Red Fridays?

[James Deuce]

Precisely ... which usually results in devastation, pain and suffering ... male dominance .. more men in positions of power than women ... cannot dispute the some women do play a part .. but as a whole?

Gender is relevent James ..

No it isn't. As I previously pointed out there have been at least as many Women in the same positions of power who have behaved as required in any given situation. You're letting the last 40 years worth of feminist rhetoric blind you to the bulk of human existence having a matriarchal flavour in regard to political power.

There's a curious undertone to your message that you think that men have had more choice in the course of their lives than women. "Men" have only had the vote for approx. 50 years more than women in British society. The vast majority of every political system in Europe was the same. Prior to the Industrial revolution men and women were equal legal entities with every Western political system you can think of. They were little better than serfs and owning and running a business did nothing to elevate you within society. Even now a small number of people own all the land in the UK.

YOu have war to thank for the reversal of the social expectations created by the deconstruction of a way of life to fuel first an Industrial Revolution and then an attempt to colonise the planet. Without WWII's demand for "manpower", womanpower would have remained a secret.

Elizabeth I created the paradigm that lead to the modern world. A chick. Queen Isabel of Spain created a model for a vicious, vindictive, female ruler when she expelled the Moors, Jews, and Celts from Spain and ruthlessly started exterminating Basques.

Women are just as good as men at war, genocide, and despotism. Just because a woman does it, doesn't make it a righteous feminist activity.

Modern Post-Feminist/4th wave Feminist society is starting to approach the gender equity that existed in pre-industrial times. Both genders through a combination of debt burden and a stulifying cost of living have to slave day and night to stay on the game, let alone ahead of it. Just like the old days.

It's outrageous to assume that all history is dominated by male atrocity. That's rhetoric without substance. Certainly the last 200 years have been weird, but they are not representative of history as a whole, just western European history, especially in regard to political systems born during that period. How could they not reflect social mores though?

[Hans]

I totally disagree ... what is a 'good war' ?????

Ego/power/greed (simplified by lack of cock) definitely has it's relevence. Perhaps not a term you are comfortable with, I will refrain from this description.

The apology was not for you personally .. it was in the event you have taken what I have said out of context ... which apparently it still does ...

We will obviously agree to disagree.

I must have matured a bit in the not-so-distant past.
Not long ago a post like this, using expressions like "lack of cock, small cock, male-dominated, gender is relevant" etc, would have had me shouting: "NOT ANOTHER FUCKING TIN-POT MARXIST-FEMINIST REGURGITATING THE BULLSHIT SHE WAS SPOON FED AT SCHOOL! Next she'll be telling us she's also a victim of something or other."

No sir, not anymore. I have matured.

Now all I can say is this:

[fire eyes]

I must have matured a bit in the not-so-distant past.
Not long ago a post like this, using expressions like "lack of cock, small cock, male-dominated, gender is relevant" etc, would have had me shouting: "NOT ANOTHER FUCKING TIN-POT MARXIST-FEMINIST REGURGITATING THE BULLSHIT SHE WAS SPOON FED AT SCHOOL! Next she'll be telling us she's also a victim of something or other."

No sir, not anymore. I have matured.

Now all I can say is this:

Yes, because your response makes it all better.

[Hans]

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand. I also don't quite understand what some perceived "male domination" or "small cockedness" has to do with the original topic. Maybe I just didn't take FemPols101 at uni?

[fire eyes]

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand. I also don't quite understand what some perceived "male domination" or "smalled cockedness" has to do with the original topic. Maybe I just didn't take FemPols101 at uni?

I didn't do it either ... shall we take a class?

Yes and your right .. my take on not supporting the Red Friday was because I don't support war or people going to war or initiating war or doing things to incite war or violence. I should have been more specific about that. The rest followed on from that.

Also the 'cock terms' .. were probably not the most appropriate terms to use. Granted. I will refrain from those in the future.

[Hans]

I didn't do it either ... shall we take a class?

Yes and your right .. my take on not supporting the Red Friday was because I don't support war or people going to war or initiating war or doing things to incite war or violence. I should have been more specific about that. The rest followed on from that.

Also the 'cock terms' .. were probably not the most appropriate terms to use. Granted. I will refrain from those in the future.

See what we do when we get pissed off with each other. Yeah small cock comments don't go down any better than ones about tin-pot marxists, I expect. I can't agree with your view of war, but that's your own opinion and I'll respect it as such. Do you not support war under any circumstances? Does this mean there is no such thing as a just war, in your eyes? Please explain why. I'm curious.

[fire eyes]

See what we do when we get pissed off with each other. Yeah small cock comments don't go down any better than ones about tin-pot marxists, I expect. I can't agree with your view of war, but that's your own opinion and I'll respect it as such. Do you not support war under any circumstances? Does this mean there is no such thing as a just war, in your eyes? Please explain why. I'm curious.

I'm pissed off with the on-going needless misery, pain and suffering ... the fighting .. the chaos & destruction .. no I do not support any war .. I do not support control initiated by one country over another .. I do not support control by one person over another (the initiators or those that incite) .. in my eyes ... the armed forces (and thats what the topic is about) are told what to do by the governments .. or am I wrong? So supporting them would be supporting the notion that using force is ok ... this is why I'v kept posting in this thread ... there has got to be a better way. And no I am not a feminist at all .. I believe in equality .. but to think there is no male dominance on this planet in positions of power .. and using that power for thier own selfishness & benefit? I still have yet for that to settle and make peace in my mind. I am reading what you guys are posting .. so don't think I am not hearing .. or on a feminist rampage because I am not .. I am expressing my opinion as you are ..

[Gubb]

How would YOU have stopped Mr A. Hitler?

Cup of tea and a chat about letting the Jews go?

Given that unfortunately Evil does exist, and something must be done about it.

[fire eyes]

How would YOU have stopped Mr A. Hitler?

Cup of tea and a chat about letting the Jews go?

Ideally .. Mr A Hitler wouldn't even be a name that was globally recognised ..

And hey .. your asking the question .. so I am answering.

[Hans]

Ideally .. Mr A Hitler wouldn't even be a name that was globally recognised ..

And hey .. your asking the question .. so I am answering.

The problem is he IS a name that is globally recognised. This is an unpleasant reality, just as many things happening in the world today are real. And we cannot wish them away by talking about how things should be in an ideal world.
How do you communicate with someone, who's only language is violence and oppression? As Gubb said, do you invite them for a cuppa? I'm sure you're aware that negotiation is often a sign of weakness in many "cultures". I'm sure you're also aware that there is, for example, a certain religion, who's believers aren't morally bound to uphold an agreement with, or promise to, a non-believer.
Just how do you suggest we deal with them?
Do we say "Oh we're frightfully sorry, we don't condone violence, so just take over Europe here, and establish Sharia law and I'm sure we'll just get along just fine"?
Do we say "Could we please negotiate about you not overrunning our country?"
Or what do we say, when negotiation and reasoning are not a language someone understands?

I'm sure you'll be tempted to say, that in an ideal world it wouldn't have to be like that and we could all just get along. Unfortunately, as far as I see it, this is not an ideal world and no, we can't all get along. Cue the armed forces enter stage right.

[fire eyes]

The problem is he IS a name that is globally recognised. This is an unpleasant reality, just as many things happening in the world today are real. And we cannot wish them away by talking about how things should be in an ideal world.
How do you communicate with someone, who's only language is violence and oppression? As Gubb said, do you invite them for a cuppa? I'm sure you're aware that negotiation is often a sign of weakness in many "cultures". I'm sure you're also aware that there is, for example, a certain religion, who's believers aren't morally bound to uphold an agreement with, or promise to, a non-believer.
Just how do you suggest we deal with them?
Do we say "Oh we're frightfully sorry, we don't condone violence, so just take over Europe here, and establish Sharia law and I'm sure we'll just get along just fine"?
Do we say "Could we please negotiate about you not overrunning our country?"
Or what do we say, when negotiation and reasoning are not a language someone understands.

I'm sure you'll be tempted to say, that in an ideal world it wouldn't have to be like that and we could all just get along. Unfortunately, as far as I see it, this is not an ideal world and no, we can't all get along. Cue the armed forces enter stage right.

I know it's not a reality all living in harmony, holding hands and singing happy songs .. but when does it end .. when does it end .. violence incurring violence .. force incurring force ... retaliation .. it's an on-going cycle .. tit for tat .. I do not have the solutions for this ... I would like to think all peoples would find some common ground and work together for a common good ... these fundamental things would be established if power & control were not a factor ..

I still cannot revert to supporting Armed Forces in this regard.

[KiwiRat]

I would not support red Friday.

For one day of the week, we would all look like Mongrel Mob supporters.

[Dave Lobster]

I would not support red Friday.

For one day of the week, we would all look like Mongrel Mob supporters.

Taking it a stage further.. we could kill people who wear yellow shirts. That's normal behaviour, in some parts of the country.

[SARGE]

NZ is one of the least patriotic nations i have ever been to


i support troops of any kind that are willing to defend thier nation ( the friendly ones anyway)


but a better way of showing your support for them is actually HEADING OUT TO THE OLD SOLDIERS HOME AND SPEND SOME TIME WITH THE OLD FELLAS..

go to the RSA and order 2 beers and find the oldest fossil in there and sit down and pass him a beer ..

not only do you brighten up someones day that desperately deserves it .. you get some great history lessons


politics aside folks .. these young men and women who serve deserve your respect.. war is horrible and it forever changes you (yes .. i speak from firsthand experience)..

you can get a package together with teabags, lollies, cookies etc ( GOOD TOILET PAPER!) and address it to

ANY NZ SOLDIER
AFGANISTAN

if the NZ postal system is anything like the US one , it will get to one

fuck a hollow symbolic support .. DO something for the boys.. it will mean more

[Swoop]

except for a few Generals born in the '20s and '30s (all retired during the '80s) who really struggle with the idea of chicks killing people. The US Navy's logistics arm is run by a woman, the first US woman promoted to Admiral's rank in a fleet command position. Logistics are the most single important factor in killing lots of people.

Do not forget about the all female F-14 Tomcat crew, who "laid waste with bomb and bullet" in the Gulf War.

How would YOU have stopped Mr A. Hitler?
Cup of tea and a chat about letting the Jews go?

Neville Chamberlain stepped off of an aircraft waving a piece of paper and declaring "Peace in our time".
He ended up declaring war on a global superpower then disappeared into obscurity, leaving someone else to clean up the mess...
Fucking limp-wristed faggot politicians cause half of the problems.

I would not support red Friday.
For one day of the week, we would all look like Mongrel Mob supporters.

Or worse. Labour supporters...