Oh good one Key: saving jobs - Bullshit

**Skyryder** · 1st March 2009, 15:22

Originally Posted by Oscar

Wake up.
You (and the whingeing left) can't have it both ways.
NZ lives off its exports and we whine our arses off about protectionism when it suits.

Make up your mind - free trade and CER, or job protection.

Another one who does not know what they are on about. The Free Trade Agreement according to the Nats 'is' about job protection. So it's FTA and job protection. Not FTA 'or' job protection.

Skyryder

**Oscar** · 1st March 2009, 16:33

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Another one who does not know what they are on about. The Free Trade Agreement according to the Nats 'is' about job protection. So it's FTA and job protection. Not FTA 'or' job protection.

Skyryder

Explain to me, then how we can have free trade on your terms, then?
We get to sell a load of products into China, but then we refuse to accept their goods into our market to protect our jobs.

**Ocean1** · 1st March 2009, 16:39

Originally Posted by Oscar

Explain to me, then how we can have free trade on your terms, then?
We get to sell a load of products into China, but then we refuse to accept their goods into our market to protect our jobs.

Explain it?

It's close to a perfect description or your typical lunatic left comprehension about trade.

The explanation from that direction is simply that our trading partners are all bastards and should mend their evel ways by just giving us shit.

**Skyryder** · 1st March 2009, 18:03

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Explain it?

It's close to a perfect description or your typical lunatic left comprehension about trade.

The explanation from that direction is simply that our trading partners are all bastards and should mend their evel ways by just giving us shit.

So you trust Chinese food manufactures. The fact that this has been in the pipe line for years has got to say something about their methods.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...01/2504353.htm

We sell our green clean food to China and what we get in return is doubt about food quality.

Skyryder

**Skyryder** · 1st March 2009, 18:13

Originally Posted by Oscar

Explain to me, then how we can have free trade on your terms, then?
We get to sell a load of products into China, but then we refuse to accept their goods into our market to protect our jobs.

Their goods into our markets to protect our jobs??. Where you been. Ever heard of Rodgernomics.

Basicly we imported cheap goods from asia to the detriment of our own industry. Tha t cost jobs it did not creat them.

It's one of the reasons I'm so hostile to the Nats. THE SILENCE OF ACT IS A BAROMETER OF HOW FAR KEY IS MOVING TO THE RIGHT. Key has correctly assessed the publics hostility of Labour that they can do what they like with little opposition other than that coming from traditional quarters Labour:unions etc. For those that lived through Rodgenomics that is going be picnic compared to what is coming.

Skyryder.

**Skyryder** · 1st March 2009, 18:15

Originally Posted by Oscar

Explain to me, then how we can have free trade on your terms, then?
We get to sell a load of products into China, but then we refuse to accept their goods into our market to protect our jobs.

Double post sorry mods

**scumdog** · 1st March 2009, 18:19

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Basicly we imported cheap goods from asia to the detriment of our own industry. Tha t cost jobs it did not creat them.

Summed up that quite well.

**Patrick** · 2nd March 2009, 10:40

Originally Posted by Skyryder

OK fair point. But here's the difference. The 'painting' was to be auctioned for charity Keys lie was deception for personal gain.

And I have made my points on speedgate long back in which we would no doubt be in agreement. If you are going to bring up old stuff against me do your homework first.

Skyryder

I was having a dig against just a couple of Helens old indiscretions, not against you....

Hang on... Youre Helen!!!!!!!!!! Skyrider is a nom de plume!!!!!!!!

Hope all is well over at the Hague? You're not coming back soon, I hope?

And I hate homework...

**Skyryder** · 2nd March 2009, 10:51

Originally Posted by Skyryder

THE SILENCE OF ACT IS A BAROMETER OF HOW FAR KEY IS MOVING TO THE RIGHT. Key has correctly assessed the publics hostility of Labour that they can do what they like with little opposition other than that coming from traditional quarters Labour:unions etc.

Skyryder.

Seems I'm not the only one with concerns.

http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/law-...ew-fta-2508700

Skyryder

**Skyryder** · 2nd March 2009, 10:55

Originally Posted by Patrick

I was having a dig against just a couple of Helens old indiscretions, not against you....

Hang on... Youre Helen!!!!!!!!!! Skyrider is a nom de plume!!!!!!!!

Hope all is well over at the Hague? You're not coming back soon, I hope?

And I hate homework...

Don't matter 'where' I am my posts are 'here.'

Helen is better looking than me

I just got longer hair and rubber lips for smooching.

I tell ya the chicks love this botox thing and they don't care what ya look like

Skyryder

**MisterD** · 2nd March 2009, 11:04

Originally Posted by Skyryder

THE SILENCE OF ACT IS A BAROMETER OF HOW FAR KEY IS MOVING TO THE RIGHT.

No, the lack of coverage of Act is a barometer of how far the MSM have become lefty lickspittles...

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/sir-rog...orrowing-45988

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0902/S00400.htm

**Oscar** · 2nd March 2009, 11:08

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Their goods into our markets to protect our jobs??. Where you been. Ever heard of Rodgernomics.

Basicly we imported cheap goods from asia to the detriment of our own industry. Tha t cost jobs it did not creat them.

It's one of the reasons I'm so hostile to the Nats. THE SILENCE OF ACT IS A BAROMETER OF HOW FAR KEY IS MOVING TO THE RIGHT. Key has correctly assessed the publics hostility of Labour that they can do what they like with little opposition other than that coming from traditional quarters Labour:unions etc. For those that lived through Rodgenomics that is going be picnic compared to what is coming.

Skyryder.

OK, explain to me how this country would survive without free trade.
Would you like to go back to a world with tariffs? How can we expect the world to take our Beef, Lamb, Dairy and Wine if we had a protectionist economy?

You mentioned Rogernomics, but I wonder if you recall lfe in NZ before it? The limited and expensive crap (made in NZ of course) that was available for the consumer. Would you like to go back to NZ of the '70's and early '80's? We were a economic basket case...

As for your party political rant - the Nats have been in power a little over 100 days, I don't understand why you are blaming them for a free trade economy primarily created under Labour.

**Skyryder** · 2nd March 2009, 11:39

Originally Posted by Oscar

OK, explain to me how this country would survive without free trade.
Would you like to go back to a world with tariffs? How can we expect the world to take our Beef, Lamb, Dairy and Wine if we had a protectionist economy?

You mentioned Rogernomics, but I wonder if you recall lfe in NZ before it? The limited and expensive crap (made in NZ of course) that was available for the consumer. Would you like to go back to NZ of the '70's and early '80's? We were a economic basket case...

As for your party political rant - the Nats have been in power a little over 100 days, I don't understand why you are blaming them for a free trade economy primarily created under Labour.

There is no place for any society to practice protectionism as it's ‘only’ means of trade. That is ludicrous. So too is an economy based soley on free trade. It is about balance. Just where the fulcrum of this balance should be is another subject. Labour by an large is in much the same camp as the Nats on free trade but both governments have forgotten about the NZ industry that supplies the local market in goods Essentially Labour made the mistake of tampering with the social fabric believing that his would make up the shortfall in policy for local industry. I’m not going to dwell on this as it’s a long long topic suffice to say they paid the price even though their intent was for the good.

Yes I do well remember the life prior to Rodgernomics and could go into great detail on this however I will just say that NZ Rail, the Post Office and Ministry of Works not to mention the NZED provided a wide range of both apprenticeship and employment opportunities, along with planning in their respective fields and crime was down too and tagging was unheard of.

**Oscar** · 2nd March 2009, 11:43

Originally Posted by Skyryder

There is no place for any society to practice protectionism as it's ‘only’ means of trade. That is ludicrous. So too is an economy based soley on free trade. It is about balance. Just where the fulcrum of this balance should be is another subject. Labour by an large is in much the same camp as the Nats on free trade but both governments have forgotten about the NZ industry that supplies the local market in goods Essentially Labour made the mistake of tampering with the social fabric believing that his would make up the shortfall in policy for local industry. I’m not going to dwell on this as it’s a long long topic suffice to say they paid the price even though their intent was for the good.

Yes I do well remember the life prior to Rodgernomics and could go into great detail on this however I will just say that NZ Rail, the Post Office and Ministry of Works not to mention the NZED provided a wide range of both apprenticeship and employment opportunities, along with planning in their respective fields and crime was down too and tagging was unheard of.

You are joking?
The employment and training opportunities offered were on the basis of ast over-employment at the tax payers expense. The four Depts you mention rivaled their communist counterparts in Eastern Europe for inefficiency, bad management, corruption and theft...