Cops

**spudchucka** · 23rd February 2009, 07:16

AOS is a squad that you apply to join and there is a selection process that is quite demanding. It is voluntary but once you are a squad member you get paid an allowance. AOS is not a full time job, they still carry out regular police duties too. The call outs tend to be very disruptive to your everyday work and home lives, which is now doubt one of the reasons why they get paid an allowance.

**awayatc** · 23rd February 2009, 07:38

Originally Posted by scumdog

ya invariably get introduced wherever you go as "This is xxx, he's a cop" (never heard of any proctologista being introduced by their occupation...

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Mainly so people don't put their foot right it and offer you a joint..., or shoot their mouth off in any sort of incriminating way. (wanna get some cheap mooshine?, wanna new lcd tv fresh of the truck etc.etc.)

**firefighter** · 23rd February 2009, 08:42

Originally Posted by peasea

Is being 'human' a job description?

For the islanders next door, yep, it sure is.....

**firefighter** · 23rd February 2009, 08:50

Originally Posted by Brett

To be very honest about it, I am not all that excited about the salary, I have earnt more than a cop since I was 18, but hey a salary is better than a business that goes under. Also, due to my wifes vocation, we are now earning a fair bit through her, so I would be happy with a pay cut. (Besides, cops have enough down time that someone motivated could make extra money in various other ways)
There are 2 reasons why I am looking at the police (also the paramedics and fire officers) and they are:

1: To help people when they desperately need it.
2: You get to be out and about quite a bit which is a lot more appealing than going back to being an employee behind a computer screen 10 hours a day.

Try doing a few ride-alongs, (I say a few as you will get a more realistic idea of the job) and i'd reccommend joinind a volly brigade for a while...(it does'nt matter for application but you will find out if you like it soon enough)

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Your pay is most definitely taxed. Then there are your compulsory super contributions to come out and your police association fees as well as your welfare fund contributions, life insurance etc etc.

Do you have life insurance through the police?
Firefighters are discriminated against in regards to life insurance, it's "dangerous" so the insurance companies won't cover us for life insurance......fuckers....do you guys have the same problem?

**spudchucka** · 23rd February 2009, 09:06

Insurance is available through the police association's welfare fund but I have other life insurance with non-police oriented companies too and have never been questioned about it being a particularly dangerous occupation.

**samgab** · 23rd February 2009, 09:07

Originally Posted by firefighter

Do you have life insurance through the police?
Firefighters are discriminated against in regards to life insurance, it's "dangerous" so the insurance companies won't cover us for life insurance......fuckers....do you guys have the same problem?

Affirm, we have to pay tax, the same as everyone else.
And to answer Firefighter's question RE: life insurance, we can get life insurance through the Police Association.
http://www.policeassn.org.nz/Insurances/GroupLife.htm

**firefighter** · 23rd February 2009, 09:13

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Insurance is available through the police association's welfare fund but I have other life insurance with non-police oriented companies too and have never been questioned about it being a particularly dangerous occupation.

That's weird, I would have considered being a cop far more dangerous than a firefighter.....(I personally think it would be)

I tried asking for figures that support their claims of it being a dangerous job (ie deaths, I was after life insurance after-all) but they would'nt have a bar of it, and yeah I called about 5 different companies with the same result.....

I wonder if it's really legal to just pick an occupation, assume it's dangerous and decide not to insure them? I mean come-on, the job is dangerous but when you talk about an actual death toll it's pretty bloody small.....more truck drivers die than F/F's on the job.......and they will insure them.

**Patrick** · 23rd February 2009, 09:57

Originally Posted by wbks

So you feel you make a difference in it?

Just when ya think you do, like most days... then you go on to KB and it all goes out the window....

Can't please all of the people all of the time. But interestingly, its usually the ones who have been locked up, or dealt with for doing stupid shit, that have the "problems" with the cops....

So to them, I say...

we will see you soon...

Originally Posted by sinfull

there is the fact he's keeping the baker well employed !

See? We do actually do some good... keeping others gainfully employed.

Originally Posted by peasea

Because? Too much petty paperwork and political interference?

Too much paperwork, for sure. More to do with how they treat their staff just like the scrotes their staff lock up..... Oops... hang on... the scrotes have more rights.

Originally Posted by Brett

... I am looking at is joining the police. I too would not want to do HP. If I did it, I would be looking at something like the dive squad, search and rescue, AOS or something a little more removed from road policing and the general beat.

You start at the bottom. This is what most AOS actually do. AOS is an on call squad... they don't sit around waiting for shit to happen.

To be very honest about it, I am not all that excited about the salary, I have earnt more than a cop since I was 18, but hey a salary is better than a business that goes under. Also, due to my wifes vocation, we are now earning a fair bit through her, so I would be happy with a pay cut.

We had a computor programmer join some yearsd ago.... he went from a $130,000K job to the $43,000K on graduation, at that time. We all thought he was mad.... but he passed the psychology tests....

(Besides, cops have enough down time that someone motivated could make extra money in various other ways)

Heaps with a trade do secondary and are VERY comfortable....
There are 2 reasons why I am looking at the police (also the paramedics and fire officers) and they are:

1: To help people when they desperately need it.
2: You get to be out and about quite a bit which is a lot more appealing than going back to being an employee behind a computer screen 10 hours a day.

Out and about all right... and nothing is ever the same.....

Originally Posted by Brett

yeah they are, but as with anything, you have to start somewhere.

Like beat and general duties....

Originally Posted by firefighter

Do you have life insurance through the police?
Firefighters are discriminated against in regards to life insurance, it's "dangerous" so the insurance companies won't cover us for life insurance......fuckers....do you guys have the same problem?

Being a govt employer, in a govt job, they (the govt) should be ensuring you are covered. I thought more cops have been killed in the line of duty than fireys... (could be wrong here..)

**Max Preload** · 23rd February 2009, 09:58

Originally Posted by scumdog

ya invariably get introduced wherever you go as "This is xxx, he's a cop" (never heard of any proctologista being introduced by their occupation...

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That's not very fair is it. Is there really that much difference between actually being an arsehole and just inspecting them?

**Patrick** · 23rd February 2009, 10:00

Originally Posted by Virago

I failed to qualify by about six inches...

On height?

Or the jump test...?

**Patrick** · 23rd February 2009, 10:06

Originally Posted by munster

In my mid twenties I tried to join the police, blitzed all the fitness (got top for hand grip strength and high jump) and intelligence tests (tops for observation), but they wouldn't let me join because I had 2 careless driving convictions from when I was 17.

Now they let people in with minor assault, fraud convictions and more.

At least I learnt from my mistakes.

Go figure?

Now I'm more mature my income has exceeded what I would get from the Police, but I still hold it as a win Lotto job. Either that or a school teacher or a GP.

The 2 x old careless matters in my book is better than a 5 year old EBA conviction... They went through a stage of allowing those with 5 year old EBA cinvictions in. Some great guys too, but...... hmmmmm..... You get done for EBA in the job, you're gone!

Also had a guy in Auckland apply with a conviction for assaults and resists police..... and the Wellington Head Office said he could continue with the application. We told our boss we weren't processing him any further.... Talk about lowering standards.... How fucked is that?

**Patrick** · 23rd February 2009, 10:07

Originally Posted by Max Preload

That's not very fair is it. Is there really that much difference between actually being an arsehole and just inspecting them?

No. We still gotta lock them up. Don't get too many proctologists through the cells.... Heaps of arseholes though....

**firefighter** · 23rd February 2009, 10:10

Originally Posted by Patrick

Being a govt employer, in a govt job, they (the govt) should be ensuring you are covered. I thought more cops have been killed in the line of duty than fireys... (could be wrong here..)

Yes I have cover internally, it's just if I want private insurance
(state, tower, vero etcetc) I can't get it, it's pretty disgraceful really, i'd forgotten about it but remembered after reading spuds post......I was fuming when i found out but it's just the way it is.....

Yes I would have thought as I said earlier that being a cop is far more dangerous than being a firefighter (the companies have no figures to back them up, I have asked it's "just policy")
....it's a bit fucked really, maybe they think we still grow beards and suck them when we go into buildings.....? (you know dip your beard in water, and suck it to cool any smoke you may breathe in.....

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