Oh good one Key: saving jobs - Bullshit

**Indiana_Jones** · 26th February 2009, 11:58

Originally Posted by Skyryder

This is not 'daily running.' Key talks about job retention. He once compare himself to Barack Obama. He needs to listen to this man too. Only yesterday Obama made a pledge to the American worker that 'American jobs were not going outside of America's borders.'

His comparison of Obama to himself is nothing more that pretenous twaddle from a money fiddler more interested in his own self interests than those of you and I.

Skyryder

I think sourcing gear and weapons servicing etc is everyday running.

where does it stop?

Sorry lads, Bill English says we can only fire 20 rounds at the enemy today.

And good for Obama for making a pledge....

-Indy

**davereid** · 26th February 2009, 12:00

Labours Free-Trade agreement with China has meant that the Chinese can sell our army the gear it needs on a level footing with our own manufacturers.

It will hurt this Levin Business, as it has labour and compliance costs that mean if price alone is the criteria it cannot compete.

On the other hand, lots of other Levin businesses are doing well out of the FTA. Our local dairy, meat and specialised food producers are now able to export to China without taffifs.

We even export Babacoes there now, and The Chinese are developing a taste for good Chardonnay, as well as shipload after shipload of logs and coal.

Other Levin firms still sell to the army, MSA for example make the (bullet proof?) vests for Australia/New Zealand and so on.

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Overall, the FTA will give NZ firms a massive market, and we will be better off for it.

The issue is what do we do with first world workers, on first world wages, in third world industries like clothing - electronics - process work manufacturing ?

**Tank** · 26th February 2009, 12:05

Originally Posted by Skyryder

The lie he told on TV news about his share numbers that he held. Good enough??
Skyyrder

You must write for the standard blog.

You are more one eyed than Sammy Davis, Jr

**firefighter** · 26th February 2009, 12:07

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Just because a clothing company is based in Levin and owned by Grizzly Adams doesn't necessarily mean that it is an efficient, effective or reliable supplier.

New Zealanders generally have a preference to support local suppliers. I imagine that with all of the public scrutiny its purchasing decisions receive, that the NZDF is no exception to that.

I think the issue with N.Z suppliers, is that they rip off the NZDF ten-fold.

A funny little oganisation who they buy just about everything through,(from pens through to standpipes/chairs/whathaveyou) whom you must order everything through (I didn't leave too long ago and it's till the same, I think it's a contractual thing)
They charge, up to......ready for it? Five times and in some cases more, than you can pay for things retail, for EVERYTHING you order, I mean fucken everything.......I won't get into specifics, but it's absurd.....
This on top of my previous post (which does come with insider knowledge BTW) may just be another of contributing factors towards their seeking business from China.....
Ask anyone in the defence force whos ever had to order anything from the company starting with the word "Black" and they will tell you how disgustingly obtuse their pricing is......it's absolutely fucked. In fact I struggle to know how it's even legal.

**Tank** · 26th February 2009, 12:08

Originally Posted by Skyryder

This is not 'daily running.' Key talks about job retention. He once compare himself to Barack Obama. He needs to listen to this man too. Only yesterday Obama made a pledge to the American worker that 'American jobs were not going outside of America's borders.'

His comparison of Obama to himself is nothing more that pretenous twaddle from a money fiddler more interested in his own self interests than those of you and I.

Skyryder

Actually what he said was:
"“I’m a bit like (Barack) Obama,” Mr Key, 47, told the Financial Times in an interview published today. “I am not institutionalised in Wellington”.

“I had 18 years in the commercial world and I will be quite pragmatic,” the old former Merrill Lynch investment banker said"

So all he was pointing is that he isnt a life long political player and has exprience outside of Wellington - A good thing I would have thought.

But hey - dont let context get in the way of your rant.

**MisterD** · 26th February 2009, 12:15

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Swazzi a NZcompany losses a two mill contract from the NZ Army to China.

Well it wasn't Key's government that signed the FTA with China - that's the big thing that will prevent any preference being given to a local manufacturer.

Originally Posted by Skyryder

He once compare himself to Barack Obama.

In that he was an outsider to Wellington as the Obamessiah is to Washington...nothing more.

He needs to listen to this man too. Only yesterday Obama made a pledge to the American worker that 'American jobs were not going outside of America's borders.'

This from a man who promised to halve the federal deficit within four years only a week after signing into law an $800bn "stimulus package" which will be alomst entirely borrowed money...hmm, credible? Believable? Hell it doesn't matter, he's the "change we need".

Well excuse me if I point out that JK's as popular a PM as we've ever had and apparently climbing whilst BO's BS seems to have him sliding down to merely average approval ratings for a new president..

**Skyryder** · 26th February 2009, 12:29

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Yeah good point - we're at risk of going down the financial shitter... key should do nothing!

Yep if his financial managment of his NZ rail shares are an example.

Skyryder

**ManDownUnder** · 26th February 2009, 12:35

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Yep if his financial managment of his NZ rail shares are an example.

Skyryder

You mean fessing up to a possible conflict of interest, then making sure their management is totally beyond his influence thereby putting the interests of the country ahead of his own?

.. good point... I reckon we could all learn a thing or two from that.

Re offshore manufacture of NZ goods. It's inevitable. Global economy is heading to a point where the basic specialisations of each country must come to the fore. NZ is geographically remote from the world so manufacturing is always going to be at a disadvantage.

We need to get smart, use our location and natural assets to our best advantage then build infrastructre on that, and to support that. Look at Dubai - hell of a place. Hot, arid, dusty... but their future is looking better by the day. Tourism!

Quite whinging and work with the way things are - stop swimming upstream.

**Skyryder** · 26th February 2009, 12:43

Key made a comparison to himself as against Obama..............period.

This was for political purposes. Not much point is saying hey I'm an outsider.too......when in fact when he was the opposition spokesman for transport and holding shares in NZ rail...............he was an insider. Just more bullshit from Key. This man has looked after himself, and on that score I have no complaints, but too suggest that he his going to look after NZ jobs on his track record I'd say it's more crap coming for a perfumed arse. It still stinks.

Like the job retention talkfest going on tomorrow. The focus of this will be tourism. Keys port folio.

Who's going to say I'm wrong?

Skyyrder

**ManDownUnder** · 26th February 2009, 12:45

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Who's going to say I'm wrong?
Skyyrder

Me. I'll put a beer on it.

It'll be included of course - it's a sensible thing to include. As for comparing himself to Obama - okay... what'd he say? And why is that a bad thing?

**The Pastor** · 26th February 2009, 12:48

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Me. I'll put a beer on it.

It'll be included of course - it's a sensible thing to include. As for comparing himself to Obama - okay... what'd he say? And why is that a bad thing?

i'll make it two beers.

**MisterD** · 26th February 2009, 12:50

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Who's going to say I'm wrong?

Me.

You really need to get your head of out this lefty mode of "The Government is the solution". Wise up, it isn't. All the government can do is set a framework and show a bit of leadership - which it has done. The rest is down to us, the governed, and whaddya know ASB bank stepped up.