Veitch sentenced

[ital916]

I can't believe the number of people in this thread who support the notion that if a woman is a "bitch" she deserves to be put in hospital.

NZ's incredibly bad domestic violence record is obviously the result of a sick culture, and we're in a worse state than I thought. There are Women's Refuges all over the country full of "bitches", kids beaten to within and inch of their life (and sometimes beyond) because they're naughty.

I disagreed with the anti-smacking bill purely on the grounds that the average NZer didn't need Government legislation to dictate their behaviour toward anyone.

I was wrong.

There's enough people in this thread sticking up for a violent, convicted, "wife" basher for me to do a 180 degree turn on that. It's not kicking him when he's down. Most people not sticking up for the ex-TV presenter are just stunned that being a "celebrity" nets you a 50/50 split in public opinion about whether you're an OK guy or not, when the X-rays speak for themselves.

Just so we're clear, it is not OK to assault someone because they piss you off.

ah but it is okay then to turn and accept that the person who committed the mistake of using violence shall be abused and be mentally traumatised as well.

If you made a mistake two three years ago, if you snapped whilst at a party and hurt someone but you regretted it soon after, was still be punished, your were still being dragged through the mud etc even years after the incident.

Even if you hate veitch, his state at the moment is hurting his parents, his wife, his siblings. What have they done to the nz public. Stick the pitchforks back into your pants.

[Mom]

He is emotionally traumatised by his actions and the place he has found himself in. Full stop, end of story. He for whatever reason bashed this woman, he has said he is sorry and he has appeared in court and been sentenced. This should be the end of it, but no.

He is by his own actions and most likely with the advice of his media people continuing to keep this issue front page.

Trust me on this, men (and probably women) in this mind set simply have no off button, they are obsessed with getting their side of the story told, they want to be seen as something better than what they are, they want things to be put right. This bloke is in trouble personally, he is not well, of that there is no doubt, but his continued attempts to re-spin himself into a more positive place are simply failing.

The sooner he realises that he needs to put his head down and get out of the spotlight the better. He needs to keep a low profile and work on rebuilding his mental health.

[discotex]

I can't believe the number of people in this thread who support the notion that if a woman is a "bitch" she deserves to be put in hospital.

Ahhh ok. Not sure what posts you're reading. I don't see anyone who's saying that or even implying that.

Just so we're clear, it is not OK to assault someone because they piss you off.

When was that ever in dispute?


Since when is it ok to revel in someones failing mental health (however much it may be deserved or brought on himself)? Some of the gleeful comments and encouragement for Tony to finish the job suicide-wise are plain sick.

[trustme]

The lynch mob lives. Such an ugly thing to witness.

[James Deuce]

Ahhh ok. Not sure what posts you're reading. I don't see anyone who's saying that or even implying that.



When was that ever in dispute?


Since when is it ok to revel in someones failing mental health (however much it may be deserved or brought on himself)? Some of the gleeful comments and encouragement for Tony to finish the job suicide-wise are plain sick.

Many people in this thread,practically a 50% split have suggested that KDP deserved to have her back broken because "she pushed him into it".

I'm not revelling in his mental health issues. I'm the last person who can claim a rational platform to argue that mental health isn't a reason for any amount of bizarre behaviour. I'd like to think that I wouldn't resort to kicking the crap out of someone because they pissed me off though.

I'm disgusted that the above excuse can even be posited and some of the commentary seen in public suggests the same thing. NZ's domestic violence issue is much worse than I ever thought because it seems to be an intrinsic dark thread in our society that it's OK to beat the little woman to a pulp.

ah but it is okay then to turn and accept that the person who committed the mistake of using violence shall be abused and be mentally traumatised as well.

If you made a mistake two three years ago, if you snapped whilst at a party and hurt someone but you regretted it soon after, was still be punished, your were still being dragged through the mud etc even years after the incident.

Even if you hate veitch, his state at the moment is hurting his parents, his wife, his siblings. What have they done to the nz public. Stick the pitchforks back into your pants.

It's not a mistake to beat someone until their back is broken. It's a violent assault and he is not the sort of person I want presented as "celebrity" in NZ. I don't "hate" anyone, let alone Tony Veitch. He has committed a crime and been punished. Everything else is a sideshow.

My comment is entirely about the attitude that is prevalent in this thread that because KDP is either a manipulative bitch or the cold architect of Tony Veitch's "demise" she deserved to be beaten until her back was broken. That attitude has been conveyed in writing in this thread and verbally to me by a surprising number of people, and it makes me sick. Thankfully I've learned anough to not respond to the verbal pronouncements with anythin gother than a deflection.

There's no statute of limitations in NZ. If you committed a dumb crime in your teenage years, such as sex with a minor for instance, and the ex-girfriend decides to make an issue of it 20 years later, you still have to answer the charge.

[CookMySock]

This isn't an isolated case, its just a good example of an "advanced" one. The main problem is, folks just have no idea of the nuts and bolts of relationships. They were, and are, equally horrified at they position the ended up in, and to a great extent have owned up to this. It's a shame he took his frustrations out on her, because now he is in the can, where before that they were equally responsible for a positive outcome.

So what is the solution? As always, it is knowledge. Rhetorical questions - how does this power struggle work? Why is it there? Why do we choose relationships where it exists? Why is it overdeveloped in some relationships?

If you and your mate are power-struggling, you owe it to the relationship to at least understand the process.

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Steve

[MisterD]

Many people in this thread,practically a 50% split have suggested that KDP deserved to have her back broken because "she pushed him into it".

I think you're confusing "explain" with "excuse"...I believe the former exists but the latter does not...

[Beemer]

The thing that amazes me with this is how both sides have been courting the media, trying to pin the blame on each other for what happened. I don't condone violence of any sort against a woman (or anyone for that matter, including against animals) but the fact is, he kicked her and she was badly injured. He paid for that mistake financially and then lost his jobs, etc, but then it still went to court anyway and he was made to accept the blame in public.

If, at that point, both sides had said "time to move on, we have NO COMMENT to make at all", the story would most likely have died a natural death in a few days and life would have moved on. As it is, both sides are now dragging this out, no doubt both will be chased by the women's magazines for 'their side of the story' and it will not go away for a long time.

I understand the Sunday programme on Veitch that was meant to air last night was pulled out of respect for his family after he was found in a distressed state and there is talk of yet another suicide attempt. I'm sorry, but for such a 'successful' guy, how come he's failed to commit suicide about half a dozen times so far? He's not really trying to kill himself, I think he's just realised it's an effective strategy to gain some sympathy from certain sectors of the community.

Both of them need to shut their doors to the media and refuse to give them any more fodder. I do not think their story deserved to lead the bloody television news the other night - someone said it was the first 15 minutes! Sorry, but did nothing of greater importance happen anywhere in the world that day?

To be honest, I used to like his style as a sports presenter but now I am just sick of hearing about him and her.

[Patrick]

Many people in this thread,practically a 50% split have suggested that KDP deserved to have her back broken because "she pushed him into it".

.... NZ's domestic violence issue is much worse than I ever thought because it seems to be an intrinsic dark thread in our society that it's OK to beat the little woman to a pulp.

My comment is entirely about the attitude that is prevalent in this thread that because KDP is either a manipulative bitch or the cold architect of Tony Veitch's "demise" she deserved to be beaten until her back was broken. That attitude has been conveyed in writing in this thread and verbally to me by a surprising number of people, and it makes me sick. Thankfully I've learned anough to not respond to the verbal pronouncements with anythin gother than a deflection.

With Disco on this... I too have trouble seeing where anyone said "she deserved it."

She pushed his buttons? Probably.... chicks do that so well...

He lost it and kicked her while she was down? Yep. Nowhere do I see anyone saying "That was OK then."

She might very well be manipulative... who knows or who cares? He broke her back and it cost him a job and $160,000. A fair sentence, the worst by far that I have ever seen. Most get community service only as a first time offender.

He has wished her well and has been remorseful, and to suggest he hasn't, well...... not on the news items I've seen.... but for him to drag it on for another year or two after 8 suicide attempts now on his part isn't helping anyone get over it... him, her or the media... or KB......

[Patrick]

Get your facts right, not 5 or 6 attempts and no one can have total control over him 24/7.

His wife said there were publicised ones and there have been others. She said there have been 7 attempts, and this was before Ngaruawahia (number 8...)

[HenryDorsetCase]

didnt he send a text message to a newspaper? "Woe is me Im going to end it all"?

Something like that I believe. All he is doing is setting up the emotional harm he has suffered so that his defamation case has more legs, and trying to sucker a gullible public into feeling sorry for him, the wife beating weasel.

Yet one of the defences for defamation is truth, and he admitted kicking that woman and breaking her back.

Its part of his PR teams strategy to rehabilitiate the scumbag. As the Who would say "Dont be fooled again".

I think the Judge erred seriously by not issuing gag orders on both sides. No discussion with the media in any form after the case.

[James Deuce]

If you support the excuse, you support the culture that says it's OK to bash a mouthy woman. There is no excuse for bashing someone.

She did not in any way deserve that, nor did she "push" him into it.

"Women are good at that"?

Come on!!

[mynameis]

ah but it is okay then to turn and accept that the person who committed the mistake of using violence shall be abused and be mentally traumatised as well.

If you made a mistake two three years ago, if you snapped whilst at a party and hurt someone but you regretted it soon after, was still be punished, your were still being dragged through the mud etc even years after the incident.

Even if you hate veitch, his state at the moment is hurting his parents, his wife, his siblings. What have they done to the nz public. Stick the pitchforks back into your pants.

+1

Ahhh ok. Not sure what posts you're reading. I don't see anyone who's saying that or even implying that.



When was that ever in dispute?


Since when is it ok to revel in someones failing mental health (however much it may be deserved or brought on himself)? Some of the gleeful comments and encouragement for Tony to finish the job suicide-wise are plain sick.

+1

Just shows how good people are stomping someone when they are down.

Some people's thinking are sick.

[Pixie]

What a wanker Veitch is.

One does not make multiple failed suicide attempts.

It is called attention seeking

[Hitcher]

It is called attention seeking

Absolutely. Going for a drive down the Waikato expressway from Auckland and parking up in the first right hand side road one finds hardly smacks of a concerted attempt to "disappear". Particularly after one has rung every media outlet in christendom and most emergency services prior to leaving home.