Manslaughter charge for bloke who killed tagger

[98tls]

I think his intent was to stab the fucker, and the outcome was death. A highly likely outcome when your stabbing someone in the chest.

You bring a knife, You raise the stakes.

Lets not forget the scumbucket played the first hand by leaving home intent on fucking round with shit he didn't own,the guy raised him and he folded.......so to speak.As a continuation of said theory at least the outcome of this particular mindless scumbucket shit turns there pastimes into a game of Russian roulette.Do this there the guy will kill me,do it down the road maybe not.

[Headbanger]

Lets not forget the scumbucket played the first hand by leaving home intent on fucking round with shit he didn't own,the guy raised him and he folded.......so to speak.As a continuation of said theory at least the outcome of this particular mindless scumbucket shit turns there pastimes into a game of Russian roulette.

My point is just that the guy fucked up, fucked up big time. Raised the stakes and now everybody pays.

A severe beating would have sorted it.


My neighbours are mostly elderly, I keep an eye and an ear out, I move fuckers along when required, once that's done the issue is over.No need to stab and kill people.

[98tls]

My point is just that the guy fucked up, fucked up big time. Raised the stakes and now everybody pays.

A severe beating would have sorted it.


My neighbours are mostly elderly, I keep an eye and an ear out, I move fuckers along when required, once that's done the issue is over.No need to stab and kill people.

Yep agreed as i posted earlier.Similar to me actually in that theres a group of old folks flats across from me,was over there earlier delivering my favourite old girl a couple of freshly caught Salmon,she squeals with delight every time which alone is worth the effort.

[Hitcher]

Lets not forget the scumbucket played the first hand by leaving home intent on fucking round with shit he didn't own,the guy raised him and he folded.......so to speak.As a continuation of said theory at least the outcome of this particular mindless scumbucket shit turns there pastimes into a game of Russian roulette.Do this there the guy will kill me,do it down the road maybe not.

What a lot of nonsense. If vigilante justice meted out by red necks with short fuses is the answer, god save us all.

[98tls]

What a lot of nonsense. If vigilante justice meted out by red necks with short fuses is the answer, god save us all.

Wtf has god got to do with it?Wake up or not its no matter to me as long as its your shite they fuck around with and not mine,if it is then i will deal with it as i see fit.The redneck tag is growing tiresome, though expected on here,shows nothing more than an equally tiresome refusal to accept reality.Ironic isnt it.Tell you what,next time theres some scumbuckets down my way intent on trashing something i will send them your way and you can give them a hug,tell them its not there fault and send them on there way,chuck some change there way for a fresh can if you like.

[Hitcher]

Wtf has god got to do with it?Wake up or not its no matter to me as long as its your shite they fuck around with and not mine,if it is then i will deal with it as i see fit.The redneck tag is growing tiresome, though expected on here,shows nothing more than an equally tiresome refusal to accept reality.Ironic isnt it.Tell you what,next time theres some scumbuckets down my way intent on trashing something i will send them your way and you can give them a hug,tell them its not there fault and send them on there way,chuck some change there way for a fresh can if you like.

If the red neck tag fits...

If you want to kill people who tag your garage or front fence, irritating that may be, then I'm not going to stop you. Just don't expect any suppport from me or the justice system if you're caught.

Something equally tiresome is a childish habit of not putting a space after punctuation, particularly fullstops.

[98tls]

If the red neck tag fits...

If you want to kill people who tag your garage or front fence, irritating that may be, then I'm not going to stop you. Just don't expect any suppport from me or the justice system if you're caught.

Something equally tiresome is a childish habit of not putting a space after punctuation, particularly fullstops.

The punctuation thing at least gives me a chuckle.I dont want to kill anyone Hitch but at the same time i dont want shit i work for fucked around with and if it happens and i see it i will do something about it,doing nothing achieves nothing.Do nothing only invites worse.

[davereid]

If you want to kill people who tag your garage or front fence, irritating that may be, then I'm not going to stop you. Just don't expect any suppport from me or the justice system if you're caught.

I don't have the right to kill people who tag my fence or garage.

But I can't be sure thats all he is doing. He might just be having a pee. Or he might be breaking in to steal my V8.

But I do have the right to confront them.

Actually, I would be very uncomfortable with myself if I didn't !.

Even if they run away I have the right to chase them - if I don't, all I have done is move them, un-dealt with to your place, or my mothers place.

My intentions are both legal, and non violent.

However, I read the papers. I know that burglars, hitch-hikers and taxi-passengers regularly bash - knife - shoot people doing legal, non-violent things.

So by taking a weapon, I'm not escalating things, I'm not planning to murder them, I'm just demonstrating common sense.

[jrandom]

What this case mostly shows, IMHO, is that knives are a terrible choice of weapon for self-defence.

And, whilst I disagree with Hitcher's "I live in Ngaio, so I don't have to worry about darkies" stance on whether law-abiding citizens should be allowed to arm themselves, I find it very difficult to see how pursuing a pair of fleeing taggers for a couple of hundred metres with a lethal weapon counts as 'self defence'.

However, it's disingenuous to equate what the dude in this case did with a gang-related shooting. He armed himself, yes, but obviously the jury was convinced that he didn't go forth with the intention of killing the kid.

Hence manslaughter, not murder. And that's as it should be. There are those who hold the opinion that fuzzy-minded cockups should be punished as severely as malice aforethought, but I am not one of them.

[Skyryder]

There is an article by Tahu Potiki on this in todays (19-12)Christchurch Press.

He raises some interesting points.


Skyyrder

[Finn]

The answer, god save us all.

History tells us he's doing a terrible job to date.

[ghost]

This case raised a lot of questions, and a lot of opions, got to feel for the guy, currently the law does nothing to protect your property from damage, so do you sit back and let arseholes have a free for all or take the law into our own hands? And buy the way, they are our laws, ultimately decided and enforced by us, everyone in society, the police and justice system do not have divine right to enforce them. If more people took more interest in what these young people (shit heads) and keep them in line ( cause there fuckwit parents dont ) it might be a better place to live. Yeah he didnt deserve to die for tagging, but one questions is how does a fat middle age man run down two teenagers, they werent that wasted were they? If he didnt have the knife, and not saying its the best tool to be used here, but you grab what you can in a hurry, he might be the one dead after being assualted by two druck teens? Dont mean to sound callus but in my opion the right person walked away from this one, probably for the reason that he is more likely to feel the damage that has occured for the rest of his life compared to the "poor innocent teenager".

Heres a quick check for you, which family would you have move in next door to you?

Not saying that the family of a 14 year old who drinks and smokes dope in the middle of the day and then goes vandilizing for fun are not perfectly nice people, im sure there are those of you out there who think they are great people.

For me the question, regardless of the rights or wrongs of chasing people, carrying knifes, "taking the law into you own hands" is he should not be done for murder (obviously wasnt) he had no intention to kill him, read the trial notes. the teenager was killed by one wound approx 5 cm deep (scary aye, thats all it takes) inflicted by a knife of about 15 cm. not the work of a frenzied angry person looking to kill.
Manslaughter is more likely as he commited an act resulting in the death of one person.
The only defence for him to walk free was after both parties putting themselves in this position and they are both answerable for that, is that he feared for his life and used the miminum amount of force required to defend himself from an attack from two people.

Hard one to prove, but somehow I doubt the guy is a threat to society. Hope he's home for Christmas.

[Hitcher]

Hard one to prove, but somehow I doubt the guy is a threat to society. Hope he's home for Christmas.

The guy in question took the life of another person. There should be consequences for that.

And, in relation to the first part of your post, I'm not sure what country or even planet you live on. But New Zealand certainly has laws that relate to property rights and the protection of these. We also have a police force and a justice system to enforce these laws which, interestingly, often carry sterner penalties than crimes against people.

[ghost]

The guy in question took the life of another person. There should be consequences for that.

And, in relation to the first part of your post, I'm not sure what country or even planet you live on. But New Zealand certainly has laws that relate to property rights and the protection of these. We also have a police force and a justice system to enforce these laws which, interestingly, often carry sterner penalties than crimes against people.

Simple fella, if you take a life while you are defending yourself, ie, someone breaks into your home, armed, threatens to kill your family or yourself, if your use such force as you deem nessicary under the cirmumstances to defend yourself and the guy dies, the consequences are you feel bad for removing said person from the gene pool. Nothing more.

And the point about the first bit, is you are entitle to take the law into your own hands, but not to the extent of breaking them, once again, if you witness someone robbing a dairy and you pursue said someone and detain them (minimum force) then you are not breaking the law. The laws in New Zealand are not the sole responsibility of the police or justice system.

And I do live in New Zealand, I live in a part of New Zealaland that if you saw someone breaking into or causing damage to property, and if you then relied on the police force or justice system to "stop" this, you might be waiting along time. The boys (girls) in blue are a bit streached at times and cant always be there.

Must come and check out your planet, must be utopia..

[Hitcher]

Must come and check out your planet, must be utopia.

It's Planet Reality Check, actually. Here people actually get on with life in a reasonable manner, rather than big noting on the Internet about how it's their right to bash the crap out of anybody who pisses on their letterbox, cuts them off in traffic or both.