Wellington Wednesday Night Cruisy Summer Rides -- 2008/09

[Insanity_rules]

No.

But it does help if they walk away ok. Some would say it is part of the learning process. To err is human and we often learn the best lessons from our mistakes.

But, riding beyond your limits, wheelies and stunts are neither big nor clever.

However, I am a big fan of personal responsibility also.

This man speaketh the truth. I could only comment from the last wednesday ride I went on (which was the 17th Dec) but I thought the lesson was learnt quite well. Poor Ol Sam comin to grief was a reminder to us all to ride to our abilities. I'm not trying to put you down at all Sam as I'm really glad you walked away and yours was more commuter tires and a greasy spot.

My Buddy (who had his L's for two weeks) got a real eye opener and got some better gear. Still keen on the Wednesday ride too.

[Pedrostt500]

To much crying over spilt milk here, we all know that there is a Danger factor in riding our bikes, its part of the attraction. if you wanted to be safe and wraped in cotten wool, buy a cage, or dont leave home and stay hanging off ya mommas tit.
Ok its up to each individual rider to check that their ride is in rideable condition, the law of the land requires your bike to have a current W.O.F and Reg, I dont care if you dont have these, thats your choice. What I do expect from fellow riders is that their bike is in rideable condition, ie lights working for night rides, breaks in fair working condition, tyres that are suitable for the type of riding, not baby Butt bald or full MX tyres for open road riding.
If ya rock up wearing shorts, vest & jandels well I don't care, I wont feel a thing when you lose your skin, though a jacket is better than no jacket, and any pair of gloves are better than non at all, and a pair of old work boots will help you keep your toes, but propper bike gear is worth the money spent.
If you can make it to the duck pond in one piece, and feel confident in a moderate ride over the hill or to any given destination, of the day, then there is no reason you can't come on the ride, though if you let the group know about your exsperience level then some allowances can be made for your ability, but you are still responsible to ride with in your own ability.
As far as it goes with binning your bike, well thats part of motorcycling life, its going to happen at least once to each of us, just learn from it.

[driftn]

I figured it out tonight. We went up Piecock and then around Greys road. I was having some fun on the hill and round the inlet, if you know what I mean. Once we got into the 50 zone and slowed down to a "cruisy" speed behind a car going about 40kph I binned my bike. So its the all this cruising thats causing the problems.

Hey man whos side are you on? Giving TRTNR another victim

[Weaver]

Hey man whos side are you on? Giving TRTNR another victim

Most bins wins

[Drogen Omen]

To much crying over spilt milk here, we all know that there is a Danger factor in riding our bikes, its part of the attraction. if you wanted to be safe and wraped in cotten wool, buy a cage, or dont leave home and stay hanging off ya mommas tit.
Ok its up to each individual rider to check that their ride is in rideable condition, the law of the land requires your bike to have a current W.O.F and Reg, I dont care if you dont have these, thats your choice. What I do expect from fellow riders is that their bike is in rideable condition, ie lights working for night rides, breaks in fair working condition, tyres that are suitable for the type of riding, not baby Butt bald or full MX tyres for open road riding.
If ya rock up wearing shorts, vest & jandels well I don't care, I wont feel a thing when you lose your skin, though a jacket is better than no jacket, and any pair of gloves are better than non at all, and a pair of old work boots will help you keep your toes, but propper bike gear is worth the money spent.
If you can make it to the duck pond in one piece, and feel confident in a moderate ride over the hill or to any given destination, of the day, then there is no reason you can't come on the ride, though if you let the group know about your exsperience level then some allowances can be made for your ability, but you are still responsible to ride with in your own ability.
As far as it goes with binning your bike, well thats part of motorcycling life, its going to happen at least once to each of us, just learn from it.

I couldn't have said it any better.

If you choose to ride without proper gear please make sure you crash behind me so i don't have to see your skin skid marks all over the road.

I have had lots of accidents off road on my dirt bike but going 80 on dirt is different to going 80 on the road... on the dirt you have a relatively soft landing...

I got all my experience from Mountain biking and then adapted to the differences on my dirt bike. I also know the limits of my bike ride accordingly.

I find because of that experience have confidence in my riding ability... my bike just doesn't go fast enough or have quick acceleration.

JUST MAKE SURE YOU ALL RIDE SAFE AND TAKE NOTE OF YOUR OWN ABILITIES

[driftn]

Most bins wins

Yes but we want TCWNR to win this one so keep it up right next time aye.




Glad to here your ok though mate its never nice getting a ph call saying ....... crashed.

[sels1]

Ive been a regular on the Wed nite ride since its inception and occasionally turn out on the Thurs one too. The format of the rides hasnt changed much in that time, and if anything the Wed nite ride has got tamer. There seems to be more bins this season than in the previous ones combined. And the FACT is they are fairy evenly spread between L platers and fully licenced riders. (over the two nights)Why? well talk to the individuals involved - to err is human and we can all make mistakes.
It is NOT the fault of the person who suggests the destination, the person riding at the front, or the tail-end-charlie, or anyone else except the bloke who fails to keep his bike upright - and the ones I've spoken to happily acknowledge that.

What I havent enjoyed this year is the extra whinging and moaning particularly from those who dont participate or have any positive input to the ride.
This is not a company, a club or the military. there are no managers or administrators, there is nobody responsible for organisation - and thats the way most of us like it - we get on our bikes to escape that sort of crap.
We operate by consensus. Be responsible for your own actions.

PS>If you dont put your expectations on others, you wont need to throw a tantrum went they dont meet your expectations. Organising KBers is like herding cats, the sooner some folk learn that the better.
As you were.....

[ajturbo]

You guys are having the exact same issues as we are (Chch Rides).

Its not our learners crashing, its our more experienced older riders who think they are great riding outside there abilities or doing dumb things.

All the best in sorting it out!!!

the more i crash.. the more experienced i get....

[Trudes]

I just received an Xmas card from my cousin who also rides and he wrote "Remember that most motorcycle accidents occur due to failure of the nut that connects the handlebars to the seat"
Thought it was kinda appropriate here!! Ride safe kids, and enjoy.

[James Deuce]

Ive been a regular on the Wed nite ride since its inception and occasionally turn out on the Thurs one too. The format of the rides hasnt changed much in that time, and if anything the Wed nite ride has got tamer. There seems to be more bins this season than in the previous ones combined. And the FACT is they are fairy evenly spread between L platers and fully licenced riders. (over the two nights)Why? well talk to the individuals involved - to err is human and we can all make mistakes.
It is NOT the fault of the person who suggests the destination, the person riding at the front, or the tail-end-charlie, or anyone else except the bloke who fails to keep his bike upright - and the ones I've spoken to happily acknowledge that.

What I havent enjoyed this year is the extra whinging and moaning particularly from those who dont participate or have any positive input to the ride.
This is not a company, a club or the military. there are no managers or administrators, there is nobody responsible for organisation - and thats the way most of us like it - we get on our bikes to escape that sort of crap.
We operate by consensus. Be responsible for your own actions.

PS>If you dont put your expectations on others, you wont need to throw a tantrum went they dont meet your expectations. Organising KBers is like herding cats, the sooner some folk learn that the better.
As you were.....

That there is entirely the problem. Sooner or later one of these anarchic little disasters is going to hurt or kill someone because people refuse to acknowledge that riding in a group is a quite different to riding by yourself, or with mates you've ridden with for years. A mixed group of n00bs, just graduated from n00bs, and crusties is asking for it. There's distinct attitudes to riding within the sub-groups that aren't compatible.

I used to participate, I used to have positive input, but there's absolutely nothing positive about a roaming group of the unlearned and the unwilling to learn.

Much safer to just stay away.

The format of the Wednesday one has changed dramatically, simply because Bruce isn't around to keep it sorted. The chat at the carpark is good stuff, the pub is always good but the ride itself gives me the willies.

I'd like to know who said falling off a motorcycle is compulsory. That attitude is ridiculous. People need to actually take pride in staying on, not falling off. Motorcycling must be the only form of transport where a dramatic display of incompetence is not only lauded, it's welcomed.

[Kendog]

As far as it goes with binning your bike, well thats part of motorcycling life, its going to happen at least once to each of us, just learn from it.

Why do people keep using this tired old line. It's a bullshit attempt to justify peoples inability to ride to the conditions/their ability/the bikes ability etc etc etc.

That there is entirely the problem. Sooner or later one of these anarchic little disasters is going to hurt or kill someone because people refuse to acknowledge that riding in a group is a quite different to riding by yourself, or with mates you've ridden with for years. A mixed group of n00bs, just graduated from n00bs, and crusties is asking for it. There's distinct attitudes to riding within the sub-groups that aren't compatible.

I used to participate, I used to have positive input, but there's absolutely nothing positive about a roaming group of the unlearned and the unwilling to learn.

Much safer to just stay away.

The format of the Wednesday one has changed dramatically, simply because Bruce isn't around to keep it sorted. The chat at the carpark is good stuff, the pub is always good but the ride itself gives me the willies.

I'd like to know who said falling off a motorcycle is compulsory. That attitude is ridiculous. People need to actually take pride in staying on, not falling off. Motorcycling must be the only form of transport where a dramatic display of incompetence is not only lauded, it's welcomed.

That sums up perfectly why I don't go to the Wednesday rides any more.

[davebullet]

Maybe we need a Tuesday night ride to start afresh? I mean we have another 4 days up our sleeve to re-invent and give it a go (since sunday, wed and thurs are already taken). If that fails, we can either recycle the days, or for a clean slate I'll campaign for more days of the week to be added.

[sinfull]

Maybe we need a Tuesday night ride to start afresh? I mean we have another 4 days up our sleeve to re-invent and give it a go (since sunday, wed and thurs are already taken). If that fails, we can either recycle the days, or for a clean slate I'll campaign for more days of the week to be added.

What happened to the carpark training stuff i seen/read about when i first got here a year or so back ? Wasn't someone doing a bit of coaching/training
in the hutt some where ?

[Fatjim]

Ive been a regular on the Wed nite ride since its inception and occasionally turn out on the Thurs one too. The format of the rides hasnt changed much in that time, and if anything the Wed nite ride has got tamer. There seems to be more bins this season than in the previous ones combined. And the FACT is they are fairy evenly spread between L platers and fully licenced riders. (over the two nights)Why? well talk to the individuals involved - to err is human and we can all make mistakes.
It is NOT the fault of the person who suggests the destination, the person riding at the front, or the tail-end-charlie, or anyone else except the bloke who fails to keep his bike upright - and the ones I've spoken to happily acknowledge that.

What I havent enjoyed this year is the extra whinging and moaning particularly from those who dont participate or have any positive input to the ride.
This is not a company, a club or the military. there are no managers or administrators, there is nobody responsible for organisation - and thats the way most of us like it - we get on our bikes to escape that sort of crap.
We operate by consensus. Be responsible for your own actions.

PS>If you dont put your expectations on others, you wont need to throw a tantrum went they dont meet your expectations. Organising KBers is like herding cats, the sooner some folk learn that the better.
As you were.....

I think you'll remember then that this was a mentoring ride. We didn't make a point of riding in groups, we had a front and a rear. With the more experienced helping the noobs get to the top and back.

You talk to some of the guys/gals who started as noobs when this ride was going 2 years ago. How many of them remember other riders mentoring them by riding with them in 2's, or maybe 3's at most.

I wouldn't want to ride as a group on Wednesday. Thursday with experienced riders gives me the shivers enough.

[Trudes]

Just out of interest, what would the general ratio of L platers to experienced mentor type riders on TCWNR be? Does there need to be some more "seniors" turning up? Or are there generally not that many newer riders coming?
I would hate to see this ride disappear completely because of some moaning and wingeing on here about a few minor accidents, that we all know that even the carefullest of us can still have.
It's been a while since I've been able to come along to a TCWNR, so can't comment on people's riding on the ride or anyone's attitude or the organisation etc, but like all things, it seems to have progressed and changed by the sounds of things.
Maybe some of the people that are concerned about this ride should turn up to a few Wednesdays and offer some words of wisdom, offer to be TEC etc and get this ride back on track if you think it's fallen off, before more people do.