Judge shocked at biker's bridge stunt - The Mormon's Bridge Video

[sunhuntin]

someone call the waaaaaaaaa-bulance... i got red rep. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
:whocares:

[FJRider]

In the meatime I have handed out a couple of lots of red rep for comments that I consider to be rather ignorant.

Considering your join date ... and number of posts made to date ... (Not senior member status yet ...) your BLING power wont be that great (single figures still) so those you may have given RED ... may give it back with interest ... and you wont know who gave it ... yet !!!

[The Stranger]

Considering your join date ... and number of posts made to date ... (Not senior member status yet ...) your BLING power wont be that great (single figures still) so those you may have given RED ... may give it back with interest ... and you wont know who gave it ... yet !!!

For fuck sake. He's not advertising a rep war, he pointing out that the people who have been repped are (to paraphrase) full of shit.
That's what the rep system is for after all.

To those that have been so repped.
I know this is KB and I know you think your opinion is valid and important, but bad news, it's only important to you.

[Quasievil]

I know this is KB and I know you think your opinion is valid and important, but bad news, it's only important to you.

So on that rational mate why do you post, or hell why do any of us post.

p.s, I think what you say is valid.........most of the time !

[FJRider]

That's what the rep system is for after all.



The "rep system" IS laughable at times ... I got "red" repped once by a member with 3 posts. The comment with it was suggesting I should be in fear of getting more from that member .... I never lost any points from that "red", nor did I hear from that member again ...

[Ronin]

someone call the waaaaaaaaa-bulance... i got red rep. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
:whocares:

Lol you did? what the hell for? Did you say something nasty about a bottom dwelling ambulance chaser?

[FJRider]

So on that rational mate why do you post, or hell why do any of us post.

p.s, I think what you say is valid.........most of the time !

More value in a well thought out post to "attack" ... than any red thats given ...

Just that some dont have the ability to think .... :lol:

[Brian d marge]

Take the fine

I ll chuck in a few dollars

Walk up to the judge whip out the cheque book and ask how much his lunch cost,

Then sling him some loose change for the fine

From what I read ya can get ur license for work but not pleasure , and ya dont need that for riding over bridges ( tell the judge that )

All good

Stephen

[The Stranger]

So on that rational mate why do you post,

Fact is not opinion - that and often times people ask for opinions.
The other reason of course is to shit stir.

[STJim]

You sound more like his Marriage Celebrant than his Legal Counsel.

No thank you

[Cr1MiNaL]

What is this world coming to? A harmless stunt from a capable enough rider bah. Let it go and catch the taxi driver killers or something rather.

[Squiggles]

What is this world coming to? A harmless stunt from a capable enough rider bah.

The internet is full of harmless stunts epically failing.

[The Stranger]

The internet is full of harmless stunts epically failing.

Hypothetically speaking of course.

[Quasievil]

What is this world coming to? A harmless stunt from a capable enough rider bah. Let it go and catch the taxi driver killers or something rather.

Yes you are right, however Carver has a history of harmless stunts, was only a matter of time before he got done on one eh.

[nodrog]

fuck, bling has power? wow, go planet!

p.s. you can roll over my humps anytime Jono.

[sunhuntin]

Lol you did? what the hell for? Did you say something nasty about a bottom dwelling ambulance chaser?

all my post said was that the lawyer would be laughing all the way to the bank. must be a new-age sensitive type i think. lol.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Hypothetically speaking of course.

Typical ! (in Steve Murray voice).

[Usarka]

The other reason of course is to shit stir.

No shit !!!???!!

[Ronin]

all my post said was that the lawyer would be laughing all the way to the bank. must be a new-age sensitive type i think. lol.

Perhaps he is laughing all the way to the legal aid trough instead.

[carver]

nah, my lawyer is a good man, and there is no poiint in slandering him

[The Stranger]

fuck, bling has power? wow, go planet!

p.s. you can roll over my humps anytime Jono.

He just want's to roll over Stirts humps.

[STJim]

Perhaps he is laughing all the way to the legal aid trough instead.
Mate I wish Unfortunately Carver does't qualify for aid firstly he earns too much and secondly the offence is't sufficently serious to warrent a grant of aid. Caver for better for worse is part of our Kiwi biker community in Hamilton that coupled with the "Notoriety" make it worth while having him as a "pro bona" client. I have had publicity that "Money can't buy"
I must confes that i am a little sentistive. We do that best for our clients whether paid or not . I do not appreciate being called a "cock" by those who think they know but don't. Nor do I appreciate the suggestion that everthing we do ias lawyers is "for money"
As I have said earlier when this matter is disposed I have Carver's permission to post a full report including the outcome and the thinking that went into hows and whys of our approach in this matter.

[FJRider]

The internet is full of harmless stunts epically failing.

But the entertainment value for those "epic" failures .... "priceless" ..... (almost ... worth the effort of failing)

[GOONR]

....... We do that best for our client wheter paid or not and I do appreciate being called a "cock" ......

I would go back and correct that if I were you.

[STJim]

I would go back and correct that if I were you.

Thanks have done

[red mermaid]

So if your client earns to much for legal aid, how come he didn't go about this stunt in the proper fashion by doing some correct planning?

He claims that he didn't have the money!

You two better start getting your stories straight before you stand in front of the Judge and say, "Sir, my instructions are...."





Mate I wish Unfortunately Carver does't qualify for aid firstly he earns too much and secondly the offence is't sufficently serious to warrent a grant of aid. Caver for better for worse is part of our Kiwi biker community in Hamilton that coupled with the "Notoriety" make it worth while having him as a "pro bona" client. I have had publicity that "Money can't buy"
I must confes that i am a little sentistive. We do that best for our clients whether paid or not . I do not appreciate being called a "cock" by those who think they know but don't. Nor do I appreciate the suggestion that everthing we do ias lawyers is "for money"
As I have said earlier when this matter is disposed I have Carver's permission to post a full report including the outcome and the thinking that went into hows and whys of our approach in this matter.

[Maha]

nah, my lawyer is a good man, and there is no poiint in slandering him

If he gets you off with time served and two weeks at Mummy's then you will probably want to slander some other point at him, yes? :buggerd:

[STJim]

[QUOTE=red mermaid;1129650410

You two better start getting your stories straight before you stand in front of the Judge and say, "Sir, my instructions are...."[/QUOTE

Any more helpful suggestions??

[Usarka]

Any more helpful suggestions??

Get a real job?

[jahrasti]

[QUOTE=STJim;1129650290] Nor do I appreciate the suggestion that everthing we do ias lawyers is "for money"
QUOTE]

Haha this is the quote of the centry. I could sit here and rattle off a list of YOUR collegues that do it for the money and nothing else.

[Maha]

[/QUOTE]Any more helpful suggestions??[/QUOTE]

Perhaps just the one.

Taking into consideration that Carver is guilty as charged, why dont you cut him loose and not take any more of his money?
Surely the only ''help'' you can be at this late stage is at best a character witness?

[The Stranger]

Taking into consideration that Carver is guilty as charged, why dont you cut him loose and not take any more of his money?


Ah a suggestion for you. Perhaps read post 110.

[The Stranger]

Mate I wish Unfortunately Carver does't qualify for aid firstly he earns too much and secondly the offence is't sufficently serious to warrent a grant of aid. Caver for better for worse is part of our Kiwi biker community in Hamilton that coupled with the "Notoriety" make it worth while having him as a "pro bona" client. I have had publicity that "Money can't buy"
I must confes that i am a little sentistive. We do that best for our clients whether paid or not . I do not appreciate being called a "cock" by those who think they know but don't. Nor do I appreciate the suggestion that everthing we do ias lawyers is "for money"
As I have said earlier when this matter is disposed I have Carver's permission to post a full report including the outcome and the thinking that went into hows and whys of our approach in this matter.

Welcome to the real world where no good deed shall go unpunished.
Still, at least you aren't being accused of doing it in exchange for sexual favours - yet, but it's sure to come.

[TerminalAddict]

Mate I wish Unfortunately Carver does't qualify for aid firstly he earns too much and secondly the offence is't sufficently serious to warrent a grant of aid. Caver for better for worse is part of our Kiwi biker community in Hamilton that coupled with the "Notoriety" make it worth while having him as a "pro bona" client. I have had publicity that "Money can't buy"
I must confes that i am a little sentistive. We do that best for our clients whether paid or not . I do not appreciate being called a "cock" by those who think they know but don't. Nor do I appreciate the suggestion that everthing we do ias lawyers is "for money"
As I have said earlier when this matter is disposed I have Carver's permission to post a full report including the outcome and the thinking that went into hows and whys of our approach in this matter.

meh . .those of us who have met you in person have differing opinions to those held by the "norm" on kiwibiker.

You're alright mate :yes:

having thy name in the paper is not all it's cracked up to be tho eh :eek5:

[STJim]

meh . .those of us who have met you in person have differing opinions to those held by the "norm" on kiwibiker.

You're alright mate :yes:

having thy name in the paper is not all it's cracked up to be tho eh :eek5:

Thanks It's nice to have some friends In general terms for me that was "good publicity"

[Cr1MiNaL]

Mate I wish Unfortunately Carver does't qualify for aid firstly he earns too much and secondly the offence is't sufficently serious to warrent a grant of aid. Caver for better for worse is part of our Kiwi biker community in Hamilton that coupled with the "Notoriety" make it worth while having him as a "pro bona" client. I have had publicity that "Money can't buy"
I must confes that i am a little sentistive. We do that best for our clients whether paid or not . I do not appreciate being called a "cock" by those who think they know but don't. Nor do I appreciate the suggestion that everthing we do ias lawyers is "for money"
As I have said earlier when this matter is disposed I have Carver's permission to post a full report including the outcome and the thinking that went into hows and whys of our approach in this matter.

Mate do not agonise over the overly opinionated slander of the kiwibiker masses. You know your job better than anyone else here snd YOU know that. Try and not nibble on the bait - although tasty it bites back :D I hate to see professionals get involved in silly banter. it just goes to show the class some members display - members who will draw no lines as to what is acceptable remittance from real life to cyber-space.

[Latte]

If jim is doing "Pro Bona" work, whats happening to the carver defense fund? Planning an attack on the Harbour Bridge ??

[FJRider]

If jim is doing "Pro Bona" work, whats happening to the carver defense fund? Planning an attack on the Harbour Bridge ??

did he get enough for a 24 pack to celebrate his ... ( win/loss ) ??????

[Toaster]

you dont have to have the bit of paper. we did a shop lifter course at work, and to tresspass, all we had to do was say to them "you are tresspassed for 2 years" and if they respond in anyway [even a fuck off will do] then the tresspass stands. course, the paper is ideal cos then you [hopefully] have their [real] name.

Yes that is right, you dont need a notice but if a return requires police intervention then you have a paper trail to help prove that the person was in fact trespassed in the first place. Takes away reasonable doubt.

[Pixie]

Carver committed contempt of cottonwool and attempted breach of bubblewrap,and in today's New Zealand deserves to feel the full force of the law.

Next we will be seeing youngsters leaping off bridges restrained by mere elastic bands.Leading to enormous incomes and the boosting of the French economy.

[Pixie]

Therefore, if it wasn't a public place, then he needed to gain permission to access the area, like bridge maintenance gangs. So he is also screwed for trespass.
The situation could get worse for him if he doesn't pull his head in, admit fault and end the situation. His lawyer must be a bit of a cock.

He's not charged with trespass,is he?The Police Prosecutor must be a cock.

[Pixie]

There is a very thin line between courage and stupidity, and there are a lot of stupid people out there willing to have a go at summat like this.



This is a good thing.Too much of today's life attached to a box is circumventing nature's "survival of the fittest."

[JimO]

He's not charged with trespass,is he?The Police Prosecutor must be a cock.

if he is he isnt the only one in this saga

[mister.koz]

I reckon that the judge is pre-determining the outcome which is pretty screwed up. I know of plenty of people who as a hamltonian right of passage walked over the humps of the bridge, a few who have taken BMX's over it and one guy (with serious stones) who did it on a skateboard. Doesn't make it right but as people say, its not a public road. Pissed idiots at 4am on a sunday (with pub traffic) are more of a risk than a sober dude on a trials bike who has some experience in trick riding on it, so where's the examples made of the drunken idiots? Pretty much nowhere, they leave that up to Darwin.

Jim; How is it in anyway fair (asuming the law is based on fairness) to make an example of someone in the eyes of the law? i have heard this before with regards to other court cases, it sounds like the judge is voulenterring that this punishment is higher than it would normally be while at the same time advertising the fact?

I wonder if the cops have found my car stereo yet and whether this judge would make an example of the dropkicks that stole it (and about 40 others that night)...

[trustme]

I reckon that the judge is pre-determining the outcome which is pretty screwed up. I know of plenty of people who as a hamltonian right of passage walked over the humps of the bridge, a few who have taken BMX's over it and one guy (with serious stones) who did it on a skateboard. Doesn't make it right but as people say, its not a public road. Pissed idiots at 4am on a sunday (with pub traffic) are more of a risk than a sober dude on a trials bike who has some experience in trick riding on it, so where's the examples made of the drunken idiots? Pretty much nowhere, they leave that up to Darwin.

Jim; How is it in anyway fair (asuming the law is based on fairness) to make an example of someone in the eyes of the law? i have heard this before with regards to other court cases, it sounds like the judge is voulenterring that this punishment is higher than it would normally be while at the same time advertising the fact?

I wonder if the cops have found my car stereo yet and whether this judge would make an example of the dropkicks that stole it (and about 40 others that night)...

Slight difference between the pissed idiots & Carver.
The pissed idiots don't seek a legal opinion before doing it.
They do it on the spur of the moment without planning or intent
They do not promote the stunt on youtube afterwards
They do not rub the stunt in the noses of the coppers or the courts.
If they are dumb enough to get caught I suspect they also would be charged

Seems to me Carver intentionally & with preplanning tried to make a monkey of the cops & the courts. The cops & the courts are doing their very best to return the favour with interest & will be doing their best to make sure a technicality does not get in the way.

[STJim]

I reckon that the judge is pre-determining the outcome which is pretty screwed up. I know of plenty of people who as a hamltonian right of passage walked over the humps of the bridge, a few who have taken BMX's over it and one guy (with serious stones) who did it on a skateboard. Doesn't make it right but as people say, its not a public road. Pissed idiots at 4am on a sunday (with pub traffic) are more of a risk than a sober dude on a trials bike who has some experience in trick riding on it, so where's the examples made of the drunken idiots? Pretty much nowhere, they leave that up to Darwin.

Jim; How is it in anyway fair (asuming the law is based on fairness) to make an example of someone in the eyes of the law? i have heard this before with regards to other court cases, it sounds like the judge is voulenterring that this punishment is higher than it would normally be while at the same time advertising the fact?

I wonder if the cops have found my car stereo yet and whether this judge would make an example of the dropkicks that stole it (and about 40 others that night)...
I have said earlier that full comment will be made after this matter is disposed of. At this stage I cannot comment on the merits. At no stage at all am I able to make any comment about the District Court Judge

[STJim]

Slight difference between the pissed idiots & Carver.
The pissed idiots don't seek a legal opinion before doing it.
They do it on the spur of the moment without planning or intent
They do not promote the stunt on youtube afterwards
They do not rub the stunt in the noses of the coppers or the courts.
If they are dumb enough to get caught I suspect they also would be charged

Seems to me Carver intentionally & with preplanning tried to make a monkey of the cops & the courts. The cops & the courts are doing their very best to return the favour with interest & will be doing their best to make sure a technicality does not get in the way.

There is nothing that the drunk idots can be charged with. For the record to my knowedge no legal opinion was sought.

[trustme]

I stand corrected , I based that comment upon previous posts that suggested that Carver had a fair idea of his defence prior to pulling the stunt & that it would be difficult to make a charge stick, that tends to suggest some research was done or did he make a lucky guess.

Don't they charge people with drunk & disorderly anymore ?

[sidecar bob]

I wonder if the cops have found my car stereo yet and whether this judge would make an example of the dropkicks that stole it (and about 40 others that night)...
In all fairness to the cops, their job would have been made considerably easier if the theives had filmed themselves stealing them & posted it on youtube & then bragged about it on Kiwi Thief website.

[Quasievil]

In all fairness to the cops, their job would have been made considerably easier if the theives had filmed themselves stealing them & posted it on youtube & then bragged about it on Kiwi Thief website.

thats what I find funny.........Carver has Always waved a red flag in the face of the law, to then do the bridge stunt and post n brag (look at me everybody !!) to only get caught I find fucking hilarious.

Go the cops !!

[mister.koz]

In all fairness to the cops, their job would have been made considerably easier if the theives had filmed themselves stealing them & posted it on youtube & then bragged about it on Kiwi Thief website.

Haha good point :)

[red mermaid]

Plead guilty, and next time he wants to pull ones of his 'stunts' do it properly.


[QUOTE=red mermaid;1129650410

You two better start getting your stories straight before you stand in front of the Judge and say, "Sir, my instructions are...."[/QUOTE

Any more helpful suggestions??

[quickbuck]

In all fairness to the cops, their job would have been made considerably easier if the theives had filmed themselves stealing them & posted it on youtube & then bragged about it on Kiwi Thief website.

LOL,
Yup, I will bling this when 24 hours is up.....
Kiwitheft website indeed... now there's an idea ;)

[Maha]

Plead guilty, and next time he wants to pull ones of his 'stunts' do it properly.

[QUOTE=STJim;1129650472]

Bling sent, what a sensible idea. I still wanna know what happened to the $8.50 raised to help Carver out? or however much it was.

[Quasievil]

[QUOTE=red mermaid;1129651577]Plead guilty, and next time he wants to pull ones of his 'stunts' do it properly.



Bling sent, what a sensible idea. I still wanna know what happened to the $8.50 raised to help Carver out? or however much it was.

Im thinking of doing some T-Shirts actually

HANG EM HIGH............Mormon Butt crew (on account of behind the bars activity)

anyone keen ?

Sizes M.L.XL

$19.00

PM me with your order

[Maha]

[QUOTE=Maha;1129651696]

Im thinking of doing some T-Shirts actually

HANG EM HIGH............Mormon Butt crew (on account of behind the bars activity)

anyone keen ?

Sizes M.L.XL

$19.00

PM me with your order

Always on the make eh Quasi?....;)
If you could do shower caps I will take 3000, im sure they will sell well in any penal institution....:buggerd:

[red mermaid]

Bought some more nappies for the boy?



[QUOTE=red mermaid;1129651577]Plead guilty, and next time he wants to pull ones of his 'stunts' do it properly.



Bling sent, what a sensible idea. I still wanna know what happened to the $8.50 raised to help Carver out? or however much it was.

[carver]

where did you get your second face from?

[Owl]

Nor do I appreciate the suggestion that everthing we do ias lawyers is "for money"

Ewwwww, take the money dude!:eek5:

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[jahrasti]

There is nothing that the drunk idots can be charged with. For the record to my knowedge no legal opinion was sought.

So being drunk is an excuse? When did this happen, I must have missed the memo on that one.

[Smifffy]

Any ideas on when we can expect a judgment and thence the full story, so that I can avoid all of the supposition and bush lawyer antics on this thread until then?
Or will it be easier to watch for a new thread to be started once the judgement is handed down?

[mister.koz]

So being drunk is an excuse? When did this happen, I must have missed the memo on that one.

True true, in saying that i am pretty sure that the boozed acc cost is more than the motorbikes and hearses put together...

[avgas]

LOL,
Yup, I will bling this when 24 hours is up.....
Kiwitheft website indeed... now there's an idea ;)

You mean trademe?

[avgas]

Just some food for thought.
I have met a few people like Carver. but this was some time ago - in the days of young.
They would frequently do foolish things, that never harmed anyone except themselves. They would climb mountains, jump out of trees......you know "fun stuff".
Some of these people have gone professional doing "fun stuff", some are even gone professional.
We even promote this "fun stuff" as a country.
What law did carver brake? If he walked along the bridge beams would that also be considered illegal?
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Before slagging someone off - think about why YOU feel you have to? What have they done to make you feel like this?
I think the stunt was incredibly dangerous, right up there with climbing mountains, kayaking rapids.....or jumping off bridges with a piece of rope around your ankles.
But we seem to praise people who do this.
I think that Jealousy is the New Zealand's biggest tall poppy herbicide. And Kiwi's are the greatest schizophrenics when we come to being hypocrites.


But no - keep living your safe predictable lives with no heroes.

[Swoop]

If you could do shower caps I will take 3000, im sure they will sell well in any penal institution....:buggerd:
MFSC Soap on a Rope??:scratch:

[Quasievil]

MFSC Soap on a Rope??:scratch:they prefer the soap on the floor

[Swoop]

they prefer the soap on the floor
Bloody honda riders...

[Maha]

Bloody honda riders...

I will bend over for my mates any day, except a day like today, to clammy.

[quickbuck]

Just some food for thought.
I have met a few people like Carver. but this was some time ago - in the days of young.
They would frequently do foolish things, that never harmed anyone except themselves. They would climb mountains, jump out of trees......you know "fun stuff".
Some of these people have gone professional doing "fun stuff", some are even gone professional.
We even promote this "fun stuff" as a country.
What law did carver brake? If he walked along the bridge beams would that also be considered illegal?


Reminds me of something I got today..................

Schooling- 1957 vs. 2010

Scenario :
Jack goes rabbit shooting before school,
pulls into school parking lot with rifle in gun rack.

1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's rifle, goes to his car and gets his rifle & chats with Jack about guns.

2010 - School goes into lock down, Star Force called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again.. Counsellors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario:
Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.

1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.

2010 - Police called, arrests Johnny and Mark Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it. Both children go to anger management programs for 3 months. School board hold meeting to implement bullying prevention programs


Scenario :
Billy breaks a window in his neighbour's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.

2010 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison.

Scenario :
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.

1957 - Mark gets glass of water from Principal to take aspirin with.

2010 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario :
Pedro fails high school English.

1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.

2010 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. AFRE files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario :
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from Guy Fawkes, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a bull ant nest.

1957 - Ants die.

2010- State Police, Star Force, Federal Police & Anti-terrorism Squad called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, Feds investigate parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated. Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario :
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary . Mary hugs him to comfort him.

1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2010 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

[AllanB]

I wonder what type of oil he uses in his bikes.......

[AllanB]

I am not surprised.

HOWEVER


I does occur to me that I can drive/fly down to Queenstown and jump off a bridge with only a thin line of rubber attached to me, or run off a mountain attached by a small strap to another man with a delicate wing strapped to his back, or ride in a boat at high speed doing donuts, broadies and trying to get as close to a cliff face as possible in said boat at high speed ...... etc etc ..... all legally.


In-fact I will actually be CHARGED a lot of money to do these reckless things and the NZ Government spends millions of dollars every year trying to get tourists to do them as well.


Funny old world ..........

[SixPackBack]

I am not surprised.

HOWEVER


I does occur to me that I can drive/fly down to Queenstown and jump off a bridge with only a thin line of rubber attached to me, or run off a mountain attached by a small strap to another man with a delicate wing strapped to his back, or ride in a boat at high speed doing donuts, broadies and trying to get as close to a cliff face as possible in said boat at high speed ...... etc etc ..... all legally.


In-fact I will actually be CHARGED a lot of money to do these reckless things and the NZ Government spends millions of dollars every year trying to get tourists to do them as well.


Funny old world ..........

..........in much the same way as the hypocritical tossers in parliament collect hundred of millions of dollars from tobacco/alcohol tax, and then stick weed smokers in prison.??

Without risk takers like Carver the world would be one sad place.......I doubt there is a person on KB who has not watched dirty sanchez, jackass et al and thought fuck yeah. Good onya Carver, you're a legend.

[Quasievil]

[/B]Good onya Carver, you're a legend.


Carver a Legend ?
I love this thread its got the funniest shit ever in it

[Big Dave]

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[SixPackBack]

Carver a Legend ?
I love this thread its got the funniest shit ever in it

Yes it does Quasi..........has a fair share of hypocrisy, jealousy, and sour grapes as well.;)

[Quasievil]

Yes it does Quasi..........has a fair share of hypocrisy, jealousy, and sour grapes as well.;)


OMG Sixpack youre dillusional!!

[NordieBoy]

OMG Sixpack youre dillusional!!

.....hypocrisy, dillusionality, jealousy, and sour grapes as well.

[carver]

OMG Sixpack youre dillusional!!

that is a bit rich from you.....


what about his above posts can you not understand?

[Quasievil]

.....hypocrisy, dillusionality, jealousy, and sour grapes as well.

Sour Grapes Eh, you think lol whatever you think guys
To Clarify I think its funny that Carver is getting done by the cops, and I applaud the cops for taking him to the cleaners, I would. If you or anyone has a problem with that fine I dont care, Carver is a tool and has it coming for a long time and in Hamilton many feel this way to and rightly so.
He did a dum stunt, bragged about it and got caught.........thats some funny shit and on a personal note with the Dickhead shit Carver has done to me many times over my thinking is its nothing short of fucking brilliant!!
Dont like it? to bad, thats my view , get over it

[Quasievil]

that is a bit rich from you.....


what about his above posts can you not understand?

I understand my view, thats all that matters to me Carver.
And Im not sucking up to any fashionable opinion............I have my own

Hope you get your serve from the Law soon, and hopefully they take you off the road as you're a menace, the fact that you haven't killed yourself or someone else by now is fucking amazing, a Licence is a privilege not a right and you....... dont deserve one

[FJRider]

.....hypocrisy, dillusionality, jealousy, and sour grapes as well.

it just gets better ... and better ..... :lol: :killingme

[SixPackBack]

Sour Grapes Eh, you think lol whatever you think guys
To Clarify I think its funny that Carver is getting done by the cops, and I applaud the cops for taking him to the cleaners, I would. If you or anyone has a problem with that fine I dont care, Carver is a tool and has it coming for a long time and in Hamilton many feel this way to and rightly so.
He did a dum stunt, bragged about it and got caught.........thats some funny shit and on a personal note with the Dickhead shit Carver has done to me many times over my thinking is its nothing short of fucking brilliant!!
Dont like it? to bad, thats my view , get over it

Sidewinder will not be impressed.

196994

[NordieBoy]

it just gets better ... and better ..... :lol: :killingme

Comes with everything but Yule Brynner...

[carver]

I understand my view, thats all that matters to me Carver.
And Im not sucking up to any fashionable opinion............I have my own

Hope you get your serve from the Law soon, and hopefully they take you off the road as you're a menace, the fact that you haven't killed yourself or someone else by now is fucking amazing, a Licence is a privilege not a right and you....... dont deserve one

I am starting to doubt your honesty there sir....

It is people like you and the police that assist me so much in making a name for myself, priceless free publicity, nationwide, for a slight inconvenicence and small fine..
a bit of a bargin really.

Il make good use of my disqual time, trials here i come!

[Quasievil]

I am starting to doubt your honesty there sir....

It is people like you and the police that assist me so much in making a name for myself, priceless free publicity, nationwide, for a slight inconvenicence and small fine..
a bit of a bargin really.

Il make good use of my disqual time, trials here i come!

LOL, its true then you have turned straight..............no amount of baiting will enable the clock to go back to twat Carver.
Oh well welcome to the real world, you still deserve your fine and fucking good job.

I have to say a ......name for yourself ? as what tho?

HEHE

[FJRider]

All we need now is a poll to guess number of months his loss of licence will be for ... :lol:

[Maha]

All we need now is a poll to guess number of months his loss of licence will be for ... :lol:

Easy there FJ you give some other winner an idea to start yet another 'Save A Carver' (or SAC) Fund....;)

[Smifffy]

It is people like you and the police that assist me so much in making a name for myself, priceless free publicity, nationwide, for a slight inconvenicence and small fine..
a bit of a bargin really.


You don't think that this could prejudice your case/sentence?

Just because your lawyer works for free, no need to make his job more difficult...

:crazy:

[FJRider]

Easy there FJ you give some other winner an idea to start yet another 'Save A Carver' (or SAC) Fund....;)

I just hope he has enough friends ... with money. :killingme

[Ixion]

I understand my view, thats all that matters to me Carver.
And Im not sucking up to any fashionable opinion............I have my own

Hope you get your serve from the Law soon, and hopefully they take you off the road as you're a menace, the fact that you haven't killed yourself or someone else by now is fucking amazing, a Licence is a privilege not a right and you....... dont deserve one

I myself know of nothing in Mr Carver's riding history that would validate the statements above. And a licence *is* a right, not a privlege. The law is quite clear. Meet the qualification criteria and any person is entitled to a licnec. There is no privilege at all. Indeed, not even any discretion.

[steve_t]

... a licence *is* a right, not a privlege. The law is quite clear. Meet the qualification criteria and any person is entitled to a licnec. There is no privilege at all. Indeed, not even any discretion.

But with rights come responsibility. How are your rights to a licence perceived once you hit 100 demerit points?

[avgas]

In-fact I will actually be CHARGED a lot of money to do these reckless things and the NZ Government spends millions of dollars every year trying to get tourists to do them as well.

Not always the case.
I don't get charge anything to throw my mountain bike off a cliff (the landing however).
Likewise I would like to see the red bull guys say they get charged to do stuff.

[Smifffy]

I myself know of nothing in Mr Carver's riding history that would validate the statements above. And a licence *is* a right, not a privlege. The law is quite clear. Meet the qualification criteria and any person is entitled to a licnec. There is no privilege at all. Indeed, not even any discretion.

Exhibit A ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq183qTbYz4

[Quasievil]

I myself know of nothing in Mr Carver's riding history that would validate the statements above. And a licence *is* a right, not a privlege. The law is quite clear. Meet the qualification criteria and any person is entitled to a licnec. There is no privilege at all. Indeed, not even any discretion.

What part of "my opinion didnt you get?

And I have a basis to mine so it is suitably formed

you should change your name to Sheldon mate lol

[avgas]

OMG Sixpack youre dillusional!!
Dillusion is a state of perspective.
According to previous posts done by you one could assume that your perspective is quite particular.
Good or bad, that is not up to me to judge.
But have you considered this:
- What if you got Carver on your side, perhaps even went as far as sponsorship etc
I can only see positive connotations associated with it if you tie him into contracts where he did not reflect badly on his sponsorship.
Under Carvers "reckless" attitude, is actually a very skilled and fearless individual. Whom pointed in the right direction could possibly go quite far. I am yet to see another kiwi attempt a bridge stunt as he performed (not saying no-one is out there - just saying I haven't seen it).

If you look at Red Bull at the moment they are putting a guy to the edge of space to break nasa's freefall speed record. Completely insane - but MASSIVE marketing. You also in the past have sponsored stuff that is out to break records. Did anyone come back to you and say "I wont buy from you because breaking a speed record is reckless and stupid".

Fuck it sounds so good I have no idea why I am telling you - I should just do it myself and reap the rewards.

[Quasievil]

exhibit B

http://www.youtube.com/user/scarwall#p/u/29/iAoA_7DxKWI

Exhibit C

http://www.youtube.com/user/scarwall#p/u/29/iAoA_7DxKWI

Exhibit D

http://www.youtube.com/user/scarwall#p/u/33/gAmdVE89-VI

like I said lucky he hasnt killed himself or someone else.

[Maha]

You don't think that this could prejudice your case/sentence?

Just because your lawyer works for free, no need to make his job more difficult...

:crazy:

Carver just gets caught up in his own Hysteria at times.
Nice chap, pretty good in front of a camera, but loves to talk about him more than anything.

[Quasievil]

- What if you got Carver on your side, perhaps even went as far as sponsorship etc



Yeah good plan I could give him free stuff and he could use it and bag the stuff online eh

Im not sure of any local business that appreciates Carver, he has worn most welcome matts out in these parts (think he is even banned from Boyds) yup made a name for himself in Hams for sure

Funny, Im just enjoying being a prick to him today......he aint biting tho trying hard to!!

[STJim]

Any ideas on when we can expect a judgment and thence the full story, so that I can avoid all of the supposition and bush lawyer antics on this thread until then?
Or will it be easier to watch for a new thread to be started once the judgement is handed down?

Expect this to be early April Will set up a fresh thread

[STJim]

All we need now is a poll to guess number of months his loss of licence will be for ... :lol:

Why don't you set it up

[SixPackBack]

Yeah good plan I could give him free stuff and he could use it and bag the stuff online eh

Im not sure of any local business that appreciates Carver, he has worn most welcome matts out in these parts (think he is even banned from Boyds) yup made a name for himself in Hams for sure

Funny, Im just enjoying being a prick to him today......he aint biting tho trying hard to!!

I would make the observation that 'being a prick' will hurt your business much more than damaging Carver in any way.

[Quasievil]

I would make the observation that 'being a prick' will hurt your business much more than damaging Carver in any way.

I would enlighten you to the fact the the NZ market is way bigger than the few who are on KB, as well as the fact that judging by the massive rep I seem to be getting the opposite is true.

Anyhow, who is out to damage Carver other than himself and the Law, not much I can do apart from laugh at the situation he got himself into......laugh laugh

[Oscar]

Dillusion is a state of perspective.

Under Carvers "reckless" attitude, is actually a very skilled and fearless individual. Whom pointed in the right direction could possibly go quite far. I am yet to see another kiwi attempt a bridge stunt as he performed (not saying no-one is out there - just saying I haven't seen it).



.

Firstly, the line between "skilled and fearless" and "over confident & stupid" is very fine. Carver's previous record would put him more toward the latter category in my opinion.

Secondly, that stunt has been done before.

[mister.koz]

Firstly, the line between "skilled and fearless" and "over confident & stupid" is very fine. Carver's previous record would put him more toward the latter category in my opinion.

Secondly, that stunt has been done before.

Video? I'd be keen to check it out :)

[Scouse]

I would make the observation that 'being a prick' will hurt your business much more than damaging Carver in any way.Yep but isnt it funny how he does not seem to grasp this fact.

[FJRider]

Why don't you set it up

I feel infraction points are for sharing ... my last poll (on this particular member I recall) got a few ...

A second go at the same member ... :no:

[DougieNZ]

I wasn't going to reply to this thread. I am reluctant to do so to feed carver;'s obvious penchant for self publicity but here goes. Reading the thread I think my thoughts echo several peoples on this site and thread.

The problem here is not the "stunt" itself. I would fight for the right for anyone to do such an activity. Provided the only person they are pitting at risk is themselves - and that it didn't majorly inconvenience other people wanting to go about their lawful business.

The problem is that the "stunt" was not planned and preformed in such a way to avoid risk to innocent people. what would have happened if he had have fallen on innocent people underneath and killed them? Would the same discussion be taking place? What if it was your brother/sister that was killed? Would you just say "oh well., bad luck"?

People have compared this action to bungy jumping... what? 2 things.

To be able to undertake such actitivies an operator would requirte sign off. This would include full risk assessments and what controls have been put in place to minimise risk to the participants and others. Events would have to be properly planned and carried out in a way to minimise risk.

Also, the particiapnts would have to sign a form saying they are aware of the risks and chose to undertake the activity.

Then we get to the actions after the event. Do we say afterwards - "oh well that was a bit silly - I wrongly put people at risk and I will do it poperly next time"?

No - we publish it on the internet and discuss it on various web sites - then try to defend the actions and in effect challenge the police to prosecute?

Well I for one are glad the police and the judiciary have taken up the challenge on my behalf.....

[trustme]

It is people like you and the police that assist me so much in making a name for myself, priceless free publicity, nationwide, for a slight inconvenicence and small fine..
a bit of a bargin really.



Of all the posts I have seen in this thread this is the one that I find the most disconcerting, contrary to popular opinion not all publicity is good publicity. I suspect most within the motorcycle industry would run a mile rather than be associated with a this sort of stunt as it tends to allienate a large proportion of their potential market & joe public at large
If you think this a the way to carve out a career you should do a little navel gazing or you will end up being a legend in your own luchtime & an irrelevance to everyone else.
Who has the likes of Red Bull lined up with Chris Birch or you, who creates a better image,who would they want to sponsor or promote, bit of a no brainer IMHO

Cool stunt but dumb move, time will tell

[scumdog]

I wasn't going to reply to this thread. I am reluctant to do so to feed carver;'s obvious penchant for self publicity but here goes. Reading the thread I think my thoughts echo several peoples on this site and thread.

The problem here is not the "stunt" itself. I would fight for the right for anyone to do such an activity. Provided the only person they are pitting at risk is themselves - and that it didn't majorly inconvenience other people wanting to go about their lawful business.

The problem is that the "stunt" was not planned and preformed in such a way to avoid risk to innocent people. what would have happened if he had have fallen on innocent people underneath and killed them? Would the same discussion be taking place? What if it was your brother/sister that was killed? Would you just say "oh well., bad luck"?

People have compared this action to bungy jumping... what? 2 things.

To be able to undertake such actitivies an operator would requirte sign off. This would include full risk assessments and what controls have been put in place to minimise risk to the participants and others. Events would have to be properly planned and carried out in a way to minimise risk.

Also, the particiapnts would have to sign a form saying they are aware of the risks and chose to undertake the activity.

Then we get to the actions after the event. Do we say afterwards - "oh well that was a bit silly - I wrongly put people at risk and I will do it poperly next time"?

No - we publish it on the internet and discuss it on various web sites - then try to defend the actions and in effect challenge the police to prosecute?

Well I for one are glad the police and the judiciary have taken up the challenge on my behalf.....

Good post that man!:niceone:

[SixPackBack]

I wasn't going to reply to this thread. I am reluctant to do so to feed carver;'s obvious penchant for self publicity but here goes. Reading the thread I think my thoughts echo several peoples on this site and thread.

The problem here is not the "stunt" itself. I would fight for the right for anyone to do such an activity. Provided the only person they are pitting at risk is themselves - and that it didn't majorly inconvenience other people wanting to go about their lawful business.

The problem is that the "stunt" was not planned and preformed in such a way to avoid risk to innocent people. what would have happened if he had have fallen on innocent people underneath and killed them? Would the same discussion be taking place? What if it was your brother/sister that was killed? Would you just say "oh well., bad luck"?

People have compared this action to bungy jumping... what? 2 things.

To be able to undertake such actitivies an operator would requirte sign off. This would include full risk assessments and what controls have been put in place to minimise risk to the participants and others. Events would have to be properly planned and carried out in a way to minimise risk.

Also, the particiapnts would have to sign a form saying they are aware of the risks and chose to undertake the activity.

Then we get to the actions after the event. Do we say afterwards - "oh well that was a bit silly - I wrongly put people at risk and I will do it poperly next time"?

No - we publish it on the internet and discuss it on various web sites - then try to defend the actions and in effect challenge the police to prosecute?

Well I for one are glad the police and the judiciary have taken up the challenge on my behalf.....

Emotive clap trap.

Some of the first bungy jumping in the world was conducted off the Greenhithe bridge-without prior consent.

[scumdog]

Emotive clap trap.

Some of the first bungy jumping in the world was conducted off the Greenhithe bridge-without prior consent.

Next thing you'll be telling us that the first motorcyclists rode without a licence......

[trustme]

Out of the depths of my memory , they legged it before the plod arrived at Greenhithe & there was no you tube to publicise it in those days. I think they also jumped from the AK harbour Bridge but the coppers were on to them & they got prosecuted for it but I could be wrong , sort of sticks in my memory because my dentist was one of the AJ's original sidekicks & one of the original jumpers.

The emotive clap trap as you call it reflects the opinion of the majority

Drifters have cred, boy racers doing burnouts don't
Racers have cred , street racers don't
Stunt riders have cred , Carver doesn't

[scumdog]

Out of the depths of my memory , they legged it before the plod arrived at Greenhithe & there was no you tube to publicise it in those days. I think they also jumped from the AK harbour Bridge but the coppers were on to them & they got prosecuted for it but I could be wrong , sort of sticks in my memory because my dentist was one of the AJ's original sidekicks & one of the original jumpers.

The emotive clap trap as you call it reflects the opinion of the majority

Drifters have cred, boy racers doing burnouts don't
Racers have cred , street racers don't
Stunt riders have cred , Carver doesn't

Aw, c'mon, now you're ruining an argument by using logic - sheesh, this IS KB, logic don't come into it!

[Big Dave]

but loves to talk about him more than anything.

Well that's just damn inconsider...........

[trustme]

Sorry I won't let it happen again. Please continue dribbling at will.

[enigma51]

Next thing you'll be telling us that the first motorcyclists rode without a licence......

If you take spb age into account.
I would say its him!

[NordieBoy]

Next thing you'll be telling us that the first motorcyclists rode without a licence......

Or even a reg or ACC

[SixPackBack]

Out of the depths of my memory , they legged it before the plod arrived at Greenhithe & there was no you tube to publicise it in those days. I think they also jumped from the AK harbour Bridge but the coppers were on to them & they got prosecuted for it but I could be wrong , sort of sticks in my memory because my dentist was one of the AJ's original sidekicks & one of the original jumpers.

The emotive clap trap as you call it reflects the opinion of the majority

Drifters have cred, boy racers doing burnouts don't
Racers have cred , street racers don't
Stunt riders have cred , Carver doesn't

My memory is clear on the subject. I remember watching the guys jump from Greenhithe bridge, back in the days when the righteous were collectively a lot younger in age, and the general populace allowed to skin their knees without a bunch of whiney old trouts going apoplectic.

They jumped many times the night we were there without police intervention or geriatrics waving their walking sticks.

Do not assume you speak for KB, or the wider biking community. Carvers stunt poised no more danger to himself or others than the average rider experiences at a track day.

[Big Dave]

>>Carvers stunt poised no more danger .... or others.<<

Disagree. And that's the crux of the whole deal - some schmuck driving on the bridge could have seen him, freaked and crashed - or possibly been fallen upon.

Nobody cares what happens to Carver - it's the potential to implicate others that they are making an example of.

[trustme]

My memory is clear on the subject. I remember watching the guys jump from Greenhithe bridge, back in the days when the righteous were collectively a lot younger in age, and the general populace allowed to skin their knees without a bunch of whiney old trouts going apoplectic.

They jumped many times the night we were there without police intervention or geriatrics waving their walking sticks.

Do not assume you speak for KB, or the wider biking community. Carvers stunt poised no more danger to himself or others than the average rider experiences at a track day.

Congratulations , best piece of emotive clap trap I've seen in ages.

[Quasievil]

Carvers stunt poised no more danger to himself or others than the average rider experiences at a track day.


Well clearly you dont know the bridge, one side a road with people in cars the other side a footpath with people walking.
It was dangerous and it was a stoopid thing to do, a motorcycle falling on your head would certainly kill you, a motorcycle falling through your windscreen would likely do the same thing.

[Smifffy]

Nobody cares what happens to Carver - it's the potential to implicate others that they are making an example of.

He knows he's in the poo, and has expects that he will get a fine and some disqualification as a consequence. He considers it a bargain, in return for some publicity.

The interesting thing will be to see how well he has calculated what the likely sentence will be.

[SixPackBack]

>>Carvers stunt poised no more danger .... or others.<<

Disagree. And that's the crux of the whole deal - some schmuck driving on the bridge could have seen him, freaked and crashed - or possibly been fallen upon.

Nobody cares what happens to Carver - it's the potential to implicate others that they are making an example of.

If my Aunty possibly had balls she would be my Uncle. But thats one gigantic fooken IF!

Circular pointless arguements are meeningless.......There are more than a couple of folk on this thread who are more interested in sticking to Carver, than having a cogniscent, and logical disscusion about the bridge crossing event.

We celebrate A.J.Hackett as a pioneer in adventure tourism, yet the bungy could have snapped causing harm to others. It did'nt and A.J went on to form a new sport, employee a good number of Kiwi's and make a shit load of money. Same thing applies to Dirty Sanchez, Jackass and the red bull events.

[Ixion]

Yes indeed. An ad homoinem argument if ever there was one. Sorry, couldn't resist it.

[StoneY]

Drifters have cred, boy racers doing burnouts don't
Racers have cred , street racers don't
Stunt riders have cred , Carver doesn't

So tell me Trustme, did THIS drifter who fucked up MY legacy from a mere 200m away (got to 150kmh DRIFTING in 200m of my Mums street from launch to crunch) has any fuckin cred at all?

Carvers stunt was utterly harmless by comparison, his mormon few mates were the people on the bridge, get the fuck over yaself

Go Carver, your vanity is a bit much but ya stunt rocked

This 20 year old cunt in a 700 horsepower Sylvia ruined my utterly imacculate Legacy, was over the limit by half, and police estimate 150kmh impact. Sunday night 11pm...drifters....pfffft fuck em all shoot the cunts

[StoneY]

Yes indeed. An ad homoinem argument if ever there was one. Sorry, couldn't resist it.

Les, please dumb that down for da stoners bruv ;)

[Ronin]

If my Aunty possibly had balls she would be my Uncle. But thats one gigantic fooken IF!

Circular pointless arguements are meeningless.......There are more than a couple of folk on this thread who are more interested in sticking to Carver, than having a cogniscent, and logical disscusion about the bridge crossing event.

We celebrate A.J.Hackett as a pioneer in adventure tourism, yet the bungy could have snapped causing harm to others. It did'nt and A.J went on to form a new sport, employee a good number of Kiwi's and make a shit load of money. Same thing applies to Dirty Sanchez, Jackass and the red bull events.

I'm pretty sure that if you checked with Mt Hackett he would say that if there was a risk on an innocent bystander being injured then he would not have gone ahead. It's one thing to risk your own life and limb, quite another to risk someone else's. No matter how good you may think carvers skills are, you have to admit, there was a chance, no matter how slim that he could have fallen onto a car. My opinion of that is that it is an unacceptable risk. Does he have balls for riding over it? yeah. Is he an idiot for the way he went about it? yeah

[Ronin]

Carvers stunt was utterly harmless by comparison, his mormon few mates were the people on the bridge, get the fuck over yaself



Did the drifter (who by the way is indeed a cock) have innocent people 2 or 3 meters away from him?

[Smifffy]

So tell me Trustme, did THIS drifter who fucked up MY legacy from a mere 200m away (got to 150kmh DRIFTING in 200m of my Mums street from launch to crunch) has any fuckin cred at all?


I think in the context of the TrustMe post, your miscreant would be the boy racer doing a burnout, and the drifters he is talking about are the guys that do it at the track in organised events.

HTH

[StoneY]

Did the drifter (who by the way is indeed a cock) have innocent people 2 or 3 meters away from him?

Yep, there were people walking on the footpath a mere lane width and grass berm away
From the other thread (Carvers Legal Fund) we established that those below were aware of him, and there as support, yes/no?

But its still moot everyone crying over what MIGHT have happened...cotton fuckin wooll society all over, ban bull rush, insist on mouthgaurds for touch games, rubber matts in playgrounds.... No one was hurt, 15 pages of wasted text

[mister.koz]

If it was a harmless, risk-less stunt then it wouldn't have attracted so much attention.

If people hadn't been put in danger then the plod would simply have given him a ride in the padi wagon quickly around some corners to give him a scare and then dropped him off home without charges.

Why don't we all wait and see how things go instead of comparing this stunt - danger to public aside I reckon looked pretty cool and took some skill and allot of balls or a little brain.. you pick - to a pioneer adventure sport or the invention of the motorcycle. Seriously people wtf?

I do think it was funny that carver said he had a wicked stunt coming up and in response I said "what, taking your gixxer over the fairfield bridge humps?" - he had nothing to say, I've never seen carver so quiet...

[mister.koz]

But its still moot everyone crying over what MIGHT have happened...cotton fuckin wooll society all over, ban bull rush, insist on mouthgaurds for touch games, rubber matts in playgrounds.... No one was hurt, 15 pages of wasted text

To be fair i've seen more nasty injuries in touch than rugby... who ever said it was a non contact sport?

Bullrush however, that was fun :D

[merv]

I'm beginning to think this thread has got a bit ridiculous with the comments coming from a bunch of bikers here on KB that unless they are hypocrites have never ever done anything stupid like exceeded the speed limit, especially in a 50km/hr zone where any kid could run out on the street etc etc. They are all going on about risk to other people yet how many of those posting have done things on their bikes that if analysed to death like on this thread in fact could be perceived as putting others at risk?

I have read threads on here expressing real sympathy/empathy or whatever for bikers that have just been plain dumb and crazy and have either got injured or killed and some have hit cars or other bikers (Coro loop, Rimutaka Hill or wherever the crashes have occurred) and they have seriously put others at risk and probably did daily everytime they rode until their crash, yet they get the no trashing, but a controlled stunt by carver seems to have been deemed the worst thing that a man could do on earth.

That's how it seems to me, am I right or are all the guys posting negative comments about carver indeed perfect saints?

[Smifffy]

If it was a harmless, risk-less stunt then it wouldn't have attracted so much attention.


It was Carver that went and SOUGHT out all the attention. The day after the stunt it probably would have been forgotten and passed into urban legend material, but due to an ego demanding some form notoriety, the noses of the authorites got tweaked, and in response to "nyah nyah nyah" from Carver, the authorities said "fuck you, time to make an example"

[mister.koz]

Depends what you mean by negative?

And yes i am a saint, never done a thing wrong and my shit/poos smell like roses.

[Smifffy]

I have read threads on here expressing real sympathy/empathy or whatever for bikers that have just been plain dumb and crazy and have either got injured or killed and some have hit cars or other bikers (Coro loop, Rimutaka Hill or wherever the crashes have occurred) and they have seriously put others at risk and probably did daily everytime they rode until their crash, yet they get the no trashing, but a controlled stunt by carver seems to have been deemed the worst thing that a man could do on earth.



Controlled stunts cost money. He didn't want to pay in advance, so now the Judiciary is going to send him a bill. He still thinks it's going to be a bargain.

[mister.koz]

I'd be interested to know how much it would cost to set up a stunt like that with all the tee's crossed and the eye's dotted.....

[Smifffy]

I'd be interested to know how much it would cost to set up a stunt like that with all the tee's crossed and the eye's dotted.....

Ask him, he claims to have investigated that option, but decided that it was too expensive, and this way would be much cheaper.

[Maha]

Controlled stunts cost money. He didn't want to pay in advance, so now the Judiciary is going to send him a bill. He still thinks it's going to be a bargain.

Possibly the reason behind this epic fail http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/118252-Mormon-few-T-shirts?p=1129637911#post1129637911

He should get in touch with Close-Up, maybe they will set up a tear fund for Carver?...:weep:

[Big Dave]

I'd be interested to know how much it would cost to set up a stunt like that with all the tee's crossed and the eye's dotted.....

I think you have to clear Punctuation stunts with Hitcher.

[mister.koz]

I think you have to clear Punctuation stunts with Hitcher.

You may be right :)

This has been discussed (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/87323-Spelling-nazis?highlight=spelling+nazis) before

[mister.koz]

I think you have to clear Punctuation stunts with Hitcher.

You may be right :)

This has been discussed (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/87323-Spelling-nazis?highlight=spelling+nazis) before

[carver]

Carver just gets caught up in his own Hysteria at times.
Nice chap, pretty good in front of a camera, but loves to talk about him more than anything.


I am not that bad man, you should know that!


Yeah good plan I could give him free stuff and he could use it and bag the stuff online eh

Im not sure of any local business that appreciates Carver, he has worn most welcome matts out in these parts (think he is even banned from Boyds) yup made a name for himself in Hams for sure

Funny, Im just enjoying being a prick to him today......he aint biting tho trying hard to!!

more lies.....

I boyds and I are pretty tight, and we are friendly with all the staff, as i am with honda....

I thought you and i had a argeement, it seems to be a bit fucked, so what next?

[Maha]

I am not that bad man, you should know that!

It might have sounded a bit harsh but I did say that were a nice chap also.

[DougieNZ]

That's how it seems to me, am I right or are all the guys posting negative comments about carver indeed perfect saints?

Surely you know I am Merv? :woohoo::eek5:

[merv]

Surely you know I am Merv? :woohoo::eek5:

Haha you're the only one that has replied to that question so at least you're an honest liar of a saint eh! Never broken the law on an ST1300 indeed lol. Crikey you'll be going for coffee in Kaikoura next.

Me, I'm neither a hypocrite nor a saint hence I won't criticise carver for giving it a go, nor do I speak for or against those that have stuffed up. What would this thread have looked like if carver had stuffed up?

[carver]

Haha you're the only one that has replied to that question so at least you're an honest liar of a saint eh! Never broken the law on an ST1300 indeed lol. Crikey you'll be going for coffee in Kaikoura next.

Me, I'm neither a hypocrite nor a saint hence I won't criticise carver for giving it a go, nor do I speak for or against those that have stuffed up. What would this thread have looked like if carver had stuffed up?

wouldn't have happened....

there would be more of a chance of seeing a possum running over it that day

[SixPackBack]

Readers might want to spare a thought to the real risk undertaken by 'lawfull' motorcycling pursuits.


The infamous coro loop:

Rider vs car resulting in death.
Rider vs rider resulting in multiple fatality.
Rider losing control in a bend ending in death.
Endless accidents resulting in severe injury.
High risk of further accidents involving innocent motorists and bystanders.
High motorcycle participation rate.
Track racing:


Rider vs rider resulting in death.
Rider losing control resulting in death.
High risk of injury everytime rider takes to the track.
High motorcycle participation rate.
Riding over bridge ramparts:


No reported deaths
No reported injury
Exceedingly small participation rate
The likelihood of another individual riding over bridge ramparts on that bridge or any other is self regulating. With the exception of the insane, delusional or suicidal rider the possibility of this becoming a common event are infinitesimally small. Carver planned for the event for some time, trained and had specialised skills in order to pull the stunt off.

Coro GP and motorcycling are another story: any twat can turn up and scare themselves and others witless [and frequently do!]. Many have died and many will continue to do so. In comparison to the bridge stunt: both racing and the coro loop should be shut down immediately.

[Quasievil]

SPB if you want to be in the Moron few than just ask.

I was going to wrie lot of other stuff but cant be bothered, but you method of justification for the bridge stunt is a tad silly

[Oscar]

Readers might want to spare a thought to the real risk undertaken by 'lawfull' motorcycling pursuits.


The infamous coro loop:

Rider vs car resulting in death.
Rider vs rider resulting in multiple fatality.
Rider losing control in a bend ending in death.
Endless accidents resulting in severe injury.
High risk of further accidents involving innocent motorists and bystanders.
High motorcycle participation rate.
Track racing:


Rider vs rider resulting in death.
Rider losing control resulting in death.
High risk of injury everytime rider takes to the track.
High motorcycle participation rate.
Riding over bridge ramparts:


No reported deaths
No reported injury
Exceedingly small participation rate
The likelihood of another individual riding over bridge ramparts on that bridge or any other is self regulating. With the exception of the insane, delusional or suicidal rider the possibility of this becoming a common event are infinitesimally small. Carver planned for the event for some time, trained and had specialised skills in order to pull the stunt off.

Coro GP and motorcycling are another story: any twat can turn up and scare themselves and others witless [and frequently do!]. Many have died and many will continue to do so. In comparison to the bridge stunt: both racing and the coro loop should be shut down immediately.

What an interesting piece of "logic".
This could be used to justify a whole lot of felony behaviour.

"I know I was doing 100mph on Victoria Street, Your Honour - but I'm highly skilled and I trained for it".

"My wheelie across the Harbour Bridge, two up, on the wrong side of the road...? I'm highly skilled and I trained for it"

The problem with this argument is:

The fact is that we only have Carvers word that he is highly skilled.
Most of the accident victims on the Coro Loop would have considered themselves to be highly skilled.
All of the riders crashing in Motorcycling racing are highly skilled, but they still crashed.

[Big Dave]

I'll nip outside and see if I can find any more straws for SPB to clutch!

His problem is the Court's desire to establish a precedent of disincentive to others who may contemplate similar stunts.
So that some Goober after seeing the stunt done, but with less skill than Carver, doesn't plummet through an innocent's sunroof.
Regardless of skill, bravado and entertainment value - it is still an essentially stupid thing to do.

Personally - I was entertained by the whole thing - still am.

[Oscar]

I'll nip outside and see if I can find any more straws for SPB to clutch.



Personally - I was entertained by the whole thing - still am.

Entertaining?
I haven't laughed so much since Granny got her tits caught in the manglewurzle.

I also suspect that there are more than straws being clutched hereabouts...

[mister.koz]

Entertaining?
I haven't laughed so much since Granny got her tits caught in the manglewurzle.

I also suspect that there are more than straws being clutched hereabouts...

hahahaha, yeah there's definately entertainment and straws going on here

[avgas]

Well clearly you dont know the bridge, one side a road with people in cars the other side a footpath with people walking.
It was dangerous and it was a stoopid thing to do, a motorcycle falling on your head would certainly kill you, a motorcycle falling through your windscreen would likely do the same thing.

Errrr I saw NO ONE but carver in that vid.......While I agree with your sentiments towards people replicating the stunt, I think you may be simply trying to hammer someone rather than help them.
If you don't think Carver is doing the right thing - what are you doing to fix it?
Its very easy to simply label someone, but very hard to try and help them change what they do.
We were all young an dumb at one stage in our lives. Then something changes.
Caver needs that something to direct his skills to better use. That is all.

[SixPackBack]

I'll nip outside and see if I can find any more straws for SPB to clutch!

His problem is the Court's desire establish a precedent of disincentive to others who may contemplate similar stunts.
So that some Goober after seeing the stunt done, but with less skill than Carver, doesn't plummet through an innocent's sunroof.
Regardless of skill, bravado and entertainment value - it is still an essentially a stupid thing to do.

Personally - I was entertained by the whole thing - still am.

Driving a motorcycle is a stupid thing to do full stop.

The purpose of the courts is to entertain a legal system, and not as many believe a justice system. They really could not care less about motorcyclists, the general public or Carver. They care about one thing. CONTROL.

I noticed not to many are willing to argue the risk assessment angle of coro/track versus Carvers stunt, in-spite of the carnage many have witnessed. Hypocrites.

[avgas]

Anyhow, who is out to damage Carver other than himself and the Law, not much I can do apart from laugh at the situation he got himself into......laugh laugh
Apparently you. Seems 100's of others have actually stayed out of this conversation - and I imagine a large percentage of them probably dislike Carver as much as you.

Also I notice here that someone has mentioned - what if this went the other way. What would happen.
Its pretty simple actually.
- DB would say something like "He fucken deserved it"
- Quasi would slam DB for speaking his mind, then want him chucked off.
- A porn thread would start, then someone will complain about "not waving"
- Dean will get involved and say that he didn't wave because his is Maori

And so continues the circle of life.
Or would it?

[avgas]

hahahaha, yeah there's definately entertainment and straws going on here
Ha, reminds me of Hamilton pub crawls

[Oscar]

Ha, reminds me of Hamilton pub crawls

Reminds you?
If you have any memories, it can't have been a good night...

[mister.koz]

Reminds you?
If you have any memories, it can't have been a good night...

Yeah none spring to mind, although i have reports i may have been there for 7 years or so...

$1 tequila shots at the fats

[Oscar]

Yeah none spring to mind, although i have reports i may have been there for 7 years or so...

$1 tequila shots at the fats

Hamilton Motorcycle Club Pushbike Pub crawl 1981 - mayhem...

[avgas]

Reminds you?
If you have any memories, it can't have been a good night...

Kept the memories and didn't gain any kids. Was a good night ;)

[mister.koz]

Hamilton Motorcycle Club Pushbike Pub crawl 1981 - mayhem...

HA! now that sounds awesome, of course now you'd all be done for DIC and the homies and the homeless would steal your bikes (and your ciggy buts).

[merv]

OK I still never really got any answers from hypocrites or saints or those in between like me, but it does sound like there is a general acceptance that much of motorcycling has risks associated with it and some people are clearly greater risk takers than others.

Even mention of pub crawls by pushbike that you can't remember afterwards reeks of great risks being taken and as the event can't be remembered they don't even know how many members of the public they put at risk anyway.

I only stepped into this thread when the stuff about carver putting the public at risk came into it. In my humble opinion I would rate what he did on a likelihood and consequence basis as low risk to the public.

What people do on the Coro loop probably fits more in the moderate risk category as the likelihood of hitting someone is higher in my view.

The only other thing, where was Lisa Lewis that day, surely she could have helped distract the public and keep them off the bridge - that is if there were even any public crossing the bridge then?

[Oscar]

OK I still never really got any answers from hypocrites or saints or those in between like me, but it does sound like there is a general acceptance that much of motorcycling has risks associated with it and some people are clearly greater risk takers than others.

Even mention of pub crawls by pushbike that you can't remember afterwards reeks of great risks being taken and as the event can't be remembered they don't even know how many members of the public they put at risk anyway.

I only stepped into this thread when the stuff about carver putting the public at risk came into it. In my humble opinion I would rate what he did on a likelihood and consequence basis as low risk to the public.

What people do on the Coro loop probably fits more in the moderate risk category as the likelihood of hitting someone is higher in my view.

The only other thing, where was Lisa Lewis that day, surely she could have helped distract the public and keep them off the bridge - that is if there were even any public crossing the bridge then?

That's some fairly suspect rationalisation going on there Merv.
As I said earlier, we have only Carvers assurance that he is an expert (and in his own postings here he tends to contradict himself).
Look on U Tube, at all the stupid crashes and near misses on bikes - most of those guys would say they were experts too.

If we accept that he is competent to pull this stunt, what about all the wannabes that come later? Can they do it?
No they fucking can't, and I tell you why - my wife and child cross that bridge twice a day.

When all is said and done, Carver knew what he did was wrong, and now he bleats about the consequences.

[mister.koz]

...
I only stepped into this thread when the stuff about carver putting the public at risk came into it. In my humble opinion I would rate what he did on a likelihood and consequence basis as low risk to the public.

What people do on the Coro loop probably fits more in the moderate risk category as the likelihood of hitting someone is higher in my view.
...


Ha humble opinion, there's nothing humble there.

I suspect that if people were caught doing the coro loop in a way that could risk public safety then they would be in trouble with the plod.

The fact is that we don't have a justice system, we have a legal system. On one hand you have people getting off dangerous driving charges because the cop put the wrong date down on the ticket and on the other hand you get some poor bugger who left a party pissed as, jumped in the drivers seat with the intention of sleeping it off in the car and being charged with DIC because there's no way to prove he wasn't going to drive. (both stories from mates - first one bough a radar that he can buy but can't use for speeding, the second one sleeps in the back seat now)

The same thing is happening here, carver did a stunt. Which i think was pretty awesome but did put people at risk. Allot of people thought this was awesome and because of this (and someone dobbed him in i think) the legal system got wind of it, found a reason for it not to be good and have pursued the action they can.

ps, i don't think someone could ride up a board, over the humps at a consistant speed and hop a bike off the other end without competence.

[merv]

Oscar, I have made just a few points on here and none of them were really about whether carver was an expert or not.

I originally questioned the legal issues and asked basically if a dangerous driving charge fitted the bill because I think the "judge shocked" is a bit ridiculous. Then when all the outpourings against carver occurred, I questioned the relativitiy of risk of his stunt to the public compared to the crazy riding that occurs by others on a regular basis - hence the hypocrite or saint question.

You are right about wannabes they can cause problems but what about relative risk? What is the likelihood your wife would be hit by a falling trials bike which was putting along slowly over the arches. She may hear it (unless she is deaf) and have time to see it before she went onto the bridge. Compare that to the missile sports bike coming around a blind bend so quickly that gets out of control and hits a car head on. Crikey as we know two of them couldn't even avoid hitting each other.

OK, so what now? Do we accept that yes the judge should be shocked, but not just at carver, but at the whole crazy motorcycling fraternity that we are part of?

I just didn't like seeing this stunt being singled out as so bad as if this will fix the world. Oscar, you have said yourself its not the first time the stunt has been done.

[Oscar]

Oscar, I have made just a few points on here and none of them were really about whether carver was an expert or not.

I originally questioned the legal issues and asked basically if a dangerous driving charge fitted the bill because I think the "judge shocked" is a bit ridiculous. Then when all the outpourings against carver occurred, I questioned the relativitiy of risk of his stunt to the public compared to the crazy riding that occurs by others on a regular basis - hence the hypocrite or saint question.

You are right about wannabes they can cause problems but what about relative risk? What is the likelihood your wife would be hit by a falling trials bike which was putting along slowly over the arches. She may hear it (unless she is deaf) and have time to see it before she went onto the bridge. Compare that to the missile sports bike coming around a blind bend so quickly that gets out of control and hits a car head on. Crikey as we know two of them couldn't even avoid hitting each other.

OK, so what now? Do we accept that yes the judge should be shocked, but not just at carver, but at the whole crazy motorcycling fraternity that we are part of?

I just didn't like seeing this stunt being singled out as so bad as if this will fix the world. Oscar, you have said yourself its not the first time the stunt has been done.


What has the Coro Loop or similar got to do with this?
This bridge is not on the open road or on a quiet back road, it's right in the middle of a metropolitan centre.

As someone has pointed out, illegal behaviour on that road or on a bridge arch will get you snapped by plod. By your "logic" any ex-racer (my good self for example), would have a defense against dangerous driving because they are competent.

The difference with this particular stunt and any others discussed is that the perpetrator is now bleating at having had his collar felt. He complained that plod has better things to do.

Now you're saying the judge should go easy 'cause people do worse things - that's like saying that beating your wife is OK, because at least you didn't beat your kids...

[avgas]

I suspect that if people were caught doing the coro loop in a way that could risk public safety then they would be in trouble with the plod..
Yes but didn't you hear speeding kills.
Smoking kills.
Riding motorbikes kills.
Having fun kills.

BAN THEM ALL!!!!!! AWAY WITH THE NON-BELIEVERS!!!!




heh
I agree that if something endangers Jo-blo than it is of concern. But here is a guy riding a bridge (empty at the time)........not doing anyone any harm except for himself.
Mabey I am wrong, mabey people shouldn't have a bit of sense of adventure - take a few risks.

[avgas]

we have only Carvers assurance that he is an expert
I actually think this doesn't matter. For the note I don't think Carver is an expert (sorry man - but hear me out).
Fact of the matter was for him to be an expert he would have this setup perfectly. He would have years of published experience behind him.
However also fact of the matter - he went out there knowing he was not an expert. And still attempted it.

This is earth shattering stuff - if he can do this as a junior, imagine what he would be like as a trained expert.

[avgas]

As someone has pointed out, illegal behaviour on that road or on a bridge arch will get you snapped by plod. By your "logic" any ex-racer (my good self for example), would have a defense against dangerous driving because they are competent.
Rather than own up?
Yeah you guys are real men in comparison to Carver.
Sorry man - but you basically said that the more skills you have, the more you whine about the man bringing you down.

[trustme]

Maybe , just maybe , Plod , the fire service the ambo's & the courts are sick & tired of picking up the pieces after someone does dumb shit that goes wrong.When someone does dumb shit, posts it on youtube saying ' look at me, look at me' , is it really surprising that the authorities look to hammer him.
There have been a few prosecutions overseas due to dickheads posting vids of their escapades on you tube, real dumb shit.

[Oscar]

Rather than own up?
Yeah you guys are real men in comparison to Carver.
Sorry man - but you basically said that the more skills you have, the more you whine about the man bringing you down.

Own up?
I doubt I'd own up, but I wouldn't complain about being caught - and I certainly wouldn't plaster the interweb with bragging, pictures and video footage (almost makes you think he wanted to be caught).

[NordieBoy]

Hamilton Motorcycle Club Pushbike Pub crawl 1981 - mayhem...

Have they finished yet?

[Oscar]

Have they finished yet?

We last saw Willy Huitema between the Royal and the Hilly, but he'll turn up...

[avgas]

Why aren't you drinking already?

Y'see, I think you peoples read me the wrtong way.
I am not supporting Carvr for breakin that law. I Just am supprise the judge was SHOcked.
I am also a disliking the bang-a-man when it he is down brigade.
He clearly has SOME skill and balls ot do hte stunt. Fark I wounl'dnt do that.
Fucking stupid that is.
Fucking big balls.
FARRKing Judicial nana

[oldrider]

There has always been "dumb shit" being done!

I.E. When the Auckland harbour bridge was completed, a Captain Fred Ladd immediately flew his aeroplane under it and pronounced himself a hero!

The stodgy authorities responded with a law to save pilots from themselves by taking risks and copying him!

I think carver showed balls and skill successfully crossing the bridge without incident or inconveniencing anyone!

That is his problem, he did it so well that nobody really noticed, so he was forced to advertise, to get attention!

So I say, well done carver!

Previous generations sit there tut tutting about "today's youth" tisc tisc etc! (like the judge in question)

The authorities have sprung into action, as they do and are now looking at ways to save bikers from themselves and to prevent minnie carvers copying his exploits!

If nobody ever took a risk and stepped out over the barriers and fences inflicted upon us by the cotton-wool brigade saving us from our sense of discovery and adventure, we would all still be living in caves and saying "UGh" to each other!

It would be better (IMHO) if the judge had been "electrocuted instead of just being shocked" at carver's behaviour!

Our youth needs more of carver's "yes I can" than the judges "no you can't" if we are going to become a great nation!

Fuck those stodgy smothering old bastards of this world, they have far too much influence than they should (IMHO) I suppose he has been giving name suppression to real criminals and kiddie fiddlers too!

Frustrated rant over now, I will have my tea and settle down. :mad:

[mister.koz]

There has always been "dumb shit" being done!

...

Our youth needs more of carver's "yes I can" than the judges "no you can't" if we are going to become a great nation!

...


So you are saying that there should be more people around doing dumb shit? Wait didn't we want our ACC level to go down a little?

Have you been on the road lately? People doing dumb shit is all around us! I had some little 15 year old try and race me today in a rotary starlet on cut springs... (funny part was the car was probably > 10 years older than him)

I think the problem you are talking about is not a lack of hero's, its apathy, people who just can't be arsed learning because everything is easy.

[paturoa]

I think carver showed balls and skill successfully crossing the bridge without incident or inconveniencing anyone!


There is always a depends.....

The issue here for me is not about inconvenience, its about him deciding to put other people at risk. If he fucked up this particular stunt he could have hurt innocents like ewenme. So no, he shouldn't have done this particular one.

Now if he'd picked a stunt where if he fucked up he would have only hurt himself then - bring it on (and the ambos of course)

[Mom]

OMG! Carver rode over that bridge!

It was an impressive thing to see :clap:

Very fucken stupid too :yes:

I saw it on you tube :eek5:.

I can't see it anymore :weep:

He did not get permission from the powers that be :spanking:

I dont condone that at all :oi-grr:

He is facing the court, and whatever punishment is heading his way :woohoo:

Funny as fuck to read this thread of um, how many pages?

Carver, I take my hat off to you mate!

[Oscar]

Why aren't you drinking already?

Y'see, I think you peoples read me the wrtong way.
I am not supporting Carvr for breakin that law. I Just am supprise the judge was SHOcked.
I am also a disliking the bang-a-man when it he is down brigade.
He clearly has SOME skill and balls ot do hte stunt. Fark I wounl'dnt do that.
Fucking stupid that is.
Fucking big balls.
FARRKing Judicial nana

I've got no real problem with him doing the stunt.
It was when he started slagging Plod for feeling his collar that got me.
Then we get the rationalisation brigade...

He did it.
He bragged about it on the net.
He should man up and take what's coming.

[Usarka]

Maybe , just maybe , Plod , the fire service the ambo's & the courts are sick & tired of picking up the pieces after someone does dumb shit that goes wrong.

Maybe they should stop whinging about having a job.

[LBD]

He should man up and take what's coming.

Thats the whole point...he shouldn't have anything coming

We all take risks....calculated risks, for what ever reasons...excitement, fun, really wild things...usually we get away with out consequences....sometimes we dont.

Jump off a bridge into a swimming hole, climb a mountain, parachute, ride horses, go hunting, hangliding...all calculated risks all with the potential to harm ourselves and harm others or incovenience others....riding over the bridge arches was a calculated risk and should be viewed in the same manner as any other adventure passtime. Or we run the risk of making adventure pastimes criminal activities

[Quasievil]

Thats the whole point...he shouldn't have anything coming

We all take risks....calculated risks, for what ever reasons...excitement, fun, really wild things...usually we get away with out consequences....sometimes we dont.

Jump off a bridge into a swimming hole, climb a mountain, parachute, ride horses, go hunting, hangliding...all calculated risks all with the potential to harm ourselves and harm others or incovenience others....riding over the bridge arches was a calculated risk and should be viewed in the same manner as any other adventure passtime. Or we run the risk of making adventure pastimes criminal activities

Dude your just wrong sorry, I got no other way to put it

[gammaguy]

i say good for him!

build a bridge-get over it:whistle:

[Oscar]

Thats the whole point...he shouldn't have anything coming

We all take risks....calculated risks, for what ever reasons...excitement, fun, really wild things...usually we get away with out consequences....sometimes we dont.

Jump off a bridge into a swimming hole, climb a mountain, parachute, ride horses, go hunting, hangliding...all calculated risks all with the potential to harm ourselves and harm others or incovenience others....riding over the bridge arches was a calculated risk and should be viewed in the same manner as any other adventure passtime. Or we run the risk of making adventure pastimes criminal activities

1. Yep. I did some dumb shit when I was younger. Sometimes I got caught. When I did, I paid the fine and got on with it.

2. This guy did dumb shit and bragged about it, published it for all to see. If the authorities don't do anything about it, what does that say to the even dumber bastids that come next?

[pritch]

No one was hurt, 15 pages of wasted text

And climbing :whistle:

[Owl]

I guess we all have differing opinions and I've never really got a kick out of Carver's videos, but I must admit, I was silently cheering him on when I saw the bridge stunt. Surely there's got to be a little respect for those who take risks and push limits, even if they are sometimes illegal or "naughty"?

Years ago, I photographed a group of base-jumpers, illegally jumping from a Rangitikei viaduct. Pioneers of a sort, paving the way for far better and greater things to come. They made mistakes, one causing a near fatality the following week, but mistakes are a part of learning.

Here's a pic taken on that day. Interestingly, this "naughty" dude is now a highly respected police officer.:whistle:

[avgas]

He did it.
He bragged about it on the net.
He should man up and take what's coming.
I completely agree - except for this circumstance.
If it was a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, fine, even a loss of licence. That is reasonable.
But said Judge is quoted for being "Shocked" - this is no longer the law, this is personal perspective. She sounds like she wants to not only throw the book at him, but follow this with the phone book, an atlas and G-K of encyclopedia britannica. That is not only not fair - it is wrong, and a judge should know better.
Imagine what said Judge would do to ANY other biker who is placed in front of her - she is obviously biased. Bikers stole her baby or something.

[mister.koz]

I guess we all have differing opinions and I've never really got a kick out of Carver's videos, but I must admit, I was silently cheering him on when I saw the bridge stunt. Surely there's got to be a little respect for those who take risks and push limits, even if they are sometimes illegal or "naughty"?

Years ago, I photographed a group of base-jumpers, illegally jumping from a Rangitikei viaduct. Pioneers of a sort, paving the way for far better and greater things to come. They made mistakes, one causing a near fatality the following week, but mistakes are a part of learning.

Here's a pic taken on that day. Interestingly, this "naughty" dude is now a highly respected police officer.:whistle:

Shit, i bet he clanks when he walks.... Thats impressive!

[trustme]

I completely agree - except for this circumstance.
If it was a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, fine, even a loss of licence. That is reasonable.
But said Judge is quoted for being "Shocked" - this is no longer the law, this is personal perspective. She sounds like she wants to not only throw the book at him, but follow this with the phone book, an atlas and G-K of encyclopedia britannica. That is not only not fair - it is wrong, and a judge should know better.
Imagine what said Judge would do to ANY other biker who is placed in front of her - she is obviously biased. Bikers stole her baby or something.

Society has had a guts full of the boy racer types causing mayhem on our streets , killing & maiming themselves & other innocent bystanders with their exhibitions of bravado. I suspect that the beak ,not without good cause considers Carver to be little different, Carver stuck his jaw out said ' here give me your best shot ' The beak appears to be only too happy to oblige & intends to make an example of him . What is so jaw droppingly earth shattering about that.

[trustme]

Maybe they should stop whinging about having a job.

Would you want the job of fronting up to Carvers mum to tell her the he went off the side & they are searching the river for him
Would you want to be the ambo scraping him up off the footpath, or the fireman hosing away the blood.

It didn't happen , but all to often it does. Not jobs I would wish on my worst enemy.

[avgas]

What is so jaw droppingly earth shattering about that.
In the great words of the great KB public
"Who's next?"
I don't mind the law, but Judges are suppose to be the pinnicale of unbiased law. Their personal opinion does not count.
Even regardless of what the public think, they are not politicians, they are not marketers, their only responsibility to the public is to determine how guilty, and how much of the law they can apply.
He is not a person who rapes babys, strangles dogs or eats jews. He rode a motorbike is a situation where he could have died, but posed not harm to anyone else.
She is out to get him because of this? Not just deliver the law but 'get him'. Due to how 'shocked' she is.
Who's next?
Perhaps I am biased as I have delt with a similar judge in the past. I was hit by a car, my only fault was that I did not expect for him to hit me. I came out of hospital - to have the police (who were on my side) tell me that the driver who was charged with dangerous driving causing harm. However the judge said due to me being a motorcyclist - she was halving the fine, and halving the loss of license time. The cops were dumbstruck.

Mabey I should change my perspective about this - motorcylist are in the same basket as boy racers. If we get to court we should accept what ever the judge thinks we deserve. Who knows - mabey this will filter the true bikers from the chess club.

[avgas]

Would you want the job of fronting up to Carvers mum to tell her the he went off the side & they are searching the river for him
Would you want to be the ambo scraping him up off the footpath, or the fireman hosing away the blood.
It didn't happen , but all to often it does. Not jobs I would wish on my worst enemy.
Very true - and I have full respect for all including the cops.
But to sign up to this area of work and expect to never do this would be a bit naive don't you think.
I mean especially in the country where we have an unemployment benefit - you have to opt to be an ambu, firefighter or cop......so my hats off to them, as they have volunteered to try and save life, or declare death.

[trustme]

Very true - and I have full respect for all including the cops.
But to sign up to this area of work and expect to never do this would be a bit naive don't you think.
I mean especially in the country where we have an unemployment benefit - you have to opt to be an ambu, firefighter or cop......so my hats off to them, as they have volunteered to try and save life, or declare death.

Sure to a certain extent you are right it goes with the territory, does not make it right or acceptable though.
I can understand youe anger towards the judge in your case. I think there is a slight overreaction to this judge, although she clearly has young Carver in her sights, as she probably also would with someone clocked at high speed on the Coro Loop, or someone doing burn outs or wheelies or other dumb shit in a vehicle in a public place

[Oscar]

I completely agree - except for this circumstance.
If it was a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, fine, even a loss of licence. That is reasonable.
But said Judge is quoted for being "Shocked" - this is no longer the law, this is personal perspective. She sounds like she wants to not only throw the book at him, but follow this with the phone book, an atlas and G-K of encyclopedia britannica. That is not only not fair - it is wrong, and a judge should know better.
Imagine what said Judge would do to ANY other biker who is placed in front of her - she is obviously biased. Bikers stole her baby or something.

Oh yeah, I agree entirely.
The fact the the ole fuddy duddy is shocked is neither here nor there - justice would be a smack on the pee-pee (slightly eye watering fine, say) to deter the other idjuts.

[LBD]

Dude your just wrong sorry, I got no other way to put it

You can't get away with making a comment like that without substantiating it....come on, explain why you think I am wrong....

[fozz rock]

he did it and didnt get hurt..........ok

he did it and gets hurt.........ok as ACC will look after him

ACC levies going up...........ok now more people can try it

its a win win right?????????????????????

[trustme]

It's a funny old world. We elect a government who says ' we are going to get tough on the law breaker' When the judiciary starts to reflect the very thing we have advocated we all go cry baby

There some pretty selective moralising going on, from both sides.

When does this shit fight finish in court so we can launch into the next 18 pages ???"

[LBD]

It's a funny old world. We elect a government who says ' we are going to get tough on the law breaker' When the judiciary starts to reflect the very thing we have advocated we all go cry baby

There some pretty selective moralising going on, from both sides.

When does this shit fight finish in court so we can launch into the next 18 pages ???"

Riding over a Bridge Arch as a challenge..."because it was there" ....is hardly a home invasion / bank robbery/ rape/ or violent crime, that requires getting tough on....

[trustme]

Riding over a Bridge Arch as a challenge..."because it was there" ....is hardly a home invasion / bank robbery/ rape/ or violent crime, that requires getting tough on....

So where & when do we get tough ???
As a society we gear everything to the lowest common denominator , we remove any discretion on the part of plod & the courts , hence !!!!!

We reap what we sew.

[LBD]

So where & when do we get tough ???
As a society we gear everything to the lowest common denominator , we remove any discretion on the part of plod & the courts , hence !!!!!.

That is the million dollar question without any doubt…and the line between acceptable and unacceptable behavior will always be a fuzzy and contentious one as I think this thread is a testament to.

A guide line I like to use is “intent and impact”
Example 1; Where a person commits an act with the intention of causing disadvantage, physical harm, theft etc, to another by breaking laws then they are guilty whether they were successful in their attempt or not. I doubt any one could argue that.
Example 2; Where a person knowingly and intentionally breaks laws that have the potential to cause harm, ie drink driver, speeding etc, then they are guilty. (Some argue that riding over bridge arches fall into this category)
Example 3;Where a person causes harm or disadvantage (Impact) to another by an accidental act (not intentional) then there is liability and dependent on severity, a possible case for negligence.

Where a person rides over a bridge arch for the challenge, adventure and bragging rights, and …
1) Does not intend to cause disadvantage to others
2) Does not risk his or others well being any more than normal adventurous activities.
3) Has not caused harm or adversely affected others.
…then in my books there is nothing to answer to.

A question … NZ, the great place that it is in so many ways, is officially the world’s least corrupt country, that is quite some achievement. But ask your self why this is and is it really a good thing?
I would suggest that NZ has become so stifled with petty mindedness, the making and enforcing of laws to suit the lowest common factor, that we are fast losing any individual freedom to enjoy life and liberty.

[Quasievil]

I had a wicked Spagetti tonight at Metropolis, awesome recommend it

[carver]

So do i deserve to lose my license for it?

and what do they gain by doing so?

[dipshit]

what do they gain by doing so?

First page... "However, the court had to emphasise the danger and enforce a penalty that would deter anyone else from "pranks of this nature".

[MaxB]

So do i deserve to lose my license for it?

and what do they gain by doing so?

Just my opinion. I saw your vid and thought if you had done that on a Sunday at dawn with just your buddies around you might have gotten away with it.

To answer the questions, you might deserve points and a decent fine IMHO but I'm not a judge. If the law comes down on you hard it would be to make an example to other riders not to try similar shit.

By all accounts you have got yourself a good lawyer so good luck with the case.

[oldrider]

So do i deserve to lose my license for it?

and what do they gain by doing so?

Thousands of perfectly well behaved kids are going to be prevented from even going for their licenses because of petty incompetence!

Instead of dealing to the "offenders" they punish "everybody" because that's the way they were treated by their state school teachers!

Even the innocents who have yet to be even given the chance to be tested are punished by raising the driving age beyond their reach!

What did they do wrong?

Driving has nothing to do with age!

Driving is about competence, confidence, attitude, behaviour and consequence!

Either they can or they can't and they should be judged according to whether they do or do not!

To judge an individual by their age alone is criminal act in it's self, IMHO!

Raising the driving age to punish people who did not conform is ridiculous, because the "offenders will still be driving"!

The only ones being punished are those would be new drivers who are now going to be punished instead!

Please teacher don't punish my little darling, just punish the child next to him, that will be enough to keep him in order!

What a crock of incompetent shit, no wonder our young people appear to be getting confused!

Carver's case is the same, he didn't harm or inconvenience anybody and he didn't damage any property, he simply aroused people who don't have the skill, the balls or the inclination to do what he did!

If they don't want anyone else to do it, simply fence it off and post a sign!

That will do it and it will also give the police something "substantial" to act on, next time!

Punish the offenders, NOT the innocent! :brick:

[Big Dave]

>>and the line between acceptable and unacceptable behavior will always be a fuzzy and contentious one,<

I have Zero difficulty identifying the line, where it runs or keeping on the trouble free side of it.

(or when I do cross it - due diligence making sure I don't get caught!)

[Big Dave]

So do i deserve to lose my license for it?

No. It wasn't a traffic offence - It was a crime against Darwin.

and what do they gain by doing so?

Disincentive to others. So bend over and spread 'em.

[Big Dave]

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[LBD]

>>and the line between acceptable and unacceptable behavior will always be a fuzzy and contentious one,<

I have Zero difficulty identifying the line, where it runs or keeping on the trouble free side of it.

(or when I do cross it - due diligence making sure I don't get caught!)

I have no problem identifying my line either, but invairable your line and my line will not perfectly superimpose on one another. Then add the lines of everyone on this thread/website/country and the lines will become very fuzzy and contentious ....

[Big Dave]

Then add the lines of everyone on this thread/website/country and the lines will become very fuzzy and contentious ....

Pretty sure that will be the mind set of Carver's Judge.

[carver]

First page... "However, the court had to emphasise the danger and enforce a penalty that would deter anyone else from "pranks of this nature".




If they don't want anyone else to do it, simply fence it off and post a sign!

That will do it and it will also give the police something "substantial" to act on, next time!

Punish the offenders, NOT the innocent! :brick:

Old rider, my thoughts exactly...that is a deterrant

[pritch]

Carver

I've followed this thread, not so much with interest, as some dread fascination.

I'm going to take the charitable view. The skills and attributes that enabled you to conceive of, and successfully perform, this stunt are to be admired and, appropriately channelled, could lead to success in some more socially acceptable pursuit.

You need a good lawyer, and a different judge, and I wish you luck with that.

Should you manage to survive your current lust for thrills and self publicity you will one day doubtless look back on all this and laugh. Regardless of whatever happens in court, after all they don't hang people any more.

If at all contemplative in nature you may even be moved to say the words so many of us have uttered when contemplating the deeds of our youth,
“Fuck I was an idiot!”

[Oscar]

If they don't want anyone else to do it, simply fence it off and post a sign!

That will do it and it will also give the police something "substantial" to act on, next time!

Punish the offenders, NOT the innocent! :brick:

The is the dumbest thing in an already dumb thread.
"I did it 'cause there was no sign to stop me"



Whay happened to personal responsibility and a moral code?

[merv]

The is the dumbest thing in an already dumb thread.
"I did it 'cause there was no sign to stop me"



Whay happened to personal responsibility and a moral code?

Isn't that exactly how most riders take things as they find them - no sign means its OK - now don't tell me Oscar that you haven't done that at least once in your life as an off road rider in particular?

Now where was that question I asked many posts back?

[Oscar]

Isn't that exactly how most riders take things as they find them - no sign means its OK - now don't tell me Oscar that you haven't done that at least once in your life as an off road rider in particular?

Now where was that question I asked many posts back?

We're talking about personal responsibility and standards of behaviour.
If I did stuff like that, i was the only person in danger and I accepted any responsibility for the consequences.

This is straight out of the Moronic Yoof handbook - "I can be a wanker 'cause it's someone's job to stop me."

[avgas]

We're talking about personal responsibility and standards of behaviour.
They died a very long time ago man. That is why we have to have a speed limit, and laws for that matter.
While I agree with your view - we are both dreamers if we believe that it will ever come the fruition.
Responsibility and Behaviour are almost a matter of personal perspective these days. You will see countless threads here about speed, waving, cornering, counter steering.....hell there are threads here about if a 1000cc are too much engine.

Carver - sorry man, but while I think your stunt is awesome, and I hope you go far. I do also hope that you just take this one for the team. Have some cool of time off the road and come back twice as strong. Don't let being a part of MFSC cloud the fact that you are a skilled rider. I think you may go far on your own 2 feet.

[kevfromcoro]

holdem horsey.
everone is condeming carver for what he done.
yes we have new regulations now... and mayebe he thought a bit more.
but think back.....
would you have done it in your mid 20s
i would...
whats the next stunt John boy???
ride that cr up and down the driveway,,
lol

KEV

[oldrider]

The is the dumbest thing in an already dumb thread.
"I did it 'cause there was no sign to stop me"



Whay happened to personal responsibility and a moral code?

Read it again, he did exercise personal responsibility "according to his own moral code". IMHO.

Carver didn't bother anybody else!

He did it because he believed he had the skills to do it and he proved that he did!

There was no other obvious reason why he shouldn't do it!

I bet you do this all the time on your trail bike! (probably to a lessor degree though)

If it is such a big deal to the authorities, I said that they should fence it and post a sign!

Everything else you have said agrees with my opinion!

Carver had the balls "and" the skill to back himself, that's all the "authority" he needed!

The situation has changed now that the "authorities" have been "alerted" to the fact that it can and "will" be done, they don't want anybody else to try it!

Carver has set the standard, he did not commit a crime or even break an existing rule, he simply crossed the bridge in an unorthodox manner.

This is the crux of what I said!

If they "don't want others to try it", they should make a new rule, post a sign and or fence it off to prevent access.

Meanwhile Carver has done nothing wrong except take a risk (which he was obviously up for) and upset a lot of fuddy duddies who didn't think it was something that anybody should, or would do!

There is no existing legal or valid reason to punish Carver!

[SixPackBack]

Read it again, he did exercise personal responsibility "according to his own moral code". IMHO.

Carver didn't bother anybody else!

He did it because he believed he had the skills to do it and he proved that he did!

There was no other obvious reason why he shouldn't do it!

I bet you do this all the time on your trail bike! (probably to a lessor degree though)

If it is such a big deal to the authorities, I said that they should fence it and post a sign!

Everything else you have said agrees with my opinion!

Carver had the balls "and" the skill to back himself, that's all the "authority" he needed!

The situation has changed now that the "authorities" have been "alerted" to the fact that it can and "will" be done, they don't want anybody else to try it!

Carver has set the standard, he did not commit a crime or even break an existing rule, he simply crossed the bridge in an unorthodox manner.

This is the crux of what I said!

If they "don't want others to try it", they should make a new rule, post a sign and or fence it off to prevent access.

Meanwhile Carver has done nothing wrong except take a risk (which he was obviously up for) and upset a lot of fuddy duddies who didn't think it was something that anybody should, or would do!

There is no existing legal or valid reason to punish Carver!

Plenty of fuddie duddies in this thread. Non of them have ever taken a risk on road or track, all of them have a flea up their collective arses about Carver!

[Ixion]

I reckon, that shit will come up and bite you in the arse later in life.

Its been mentioned to me that Im trying to get this thread put in PD, sheesh I thought the current topic of breakfast was far more interesting than Carvers exploits

We have noticed that habititual behaviour of yours, yes. Having spouted your opinion you invariably attempt to have the discussion closed down. For someone so uninterested in Mr Carvers "exploits" you have spoken a lot about them. But , clearly, are very unwilling that anyone who disagrees with you should be able to speak in turn.

[Quasievil]

But , clearly, are very unwilling that anyone who disagrees with you should be able to speak in turn.

LOL "we" who is that the divine communtiy above everyone else?

There is 22 pages of people speaking in turn expressing their opinions as I did and have under the same rights and authorities as anyone else, rather I say to you that you perhaps dont like it if someone holds an opinion seperate to yours.

And besides if someone doesnt agree with me, then they are of course naturally wrong lol

[oldrider]

Plenty of fuddie duddies in this thread. Non of them have ever taken a risk on road or track, all of them have a flea up their collective arses about Carver!
True!

Funny isn't it, so many want to put Carver down!

Is it because (secretly) they feel threatened by him? :shifty:

Obviously deep down, they must accept him as the better man! :yes:

Way to go Carver. :headbang:

[Ixion]

LOL "we" who is that the divine communtiy above everyone else?

There is 22 pages of people speaking in turn expressing their opinions as I did and have under the same rights and authorities as anyone else, rather I say to you that you perhaps dont like it if someone holds an opinion seperate to yours.

And besides if someone doesnt agree with me, then they are of course naturally wrong lol

They, however, are not manoeuvering the thread into PD.

[Quasievil]

They, however, are not manoeuvering the thread into PD.


Actually that wasnt the intention, rather I was thinking that the thread was getting the same comments over n over.

[Jinxycat]

I forgot he wasn't hugged enough as a child. My bad.

im sure he will blame it on tv............nitro circus..........jack ass......etc.............maybe put up acc levy to deter............oh fuck they read my mind.....no.....its happening again.............oh the voices in my head

[kevfromcoro]

Dam QLD
No daylight saving.
gets dark earlly
when the carver was here.. i went on the back of his bike
we went to a place called Canungra
bikes everwhere.
nothing much there. but a pie shop
but its a meeting place for bikers
was a good ride
and not a bridge in sight
thank f.....k

got a mouthfull of toast.................

[Oscar]

True!

Funny isn't it, so many want to put Carver down!

Is it because (secretly) they feel threatened by him? :shifty:

Obviously deep down, they must accept him as the better man! :yes:

Way to go Carver. :headbang:

Tell you what - if you think he's so great, import him into your neighbourhood.
See how you feel when him and his mates are on your streets.

[Kickaha]

God where is the sense of humor gone sheeesh

Probably the same place as personal responsibility

[trustme]

Probably the same place as personal responsibility
Should be easy to find , look for a fence & a sign.

[Kickaha]

Should be easy to find , look for a fence & a sign.

Google maps maybe?

[SixPackBack]

Tell you what - if you think he's so great, import him into your neighbourhood.
See how you feel when him and his mates are on your streets.

Emotive twaddle.

On Carvers northern scooter jaunt he was invited and stayed with us for a night. Not only were his road manners impeccable [when I rode with him], but he proved to be a gentleman and welcome house guest.

You're running your mouth off and not cognisant of who you are dealing with.

[laserracer]

Hey i heard the judge had viewed some of his other stuff ..the bonnet surfing past the mormon temple ...also heard the judge was a morman...so when you drop the soap in the shower dont bend over to pick it up

[Oscar]

Emotive twaddle.

On Carvers northern scooter jaunt he was invited and stayed with us for a night. Not only were his road manners impeccable [when I rode with him], but he proved to be a gentleman and welcome house guest.

You're running your mouth off and not cognisant of who you are dealing with.

I would have thought that any one who uses the words "emotive twaddle" is more likely to be suffering from being emotionally overwrought (and lacking the cogent means to argue the point).

Firstly, I know exactly who I'm dealing with.

Secondly, I could care less what he does, and have already stated several times for the record that I thought what he did was pretty cool. He may or may not be highly skilled (and note his claims to trials competency are yet to backed up by any documentary evidence), however it's not him that is the problem - it's the next guy, and the one after that.

[Big Dave]

It's not emotive - just the opposite - it's about due process, the system and adhering to it where there is potential risk to other individuals. That's the only issue for me.
Oscar and me hang out with a professional Stunt Man. We've seen and heard the OSH and ACC rigmarole involved in being mad, correctly.
If Carver had followed that Due Process I would have run it on the front page. He didn't - I couldn't - I hope he gets it right next time and I will.

[Maha]

Carver would loving the attention his name is getting in this thread, there is only one other ''ex'' memeber who is above him in the attention stakes.

Thanks for the mental imagery yesterday Jon-Boy, didnt stop me from sleeping last night.

[Quasievil]

Emotive twaddle.

On Carvers northern scooter jaunt he was invited and stayed with us for a night. Not only were his road manners impeccable [when I rode with him], but he proved to be a gentleman and welcome house guest.

You're running your mouth off and not cognisant of who you are dealing with.

Oh !!! youre so qualified then SPB, I have also had the gentlemen Carver in my home on quite a few occasions, which to be honest makes the crap he has put my way even more so surprising.
Guess you dont know him as well as you think

[LBD]

It's not emotive - just the opposite - it's about due process, the system and adhering to it where there is potential risk to other individuals. That's the only issue for me.
Oscar and me hang out with a professional Stunt Man. We've seen and heard the OSH and ACC rigmarole involved in being mad, correctly.
If Carver had followed that Due Process I would have run it on the front page.

But....A profesional stuntman is working as such and earning a living from it and complience in the work place is required. The OSH and ACC and dept of labour rigmarole in the employment stakes do not apply to non-commercial activities to anywhere near the same degree. Your friend is already frustrated with OSH and ACC in the workplace....do we really want to apply those same rules and constraints to our leisure activities, I think not.

[Big Dave]

What leisure activity? - it was staged for broadcast - showbusiness baby.
The only time I can recall him being frustrated by said rigmarole was when it didn't work. He was in a brace for weeks after the chocolate wheel crash.
The rest of it I think they regard as necessary precautions so they can continue to do stunt work - alive.

My point is that (if it were even possible?) to do it 'by the book' - ie Actor's equity, guarantee no-one else is going get fallen on - he's on the front page - Freelance it and you're on the Courts page.

Way it is.

[Smifffy]

I know half a dozen people that could lay claim to having had sufficient skill & training to be able to drive from Auckland to Wellington, after finishing off a dozen Tuis after work.

They probably also feel that they pose no danger to themselves or anyone else.


Yeah Right.

[SixPackBack]

It's not emotive - just the opposite - it's about due process, the system and adhering to it where there is potential risk to other individuals. That's the only issue for me.
Oscar and me hang out with a professional Stunt Man. We've seen and heard the OSH and ACC rigmarole involved in being mad, correctly.
If Carver had followed that Due Process I would have run it on the front page. He didn't - I couldn't - I hope he gets it right next time and I will.

I disagree. The judge in this case has performed any thing but due process, preferring instead to grand stand, offer personal opinion and unduly influence due process.

As far as OSH and ACC 'rigmarole' is concerned; both industries do everything they can to not only justify their own existence, but to create as much 'rigmarole' and red tape as possible.

Carver talked about risk mitigation; a good deal of time was put into training and careful assessment of the potential risks involved. Getting a piece of paper from the judge/council/ACC or some OSH representative would not have changed the risk factor.

On a side note: Anybody screaming to have Paeroa racing stopped?.......a sanctioned event complete with risk mitigation, sanctioned by the paper shufflers and someone still dies!

[SixPackBack]

Oh !!! youre so qualified then SPB, I have also had the gentlemen Carver in my home on quite a few occasions, which to be honest makes the crap he has put my way even more so surprising.
Guess you dont know him as well as you think

Au contraire. That further concretes my opinion of him. The cheesecutter ride tainted your mind-set of him forever, seriously-your opinion counts for nothing.

[Big Dave]

>>only justify their own existence, but to create as much 'rigmarole' and red tape as possible.<<

Do you really believe that?

>>Getting a piece of paper from the judge/council/ACC or some OSH representative would not have changed the risk factor.<<

Do you really believe that?

[Quasievil]

seriously-your opinion counts for nothing.

Oh boy that put me in my place...........not

Dude the cheesecutter lol, thats only a piece of it, and what a wanker he proved to be there as well.

(for those that dont know) we made a large protest about the tragic accident on the Auckalnd motorway in which a young rider was killed, it had a reasonably large Police presence as well as TV and other Medias present, the ride went well apart from ""said Moron" who decided it would be good to do wheelies and stoppies in full view of the media and police.....

Im assuming though that because he was "gentlemanly" at your house then this is acceptable?

Or is your self proclaimed righteousness only apply to the "Putting public safety at risk" bridge situation, cause after all "we where all young once and no one was hurt" which is clearly the fashionable opinion of his his gay lovers and stupid people.

lol

Re Paeroa, well who knows.............who put the forklift there? probably someone young, oh well ..........live and learn eh, the person responsible is probably a gentlemen, we should forget about it eh?

[carver]

holdem horsey.
everone is condeming carver for what he done.
yes we have new regulations now... and mayebe he thought a bit more.
but think back.....
would you have done it in your mid 20s
i would...
whats the next stunt John boy???
ride that cr up and down the driveway,,
lol

KEV

I should have had a go on the CR!

Oh boy that put me in my place...........not

Dude the cheesecutter lol, thats only a piece of it, and what a wanker he proved to be there as well.

(for those that dont know) we made a large protest about the tragic accident on the Auckalnd motorway in which a young rider was killed, it had a reasonably large Police presence as well as TV and other Medias present, the ride went well apart from ""said Moron" who decided it would be good to do wheelies and stoppies in full view of the media and police.....

Im assuming though that because he was "gentlemanly" at your house then this is acceptable?

Or is your self proclaimed righteousness only apply to the "Putting public safety at risk" bridge situation, cause after all "we where all young once and no one was hurt" which is clearly the fashionable opinion of his his gay lovers and stupid people.

lol



for gods sake, it never made news, and now what are you doing about the said cc issue?
Nothing, that soap box is gone for you?

You and the old crowd off here used to blitz the coro, and i know that you have put others lives in danger by the way you rode.

before you slag me off, take a look at yourself.

You are trying to paint me into a corner here brett, but those who know me seem to object, and i wonder why?
Funny how you are always so nice to me in real life, never a bad word said, but on here.... you seek to crucify me.

I would like you to have a go, ask for permission and all that.

You can use my Gas Gas if you want

NZ's most notorious stunt crew.

owning you!

[kevfromcoro]

[QUOTE=carver;1129659195]I should have had a go on the CR!

were you here when i arsed off it ??
went about 3 mtrs. and hooked my leg on a tree branch
took a bit of skin off..
corse i had no gear on.....
live and learn...









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[Quasievil]

Funny how you are always so nice to me in real life, never a bad word said, but on here.... you seek to crucify me.


Nope, you crucify yourself, I had nothing to do with "look at me look at me my name is Jonothan bennett and I rode the bridge arches"

All you fella

Im just the guy laughing at the latest wank thats going to take you down a peg.

[Big Dave]

I'd like to him not to get in the same situation again.

[Quasievil]

So would I, and I would like him to pull his head in on the road, talented rider that he is......ive known better that are now dead

[Maha]

Ok, time to build a bridge and ride over it!