One Class One Bike

[slowpoke]

Run the classes together and try and try to extrapolate the individual class results? .... no thanks, while the best of the 1000s should be ahead of the 600's there will always be a situation where someone gets held up by a semi fast 1000 that blasts the straights to hold up or ruin a 600 battle in the field and effect a championship even.

Why not stop the cross entry altogether and run F1 and F2 races on their own but then have an Open class race for all to enter.

If the F1 class does not have enough entries well sorry tough luck, if you're on a 1000 you'll have to put up with just the Open race.

I've raced at lots of clubs in the UK where they have a 600cc series, Powerbike (over 700cc) and then a Open or Unlimited class race.

Ultimately how far to you go with maintaining a class if the entry numbers drop?

The argument would seem to be that the 1000cc riders want 2 race classes, this would give them the 2 classes if the class numbers are ok.


As a rider in F2 which is normally over subscribed at the VMCC, i also don't accept why the F2 championship should suffer to accommodate the F1's sorry.

Hmmm, it doesn't seem fair to run a class into the ground by giving it half the track time, then when people have understandably moved to other classes use the excuse that there aren't any entrants to let it die.

There are simple solutions that would enable everyone to get an equitable amount of track time. As a result 600's wouldn't be oversubscribed and F1 would flourish. As for combining the two classes and tangling each other up, this is club racing at the arse end of the world after all, we aren't racing for $$$ or contracts. There will always be the Nationals for those who want to take things super seriously.

This is a win win situation for everyone if it's handled right.

[j-lo69]

wat about peoplr that wana run a 600 n 1000??

[White trash]

wat about peoplr that wana run a 600 n 1000??

Actually, hadn't thought of that. Good point.

[HDTboy]

Nicko was doing hust that a couple of years ago, as was Craig Shirrifs

[FROSTY:Me]

What would happen if rather than following the class rules for nationals if a simple a.b,c .d and e class were run?
If its about races and time on track hold 5 classes decided by qualifying times.

[White trash]

That's exactly how Tim Gibbes Suzuki Central series used to be run. Good numbers too.

For some reason it only ran for a couple of winters. Paid prize money also.

[slowpoke]

What would happen if rather than following the class rules for nationals if a simple a.b,c .d and e class were run?
If its about races and time on track hold 5 classes decided by qualifying times.

I don't know that it's applicable across the board and the speed differential between different bikes still needs to be considered. The problem seems to be a fairly specific one to F1's and 600's so I reckon including other classes is over complicating it.

The grading system ran in Western Australia when I was over there and seemed to run quite well. Even if you weren't at the pointy end you had something to race/aim for, even if it was just making the next grade. There was certainly no shortage of numbers!

[cowpoos]

there's no reason someone with the money can't import a used 500GP machine and race it in F1 at the Actrix series. Shit, I'd pay a gate fee simply to see the thing being ridden.

or build one?? Rgv 250 + Rgv250 = ???? theres a 3 cyclinder 750 two stroke floating around some where ain't there?

[White trash]

RGVs and the like are actually too wide. Imagine a paralel twin with the cylinders split and one laid forward. That would make it wider than a four cylinder inline.

[cowpoos]

wat about peoplr that wana run a 600 n 1000??

they could save money and have one or the other...or they could run both...and still have the same amount of track time as everyone else simple aye....

[cowpoos]

RGVs and the like are actually too wide. Imagine a paralel twin with the cylinders split and one laid forward. That would make it wider than a four cylinder inline.

roger.......cr500 + cr 500 ???

[DEATH_INC.]

The cross entry problem is easy, if you wanna run 2 classes, you pay twice. Full entry fee for each class. That'll cut the numbers back. I did always like the idea of a combined class with more laps though......maybe you could start them a half lap apart to stop a bit of the interfering from the different paces? Grid up and start the thous, then grid up the 600's and when the thous get to a certain point send them off. Should work....
Oh yeh, and more relaxed rules for older bikes maybe....my old dino with a turbo on it will still only be as fast as ed's rocket....maybe...and how about ZX14's and stuff?

[steveyb]

Bear in mind that VMCC runs Superbike and Supersport classes under the old Fomula 1 and Formula 2 rules precisely to encourage all those riders out there with F1 and F2 bikes to enter.

How many actually do?

NO MORE RACES CAN BE INCLUDED INTO THE VMCC PROGRAMME. There is simply NO MORE TIME!!

So a solution needs to be found within the current structure that encourages more F1 riders to turn up.

Only SP600 riders really get extra track time. No other riders can realistically cross enter.

Perhaps we should run the SBK and SP600 together in the same races, make them a bit longer and separate the points afterwards.

The issue of bikes getting in the way is there, but ultimately it is club racing and really, how often is it going to happen?

Not only would this make track time a bit more equitable, it will cut down on running costs for riders (as SP600 will get a bit less tracktime than previously), but it will also free up more time in the programme for extending other race lengths.

Graded or bracket racing has its pros and its cons.

At circuits like Manfeild it is not too bad, as long as the time brackets are close enough. But at circuits like Puke and Taupo it will be quite a different story. With the plethora of different machines we have now some major speed differentials in straight lines can be anticipated and the possibility of dangerous situations being created is high.
If such a situation can be anticipated and then it is created, then this can be regarded and criminal negligence if something bad happens. Anyone want that?

We had graded racing for many years at Baypark Tauranga Motorcycle Club and at Suzuki Central RR Series and even at AMCC, but we have all moved away from it for good reasons.

Graded licencing on the other hand, I believe to be a neccesity now.

[koba]

What would happen if rather than following the class rules for nationals if a simple a.b,c .d and e class were run?
If its about races and time on track hold 5 classes decided by qualifying times.

I quite vividly remember Derek Hill answering that question, his reply went somthing like this:
"Na, bad Idea, we have tried doing that all before and I was fast enough to be mixed in with much faster bikes on the 400. The speed differential is just too great, it is scary and dangerous. It is speed differential that kills on racetracks"

It freaks the fuck out of me everytime I think of that.

[neil_cb125t]

I believe that the cross entering between F1-F2-F3 shoud not be allowed, this is also supported by what derek said and the 115% rule - if bikes cant keep up it woud be too dangerous. i used to enter my RG150 into F3 until i got collected by a F3 bike lapping me.

they did this whole one class for 600 and F1 at wangas 2 years ago - suddenly you have nebies to the 600 class against fire breathers. and only 40 bikes can fit on the grid - if this class was created people who don't come in under 115% DONT GET TO RIDE AT ALL!!

Cross entering Posties and F3 SHOULD be allowed, people like myself looked for a 1989 bike to do just that!! run 2 classes - also with the dominance of these newly modified machines ( SV's and triples ) the original F3 bikes or 250 2 smokes and the 400 multis now really only compete in posties.