You are fat, your breath stinks, and the icecaps are melting.. BLAME AMERICA!!!

[sAsLEX]

as is the case in. We get paid a pittance I grant you, but we can do the same.

Are you sure!??

I am fairly certain it is damn difficult for the joe public to connect and get paid for generation to the national grid


K14, Jantar anyone confirm this?

[The_Dover]

and none of them would last 5 minutes in my old neighborhood

men in bed sheets with pointy hats huh?

[SARGE]

Yes but 52% of electric generation in the US is coal fired. Some is "clean coal" for sure... but not much...

in Cleveland .. we drew power from 3 separate nuke plants and 2 hydro-electric dams.. the US EPA requires all industry that pumps anything into the air to fit their smokestacks with scrubbers ..

because the economics are not there... I know - not a good argument, but it's the same one applying to why the world isn't running all hydrogen yet.

actually McDonalds is a huge force in recycling Styrofoam in the USA.. so is Sony and General Motors

[sAsLEX]

in Cleveland .. we drew power from 3 separate nuke plants and 2 hydro-electric dams


actually McDonalds is a huge force in recycling Styrofoam in the USA.. so is Sony and General Motors

And interesting aside

One of the only cars to gain some special Greenie award was not the Toyota Prius or any wank green fest car like that

But a 500 Hp V8 Merc , due to its through life cycle use of materials and recycling and its effiecient engine (owned by GM or some american company now they are)

[willy_01]

I can understand the anti american sentiment from fellow New Zealanders, but if found the pretty much all the americans I have met in my travels to be pretty cool, open minded people - very much the oppsite of the stereotype.

I reckon America deffentally got some things right ie nuclar power, cheap (economies of scale) safe and green.

[ManDownUnder]

in Cleveland .. we drew power from 3 separate nuke plants and 2 hydro-electric dams

LOL - no doubt, and in the South Island we have too much hydro generation so they ship it offshore. Hardly representative of the country as a whole.

actually McDonalds is a huge force in recycling Styrofoam in the USA.. so is Sony and General Motors

More than they produce/consume?

Awesome!

But I digress. The point of your initial post is a goodun.

[ManDownUnder]

Are you sure!??

I am fairly certain it is damn difficult for the joe public to connect and get paid for generation to the national grid


K14, Jantar anyone confirm this?

Yes - you have to sign a document confirming your whereabouts etc in case of an emergency or outage. The linesmen need to know they're safe before working on a line (i.e. you're not backfeeding power onto a "dead" line

You (probably - depending on the lines company) have to add a 2nd meter to your house to measure the outbound power which they agree to buy off you at the rate they buy their other power (whereupon it heads straight back into your house at a 10c/kWh premium...)

etc. But yes.

[SARGE]

LOL - no doubt, and in the South Island we have too much hydro generation so they ship it offshore. Hardly representative of the country as a whole.



More than they produce/consume?

yes .. you can go to almost any large McDonalds in any major city and drop off any styrofoam packing you have .. it is turned into carpet underlay, park benches , garden edging and oil-absorber material for spill cleanups or industrial use

[Flyingpony]

you are fat

No but thanks for the concern. McD's tastes terrible,,, give me Fish n Chips anytime. I ride my bicycle when ever possible to stay thin and fit. I'm having a chocolate chip with Hazel nut sandwich right now for lunch (without marge or butter), but I'll be cycling over 10km home with Fish n Chips in my bag,,, god that didn't come out looking so healthy does it,,, but it's Friday

your breath stinks

No, just ate a chocolate muffin Makes my diet look even worse ,,, I repeat,,, but it's Friday

the icecaps are melting..

Yes

BLAME AMERICA!!!

No.

America is working hard on fixing the environment unlike China. However, they should stop buying so much stuff from China as indirectly they're responsible for China's polution, but then again, so is NZ & Europe, etc, too.

My parents recently bought a standby petrol generator that was "Made in USA". It's acting as standby to America's friend, England. Hopefully it won't see much action though, the prime generator has only had three minor break downs in 12 years So Sarge, we do still support your country!


Sarge: You miss riding your motorcycle?

[SARGE]

Sarge: You miss riding your motorcycle?

nope .. i was out on it most of the day yesterday running errands and going to meetings ..

[riffer]

I think your stats are bogus.

China is heading towards being the biggest polluter in the world on a total pollution tonnes basis, but they're not there yet. Maybe in ten years.

However, more alarming, is the amount of pollution per capita statistics, in which USA leads the world by a huge amount.

While I've never met a citizen of USA I didn't really like, on a collective scale Americans are a wasteful, destructive society with an evil foreign policy.

The atttachment extracts to a jpeg showing just how much pollution each country in the world produces.

[SARGE]

I think your stats are bogus.

China is heading towards being the biggest polluter in the world on a total pollution tonnes basis, but they're not there yet. Maybe in ten years.

However, more alarming, is the amount of pollution per capita statistics, in which USA leads the world by a huge amount.

While I've never met a citizen of USA I didn't really like, on a collective scale Americans are a wasteful, destructive society with an evil foreign policy.

The atttachment extracts to a jpeg showing just how much pollution each country in the world produces.

interesting note on that Jpeg.. re: old Growth forests: studies have shown that a plantation of fast growing saplings will suck more CO2 from the air than an old growth forest which has already spent most of its growth ..

i have never claimed that the US is a green paradise.. we ARE making headway into the abuses of past generations .. George Bush has dropped billions of US dollars into Hydrogen research.. we are doing something positive.. China, India and Russia (et al) are driving the advances that the US, Australia and NZ are making back faster than we can make them...

the nations around the Amazon Rain forests are allowing mass clear cutting without replanting.. sure.. they claim that it is illegal harvesting but at the same time .. they do very little to enforce or repair..

how much is the Green Party doing to stop the proliferation of Diesel vehicles?.. ever been behind one at a light? why is a sniffer test not part of the WOF for all internal cumbustion engines?

what does Fonterra do with dairy solids effluent?..slaughterhouse offal?


right into the waterways .. and the government allows it

clean and green my ass.. as long as the long shots on the tourist brochures look good ..

[riffer]

You had me there until you mentioned dubya...

It's such a pity that such an amazing country with such talented, driven individuals capable of amazing things also contains so many idiots too...

Oh - and congrats to your fellow countrymen for getting the shuttle back safely. A shame the media were only really interested when tere was a possibility they might all die in a ball of flame.

We all still love the Americans. I guess its America that worries us.

[SARGE]

You had me there until you mentioned dubya...

well for all his faults at least he is taking the step to fund this research.. i am by no means a Bush supporter

It's such a pity that such an amazing country with such talented, driven individuals capable of amazing things also contains so many idiots too...

so does Europe, Asia, Ozzie and NZ.. you get your fair share of tools in any situation .. it is not just an American thing.. we just dont hide them as well

Oh - and congrats to your fellow countrymen for getting the shuttle back safely. A shame the media were only really interested when tere was a possibility they might all die in a ball of flame.

We all still love the Americans. I guess its America that worries us.

yea .. when the revolutions starts .. i am killing all the lawyers and reporters first

[gijoe1313]

Hola Sarge, when everything stacks up - who do people really want to be in the driving seat per se? The extremist ideologists out there who call for a way of living that most of us couldn't imagine? Give me the situ we have in hand at the moment, it ain't perfect but its a damn sight better then the alternatives.

Every American I've met has been a competent, intelligent and thoughtful citizen of the world, heck they even apologise for Bush and the jerk things their country gets into at times! The only negative stereotype I've met was when I was in China and the atypical fat Floridan family were speaking so loud, I could hear them half a block away "Goddamit! Why the hell are all the signs in Chinese? They should speak American!" Thought I was in a Mad magazine skit there!

America reminds me of that old Eastwood movie "The good, the bad and the (downright) ugly!"

Mind you, NZ could play to the theme song of "Deliverance" at times...Banjos anyone?