Terrorist (namely muslim) cowards

[98tls]

Isn't it part of the religion to try and convert or kill all infidels?.....

For a 1000 virgins i would kill anyone.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

For a 1000 virgins i would kill anyone.

Oh and I forgot about the Terrorist Chickens in cans that explode. YOu will have to ask Ghost Bullet on that

[wbks]

Untill you get to heaven and find 1000 Male IT telecom workers waiting for you

[doc]

Easy to make comments about news items on an event far away. Be interesting to see if the opinions were the same if it happened in "Godzone"

[wbks]

It would be more like "DEATH TO THE RAG HEADS". Or something of the sort.

[NOMIS]

I wasn't the one suddenly talking about Christianity in the middle of a discussion about Islam...I'm more than happy to (re)debate the issue in the proper place, but it's been done over there already and frankly Nomis would be better just to read Wolf's posts than go round in circles (although that is, of course, the nature of the ST).

Sorry misterD but I was not talking about Christianity , I just told you I am christian,What I would like you to answer is how Fact and Fatih can not rely on eachother, If i decided to invent a pagan god in my mind I can understand . However i feel nearly all religons are based around some sort of fact as most scientists whom research religions will say you have to be a fool not to accept there is a some type of god. even explaining a "big bang"

Anyways my Christian Faith is based on the fact of a man named Jesus who walked this eath thousands of years ago who existed and preformed miracles and saved. thats my fatih all wraped up into fact. see the conflict I was actually asking you about???

In regards to IslamI realise we are talking about this and I was not trying to start a conversation on Christianity i was just carrying on what where you where saying about 2 types of religion's . Thanks

[aewilliam]

In 9/11, I lost a customer (Fiduciary Trust) and several great people myself and my team had worked with over the years.

Last week I got the call that a good friend had been murdered in the terrorist attack in India. He was a great man and had the most amasing life of anyone I know. His achievements were astonishing, but he just took it in his stride.

I strongly believe that religion is the root of most of the worlds evil. History taught me that. But these Muslim cowards take it too far. We'll never be able to stop them either. It's actually really scary.

RIP Andreas.

Andreas ain't too common a name. THankfully, the one mate I have Andreas is still up and playing around with his Facebook. Thank God for that.
And Andreas of Scootling i think is still around (just further down New North Rd...)

I have a cuz who went Mumbai ways for Singaporean Army training a week before. Thank God it was the week before....

RIP Finn's Andreas - Finn, is Andreas a New Zealander/Aucklander? Will he brought back for the funeral/burial (if one can be had...hopefully so for the family/friends...)?

[Hitcher]

There are always at least two sides to every human experience. One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. The winners get to write the history.

[tommygun]

Will there ever be a winner? The "fanatics" are taught young in all counrties. As long as there are students and teachers who teach different ideals etc.... How can the cycle ever be stopped?

[Hitcher]

Will there ever be a winner? The "fanatics" are taught young in all counrties. As long as there are students and teachers who teach different ideals etc.... How can the cycle ever be stopped?

Don't underestimate the strength of hatred that many countries in the world have against the "west" in general and the USA in particular. If I was a Palestinian who watched everything I created regularly get smashed to rubble at every time Israel's leaders felt like it, I'd probably be a tad disgruntled. And noting that that regional superpower exists largely on American aid, I'd probably not think that fondly of that land across the waves either. Violence begets violence, and nobody likes a bully.

[tommygun]

Don't underestimate the strength of hatred that many countries in the world have against the "west" in general and the USA in particular. If I was a Palestinian who watched everything I created regularly get smashed to rubble at every time Israel's leaders felt like it, I'd probably be a tad disgruntled. And noting that that regional superpower exists largely on American aid, I'd probably not think that fondly of that land across the waves either. Violence begets violence, and nobody likes a bully.

Its the strength of the hatred that leads to the teaching. I was not just stating one side as "fanatics". I said "in all countries" meaning the west also.
The west is no different to the rest. In every country there is an "extreme" element. It just the Islamic extremists are the ones getting all the press of late.

[Hitcher]

It's just the Islamic extremists are the ones getting all the press of late.

Makes for a refreshing change from the Catholics vs Protestants in Ireland.

[aewilliam]

I strongly believe that religion is the root of most of the worlds evil. History taught me that. But these Muslim cowards take it too far. We'll never be able to stop them either. It's actually really scary.
RIP Andreas.

NOMIS, respekt on the JC reprezent

However, I guess the point of forum is to debate Finn's statement if theres room for it...and the past 8 pages seem to agree.

Finn, I respect your belief in that 'religion is the root of most of the world's evil. History taught me that'.

Its good to see that the word 'evil' is still in your vocab It still is in mine, and i am glad that the company i work for hasnt been added to the list which ended with 6 foot women of some sort.
Many people may think good and evil aren't real but just part of being human. I don't subscribe to this. Humans have a distinct and REAL choice between the two.
I believe that history teaches not that 'religion is the root' but rather, 'people who ABUSE religion' is the root of much evil.
The FACT is that in societies where religion is abused (i.e. taught and practiced IN NAME, but when compared to the true commandments/laws), not allowed, or allowed to fall into dust because humans think we are our own gods...greater evils occur and there is no real basis or responsibility for doing what is right.
Word(s) in defence for the true Muslims I consider to be brothers (and their many gorjus laydeez whom i am glad AREN'T my sistas )...
These people Finn refer to (terrorists) are HYPOCRITES and therefore not aligned to the TRUTH of the true Islam religion. And these terrorists pass on these LIES of hate and violence to their descendents. This as Finn rightly says can NOT be stopped by the Americans, or anyone outside their community. True peace can ONLY be achieved through peace itself. It has to come from within their own people. The God if Islam is one of peace. He IS the same as the God of the Jewish and Christians.
In terms of religious violence, when abusers stop using their religion and most terribly, THEIR GOD, as an EXCUSE for the violence (and "Christians" and "Jews" and "Hindus" etc as well, don't get me wrong...) only then will there be peace among the religious. NOT when "there is no religion".
Then the TRUE reasons/excuses for violence will be evidenced...

[Hitcher]

True peace can ONLY be achieved through peace itself.

That would be a first. Never in the history of human existence has tension between peoples of differing world views ever been resolved by peaceful endeavours. To the victors the spoils.

[tommygun]

The don't let bombs off in London anymore so they dont make the world news. maybe the politics supressing the hatred beneath, possibly giving the newer generation a chance to learn something other than beat the snot out of the other guy or which way to point a rifle etc.

I'm sure in the long ago past Islamic, Jew and Chirstains lived together in some sort of harmony in the holy land.