Oh good one Key: saving jobs - Bullshit

**Str8 Jacket** · 26th February 2009, 16:05

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Instead, we are treated to a pathetic dig at a capable man.

Only time will tell!

Originally Posted by Hoon

The Chinese made wet weather gear is heaps better than the Swazi/Yakka ones we've had for the last 10 years.
Not only does the DPM pattern match the rest of our uniform now, the chinese gear is lighter, less bulkier and makes less noise as well.
It would've been nice to keep the contract in NZ but the Swazi gear is just plain inferior. If they could've come up with a comparable product then that's all good but I guess they couldn't.

Funny old thing Procurement. Things are never black and white and its not all about saving money, its about getting BEST VALUE for money.... Unfortunately only those involved in the process will know the real truth...

**Swoop** · 26th February 2009, 16:13

Originally Posted by pete376403

yeah but unfortunately Key is one of (many) "financial wizards" that helped drop the world into its current shithole.

So, Key owns GE Money, Instant finance, or some other lending institution?
Please enlighten me.

Originally Posted by pete376403

Key, like almost every political figure other than Ghandi, looks out for himself first.

If that is so, can you please explain why he is not accepting the wages being paid to the PM? Instead he is donating them to charity. How do you explain that?

**MSTRS:Me** · 26th February 2009, 16:16

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Only time will tell!

Ah, Hels...it already has. Keys actually made a success of himself out there in the big, scary world BEFORE he turned his hand to politics. Whereas the loony left is full of career political students and slimy lawyers.

**Str8 Jacket** · 26th February 2009, 16:27

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Ah, Hels...it already has. Keys actually made a success of himself out there in the big, scary world BEFORE he turned his hand to politics. Whereas the loony left is full of career political students and slimy lawyers.

Lets see what he does to the country over the next few years with all that experience of his eh! I am not pre judging, I just hope that he sorts this country and not the opposite... Look abit weird having a very wealthy man for PM if NZ does actually run out of money dontcha think?...

**R6_kid:Me** · 26th February 2009, 16:28

Originally Posted by Hoon

The Chinese made wet weather gear is heaps better than the Swazi/Yakka ones we've had for the last 10 years.
Not only does the DPM pattern match the rest of our uniform now, the chinese gear is lighter, less bulkier and makes less noise as well.
It would've been nice to keep the contract in NZ but the Swazi gear is just plain inferior. If they could've come up with a comparable product then that's all good but I guess they couldn't.

Yes, but according to skyrider it doesn't matter that your gear doesnt match, isnt properly waterproof, or that it's heavier, clumsier and makes more noise - it wasn't made in EN ZUD and therefore it's John Keys fault.

**MSTRS:Me** · 26th February 2009, 16:31

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Lets see what he does to the country over the next few years with all that experience of his eh! I am not pre judging, I just hope that he sorts this country and not the opposite... Look abit weird having a very wealthy man for PM if NZ does actually run out of money dontcha think?...

That's fair. How many years will you give him to prove one way or the other? 9?

**Str8 Jacket** · 26th February 2009, 16:35

Originally Posted by MSTRS

That's fair. How many years will you give him to prove one way or the other? 9?

Well I am more "advantaged" than some because if my occupation...

I wont put years on it but to be honest if he makes it to a 2nd term then that would be helpful. IMO I think that we may actually see a trend that will help make that decision over the next 3 years but you can never fairly judge any plans/words/proposals until they have come into fruition so 9 years may actually be a good call.

**pete376403** · 26th February 2009, 16:41

Originally Posted by Swoop

So, Key owns GE Money, Instant finance, or some other lending institution?
Please enlighten me.

If that is so, can you please explain why he is not accepting the wages being paid to the PM? Instead he is donating them to charity. How do you explain that?

Unconventional and very complicated financial transactions made by financial institutions worldwide had a very major bearing on the current situation. Key worked as a trader in one of these institutions (Merril Lynch -which appears to have gone tits-up and been bought at a fire sale by Bank of America). Key made his pile in an environment like this - it's what he knows works - for him.

As for donating his wage to charity - it's petty cash compared to what he already has and the political benefits far outweigh the dollar cost. And you can be absolutely sure there is some sort of tax writeoff in there somewhere.

However you seem happy to see him as Saint John of Helensville (oh what an ironic name for his electorate

**Str8 Jacket** · 26th February 2009, 16:46

Everyone has a personal life and their own money to do with it what they please, even the PM.

**Fub@r** · 26th February 2009, 17:43

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Swazzi a NZcompany losses a two mill contract from the NZ Army to China.

Another 'talkfest' on saving jobs starts tomorrow. What's the bet that the focus will be on tourism: Keys port folio.

Skyryder

I see on the news tonight that this decision was made last year by Yakka..........so can we blame Aunty Helen now?

**Skyryder** · 26th February 2009, 17:49

Originally Posted by pete376403

yeah but unfortunately Key is one of (many) "financial wizards" that helped drop the world into its current shithole.

Key, like almost every political figure other than Ghandi, looks out for himself first.

Most sensible comment to date.

Next to mine that is.

Skyryder

**Skyryder** · 26th February 2009, 17:52

Originally Posted by Fub@r

I see on the news tonight that this decision was made last year by Yakka..........so can we blame Aunty Helen now?

Nope. She ain't the Government.

**Skyryder** · 26th February 2009, 17:59

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

You mean fessing up to a possible conflict of interest, then making sure their management is totally beyond his influence thereby putting the interests of the country ahead of his own?

.. good point... I reckon we could all learn a thing or two from that.

He lost money. Not much to learn from that and then lied. Most never learned from that either.

Skyyrder

**Pixie** · 26th February 2009, 18:00

Labour would have probably contracted the the job of defending NZ to the Chinese.
Look at the pros:
Real guns
Jets
Nukulah deterent (maybe not so attractive to Labour and the Hippies)
Nice matching red tinge