Exclusion of Motards from F1, F2 & F3: Good or bad?

[TonyB]

but as there is nothing at stake it doesnt matter ....

so you spend 700 dollars and travel to the south Island and get third in your class ,,,you get?? .. a good feeling and a hell of alot of enjoyment ..so ,,, just get out there and enjoy yourself ...

There's nothing at stake?? Maybe not in terms of prize money no. But it costs a lot of money to go racing, even in F3. Racing is NOT big here, there is almost NO sponsorship money available, so everyone that does it, does it at great personal expense. There is no prize money available, well SFA anyway, so the only thing we get out of it is the enjoyment of a good hard race. And for the skilled minority, a small silver cup if they are lucky. The trouble is, in F3 the sheer number of Motards and the different lines they take mean that many riders of traditional road bikes AREN'T getting the one thing that they stand to recieve from racing- an enjoyable experience.

[Sketchy_Racer]

So according to your theory RG100, no GP based bikes like your RS or TZ125 or a 250 GP bike should be allowed in a street race either, as they arent street bikes?
And don't the 600 boys complain about the 1000's holding them up in the corners then blasting off down the straights, not the 1000's complaining about the 600's!
Most of the European factories now build production Supermotard bikes, KTM, Aprilia, Husky, Husaberg etc, then you get the modified MX bikes like the RMZ450, YZF450, CRF450 etc, and also the two strokers but probably less of these now.
Still think its at few tracks and mainly the tighter street circuits that the Motards cause a problem. What was the turn out like at Greymouth? Was there big numbers there? Any concerns?

Well you're clever gav

By the definition 'street bike' I mean as in designed for use on tarmac.

And dont even start say "what about this motard its designed for tarmac" Bullshit

And Tough shit of the 600s complain about the 1000s, they are intruding on a class that they arent even supposed to be in.

Back to the Original point of this thread. It is simple, that motards are only allowed into the class that they have been givin, And Bears and Postclassics.(if elegible)

No Motards, in the formula classes.

Its quite easy to police when ya think about it. lets say Mr joe says his motard is a production road bike. thats sweet, he can go into F3. But now hes not allowed in to the motard class.

and if he enters the motard class, well tough shit, he's not coming into the formula classes

[spudchucka]

If you want to chase chooks get a dirt bike

If you want to race on sealed roads get a road bike

This form of racing is brilliant to watch, but they should be made to stick to there own class

Motards should have there own class! and should probally have there own meetings

Never used to bother Robert Holden when he was kicking arse around Wanganui on his Ducati and then cleaning up in the lower classes on his Husqvarna chook chaser. Only nobody called them Motards then, it was just a good rider doing well on whatever sort of bike he decided to ride.

I say let them race in whatever class they are competitive in.

Its consistent with the kiwi attitude and the "run what ya brung" racing of old.

[Bonez]

And dont even start say "what about this motard its designed for tarmac" Bullshit

May I suggest you go down to your local KTM dealer and see what type for tyres are fitted. They're propably more suitable to 99.9% of NZ roads than any other type of bike.

[dangerous]

I say let them race in whatever class they are competitive in.

Its a safty thing now due to numbers, one death could mean the end of it for every one.

Well you're clever gav

Yeah well thats Gav for ya

What was the turn out like at Greymouth? Was there big numbers there? Any concerns?

Yes a big turn out and yes it was getting messy.

Listen up, this thread is just going around in circles... we are getting nowhere.
So... TonyB's wee poll has done its job and come up with a result that 10 pages of posts cant.

to date 114 votes
27 for the tards to stay in F3 (only 6% are racers the rest like to see the possible carnage and havoc)
87 against, kick em out.

Thats 23.68%for
and 76.31% kick em out

Thats that sorted...

[Sketchy_Racer]

May I suggest you go down to your local KTM dealer and see what type for tyres are fitted. They're propably more suitable to 99.9% of NZ roads than any other type of bike.

Im sure you understand what im really trying to say??

And your right. Motards are best suited to NZ roads. thats why im getting one.

BUT, we are talking about racing here. and they dont belong in the Formula classes.

I like dangerous' theory, 87% says Into thier own class, So Hi-ho-off-they-go

[Bonez]

Im sure you understand what im really trying to say??

And your right. Motards are best suited to NZ roads. thats why im getting one.

BUT, we are talking about racing here. and they dont belong in the Formula classes.

Do they not race on NZ roads?

[dangerous]

Do they not race on NZ roads?

Ohh come on man.. you are sounding like Gav, yeah on the roads 2 times a year maybe in the south Is... everty other weekend on the race track

[Joni]

Umm Dangerous, maybe people still want to talk about it... let them be!

[Sketchy_Racer]

Do they not race on NZ roads?

Yeah they do, and they can stay in thier own class.

Its that Simple!!

[TonyB]

Umm Dangerous, maybe people still want to talk about it... let them be!

Getting grumy in his od age, isn't he?
Stood up my wife today too. How rude

[dangerous]

Umm Dangerous, maybe people still want to talk about it... let them be!

To what post are you refering??? Like I said above 10 pages on, and we have got know were.
Were have I told people to stop talking about it... hell Im still here and still wanking on like the rest of em???
Your last post was telling us to pull our heads in (not quite in those words tho) now you are saying go for it... make ya mind up, and whats your thoughts on Motards in F3???

Getting grumy in his old age, isn't he?
Stood up my wife today too. How rude

Am not

Ohh yeah, and it was my shout too... but I didnt stand her up I was just running late

[SixPackBack]

Stick em' in a class of their own, throw in some dirt track, jumps, kerbs and tricky obstacles and watch the MX and track fans lap it up.

As a spectator I cringe seeing the chook chasers and sprotbikes together on a track.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Yep, Your onto is SPB

The MX section needs to be organsied well, so that excess dirt is not pulled back onto the track.

[Joni]

Your last post was telling us to pull our heads in (not quite in those words tho) now you are saying go for it... make ya mind up

Darryl I seriously think you need to pull you head in a little... this aint the Dangerous show.

I said tone it down when people were getting edgy... and the thread was doing down the wrong road.

Never have I told anyone not to discuss it, just do it without any abuse... thats all, my mind has been constant all along... people can do their thing as long as they keep it clean.