Huntly, we have a problem...

[ricey]

I hear what you are saying but what if a current team owner was the commissioner and there was a protest affecting his team?

Here's your answer, well said I might add.

Paul Stewart is a man of honour with old world sensibilities and etiquette.

[FROSTY:Me]

I stand corrected Billy.
If that is indeed the case then again I go back to What is the role MNZ needs to play and how are they better able to serve that role.
If that is the case then is it better to have a person with a love of our sport up there in the most senior position OR
Perhaps a professional manager or promotions person with proven track record for perfomance.?

[Scouse]

Choppa, dont be fooled. This is the same guy that told a meeting of distributors that ''they were putting peanuts into racing'' They were very insulted and its only because of good people such as Paul Stewart, Warren New and Guy Merewether that they didnt collectively pull out on the spot.
Paul has good intentions but the way he wants to go about it demonstrates that he either doesnt know about the suspension and tyre interaction dynamics of high powered race bikes or doesnt want to know.
MNZ is supposed to be a democracy, its not, its an autocracy.

Piss off your only worried that if Pav has his way you will loose business because every thing will be stock standard and suspension Mods amongst many other expensive modifications will not be allowed in order to keep the cost down, this has got to be better than what is happening now. Look if all you need is a standard bike, then this will allow the likes of young guys who don't have any sponsor money, to compete on a level playing field. All they will need is the $20,000 bike. at the moment the sport is very elitist with only those that have sponsors with deep pockets are able to place in the top rankings. Stewart needs to realise that the sport needs privateers to be able to compete. if this means that after market parts dealers are a casualty of this, tough shit.

[cowpoos]

Andrew Stroud.

Actually...Now that I think about it. I'd second that.

[Scouse]

If Paul Stewarts ex boss got his way with his looniest ideas it would be A CERTAINTY that the big 3 distributors who put a lot of money into the sport would pull out. He is alreday effectively ''on notice'' re their goodwill over historical derogatory comments about their level of support.

Oh yes if I were you robert taylor I would be very carefull about disscussing someones confidential employment status on an open internet forum.

[FROSTY:Me]

Hey folks I'm hearing you guys up in arms.
BUT Wasn't Paul S discussing retiring as RRC 2 years ago ?
Im not saying that recent events havent galvanised him into action but are we sure he wasn't going to go anyway ?

[Robert Taylor]

Piss off your only worried that if Pav has his way you will loose business because every thing will be stock standard and suspension Mods amongst many other expensive modifications will not be allowed in order to keep the cost down, this has got to be better than what is happening now. Look if all you need is a standard bike, then this will allow the likes of young guys who don't have any sponsor money, to compete on a level playing field. All they will need is the $20,000 bike. at the moment the sport is very elitist with only those that have sponsors with deep pockets are able to place in the top rankings. Stewart needs to realise that the sport needs privateers to be able to compete. if this means that after market parts dealers are a casualty of this, tough shit.

Ill take it that from your less than endearing remarks that like the said character you actually know very little about the interaction of tyres and suspension with modern high powered motorcycles. Lucky that there are people within MNZ that actually do, including Paul Stewart.
There are many very well subscribed series such as VMCC, the Nationals are elite, like any sporting codes.

[Robert Taylor]

Oh yes if I were you robert taylor I would be very carefull about disscussing someones confidential employment status on an open internet forum.

Statement of fact and common knowledge in the industry. The said person is not employed by the industry but if he chooses to upset those who put in the most funding then hes got to accept that he has made the bed that he has to lie on. I have no qualms in directly saying that he has to go.

[Scouse]

Ill take it that from your less than endearing remarks that like the said character you actually know very little about the interaction of tyres and suspension with modern high powered motorcycles. Lucky that there are people within MNZ that actually do, including Paul Stewart.
There are many very well subscribed series such as VMCC, the Nationals are elite, like any sporting codes.

You are just looking at it from your perspective, which is that if production racing becomes exactly that ie bikes as they come of the production line, you stand to lose business so in reality you are just looking at it from a position of self interest.

[cowpoos]

You are just looking at it from your perspective, which is that if production racing becomes exactly that ie bikes as they come of the production line, you stand to lose business so in reality you are just looking at it from a position of self interest.

Nah....think you might find you'd loose a heap of riders dude.

I could show you why some day at a track...I'll bring a 2x divers weight belts...and we'll experiment with your bikes handling by adding weight to different area's. you'll see the wheat for the chaff pretty quick!!

[Robert Taylor]

You are just looking at it from your perspective, which is that if production racing becomes exactly that ie bikes as they come of the production line, you stand to lose business so in reality you are just looking at it from a position of self interest.

Wells thats whats in your pipe and you are smoking it. Im actually looking at it from the perspective of the whole industry, bike suppliers and parts suppliers and all the hundreds of people they employ. There are also many many sound technical reasons why you have to make a production motorcycle and its intercation with tyres and its own stability more suitable for the track. But no need to repeat myself again.
I think that Ive got the interests of hundreds of people at heart, hardly selfish and not afraid to speak out.

[Scouse]

Wells thats whats in your pipe and you are smoking it. Im actually looking at it from the perspective of the whole industry, bike suppliers and parts suppliers and all the hundreds of people they employ. There are also many many sound technical reasons why you have to make a production motorcycle and its intercation with tyres and its own stability more suitable for the track. But no need to repeat myself again.
I think that Ive got the interests of hundreds of people at heart, hardly selfish and not afraid to speak out.

Production races should be about the riders and their motorcycles, and not the performance accessories industry for fuck sake we are in a recession. the young up and coming riders that do not have substantial sponsorships who earn less than $30,000 per year can not afford expensive suspension and engine mods, this is why in road racing the field is dwindling.

[GSVR]

Choppa, dont be fooled. This is the same guy that told a meeting of distributors that ''they were putting peanuts into racing'' They were very insulted and its only because of good people such as Paul Stewart, Warren New and Guy Merewether that they didnt collectively pull out on the spot.
Paul has good intentions but the way he wants to go about it demonstrates that he either doesnt know about the suspension and tyre interaction dynamics of high powered race bikes or doesnt want to know.
MNZ is supposed to be a democracy, its not, its an autocracy.

Ill take it that from your less than endearing remarks that like the said character you actually know very little about the interaction of tyres and suspension with modern high powered motorcycles. Lucky that there are people within MNZ that actually do, including Paul Stewart.
There are many very well subscribed series such as VMCC, the Nationals are elite, like any sporting codes.

This interaction of which you speak. At what power level is a motorcycle considered to be "high powered" ? and what year did motocycles become modern?

I would hazard a guess to say that theres possibly less than a handful or less in New Zealand that understand these interactions and by their own admition its more an experimental than exact science. Lucky riders have you guys looking after them or there would be carnage!

[Scouse]

I think that Ive got the interests of hundreds of people at heart, hardly selfish and not afraid to speak out.

who is that then? yourself the ohlins dealer and maybe the Yoshimura dealer? Oh I forgot and Paul Stewart who is the father inlaw of the Yoshimura dealer that adds up to three by my calculations.

[Tony.OK]

Production races should be about the riders and their motorcycles, and not the performance accessories industry for fuck sake we are in a recession. the young up and coming riders that do not have substantial sponsorships who earn less than $30,000 per year can not afford expensive suspension and engine mods, this is why in road racing the field is dwindling.

So whats stopping anyone from competing on a stock bike at the moment? If they are good they would still be ahead of last place.
Protwin is about as close to production racing as you can get and the numbers there are hardly staggering.
Most people I've met start out with stock and soon realise they want to go faster, and in any sport that means spending money.

I've ridden mine stock and a rear tyre didn't even last a day at pace, change of shock and I can get 3 days from a rear now. Initial outlay gets recouped pretty quick if you are at the track often,