Blind man assaulted in Chch

[samgab]

Oh yeah. We have tough guys in NZ beating on and robbing the blind, disabled, and young females.

It's a lovely development. What's next?
I was trying to think of something worse, like beating up babies, but unfortunately that is happening too.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...553609&ref=rss

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=91131

"A 28-year-old man has been charged over an assault on a 10-week-old baby in Lower Hutt.

Detective Senior Sergeant Scott Cooper said the baby was taken by ambulance to hospital early yesterday suffering bruising and a possible head injury.

The baby remained under observation in hospital today.

Mr Cooper said a man was charged with assault on a child and was due to appear in Lower Hutt District Court on Thursday.

Police would not say whether the man charged was the baby's father."

[mashman]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...553609&ref=rss

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=91131

"A 28-year-old man has been charged over an assault on a 10-week-old baby in Lower Hutt.

Detective Senior Sergeant Scott Cooper said the baby was taken by ambulance to hospital early yesterday suffering bruising and a possible head injury.

The baby remained under observation in hospital today.

Mr Cooper said a man was charged with assault on a child and was due to appear in Lower Hutt District Court on Thursday.

Police would not say whether the man charged was the baby's father."

What a total and utter bastard!!! Fuck him up, make an example of him, how many babies have suffered (that we know about) over the last year...

Judge: "Guilty!!! My sympathies to all family members affected by this despicable act. This sort of behaviour cannot be tolerated, take him down please and await further instruction. Can a member of the offenders family rise please. Your choices are as follows: $100 for a bullet and $50 administrative charge (we've already got this bit finally) or you may have him cremated alive in which case it's just the administrative fee!!!"

[Drunken Monkey]

Bring back Corporal Punishment
Bring back Capital Punishment

Problem solved.

Sure. Anything you'd like to add to that? Prohibition worked too, didn't it? Perhaps you'd like to step up censorship here as well? 10pm curfews? No travel outside your town without the correct papers?

As much as some people may deserve a whipping, the cane or the firing squad I think you'll find these certainly won't "solve" the problem at all, otherwise we would imagine places like Texas to be the safest, most crime-free place in the world; this is obivously not the case.

On the other hand, it certainly stops repeat offending...

[Drunken Monkey]

Additionally, I challenge all supporters of the death penalty who haven't done so yet to go to a country where it is legal, then sit in the public gallery (where applicable) and witness a few death sentances get carried out. The reality is most people don't have the stomach for it, which is why most civilised countries abolished such penalties. Remember it was common place even 80 years ago.

[samgab]

Sure. Anything you'd like to add to that? Prohibition worked too, didn't it? Perhaps you'd like to step up censorship here as well? 10pm curfews? No travel outside your town without the correct papers?

As much as some people may deserve a whipping, the cane or the firing squad I think you'll find these certainly won't "solve" the problem at all, otherwise we would imagine places like Texas to be the safest, most crime-free place in the world; this is obivously not the case.

On the other hand, it certainly stops repeat offending...

So what is the solution?
What is to be done with people who beat up defenseless babies, the blind, the disabled, children, and such?

We don't want to pay for their upkeep in jail...
We don't want them in our communities...

Maybe anyone who does this sort of thing should be dumped from a helicopter onto a remote prison island and forgotten about forever.
No further cost to the tax payers, and no further threat to the community.
If they want to fight, make little gangs, kill each other, or whatever on that island, that's all fine.

[mashman]

Maybe anyone who does this sort of thing should be dumped from a helicopter onto a remote prison island and forgotten about forever.
No further cost to the tax payers, and no further threat to the community.
If they want to fight, make little gangs, kill each other, or whatever on that island, that's all fine.

They tried that and ended up with Australia...

It's like Drunken says, noone has the stomach for it, noone wants the responsibility for it, especially if they get it wrong... I'm all for the offending limb being removed... let's you know what they've been up to and to steer clear of them... but in clear cut cases, kill them.

I'll happily go and watch someone dying, i've seen those i've loved dye before my eyes... i'm pretty sure watching a stranger accused of atrocious crimes being executed isn't going to stress me too much... and if I know the intimate circumstances of the case i'll happily pull the lever, trigger, switch... and i'm sure i'm not alone...

[samgab]

They tried that and ended up with Australia...

It's like Drunken says, noone has the stomach for it, noone wants the responsibility for it, especially if they get it wrong... I'm all for the offending limb being removed... let's you know what they've been up to and to steer clear of them... but in clear cut cases, kill them.

I'll happily go and watch someone dying, i've seen those i've loved dye before my eyes... i'm pretty sure watching a stranger accused of atrocious crimes being executed isn't going to stress me too much... and if I know the intimate circumstances of the case i'll happily pull the lever, trigger, switch...

Eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth?
Great, except what if I get accused of rape, but they get the wrong guy, and cut off my penis, based on a mistaken identity or false claim?
That would suck.

[mashman]

Eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth?
Great, except what if I get accused of rape, but they get the wrong guy, and cut off my penis, based on a mistaken identity or false claim?
That would suck.

Nope. that's not the true meaning of the phrase an "eye for an eye etc...". I'd just like to see the correct punishment administered for the crime, no malice, purely logic... so if you did rape my dad and they get someone for it, I would imagine that they'll check for all sort of fluids in the offending area and not get the wrong person...

Don't get me wrong, I have an idea that justice is sometimes abused and people get set up,. I'm damn sure there are people who have been wrongly accused who are serving life sentences, or worse have been executed... I strive for the idea of the greater good, for the introduction of sodium pentathol (if it really is a true serum), lie detector tests, the basis that you are guilty until proven innocent for crimes of a serious nature... You're not going to win all of the time, but if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time now you're gonna suffer 20 years of watching your family tear their lives apart over a crime you didn't commit... Personally i'd rather they pout me 6 feet under and let my family and the families of those affected to get on with their lives... They call it social conscience i think...

[Drunken Monkey]

... for the introduction of sodium pentathol (if it really is a true serum),...

Yes, it's sodium thiopental. It doesn't really work as a "truth serum" per se, it just makes the subject highly suggestable. What you are told could still be rubbish, additionally someone under the influence of sodium thiopental could admit to anything.

... lie detector tests,...

The polygraph can be beaten and can be beaten with only a few minutes training. There are some additional measures polygraph testers take these days to help minimise you giving them rubbish results, but again the reality is the test is rubbish in enough cases that it's unreliable.

A more reliable method is using film to show changes in facial expressions on the micro scale; it takes you about 0.2 seconds to override your natural facial response and overlay it with a forced one.

Both of the methods are bollocks when used against expert liars; you can train yourself (or be trained to) to go through a sequence of events in your mind which are fictional over and over to the point they move from your imagination center (right brain) to your recall center (left brain), thus overriding your physical response to the 'lie'. A lot of 'scientific' testing on lying usually overlooks that part of lying and is typically employed where people have neither time to prepare to lie or don't believe the lie themselves.

But hey, lying's a whole other thread on it's own. I participated in a thesis on lying, it was very educational...

Samgab, I don't have a solution, I just know state sanctioned execution is rife with problems. Let alone executing an innocent (which is undeniably unacceptable).

[HenryDorsetCase]

Eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth?
Great, except what if I get accused of rape, but they get the wrong guy, and cut off my penis, based on a mistaken identity or false claim?
That would suck.

the only thing to do would be go the whole hog, have a full sex change, hormone therapy, boobies etc etc, and stay at home playing with your new boobies all day every day. you know it makes sense.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Additionally, I challenge all supporters of the death penalty who haven't done so yet to go to a country where it is legal, then sit in the public gallery (where applicable) and witness a few death sentances get carried out. The reality is most people don't have the stomach for it, which is why most civilised countries abolished such penalties. Remember it was common place even 80 years ago.

not sure that follows TBH. We are consumers, used to paying others to do things for us, you know, Jims mowing mows our lawns, Jims toilet cleaners comes and cleans our toilets, Jims babysitting looks after the kids. So Jims Humane state run execution services isnt that big a deal. If I have contracted someone to look after that shit for me, then I dont have to worry about it no more.

[Drunken Monkey]

Hmmm, interesting. I would have to respond that your argument would be indicative of a point-of-view in where human lives are reduced to that of any other consumable. Shall we put a dollar value on that then? Then we can trade people's lives as property between those that can afford to do so. Reeks of slavery to me. Although I have contemplated what a good life I could have had as a rich land owner with a few slaves of my own to work the fields, being on the other side of the proverbial stick wouldn't be much fun imho. But if buying peace of mind works for some, so be it.

[Patrick]

Additionally, I challenge all supporters of the death penalty who haven't done so yet to go to a country where it is legal, then sit in the public gallery (where applicable) and witness a few death sentances get carried out. The reality is most people don't have the stomach for it, which is why most civilised countries abolished such penalties. Remember it was common place even 80 years ago.

Picked up train diced people...

Scraped up motorcyclist brains...

Guarded multiple murder victims, killed with a hammer and knives....

Picked up leftovers of a shotgun under the chin...

Worked in the Auckland Mortuary....

Piece of piss.... Re-introduce it! Where do I sign up?

Hmmm, interesting. I would have to respond that your argument would be indicative of a point-of-view in where human lives are reduced to that of any other consumable. Shall we put a dollar value on that then?

$80,000 per year to keep the scum alive in the Mt Eden or Paremoremo Hilton.....

[mashman]

Yes, it's sodium thiopental. It doesn't really work as a "truth serum" per se, it just makes the subject highly suggestable.

sort of smilar too but quicker than sleep deprivation?

The polygraph can be beaten and can be beaten with only a few minutes training. There are some additional measures polygraph testers take these days to help minimise you giving them rubbish results, but again the reality is the test is rubbish in enough cases that it's unreliable.

I had heard that and I suppose once the lawyers get in on the act they'll bring in their specialist to train the "criminal" in how to beat it...

I'm just fed up with it and the fact that as things stand nothing can be done to deter pricks like this...

[mashman]

Hmmm, interesting. I would have to respond that your argument would be indicative of a point-of-view in where human lives are reduced to that of any other consumable. Shall we put a dollar value on that then?

This is already the case! As mentioned above we all do jobs, we put a dollar value on the cost of completing that job in terms of time and materials used... where's the difference? we're not trading in human lives, we're ending them due to breach of contract i.e. the law...