Pakeha world views?

[terbang]

For what its worth, my parents are Scots and I was born in New Zealand along with my adopted brother who is Maori. He was about 10 inches long when mum and dad brought him home. I was about 18 months old then. We had a close and identical upbringing and we were, and still are brothers and good mates. Right from an early age his behavior and personal characteristics were quite different to mine. I guess you could say that he has always been typically Maori or Polynesian in his ways. Though he never really associated himself with Maori and still doesn't. Sure the Scot influence is certainly there and he has done his best to uphold our family values, however he is of the Polynesian breed. That is the difference.

[jetboy]

Problem is - I doubt we could find one system that suites all of us. In my view the normal European/British rule or system is classist, racist and inflexible of minority groups. But I'm yet to find a better one.
But I think the discussion is more about recognising that we are not 'one people' we are many people, rather than let that make you feel uncomfortable we should embrace diversity, celebrate our differing strengths

Of course we couldn't find a system that suits all of us - that is wishful thinking. But why, then, are there seperate systems for different groups? Why can I not vote on the Maori electorate roll, for example? Why is there a seperate elecotral roll? I ask these questions because I don't understand and don't know the answer!

Anyways, my original point has been lost a bit - I just don't like being called a Pakeha.

[Finn]

He was about 10 inches long when mum and dad brought him home.

That's undersized for a Maori. Your parents should have released him back.

[James Deuce]

Of course we couldn't find a system that suits all of us - that is wishful thinking. But why, then, are there seperate systems for different groups? Why can I not vote on the Maori electorate roll, for example? Why is there a seperate elecotral roll? I ask these questions because I don't understand and don't know the answer!

You need to do some reading then. Michael King's History of New Zealand is a good read and will tell you all you need to know. There's a huge lack of understanding on both sides of the equation coupled with belligerent counter views that want to bulldoze their own Gestalt through at the expense of a mature National identity. Both sides need to grow up, both sides need to open their minds, both sides need to grasp the concept of of change and ultimately deal with it.

[terbang]

That's undersized for a Maori. Your parents should have released him back.

Of course his size would mean something to you. Sorry to burst ya bubble there mate, but you don't see too many Maori bantam roosters and he grew up to be a tall man.

[smoky]

Of course we couldn't find a system that suits all of us - that is wishful thinking. But why, then, are there seperate systems for different groups? Why can I not vote on the Maori electorate roll, for example? Why is there a seperate elecotral roll? I ask these questions because I don't understand and don't know the answer!

First point - I think we are finding one that will come close to suiting us all; as we make changes to our current system it is becoming more and more inclusive of other ideals, MMP and other constitutional changes are morphing our system into a hybrid of it's original. I think NZ has the best system in the world presently.
As for the Maori Electoral role - it isn't exclusive, you can opt for either one.
Of course the idea is that you are of Maori descent.
I am unaware of any other 'separate systems for different groups' that you seem to think exist? There is a lot of paranoid myth amongst the angst ill-informed.
I would like to see the reintroduction of a second house - a Maori house, then do away with the Maori electoral role - any law/legislation/act could be introduced by either house but would need to be passed in both to come into effect.
The right to govern in partnership with Maori - as per the treaty!

Anyways, my original point has been lost a bit - I just don't like being called a Pakeha.

My original answer; whose calling you Pakeha?
So we're all good then - you don't like it, no ones using it (anymore)

[sidecar bob]

My original answer; whose calling you Pakeha?
So we're all good then - you don't like it, no ones using it (anymore)

The Gubbimint is ow.

[James Deuce]

The Gubbimint is ow.

That's "Au".

[jetboy]

You need to do some reading then. Michael King's History of New Zealand is a good read and will tell you all you need to know. There's a huge lack of understanding on both sides of the equation coupled with belligerent counter views that want to bulldoze their own Gestalt through at the expense of a mature National identity. Both sides need to grow up, both sides need to open their minds, both sides need to grasp the concept of of change and ultimately deal with it.

Thanks for the info - will source this book at the library next time I am there and read up!

[Skyryder]

1.The Maori would have stunk just as bad as any sealer
2.Do you have a reference for that definition?

Maori were relitively clean as against an unwashed sailor.


Nope but many years back when I worked and socialised (Sunday rugby etc)with maori this is what I was told. There have been other occasions when this description has been confirmed.

I think you would find it nigh on impossible to confirm this due to the now general acceptance of the word. Many kiwi's do not find the word objectionable that's their choice..........just not mine.

There are other interpetations of the word's meaning but they all have to do with pigs.


Skyryder

[scumdog]

There are other interpetations of the word's meaning but they all have to do with pigs.


Skyryder

Then I'm doubly offended..

[smoky]

I think you would find it nigh on impossible to confirm this ..

There are other interpetations of the word's meaning but they all have to do with pigs.

From what I understand; no one really knows where it came from.
One explination offered by missonaries in the late 1800's was that early settlers used the expresion 'bugger ya' a lot - an Maori adopted it as 'pakeha'

Another line of thought was if you look at the break down of the word in Te Reo it could mean; Pah Keha - Pah being the village and Keha being a small insect like a flea - which was believed to have come to NZ via animals from settlers?

But who knows

[smoky]

The Gubbimint is ow.

In this we'll have to disagree
It is never used to describe ethnicity or nationality
Perhaps you are as mistaken as you were with your passport

[sidecar bob]

In this we'll have to disagree
It is never used to describe ethnicity or nationality
Perhaps you are as mistaken as you were with your passport

Ahh, no au, go and find yourself an ACC45 form, if you cant i will.

[Skyryder]

From what I understand; no one really knows where it came from.
One explination offered by missonaries in the late 1800's was that early settlers used the expresion 'bugger ya' a lot - an Maori adopted it as 'pakeha'

Another line of thought was if you look at the break down of the word in Te Reo it could mean; Pah Keha - Pah being the village and Keha being a small insect like a flea - which was believed to have come to NZ via animals from settlers?

But who knows

http://maorinews.com/writings/papers/other/pakeha.htm

As good a link as any.

Skyryder