the progressive workers' strike

**Hitcher** · 10th September 2006, 21:37

I am interested to note the number of folk posting here who seem to believe that the Progressive workers' strike is all about money. Oh that it were so simple.

**Finn** · 10th September 2006, 21:43

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Yeah, that's it. Put people put off work in the name of 'efficiency', in reality meaning more profits for the few. Then let the poor mug taxpayer pick up the bill for the social chaos that ensues.

Jesus Lou, something's really got you going lately.

**98tls** · 10th September 2006, 22:08

I just got back from ch-ch an hour ago and saw all those guys with banners waving etc..got to hand it to them there determined....gotta disagree with a post back abit though about raising kids on a low wage...if you cant afford them dont fucken have them...besides the bloody government giving you handouts to raise your kids anyway....something i reckon is bullshit indeed,cant see any reason for the government (read as the rest of NZ ) to pay for your bloody kids........the rest of us get no handouts nor expect any...

**speedpro** · 10th September 2006, 22:55

Originally Posted by Finn

Yeah, I'm out of Cornflakes!

I can sell you cornflakes, , for a price!

**cowboyz** · 11th September 2006, 07:16

Oh how great it would be to live in this fantasy world of renegade and 98tls where everything goes as planned and life never throws you a curveball. I know of one guy who worked at foodstuffs on the floor. Hell of a nice guy. showed up for work and did his work well. Worked 6 days a week and supported his girlfriend and their 2 year old son. Really was quite proud of his family. I am sure you have met the type. Anyway, his girlfriend got pregant again. His showed great concern on how he would afford to raise another. He was doing alright on low income with 1 child but 2? Never seen a guy get so stressed so quickly until he found out he was having twins. Now he has 3 under 3. Up against the grindstone and still working as hard as he can to support his family. Sure he could probably drop off working and his girlfriend could go on the dpb and they would probably make more money. Would that be the smart thing to do? It was often said that money is like sex and air... it doesn't matter till your not getting any.

I have lived a fortunate life and consider myself lucky for the ventures that I have taken on that have secured a lifestyle that I don't have to worry too much about things. Giving up farming last year and moving to town we have taken a substaincial drop in income and these days things are done on a stict budget. I do not forsee things staying like this forever but have also been fortunate enough to meet and be considerate enough of others to see their plight for what it is. I remember once when I was working on a contract up north for a very wealthy famer (we are talking multi-millions) and we were fortunate enough to buy into a contract that enabled us to raise our children in a fashion that that didn't want for anything. It was the time when the 'once were warriors' movie came out. We were sitting at an evening dinner eating well and drinking wine and the discussion turned to the movie. The owners wife was sitting across the table, well dressed and content with her life. I looked around the 3 million dollar home she owned and the thousands of dollars of jewelery that she has round her neck and her words were so cutting that I couldn't believe I was in the same room and I will never forget. What did she say?

Quote.."The movie was just stupid. Things like that don't happen in real life!"

**Finn** · 11th September 2006, 08:12

I find it sad how a lot of you have been tarred with the Kiwi brush of perfecting non achievement and blaming everything and everybody for the one thing you’ve succeeded in. The NZ attitude that anybody who has some money is evil and runs sweatshops is just small island thinking as a result of years of social engineering that have turned a lot of you into good for nothing, pathetic puppets.

Fact: There will always be poor people. You can't change that. So, get of your lazy arses and do something with your meaningless lives. What ever happened to self responsibility and accountability?

Stupid islanders. (That's NZ for the simpletons)

**The Pastor** · 11th September 2006, 10:27

dubble post

**The Pastor** · 11th September 2006, 10:29

Originally Posted by cowboyz

Oh how great it would be to live in this fantasy world of renegade and 98tls where everything goes as planned and life never throws you a curveball. I know of one guy who worked at foodstuffs on the floor. Hell of a nice guy. showed up for work and did his work well. Worked 6 days a week and supported his girlfriend and their 2 year old son. Really was quite proud of his family. I am sure you have met the type. Anyway, his girlfriend got pregant again. His showed great concern on how he would afford to raise another. He was doing alright on low income with 1 child but 2? Never seen a guy get so stressed so quickly until he found out he was having twins. Now he has 3 under 3. Up against the grindstone and still working as hard as he can to support his family. Sure he could probably drop off working and his girlfriend could go on the dpb and they would probably make more money. Would that be the smart thing to do? It was often said that money is like sex and air... it doesn't matter till your not getting any.

I have lived a fortunate life and consider myself lucky for the ventures that I have taken on that have secured a lifestyle that I don't have to worry too much about things. Giving up farming last year and moving to town we have taken a substaincial drop in income and these days things are done on a stict budget. I do not forsee things staying like this forever but have also been fortunate enough to meet and be considerate enough of others to see their plight for what it is. I remember once when I was working on a contract up north for a very wealthy famer (we are talking multi-millions) and we were fortunate enough to buy into a contract that enabled us to raise our children in a fashion that that didn't want for anything. It was the time when the 'once were warriors' movie came out. We were sitting at an evening dinner eating well and drinking wine and the discussion turned to the movie. The owners wife was sitting across the table, well dressed and content with her life. I looked around the 3 million dollar home she owned and the thousands of dollars of jewelery that she has round her neck and her words were so cutting that I couldn't believe I was in the same room and I will never forget. What did she say?

Quote.."The movie was just stupid. Things like that don't happen in real life!"

If you aint got the rubber, no hubba hubba.

You can get benifits for low income + kids.

If you budget you can raise 3 kids on $11.50 and save.

50 hour week at 11.50 = 575

Less tax of 20% (it might be less but thats my tax rate and im low/ non existant income)

Tax @ 20% of 575 = 115

Income after tax per week $460

Plus benifits (no idea how much this is but i'd guess at 200 a week? more for more than 2 kids?)

Plus income/child support from other parent.

so you'd be on at least 800 a week after tax.

thats 41 grand a year. SORTED.

The point is bringing a kid into this messed up world is a very serrious event. I personally don't think enough planning/ effort is put into the decion making. Yeah I know this is a hard thing to do, its as hard as my cock on a friday night mate.

**Pixie** · 11th September 2006, 11:42

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Unions got a very bad reputation when they became all powerful but funnily enough in that time, the 'average' Kiwi enjoyed a very good standard of living and many of us look back on it as a kind of Golden Age...

The break up of the unions and the great changes that occured were very advantageous to many people. If you were smart and could look after yourself, you did very well and yet there were many people who did not do so good.

The unions are self interested bludgers
In 1980 I asked the union to help me get a pay increase.
The responce: "sorry bud ,you're on the award"
As soon as possible I dumped them and began making real money.
I suspect this is a common experience

**Paul in NZ** · 11th September 2006, 12:29

Originally Posted by Pixie

The unions are self interested bludgers
In 1980 I asked the union to help me get a pay increase.
The responce: "sorry bud ,you're on the award"
As soon as possible I dumped them and began making real money.
I suspect this is a common experience

Not all Unions are so inclined and thats certainly not why Unions were originally formed. I suspect there are also a GREAT man people now considerably worse off than they were under the union system.

I thought Ross Wilsons (pres CTU) comments in this mornings Dom Post were well written and quite interesting reading.

Paul N

**terbang** · 11th September 2006, 15:05

Originally Posted by Hitcher

I am interested to note the number of folk posting here who seem to believe that the Progressive workers' strike is all about money. Oh that it were so simple.

Yeah it is about money. Shareholders money..

**terbang** · 11th September 2006, 15:07

Originally Posted by renegade master

Sif I'll buy my goceries where I like. And that will be were ever is cheapest. I dont care how much the staff get payed or how much pollution the company puts out.

So then as a worker (and I see you are) your conditions, therefore lifestyle, will continue to deteiorate.

**The Pastor** · 11th September 2006, 15:14

Originally Posted by terbang

So then as a worker (and I see you are) your conditions, therefore lifestyle, will continue to deteiorate.

why? 10 chars?

**terbang** · 11th September 2006, 15:58

Originally Posted by Finn

Fact: There will always be poor people. You can't change that. So, get of your lazy arses and do something with your meaningless lives. What ever happened to self responsibility and accountability?

Stupid islanders. (That's NZ for the simpletons)

That has to be the most arrogant post that I have seen on this Site..