Struggling? Here's why (My mark in the sand)

**puddytat** · 9th March 2009, 20:28

When has a state run enterprise thats been privatised EVER given better service....I listened to all that shit when "they" said privatising meant that everything would be cheaper & better service....YEAH RIGHT!! All I get now is prerecorded menu & letters informing me that whatever it is , is going up in price.....I wish my fucking wages would.

**Mully** · 9th March 2009, 20:40

Originally Posted by vtec

Skyrider - Thanks for the insight to John Key. I don't really know much about him at all apart from the fact he is part of the educated (and rich) elite. So far I haven't been able to fault him with what he's done though. I have a sinking feeling you are right.

How did he lie to NZ? I was in Aussie all last year. We don't touch the news much there.

Fuck, don't start him on this rant again.

I think it's cos he owned Toll rail shares in his own name, and his family trust owned some too, or some such.

**Winston001** · 9th March 2009, 20:42

Originally Posted by puddytat

When has a state run enterprise thats been privatised EVER given better service....I listened to all that shit when "they" said privatising meant that everything would be cheaper & better service....YEAH RIGHT!! All I get now is prerecorded menu & letters informing me that whatever it is , is going up in price.....I wish my fucking wages would.

Hmmm...ok, lets see. NZ Post and Telegraph became Telecom and NZ Post. Suddenly you could get a phone on in 3 days - not 3 weeks. My phone line costs about $40 today, $33 in 1987, toll calls are much cheaper today. And mail gets from Invercargill to Auckland overnight when it used to take 5 days or longer.

Quotable Value - used to be Government Valuation service and very laid back. Now they are jumping down the phone to help. Solid Energy - its a million miles from the old Ministry of Mines which had a lot in common with old NZ Rail. Jobs for life. And even KiwiRail despite all the problems does a good fast job today.

**Skyryder** · 9th March 2009, 20:44

Originally Posted by vtec

Skyrider - Thanks for the insight to John Key. I don't really know much about him at all apart from the fact he is part of the educated (and rich) elite. So far I haven't been able to fault him with what he's done though. I have a sinking feeling you are right.

How did he lie to NZ? I was in Aussie all last year. We don't touch the news much there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeJSF...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaEXa...eature=related

Merril Lynch Key stating they got it wrong. When did Merril Lynch ever get wrong?? Just look at his body language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg95X...eature=related

Skyryder

**Mully** · 9th March 2009, 20:46

Fuck, too late.

**BMWST?** · 9th March 2009, 20:47

Originally Posted by vtec

Now, the police don't care about your car getting stolen for several reasons. It's not going to make them any revenue if they find it.

I didnt realise then Police were trying to earn money for solving crime

To date it has already realised billions in losses. Pretty sure it was mostly from the labour government reign.

this scheme was set up by the labour government but if it had dropped in value it will be only over the last year or so

And Jeaves, I'm not looking for a free transfer, just the transfer charge should be on an order of magnitude less than it is. Not to mention you have to pay more than the going rate to the bank for the transfer, and they buy it off someone else at less than the going rate... They win everywhere by lots. They are thieves.

i beleive that is the real function of a bank...to make money for their shareholders

**Mully** · 9th March 2009, 20:54

Originally Posted by BMWST?

I didnt realise then Police were trying to earn money for solving crime

Yes, yes. The heinous Godless crime of driving or riding at 61km/h

With the non-existent quota.

Sorry, back on topic, lads.

**Skyryder** · 9th March 2009, 21:00

Originally Posted by Oscar

Meaningful employment?
What an incredibly stupid comment.
Please name one member of the former labour cabinet that ever worked for a living....
You need a user name change - how about "Left wing sore loser"?

Ya going to love this one. Mallard was a teacher. He's worked as a teacher in Wellington and the King Country.

Now if you had asked for two............................?? But you didn't. Ya just got to think before you use ya hands.

Skyryder

**Forest** · 9th March 2009, 21:05

Originally Posted by vtec

Edit again: The graph I've attached shows the ASX200 it started to collapse back in 2007. That was when everything was starting to collapse, yet your mainstream media was only reporting economic issues in late 2008. That means that people were knowledgeable and informed about the problems in banking and insurance and the property bubble way back then, and your mainstream media either had no idea, or didn't want to alarm you, or were purposely keeping you in the dark so that they could keep their friends in the winning seats.

The best sources for information for me have been marketoracle.org, and www.larouchepac.com - I learnt from them in person in Melbourne about the insolvency of the banking system back in early 08. They said the system had passed the point of no return in 2007. I didn't know how much to believe back then, enough to keep all my money in cash at that stage.

Sorry buddy, but you're way off the mark there.

In general terms, share prices reflect the expected financial performance for a listed entity. This means that the share prices tend to run about 12-18 months ahead of the entity's financial reporting. If you think about this it does make sense - investors buy shares because they expect the company to do better in the future (and anticipate a rise in the share's value) or they sell shares because they expect the company to do worse in the future (and anticipate a fall in the share's value).

Back in 2007, the market began to realise that problems were coming up and the share prices dropped in expectation of lowered financial performance. It isn't a conspiracy.

**Oscar** · 9th March 2009, 21:08

Originally Posted by vtec

Damn it Oscar another simple answer for you. Because nobody with power or in any position to gain it was worth voting for. But I still think NZ is great in many ways, it's just pretty fucked in many too. Just because I didn't vote doesn't mean I don't care. I very obviously care by all the posts I've put up here today. I didn't like either National or Labour policies, but didn't see a viable alternative.

Abstaining is a form of protest.

You accuse me of simplistic answers after you say all insurers are thieves and banks invent fairy tale products.

You don't vote, yet you complain about the government.
Abstaining is a form of cop out.

There were more than two parties in the last election, spend less time on your conspiracy theories and more time in the real world - those who don't engage, shouldn't whinge.

**Oscar** · 9th March 2009, 21:15

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Ya going to love this one. Mallard was a teacher. He's worked as a teacher in Wellington and the King Country.

Now if you had asked for two............................?? But you didn't. Ya just got to think before you use ya hands.

Skyryder

Mallard's been in Parliament since what? 1984?
The best you can do is someone who worked as a teacher a generation ago?
Gimme a break.

The reason that losers like you complain about people like Key is very simple.
Jealousy.
Not just the wealth, but the power and the popular support.

Key took the working man off labour (maybe not forever, but for the election day), and he took Maori off of Labour.
He killed off the undead that is Winston Peters.
He made the Greens irrelevant and even sidelined Peter Dunne.

And he did that in the time it takes a Labour Cabinet to decide if they should have a committee to study if the tea breaks should include plain or fancy biscuits.

**Brian d marge** · 9th March 2009, 21:17

Originally Posted by reofix

wow brian and i thought you guys were extinct!!!! then out of the backwoods wanders a fully fledged conspirational ... jargon spouting fuckwit

who isnt being reamed up the arse like some morons ... Did you use enough jelly ...???

Stephen

Jargon ,,,I am sorry did the remedial classes not teach that ?

**Swampdonkey** · 9th March 2009, 21:18

The Greens are our saviour......fark off Charlie!!

**Brian d marge** · 9th March 2009, 21:22

Originally Posted by elevenhundred

Everyone needs to HTFU

NZ is a shit load better than a lot of other countries, people just have no perspective

and those countries would be????? Nz was up in the top 5 or 10 .... for standards of living ...now where is it ...

still must not grumble eh

Stephen