Graeme William Burton in custody

[Paul in NZ]

Can't have it both ways.

Why not? You cannot seriously tell me that in the case discussed here there is any reasonable doubt?

Change is a constant. Adapt or die. Which is what Darwin really said.

I agree - this prick didn't adapt or evolve and therefore he should die...

[scumdog]

I love these sorts of threads.

Dont forget, you have to understand how much energy will be transferred to the victim from the projectile in order to find how much the target will move back. I bet the dummy would have moved back a hell of a lot more if they shot at the plate with something smaller than .50

They tried it with a shitload of fire-arms Sniper - the 50 moved the dummy the most.

Non of the bullets penetrated the dummy fully so ALL the energy was spent on the dummy.

Matt and Bruce Grant did this sort of experiment about 45+ years ago using a large box of gravel hanging like a pendulum.

They found a cricket ball thrown very hard moved the box almost as far as a rifle bullet (can't remember what calibre, it WASN'T a .22!!)

[Finn]

Guilty as charged, when it comes to pragmatically integrating with the society I find myself in.

I put it to you that you're no 'nonconformist'; you're just a self-obsessed blowhard looking for a way of justifying your generic anger.



Good chap. Now go argue with someone with whom you've established at least some moral authority.

Nice one Sigman. Put it where you like, I just choose not to contribute to this social experiment. Completely above board and legitimately too I might add. I'm just working the system like the rest of us.

Now go sell your moral fibre to the family whose member was slain by your buddy Burton.

[scumdog]

I would imagine if they were using subsonic, it would be for covert purposes. Subsonic has very little power. It is not suitable for humame slaughter of pigs.

Hmm, NOT from my experience of using sub-sonic loads......

[Finn]

Hmm, NOT from my experience of using sub-sonic loads......

Stop it. Grahameeboy is getting turned on.

[Pixie]

I love these sorts of threads.

Dont forget, you have to understand how much energy will be transferred to the victim from the projectile in order to find how much the target will move back. I bet the dummy would have moved back a hell of a lot more if they shot at the plate with something smaller than .50

The .50 bullet actually penetrated the 1/2" steel plate,but imbedded in the dummy's alloy spine - all energy was therefore transfered to the resultant dummy/bullet system

The mythbusters said that research gathered from scene of crime officers shows that being "blown backwards" just does not happen.

[Sniper]

They tried it with a shitload of fire-arms Sniper - the 50 moved the dummy the most.

Non of the bullets penetrated the dummy fully so ALL the energy was spent on the dummy.

Matt and Bruce Grant did this sort of experiment about 45+ years ago using a large box of gravel hanging like a pendulum.

They found a cricket ball thrown very hard moved the box almost as far as a rifle bullet (can't remember what calibre, it WASN'T a .22!!)

Ok, I suppose sometimes its seen both ways, because Ive seen something get hit and do nothing and Ive also seen something get hit and shift back about 40cm

[jrandom]

I just choose not to contribute to this social experiment... I'm just working the system like the rest of us.

You may choose to believe that nobody makes decisions based on altruism or moral conscience.

I prefer to live in a way that materially disproves such destructive and self-justifying cynicism.

Now go sell your moral fibre to the family whose member was slain by your buddy Burton.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm one of the ones arguing for capital punishment here. I find myself fully capable of holding in balance the views that Burton deserves execution, and that you're a thoughtless, selfish cunt.

[Finn]

and that you're a thoughtless, selfish cunt.

You're onto me.

However, I'm not completely thoughtless. I actually really appreciate little people like yourself working hard and paying tax so I don't have to.

Keep up the good work chum.

[jrandom]

I actually really appreciate little people like yourself working hard and paying tax so I don't have to.

You're calling me the little people?

Anyway, I don't work all that hard. I just sort of stuff around on KB a lot, occasionally pausing to pop out enough nuggets of professional brilliance to stop my employer actually firing me.

[shafty]

I share the frustration of fellow KB'ers with the way the "Bad Guys" who don't give a shit, just rampage around NZ.

Other than write the odd letter to MP's and The Editor of the local paper, I believe that supporting the Sensible Sentencing Trust is really worth while. They at least provide support to families of murder victims and highlight in Parliament the extent and personal side of the offending.

Visit http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/ and read some of the Victims Stories - the 1st dozen or so murder cases should do it - and maybe consider flicking them $20 a year............

[Shadows]

So, any way, there has been an Iroquois hovering around in circles behind me all morning (the shit went down on the hill above where I work).
Does anybody know what they are looking for? More bodies??

[Crasherfromwayback]

So, any way, there has been an Iroquois hovering around in circles behind me all morning (the shit went down on the hill above where I work).
Does anybody know what they are looking for? More bodies??

Marijuana?

[Squeak the Rat]

A place to land?

[sAsLEX]

Equal and opposite reactions. For the Dummy to fly back, the marksman would have to as well.

Wrong. A shooter is normally expecting the shock and has positioned himself to absorb the recoil.... and larger calibre rifles have recoil damping systems. The barret has a muzzle brake thing and some of the larger 20mm sniper rifles have large recoil tubes, these dissipate the energy away from the shooter,