Judge shocked at biker's bridge stunt - The Mormon's Bridge Video

[carver]

Ok, time to build a bridge and ride over it!

anyone brave enough to give me a quote on the proper cost

Traffic management-1/2 day hire 2x trucks

Traffic management plan

Resource consent?

Advertisement of a bridge closeure through mainstream media outlets for 3~ weeks in advance.

Approval from the local road authority (HCC)

[carver]

Ok, time to build a bridge and ride over it!

If you are so concerned about it, sponsor me quasi

[Quasievil]

If you are so concerned about it, sponsor me quasi

possible, I would need a proposition done of course

[carver]

possible, I would need a proposition done of course

Ya think so?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/119166-Some-pics-from-today?p=1129658136#post1129658136

seen these? while we are on the subject...

[Usarka]

Do a ramped base jump off the auckland harbour bridge bro.

[PeeJay]

What a bunch of whining crybabies

No wonder the country is going down the gurgler

Too many softcocks, too scared to do anything without asking their mothers first

what about this what about that what if what if what if and the most heinous crimes of all he didnt have resource consent or a letter from osh or bits of paper from the council,
Does anyone actually get out of bed considering all the what ifs that could happen if they do.

My Aussie mate is pissing himself, says its no wonder we are a bunch of no hopers

So called "bikers" proponents of freedom, individuality, self reliance, its all a big show

I wouldnt know carver from a piece of cheese but good on him, he has more balls than the rest of you put together
Just my tuppence worth

[Quasievil]

Ya think so?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/119166-Some-pics-from-today?p=1129658136#post1129658136

seen these? while we are on the subject...

Good pics for sure, how come you took them tho?

[Smifffy]

I wouldnt know carver from a piece of cheese but good on him, he has more balls than the rest of you put together
Just my tuppence worth

And anyone with balls takes the kick up the arse that goes with getting caught doin' something that you know can earn you a kick up the arse, without whingeing.

[Big Dave]

What a bunch of whining crybabies
Just my tuppence worth

I think you over-valued it. :-P

He's ended up in court - that is something I would like to see not happen again.

[Big Dave]

anyone brave enough to give me a quote on the proper cost

Traffic management-1/2 day hire 2x trucks

Traffic management plan

Resource consent?

Advertisement of a bridge closeure through mainstream media outlets for 3~ weeks in advance.

Approval from the local road authority (HCC)

You might be required to join actor's equity too. Dunno. You would in Aus.

Then you go to Gas Gas eg and say - I'm planning on .... event - can you help defray costs. Write up a proposal and take if from there.

I'd suggest it needs pyrotechnics as well.

This may not be PJ's Nanny free Utopia, nor frankly is Aus - it's just as good at protecting us from ourselves, but it's 2010 and you get with the programme if you want to go public - or grab yer ankles - big brother IS watching.

[PeeJay]

I think you over-valued it. :-P

He's ended up in court - that is something I would like to see not happen again.

Ha, wouldnt be the first time !!
But seriously I think as a society we are losing our drive, our spirit, same in Aussie and the US. We are becoming a subjugated society and its only going to get worse.
It looks like to me Carver has become a focal point for a lot of people's pissed off feelings that they have been bottling up. ACC, taxes, local councils, cant do this, cant do that, all things they feel helpless about, and along comes carver. They can now yell and scream at him without getting into trouble.
He did something a lot of people would like to do but just cant bring themselves to do.
Not the riding over a bridge but he didnt follow the "rules" and wasnt afraid to let the powers that be know.
We all break the rules, but we keep it to ourselves because we are afraid of the consequences of "breaking the rules" even if the rule makes no sense.
We have become subjugated and afraid of our own shadows (it might be a policeman with a speed camera)

[Big Dave]

>>Ha, wouldnt be the first time !!<<

I'm a professional! :-)

[Big Dave]

>>We have become subjugated and afraid of our own shadows<<

Well, I'm not, but I do moderate my behavior when I know there is likely to be a camera pointed at me. You just have to be smarter than the technology - or its range at least - and bask in it while we still can I guess.

A mum who drives her mini van full of screamin' brats across that bridge every day might also say that it's good that the mechanisms are in place to deter this sort of behaviour.

[Oscar]

>>We have become subjugated and afraid of our own shadows<<

Well, I'm not, but I do moderate my behavior when I know there is likely to be a camera pointed at me. You just have to be smarter than the technology - or its range at least - and bask in it while we still can I guess.

A mum who drives her mini van full of screamin' brats across that bridge every day might also say that it's good that the mechanisms are in place to deter this sort of behaviour.

Exactly - our stupidity generally takes place a long way from any civilians.

And, yes my reaction to this stunt is partially based on the fact that my wife and son use that bridge twice daily during the week.

[Big Dave]

What I should have said is 'Big Brother is watching...You Tube.'

[carver]

Good pics for sure, how come you took them tho?

doing part of the loop after the races, and for the first time had the time to stop and take a few, and it seemed fitting

[oldrider]

Exactly - our stupidity generally takes place a long way from any civilians

A rose by any other name is but a rose! Stupidity is still stupidity regardless of where it is performed!

[Big Dave]

regardless of where it is performed!

The difference is the potential to include non-participants in the hijinks.

[SixPackBack]

The difference is the potential to include non-participants in the hijinks.

.....And thats different from the Coro moto GP how?.......From memory the last death on the Coro involved a car.

[Big Dave]

As far as me and Oscar are concerned, we're talking dirt bikes in a paddock on private property and on organised rides to start with. Capital Coast, Kaipara 200 etc.
Your Coro analogy is flawed.
We have a licence and have passed a competency test before being allowed to do it.
There is also some tacit agreement that you will comply with the rules before they hand over the document.
The procedure to similarly comply for stuntage in a public place has been outlined.

This may not be the way it should be under the SPB justice system (which with a few disclaimers - I might subscribe to), but it is the way it is - and you might as well rail against the moon.

And don't put your name on it on you tube either!

[avgas]

As far as me and Oscar are concerned......
The procedure to similarly comply for stuntage in a public place has been outlined.
Hand yourself in then.
I have seen footage of you on a certain XB12S and a certain Speed Triple.

[Oscar]

A rose by any other name is but a rose! Stupidity is still stupidity regardless of where it is performed!

I see all yours is performed on the internet.

[Ixion]

Hand yourself in then.
I have seen footage of you on a certain XB12S and a certain Speed Triple.

One could also mention wheelies on a VFR1200. It's all stunting.

[Big Dave]

Hand yourself in then.
I have seen footage of you on a certain XB12S and a certain Speed Triple.

Nah - wasn't me riding either of 'em. You seen me on a speed triple? You need a shoe horn to get it out of my butt.

[Big Dave]

One could also mention wheelies on a VFR1200. It's all stunting.

But it's not on You Tube. You are missing the point.
Which is how to make entertainment and not get in the shit.

[avgas]

One could also mention wheelies on a VFR1200. It's all stunting.
No no no Ix, those are all closed roads - I mean they chuck $$$$'s at those road tests.
Bah I can't even be bothered doing good sarcasm today.......I need a beer

[avgas]

But it's not on You Tube. You are missing the point.
Which is how to make entertainment and not get in the shit.
Selling something doesn't prevent certain things you know. Unfortunately Carver is not a fortune as yourself to have a customer yet.
(However he would have a lot of the dribble removed from his vids to make them worth a price).

[Big Dave]

Bah I can't even be bothered doing good sarcasm today.......I need a beer

You're not good at it anyway. Heinekin?

[Ixion]

But it's not on You Tube. You are missing the point.
Which is how to make entertainment and not get in the shit.

Now I bes confused. Well, more confuzzled than usual. Are you saying that stunts are dangerous if they'r eon YouTube, but safe if they're not?

[Big Dave]

The key sentence, several pages ago, is 'if you want to go public'.

I'd actually like to see him become successful, I like their cinematography, and the stupid shit - makes me grin. Even if they are of the Jackass generation.

I'm trying to identify and make suggestions so he doesn't continue to get worked over by the system.

I'd also like to see them moderate some of the behavior as well.

[SixPackBack]

But it's not on You Tube. You are missing the point.
Which is how to make entertainment and not get in the shit.

Dude you have more provisos and 'what ifs' going on than can be counted! ......you would make a great politician........I hear Pete Garratt might be creating an opening soon!

[SPman]

.......I hear Pete Garratt might be creating an opening soon!
Oh yes please..........the sooner that gutless fucker is out of there, the better! Hey Dave...whatta you like at approving free house insulation......

[Big Dave]

What proviso? - that there are rules, and that if you don't follow them for publicly broadcast stunts you get in the poo? I've learnt from the whole shemozzle too.

How can I say that clearer?

And yes, I do make a great politician. Although 'Kingmaker' has a nicer tone.

[Big Dave]

The man who wrote 'Hercules' is a Saint. He's aged 20 years in the last five though.

[SixPackBack]

What proviso? - that there are rules, and that if you don't follow them for publicly broadcast stunts you get in the poo? I've learnt from the whole shemozzle too.

How can I say that clearer?

And yes, I do make a great politician. Although 'Kingmaker' has a nicer tone.

.........And they often make no sense, are often there for no other reason than to control the population, that far more dangerous stunts are performed on our roads by some of the people in this thread bitching the loudest, that regardless of what rules Carver had followed-what OSH policy was adhered to, in the end its his neck and his risk??.........Oh and lets not forget some of the most hypocritical cnuts you are ever likely to meet commiting ad hominem arguments just to make their cocks itch, oh and no one ever broke the law, or operated outside of the law!



The man who wrote 'Hercules' is a Saint. He's aged 20 years in the last five though.

No argument. Pete is a vocal God.

[Big Dave]

Edited - gonna start a new thread

[oldrider]

I see all yours is performed on the internet.

I call check mate!

[avgas]

You're not good at it anyway. Heinekin?
Would kill for a Sapporo, Kirin or even TsingTao.
But only Macs in fridge today. Which seems to have lost is flavour in the last few years

[Big Dave]

Would kill for a Sapporo, Kirin or even TsingTao.
But only Macs in fridge today. Which seems to have lost is flavour in the last few years

I introduced Jnr to Sapporo and can't keep it in the fridge. Never liked Macs.

I do have a Friday afternoon six pack of VB for the cricket. Yoo bewdy.

[Swoop]

One could also mention wheelies on a VFR1200. It's all stunting.
A shaft drive bike cannot be wheelied. We all know that...:whistle:
KB legend and all that.

[jellywrestler]

A shaft drive bike cannot be wheelied. We all know that...:whistle:
KB legend and all that. i think not

[Big Dave]

i think not

It's a KB in-joke. Like Upside down forks - nudge nudge - wink wink. (Shhh)

[Swoop]

i think not
Obviously Photoshopped.

[avgas]

A shaft drive bike cannot be wheelied. We all know that...:whistle:
KB legend and all that.
I think Zed told me it was written on some bit of paper somewhere ;)
But when you think about - if you did do it, how would you explain it to your mate?
"Yeh so I got the shaft true and vertical today, great feeling"

[Swoop]

how would you explain it to your mate?
"Yeh so I got the shaft true and vertical today, great feeling"
I doubt Honda riders would have a problem...:whistle:

[pritch]

I doubt Honda riders would have a problem...:whistle:

I don't know about that, it'd depend on who was feeling it?

[avgas]

I doubt Honda riders would have a problem...:whistle:
hehe you mean "V" tec

[caseye]

A shaft drive bike cannot be wheelied. We all know that...:whistle:
KB legend and all that.

I'll give you a bet it can be done and then i'll go ask my friend on his BMW to do it for you! I've rideen alongside him and watched in awe as he raised his machine into the stratosphere on it's hind Leg. I kid you not.
No stunt bike this one, just anordinary old Bmmer.

[Big Dave]

Pics or it didn't happen. :shutup:

[Swoop]

"WHOOOOSH!!!"
Would be the sound of that passing overhead.

[Eddieb]

I'll give you a bet it can be done and then i'll go ask my friend on his BMW to do it for you! I've rideen alongside him and watched in awe as he raised his machine into the stratosphere on it's hind Leg. I kid you not.
No stunt bike this one, just anordinary old Bmmer.

My old R80G/S would wheelie off the throttle with someone sitting on the back, but it took more abuse than I was willing to give to get it to do it without someone on the back. Guess that was just all about the weight distribution.

[R-Soul]

this come to mind...

O for ORRRRRRSUM

[That looks like fun]

I cant believe I just sat and read this whole thread, :blink: man I gotta get a life :shit:

[Fluffy Cat]

I cant believe I just sat and read this whole thread, :blink: man I gotta get a life :shit:

Me to almost.....skipped to the end. What next?.....Man walks dog, judge gets serious........Storm in a tea cup. NZ judges suck as bad as UK ones. Go maketh an example of this ear miscreant of the lowest order....and 13 years to a granny killer....Storm in a tea cup.

[STJim]

Jonathan Bennent otherwise known as"Carver" of "Morman Few" fame vacated his Not Gulty Plea in the Hamilton District Court this morning in respect of the Charge of Dangerous Driving for his stunt riding over the archs of the Fairfield Bridge across the Waikato River in Hamilton last year.
The result was a fine of $500.00 ,Court Costs of $130.00 and the mandatory disqualification for 6 months from midnight tonight.
I am expecting an article in either this afternoon's Waikato Times plus an item on TV 3 News tonight and possibly on Close up tonight.
For those of you who followed the previous thread I am Jonathan's Legal Counsel and I have his permission to place this post. In Legal terms he has waived priviledge although there is nothing in this post that isn't in the public domain. Comment questions and robust debate are welcome.
Jonathan now has a 28 day stand down period before he can apply for a limited licence for work.

[nodrog]

I thought you were going to get him off?

[STJim]

I thought you were going to get him off?

When we thought about the matter carefully we were driven to the conclusion that none of the Judges in Hamilton would wear the argument that the arches of the bridge were not part of the road. The defination of a road in the Land Transport Act is extremely wide. The case law referrs to to a motorcyclist who road his machine on an esculator. All things considered I am happy with the result.

[Katman]

All things considered I am happy with the result.

I guess you would be. You still get paid.

[MSTRS]

For someone who works in the law, your spelling is atrocious. A valid word (but with a different meaning) used instead of the 'right' word, in some cases, could entirely alter the meaning of some very important piece of legal paper.

Is that a helpful comment? You did say we were welcome to comment...

[Murray]

I guess you would be. You still get paid.

If you followed the history of this you would realise STJim did not charge for his services!!

[Katman]

If you followed the history of this you would realise STJim did not charge for his services!!

What sort of monkey do you get if you pay less than peanuts?

:blink:

[Murray]

What sort of monkey do you get if you pay less than peanuts?

:blink:

Probably someone like you!!

[Crazy Steve]

Will STJim defend me ? ? Im currently awaiting on charges of Fails to stop/Wreckless driving and speeding clocked at 312kph....:)

Im defending the matter...As it wasnt me.....:)

If anyone can suggest a VERY good traffic lawyer please pm me...

Crazy Steve..

[Katman]

Will STJim defend me ? ? Im currently awaiting on charges of Fails to stop/Wreckless driving and speeding clocked at 312kph....:)

Im defending the matter...As it wasnt me.....:)

Crazy Steve..

Any Kiwibiker member could probably secure you a 'Not Guilty on Grounds of Insanity' verdict.

Exhibit A: View all posts by Crazy Steve.

Case closed.

[Crazy Steve]

Any Kiwibiker member could probably secure you a 'Not Guilty on Grounds of Insanity' verdict.

Exhibit A: View all posts by Crazy Steve.

Case closed.

Interesting ? ? ? ?

Crazy Steve...

[Coldrider]

Interesting ? ? ? ?

Crazy Steve...at least it isn't an outright 'no'.

[Ronin]

If you followed the history of this you would realise STJim did not charge for his services!!

What services? Carver pled guilty in the end.

[carver]

It will be on close up and cambell live..
i did not talk to the waikato times as i used to work for em.
close up spent about 3 hours with me, did some riding for them too

[carver]

this will be back at about 7 tonight

[steve_t]

Why wait for TvOne and TV3? (if you have facebook)

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=378702456651&ref=mf

[The Baron]

Sorry to hear your news Carver but there is aways a price for fame.

[slofox]

I wonder why the "Wall of Death" riders, who rode those same arches many years ago, didn't end up in court as well? Could it be that in a bygone age we weren't so bloody intolerant of everything?

Probably a good move on your part Carver...certain members of the judiciary, who are known to me, have absolutely no sense of humour at all...not mentioning any names you unnerstand...

[wbks]

Is carver on the news?

[EJK]

Mike McRoberts said his name!

[wbks]

Duno, just heard something about a "hamiltonian dare devil" on the tv while I was on the computer (can't see TV). Figured KB was the first place for NZs news and I was right

[wbks]

It will be on close up and cambell live..
i did not talk to the waikato times as i used to work for em.
close up spent about 3 hours with me, did some riding for them too
id totally have secks with such a badass (no homo)

[Tink]

is carver on the news?

yes channel 3 is showing it... !

[The Stranger]

I thought you were going to get him off?


I guess you would be. You still get paid.


For someone who works in the law, your spelling is atrocious. A valid word (but with a different meaning) used instead of the 'right' word, in some cases, could entirely alter the meaning of some very important piece of legal paper.

Is that a helpful comment? You did say we were welcome to comment...


What sort of monkey do you get if you pay less than peanuts?

:blink:

No good deed shall go unpunished.
Good one guys.

[bogan]

Sorry to hear your news Carver but there is aways a price for fame.

not too bad a price either, $630 bung and a few months without being able to ride legally, and he gets on two tv shows, waiting to see what sorta spin they put on it though. My money is on "reckless biker is reckless".

[wbks]

haha that was a laugh.

[wbks]

not too bad a price either, $630 bung and a few months without being able to ride legally, and he gets on two tv shows, waiting to see what sorta spin they put on it though. My money is on "reckless biker is reckless".Waiting for campbell live but the news didn't put that spin on it. Probably because it was obvious he was the only one at risk and he was upfront about everything. Waiting for a few MFSC name drops on campbell

[Boob Johnson]

Just saw the article on 3news, you came across quite well I thought Carver. Did you tell the court or the TV crew that you had been practicing for this stunt for some time? Wasn't just done on a whim! The lowest fine & minimum loss of license seems to reflect that.


Looking forward to the next clip on Campbell live.

[STJim]

For someone who works in the law, your spelling is atrocious. A valid word (but with a different meaning) used instead of the 'right' word, in some cases, could entirely alter the meaning of some very important piece of legal paper.

Is that a helpful comment? You did say we were welcome to comment...
That's a valid comment I usually rely heavily on spell check no such faculity on this forum
Cheers

[Smifffy]

After all of the posturing in the earlier thread, I think Carver made the right plea, said to the Man, "Yeah I did it, now I take the consequences."

Kudos Carver!

[Drew]

Stjim- you were going to try and argue that the arches of a bridge, financed by what we now call land transport or some such thing, are not part of our roading system?

Further more, you wanted to argue that Carver doesn't own said arches, and had no permission to ride on them, whilst possibly endangering the motoring public, so therefore shouldn't be in the shit?

I really fuckin hope the law is not your primary income, because if I can see holes in your initial defence, you're never gonna win a court battle.

[SPman]

. My money is on "reckless biker is reckless".

or maybe "Reckless rider is wreckless"..........

[Drew]

That's a valid comment I usually rely heavily on spell check no such faculity on this forum
CheersJesus christ! The lawyers in this country don't even need to have passed third form english it would seem.

[rainman]

That's a valid comment I usually rely heavily on spell check no such faculity on this forum


Use Firefox. :done:

[That looks like fun]

Or use the spell check on this forum :innocent:
Per chance this is why legal costs are so high in this country :yes:

[Shadowjack]

And was...!!!
With a reminder "Leave it to the experts".
Just the vid, no editorial comment except as above. And a mention of the fine, etc.

[Maha]

Nice comb-over John.

[Boob Johnson]

Stjim- you were going to try and argue that the arches of a bridge, financed by what we now call land transport or some such thing, are not part of our roading system?

Further more, you wanted to argue that Carver doesn't own said arches, and had no permission to ride on them, whilst possibly endangering the motoring public, so therefore shouldn't be in the shit?

I really fuckin hope the law is not your primary income, because if I can see holes in your initial defence, you're never gonna win a court battle.
Think you may have missed the point there Drew, correct me if im wrong but they were EXPLORING those options & decided it wasn't the best angle. Nothing wrong with that.


Just saw the clip on both Close Up & Campbell Live, TV3 was much better. Good interview Jonathon lol, love the T-shirt. Why not mention the MFSC?

[bogan]

saw close up one, did a pretty good job, :niceone:

[Latte]

Just saw the clip on both Close Up & Campbell Live, TV3 was much better. Good interview Jonathon lol, love the T-shirt. Why not mention the MFSC?

That's what happens when you're famous, you forget the little people :D It'll be "Daredevil Carver and The Mormon Few Stunt Crew" soon.

[Blackbird]

Jesus christ! The lawyers in this country don't even need to have passed third form english it would seem.

I don't know STJim, but you're another muppet who seems to confuse spelling problems with a lack of intelligence and/or ability. I'm biased of course as we have a son who's spelling is crap. Oh, and he has 2 degrees and has a top job in healthcare:innocent: He relies on a spell checker too!

[Drew]

I don't know STJim, but you're another muppet who seems to confuse spelling problems with a lack of intelligence and/or ability. I'm biased of course as we have a son who's spelling is crap. Oh, and he has 2 degrees and has a top job in healthcare:innocent: He relies on a spell checker too!

I'm a muppet? Prey tell how an individual who should not have passed school cert english can be proud of two degrees.

I don not think that the ability to spell is indicative of intelligence, I think it's the first indication that someone who is intelligent is just fucking lazy. There are rules to writing the language we speak, and although it is one of the hardest languages to learn second, someone raised speaking it who attends university should have a decent handle on it.

Go eat shit by the way. I was taking the piss, it's a thread about Carver, the biggest piss taker on the fuckin site. You're son IS a moron I fear, and I'd hazard that it's hereditary.

[Maha]

Anyone notice The Carver Comb-Over?

[phill-k]

On your riding the hoops, just fucken brilliant, you have bigger balls than most, and listening to you on that tool the walrus's show it was bloody obvious, that whilst there will be those who condemn you, that you put some serious time and effort into the stunt, it was calculated, well planned and well executed, well done. the very best I've seen in a long time.

[Blackbird]

I'm a muppet? Prey tell how an individual who should not have passed school cert english can be proud of two degrees.

I don not think that the ability to spell is indicative of intelligence, I think it's the first indication that someone who is intelligent is just fucking lazy. There are rules to writing the language we speak, and although it is one of the hardest languages to learn second, someone raised speaking it who attends university should have a decent handle on it.

Go eat shit by the way. I was taking the piss, it's a thread about Carver, the biggest piss taker on the fuckin site. You're son IS a moron I fear, and I'd hazard that it's hereditary.

Well that got a bite! Perhaps ST Jim felt a bit like you clearly did. Oh, and there's a mistake in your typing too.

[Drew]

Think you may have missed the point there Drew, correct me if im wrong but they were EXPLORING those options & decided it wasn't the best angle. Nothing wrong with that. I read "vacated" to mean that he left his original plea, for another.

Are folks actual serious in this thread? It's Carver, the guy exists to have fun doing stupid shit. Do you read his posts, watch his videos?

Never mind, I'll chalk this one up as a fail.

[Drew]

Oh, and there's a mistake in your typing too.

I admit that I'm thick though, so it's OK.

[bogan]

Anyone notice The Carver Comb-Over?

yeh a little bit, my flatmate asked who the fuck it was, same guy who just rode the bridge I says!

[Katman]

:love:<hgvhgvhjv>

[Leviticus]

Carver? Well done.
STjim? Nice one.
Trolls? Carry on as normal.

[Drew]

:love:<hgvhgvhjv>I'm SOOOOOO feeling the love right now man.

[Drew]

Trolls? Carry on as normal.I'm primed, but thanks for the go ahead anyway.

[crazzed]

close up for those that missed it

http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/stun-landed-prankster-in-court-4-43-video-3444743

[oldrider]

After all of the posturing in the earlier thread, I think Carver made the right plea, said to the Man, "Yeah I did it, now I take the consequences."

Kudos Carver!

Plus one to that. I think this just displays how stupid our judiciary are, they let recidivist drunk drivers go, over and over, with pathetically light sentences and waste court time and resources with charges like Carver's!

He should have dismissed the charges and just cautioned Carver about future activities!

Had Carver been a university student he would have been OK!

That stunt took balls and skill, Carver should be congratulated. IMHO

[MaxB]

Methinks one of the things that did for Carver was the guy walking underneath while he passed overhead.

I'll bet the safety police couldn't let that go.

[Hitcher]

Will STJim defend me ? ? Im currently awaiting on charges of Fails to stop/Wreckless driving and speeding clocked at 312kph....:)

Im defending the matter...As it wasnt me.....:)

If anyone can suggest a VERY good traffic lawyer please pm me...

Crazy Steve..

With spelling like that, it looks like a perfect match.

[blossomsowner]

good entertaining thread for a change



keep up the efforts Drew. i think you are right about intelligent people not being able to spell is just laziness.

and the bridge stunt was fantastic too..............

[Drew]

With spelling like that, it looks like a perfect match.

I figure being charged with wreckless driving just meant he hadn't crashed.

[caseye]

Well Carver, they got you! Pity because they could have had their cake and eaten it too and made it impossible for anyone else to repeat the stunt by adding one or two bollards on the arches.
You didn 't deserver the over the top punishment and you did plead guilty, I hope that they heard how much time and effort went into making sure you could handle this ride.
I'd rather the city fatheads and their pet policemen and women did their actual job and made damn sure that their cities recidivist drunk drivers are taken off the roads for good.
One (a hamiltonian drunk(14 times convicted) and never jailed)nearly did for my mother and father a few years ago and when I saw the Half a page article article in the Waikato Rubbish rag extolling the gentle giants virtues as a rugby loving fun type of guy I rang the editor and asekd him if he'd like my dads story of a driver on his side of the road for over 200 metres , of having his wife screaming that they were going to die as he put her and her side of the car up a bank so that only he was to take the impact.
The editors reply??? Thats not news.
The bastard dying at the scene and his mates going back into the car he was in to get more beers while they threatened a broken necked, broken backed and shattered hipped 60 plus year old man and his unconscious wife got off lucky. I'd certainly be in prison now if he'd lived.
Less time making stupid examples of obviously competent, spirited people and more time puttiung away fuckwits and I for one would be happier.
Will ride with you again anytime Carver.

[Boob Johnson]

I read "vacated" to mean that he left his original plea, for another.

Are folks actual serious in this thread? It's Carver, the guy exists to have fun doing stupid shit. Do you read his posts, watch his videos?

Never mind, I'll chalk this one up as a fail.
Since no jest was detected or sarcasim tags in use it's hard to not draw the conclusion myself & others have to your post. Meh, you failed & thats ok, get over yourself.

[westie]

Is riding a motor bike over a bridge arch way more dangerous to the public than riding a motorbike down the road standing on the seat?
The penalty for carver seems a bit harsh, but I feel it was because of the publicity it received.
Carver you poser. Great work on sainsburys show.

Keep up the good posing!

ps can someone spell check this for me

[Katman]

I wanna see Carver in Woman's Day!

[davebullet]

Temet nosce (know thyself). Some people say Rossi is "mad" to do what he does, the risks etc...

$500 couldn't buy you a 4:43 slot on closeup. Well done.

[Eddieb]

Well, it looks like he was convicted today, but i missed what he got.

[Boob Johnson]

I wanna see Carver in Woman's Day!
With the way you bitch n moan surprised we haven't seen you to date :laugh:

[crashdumby]

Not enough, dicks like him cast a dark shadow over the motorcycle comunity take the loosers licence

[Tink]

Not enough, dicks like him cast a dark shadow over the motorcycle comunity take the loosers licence

so that makes the boys crusty demons what... (just licenced dicks).. :)

[DougieNZ]

So after all of the posturing and arguments to and fro we get this statement:

"I got what I deserved"

I don't think I can remember seeing a bigger about face in history. I think back now to how all the stetments were made that he had "won" and that he was going to "get off" etc etc. Gee - I'll bet that judge went home last night licking his wounds and reflecting on how he didn't see that defence blindsiding him with an incredible argument! But instead a guilty plea and statements "I am happy with the result"!

If Carver had have fallen off the bridge on to pedestrians (one side - clearly seen on video) or the traffic (on the other) and killed someone he would currently be awaiting a manslaughter trial and his soon to be friend "bubba" would be licking his lips in anticipation!

Lets look at the arguments in his favour:

1. Carver didn't fall off

True, but he clearly put several people at risk who did not get a choice as to whether they were being put at risk or not. There was no attempt to stop traffic or pedestrians. Just one other thing. Talk to a few tirals riders. Do you reckon you could find one that has never fallen off their bike?

2. Carver is a good rider

True again. But there are no guarantees that falling off wouldn't happen. We are dealing with humans and machines here. Humans can make mistakes. Machines can do unexpected things.

3. Other riders put people at risk by speeding, falling off etc

Ummmm... yes - maybe. But the difference was that this was a PLANNED event. Carver had done plenty of practice and knew when and where the event was going to happen. He knowingly put other people at risk.

4. This is the "PC brigade" gone wrong!

Maybe so - but sometimes they are right! I don't think anyone would have a problem if the bridge was closed off and the only person to be put at risk was Carver. I would be joining in all the congratulatory messages in that case. It is a bit like protesting - do it as long as people can go about their lawful business and not be put at risk by your behaviour.

5. Carver hates publicity

This should be the next Tui add. But I guess he is not THAT famous.

6. He got off lightly

Ummm 28 days compulsory standdown. A conviction. A limited licence has severe restrictions on where and when you can drive - and that's only if he is successful in obtaining one.

7. Carver is famous - it was worth it.

He now has a conviction and is potentially going to have to explain this to his futre employers for the rest of his life. Reckon that they will be impressed? I wouldn't be.

8. Carver will get off

Guilty Plea? Statement - "I got what I deserved"



I will close with just one more piece of advice.

get another Lawyer to do your limited licence application!

[nodrog]

I wanna see Carver in Woman's Day!

you read womens day?

[oldrider]

Hey DougieNZ, your attitude and your avatar are at odds with one another but like me and Mrs O and Coronation street, you have become "involved"! Enjoy!

[cindymay]

Anyone notice The Carver Comb-Over? Oh yes


I wanna see Carver in Woman's Day! When / if I want babies I will give Carver a call.

[DougieNZ]

Hhehehe fair point. :-)

Of course that was done in controlled conditions with public kept away etc... I'm bloody amazed anyone can wheelie a bike as heavy as an ST! I have no doubt Carver could do it!

[Drew]

Since no jest was detected or sarcasim tags in use it's hard to not draw the conclusion myself & others have to your post. Meh, you failed & thats ok, get over yourself.I'm well over myself. I'm all over how great I am, how good looking I am, and how clever I am. I'm sooo all over myself it scares me.

[2wheeldrifter]

I cant believe I just sat and read this whole thread, :blink: man I gotta get a life :shit:

Inglewood!!!!!!! a life!!!!!!! stick with KB lol

[kevfromcoro]

Well, it looks like he was convicted today, but i missed what he got.

think he got a $500 fine.. and 6 month walk.......................

[oldguy]

I wonder if he will post the vid on youtube again?

[FJRider]

I wonder if he will post the vid on youtube again?

This is Carver we are talking about ... :innocent:

[Owl]

think he got a $500 fine.. and 6 month walk.......................

Yeah a bit harsh I thought, considering D.I.C would fetch similar.

[R6_kid]

3. Other riders put people at risk by speeding, falling off etc

Ummmm... yes - maybe. But the difference was that this was a PLANNED event. Carver had done plenty of practice and knew when and where the event was going to happen. He knowingly put other people at risk.

Actually, they told people he was about to ride over the bridge and that it was up to them if they wanted to walk/drive over. Or were you there and therefore know more than me?

In some respects what Carver did was no more dangerous than riding down the road. I know of a number of places where if I came off my bike it would be falling off a ledge onto people unexpectedly, and most likely at more than the 15-20kmh Carver did on his trials bike while riding over the hoops.

Sometimes you need to step back, remove your emotion from the subject, and take all the facts into account.

[smoky]

:wacko:
I admit that I'm thick though, so it's OK.

You're being a big dick Drew


I'm well over myself. I'm all over how great I am, how good looking I am, and how clever I am.

The word deluded springs to mind


I'm sooo all over myself it scares me.
that happens when you're in love ............ with your self

[smoky]

You owe me a beer Jono


And to those who are having a go at Jim; why? he's alright

[kevfromcoro]

Oh yes

When / if I want babies I will give Carver a call.

Oui.. iam in Brisy.. its closer......

[Headbanger]

Just watched the clip from Close Up.

Fuckin Excellent.

The hair had me having a chuckle.

[STJim]

I read "vacated" to mean that he left his original plea, for another.

.

When we talk of vacating a plea in this case a not gulity plea in means that we abandon that plea and replace it with a gulity plea and that is exactly what was done

[STJim]

I will close with just one more piece of advice.

get another Lawyer to do your limited licence application!
Caver will have no difficulity getting a limited licence for work trucks and his own private car to drive to and from his work
Thanks for you vote of confidence

[STJim]

You owe me a beer Jono


And to those who are having a go at Jim; why? he's alright
Your a good friend mate

[Drew]

When we talk of vacating a plea in this case a not gulity plea in means that we abandon that plea and replace it with a gulity plea and that is exactly what was doneI am having difficulty understanding your post, due to the complete lack of punctuation. Said lack means that the statement can have several meanings, something a lawyer should have well in control and be able to use to his advantage.

You're making this very easy.

[smoky]

Your a good friend mate

ease up - you still ride a Honda

[cave weta]

Close up -on just now reckons that that they have had loads of feedback since last night!
One person says that a tiger moth biplane flew under the bridge in 1931 and in 1950 a dude on a BSA rode over the arches.
a traffic cop in the 60s tried it and lost his bike in the river... that shows their ability compared to Carver
Try finding photos of their supposed achievement


In my opinion CARVER is the winner of them all by a country mile!!!


The establishment have not won simply because Jonothon paid a Fine . Carver is folk history - there is no denying that. you try naming the pilot , the rider or the traffic cop.

[smoky]

I am having difficulty understanding your post, due to the complete lack of punctuation.

You're not too bright huh Drew - contra to what you are trying to say, the opposite is probably more likely; it takes a bit more IQ to wade thru the common mans vernacular, not all of us require perfect diction, or a grammatically correct post before we understand them, we kind of get it and are bright enough to work with the local vernacular

[Quasievil]

Carver is folk history

OMG .........what else can be said

[kevfromcoro]

I have met the carver on a few occasions....
He is a nice bloke......... he rides ok..... just posts up a bit of shit sometimes...............
At least he gets out and does things with his life.........................
take my hat off to the cunt.............................

[Oscar]

Close up -on just now reckons that that they have had loads of feedback since last night!
One person says that a tiger moth biplane flew under the bridge in 1931 and in 1950 a dude on a BSA rode over the arches.
a traffic cop in the 60s tried it and lost his bike in the river... that shows their ability compared to Carver
Try finding photos of their supposed achievement


In my opinion CARVER is the winner of them all by a country mile!!!


The establishment have not won simply because Jonothon paid a Fine . Carver is folk history - there is no denying that. you try naming the pilot , the rider or the traffic cop.

Meh.
He got his 15 minutes.
Move on.

[Ronin]

Close up -on just now reckons that that they have had loads of feedback since last night!
One person says that a tiger moth biplane flew under the bridge in 1931 and in 1950 a dude on a BSA rode over the arches.
a traffic cop in the 60s tried it and lost his bike in the river... that shows their ability compared to Carver
Try finding photos of their supposed achievement


In my opinion CARVER is the winner of them all by a country mile!!!


The establishment have not won simply because Jonothon paid a Fine . Carver is folk history - there is no denying that. you try naming the pilot , the rider or the traffic cop.

Swap the arrogance for humility and he may pull it off.

[pritch]

Yeah a bit harsh I thought, considering D.I.C would fetch similar.

The judiciary being used to a seemingly endless procession of low life child molesters, wife beaters, recidivist drunk drivers etc, seem to get unduly excited about anthing out of the ordinary. Entirely understandable if not exactly admirable.

The video was posted on KB yesterday and on TV3 again and again and again... I wouldn't be surprised if it made Plays of the Week.

I've never been a fan of the Mormon few, never seen any of their other vids, but then I was on dial up until relatively recently. I did think though that Carver acquitted himself well on TV last night. Came across as articulate and having considered what he was doing.

The $500 is only money. The licence loss may be more of an inconvenience but he appears to be resourceful enough to get the occasional fix. Off road of course...

[DougieNZ]

Actually, they told people he was about to ride over the bridge and that it was up to them if they wanted to walk/drive over. Or were you there and therefore know more than me?

So... who is they?? If every car was stopped and told that the stunt was about to happen under what authority did that happen? Did it happen? If it did then I am prepared to look at things a little differently. This has never been about Carver's skill as a rider. More about the innocent people driving/walking under him on the bridge.

It was an interesting campaign though.

I'm going to get off
I'm going to win
I've had a win
I am vindicated
I am in the right

Then

I am going to plead GUILTY????
I got what I deserved????

Hmmmmm

The other comment I would make is that limited licences are by no means guaranteed. And you would be more than a little arrogant turning up to court thinking they were. Perhaps a bit of humility and contrition may go a long way to assit the application.

[pritch]

I am having difficulty understanding your post, due to the complete lack of punctuation.

A guy I knew had a science degree, worked at Victoria University no less. He also had a signature line to the effect, "I don't insert commas, readers can decide when to breathe for themselves."

[Drew]

You're not too bright huh Drew If you say so.

[MaxB]

So... who is they?? If every car was stopped and told that the stunt was about to happen under what authority did that happen? Did it happen? If it did then I am prepared to look at things a little differently. This has never been about Carver's skill as a rider. More about the innocent people driving/walking under him on the bridge......................................



Round here at least truckers and contractors will have guys stopping traffic while their mates do their reversing or off loading. They don't have official authority but their actions go a long way to help safety especially as some drivers in South Auckland would be a lot safer letting ther guide dogs do the driving.

I wonder if Carver had a couple of mates in HiViz stopping traffic and pedestrains for a few minutes he might have got a few more brownie points with the law?

[smoky]

Carver is folk history - there is no denying that.

OMG .........what else can be said
Come on now Brett - don't ya wish you'd thrown a bit of sponsorship his way, could've had the Quassi brand over the two main TV stations

[Jdogg]

Just watched the clip from Close Up.

Fuckin Excellent.

The hair had me having a chuckle.

and his wind swept and interesting glances from side to side as he walked down the steps towards the cameras....pure zoolander pisstake, love it carver!!

[Gareth51]

Plus one to that. I think this just displays how stupid our judiciary are, they let recidivist drunk drivers go, over and over, with pathetically light sentences and waste court time and resources with charges like Carver's!

He should have dismissed the charges and just cautioned Carver about future activities!

Had Carver been a university student he would have been OK!

That stunt took balls and skill, Carver should be congratulated. IMHO

I'm with you there John

[Toaster]

Clearly no fear of heights there carver.

What is it you do for a living? I assume you don't need to drive for work and that your employer does not consider this conviction and publicity of an employee as bringing them into disrepute in any way? Some (especially large) employers code of conduct cover employee activities outside of work hours.

[oldrider]

Clearly no fear of heights there carver.

What is it you do for a living? I assume you don't need to drive for work and that your employer does not consider this conviction and publicity of an employee as bringing them into disrepute in any way? Some (especially large) employers code of conduct cover employee activities outside of work hours.

I think carver was afraid all right but he just overcame his fears with his need to succeed!

The aftermath is all about mind over matter too, Carver doesn't mind, because his critics don't matter! :mellow:

Forever more it's, "Carver's bridge"! :yes:

[Sidewinder]

how gay!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cr1MiNaL]

Can anyone compile the links to Cravers so called fame for kb and post here pls.

[Toaster]

Can anyone compile the links to Cravers so called fame for kb and post here pls.

What does "so called fame for kb" mean?

[Swoop]

Waiting for a few MFSC name drops on campbell
If a name-change to "The Destiny Few Stunt Crew" was to occur, then publicity would be guaranteed on Campbell Live... for weeks on end.

[BikerDazz]

Swap the arrogance for humility and he may pull it off.

my thoughts exactly

[Maha]

Close up -on just now reckons that that they have had loads of feedback since last night!
One person says that a tiger moth biplane flew under the bridge in 1931 and in 1950 a dude on a BSA rode over the arches.
a traffic cop in the 60s tried it and lost his bike in the river... that shows their ability compared to Carver
Try finding photos of their supposed achievement


In my opinion CARVER is the winner of them all by a country mile!!!


The establishment have not won simply because Jonothon paid a Fine . Carver is folk history - there is no denying that. you try naming the pilot , the rider or the traffic cop.

Lets put this into perspective....
In the 1930's -50's there was no internet.
If it wasn't for the internet, Carver's efforts wouldn't be widely known.
Finding photos of the other achievements? they will be around, they'll be in family albums.
Only those who know Carver will know his name...there will be thousands of Kiwis that couldn't name him, just like the pilot and the other two blokes.

[JimO]

Lets put this into perspective....


Only those who know Carver will know his name...there will be thousands of Kiwis that couldn't name him, .


they will just refer to him as that halfwit on the bike....todays news tomorrows fishnchip rapper

[R6_kid]

If a name-change to "The Destiny Few Stunt Crew" was to occur, then publicity would be guaranteed on Campbell Live... for weeks on end.

ZOMG that's an awesome name!

[R6_kid]

So... who is they?? If every car was stopped and told that the stunt was about to happen under what authority did that happen? Did it happen? If it did then I am prepared to look at things a little differently. This has never been about Carver's skill as a rider. More about the innocent people driving/walking under him on the bridge.

I know for a fact that the guy who you can see walking over the bridge was told that a bike was about to ride over the arches, I'm also pretty sure that the white car seems to shadow Carver as he goes across the arches was a) told the same as the guy walking, or at very least b) saw him ride up the ramp onto the arches.

[Swoop]

ZOMG that's an awesome name!
You will, of course, require a covenant ring and weekly tithing payments to become a member of that <STRIKE>cult</STRIKE> "group".
Perhaps using harley cruisers as ride-of-choice and riding attire will consist of Savile Row business suits.

[carver]

ah, its is all done and dusted, my employer is great, he aint too worried.
STjim has been great
90% public support is what TVNZ told me over the phone...

i did mention the "few" but they did not want to have to explain it!

[DIN PELENDA]

ah, its is all done and dusted, my employer is great, he aint too worried.
STjim has been great
90% public support is what TVNZ told me over the phone...

i did mention the "few" but they did not want to have to explain it!

I'm with 90 % you got my support mate, so what is next for "Moron few" did you learn something ? You going to grow up or you going to cary on with your shit ???

[LBD]

Bad Luck Carver...in this case the law is an ass IMHO...small minded legal thinking is killing freedom to face challenges and liberty to enjoy non commercial adventure, in NZ.

[DIN PELENDA]

I'm with 90 % you got my support mate, so what is next for "Moron few" did you learn something ? You going to grow up or you going to carry on with your shit ???

I hope you newer grow up and become boring like us !

[Maha]

ah, its is all done and dusted, my employer is great, he aint too worried.
STjim has been great
90% public support is what TVNZ told me over the phone...

i did mention the "few" but they did not want to have to explain it!

90% of 100 people polled is only 90 people though?
Did they say where they got the percentage from? was it outside the courthouse?

[Smifffy]

90% of 100 people polled is only 90 people though?
Did they say where they got the percentage from? was it outside the courthouse?

67% of all statistics are made up on the spot, with no basis in fact.

Always remember that.

[Big Dave]

Deleted - found answer in thread.

[HenryDorsetCase]

That's what happens when you're famous, you forget the little people :D It'll be "Daredevil Carver and The Mormon Few Stunt Crew" soon.

And then you'll have to break up the band.

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[HenryDorsetCase]

You will, of course, require a covenant ring and weekly tithing payments to become a member of that <STRIKE>cult</STRIKE> "group".
Perhaps using harley cruisers as ride-of-choice and riding attire will consist of Savile Row business suits.

Pope brian might get his suits cut on Savile Row, but the minions sure dont. And Pope Jesus brian Lord of creation's suits are far too "wide boy" car dealer-ish. I think he gets them whereever woggy car dealers get theirs.

[Oscar]

Bad Luck Carver...in this case the law is an ass IMHO...small minded legal thinking is killing freedom to face challenges and liberty to enjoy non commercial adventure, in NZ.

Bullshit.
It wasn't a "non-commercial adventure", he broke the law.
And whereas the prank wasn't that serious, the punishment reflected that.
If nothing was done, what would be next?
Every Muppet in the 'Tron with a pit bike would be doing it (or even better, the ones in your neighborhood would be attempting "challenges").

There are plenty of challenges and adventures out there that don't involve this kind of stunt (your average club trial has more challenging and technical stuff than the bridge ride).

[Pixie]

I'm a muppet? Prey tell how an individual who should not have passed school cert english can be proud of two degrees.

I don not think that the ability to spell is indicative of intelligence, I think it's the first indication that someone who is intelligent is just fucking lazy. There are rules to writing the language we speak, and although it is one of the hardest languages to learn second, someone raised speaking it who attends university should have a decent handle on it.

Go eat shit by the way. I was taking the piss, it's a thread about Carver, the biggest piss taker on the fuckin site. You're son IS a moron I fear, and I'd hazard that it's hereditary.


Well that got a bite! Perhaps ST Jim felt a bit like you clearly did. Oh, and there's a mistake in your typing too.

I count two spelling mistakes and two grammatical errors.

[Pixie]

I'm a muppet? Prey tell how an individual who should not have passed school cert english can be proud of two degrees.

I don not think that the ability to spell is indicative of intelligence, I think it's the first indication that someone who is intelligent is just fucking lazy. There are rules to writing the language we speak, and although it is one of the hardest languages to learn second, someone raised speaking it who attends university should have a decent handle on it.

Go eat shit by the way. I was taking the piss, it's a thread about Carver, the biggest piss taker on the fuckin site. You're son IS a moron I fear, and I'd hazard that it's hereditary.


Well that got a bite! Perhaps ST Jim felt a bit like you clearly did. Oh, and there's a mistake in your typing too.


Plus one to that. I think this just displays how stupid our judiciary are, they let recidivist drunk drivers go, over and over, with pathetically light sentences and waste court time and resources with charges like Carver's!

He should have dismissed the charges and just cautioned Carver about future activities!

Had Carver been a university student he would have been OK!

That stunt took balls and skill, Carver should be congratulated. IMHO

Carver committed the worst crime possible in modern New Zealand: He showed signs of individuality.
It's why the authorities want to ban motorcycling.

[bluebird]

Go Carver go. next time cover your face or whatever, do more great tricks like that, but don't get caught! 50 years ago the law wouldn't have given a shit, they would have stopped the traffic so he could do it, people would think it was cool and he would have had his photo taken for the local paper. Thinks got bad recently, I think the lawmakers just wanted to make it harder for someone to be a guy and easier to be a girl.

[Big Dave]

Carver committed the worst crime possible in modern New Zealand: He showed signs of individuality.
It's why the authorities want to ban motorcycling.

How are things on planet paranoid?

[smoky]

Every Muppet in the 'Tron with a pit bike would be doing it (or even better, the ones in your neighborhood would be attempting "challenges").

there's plenty of room in the river for them - don't stop em I say


There are plenty of challenges and adventures out there that don't involve this kind of stunt (your average club trial has more challenging and technical stuff than the bridge ride).

And you know all about carver and what he does or doesn't do?

[carver]

that stats were emailed from viewers...

most bins wins is what i say, and its good to be NZ's most notorious stunt crew

[tri boy]

If you want to be truly notorious dickwad, rob a bank, your still just a boring lil twerp.MHO
As for your (cough) awesome trials skills, bwaaahaahaaa. A 10yr old kid can ride a trials bike slowly in a straight line.
Get over yourself. (ya probably had ribs removed to do that already).

[R6_kid]

90% of 100 people polled is only 90 people though?
Did they say where they got the percentage from? was it outside the courthouse?


67% of all statistics are made up on the spot, with no basis in fact.

Always remember that.

Really unfortunate to have to take you two back to 5th Form Maths. The 90% is representative of those people who were watching the program and felt strongly enough to voice their opinion in the given time frame. This is known as sampling bias. It simply means that only those who felt strong enough about the topic, and had the means to communicate their opinion were likely to reply. While it's not wholly reliable, it is still a decent indication of public opinion, at least to the extent that overall support was in his favour.

[oldrider]

How are things on planet paranoid?

Well, at least it's not too crowded, only trouble is, there are no monopoly rights! :mellow:

[Maha]

Really unfortunate to have to take you two back to 5th Form Maths. The 90% is representative of those people who were watching the program and felt strongly enough to voice their opinion in the given time frame. This is known as sampling bias. It simply means that only those who felt strong enough about the topic, and had the means to communicate their opinion were likely to reply. While it's not wholly reliable, it is still a decent indication of public opinion, at least to the extent that overall support was in his favour.

Yeah see I was in a Remedial Maths class in the 5th form (well, when I wasn't wagging that is)
But that didnt stop me getting into a very well paying trade and Im still in that trade 30 years later.

Carver knows exactly where I stand on the issue......lesson over.

[Oscar]

And you know all about carver and what he does or doesn't do?

I neither know or care: check the context of the comment - read the post I was replying to.

[R6_kid]

Carver knows exactly where I stand on the issue......lesson over.

That IRL you love him, but you don't want the world to know?

[carver]

If you want to be truly notorious dickwad, rob a bank, your still just a boring lil twerp.MHO
As for your (cough) awesome trials skills, bwaaahaahaaa. A 10yr old kid can ride a trials bike slowly in a straight line.
Get over yourself. (ya probably had ribs removed to do that already).

what the fucks wrong with you?

[tri boy]

:baby::finger:Awww, widdle carver gets upset when someone thinks he's a twirp.
Whaaaaaaaaaa.......................

[denill]

If you want to be truly notorious dickwad, rob a bank, your still just a boring lil twerp.MHO
As for your (cough) awesome trials skills, bwaaahaahaaa. A 10yr old kid can ride a trials bike slowly in a straight line.
Get over yourself. (ya probably had ribs removed to do that already).

I am amazed that some of the comments in here are so fucking negative.

I could understand it if I was reading the ‘Letters to the Editor’ but hey this is a motorcycling forum!

The retards have to get over their own inadequacies and realise that Carver did something few here could ever achieve. Trials was a part of my riding activities for nigh 20 years and I KNOW just how much skill, but more importantly – nerve, that was required to ride those arches. A shy, shrinking violet just could not do it. Simple as that.

Carver, take no notice of those suffering from the ‘Little Men’s Tall Poppy’ syndrome. They most certainly haven’t got the balls.

And yeah, no way in Hell would I have ever been able ride those bridge arches.

[Big Dave]

it is still a decent indication of public opinion,

It's a measure of the response of the type of people who respond to TV station current affairs polls.

See also 'Life - get one' and 'Life - what to do when you have none.'.

[carver]

It's a measure of the response of the type of people who respond to TV station current affairs polls.

See also 'Life - get one' and 'Life - what to do when you have none.'.

I agree, Trihardboy always has to point out that someone out there is better, and that the MFSC and myself cant do nothing.
not like i give a fuck though

[Oscar]

I agree, Trihardboy always has to point out that someone out there is better, and that the MFSC and myself cant do nothing.
not like i give a fuck though

You spend a lot of time telling people that you don't give a fuck.
Just saying...

[carver]

haha, yeah, i agree with you on that one

[Big Dave]

Oscar doesn't give a fuck about not giving a fuck because he doesn't give a fuck.

[MIXONE]

Oscar doesn't give a fuck about not giving a fuck because he doesn't give a fuck.

Ah but can he get one?

[Ixion]

Lets put this into perspective....
In the 1930's -50's there was no internet.
If it wasn't for the internet, Carver's efforts wouldn't be widely known.
Finding photos of the other achievements? they will be around, they'll be in family albums.
Only those who know Carver will know his name...there will be thousands of Kiwis that couldn't name him, just like the pilot and the other two blokes.

Fred Ladd got fined for flying under the Harbour Bridge, too. Burn them all I say, life won't be safe for God fearing Rotarians if this sort of behaviour is tolerated.

[kevfromcoro]

Capt Ladd..
yeah he flew a plane under the bridge.....
got in the shit for it too....
was trying to think of his name.............
was a wee time ago.............

[Pixie]

How are things on planet paranoid?

Oh Great Pharoah,how are things in de nile?:devil2:

[Oscar]

Ah but can he get one?

Not lately.....:nono:

[Big Dave]

Oh Great Pharoah,how are things in de nile?:devil2:

Tut tut, you sound like you're having your pyramid.

[Laava]

Fred Ladd got fined for flying under the Harbour Bridge, too. Burn them all I say, life won't be safe for God fearing Rotarians if this sort of behaviour is tolerated.
None of us would have remembered his name if he had NOT been fined, that is part of being a man and taking whatever gets dished out. The law can't just sit back and do nothing. No doubt in their hearts they are not enjoying dishing out fines for these sort of capers but they have to. Discourages others, especially those who lack the skill and foresight to pull it off. As I said to Carver when I met him, "Well done, good stunt" but a public conviction endorses the stunt more than even the stunt itself.

[smoky]

:baby::finger:Awww, widdle carver gets upset when someone thinks he's a twirp.
Whaaaaaaaaaa.......................

Mate - i've been out riding with you before, and riding with carver, you two are poler opposites, he gets out there ad pushes it too hard for my liking, you get out there and plod along so slowly I wonder why you even bother

I'd rather live a short life as a lion - than a long life as a snail

We all have our choices - but some how I wonder what carver did to endear such harsh comments from you every chance you get, have you met him, do you understand what his black humor is about? Do you understand the concept of a piss take?

[Big Dave]

carver--->poler

Nice Freud.

[Ixion]

.. We all have our choices - but some how I wonder what carver did to endear such harsh comments from you every chance you get, have you met him, do you understand what his black humor is about? Do you understand the concept of a piss take?

I wonder if those who are condemnatory of Mr carver have met him in meatspace?

Until recently, I thought I understood what sort of a person mr carver was. I had an opinion of him. It was not entirely laudatory

Then I had an opportunity to meet him. I was obliged to recognise that my understanding was defective. And to significantly amend my opinion. (I'm sure Mr Carver cares not a whit for that, but I was happy to do it. It is always pleasant to find that the world is a better place than one had presumed)

[Big Dave]

understood what sort of a person mr carver was.

Next thing you know you'll be digging on Ashton Kutcher and we'll get you out of that yellow jacket.

[Ixion]

Who the fuck is Ashton Kutcher ? EDIT: Never mind I Googled him (how long BTW before Googled loses its capitals ?). But I still don't see the relevance . Mr Kutcher is not (apparently) gay ? And I have black jackets also. I like to have a choice.

[Big Dave]

Who the fuck is Ashton Kutcher ? EDIT: Never mind I Googled him (how long BTW before Googled loses its capitals ?). But I still don't see the relevance . Mr Kutcher is not (apparently) gay ? And I have black jackets also. I like to have a choice.

Punk'd is a modern entertainment genre that Mr C's act fits within and where Mr K is the Doyen.

I have picked on the waterbottle and the BMW enough.

[Ixion]

OK. So what's a "modern entertainment genre" ? Bearing in mind my definition of "modern"

EDIT: Isn't "punk" supposed to have safety pins through the nose, and pink mohawks? Mr Carver had neither. In fact, I am confident that if I were to introduce him to Mrs Ixion, she would consider him a "very polite , clean cut, well bred young man". The accolade last bestowed on Mr Renegade Master, of whom she throughly approved. Mrs Ixion's seal of approval is not lightly earned.

[Big Dave]

OK. So what's a "modern entertainment genre" ? Bearing in mind my definition of "modern"

In your day it was 'Candid Camera' and 'Ripley's Believe it or not'. Cross the two and make it cruel. Punk'd.

[oldrider]

Fred Ladd got fined for flying under the Harbour Bridge, too. Burn them all I say, life won't be safe for God fearing Rotarians if this sort of behaviour is tolerated.

Mrs oldrider and I flew in Fred Ladd's plane not long after he did that and if you think Carver is full of himself, that guy was almost unbearably overflowing with self adoration!

Flying under the harbour bridge was a doddle compared to Carver's ride over the arches IMHO! :yes:

[Big Dave]

Mrs oldrider and I flew in Fred Ladd's plane not long after he did that and if you think Carver is full of himself, that guy was almost unbearably overflowing with self adoration!

Flying under the harbour bridge was a doddle compared to Carver's ride over the arches IMHO! :yes:

Whew. Thank goodness - I thought you were going to get out of shape about the Rotarian jab.

[smoky]

Who thinks Big Dave has had enough whiskey and should go to bed

[Big Dave]

Who thinks Big Dave has had enough whiskey and should go to bed

Like, who drinks whiskey.

I can type slower if you don't get it.

[smoky]

Like, who drinks whiskey..

I do (and had a few)

I get nostalgic when i drink whiskey, just thought you were getting nostalgic with your comments


.... Ashton Kutcher and we'll get you out of that yellow jacket.

...... Mr K is the Doyen.

'Candid Camera' and 'Ripley's Believe it or not'.

[Squiggles]

Mrs Ixion's seal of approval is not lightly earned.

Bet she'd hate me :lol:

[LBD]

Bullshit.
It wasn't a "non-commercial adventure", he broke the law.
And whereas the prank wasn't that serious, the punishment reflected that.
If nothing was done, what would be next?
Every Muppet in the 'Tron with a pit bike would be doing it (or even better, the ones in your neighborhood would be attempting "challenges").


There are plenty of challenges and adventures out there that don't involve this kind of stunt (your average club trial has more challenging and technical stuff than the bridge ride).

What Law? ...The one that says you cannot see and face up to a challenge? "Sorry mate you are not allowed to climb that mountain or wade across that river or go surfing or diving because you might get into difficulties and need assistance, and that will then put some one else at risk and waste public $, all because of your fool hardy sense of adventure.....

As for the last sentence...you are limiting "fun" to structured and organised events...where there is a commercial interest albiet simple public liability insurance. Where is the freedom to find, face up to and enjoy individual challenges in that?

[Big Dave]

See Smokey - you did miss it - It's just messing with Ixion's head. Do it right and you can hear the gears grind. :-)

[howdamnhard]

About time,couldn't view it before. Nice video , pity about the pedestrian and cars below. What did you get ?

[Oscar]

What Law? ...The one that says you cannot see and face up to a challenge? "Sorry mate you are not allowed to climb that mountain or wade across that river or go surfing or diving because you might get into difficulties and need assistance, and that will then put some one else at risk and waste public $, all because of your fool hardy sense of adventure.....

As for the last sentence...you are limiting "fun" to structured and organised events...where there is a commercial interest albiet simple public liability insurance. Where is the freedom to find, face up to and enjoy individual challenges in that?

What law?
The one that protects my wife and kids from having trials bikes falling on their heads.

Where does it say I'm limiting fun to organised events?
I merely said he would find similar challenges in club trials events - I did not limit it to that.

The freedom to find, face up to and enjoy individual challenges is tempered by responsibility. Anyone who does these things must be responsible for their own safety and the safety of others - the tourist who goes walking with suitable clothing, the climber who doesn't check the weather and the fisherman without safety equipment - these are all as stupid as Carver.

[smoky]

What Law? ...The one that says you cannot see and face up to a challenge? "Sorry mate you are not allowed to climb that mountain or wade across that river or go surfing or diving because you might get into difficulties and need assistance, and that will then put some one else at risk and waste public $, all because of your fool hardy sense of adventure.....

As for the last sentence...you are limiting "fun" to structured and organised events...where there is a commercial interest albiet simple public liability insurance. Where is the freedom to find, face up to and enjoy individual challenges in that?

very good points, well said


What law?
The one that protects my wife and kids from having trials bikes falling on their heads.

Where does it say I'm limiting fun to organised events?
I merely said he would find similar challenges in club trials events - I did not limit it to that.

The freedom to find, face up to and enjoy individual challenges is tempered by responsibility. Anyone who does these things must be responsible for their own safety and the safety of others - the tourist who goes walking with suitable clothing, the climber who doesn't check the weather and the fisherman without safety equipment - these are all as stupid as Carver.

Very good points, well said .............


Now I've forgotten what side of the fence I'm on ....or should that be; what side of the bridge I'm on

[carver]

What law?
The one that protects my wife and kids from having trials bikes falling on their heads.

Where does it say I'm limiting fun to organised events?
I merely said he would find similar challenges in club trials events - I did not limit it to that.

The freedom to find, face up to and enjoy individual challenges is tempered by responsibility. Anyone who does these things must be responsible for their own safety and the safety of others - the tourist who goes walking with suitable clothing, the climber who doesn't check the weather and the fisherman without safety equipment - these are all as stupid as Carver.

I do club trials already!

I did it on a day with no wind, or rain, and went WITH the flow of traffic.
I was in plain sight the whole time, so if people wanted to drive under me, they were welcome to, but it was their risk.

i could have closed the footpath though

[Morcs]

I agree with Carver.

If the 'Wife and Kids' are stupid enough to walk under something that has a high risk of falling, well....

[Big Dave]

>> but it was their risk.<<

There's the nub - no it isn't - it's a danger you were 'inflicting' on them.

I've been booked twice for riding on the footpath. The offence was 'failure to keep within lane' or something like that. It boils down to the same deal. Improper use that endangers others is the angle.

I may or may not have done it again since. :whistle: The difference is I didn't poke fun at plod on you tube.

[Mental Trousers]

Personally, if I was the Judge on this case I would've let him keep his licence and not paid any fine or court costs BUT he definitely would've spent a month locked up in a very small cell with a very big Samoan named Sweet Pea and 1x single use tube of KY. That would either teach him a lesson or make him a new lifetime buddy (although Sidewinder might get upset with that).

Btw, it's the legal secretaries that have to be able to spell, not the lawyers!!

[Mental Trousers]

>> but it was their risk.<<

There's the nub - no it isn't - it's a danger you were 'inflicting' on them.

I've been booked twice for riding on the footpath. The offence was 'failure to keep within lane' or something like that. It boils down to the same deal. Improper use that endangers others is the angle.

I may or may not have done it again since. :whistle: The difference is I didn't poke fun at plod on you tube.

ie you weren't stupid enough to get caught.

For me that's the main point about this whole thing. If Carver didn't go around saying look at me look at me, but instead just let things get out on the quiet (including a leaked video) then he'd be an underground hero rather than a twit who got less than he deserved.

[Oscar]

I do club trials already!

I did it on a day with no wind, or rain, and went WITH the flow of traffic.
I was in plain sight the whole time, so if people wanted to drive under me, they were welcome to, but it was their risk.

i could have closed the footpath though

Yeah, I always look at the top arch before driving over the Fairfield Bridge...

[DougieNZ]

I do club trials already!

I did it on a day with no wind, or rain, and went WITH the flow of traffic.
I was in plain sight the whole time, so if people wanted to drive under me, they were welcome to, but it was their risk.

i could have closed the footpath though

Ahhh so finally we get to the truth of the matter. I thought something smelt about the "we stopped all traffic and warned them" statement...

So "we stopped all trafiic" has now become "I was in plain sight / own risk". Hmmmmmm. So it definitely would have been a manslaughter charge then.

[Oscar]

Carver didn't go around saying look at me look at me, but instead just let things get out on the quiet (including a leaked video) then he'd be an underground hero rather than a twit who got less than he deserved.

Exactly.....

[carver]

Yeah, I always look at the top arch before driving over the Fairfield Bridge...

a noisy trials bike sitting beside you on the start of a bridge arch...hmmm, i wonder what happens next?
lots of people saw me do it!


Ahhh so finally we get to the truth of the matter. I thought something smelt about the "we stopped all traffic and warned them" statement...

So "we stopped all trafiic" has now become "I was in plain sight / own risk". Hmmmmmm. So it definitely would have been a manslaughter charge then.

if i was so useless that i could not ride in a straight line..

the fact is the maybe's and might haves are all irrelivant cause i made it!

[smoky]

......... The difference is I didn't poke fun at plod on you tube.

There in lies the real crime


Hope they don't decide to go after those dudes doing wheelies in your mag - bit of a trade mark but in the same category don't ya think.

[BikerDazz]

If Carver didn't go around saying look at me look at me, but instead just let things get out on the quiet (including a leaked video) then he'd be an underground hero rather than a twit who got less than he deserved.

Yeah, good point.

[Big Dave]

There in lies the real crime
Hope they don't decide to go after those dudes doing wheelies in your mag - bit of a trade mark but in the same category don't ya think.

Denied! I just flicked through the May edition - the only wheelie in it is Ollie on a dirt bike. :-)

[oldrider]

Denied! I just flicked through the May edition - the only wheelie in it is Ollie on a dirt bike. :-)

I think you had best go right back through "all" the bike copies and you would have bag full of wheelies to play with!

Bike mags are always full of bikes and riders doing wheelies! (I am so over that shit)

I notice them mainly because I can no longer manage to do them and I am envious of course! :mellow:

It's normal human behaviour, we think our own excesses are OK but all the "others" are idiots! :shifty:

[Big Dave]

The Ed is over burnouts. But wheelstanding is an easy way to demonstrate the acceleration prowess of the vehicle, it's also what a % of the readers like seeing. (and some don't)

Not all, but most stunts in KR are done by accredited union member, professional stunt men, at locations they use for film work.

I'm comfortable that professionally I make due diligence that the only person that can be impacted by any tomfoolery is me - and only me.

The Publisher also has spent on safety equipment and harnesses for the camera crew and requests that we have a safety plan on every shoot, in line with OSH requirements.

I miss the the days of ad-lib loose unit-ing it. :-)

[Road-rash]

That was indeedly crazy and very epic. 3 thumbs up to you sir.

[Maha]

That was indeedly crazy and very epic. 3 thumbs up to you sir.

Were you born in Norfland?

[_Shrek_]

:niceone: for the stunt carver, is a pitty the judges have gone so pc or is that pw (pussy whooped) & boys arn't allowed to be boys anymore

ps still think you're a loud mouth :laugh:

[carver]

haha, all good man, most bins wins

[smoky]

............. But wheelstanding is an easy way to demonstrate the acceleration prowess of the vehicle

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/121660-GL145-Luxury-sport-excellent-commuter!-Priced-to-sell?p=1129712380#post1129712380

Based on that idea then this GL145 must have some awesome prowess :rofl:

[Big Dave]

It probably has good power to weight and a small enough mass so that the rider can easily effect the balance point. Indicates it would be a fun ride yes.

There are numerous big bikes that won't wheelstand unless the circumstances are staged.

[smoky]

What about a rocket
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[Big Dave]

Yea - I can wheelie a Rocket. Pretty lame ones compared to the pros though. The new Roadster is awesomenessness.

[Oscar]

Yea - I can wheelie a Rocket. Pretty lame ones compared to the pros though. The new Roadster is awesomenessness.

Sheet, even I can wheelie a Rocket.
It ain't the wheelie that's the problem, it's the landing....

[Big Dave]

Happiness is other people's steering head bearings.

[smoky]

Happiness is other people's steering head bearings.

I blew the front fork seals on my bandit

[Usarka]

I blew the front fork seals on my bandit

I thought that was ice cream.