So, a rozza enters my home...

[warewolf]

Faark, some great generalisations and assumptions there dude

Just following your lead.

if you believe what you posted 100% then you come from a different planet than me...

It's not some faith-belief, it's experience. I come from the planet where the cops are fallible, as proven by the judiciary. Not some dream world where the cops are always a) honest and b) right.

[scumdog]

Just following your lead.

It's not some faith-belief, it's experience. I come from the planet where the cops are fallible, as proven by the judiciary. Not some dream world where the cops are always a) honest and b) right.

Sooo, hmm, reading your comment I came to the conclusion cops ALWAYS lie and are ALWAYS wrong.....

Did I read you right???

[warewolf]

Not some dream world where the cops are always a) honest and b) right.

Sooo, hmm, reading your comment I came to the conclusion cops ALWAYS lie and are ALWAYS wrong.....

Did I read you right???

Uh, no. Which just makes a classic example supporting item b).

Or are you attempting humour?

[Patrick]

I follow alright.
Anything said here that you and yer fellow Gendarmes consider uppity is bush lawyering...

Winston says it betterer than me....

I know my rights and I've seen Police infringe them on numerous occasions - the first being outside Eden Park on a winters day in 1981 when cops weren't wearing numbers and refused to give them when requested..

Ahhh... the Red Squad. Thems the good ole days..... I take it you didn't see the cops getting dealt to with picket pailings and having Fire Fudge thrown on them then.... But dang, he didn't give me his name when I asked... Waaaaaaa.....

It is the methodology of an arrogant few (read: most Highway Patrol Bastids) that winds me up. If any are reading this, some points to note:

• Yes, as a matter of fact I do know how fast I was going, but you don't think I'd be stupid enough to tell you, do you?
  
  Some have no idea how fast they are going...
  
• Don't gimme the road toll or accident backspot sermons. We both know you have a quota to fill.
  
  Yeah.... its just a bull shit line to throw coz they feel guilty about having quota....
  
• If I wanted someone to talk to me like a naughty teenager, I'd go home and see my wife. Just gimme the ticket, OK?
  
  Some pay bloody top dollars to be treated like this... You get it for free??????
  
• No, I haven't been drinking. It's 11am on a Tuesday for fucks sakes and we're in Leamington, 10 miles from the nearest pub (which isn't open). So tell me why you have five cops and booze bus here?
  
  So there is no such thing as booze sessions in private home in them parts then? (This has to be a piss take... surely do don't think that there are no pissed drivers at 11 in the morning, on a Tuesday??????????? Nice world you live in....)
  
• No one ever said "Driving's in the blood.".
  
  Yes they did!!! I saw it on telly. One of those road safety ads.... where dad teaches his kid how to kill himself....
  
  Dave is a cahnt and no-one's mate.
  
  I know a Dave, he IS a cahnt. Then there is this other Dave, he is a good bastard......
  
  We get it Knackstead, now do something constructive for road safety like fixing the road surfaces or actually training drivers before you license them.

Ummmm.... isn't that someone elses job? The unions will be up in arms.....

This is all very true. The cops will never admit the truth of the process unless you first demonstrate you know it, then they'll usually back off and try for a softer target elsewhere that they can coerce into rolling over.

Pfft. Lawyers, and wannabe lawyers are funny, when pissed and making out they know it all.....

In recent years I've been kicking around with some lawyers. Their clients who try to co-operate - mistakenly believing it will help their defence - only incriminate themselves, making the defence much more difficult.

Not everyone has an actual "defence..." just a lawyer who tells them to say nothing.

In comparison those that shut up, say & do nothing until the lawyer arrives to supervise are rarely found guilty.

This is really funny. Oh..... you believe this??????????

The prosecutors know this, so try to surprise the clients and bully them into co-operating and self-incriminating as much as possible until the lawyer arrives and forces them to back off and play by the rules.

Nah. We just tell the judge either... "He cooperated fully" or, if you prefer, "He refused to cooperate."

Guess who gets the better results....???

[Oscar]

Ahhh... the Red Squad. Thems the good ole days..... I take it you didn't see the cops getting dealt to with picket pailings and having Fire Fudge thrown on them then.... But dang, he didn't give me his name when I asked... Waaaaaaa.....

It don't work like that and you know it.
Those people are called criminals, and cops don't get to act like criminals (except the ones from Rotorua).
They're supposed to be better than criminals, that's how we tell them apart (except for the snazzy uniform,of course).

BTW: the way you replied? Boring - I can't be arsed picking out all your fatuous comments, except to say:

If the accident blackspot/no quota thing really is true, why do you put fixed speed cameras is areas where accidents are rare, but speeding drivers are common? Places like Cambridge Road & Te Rapa Road in Hamilton and SH1 in Orewa. Places where you catch out of towners doing 70 in a 60 zone? What is that doing for road safety?

[warewolf]

Pfft. Lawyers, and wannabe lawyers are funny, when pissed and making out they know it all.....

Specially the one that previously worked as an Auckland central detective for twenty years.

Not everyone has an actual "defence..." just a lawyer who tells them to say nothing.

Which puts the onus on the cops, who don't always have actual "proof..." if they didn't get away with bullying the person into incriminating themselves. When a cop is leaning on you, why should you trust anything he says?? Any advice he gives is in his best interests, not yours. It's not up to people to fall on their sword, it's your job to prove your case. This is a fundamental principle of the society we live in.

This is really funny. Oh..... you believe this??????????

In the industry these lawyers work in, yep, I've got various reasons to believe them and few not to (the main one being that they're full of piss and hot wind - sometimes).

We just tell the judge either... "He cooperated fully" or, if you prefer, "He refused to cooperate."

... and the level of co-operation has what bearing on level of guilt?

[tri boy]

Why, oh why has the local rozza controller forgotten/chosen not to contact me as requested by the police complaints authority?
I feel ignored, used, and slightly dirty.
Ahh, fuggit. I didn't think they would respond anyway.
Guess ya have to go begging to the man now a days just to be given the right to be ignored. Dylan was right. Times , they are a changing. Change they have.

No doughnuts for Waikato rozza's.
Bad copper. At least Rosa acts on the directions she is given. Some dogs ya just can't train.

[Skyryder]

Well the cops are certainly getting their arse kicked by Bains defence team.

Justified or not I don't know. Still not looking good for them either way.


Skyryder

[spudchucka]

Well the cops are certainly getting their arse kicked by Bains defence team.

Justified or not I don't know. Still not looking good for them either way.


Skyryder

Was that in some way unexpected?

[SixPackBack]

Was that in some way unexpected?

The general public had an expectation that evidence and memories would have remanded constant!?

[spudchucka]

Is your better half still looking at joining the bacon?

[scumdog]

Well the cops are certainly getting their arse kicked by Bains defence team.

Justified or not I don't know. Still not looking good for them either way.


Skyryder

Well THAT would be surprise....

But wait, there's more......lots more

[SixPackBack]

Is your better half still looking at joining the bacon?

No mate. The training scared her away.........she has just applied for a position at the north shore district court tho' so we will see how that goes!

[SixPackBack]

Well THAT would be surprise....

But wait, there's more......lots more

I can't make my mind up about Bain...........hard to believe the coppers would fit him up-makes no sense at all!

[Patrick]

It don't work like that and you know it.

Yeah, it was... and you know it...

Those people are called criminals, and cops don't get to act like criminals (except the ones from Rotorua).
They're supposed to be better than criminals, that's how we tell them apart (except for the snazzy uniform,of course).

Especially those "Clowns" ones. They were real dodgy.

BTW: the way you replied? Boring - I can't be arsed picking out all your fatuous comments, except to say:

Have a re-read and lighten up. Your sense of humour has obviously gone.

If the accident blackspot/no quota thing really is true, why do you put fixed speed cameras is areas where accidents are rare, but speeding drivers are common? Places like Cambridge Road & Te Rapa Road in Hamilton and SH1 in Orewa. Places where you catch out of towners doing 70 in a 60 zone? What is that doing for road safety?

Dunno. I've never set up a speed camera in my life. Never will. Camera vans catch out the unobservant. In more ways than one........

Specially the one that previously worked as an Auckland central detective for twenty years.

Which one...? There has been a few.....

Which puts the onus on the cops, who don't always have actual "proof..." if they didn't get away with bullying the person into incriminating themselves. When a cop is leaning on you, why should you trust anything he says?? Any advice he gives is in his best interests, not yours. It's not up to people to fall on their sword, it's your job to prove your case. This is a fundamental principle of the society we live in.

Talking to someone is "bullying????" What a nana state we live in.... Its why people talk - to find out what happpened, get both sides of the story, whatever. Acting on just one side of the story can be easy, but so unnecessary..... sometimes.....

... and the level of co-operation has what bearing on level of guilt?

None whatsoever. But hey, what do judges care...?

Well the cops are certainly getting their arse kicked by Bains defence team.

Justified or not I don't know. Still not looking good for them either way.


Skyryder

???????????????????????????????

I heard why the Bain Team, so keen to have a retrial, tried SOOOOOOOOOOO hard to have the whole thing tossed for the last few weeks.

Time will tell.......