Respect the Cops? WHY!

**SPman** · 12th March 2007, 16:35

Originally Posted by Grub

Who cares???? What would that tune be do you think? To stop people yuing on the roads perhaps? Shame on them!

The road toll HAS come down, what they're doing IS working

So to all the winjas .... shut up and take note.

The road toll has come down, predominantly,through vastly safer and better engineered vehicles.
A crash that was likely to kill you at 80kph in, say, a Mk 2 Zephyr, could now see you walking away without a scratch in a modern vehicle, with stronger central pods, crumple zones, air bags, seat belts, etc, let alone a better chance of avoiding it altogether, with far better suspension, brakes, things like ABS, and now Vehicle Stability Control.
Massively enhanced and enforced policing has done squat all to reduce fatality rates! Vastly better engineered vehicles, has.

**Morcs** · 12th March 2007, 16:45

Why are we even debating this?

Cops shouldnt be so eager to give out tickets full stop.

everytime i think that i could be mugged or my house is being burgled or whatever, that what seems like the majority of coppers are sat on the side of the motorway.

**scumdog** · 12th March 2007, 16:50

Originally Posted by mstriumph

......... professional courtesy?

Doubt it- haven't been in the job that long.

And never got one prior to that 'ticket'

For those bad with maths it means I've only had the one ticket for speeding.

**Edbear** · 12th March 2007, 18:02

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

I see a lot of you just don't get it but others do.

It aint just about whining for getting caught, in fact I don't often get caught and when i do, i pay up.

The issue is that road policing does NOT seem to be about safety but about revenue.
If it were about safety surely we'd see less cops and speed camera vans hiding in wait on straight, well surfaced clear visibility roads and more chasing after all those offences we see every day that really ARE an indicator to a driver likely to cause injury opr death: red light running, changing lanes without signalling, failure to give way etc etc.

Further, with the police force combined, i'd MUCH racther see more focus on preventing and solcing property crimes, theft, burglary etc than chasing down people for breaking the arbitray speed limits when it is actually safe to speed. Speed does NOT kill, bad driving kills. If speed killed, every F1 driver and GP1 motorcyclist would be dead already.

A couple of valid points here! I do shake my head each time I see the red van parked at the bottom of Schedewy's hill at the start of the passing lane ready to catch anyone overtaking the inevitable incompetent who's held up traffic along Windy Ridge at 60-70kp/h and down the hill at 40kp/h, then speeds up to 110 along the passing lane! Or waiting at the top of the passing lane two before Kaiwaka for the same reason.

In the Rodney County, speed is not the issue, but really bad drivers who cannot travel on the open road within 20kp/h of the speed limit, braking for all the corners and generally weaving over the road then speeding up on the passing lanes 'cause they feel safer and causing road-rage whereby following traffic makes silly and unsafe passing moves! Worst was the old guy who was doing 45kp/h and slowed down when he saw a patrol car parked on the side of the road! Despite having a 2km queue behind him, the Cop just watched us all crawl by and did nothing about it! I reported him on *555 when I finally managed to pass him up Schedewy's hill!

Personally I feel no need for a detector and generally drive/ride according to the law. If I ever get a ticket, it will probably be because of momentary inattention and I support the Police in most things having no complaints with the way I've been treated any time I've met one!

**Indoo** · 12th March 2007, 18:07

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

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It goes on and on.

Hitler had fuck all on the modern Police department.

So let me get this straight, you searched youtube for Police + Brutality and got a few crappy videos from America some of which were staged involving actors? This is somehow comparable to brutally killing a few million people how?

Your stupid, I mean really pigshit dumb shouldn't be breathing stupid.

**mstriumph** · 12th March 2007, 18:25

Originally Posted by scumdog

Doubt it- haven't been in the job that long.

And never got one prior to that 'ticket'

For those bad with maths it means I've only had the one ticket for speeding.

erm ..... if i'da thought it was a possibility i wouldn'ta said it .....

**terbang** · 12th March 2007, 18:54

Its not really a police problem, yup there are one or two jackbooted twats out there giving them a bad name, but all walks of life have that too. They just have a job to do and road duties are part of it. I am sure if I was a copper I would rather chase robbers and the likes than face the brains of Joe bloggs splattered all over the place amidst a hefty sprinkling of his mates dismembered arms and legs! All because he couldn't get a grip on himself and his powerful machine. kudos to all you cops, fireys and ambos in this instance. The people we should be attacking are the sandal wearing, soft cock (Reckon she's got one of those too) politicians and their ilk who use the police as a political lever, abuse the road laws themselves and collect revenue. Road safety doesn't even enter their realm of thought, they take the money and the cops take the blame... They are the revenue collectors while the police, the front line, do give a shit about safety. How could they not after what they see. Shame about their bosses eh..!
I ride a bike that can double, no triple the open road speed limit and quite frankly, if I choose to ride it to it's full potential, then it aint a cop that I should be at risk of. Its myself..

**unhingedlizard** · 12th March 2007, 19:08

Granted I have only been riding 11years but have only one ticket. Coming back from wanganui on boxing day, 117 overtaking.

Should have realised the police would be targeting bikers. A "friend" I know has been passed two traffic cops at 130, (GSXR400, Taka's), (TDR250, Otorohanga) and they have done sweet FA. Both on open roads, little to no traffic.

**kro** · 12th March 2007, 19:55

Originally Posted by terbang

Its not really a police problem, yup there are one or two jackbooted twats out there giving them a bad name, but all walks of life have that too.

Nicely said. Anywhere you go, you will encounter people in professions, some of whom, suck copious amounts of donkey dick, whilst the majority are mucho grande. Picking on cops is like picking on the fat kid at school......easy target, and 99% of the time, unwarranted.

I dare not say how long it's been since my last speeding ticket, the mods will change my username to "Grandad"

**undietaker** · 12th March 2007, 20:20

only ever had 4 tickets in ** years, but as they say in Jay & Silent Bob "Fuck, Fuck, Fuck the police" . I wouldnt have their job, but they have lost so much respect over the last 25 years, what is their problem. Last time he said, youve got a big bike why did you stop. Next time I didnt, no apologies.

**spudchucka** · 12th March 2007, 21:15

Originally Posted by Ixion

Yep. Hypocrite or wastrel, I guess. If you are never going to exceed 100kph, why have a vehicle capable of double that? I guess one reason might be towing. But that hardly applies to bikes. So I find it hard not to lift an eyebrow when someone on a powerful bike claims never to exceed 100kph.

I don't believe that was claimed by anybody.

**candor** · 12th March 2007, 21:37

How CAN people think this is not wrong. All these Police resources and hours wasted on trivial pursuits. Its not about - you broke the law so you deserve it so shut up.

Not sticking up for speeding due to any vested interest cos I don't. Well only got one in last year anyhoo. Cop was angry - came out as if against me for objecting but I think it was projected anger as i was really with the Dept or with himself for humiliating himself by having to do it. OK too much analysis.

Its just there are a dozen other tasks they would be better deployed on for societies sake and safety. Thats what is so nauseating about it all.

How would we like it if nurses spent all day on low priority jobs like discussing menu choices with patients rather than getting the real work like pill rounds done?

To me this is no different - there are many safety issues needing dealing with on the road (ranking far higher than speed) and if the Cops are pressured to deliver hourly speed tickets or hang about school vicinity where only 2 kids have been killed in 10 years they don't have time to save lives where the real action is needed, do they.

We are short of Cops. What does the Govt not get about this. So how can it be justified to waste their great talents and dedication on taxation. Just raise rego fees if you're feeling greedy - much more honest and then the Cops can be freed up to do some real result getting work and to "get some better work stories" than "Mavis the Ministers wife ws 5k over and you shoulda seen the look on he maniacs face - I had to stop her, had to save her future vics".

Could it be that crash investigations are crap like the Auckland school bus with the out of it driver that hurt 19 kids (cause covered up), and the trucky who killed a pedestrian last year in CHCH but was not breathalysed....

because 99% of Cops are assigned to ticketing people who've hurt no-one and likely never will!! Just maybe?

**kro** · 13th March 2007, 05:42

Man I would hate to go in front of a jury of some of you lot, if I was wrongly arrested for a crime..... your prejudices are staggering. Anyone got any proof of this quota?, or just a bit of hearsay?.

As has been mentioned, if you don't speed, you don't get stung. My 8 year daughter has a better concept of that that some of you whingers. Sheesh.

**SixPackBack** · 13th March 2007, 06:16

Originally Posted by Indoo

So let me get this straight, you searched youtube for Police + Brutality and got a few crappy videos from America some of which were staged involving actors? This is somehow comparable to brutally killing a few million people how?

Your stupid, I mean really pigshit dumb shouldn't be breathing stupid.

I do not expect you to agree but less of the abuse