Racing safety issues

[malcy25]

what amazes me and ALL the overseas races i talked to while ... overseas...
was the fact that joe bloggs can BUY a race license and a new F1 race bike and enter ANY F1 race in NZ with NO experience.....
hell even i could do that... would YOU want ME racing in that class???

Unfortunately I don't have my current (semi current as I'm still waiting for the new one I paid for 5 months back and the latest one is "packed" for racing) MNZ rule book with me, but the same rule that states (did state in the one I have!), that a rider has to have competed in 3 lower level event for national or street meeting events. So technically you can't rock up to a national Meeting with your spankers Prod Superbike as your first, second or third event.

Sean: Okay so you nearly got taken out which would have been a bugger given you are just climbing back uop the ladder. However Did you talk to anyone about it like the MNZ steward? As they can follow shit like that up with a possibility he/she will be watched at the next event or other action as deemed necessary can be taken so they don't do it again? may seem like a wet bus ticket, BUT, getting ramdom danerous shit on record means that repetition will get noticed.

Civil Licences required: I know a couple of riders who rode at Paeroa a few years back and didn't have a civil motorcycle licence. Lost the MNZ one for a number of months when they got caught.

Happy new year folks.

[Shaun]

Did ya stay all day at any of them, or toss your toys and bugger off 'cos you could have run them better?

And do track days count as experience for all those of us less worthy to be on the track than you? Plenty of guys ride like muppets at them and think they are race ready when perhaps they are not.

Can I have a show of hands from all those people who I've "nearly taken out" as you say happened to you Shaun. If I'm gonna try something stupid to get round a bend faster, I invariably do it on the outside so as not to endanger others, that wouldn't be a show of experience and forethought would it?

Why are you taking this so personally and being so insulting Drew?

[Shaun]

[QUOTE=malcy25;1873537]Unfortunately I don't have my current (semi current as I'm still waiting for the new one I paid for 5 months back and the latest one is "packed" for racing) MNZ rule book with me, but the same rule that states (did state in the one I have!), that a rider has to have competed in 3 lower level event for national or street meeting events. So technically you can't rock up to a national Meeting with your spankers Prod Superbike as your first, second or third event.

Sean: Okay so you nearly got taken out which would have been a bugger given you are just climbing back uop the ladder. However Did you talk to anyone about it like the MNZ steward? As they can follow shit like that up with a possibility he/she will be watched at the next event or other action as deemed necessary can be taken so they don't do it again? may seem like a wet bus ticket, BUT, getting ramdom danerous shit on record means that repetition will get noticed.

To aswnser the above question "YES" the move was very silly and dangerous

[Drew]

Why are you taking this so personally and being so insulting Drew?

Dunno really, your first post just irked me, my reply was undoubtedly over the top and pointless. But dont try playin the innocent here, your reply was as insulting as anything I've said.

Fuck it, who cares anyway?

I've got a race bike for this season, and I'll be out there havin fun.

Peace out.

[malcy25]

To aswnser the above question "YES" the move was very silly and dangerous

Sean

Is that:
1) yes the move was silly and dangerous
or
2) yes I reported it so the guys log book could be noted or the MNZ steward could issue an infringment notice (yes they exist), of which a copy will be given to the rider and one goes to MNZ so they can record the fact. If they get another serious incident or near miss reported again

Cos' if you don't report bad or dangerous riding, you are passively endorsing it by letting them get away with it. They do it again and you haven't reported it, have you helped or hindered the potential for it to be corrected so someone doesn't get hurt later?

As much as the riders bitch about MNZ and the stewards, they are there for this sort of stuff. But they can't everywhere and they can't see everything to try and catch it so there will always be a reliance of the riders themselves to bring stuff to the their attention to be investigated.

As a side note to get a race licence in the UK nowdays I hear each applicant has a one day course taken at the ACU offices in Rugby by Clive Horton - 70's / 80's GP and TT rider with a multi choice test at the end.

As much as you can test for "knowledge" before a licvence is granted, testing for skills and common sense on the track is not so easy....

[Shaun]

Sean

Is that:
1) yes the move was silly and dangerous
or
2) yes I reported it so the guys log book could be noted or the MNZ steward could issue an infringment notice (yes they exist), of which a copy will be given to the rider and one goes to MNZ so they can record the fact. If they get another serious incident or near miss reported again

Cos' if you don't report bad or dangerous riding, you are passively endorsing it by letting them get away with it. They do it again and you haven't reported it, have you helped or hindered the potential for it to be corrected so someone doesn't get hurt later?

As much as the riders bitch about MNZ and the stewards, they are there for this sort of stuff. But they can't everywhere and they can't see everything to try and catch it so there will always be a reliance of the riders themselves to bring stuff to the their attention to be investigated.

As a side note to get a race licence in the UK nowdays I hear each applicant has a one day course taken at the ACU offices in Rugby by Clive Horton - 70's / 80's GP and TT rider with a multi choice test at the end.

As much as you can test for "knowledge" before a licvence is granted, testing for skills and common sense on the track is not so easy....

The rider i have mentioned, was spoken to on the day by officualls, that is all I know about it

[CHOPPA]

Like it was done in the past before transponders. Knowledgable people sat down and looked at entry lists, previous experience on the cemetery and other circuits, machine capabilities and set grids to suit. There were certainally less grizzles and problems as there are nowadays.
The whole object is to spread ensure a safe passage through the first corner and then let the race sort itself out.
There have been at least two seroius incidents on the first corner in recent years where front row candidates have had a bad practice and pushed there way through only to cause carnage and also the weather issues in 2007 which saw riders on incorrect tyres after a sudden downpour and while were faced with the decision to risk life and limb to go out and qualify on unsuitable equipment or miss out. This would not have been an issue if the grids were set before the meeting.
Check out all the comments on paeroa's grids this year, they were posted the day before, not a patch on those after Wanganui only weeks before
Its all about safety in the end

Na timed qualifying and no special rules for anyone!

[Shaun]

Dunno really, your first post just irked me, my reply was undoubtedly over the top and pointless. But dont try playin the innocent here, your reply was as insulting as anything I've said.

Fuck it, who cares anyway?

I've got a race bike for this season, and I'll be out there havin fun.

Peace out.

Fare enough, I guess 2 hotheads on the same internet is gunna cause clashes some times eh

[malcy25]

The rider i have mentioned, was spoken to on the day by officualls, that is all I know about it

Cheers Shaun, thanks for confirming that.

[White trash]

Shaun.

I've read, reread, then re-reread this thread. Mate, I don't aggree. Sorry.

The rider that blatantly pulled out on you, was a non thinking fuckwit. We've all had the pleasure of racing with them. I don't think any number of races in the twelve months leading up to the event would have changed his split second decision to rejoin then and there.

For such a blatant disregard for the saftey of his feloow competitors, he should have suffered a twelve month licence ban and a two year suspension from street racing in New Zealand. A "talking to" does not suffice.

In regards to whether or not you need a certain amount of meetings in those twelve months leading to an event, I don't think so. Entries would fall, promoters would lose money, the events would die. Love him hate him (I know you're not mates ), Lance Lowe has not competed for two years now due to injury, neither has Pete McDonald. I for one would have no problem sharing the track with these two competitors as they both know how to race, without endagering their fellow competitors.

[slowpoke]

Shaun.

I've read, reread, then re-reread this thread. Mate, I don't aggree. Sorry.

The rider that blatantly pulled out on you, was a non thinking fuckwit. We've all had the pleasure of racing with them. I don't think any number of races in the twelve months leading up to the event would have changed his split second decision to rejoin then and there.

For such a blatant disregard for the saftey of his feloow competitors, he should have suffered a twelve month licence ban and a two year suspension from street racing in New Zealand. A "talking to" does not suffice.

In regards to whether or not you need a certain amount of meetings in those twelve months leading to an event, I don't think so. Entries would fall, promoters would lose money, the events would die. Love him hate him (I know you're not mates ), Lance Lowe has not competed for two years now due to injury, neither has Pete McDonald. I for one would have no problem sharing the track with these two competitors as they both know how to race, without endagering their fellow competitors.

Cor, you're a hard bastard Jimmy!

As you say, it's a split second decision, a bad one, and he is probably still ashamed of it. From Jay's Teretonga report it sounds like Dennis Charlett did something similar, would you send him to the naughty seat for 12 months?

We are all human, and all make crap decisions in the heat of the moment. Generally lessons are learned (an official: "What the fuck were you thinkin, pal?!" helps here) and we don't repeat them. Obviously if the lessons aren't learned and mistakes are repeated then I'd fully endorse the "Mair Punishment Protocol".

These problems can also be a learning for other riders, with the issue highlighted to riders DURING THE MEETING. It wouldn't take 5 minutes to get all riders to a quick briefing and have a major issue highlighted. Guarantee it wouldn't happen again that meeting. As it is, if I wasn't on KB I wouldn't even know it had happened.

[Shaun]

Cor, you're a hard bastard Jimmy!


These problems can also be a learning for other riders, with the issue highlighted to riders DURING THE MEETING. It wouldn't take 5 minutes to get all riders to a quick briefing and have a major issue highlighted. Guarantee it wouldn't happen again that meeting. As it is, if I wasn't on KB I wouldn't even know it had happened.

You hit the nail on the head Dude, well done

This site is full of good and wanta be good riders, the reason behind my post was to MAKE some think about what they are doing, we are responsible forourself and every other rider on the track

[j-lo69]

in regards to civil licsence your lerners is classed as a full with restrictions. mnz ruleing is not up to date with the new civil rules. an to the fact of just turning up an riding after not riding an thinking its ok is a load of bull!!. the guys out in front are there 4 a reason and when they come across guys wobbling in practice an laped riders in races its bloody dangerous because there race craft is unpredictable an some times very eraxtic. the amount of times iv seen guys come togerther with slower unexperenced or rusty riders resulting in near misses or big crashes makes my spine tingle. this whole shell be right attitude has gota b stoped an the raceing taken more seriously!!!!

[j-lo69]

Shaun.

I've read, reread, then re-reread this thread. Mate, I don't aggree. Sorry.

The rider that blatantly pulled out on you, was a non thinking fuckwit. We've all had the pleasure of racing with them. I don't think any number of races in the twelve months leading up to the event would have changed his split second decision to rejoin then and there.

For such a blatant disregard for the saftey of his feloow competitors, he should have suffered a twelve month licence ban and a two year suspension from street racing in New Zealand. A "talking to" does not suffice.

In regards to whether or not you need a certain amount of meetings in those twelve months leading to an event, I don't think so. Entries would fall, promoters would lose money, the events would die. Love him hate him (I know you're not mates ), Lance Lowe has not competed for two years now due to injury, neither has Pete McDonald. I for one would have no problem sharing the track with these two competitors as they both know how to race, without endagering their fellow competitors.

your the dumbest racer i know mabyes thats explains y you cant keep the bike up right for more than 2 races. have to give you one thing tho your the fasest man in the pits

[Drew]

the guys out in front are there 4 a reason and when they come across guys wobbling in practice an laped riders in races its bloody dangerous because there race craft is unpredictable an some times very eraxtic. the amount of times iv seen guys come togerther with slower unexperenced or rusty riders resulting in near misses or big crashes makes my spine tingle. this whole shell be right attitude has gota b stoped an the raceing taken more seriously!!!!

Fast does not mean experienced, all the experienced guys I've watched tend to use lap traffic, and do well to predict the next move of slower guys. So your point here is kinda bullshit.

your the dumbest racer i know mabyes thats explains y you cant keep the bike up right for more than 2 races. have to give you one thing tho your the fasest man in the pits

His diction/gramma certainly implies he's not as thick as you come across.