The best F3 riders?

[Sully60]

In comparison to what? A modded up SV650?

Compared to a road going Sv650 there's no much in it from what I rode.

Try following a resonably well ridden pro twin spec SV out of the hairpin at Manfield and you'll see what I mean.

The road is not a place to compare the race attributes of motorcycles.

[svr]

Try following a resonably well ridden pro twin spec SV out of the hairpin at Manfield and you'll see what I mean.
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People have short memories. No protwin currently racing would hold the zxr400s of Spargo or McMurdo of 16+ years ago out of that corner. Coming off there isn't about the bike anyway.

[Deano]

#176 Neil Chappell.
Hes the man and hes in my team

Neil who ?

[Sully60]

People have short memories. No protwin currently racing would hold the zxr400s of Spargo or McMurdo of 16+ years ago out of that corner. Coming off there isn't about the bike anyway.

Yes ZXR400's or 450's like Mr Bolwells but not NC30's.

[roadracingoldfart]

Neil who ?

Look here you lardy assed bloody Lower Hutt bastard !


You know , the guy that actually listens to me and crashes a bit , surely you remember him
He may be alot closer this year matey ..... stop your a man now .

[racefactory]

Yes ZXR400's but not NC30's.

How is a NC30 different from ZXR400? same jap 60hp limits, same weights, NC30 with the wider torque of the V4...

they have the same performance figures...

just interested as to why you think that. anti honda?

[Sully60]

How is a NC30 different from ZXR400? same jap 60hp limits, same weights, NC30 with the wider torque of the V4...

they have the same performance figures...

just interested as to why you think that. anti honda?

Again you are reffering to the bikes in road going form, the NC30 is harder to get horsepower out of from that starting point.

The thread is about FORMULA 3 so therefore my earlier reference to Pro-Twin SV is also erroneous.

But my point is that the NC30 would probably not be the best F3 platform

I'm not anti Honda at all, I sold Honda parts for nearly five years and ridden many models including NC30's, they make a fantastic product and I'll say that even if it makes me sound ghey.

[Mishy]

How is a NC30 different from ZXR400? same jap 60hp limits, same weights, NC30 with the wider torque of the V4...

they have the same performance figures...

just interested as to why you think that. anti honda?

I owned and raced both of those bikes way back ('92,'93ish ?), and the Honda was kinda slow, and steered like a pig. The ZXR was not only faster in mostly stock trim, but sharper handling as well.
The Honda is just BIG money to get to go fast, and the ZXR was easily updated with a few goodies from an SP model
But that was then . . . . . . . . . . .

[roadracingoldfart]

I owned and raced both of those bikes way back ('92,'93ish ?), and the Honda was kinda slow, and steered like a pig. The ZXR was not only faster in mostly stock trim, but sharper handling as well.
The Honda is just BIG money to get to go fast, and the ZXR was easily updated with a few goodies from an SP model
But that was then . . . . . . . . . . .

Or just buy an SP model from the start !!!

Mind you the NC 23 CBR 400 is a much better bike

[CHET]

Personally i like the zxr400 but im probably a bit biased since i have one, but i must say you gotta love the single sided swingarm of the nc30 .

[svr]

Yes ZXR400's or 450's like Mr Bolwells but not NC30's.

Thanks for the lesson. The Roberts brothers had nc30's that were as fast as Mcmurdo's zxr400 i.e. faster than all but a couple of sv's around at the moment. Big $$$ sure, but really you need a wider frame of reference than just looking at what's going around today.

[lostinflyz]

just my two cents but my nc30/35 thingy will take a stock SV easy but not the hotted up ones. they are a prick to work on and you've gotta be mad keen but they could be made in to rocket ships.

http://mngforce.typepad.com/nc450vdev/nc450v-gen51.html

now all we need is lots of money, time and patience. to go fast on a old 400 the zxr's have been shown to be pretty easy things to work with and make some real snot.

[Wingnut]

just my two cents but my nc30/35 thingy will take a stock SV easy but not the hotted up ones. they are a prick to work on and you've gotta be mad keen but they could be made in to rocket ships.

http://mngforce.typepad.com/nc450vdev/nc450v-gen51.html

now all we need is lots of money, time and patience. to go fast on a old 400 the zxr's have been shown to be pretty easy things to work with and make some real snot.

How much do people really spend in this class?? That link show specs on build a $10G motor. Is it likely that people out there in NZ are spending that kinda cash on a motor for a F3 bike?

Was Andy Bolwell running a 450 when he raced in the F3???

[WarrenW]

The 80+ Hp figure mentioned there is about what a 450cc ZXR400 will do too. BUT they become very unreliable. Just ask Andy what a pig that bike of his wasn to get running right and how long it lasted.

As with any motorsport if you have the big bucks you can do almost anything to the motors and rebuild, rebuild, rebuild at will if it blows.

I know of one very fast 100cc bucket racer that was rebuilt 3 times at one meeting!

By the way one of the best riders I have seen in a long time is Chet on a standard 400 ZXR, if he had the money, he would be there and giving a lot of the "top" guys a run as he certainly has the talent. And at the moment the bike is setup pretty good too (I had to say that as I gave him a hand to do it! LOL).

Cheers

[lostinflyz]

well you can spend what you like really. the thing to remeber is there is always two ways to build a motor. it is easy to make alot of power (to a point) from a standard motor. but it will go bang alot. the other is to really start making a new motor. thats why that nc30 motor is expensive. they have custom cranks, conrods, pistons, cams and all sorts through it. but they seem to get reasonable life out of them. and they diagnose the problems that do occur and fix them rather than lifetiming them.

id be interested to know what the guys running the 400's in the UK at the isle and the like spend cause they are pulling low 70's outta 400's, not 450's.