http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6215847.stm
"Treasury Minister, Ed Balls"
(Nothing like a bit of schoolboy tittering to lighten the mood)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6215847.stm
"Treasury Minister, Ed Balls"
(Nothing like a bit of schoolboy tittering to lighten the mood)
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Hardcore Biker
The question is, what do they pay the debt off with?
Fair weather rider
Speeding finesOriginally Posted by Jeremy
Man, you are too square.
The taste of shit on our tongues.
Or rather, Blair has the taste of Bushes simian arse on his lips.
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They should have taken the money from Germany back then to pay the bills... to the winner go the spoils.
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Without the Marshal Plan Weasel the UK would have been a Soviet Bloc country or a glowing crater.
Some people learned the lessons of WW1 and applied them. Joking about not learning from past mistakes in this context is tantamount to letting paedophiles open a creche.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Easily ammused
You're not paedophilophobic are you Jim. You need to be more tolerant of other peoples lifestyles.
Some things are worth dying for, living is one of them.
Hardcore Biker
Thats part of how world war 2 kicked off in the first place, sometimes even the victors dont make the same mistake twice
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How many times have I told you? SHUT THAT DAMN CRECHE!
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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The crux of the Lend Lease Agreement I've highlighted the relevant section. Bear in mind that prior to the commencement of hostilities due to the attack on Pearl Harbour Americas foreign policy was isolationist. In this respect America had few trading partners. England on the other hand with its empire connections monopolised the international trade regimes.
ARTICLE VII
In the final determination of the benefits to be provided to the United States of America by the Government of the United Kingdom in return for aid furnished under the Act of Congress of March 11, 1941, the terms and conditions thereof shall be such as not to burden commerce between the two countries, but to promote mutually advantageous economic relations between them and the betterment of world-wide economic relations. To that end, they shall include provision for agreed action by the United States of America and the United Kingdom, open to participation by all other countries of like mind, directed to the expansion, by appropriate international and domestic measures, of production, employment, and the exchange and consumption of goods, which are the material foundations of the liberty and welfare of all peoples; to the elimination of all forms of discriminatory treatment in international commerce, and to the reduction of tariffs and other trade barriers; and, in general, to the attainment of all the economic objectives set forth in the Joint Declaration made on August 14, 1941, by the President of the United States of America and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
At an early convenient date, conversations shall be begun between the two Governments with a view to determining, in the light of governing economic conditions, the best means of attaining the above stated objectives by their own agreed action and of seeking the agreed action of other like-minded Governments.
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This clause has been the dominate driving force in American foreign policy up to Nixon's China Accord.
England was fighting for it's very survival and the yanks held a gun to their head. So much for their much vaunted freedom and democracy bullshit.
Skyryder
Free Scott Watson.
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You know what the Americans did to us Skyryder? Check out the 1944 Canberra Pact. They tried to make us and Aus hand over Commonwealth territory at the cessation of hostilities in the Pacific as part of the Lend/Lease agreement. NZ just said, "no way", and the US billed us immediately for all our lend/lease equipment (Liberty Ships, F4U Corsairs, P51 Mustangs) effectively clearing out our treasury reserve. I think we had approximately 2 million pounds in gold reserves which we had to hand over.
As soon as Australia saw what happened they went, "Yeah, no worries mate."
The more dastardly part of their actions was withdrawing logistics support in the Pacific including medical aid, fuel, and spares. NZers died of dysentery and typhus in in the Solomons as a direct result.
That is why we had such tight controls on NZ money going overseas to pay for imports up until the late 80s. We had no cash.
We're still better off than the UK. That lend/lease agreement effectively accelerated the demise of the British Empire and before you all say "Bloody Good Thing", it is arguable that Africa may have been in much better shape today if the colonial withdrawals hadn't been so precipitous.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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What!
People still believe that shit?
Those with the most money or goods have always dealt with their own best interests at heart.
The Yanks have played it for all it was worth the last 100 years.
Now the Chinese are starting to flex thir rapidly increasing muscles...
etc
etc
etc
- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.
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Only the Americans. Some actually believe that they elect their President.
Skyryder
Free Scott Watson.
e mare libertas
Sorry, I'm missing something here.
According to Churchill's 'The Second World War', which I have on the desk beside me, the Lend-Lease business started when the UK found themselves without cash to pay for the materiel necessary to prosecute their war against Germany. The Americans were the only willing suppliers with appropriate industrial capacity that they had recourse to.
When the situation became obvious, Roosevelt's Administration agreed to send equipment and supplies to the UK on the basis that prosecution of the war benefited the USA's interests, without billing for it. This was a full year or more before the USA's entry into the war.
According to Churchill, under Lend-Lease, "There was no provision for repayment. There was not even to be a formal account kept..."
I'm no fan of the Murkns, but let's keep things accurate.
Churchill credits Lend-Lease, which he calls "a wonderful decision" and "the most unsordid act in the history of any nation", with being a primary reason for the avoidance of the potential stalemate that could have left most of Europe in Hitler's control, with the UK forced to abandon hostilities and accept the situation.
After the war, there was Lend-Lease equipment left in the UK that hadn't been consumed in the fight. If the USA and Canada were happy to let the UK hang onto it and then pay for it over 60 years at 2% interest, how on earth does that constitute the Americans "holding a gun to the UK's head"?
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
Immature and proud of it.
The Poms were so grateful that they kicked all the Chagos Islanders out of their home so that they could get a discount on a Polaris sub in return for the Merkins building a base on Diego Garcia. Ya gotta love Real Politik.
Speed doesn't kill people.
Stupidity kills people.
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