Booze laws not working. Shame drivers and crush cars, say police

**EatOrBeEaten** · 16th February 2009, 17:51

Originally Posted by renegade master

psa ?

Public Service Announcement. They're bad for it in the seat of empire, but out here it feels like every single advert is one. Kinda lose effectiveness after a while maybe?

**Genestho** · 16th February 2009, 17:58

Originally Posted by Skyryder

And that's it in a nutshell. It's all political postering. Most boy racer cars will be owned by the finance companies. The very people who voted for the Nats and ACT. Has Douglas or Hide come out in favour of this? Don't think so.

It will never happen.

Skyryder

Ahhhh but I have an email of support from Hide which disputes that assumption

**Genestho** · 16th February 2009, 18:04

Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten

Public Service Announcement. They're bad for in the seat of empire, but out here it feels like every single advert is one. Kinda lose effectiveness after a while maybe?

I agree - Very uneffective and old news for the box watchers...+1

A study conducted out of Aus, back when the Bloody Idiot billboards were on the side of the Highways, shows drunk drivers - particularly repeat offenders -put the foot down, insulted that they should be called a bloody idiot, which ironically fits the anti-social/anti -authorative profile that US and NZ recidivist pychological studies show, is a tendancy shared.

**Grahameeboy** · 16th February 2009, 18:11

I don't agree with crushing the cars...as Hitcher says all sorts of issues.

Why can't the Govt just introduce a lower limit...say enough that 1 bottle will put you over the limit...instead they keep the current limit and hope to change attitudes...knock knock..is anyone there.

Repeat offenders...most people who are caught for the first time are "repeat offenders".

By keeping the current limit you are effectively giving people a choice to take a chance...like the Govt gets Gst on motorbikes that can exceed the speed limit...daft.

If you limit to 1 bottle of beer then this would not give people much of a choice and would change attitude's...

**Genestho** · 16th February 2009, 18:20

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

I don't agree with crushing the cars...as Hitcher says all sorts of issues.

Why can't the Govt just introduce a lower limit...say enough that 1 bottle will put you over the limit...instead they keep the current limit and hope to change attitudes...knock knock..is anyone there.
There will be a lowering of the limit, of that I have no doubt!!!!!
Repeat offenders...most people who are caught for the first time are "repeat offenders". Agreed, except they have no business cultivating multiple convictions at the cost of innocent road users lives

By keeping the current limit you are effectively giving people a choice to take a chance...like the Govt gets Gst on motorbikes that can exceed the speed limit...daft.

If you limit to 1 bottle of beer then this would not give people much of a choice and would change attitude's...

Unfortunately the majority of fatalities are not caused within the proposed or current limits

**Grahameeboy** · 16th February 2009, 18:26

Originally Posted by The Guzzi Widow

Unfortunately the majority of fatalities are not caused within the proposed or current limits

Trubs is that a lot of people try to play roulette with their consumption....if limit is lowered this to me puts a stop to this...

Seems the Govt applies "half measures" to a problem which is ironic.

I dont see then lowering the limit...they had trouble with the turning left rule...got cold feet.

Lets not forget that fatalities are caused by sober drivers...a bad driver is not a lot better than a drunk driver at times

**Genestho** · 16th February 2009, 18:34

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Trubs is that a lot of people try to play roulette with their consumption....if limit is lowered this to me puts a stop to this...Yea you're right on that one, Im trying to push for better public education on standard drinks and variables, I think we waste valuable tax payers dosh on the Bloody Idiot campaign, which has been grinding away for years
Seems the Govt applies "half measures" to a problem which is ironic.
I'll always be for a full measure which I guess if they lower the limit, is halfway there..Only because of the grey area ANY limit gives us
I dont see then lowering the limit...they had trouble with the turning left rule...got cold feet.
Theyre really pushing hard, and its got backing from ACC, you'll see this come up alot as they push for public opinion to sway...however Im NOT going to let them use the deaths of my Husband nor our Mates, for this limit change, as was tried on a few days after the funerals. And ever since with every fatality. I know for a fact this is a flawed rationale

Lets not forget that fatalities are caused by sober drivers...a bad driver is not a lot better than a drunk driver at times

Yep 70% of road fatalities are caused by "other" circumstances..I concur

**EatOrBeEaten** · 16th February 2009, 18:36

Originally Posted by The Guzzi Widow

Yep 70% of road fatalities are caused by "other" circumstances..I concur

Yeah, but 30% are caused by people deliberately drinking stupid-juice and getting behind the wheel of a tonne of steel that will go at over 160km/h.

The other 70% are harder to deal with, but drink-driving is inexcusable and a cunt's game IMO.

**Genestho** · 16th February 2009, 18:41

Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten

Yeah, but 30% are caused by people deliberately drinking stupid-juice and getting behind the wheel of a tonne of steel that will go at over 160km/h.

The other 70% are harder to deal with, but drink-driving is inexcusable and a cunt's game IMO.

Already blinged you damnit!! Couldn't have put it better

**Grahameeboy** · 16th February 2009, 18:42

Originally Posted by The Guzzi Widow

Yep 70% of road fatalities are caused by "other" circumstances..I concur

I don't think education is the way to go...still telling how much you can drink when we should be telling people they should not drink and drive...hence lower the limit and people will soon be educated.

I remember the merge like a zip posters..bloody stupid because it should the cars not abiding to the 2 sec rule....what's wrong with just telling people to be nice ands courteous...I mean if I merge my zip too fast I catch my dick.....

**Grahameeboy** · 16th February 2009, 18:43

Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten

Yeah, but 30% are caused by people deliberately drinking stupid-juice and getting behind the wheel of a tonne of steel that will go at over 160km/h.

The other 70% are harder to deal with, but drink-driving is inexcusable and a cunt's game IMO.

Surely killing someone whilst sober is inexcusable too...

**EatOrBeEaten** · 16th February 2009, 18:50

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Surely killing someone whilst sober is inexcusable too...

Aye, but you can't fight a war against wankers on all fronts. Think about it.

A sustained, focused attempt to shift attitudes on one thing is far easier to do than some generic "stop driving like a cunt" campaign.

If I'm teaching a class of bastards, it's far easier to direct my attack on one aspect of their antisocialness. Getting them all to do one thing right and build on it is easier than an all-out offensive that they switch off to...

**Genestho** · 16th February 2009, 18:53

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Surely killing someone whilst sober is inexcusable too...

Of course it is, any unnecasary death at the hands of another - drunk behind a 1 tonne weapon or not is inexcuseable...however speaking for myself....

I represent B.A.D.D, and I got a big job on....

I do believe Akilla? Have their tired driving campaign in full swing...

ACC is very keen on furthering Motorcycling Safety Campaigns...

And there are many current issues that need to be addressed...and I hope that they are, for innocent road users sakes..