Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

[Bangbug]

Couldn't ACC just cash in its "investments" and sort out their debts?
"Not for profit"
Unless you're on our board of directors

[Katman]

So who is ultimately responsible for all of this BS I say? Us, we are ultimately responsible.

Actually, it's the likes of you who are ultimately responsible.

Your habit of treating public roads like racetracks have finally brought the pigeons home to roost.

The rest of us can perhaps take a share of the blame for allowing you pillocks to get away with your antics.

[zeocen]

That might not be such a bad idea - imagine the congestion with cars. The comparison then with the same number of bikes surely couldn't be missed. I hate to think what Auckland traffic will be like if we all have to lose our bikes and take cars; not to mention the surge in demand for parking.....

What about the poor buggers like myself who have a motorcycle as main transport? I am *not* driving to a protest in your passenger's seat! :girlfight: :P

[jamiey]

Join in mate,
You're lucky with 600cc

I'm in. Picking up my new 900 tomorrow. Ouch:crybaby:

[grusomhat]

Maybe it's time to scrap ACC cover for motor vehicle accidents and just have a small ACC levy like $100 on rego that covered other stuff. We could then have our own private health insurance cover motor vehicle accidents.

We would then have cheaper rego. Health insurance wouldn't be too bad if it was just for motor vehicles (well and the usual other stuff) we would also be able to get NCB and the normal private insurance bonuses.


And I don't see what's wrong with holding up car drivers on their way to work for a protest. That's what they will have to deal with if people have to sell their bikes and switch to cars for commuting!

[BASS-TREBLE]

I'm in. Picking up my new 900 tomorrow. Ouch:crybaby:

Moar POWER!!!

Welcome mate

[nivram]

Nick Smith is an anus

ACC = All Cocks Cunts

[Bangbug]

Actually, it's the likes of you who are ultimately responsible.

Your habit of treating public roads like racetracks have finally brought the pigeons home to roost.

The rest of us can perhaps take a share of the blame for allowing you pillocks to get away with your antics.

Just as well we don't have KB fee's.
I'd be fine with my moped rating.
You might have to stake out a corner ;)

oh crap! my 100 post in this thread have put me up to a "fair weather rider" might have to fight you for that corner

[Dak]

Fuck the fuckers, my rego is going on hold and the plate is coming off.:ar15:

[Ptur5054]

OK I haven't read every posting on this subject, but heres my two cents worth.
Yes motorcyclists do come off worse when involved in a vehicle collision and these increaes are supposed to represent this.
We can bitch and moan as much as we like but it's going to take a lot of heat to get a mind change from ACC
So what about a no claims bonus from ACC no accidents and your premium goes down.

[Brett]

Well screw this for a joke. This is absolutely ridiculous! They were saying that on the news car acc levies subsidise us bikers...they do not recognise the fact that most of those accidents would not have occured in the first place if it were not for the damn cage drivers.
Fricken car drivers take us out, badly injure us requiring more treatment to be covered by ACC and they sting us?? Fooken hypocritical...

[cs363]

Right, email sent to local MP and copied to Messrs. Smith and Key paraphrasing many of the good points made on here.

Submission sent to ACC, including name, address and contact phone number.

BRONZ membership form downloaded to be sent tomorrow with cheque for $20(looks cheap in the overall picture, and they are going to need all the money they can get to help fight this IMO) and will encourage all bike riders I know to do the same.

Definitely keen on an organised ride on parliament, emphasis on organised as a bunch of small protests will not have the same impact as one or two huge ones. As the only national organisation likely to be able to plan and coordinate such a protest I suggest we all look to BRONZ for direction here.

One last thing, as many have said we don't need to piss off other road users but like the truckies we need to get them onside - those people that insist on referring to car drivers as 'cagers' could start by dropping that ridiculous name, especially seeing as an overwhelming proportion of motorcyclists also use own and drive cars.

My 2 cents.... (a comparatively small amount....)

[OnCam]

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7081/kiwibikerhikoiaccprotes.jpg

[Bangbug]

Who trades plates?
NOACC

[Paul in NZ]

So a clean license, no 'accidents' since mid 70s, a 30 and 40 year old classic that can only be ridden 1 at a time and are used with care and consideration lumps me into the GSXR1000 group?

Fuck me... Might be time to give it away.

[mossy1200]

When I got a tax cut I put that money away and saved it .
Turned out I saved my tax cut to pay tax.
I only get 55hp for my $750 plus road user 100 odd.Not good value.
3000ks per year is 30 cents per k.

[gunrunner]

Maybe it's time to scrap ACC cover for motor vehicle accidents and just have a small ACC levy like $100 on rego that covered other stuff. We could then have our own private health insurance cover motor vehicle accidents.

We would then have cheaper rego. Health insurance wouldn't be too bad if it was just for motor vehicles (well and the usual other stuff) we would also be able to get NCB and the normal private insurance bonuses.


And I don't see what's wrong with holding up car drivers on their way to work for a protest. That's what they will have to deal with if people have to sell their bikes and switch to cars for commuting!

Why stop there , we could be a collective . We could all fill up with the same gas company and get a discount . How many riders are there in NZ we could make this work for us yet . :clap::2thumbsup

[Swoop]

Motorcyclists need to accept that we have largely brought this shit upon ourselves.
Also, a big "thanks" for assisting them with this arse-rape. Your publicity campaign has assisted them in their decision.

I would just not register my bike however, no rego or warrant, NO INSURANCE.
The savings just continue!

Damn the bastards. Next election you pricks are toast and don't think I won't remember. I am sick to death of being blamed and persecuted for other peoples fuck ups.
Oh the irony. Remember that the billion dollar + fuck up was handed down from the liarbour morons. Remember that smiling piece of crap cullen and his inability to balance a chequebook, let alone run a finance ministry??

[Phreaky Phil]

We may have to bend over and take it but we've GOT to make some noise about it. The squeaky wheel syndrome. We're up for a ride to parliament to protest. What about car drivers. They pay 1 levy no matter how many people are in the vehicle. That aint fair !:Oi:

[Ixion]

But you don't pay an extra levy for pillions. Or sidecar passengers either, for that matter,w hich could come to as many as in a car. So it's the same.

[Katman]

BRONZ membership form downloaded to be sent tomorrow with cheque for $20(looks cheap in the overall picture, and they are going to need all the money they can get to help fight this IMO) and will encourage all bike riders I know to do the same.



Damn good idea.

As I've said in another thread, I believe that BRONZ are likely to be the only organisation with the potential to make any protest action work here.

Will do the same.

[I'm motarded]

Pack of fucking wankers..... havnt read all post (to many) but are there going to be any plans to protest? like a mass ride to Parliment grounds or as a few post sugest block some traffic.. now i'm keen on this

[mossy1200]

You guys miss the point.They are not just trying to cover future accidents they are mostly trying to find 4.8b and have targeted us to start with.We are the moderate minority to hit first.

[Katman]

Also, a big "thanks" for assisting them with this arse-rape. Your publicity campaign has assisted them in their decision.



What a load of shit.

:tugger:

[sleemanj]

Fuck the fuckers, my rego is going on hold and the plate is coming off.:ar15:

Leave the plate on. Nobody will notice you have no reg if the plate is there, if there is no plate, the cops will say "ulllo, why you got no plate then sonny" and check your details.

Do not park on the street, councils far more likely to do you for reg so don't let em near you.

[grusomhat]

Damn good idea.

As I've said in another thread, I believe that BRONZ are likely to be the only organisation with the potential to make any protest action work here.

Will do the same.

Will certainly be looking at helping out BRONZ but will be waiting until after next weeks meeting to see what their plan is, if indeed they do have one.

[Ixion]

I happend to notice a wee GN250 parked up yesterday. I've seen it before, it's obviously a daily commuter.

Tucked up by the steering head, was a rego label. Expired 2001.

I was intrigued enough to check out Carjam. Yep, on exemption since 2001.

He who runs may rede

[Bangbug]

"ACC’s $10 billion investment portfolio"
So ACC has (it's been a recession and the stockmarket pooed itself) 10 billion dollars. Where did they get THAT money?
WHAT are they going to DO with THAT money.
Have a recession and all of a sudden we've got to pay more, i think perhaps they just FUCKED their investments and WE have to COVER that shit.
I'm going to fuck myself before they pop my cherry!
BEND BABY BENNNND!

[PrincessBandit]

A little bird has whispered to me, that one of the prime movers behind tehse increases has been our dear friends the AA. I'd believe that.

F'instance
Maybe a suitable target for protest?

So it's because of our RISK factor rather than real facts. I still can't get my head around the far higher stats for various professions, yet where is their fee?


One thing that doesn't make any sense is that they are CURRENTLY collecting more in levies than what they are paying out ... so why the need for any increase in the first place ???

Because it's to cover costs projected into the future, not just what's being paid for here and now.


What about the poor buggers like myself who have a motorcycle as main transport? I am *not* driving to a protest in your passenger's seat! :girlfight: :P

Be like that then! I love you too. Do I smell funny or something? lol.


Damn good idea.

As I've said in another thread, I believe that BRONZ are likely to be the only organisation with the potential to make any protest action work here.

Will do the same.

Yep, downloaded and will do the same.

[jimbo600]

We may have to bend over and take it but we've GOT to make some noise about it. The squeaky wheel syndrome. We're up for a ride to parliament to protest. What about car drivers. They pay 1 levy no matter how many people are in the vehicle. That aint fair !:Oi:

True. Lets walk hikoi style across the harbour bridge cos we sure as shit can't afford to ride across anymore.

These new proposals are just plain ridiculous. I for one will not pay that for rego. I'll either just ride without it, give biking away completely, or just use it for track use. Either way ACC will dip out. I'm guessing most other bikers will feel the same way.

[shrub]

"The steepest levy hikes are for drivers of large motorcycles.

All motorcycles currently pay $252.69 in levies. Under the changes, while bikes under 125CC face only an increase of a few dollars, larger motorcycles will pay far heftier amounts.

For example: 126-600cc: increases from $252.69 to $511.43 (102 per cent increase).

601 plus cc: increases from $252.69 to $745.77."

Ouch. I think I might can the idea of getting another bike.

[davebullet]

Since we might get fines for parking considerately on the footpath in wellington, I may as well not pay my rego and park in a parking building with me $750+ per annum.

How about we all get together to fund a license sticker counterfeiting machine?

[cs363]

Damn good idea.

As I've said in another thread, I believe that BRONZ are likely to be the only organisation with the potential to make any protest action work here.

Will do the same.

I think if everyone on here takes the same action (1. Email or letter to your MP, cc'd to Nick Smith & John Key 2. Submission to ACC via email or letter (remembering to include you full name, address and contact phone number) and 3. Joins BRONZ (What's $20 when you could save hundreds?) and participates in any properly organised protest.
We could have a shot at making a difference here.

Now, there's almost 17,000 KB members even if we take off a few thousand who aren't active that's a lot of people, then if each of them inspires one or two friends to do the same that's a serious amount of people, that should certainly attract media attention and hopefully make a difference - even if it is only to knock the rego fee down to the $500 or so some people reckon will be the real target cost.

Or, do nothing and pay the price. Your call people.

Side effect would also be to dramatically swell the membership of BRONZ and possibly create a much stronger voice against any future meddling with our beloved bikes.

[JohnR]

"Motorcycle levies

Within the motor vehicle levy changes (summarised in the above table) ACC is proposing major changes to motorcycle levies to take into account the fact that for several years, car drivers have been subsidising motorcycle and moped riders.
The new levies reflect the fact that motorcycle riders are 16 times more likely to be involved in a road crash than any other road users and are far more likely to be seriously injured. In 2008/09 ACC paid more than $62 million for motorcycle riders but collected only $12.3 million in levies from them.
Even with the significant proposed increases in the rates payable by motorcycle and moped drivers to redress this imbalance, car drivers will still continue to subsidise motorcycle and moped drivers by $77 a year for the 2010/2011 year.
‘The proposed legislative change to extend the full funding date to 2019 would reduce the effect of residual claims on motor vehicle levies by $100,’ said Mr Judge. ‘However, whether or not this translates into an equivalent reduction in those levies will depend on how best to fund the account fully over the next 10 years. This is something the Board must determine.’
The proposals also change the categories for mopeds and motorcycles, by grouping mopeds and motorcycles together and introducing three sub-classes for 0-125 cc, 126-600 cc and 601+ cc cycles."


The most disturbing word in this missive is "likely"... This, to me, suggests interpretation of chosen statistics rather than use of actual facts.

Yes i know, politicians and civil servants do this all the time. But surely this is reason enough for us to feel aggrieved and hard done by?

[mossy1200]

Lets say that high rego costs will devalue our bikes.Correct?

Is it fair to say we should all lodge claim each in small claims court against government for lost money due excessive registration costs.

10,000 small claims appearances will show them the finger.Even if every claim is lost think of the headache for them.

[Pampera]

'“What you’ve got here is a recognition that motorcycling, in terms of ACC, is a very high risk, and the injuries are severe because you are exposed on a motorcycle,” says Mike Noon from the Automobile Association.'

This should not be news to any motorcyclist but emphasises why you should not be a member of the AA. This is what your subscription is used for - supporting this levy increase. I quit some years ago.

[Harvd]

Man u should have been here about 4 hours ago. You missed out

[Danae]

I think if everyone on here takes the same action (1. Email or letter to your MP, cc'd to Nick Smith & John Key 2. Submission to ACC via email or letter (remembering to include you full name, address and contact phone number) and 3. Joins BRONZ (What's $20 when you could save hundreds?) and participates in any properly organised protest.
We could have a shot at making a difference here.

1 + 2 already done. I guess we're all looking to BRONZ now.

[Bangbug]

'“What you’ve got here is a recognition that motorcycling, in terms of ACC, is a very high risk, and the injuries are severe because you are exposed on a motorcycle,” says Mike Noon from the Automobile Association.'

This should not be news to any motorcyclist but emphasises why you should not be a member of the AA. This is what your subscription is used for - supporting this levy increase. I quit some years ago.

OMG did you SEE that FUCKING ARSEHOLE smiling when he was saying that?

[cs363]

Lets say that high rego costs will devalue our bikes.Correct?

Is it fair to say we should all lodge claim each in small claims court against government for lost money due excessive registration costs.

10,000 small claims appearances will show them the finger.Even if every claim is lost think of the headache for them.

Hmm....I like your thinking! :)
Or maybe BRONZ could take the government to court in some sort of representative action on behalf of all members? (yet another reason to spend that $20...)

And FWIW (for the knockers), I'm not a BRONZ member at present and never have been - but I strongly believe if we are to have any effect on this proposal we need a unified approach.

[gtr boy]

all this talk about ACC is keeping the bikini thread at bay................


but seriously...ive submitted

[ZephyrMark2]

"ACC’s $10 billion investment portfolio"
So ACC has (it's been a recession and the stockmarket pooed itself) 10 billion dollars. Where did they get THAT money?
WHAT are they going to DO with THAT money.
Have a recession and all of a sudden we've got to pay more, i think perhaps they just FUCKED their investments and WE have to COVER that shit.
I'm going to fuck myself before they pop my cherry!
BEND BABY BENNNND!

Hey.. one of their failed investments is the shopping mall in Papamoa.. it's on the market for $16m...

Anyone keen to buy they're shit arsed failed attempt at a shopping mall?

[cs363]

'“What you’ve got here is a recognition that motorcycling, in terms of ACC, is a very high risk, and the injuries are severe because you are exposed on a motorcycle,” says Mike Noon from the Automobile Association.'

This should not be news to any motorcyclist but emphasises why you should not be a member of the AA. This is what your subscription is used for - supporting this levy increase. I quit some years ago.


OMG did you SEE that FUCKING ARSEHOLE smiling when he was saying that?

Oh...and I forgot - 4. If you are a member of the AA, and/or have insurance through them CANCEL IT NOW and demand a refund of any remaining membership/insurance stating the reason that they are actively anti motorcycling.
Hit the wankers in the pocket!

[rocketman1]

Mr ACC says HMMM Im gonna get these bastards bikers (BB) I need more money.

Simple, double the levies...what will this actually do though.
Firstly less (BB) will get their bikes registered, say 40-50% would look at 6 month only or not at all. What has this achieved? no more money for the my ACC bank, Oh BUGGER,..........
Well maybe less ACC payouts as less (BB) riding, not many though as most people will ride unregistered, Oh BUGGER,.......hey but it they the (BB) do that its against the law....(you just watch em eh eh).
HMMMM If the (BB) are not registered they probably wont be warranted either and which will create other safety issues.... more acc payouts.... Oh..BUGGER
Well we will just have get the police to catch the (BB) with no rego and WOF, HMMM but.........some (BB) wont stop and there may be more police chases, oh no! more police chase accidents...more ACC payouts.... (BB) won again.

HMMM maybe some of these 50cc (BB) will get off their Bastard bikes and ride pushbikes...oh BUGGER....no that wont work, too many cyclists on the Auckland waterfront their getting run over like hedge hogs at the moment.
more ACC payouts... BUGGER

Hey what if we dont pay ACC to any biker that has an accident, oh that would be mean, What about all the snow skiers and rugby players, and league players, and thousands of other sports persons that fill A&E each Saturday afternoon...yeah but they arent (BB) are they. No cant do this... to racist HMMM

Maybe if we say we are going to put it up to $750 then after all the fuss has been made we reduce it back to say $550 then it wont look that bad, and the (BB) wont revolt, and cause chaos (BB) protest rides, then we will be the good guys,yeah lets do that.

HMMM also, maybe we will have to do this now well before the next elections, cant have 200,000 (BB) voting Labour now can we..

[grusomhat]

Once this threads been going for a week, someone needs to print it out, kidnap the minister and force him to read it! Muahaha

[BozoNightmare]

'“What you’ve got here is a recognition that motorcycling, in terms of ACC, is a very high risk, and the injuries are severe because you are exposed on a motorcycle,” says Mike Noon from the Automobile Association.'

This should not be news to any motorcyclist but emphasises why you should not be a member of the AA. This is what your subscription is used for - supporting this levy increase. I quit some years ago.

Yeah, I'm cancelling my membership tomorrow. WTF all motorists together!?!

[Pampera]

Here is the Automobile Association position on the matter:

http://www.aa.co.nz/about/issues/road-safety/Pages/Motorcyclists-and-motorists.aspx

Any of you who are members should voice your concerns as to, after taking your subscription money, how well they are looking after your interests as a member, make as many call outs as you can, get as many free maps as possible and then quit when your subscription next comes due. In my view you certainly should consider not insuring (anything) with AA insurance or supporting any of their financial products.

Pass it on.

[Ms Piggy]

For example: 126-600cc: increases from $252.69 to $511.43 (102 per cent increase).
Jesus H Christ!! It just about brings me to tears to be honest....

[cs363]

all this talk about ACC is keeping the bikini thread at bay................

Oops...sorry, my bad.

Fixed now... :lol:

[jimbo600]

Lets say that high rego costs will devalue our bikes.Correct?

Is it fair to say we should all lodge claim each in small claims court against government for lost money due excessive registration costs.

10,000 small claims appearances will show them the finger.Even if every claim is lost think of the headache for them.

I was thinking the same thing. Surely some smart lawyer type on KB could clarify.

[grusomhat]

Here is the Automobile Association position on the matter:

http://www.aa.co.nz/about/issues/road-safety/Pages/Motorcyclists-and-motorists.aspx

Any of you who are members should voice your concerns as to, after taking your subscription money, how well they are looking after your interests as a member, make as many call outs as you can, get as many free maps as possible and then quit when your subscription next comes due. In my view you certainly should consider not insuring (anything) with AA insurance or supporting any of their financial products.

Pass it on.

Well I'll be fucked! I'm going in sometime to get me some maps. Someone should start a thread urging people to reconsider their AA memberships.

[cs363]

Here is the Automobile Association position on the matter:

http://www.aa.co.nz/about/issues/road-safety/Pages/Motorcyclists-and-motorists.aspx

Any of you who are members should voice your concerns as to, after taking your subscription money, how well they are looking after your interests as a member, make as many call outs as you can, get as many free maps as possible and then quit when your subscription next comes due. In my view you certainly should consider not insuring (anything) with AA insurance or supporting any of their financial products.

Pass it on.



And the c#ck suckers (Katman TM) have the gall to have this at the bottom of that page with a link to their insurance site!:

Learn more about the benefits of AA Motorcycle Insurance. Linky removed to protect you from the money grubbing hypocrites!

[Danae]

Here is the Automobile Association position on the matter:

http://www.aa.co.nz/about/issues/road-safety/Pages/Motorcyclists-and-motorists.aspx

Any of you who are members should voice your concerns as to, after taking your subscription money, how well they are looking after your interests as a member, make as many call outs as you can, get as many free maps as possible and then quit when your subscription next comes due. In my view you certainly should consider not insuring (anything) with AA insurance or supporting any of their financial products.

Pass it on.

I'm not an AA member but my dad signed me up for the insurance. Fuck. That. I'm gonna go hunting for some proper motorcycle insurance (Go Lightly anyone?)

[Damon]

HOLY SHIT!!

I'll be at the BRONZ meeting, you've gotta at least buy me dinner and tell me i'm pretty before you can fuck me in the ass :mad:

[cs363]

I'm not an AA member but my dad signed me up for the insurance. Fuck. That. I'm gonna go hunting for some proper motorcycle insurance (Go Lightly anyone?)

Go fucking anywhere...else.. :lol: (Excuse the French, still pissed off!)

[chrispy121]

"Motorcycle levies

Within the motor vehicle levy changes (summarised in the above table) ACC is proposing major changes to motorcycle levies to take into account the fact that for several years, car drivers have been subsidising motorcycle and moped riders.
The new levies reflect the fact that motorcycle riders are 16 times more likely to be involved in a road crash than any other road users and are far more likely to be seriously injured. In 2008/09 ACC paid more than $62 million for motorcycle riders but collected only $12.3 million in levies from them.
Even with the significant proposed increases in the rates payable by motorcycle and moped drivers to redress this imbalance, car drivers will still continue to subsidise motorcycle and moped drivers by $77 a year for the 2010/2011 year.
‘The proposed legislative change to extend the full funding date to 2019 would reduce the effect of residual claims on motor vehicle levies by $100,’ said Mr Judge. ‘However, whether or not this translates into an equivalent reduction in those levies will depend on how best to fund the account fully over the next 10 years. This is something the Board must determine.’
The proposals also change the categories for mopeds and motorcycles, by grouping mopeds and motorcycles together and introducing three sub-classes for 0-125 cc, 126-600 cc and 601+ cc cycles."


The most disturbing word in this missive is "likely"... This, to me, suggests interpretation of chosen statistics rather than use of actual facts.

Yes i know, politicians and civil servants do this all the time. But surely this is reason enough for us to feel aggrieved and hard done by?

they paid out over 40 million to rugby players but we dont see them having to put up any more money oh the govt is also giving them more money to fund the world cup perhaps that money should go to fund the acc deficiet

[chrispy121]

perheps a rugby uniform is better than leathers then we can say we were playing rugby and a bike fell out of the sky and flattened me

[mossy1200]

I was thinking the same thing. Surely some smart lawyer type on KB could clarify.

Im thinking if the claim is lodged then they must appear.thats 10000 appearances if we do one each.

[BladeBoy]

yep fuck those guys who sit in a office and make rules. i bet no one at the acc ride. im up for a good protest. my bike is my only form of transport as i dont like cars but i cant afford to pay 500 just for rego, by the time you add in insurance, wof, 1 set of tyres,1 set of chain and sprockets, 2 oil changes etc your looking at $2000 a year just to keep a 250. id hate to imagine how much more its going to hurt you guys on the bigger bikes.

[Bangbug]

they paid out over 40 million to rugby players but we dont see them having to put up any more money oh the govt is also giving them more money to fund the world cup perhaps that money should go to fund the acc deficiet

Free to air MOTO GP & WSBK for the year would be cheaper than the world cup.
That'd be sweet

[sleemanj]

Im thinking if the claim is lodged then they must appear.thats 10000 appearances if we do one each.

To lodge the claim, you need to detail the dispute, what exactly are you and the government disputing.

I expect you would not be permitted to lodge the dispute at all. And all you'll succeed in doing is ticking off tribunal administrative staff.

And you probably have forgotten there is a cost involved anyway.

[chrispy121]

Free to air MOTO GP & WSBK for the year would be cheaper than the world cup.
That'd be sweet

yep then I can cancil my sky sport subscription any put that money toward the new levie problem solved

[mossy1200]

News at 10.30 is going to spell out the acc hike on our incomes to add some hurt and they are talking well into the hundreds each per year plus 4cents more on petrol plus extra on cars.Im expecting my wife and I will be down 1.5-2g per year.

[rosie631]

Its fucking bullshit. I for one will be riding with a WOF and reg on hold permanently. I refuse to fucking pay that shit.

Yep, me too mate. Just been through my bike insurance policy with a fine tooth comb and no mention of bike having to be registered. Bike and car rego both due to expire in the next couple of weeks and they are BOTH going on hold.
ACC CAN GO AND FUCK THEMSELVES

And Katman or anyone else, if you're about to make a sanctimonious remark about people not paying their reg and still being covered by ACC - call the Waaambulance, when I'm given the option of finding my own ACC cover i will do so, but I refuse to pay these exorbitant compulsory levies.

[rosie631]

Oh, btw for anyone intending not to register their vehicles make sure you put the rego on hold. Otherwise, if you ever do re register the pricks will want their back dated pound of flesh.

[Insanity_rules]

Did ya see the news? http://www.3news.co.nz/ACC-costs-up-cover-down/tabid/370/articleID/125426/cat/100/Default.aspx We need to protest and hard!

[6ft5]

this is outrageous, if they need the money put it on those that spend time on the road through petrol, not on rego

[craisin]

the first accident I had on my moped i got knocked off by a car with the wrong plates on and the did the runner while my leg was trapped under my bent machine.
I had to ride the bent machine home cause i was skint and too sore to walk

WINZ wouldnt lend me the money to go to the doctors so it took me 5 days to get to the doctors and I had to go back the next week before they discovered my tailbone was fractured.

I get stuff all off ACC and if I pay more money Im sure I will get less

I put my reg on hold before this latest news about increase

[peasea]

Did ya see the news? http://www.3news.co.nz/ACC-costs-up-cover-down/tabid/370/articleID/125426/cat/100/Default.aspx We need to protest and hard!

What do you (or anyone else for that matter) suggest we do? A ride to Welly, en masse? They'll laugh in our faces. They're already laughing at us actually.

[6ft5]

Got hit by a guy in a car that lost a trailer, why is this attributable to a bikers accident...bastard got off in court as well !!!! I AM FURIOUS

[craisin]

this is outrageous, if they need the money put it on those that spend time on the road through petrol, not on rego

yeah right good idea

and Im picking they are thinking of putting gas up next

[Bangbug]

Can anyone please fabricate me a small aero engine test best to fit onto the back of my bike (in place of the pillion seat) small as you can to fit say.... a model aircraft engine.
Then I don't have to pay for road registration.
Or perhaps an electrical substation.... just make it small and permanent and problem solved.

[Bangbug]

Got hit by a guy in a car that lost a trailer, why is this attributable to a bikers accident...bastard got off in court as well !!!! I AM FURIOUS

NAME and SHAME brother.

[Danae]

My rego expires in January, the levy changes aren't due to take effect til February they say (whatever decision they come to). Depending on their decision I'll either pay the rego or get my WOF and put my rego on hold.

[BMWST?]

A little bird has whispered to me, that one of the prime movers behind tehse increases has been our dear friends the AA. I'd believe that.

F'instance



Maybe a suitable target for protest?

esp since motorcyclists are also AA members

[BladeBoy]

How much are COPS going to be DOCKED? How much did it cost for those 2 poor bastards HE decided to do a U-TURN infront of?

good point. the bikes would of been blamed for that tho aye. just to make the acc stats look better. assholes

[Insanity_rules]

What do you (or anyone else for that matter) suggest we do? A ride to Welly, en masse? They'll laugh in our faces. They're already laughing at us actually.

Lets see em laugh when we disrupt traffic enough. Mobilize in the largest numbers we can and hold up peak hour times as much as possible. Back in the old country we murdered prime ministers for less.

[cs363]

yeah right good idea

and Im picking they are thinking of putting gas up next

That's part of the proposed changes - the ACC levy content of fuel will also rise as I understand it. We're being screwed from all angles. :mad:

[ready4whatever]

This thread has got to be record breaking, well over 11,000 views in a couple hours. Im gonna tell my grand kids about this thread.

[rustic101]

I'm not an AA member but my dad signed me up for the insurance. Fuck. That. I'm gonna go hunting for some proper motorcycle insurance (Go Lightly anyone?)

I am with Go Lightly as AA would only insure me at a cost that was the budget of a small country plus my left nut as security.. I have written to them to express my concern about their lack of knowledge and inaccurate data around bikes and said that if they do not support me) a motorcyclists I will remove all of my insurances. In the process of getting quotes now.

Not holding my breath but they can go and get a big hairy dog up them, like ACC, Dr Nick SMITH and anyone else that wants to bend us over and pump us up the bum...

[6ft5]

how do we get our hands on some real statistics, something that is going to standup and has solid ground, that should work for starters, like the rugby injuries, the real cause of motorcycle accidents etc. Does anyone have an angle on this?

[6ft5]

another question is why is it that bikes with bigger engines need to pay more? Are we likely to be hit faster or easier or should we look at inexperienced riders and @#$%cagers? MAN I AM ANGRY ABOUT THIS

[Bangbug]

This thread has got to be record breaking, well over 11,000 views in a couple hours. Im gonna tell my grand kids about this thread.

I would love to believe you'll be able to afford grand kids... let along kids to breed them in the first place.
Kids are BLOODY accident prone, and you know what that's going to mean for parents!

[Taz]

Im gonna tell my grand kids about this thread.

And they'll say "grandad, what's a motorcycle?"

[mad.mike]

another point! why don't they charge the owners of bigger cars more?

[6ft5]

good point, so from another angle, bikers are more green in their CO2 output, take less space to park, congest the road less, and this is all relatively indepenent on the engine size. Still we get penalised !!!! RUBBISH THINKING GOVERNMENT !!!!!!!

[Danae]

And they'll say "grandad, what's a motorcycle?"

That's a sad thought :weep:

SUV-driving mothers should pay more levy!

[Toasttsaot]

I have just pissed the wife off by ignoring her and surfing these halowed forums looking fot the date and time of the protest ride.... Is it on or not? Anyone? So fugged off by this I will even get out the Hitler bike for a protest scratch! Comon BRONZ, sort something out (the cheque is in the mail)

[6ft5]

We need to mobilise al motorcycle clubs and immobilise the capital for a week or so to create sense into the policy makers !!!

[peasea]

Lets see em laugh when we disrupt traffic enough. Mobilize in the largest numbers we can and hold up peak hour times as much as possible. Back in the old country we murdered prime ministers for less.

And so you should........

BOT>

It's been (sensibly) suggested that multiple, regional protest rides would be more effective in making a point. One day in Welly is great but protest rides up and down both islands (simultaneously or not) would attract bigger numbers overall. Not everyone can get time away for a trip to Welly but the same people would most likely attend a local ride. (There is also the cost factor for non-Wellingtonians, especially Mainlanders.)

Regional protest ride anyone? Our MP is none other than Nick Smith, I'd love to gridlock his patch for a few hours on a Friday night.

Pick a date, I'll be there.

[mad.mike]

That's a sad thought :weep:

SUV-driving mothers should pay more levy!

Very sad.

However this would upset a majority....govenment can't do that...

[Insanity_rules]

And so you should........

BOT>

It's been (sensibly) suggested that multiple, regional protest rides would be more effective in making a point. One day in Welly is great but protest rides up and down both islands (simultaneously or not) would attract bigger numbers overall. Not everyone can get time away for a trip to Welly but the same people would most likely attend a local ride. (There is also the cost factor for non-Wellingtonians, especially Mainlanders.)

Regional protest ride anyone? Our MP is none other than Nick Smith, I'd love to gridlock his patch for a few hours on a Friday night.

Pick a date, I'll be there.

I agree, I'm in!

[6ft5]

And so you should........

BOT>

It's been (sensibly) suggested that multiple, regional protest rides would be more effective in making a point. One day in Welly is great but protest rides up and down both islands (simultaneously or not) would attract bigger numbers overall. Not everyone can get time away for a trip to Welly but the same people would most likely attend a local ride. (There is also the cost factor for non-Wellingtonians, especially Mainlanders.)

Regional protest ride anyone? Our MP is none other than Nick Smith, I'd love to gridlock his patch for a few hours on a Friday night.

Pick a date, I'll be there.

Count me in !

[sunhuntin]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=21328

biker acc thread on tardme.

[Mokadah]

http://mercuriuspoliticus.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/down-with-this-sort-of-thing1.jpg?w=387&h=365

[peasea]

I agree, I'm in!

Thank you sir.

We should have a central place to post suggested dates for each region. The evenings are getting longer, the weather is (supposed to be) getting more like summer; so would we want to do this now while the spotlight of the media can be exploited? I really think it should happen before Christmas.

(Or perhaps on the last late shopping night before Christmas, that'd create havoc.)

[peasea]

Count me in !

Where? When?

[Bangbug]

good point, so from another angle, bikers are more green in their CO2 output, take less space to park, congest the road less, and this is all relatively indepenent on the engine size. Still we get penalised !!!! RUBBISH THINKING GOVERNMENT !!!!!!!

and the pathetic amount of damage we do to roads... i think we could all ride doing burnouts all year and make the roads BETTER not WORSE with some fine rubber layed down.
How many times around a corner would it take for a bike to ruin a corner? (flaking, braking bumps, corrugations)
It's not even relative to our fuel consumption as we probably use more fuel vs weight. (damn air resistance)
Less parking required. less width of road required. less maintenance of narrower roads required, no need to make straight bridges or cut through hills and fill in valleys for straight roads, no need for public transport subsidies.
Surprised I don't take off, i'm full of hot air

[6ft5]

somehow this needs to be coordinated such that it creates maximum impact - we need to come up with a consolidated submission to the ACC CHairman and the minister

[Smokin Joe]

Yesterday I rode the GSX14 over to Tauranga. I came back to Rotorua via the Welcome Bay road. On one particular corner large chunks of tarseal was all ridged up. It is an accident waiting to happen. In this day of liability who gets fined for the accident or would the biker who falls off, get a careless riding charge and statistically single bike accident on a corner?

User pays. "I don't fall off or have accidents" says he touching as much wood as he can find.

I am up for a protest, ride on parliament or the likes sounds good.

Please keep me posted.

Regards to all,

Smokin Joe.

[waspnz]

This is wrong wrong wrong. I've emailed both ACC and N. Smith....happy to turn up to a protest somewhere etc etc.......:headbang:

[BMWST?]

A no-fault Scheme means that everyone receives cover as specified in the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Act 2001, regardless of who or what 'caused' an injury.
Levies are set having consideration to the level of risk that a particular group bears (as determined by injury involvement). In the case of work injuries, the 'group' an employer is in depends on the industry; while on the road, the 'group' a motorist is in depends on the type of vehicle and its use.
It is the cost of claims in the 'group' which is the basis of the levy for the group, not who is at fault or causes the accident.

this argument is flawed.Motorcylists are the only "group" who can be injured through no fault of their own by actions of ANOTHER group.We can and should be responsible for the costs asscociated with accidents "within" our group.Injuries caused BY ANOTHER GROUP can and should be carried BY THAT GROUP

[cs363]

Thank you sir.

We should have a central place to post suggested dates for each region. The evenings are getting longer, the weather is (supposed to be) getting more like summer; so would we want to do this now while the spotlight of the media can be exploited? I really think it should happen before Christmas.

(Or perhaps on the last late shopping night before Christmas, that'd create havoc.)

It really needs to happen before November 10th to have any real effect as that's when the submissions close (unless they would be likely to change anything after that? Unlikely I think..)
Regional rides are a good idea for those that can't make Wellington, though a ride on Parliament would certainly get the media machine working, perhaps a petition organised in conjunction with each regional ride and then all copies presented to the Minister/PM at the culmination of a ride to Parliament, with BRONZ coordinating the whole thing?

[JATZ]

Where? When?

Keep me posted... p.m;s prolly best
I'd like to give that pompous pratt Nick Smith a piece of my mind, and a sz 12 to the face, but that wouldn't help aye

[ukusa]

Our MP is none other than Nick Smith, I'd love to gridlock his patch for a few hours on a Friday night.

Pick a date, I'll be there.

I'd like to gridlock his face!:mad:

[GOONR]

somehow this needs to be coordinated such that it creates maximum impact - we need to come up with a consolidated submission to the ACC CHairman and the minister

Totally agree, consolidated submission and well organised protest rides. I would guess that it needs to be done soon though, the media is watching right now!

[steve_t]

another point! why don't they charge the owners of bigger cars more?

Soon it'll be owners of cars that don't have 5 star ANCAP safety ratings paying more

[saffa]

:Oi: I'm not normally one to express my views on blogs, but I'll be fuck if I'm going keep quiet about this insane increase in ACC levies, it's is madness! I'm just fishing for ideas here but I think we should organise a massive ride / get together and somehow get the government’s attention and try and stop them from going ahead with this increase.

I am normally the first to organise people to go on fund raisers for cancer, Special children in need, Westpac helicopter etc, but I think all the charity shown by bikers will come to a screeching halt if we have to pay $700 per year on this crap :Playnice:

They say that other people on the road is substituting us bikers with about $70, fair enough, increase our levies by $70 or even $100 not bloody $500!!!!!

I think we should do something, I’m open for ideas which doesn’t involve breaking the law but that will a huge impact and get the government’s attention, maybe we should do what the truck drivers did and hold up traffic on the motorway or the main cities or something!!!!!!!!

If we sit back and do nothing they will do this to us again and again and again!!!

[Bangbug]

A no-fault Scheme means that everyone receives cover as specified in the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Act 2001, regardless of who or what 'caused' an injury.
Levies are set having consideration to the level of risk that a particular group bears (as determined by injury involvement). In the case of work injuries, the 'group' an employer is in depends on the industry; while on the road, the 'group' a motorist is in depends on the type of vehicle and its use.
It is the cost of claims in the 'group' which is the basis of the levy for the group, not who is at fault or causes the accident.

this argument is flawed.Motorcylists are the only "group" who can be injured through no fault of their own by actions of ANOTHER group.We can and should be responsible for the costs asscociated with accidents "within" our group.Injuries caused BY ANOTHER GROUP can and should be carried BY THAT GROUP

It's flawed more fundamentally than that.
You can't have more risk by being in a "group".
It's not your fault for being in a "group". (if it IS your fault then it's not a no-fault scheme is it)
No fault.
No group.
If only logic ruled the world. Then ACC would implode in a "poof" of logical implosion. :)

[-BW-]

Hi Im new. Just jumping on the bandwagon of outrage like everyone else. I have been sending emails, to acc, as well as the prime minister. These are my main points ;

1. You cannot ride more than one motorcycle at a time. WHY do I have to pay my ACC Levy more than once when I own more than one bike? Why is the ACC levy not attached to the person via licensing or insurance?

2. Classifying Fees by engine capacity is completely ridiculous! Motorcyclists travel to the same speed limits! Riders of smaller capacity bikes are not regarded more protection than larger bikes and will suffer the same injuries as any other! Engine size HAS NO RELEVANCE WHATSOEVER on a riders ability to ride safely, the likelhood/frequency of accidents or the injuries that result! This is also completely inconsistent with drivers paying the same fees regardless of the type of vehicle they drive.

3. Lastly, I will not be paying these fees until it is changed. I will defend my actions in court if necessary. This is unjust and unfair.

yeah I know Im preaching to the preachers.. but aren't we all?

[Danae]

What about charity rides like the Westpac ride and the pink ribbon ride? With an ACC levy like that the number of riders showing up to these things is bound to decrease...

[ready4whatever]

another point! why don't they charge the owners of bigger cars more?

Yeah i'll say man. I see guys in 5 litre holdens doing a whole lot more damage to the road + way more fuel used. i know its not about road wearing its about accidents but i thought bigger cc's on a car would mean more accidents, gotta remember about the turbo i guess. (makes a 2litre car fuckin fast) .so lets turbo our bikes and get around this

[Mort]

This is so unfair. I own two bikes and no way does it double my risk of accident. jesus - $1500 per year !!!

Bastards.... fucking bastards

[Biggles41]

How to make a submission

To make a submission, you need to write to us advising us what you think. As well as commenting on the proposed levy changes for the year, you can comment on all aspects of the ACC Scheme.

Your submission must include:

* Your name

* Your address

* Your contact phone number(s)

No point sitting around complaining, time to drag bum off couch and do something. Heres what I've written feel free to add borrow or whatever, I have not submitted this yet, group comments are welcome - good luck everyone..

RE: ACC Levy’s for motorcyclists
To whom it may concern.
I was astounded this evening to learn via the media that the proposed ACC Levy’s for motorcyclist are to be raised to such a high level, a level that has the motorcycle community uttering such things as, extortion, robbery, as well as a lot of expletives that would be counter - productive to this submission.

The general feeling is that motorcyclist’s are being unfairly singled out and there are arguments about car drivers causing most motorcycle accidents by not seeing the oncoming motorcyclists and so on and so forth. You would have heard these arguments before so I’m not going to digress down that line of thought.

Different tariffs based on a motorcycles engine size also raises many arguments. I live in Dunedin a student city and regularly observe students on small scooters weaving in and out of traffic wearing, jandals, shorts and T-shirts.

I’m a motorcyclists that rides a 1000cc 100 horse power motorcycle, but there are 600cc motorcycles that have more horse power than my 1000cc 100 horse power machine.

I spend money on the machine to ensure it is maintained to a high standard of safety, I wear a quality helmet, gloves, boots jacket and trousers with Kevlar linings, and even though the government just recently passed a law so that all motorcyclists ride with the headlight on during day, myself and many other motorcyclists have actually been doing just that for years past.

I have a family a mortgage and a cat, and I work damn hard for my money, and I am quite frankly not in the position to pay this amount of money and I will not.

The only options that are open to myself and many others is to either.
• Register for 12 months and be poorer.
• Register for 3 months of the year and risk a fine for the other 9 months.
• Register for 6 months of the year and risk a fine for the other 6 months.
• Not Register at all and risk a fine for 12 months.

Riding in a group will raise the risk of an accident to a degree, but it also lowers the risk of police fines.


You can send your submission:

By post:
Levy Consultation
ACC
PO Box 242
Wellington 6140

By fax:
04 918 4395

By email:
consultation@acc.co.nz

The deadline for submissions is 5.00 pm, 10 November 2009

[Fluffy Cat]

I think the right honourable Nick Smith has a come meet the man caravan at the Saturday market in Nelson sometimes. If I am right. Could be a good place to start. Angry but polite would be the way to go. Could form a queue.

[gunnyrob]

Fuck me, there I was writing letters to the editor of AA magazine to give them a rocket for wanting bikers to pay tolls through the northern gateway tunnel last week.

Letter to Nick Smith sent, will attend BRONZ meeting next Wed.

[cs363]

Fuck me, there I was writing letters to the editor of AA magazine to give them a rocket for wanting bikers to pay tolls through the northern gateway tunnel last week.

:laugh: Yeah...that's starting to look like a bit of a storm in a teacup now isn't it?
Bloody AA certainly seems to have it in for motorcyclists at the moment, pricks.

[325rocket]

What about charity rides like the Westpac ride and the pink ribbon ride? With an ACC levy like that the number of riders showing up to these things is bound to decrease...

I think you will find it wont make a difference. Most of the people that attend those rides do so because they care and are good people. The same people will go, we will just be poorer ... and very anti national!

but i get what your saying.

[Bangbug]

Fuck me, there I was writing letters to the editor of AA magazine to give them a rocket for wanting bikers to pay tolls through the northern gateway tunnel last week.

Letter to Nick Smith sent, will attend BRONZ meeting next Wed.

Mate got billed for his rally car on the toll road...... it was on a trailer....... guilty till proven innocent

[Pedrostt500]

Maybe its time for the ACC books to be fully opened to the public.
I will from now on be making every ACC claim that I can, rather than ignoring small injuries.
These rises dont just affect us as riders, but the whole motorcycle industry, all the way to the top. If there are bike shops doing it hard now they will be closed for good after this is implimented, So off road guys this will affect you to.
I geuss we should have figured something was up with all the anti-Motorcycle articals that have been coming out, over the last few months, particurly those around crash statistics.
So my geuss is their next move will be to try and write us off as a bunch of wingers and spoilt brats, and try to get us off side with the general public, we will be assulted with more anti motorcycle articals in the medias, the Police will be given the directive to do more Motorcycle REG & WOF checks, and you can garantee the fines for not having either will go up accordingly.

[ready4whatever]

Tried finding out where this cunt lives, no wonder its a PO box. give him a call tomorrow 03-547 2314

[saffa]

I think we should organise a massive ride through Auckland queen street and make sure everyone on the ride submits a letter to ACC complaining

[6ft5]

How to make a submission


LEtter sent - we should swamp them

[spacemonkey]

The thing that gets me is that ACC has enough in reserve for at least three years business operations. This is the biggest amount of reserves that they have had for some time. Some commentators are arguing that ACC is NOT BROKEN - so why is the govt trying to fix it?? Ah, politics...:mad:

But on the other hand - and thats the hand on my wallet - having just bought a litre bike and keeping the commuter wheels, a major increase like this will mean that I will probably just run one rego across two bikes...

And I'm keen on participating in any protest...

Rev


The National party essentially want to be rid of ACC and usher in Aussie style (more expensive) privatized health care.

Best way to get rid of something is to break it so bad it HAS to be replaced. They promised not to privatize it in their first term (personally I doubt they will keep that one), so obviously they are all set to trash the ACC system making it hyper unpopular and so setting it up to replace it.

[rustic101]

How to make a submission

To make a submission, you need to write to us advising us what you think. As well as commenting on the proposed levy changes for the year, you can comment on all aspects of the ACC Scheme.

Your submission must include:

* Your name

* Your address

* Your contact phone number(s)

No point sitting around complaining, time to drag bum off couch and do something. Heres what I've written feel free to add borrow or whatever, I have not submitted this yet, group comments are welcome - good luck everyone..

RE: ACC Levy’s for motorcyclists
To whom it may concern.
I was astounded this evening to learn via the media that the proposed ACC Levy’s for motorcyclist are to be raised to such a high level, a level that has the motorcycle community uttering such things as, extortion, robbery, as well as a lot of expletives that would be counter - productive to this submission.

The general feeling is that motorcyclist’s are being unfairly singled out and there are arguments about car drivers causing most motorcycle accidents by not seeing the oncoming motorcyclists and so on and so forth. You would have heard these arguments before so I’m not going to digress down that line of thought.

Different tariffs based on a motorcycles engine size also raises many arguments. I live in Dunedin a student city and regularly observe students on small scooters weaving in and out of traffic wearing, jandals, shorts and T-shirts.

I’m a motorcyclists that rides a 1000cc 100 horse power motorcycle, but there are 600cc motorcycles that have more horse power than my 1000cc 100 horse power machine.

I spend money on the machine to ensure it is maintained to a high standard of safety, I wear a quality helmet, gloves, boots jacket and trousers with Kevlar linings, and even though the government just recently passed a law so that all motorcyclists ride with the headlight on during day, myself and many other motorcyclists have actually been doing just that for years past.

I have a family a mortgage and a cat, and I work damn hard for my money, and I am quite frankly not in the position to pay this amount of money and I will not.

The only options that are open to myself and many others is to either.
• Register for 12 months and be poorer.
• Register for 3 months of the year and risk a fine for the other 9 months.
• Register for 6 months of the year and risk a fine for the other 6 months.
• Not Register at all and risk a fine for 12 months.

Riding in a group will raise the risk of an accident to a degree, but it also lowers the risk of police fines.


You can send your submission:

By post:
Levy Consultation
ACC
PO Box 242
Wellington 6140

By fax:
04 918 4395

By email:
consultation@acc.co.nz

The deadline for submissions is 5.00 pm, 10 November 2009

ACC figures show 54,400 motorcycles over 600cc, double the number for those 126-600cc. More and more riders returning to motorcycling (as distinct from the scooter brigade) are males over 35, who ride predominantly on weekends, carry passengers and luggage and generally use the bikes for pleasure. Typically this group has more disposable income and will purchase larger machines. Weekend rides usually involve rural roads and higher speeds. As many writers point out, getting into trouble on a bike for going too fast is just as easy on a 500cc machine (arguably the smaller bikes have budget brakes, tyres and suspension) , and we all know how the typical 1500cc cruiser will fare lined up against a GSXR600.
The under 125cc group have lower risk, simply because those machines are typically used in a lower speed urban environment – primarily for transport and not so much for pleasure. Whilst the likelihood of a crash is higher, injury severity is generally lower.
The point I am making is that the crashes are not necessarily because of the capacity of the machine, but simply because there are a hell of a lot more older riders out there on bigger machines , thus more exposed to risk. If we all moved tomorrow to 599cc bikes, my view is that the risk profile will be the same. Age, errors, other vehicles and exposure to risk are not cc dependent.
Linking engine capacity to the argument is specious – in fact it is really a differential rate that correlates just as well with age and disposable income (again, generally a factor of age). The same linkages could be applied to bike prices – the more expensive bikes would correlate to a greater claim rate. Again, ccs are not causative. It could be argued that this is discrimination on the basis of age – a breach of Section 21(1)(i) of the Human Rights Act 1993.
If they are going to screw us, they should apply it evenly across the group, not single out the older riders by virtue of machine choice.
Any lawyers out there have a view on this?

[ready4whatever]

Police will be given the directive to do more Motorcycle REG & WOF checks, and you can garantee the fines for not having either will go up accordingly.

Yeah man police will be on the look-out for bikers even more now, after all of us saying this shit

[craisin]

so this cant be about raising money to win the World Cup Rugby you know that game that give f all to ACC but takes a lot :clap:

[Daz]

I reckon its a fair bet that a large percentage of motorcyclists own a car as well and pay ACC levies on that too. I dont know about the rest of you, but I am incapable of driving both at the same time.

I used to feel hard done by having to pay levies on both the bike and the car!

[ready4whatever]

Mr Smiths inbox getting abit full now huh? and thats only KB members. Luckily its expandable memory, so he gets them all :rolleyes:

[Pedrostt500]

So how do we go about putting together a Lobby Group for Motorcyclists, Yes we have BRONZ, but do they have the ability to win political favour for us, are the funded well enough to take on some legal fights, this is not just about taking on Politicians but also taking on back room beauracrats, ( if you have ever seen the comedy series "Yes Minister", you will understand what I mean.).

[craisin]

not to mention false rape claims

[southernmike]

Any chance of getting carbon credit for my bike which can be applied against my ACC bill?

[cs363]

Probably should cancel plans to buy the new Vyrus C3 then....top model weighs around 154 kilos and puts out 211bhp....
According to the maker 'Everybody will be able to ride it without killing themselves'
Try telling that to ACC!


http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2009/10/2010-vyrus-987-c3-4v-fastest-most.html

[Bangbug]

ACC figures show 54,400 motorcycles over 600cc, double the number for those 126-600cc. More and more riders returning to motorcycling (as distinct from the scooter brigade) are males over 35, who ride predominantly on weekends, carry passengers and luggage and generally use the bikes for pleasure. Typically this group has more disposable income and will purchase larger machines. Weekend rides usually involve rural roads and higher speeds. As many writers point out, getting into trouble on a bike for going too fast is just as easy on a 500cc machine (arguably the smaller bikes have budget brakes, tyres and suspension) , and we all know how the typical 1500cc cruiser will fare lined up against a GSXR600.
The under 125cc group have lower risk, simply because those machines are typically used in a lower speed urban environment – primarily for transport and not so much for pleasure. Whilst the likelihood of a crash is higher, injury severity is generally lower.
The point I am making is that the crashes are not necessarily because of the capacity of the machine, but simply because there are a hell of a lot more older riders out there on bigger machines , thus more exposed to risk. If we all moved tomorrow to 599cc bikes, my view is that the risk profile will be the same. Age, errors, other vehicles and exposure to risk are not cc dependent.
Linking engine capacity to the argument is specious – in fact it is really a differential rate that correlates just as well with age and disposable income (again, generally a factor of age). The same linkages could be applied to bike prices – the more expensive bikes would correlate to a greater claim rate. Again, ccs are not causative. It could be argued that this is discrimination on the basis of age – a breach of Section 21(1)(i) of the Human Rights Act 1993.
If they are going to screw us, they should apply it evenly across the group, not single out the older riders by virtue of machine choice.
Any lawyers out there have a view on this?

54000 x 750 = $40500000
108000 x 400 (what was it?) = $43200000
= $8370000
So they're going to Rape 80 million out of us to cover a 40 mill 'shortfall'.
So... how DO you get one of those 100k + ACC "jobs"...
I mean if you've gotta suck a dick for a job, might as well be a little government one.

[TOTO]

LEtter sent - we should swamp them

I've just sent another one too.


What would be an effective form of protest ? Any ideas ?

[Ixion]

I think you will find it wont make a difference. Most of the people that attend those rides do so because they care and are good people. The same people will go, we will just be poorer ... and very anti national!

but i get what your saying.
Might actually see numbers go up. Those rides are a time when people can safely bring out unregistered and unwofed bikes,

[DarkLord]

Hold on a second.

Their claim for this is that they have paid out so much, yet received so little levy back.

By asking for so much levy in return, the only thing they are doing is encouraging more people not to pay, including the ones who used to have no problem paying it.

If they really wanted a way around this, why not impose heavier penalties on cars or bikes caught without current registrations?

[PirateJafa]

For people in Auckland who can't afford to get down to Wellington etc, they should camp out the local MPs offices and the ACC buildings.

-Indy

Camp out the local MPs homes tbh. That'd get a reaction. :Police:

[Ixion]

ACC figures show 54,400 motorcycles over 600cc, double the number for those 126-600cc. ..

Do you have a source for those numbers ?

[Mort]

Email sent :


Ref: Proposed ACC levy change on larger motorcycles.

I wish to register my alarm and protest against the proposals to raise ACC levies for larger motorcycles to $745 per year. I find this to be an outrageously large increase which makes my chosen form of transport almost unaffordable.

I wish to make the following further points :

Many people ride motorcycles because they are on low incomes and find them cheaper to run and park in cities. You are unfairly imposing a tax on those who can afford it least.
The increase is inequitable on those who may own more than one motorcycle. I happen to own two, but that in no way increases my risk of accident or a claim on ACC. I also own a car and ride many fewer kms on a bike than a do a car. The increase is grossly unfair to people like me.
The motorcycle community is a close knit and motivated group. These increases will spark public protest amongst these law abiding decent people who will see this increase as an attack on their liberty to chose to ride a bike.
This increase will see the cost of riding a bike rise to amongst the highest in the world, at the time when we have mass unemployment and associated low income, high fuel costs increased congestion. It is a short sighted policy change which will increase peoples costs and add to transport issues.
The policy may reduce the number of people able to afford to run motorcycles (I have no doubt about that) but it will have no impact what so ever on the rate of accidents. This can only be addressed with better training for bike and car drivers and a public awareness campaign aimed at rider training.

I wish to be fully engaged in the consultation process for this policy. Please consider this a request for me to be included.

[6ft5]

we need more than just those statistics, also biking accident cause numbers, sports accidents, workplace accidents to make it all stick

[rustic101]

Do you have a source for those numbers ?

the source, will post tomorow with other potentially restricted information.

[scracha]

UK is 66 quid/12 months. Insurance though on a bike over 600cc is over 1000 quid/year

Yeah but they have this no claims bonus thing to reward careful riders like me. 160 quid for 2 bikes when I left (TDM850 and Divvy 600)

[Biggles41]

LEtter sent - we should swamp them

Swamp them let them know in no uncertain terms that we are really pissed about this, but remember they are a government department so do not use any verbally rude language (Yeah I know it'll be hard) for some of us including me.

But we have to work the system as best we can and if that fails then let the shit hit the fan, it will be time for us Kiwi's to wake up and stop these sods walking all over us.

[Varkp]

how about the boy racers, whenever there is a carnage insert on the news it involves teenagers is some sooped up peace of crap.

how about applying the same rules there.

I say mass action, i can take a ferw days off from my job to camp on the beehive lawn with my bike, small tent and long drop ...

[fi5hy]

Yes ACC does pay for the rehab on motorbike riders but how many of those a registered bikes on the road???? I bet when Jo blogs farmer falls form his quad bike he says oh I fell off my motorbike, or when you have a trail ride or motocross its the same? . Out of all the bikes sold in NZ how many of them a road registered?? very little I think so why is it that the road rider gets nailed??? From now on you all fell off a chair at home to break your leg or coller bone

[6ft5]

no problem, will use a few of my email addresses and physical addresses to attack this

[Hotchefnz]

Bike shop owners will be shitting them selves over this crap - who wants to stock the big bikes now>?

[jafar]

Wow all this indignation over being charged a few extra pennies for keeping a no fault insurance system that everyone is locked into. If they got half of the bludgers off the acc gravy train then they wouldn't need the increase.:oi-grr::violin:

I personally would prefer to see ACC scrapped & replaced by private insurance or @ the very least give the ACC the ability to sue those who cause the claims.
:corn::corn:

[Hopeful Bastard]

Hrmm.. Mass gathering at Beehive while they are sitting sounds a good idea. Everyone posted at all entrances/exits to the beehive so when it comes to them wanting to Sit or leave they will run late and cant get in or out. I am sure there will be more than enough bikes/people to swamp the beehive.

I dont have a bike yet, But this isnt going to stop me from getting one.. Looks like i will be running both the car AND bike without rego's...


It is time this government took a step backwards and realised that Bikies WERE NOT a good starting group to pick on! :mad:

[NighthawkNZ]

I personally would prefer to see ACC scrapped & replaced by private insurance or @ the very least give the ACC the ability to sue those who cause the claims.
:corn::corn:

I do hope you mean if a cage cuts a corner and takes out the bike that they sue the cage driver, not the biker for making the ACC claim...

[jafar]

I do hope you mean if a cage cuts a corner and takes out the bike that they sue the cage driver, not the biker for making the ACC claim...

Of course, whoever is the cause of the injury should be able to be sued to recover costs, in the same way as insurance companies chase money from the "at fault" party in a crash.

[Naki Rat]

we need more than just those statistics, also biking accident cause numbers, sports accidents, workplace accidents to make it all stick

All this information is available under the Official Information Act (or some such name). Now just find the appropriate contact and request a copy of it. If we all do so it should tie up a few government lackeys for some time. Gotta love civil disobedience :2thumbsup

[Little Smurf]

Well, I'll probably sell my bike and buy a full-carbon cycle. .

Careful they will probably find a way to tax cyclists too


Bike shop owners will be shitting them selves over this crap - who wants to stock the big bikes now>?

Oh hell yes, it just made buying a bike a hell of alot more expensive, and to think that m/b shops aren't already doing it a bit tough they certainly don't need this


Why aren't insurance companies jumpin up and down, if people can't afford to register their bikes they certainly won't bother paying for insurance.

[GOONR]

.....Why aren't insurance companies jumpin up and down, if people can't afford to register their bikes they certainly won't bother paying for insurance.
Because insurance companies will be inline to take over from ACC. I used to work for a insurance company, they have had something in the pipeline for a year or so... Just in case.

[Pedrostt500]

One thing I noticed is that SUVs were lumped in with cars, how many accidents to others were involving SUVs?.

[ready4whatever]

watch out!

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Haven't had time to read all through this thread so apologies if brought up before but

two things:

Firstly - Is everyone forgetting that this is a catch up of a black hole covered up by labour. Petitioning national about it will do didly squat. ACC got f@cked under labour governance - any private company would not have been allowed to get this far into the red. The situation of the black hole still stands whether NZ likes it or not.

Secondly - doesn't the amount of crashes point out that the testing guidelines are too weak. I don't think it is limited to bikers but if a car crashes they are comparatively well protected from harm - if a bike crashes then ACC is more likely to be called upon. Get the bloody easy testing certs fixed and you will make a good headway into this not happening again in the next couple of decades.

Me: I'm on my restricted and doing all the courses I can. I'm a middle aged rider new to the game. But basic handling and restricted are a piece of piss. It all seems a bit too easy to me.
I took an optional advanced riding course a couple of months back which helped my riding no end. but this doesn't help me with my licensing - no a classroom course on hazard detection (rather than how to be a competent rider) just halved my time to get my full! Daft or what - both have their advantages but one without the other is pointless. If riders fall off on corners (with no one else about) they only have themselves to blame.

In simple terms it seems that you can get an NZ license from your favourite cereal packet.

[NordieBoy]

When I got a tax cut I put that money away and saved it .
Turned out I saved my tax cut to pay tax.
I only get 55hp for my $750 plus road user 100 odd.Not good value.
3000ks per year is 30 cents per k.

I would love 55hp for my $750.

Only 37hp here :(

Think of the KLR 650 riders.
34odd HP for the same money.

[Timber020]

Wow all this indignation over being charged a few extra pennies for keeping a no fault insurance system that everyone is locked into. If they got half of the bludgers off the acc gravy train then they wouldn't need the increase.:oi-grr::violin:

I personally would prefer to see ACC scrapped & replaced by private insurance or @ the very least give the ACC the ability to sue those who cause the claims.
:corn::corn:

Thats what john key wants to I suspect, that way insurance companies and lawyers can get alot more work and get really really rich. Guess who they get rich off?

Spend some time in the US and see how utterly crap that system works. It makes EVERYTHING more expensive and the insurance industry just screws everyone over.

[NighthawkNZ]

Of course, whoever is the cause of the injury should be able to be sued to recover costs, in the same way as insurance companies chase money from the "at fault" party in a crash.

So make the "No Fault System" to a "At Fault System" in general and then in that case the money they get back doe we also get the no claims and cheaper ACC

[discotex]

The cops would probably do more checks at random from now on, so anytime...

Good thing they're looking at the pursuit guidelines eh ;)


The good news is Raj now knows what his new KB name should be....

IShouldHaveStayedOnMyR64Life



When's the protest? I'm there.

And those who say it shouldn't inconvenience others.... Compare cheese cutter protest to the truckies and bus drivers! If it doesn't inconvenience people you have no teeth. We need to grind Auckland to a halt until we get a result.


My suggestion is start with a big ride/blockade but then setup flash-mobs of bikers. I.e. setup a text list and text 20-50 bikers to go and block a random intersection. That we we don't all have to take as much time off work to protest and it'll keep the police gussing.

Do that 3 times a day and people will start to notice us.

[shakey]

after everyone has calmed down a bit lets us our heads here for a second. this is the way to win the battle. protests in blind anger wont achieve anything, although im bloody keen to go on one. the following is taken from the acc submission documents online.

the ACC submission documents state " 1. What is cross-subsidisation? Cross-subsidisation is where cost of claims is not fairly shared among those responsible for those costs - in this case we are referring to vehicle classes.
2. What is ACC doing about cross-subsidisation? ACC has undertaken a review of the levy classification system with the purpose of identifying options to reduce cross-subsidisation between vehicle classifications to ensure that the costs of claims are more fairly shared among the vehicle classes that are responsible for those costs."

clearly, in any submission or protest, pains should be made by us to point out that we agree with the acc stance and position - that of making those responsible pay. their own document states they are making those responsible pay. the key word here is "responsible" and clearly by hitting us bikers they have not done what they say they will do. they are making the victim pay, not those responsible.

the way you beat beaurocracy is to use thier own documents against them. and most members of the public hate the increasing bearocracy in this country, so you end with a good chunk of them on your side.

[shakey]

the other thing thats going to start happening is when someone gets knocked off their bike by a car, motorists are going to start getting the crap beat out of them by frustrated angry bikers.

you can see that coming a mile off.

[jono035]

Dunno if anyone else has mentioned it but it would seem that the ACC levy component is going to increase to $745, from $252... Currently licensing is $380, so there is $130 of non-ACC in there making it $875 per year for 601cc+.

An at-fault system would simply end up with the american situation where people end up in crippling debt from healthcare bills when they fall through the cracks or get dicked by their insurance company and that kind of situation is bad for society as a whole.

Healthy members of society benefit society as a whole.

Edit: Does someone know the numbers in terms of average accidents per motorcyclist per year rather than per km travelled? That would be the more telling factor, if you're 16x more likely to have an accident per km travelled by motorcyclists on average travel 16x less distance than a cage then it all comes out in the wash...

[mynameis]

Someone fly a plane into the bee hive. or park a truck outside of it full of explosives. I saw this thing off CI how this dude sent pipe bombs through the mail to government leaders which blew their face off pretty much, he got caught 20 years later only because his brother dobbed him in. I'm pissed

:laugh: you little prick, been watching too much Tele :lol:


Look how the Truckers did it. They let people know in advance, did it peacefully. Many people got in behind and supported them for it.

Pissing off the randoms in the streets won't help our cause, if anything, it will make it worse. We need to get the "general" public on our side and not all hating us for clogging up the streets while they try to get to their holiday destination for a much needed break.

+1


this will also be detrimental to motorcycle shops and their employees if these proposals go ahead...this increase is unjustifiable.

Bikes have less weight, less congestion, less emissions...how can this increase be reasonable. What constitutes a 'big' bike? 601cc...pfffttt.

If a protest is to go ahead KBers we will need to have passion like the French people and protest hard!

Because they said bikers are 16 times more likely to crash.


Nick Smith best watch out for himself now.....

-Indy

What ya gonna do, flash him some titties?


You really haven't got a clue, have you!

Give me some of your RogerNomics theory behind ACC/Gubmint/Tax Payer Money.


hahahahaha

The amount of Labour/Helen slender on this site I tell ya..bikers to their own demise


Pricks before this government! Idiot! National Govnt are liars, they are only lining there own pockets and all there business friends over ths one.
Labour govt was the most honest govnt you will be seeing until there crooks that are in are out.
Wait until you have to pay you own hospital bills, or your own private health....if they decide they want to insure you, riding a motorcycle and all.....because that is where this government is heading, you will have to have health insurance.....then lets see who you are calling pricks!

Coming from Little Mr Nobody, learn to spell first. Where did you pull all of that shit from. Thin air. I already have health insurance.

[Hopeful Bastard]

the other thing thats going to start happening is when someone gets knocked off their bike by a car, motorists are going to start getting the crap beat out of them by frustrated angry bikers.

you can see that coming a mile off.



Wont only be the crap that i beat outta them.. I will take their god damned wallet!

[Bangbug]

Ok here we go for 2007 numbers
Motorcycles
73,082
Mopeds
23,106
Excluding lapsed/hold rego numbers.
So: 96188
$62000000 / 96188 = $644 per rego.
$.099 per litre of gas ACC charges (2007)
400 L of gas (low avg guestimate :) )
so - $40.
$604 for rego's for all mopeds and motorcycles at 2007 levels.
MINUS all those farming, fun, playstation motorcycle OOS injuries etc etc ones and we'd be looking at something not much more than what we are paying now.

So how about a REGO on your licence?
A price for each class of licence but limited to the highest class price wise as we cannot drive multiple vehicles at once.
% wise of driving time just won't work.

MILEAGE WOULD BE EXACT
Ways around everything but if they want it "user pays" that's the best.

[jafar]

Spend some time in the US and see how utterly crap that system works. It makes EVERYTHING more expensive and the insurance industry just screws everyone over.

I have spent a little time in the U.S & there system is a little too far the other way as you seem to suggest, theirs is a user pays system in the worst way.


So make the "No Fault System" to a "At Fault System" in general and then in that case the money they get back doe we also get the no claims and cheaper ACC

If you must run a ACC system then make it one that has half a chance of working, the current "No fault "system has taken away your ability to sue someone for personal damages because it is taken care of by the ACC premiums that we all have to pay. If there is a better case of a concept that simply doesn't work then I'd like to know what it is .

[Bangbug]

oh there's the 2008 numbers
Motorcycles
55,180
Mopeds
19,960

They have some contradictory numbers on the LTSA website.
75k 2 wheelers?
THAT'S just about a $1k each for us, they're making this shit up as they go along!

[Bangbug]

oh there's the 2008 numbers
Motorcycles
55,180
Mopeds
19,960

They have some contradictory numbers on the LTSA website.
75k 2 wheelers?
THAT'S just about a $1k each for us, they're making this shit up as they go along!

could anyone tell me what a fucking moped is?
Isn't that something with pedals AND a motor?
I expect arsehole and elbow are interchangeable names on govt websites

[hayd3n]

why not put this in front of fair go?

its obvious we are being targeted!!
:mad:

[jafar]

why not put this in front of fair go?

its obvious we are being targeted!!
:mad:

Isn't Target on a different day ?:2thumbsup

[Pedrostt500]

after everyone has calmed down a bit lets us our heads here for a second. this is the way to win the battle. protests in blind anger wont achieve anything, although im bloody keen to go on one. the following is taken from the acc submission documents online.

the ACC submission documents state " 1. What is cross-subsidisation? Cross-subsidisation is where cost of claims is not fairly shared among those responsible for those costs - in this case we are referring to vehicle classes.
2. What is ACC doing about cross-subsidisation? ACC has undertaken a review of the levy classification system with the purpose of identifying options to reduce cross-subsidisation between vehicle classifications to ensure that the costs of claims are more fairly shared among the vehicle classes that are responsible for those costs."

clearly, in any submission or protest, pains should be made by us to point out that we agree with the acc stance and position - that of making those responsible pay. their own document states they are making those responsible pay. the key word here is "responsible" and clearly by hitting us bikers they have not done what they say they will do. they are making the victim pay, not those responsible.

the way you beat beaurocracy is to use thier own documents against them. and most members of the public hate the increasing bearocracy in this country, so you end with a good chunk of them on your side.

We need to be able to show the holes in their statistics, and information gathering, without giving any of our game play away, so they do not have prepared answers, this is not a battle against politicians but a battle against little back room beauracrats who are trying to protect their $100K & $300k a year salarys.
Keep in mind that the major exspense for any Busness is its wage bill, I doubt ACC is any different, yes they may have recently juggled their salarys around by paying some of those who got $300K last year $299,999 thousand this year, they will also get paid their bonuses, and get sent on fact finding junkets to some where nice.
When it comes to manipulating statistics, Beauracrats are master manipulators.

[Triman]

No doubt they're piling off road motorcycle injury claims onto our registration levies because they have no otherway to recoup the expense. What about the dickhaed ignorant tin-top drivers that actually cause the accident injuries in a large percentage of motorcylist claims??? Unfair misreprepresntation for the thousands of us long-time motocyclists who have never had a crash!!

[hayd3n]

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nzbikers_vs_acc/index.html

[Pedrostt500]

could anyone tell me what a fucking moped is?
Isn't that something with pedals AND a motor?
I expect arsehole and elbow are interchangeable names on govt websites

A Moped is less than 50cc, less than 2 hp out put, top speed of 60kmph though that may be a top speed of 50kmph, if a moped is over 50cc, or greater than 2 hp, or can go faster than the top alowable speed for a moped then it is classed as a motor bike.

[hayd3n]

Isn't Target on a different day ?:2thumbsup

fine take it there too

[Wiki Drifter]

A Moped is less than 50cc, less than 2 hp out put, top speed of 60kmph though that may be a top speed of 50kmph, if a moped is over 50cc, or greater than 2 hp, or can go faster than the top alowable speed for a moped then it is classed as a motor bike.

I've seen a bike shop selling a DF200 (200cc) registered as a moped, wonder how they got around the rules...

[jafar]

I've seen a bike shop selling a DF200 (200cc) registered as a moped, wonder how they got around the rules...

They havn't got around anything they just misrepresented it. If they are that dodgy to do that then I would do my shopping elsewere :dodge:

[RAC]

I have registered my .....disappointment.... with my local MP, ACC minister etc. this may have been covered, but im buggered if im reading thru 50 odd pages of "fuck you" to find it......
is someone out there able to put together a well written letter to cut and paste into submissions in order to have solid factual argument to prevent it just being turfed due to it being not factual/abusive/war story based etc submissions?
If its in bureaucrat speak and is backed by actual facts (not assumed "facts") then it will be much harder to dismiss.

[cs363]

They havn't got around anything they just misrepresented it. If they are that dodgy to do that then I would do my shopping elsewere :dodge:

+ 1 on that! :shifty:

[Pie]

fuck sake, I'm on a casual contract which ACC is reducing coverage for. So now I get to throw $500 dollars away every year for nothing.

[Farab]

We are already bloody taxed to death in this country, we are all struggling, including the bike industry, that's all we need another freak'n "tax", because that's exactly what it is.

Anyway, this has gone too far. Sorry I havn't read all 40-odd pages, is there anything being organised? I would gladly put my hand up, although Oct/Nov is going to be very busy for me (out of country).

Just a few random thoughts:

- All these accident stats, I would like to see a breakdown involving scooter riders - people that use 2 wheels as transport only with no passion for the pastime. I see scooter riders zipping around with f-all gear on except the minimum required helmet (especially in summer). I would suggest that most bikers wear proper gear, etc. Also as you may know, 50cc requires no bike license, so no training period if you will.

- I would suggest that bigger bikes are actually safer. Better weight for stability, generally better brakes, suspension and power to get you out of a dangerous situation.

- Were the hell is the incentive for using more environmentally friendly transport? This government is so hell bent on signing up for everything "environment", so if its so committed, where's the incentive for using 2 wheels?

- If they are so worried about our safety, way the hell don't they fix up the bloody roads? Typical - park the bloody ambulance at the bottom of the cliff type mentality. I have been "around the block" a few times, and NZ roads in general are by far the worst, IMO, that I have come across for Western standards. Heck, just take a ride on the Coatsville Riverhead Highway to see what I mean. Zero or negative cambers, patchwork tarmac like a freak'n quilt, uneven road surface, tarsnakes, etc, etc., little to no shoulder. Just look at the manner in which the likes of Scenic Drive (Henderson) was resurfaced a few months ago - to the untrained eye its seems they just chucked down some bitumen and sprinkled with a loose layer of metal/stones!

- Wire rope barriers - need I say more?

- Every time I'm in the dairy flats, seems another road has been downgraded to 80km/h, whats up with that? (had to throw that one in!)

- The rider should be registered/taxed - you can only ride one bike at a time!

- One of the posts I read here, seemed to hint (if I understood it correctly - if not, apologies) that smaller bikes aren't the real problem, should pay much less, older returning bikers are the problem, etc., now is not a good time to apply "each man for himself" mentality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

How about forming some sort of a committee to fight this effectively? I'm in with as much as I can spare (lots of stuff going down, trips, exams, etc.)
Anyway, just a few random thoughts. Will watch and join in as and when I'm able.

[cs363]

I have registered my .....disappointment.... with my local MP, ACC minister etc. this may have been covered, but im buggered if im reading thru 50 odd pages of "fuck you" to find it......
is someone out there able to put together a well written letter to cut and paste into submissions in order to have solid factual argument to prevent it just being turfed due to it being not factual/abusive/war story based etc submissions?
If its in bureaucrat speak and is backed by actual facts (not assumed "facts") then it will be much harder to dismiss.

Unfortunately 'form' letters aren't the go as they lump all simlarly worded letters together and they only count as one submission. :(
Just say what you feel with no abusive or swear words and make sure you include you name, address and phone number to make it count.

[Slyer]

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[craisin]

I suspect pushbikes are more dangerous than motorbikes.
Point being there is no annual tax on pushbikes

[Brian d marge]

Haven't had time to read all through this thread so apologies if brought up before but

two things:

Firstly - Is everyone forgetting that this is a catch up of a black hole covered up by labour. Petitioning national about it will do didly squat. ACC got f@cked under labour governance - any private company would not have been allowed to get this far into the red. The situation of the black hole still stands whether NZ likes it or not.

Secondly - doesn't the amount of crashes point out that the testing guidelines are too weak. I don't think it is limited to bikers but if a car crashes they are comparatively well protected from harm - if a bike crashes then ACC is more likely to be called upon. Get the bloody easy testing certs fixed and you will make a good headway into this not happening again in the next couple of decades.

Me: I'm on my restricted and doing all the courses I can. I'm a middle aged rider new to the game. But basic handling and restricted are a piece of piss. It all seems a bit too easy to me.
I took an optional advanced riding course a couple of months back which helped my riding no end. but this doesn't help me with my licensing - no a classroom course on hazard detection (rather than how to be a competent rider) just halved my time to get my full! Daft or what - both have their advantages but one without the other is pointless. If riders fall off on corners (with no one else about) they only have themselves to blame.

In simple terms it seems that you can get an NZ license from your favourite cereal packet.

We know that

but actually labour reversed the decisions made by the national government who WILL privatize Acc

as far back as 2007 john Key said so
quote The opposition National Party has signaled that if it
becomes the government after the 2008 election, it intends
to re-privatise the ACC scheme, thereby re-introducing
private insurance companies into the accident insurance
marketplace.2 This booklet argues for the retention of ACC

“National’s policy
is to re-establish a
as a state-monopoly accident insurance provider.
competitive market
to provide accident
insurance.” (National
Party Leader John Key,
Address to NZ Large
Herds Association
Conference, 21 March
2007


this is what they are doing

I TOLD YOU THIS BACK THEN

you cannot come out of the wood work now and complain when people such as myself and others have been screaming this from the top of the hills for YEARS ( i am not joking ,,,I personally have been so since the eighties

labour are the ONLY party to hold to the original woodhouse principles

and when the ACC scheme was originally set up the committee at the time said

They were acutely aware of the pitfalls of entrusting this
social responsibility to insurance companies:
“...the insurance system itself can offer no central
impetus in the important areas of accident prevention and
rehabilitation.”


Liberalism( neo) has no place in the working mans ideals


Stephen

[Brian d marge]

PPs

Ya didn't do anything about it when it was required , winter has come , the horse has bolted ,,,,

cry me a river....

boo hoo me Acc rego is too expensive ,,, rotten government ( toys out of cot )

but they wont dream off putting a capital gains tax on my nest egg ,,,,,,they would never do that ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


:baby::crybaby:

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

PPPPS

if I hear of any one acting like a dick and crashing ,,, through shear stupidity or weekend rossiness

My ACC bill will be forwarded for their immediate payment

Kind regards ,,,

Stephen

oh and its an Enfield... up from 100 to a staggering 136 dollars

so be careful

[rosie631]

It would be interesting to know how much we all actually pay in ACC levies. For me, it's 2 cars, 1 bike, wages, petrol. Probably a few more sneaky ways they're collecting it too. By the time all that's added up I am damn sure I could get it privately for less.
I work in the private health system and we used to do a lot of orthopaedic work for ACC. They have clamped right down on claims and are calling every injury they can 'wear and tear'. So basically we are paying a LOT more for sweet FUCK ALL.

[peasea]

Totally agree, consolidated submission and well organised protest rides. I would guess that it needs to be done soon though, the media is watching right now!

Cutoff date for submissions was October 2nd. I organised literally dozens of them, did you send one? I doubt they got read but if people don't have their say then they can't whinge when then things don't go the way they'd like them to.

Protest rides will achieve much the same but that won't stop me going on at least one. I'm happy to do one locally as well as go to Wellington.

[peasea]

Totally agree, consolidated submission and well organised protest rides. I would guess that it needs to be done soon though, the media is watching right now!

That's what I was thinking, strike while the iron is hot, use the mass-media like a tool. (Coz most of em are tools.)

[peasea]

It really needs to happen before November 10th to have any real effect as that's when the submissions close (unless they would be likely to change anything after that? Unlikely I think..)
Regional rides are a good idea for those that can't make Wellington, though a ride on Parliament would certainly get the media machine working, perhaps a petition organised in conjunction with each regional ride and then all copies presented to the Minister/PM at the culmination of a ride to Parliament, with BRONZ coordinating the whole thing?

November 10th??
I was of the understanding that submissions regarding the (then) proposed ACC levy increases were due in by October 2nd! We've sent in shitloads of them from local riders.

[BMW]

Ouch - Fuck thats a big increase.

I really dont think I can justify keeping the bike registered

It will be cheaper to get two 'not registered' tickets per year

Guys, we really do need to fight this - especially as most bike accidents are caused by cages in the first place...

agreed! the cost is worth getting caught twice.
The sick thing is alot of us use a car as well. So we are paying twice. Once to ride a bike and then again to have a car.

[SARGE]

fuck me .. my small bike is 1000cc..


im just not gonna rego either one of them and take my chances ...


how bout getting the ACC off prisoners, drink related injuries and ACC abusers?..

i have 2 big bikes .. i can only ride one at a time .. how about making ACC a levy on drivers licenses so youre covered on whatever youre riding/ driving?

i already pay nearly NZ$900 on my taxes for ACC levy .. plus the fuel levy .. plus my car.. plus my bikes .. etc .. enough is enough already ..:Oi:

[Trudes]

SO who wants to come down to the Beehive with me today in full motorcyle attire to wander about with "Scapegoat" signs?

[5150]

Can anyone tell me how to disconnect one cylinder on my 1100 boxer twin so it still runs fine, thus making it 550cc??? Problem solved me thinks.

And to mr Prick Smith? Go and FUCK your self !!!!!!

[vstrom]

motorcycling just got cheaper, bike values are going to drop big time ,thanks all you low km bikers doing a few km a year subsidizeing those of us doing 30000 plus km a year, this sux, i think there will be a lot of outlaw bikers rideing unreged ,

[cs363]

November 10th??
I was of the understanding that submissions regarding the (then) proposed ACC levy increases were due in by October 2nd! We've sent in shitloads of them from local riders.

Yep...see attached document on this post: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129457496&postcount=48 for full details, but here's the relevant quote:

"Making a submission
ACC is encouraging New Zealanders and affected organisations to have their say.

Submissions must include: Your name
Your address
Your contact phone number(s)

You can send your submission: By post: Levy Consultation
ACC
PO Box 242
Wellington 6140
By fax: 04 918 4395
By email: consultation@acc.co.nz

Deadline for submissions: 5pm, 10 November 2009"

[tzrmike]

This has reinforced what I have thought for a while about governments.

Governments are like an abusive husband. They slap us round for around 2 1/2 years, then 3 months out from the election, it's "I'm sorry babe, I promise I'll never hit you again", etc. This will last for about 3 months after the election if a new government is elected, or less if it's re-elected, then it's back to slapping us around.

Well, like the battered wife, we have two options. Leave the prick or stuck a knife in his heart while he's sleeping...

[5150]

Why don't they also put masive ACC levy on Alcochol? thats what causes majority of accidents in the first place!!!!!

Our goverment seems to forget that we voted them in and gave them power. Our taxes pay their salaries, so technically they work for us. We should be able to fire their arses!!!!

Anyway off to drown my sorrows in a bottle of beer :apint:

[dmc]

It may well have been suggested but I'm sure if 10's of thousands of bike owners all head in to their nearest post shop and put their rego on hold the intake of ACC levies will dry up really fast, I think they will take notice of that more than us jumping up and down.

[yungatart]

Whilst I am still outraged at this shafting, I wouln't be quite so angry if a some of my levy dollars were going to fund decent rider education/skills courses.
Perhaps if ACC were to fund these courses (out of the levy collected), and then those who attend get a rebate on their levy...food for thought?
A yearly refresher course at the beginning of spring.....

[Toshcole]

What gets me is that most crashs are by off roaders who show up at hospital with a broken fingure,arm,leg and they are recorded as a motorcycle accident. They dont have to register these bikes. In addtion to this. they dont understand that bikes fall into sections

Cruiser/tour. larger cc and very slow
Sport bike. Small cc and up...and very fast
commutors. small to large cc and run and half the gas that a car does with an entire lower carbon footprint


This is an attack on a lifestyle, one Ive had for over 40 years. My wife and i work hard and use our bike for plessure. A 1500 goldwing, or 1580 halrey is a tour cruiser,and it defies logic to lump us in with the sport bike or dirt bikes...My father is 80 and still rides a CX 500. he is gutted!!!!

[seemehi]

Too much of a coincdence in my view - I buy a new Haybusa last week and the very next week ACC leveies have been planned to increase, gotta ask yourself, is this gods will or does someone know me and wants to make me pay for striving to be different from the flock.
I am not paranoid, just quitely working to get that way.

[ready4whatever]

Someone mentioned it before but i'll say it again... From now on all of you guys and girls fell off a ladder. you didnt fall off a motorcycle

[sellywin]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2964906/Bikers-to-fight-big-fee-hike

Read this, it's rediculous!
"Those owning bikes from 126cc to 600cc face an increase from $252.69 to $511.43 ...
Owners of bikes over 601cc will see their annual ACC levy increase from $252.69 to $745.77 under the proposal."

Voice your opinions! I can't think of many other than anger at the moment. Surely we could all make a protest rally against it... it's just too much.

sorry a bit slow theres a thread alreayd up:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129455852#post1129455852
but still...

[sinfull]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2964906/bikers-to-fight-big-fee-hike

read this, it's rediculous!
"those owning bikes from 126cc to 600cc face an increase from $252.69 to $511.43 ...
Owners of bikes over 601cc will see their annual acc levy increase from $252.69 to $745.77 under the proposal."

voice your opinions! I can't think of many other than anger at the moment. Surely we could all make a protest rally against it... It's just too much.

omg...........

[gothavealaugh]

Got to say that if a protest ride is to happen we should try and get someone like John Key caught up in it his movements in Auckland this week include

Thursday morning I’ll be in Takapuna as part of the march past and review to celebrate the exhibition “Passchendaele – the Belgians have not forgotten”, and in the afternoon I’ll be at the Diwali Festival of Lights at Viaduct Basin. On Sunday afternoon I’ll be opening the new St John ambulance station in Whenuapai.


from johnkey.co.nz

So if you feel like letting John know your displeasure you can easily find him

[Tunahunter]

Lanci's comments make sense to me - the approach this national Govt has taken is like pruning the tomatos with a chainsaw! A broad based study looking at all the data might reveal a solution that we can accept

[NordieBoy]

Someone mentioned it before but i'll say it again... From now on all of you guys and girls fell off a ladder. you didnt fall off a motorcycle

The bitch did a u-turn in front of me and I ummm... fell off the ladder I was ummm.... riding...

[Usarka]

When mum used to yell "turn down that damn stereo" I always notched it up a bit until she got fed up, run in the room and I'd turn it down to a bit louder than where it was before. "That's better" she'd say.......


We're being wound up by the government. These changes won't go through, but we're being buttered up to think "that's better" when the govt does something else, like privatise ACC etc.....

[Laxi]

yes, when did this happen??? you think on a biker site like this sombody would have mentioned this:rolleyes::lol:
seriously though, sure this is big! but do we really need 20 threads dedicated to it? and how did you miss the other 19?

[Motoracer]

For all this time I've been bitching and moaning to the Germans here about how good it used to be in NZ and how cheap everything was.. Well... Holly fuk! I feel for you poor fuckers!!!

I think I just had to pay something like 54€ for my CBR954RR from April till October. So thats not too bad at all.

Good luck with the fight against the increase (if there is a fight that is).

[ckai]

Just a idea.Instead of a ride/protest Wouldnt leaving the bikes home and do it in cars instead.Cars with sines like this is what 1000 more cars looks like (we can't afford our bikes)But na fuck it bikes would look so much better

Now this I actually think makes a lot of sense! I wonder if you could get some truckies that can have signs like:

"It's cheaper to run this than my bike"

Bikes do make a bit more noise though.

[davereid]

FOR SALE

Leather Jacket, Pants, boots and Helmet $750 to help pay ACC Levy..

[Rhubarb]

I can't afford a Wife and register my bike ................................. DIVORCE IMMINENT !!!!

[portokiwi]

:buggerd: Does Nick Smith own Car yards in New Zealand.
Will be cheaper to own a cage now.
Lucky I still cant afford a bike.. But still looking:lol: anyone giving away free bikes:lol:
So What are we going to do??????????????????????????

[5150]

we should all put our bikes on the trailer and do big convoy to Wellington blocking the roads. Hey we did the protest march but we had our bikes on the trailer as we can't afford to ride them down. And for every bike on the trailer there will be a car towing it. this will show how much congestion there will be if bikers are forced to go back to cars. :buggerd:

[Usarka]

we should all put our bikes on the trailer and do big convoy to Wellington blocking the roads. Hey we did the protest march but we had our bikes on the trailer as we can't afford to ride them down. And for every bike on the trailer there will be a car towing it. this will show how much congestion there will be if bikers are forced to go back to cars. :buggerd:

I actually like that idea. A protest in cars would have a twist, more likely to get news time, more likely to get some degree of sympathy from cagers etc etc.

If you can't trailer just take a car. And do it in peak hour.

[DarkLord]

My fear is this -

Now that they have announced this is there anything we can actually do at all to stop it from happening?

Look at what happened with the anti smacking bill. Most voted against it, yet it was STILL put through. What the fuck is the point in a government that doesn't listen to what the people want.

I love riding a motorcycle, and these people, from as far as I can see it, are basically making it too expensive to do that. It is my right to be able to ride but they are trying to tax us off the roads as they don't want us there.

This is an absolute outrage. I didn't claim on ACC for a motorcycle related injury so why should I have to compensate for those who have. It's not my fault. Don't take it out on me.

Will a protest actually do anything though? and will they actually listen to us if we kick up a fuss and fight back? Or will they just ignore us and push on ahead anyway as they did with this stupid anti smacking bill?

[6ft5]

My fear is this -

Now that they have announced this is there anything we can actually do at all to stop it from happening?

Look at what happened with the anti smacking bill. Most voted against it, yet it was STILL put through. What the fuck is the point in a government that doesn't listen to what the people want.

I love riding a motorcycle, and these people, from as far as I can see it, are basically making it too expensive to do that. It is my right to be able to ride but they are trying to tax us off the roads as they don't want us there.

This is an absolute outrage. I didn't claim on ACC for a motorcycle related injury so why should I have to compensate for those who have. It's not my fault. Don't take it out on me.

Will a protest actually do anything though? and will they actually listen to us if we kick up a fuss and fight back? Or will they just ignore us and push on ahead anyway as they did with this stupid anti smacking bill?

Intersting point oh Darklord . . It seems to me that it has been said in this forum already that we need to get the facts straight, we need to present those facts in the strongest possible way , come up with some alternatives and lobby this throught the policy makers, media and what ever to ensure we don't get shafted.

Although I am angry as hell, this doesn't help. We need to be constructive in the protest in terms of what is the right information and what the options are.

My humble opinion after a few wines a good night sleep and a blood test this morning.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Whilst I am still outraged at this shafting, I wouln't be quite so angry if a some of my levy dollars were going to fund decent rider education/skills courses.
Perhaps if ACC were to fund these courses (out of the levy collected), and then those who attend get a rebate on their levy...food for thought?
A yearly refresher course at the beginning of spring.....


+1 to that idea. That would at least soften the blow. At the moment it just seems like we just have to pay more for no extra benefit.

Not a very good sell by the government, even if they didn't create the problem in the first place.

If some of the ACC levies were used for motobiker reresher courses (possibly subsidised rather than free) and to run campaigns for car drivers to be more aware of motorbikers - I beleive that the ACC claims coming from Bikers would drop significantly. Surely that is a preferable solution to just throwing money at the problem.

My 2c.

[mossy1200]

I cant believe that bikes are singled out when every other hobby,sport that involves risk is funded from the big pool.
40milllion on rugby injuries.
Do we have the only self funded passtime?

[Trudes]

Interesting listening on Newstalk ZB live (fuckers)http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/streaming/newstalkzb-streaming.asp
Do some work you moaning bastards. Actually, I need to turn it off, it's just making me angrier!

[5150]

A comment from Stuff.co.nz page. pretty good suggestion me thinks

To all you law abiding motorcyclists. You should look to the 'boy racer' for inspiration at this difficult time. He will get caught, fined, not pay the fine, get more fines , not pay, go to court, get the fines (which could be many thousands) written off and in place get a few hours community work at a weekend. Much cheaper option.

[mossy1200]

A comment from Stuff.co.nz page. pretty good suggestion me thinks

To all you law abiding motorcyclists. You should look to the 'boy racer' for inspiration at this difficult time. He will get caught, fined, not pay the fine, get more fines , not pay, go to court, get the fines (which could be many thousands) written off and in place get a few hours community work at a weekend. Much cheaper option.

I knew a guy that owed 14tho in fines years ago.He opted for 7 days in jail for it to be cleared and they let him out in 4 days for good behavior.

[Rhubarb]

How about this from the alledged voice of the Motorists.

http://www.aa.co.nz/about/issues/road-safety/Pages/Motorcyclists-and-motorists.aspx

Yes it's the 'Goverment Sympathising' 'Oil Company pandering' 'Gutless, money making' organisation - The Automobile Association.

The AA appear to support the 'ripping off' of motorcyclists by ACC.

Are motorcyclist's not motorists too?

[nico]

It's all relative, the gubmint has spoken it's going up. The prciks before National should never allowed ACC to go into $4 bill def.

Someone has to pay for it now, guess who that will be :p


aint gna be me they can shove their rego up there a## im prepred to run

probaly the wrong attutude BUT this is what they are going to create by doing this , i dont think im alone

[5150]

Take a look boys and girls if you will at the sporting injury statistics straight from the ACC website. In particular please pay attention to the rugby sector. Now tell me who should be paying bigger levies.

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/statistics/acc-injury-statistics-2008/20-sport-claims/IS0800369


Hang on while i clean my ass before i get shafted :buggerd:

[Freakshow]

So my 50cc scooter has just gone from $50 to $250 ( i missed the news).

[Trudes]

Take a look boys and girls if you will at the sporting injury statistics straight from the ACC website. In particular please pay attention to the rugby sector. Now tell me who should be paying bigger levies.

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/statistics/acc-injury-statistics-2008/20-sport-claims/IS0800369


Hang on while i clean my ass before i get shafted :buggerd:

We're easier to tax, we already pay the taxes why not just hike them up rather than trying to squeeze $$ out of a bunch of rugby players before they hit the field and fuck each other up.:mad: Like I said, we're scapegoats, we're easy to blame as so many people still think "motorbike" and they image up gang members... and everyone hates them, bloody crims.;)
AND in other breaking news ( :laugh: ) http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2966137/Mercedes-smashes-into-Wellington-building-foyer/2966137/Mercedes-smashes-into-Wellington-building-foyer yes the motorcyclists are the problem :rolleyes:

[5150]

And here are the statistics broken down per vehicle type. Please note cost of injury of motorcycle claims as oppose to cars. (especialy for perion in 2007)

Where did Prick Smith get his figures from?

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/statistics/acc-injury-statistics-2008/8-motor-vehicle-account/IS0800143

[mossy1200]

And here are the statistics broken down per vehicle type. Please note cost of injury of motorcycle claims as oppose to cars. (especialy for perion in 2007)

Where did Prick Smith get his figures from?

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/statistics/acc-injury-statistics-2008/8-motor-vehicle-account/IS0800143

wheres the offroad motorcycles other than atvs?

[Reckless]

I knew a guy that owed 14tho in fines years ago.He opted for 7 days in jail for it to be cleared and they let him out in 4 days for good behavior.

Bloody hell Mossy $3750-00 per day! Where's the bloody line in the sand there??
Bet it wasn't even real jail one of those min security camp outs!!

[Reckless]

wheres the offroad motorcycles other than atvs?

Hey back off!!

we never fall off LOL!!!

BTW if this goes through I'll be paying well enough for my off road stuff within my on road rego!!!!
Go see the other sports and stop picking on us bikers, Most off roaders do both that I know!!

[Swoop]

Firstly - Is everyone forgetting that this is a catch up of a black hole covered up by labour. Petitioning national about it will do didly squat. ACC got f@cked under labour governance - any private company would not have been allowed to get this far into the red. The situation of the black hole still stands whether NZ likes it or not.

In simple terms it seems that you can get an NZ license from your favourite cereal packet.
Pointing out to people that labour had a big spend-up before being ousted, causes them to go quiet.

The standards of driver skills and ease of obtaining a licence, have fallen on deaf ears in any gubbinment...
It is easier to tax than to do anything constructive and actually improve society.

[mossy1200]

Bloody hell Mossy $3750-00 per day! Where's the bloody line in the sand there??
Bet it wasn't even real jail one of those min security camp outs!!

No it was Dunedin jail but he got to take his telly etc after it had been checked over by tech for drugs and watched sky in his cell all day.he knew a few guys in there so got to catch up with mates.Said it was a great break from the missus.
He had been in before and they had given him a month for fighting.That time they put him in the week before xmas but let everyone who had less than 2months left out so was there for 6 days out of the month sentence.This countries a joke.

[Reckless]

.Said it was a great break from the missus.

Now there's a good idea!! Don't pay any rego, get a break from her indoors every couple of years as well!! Primo!

[NighthawkNZ]

If I pay ACC in my REGO, as well as ACC in PAYE, as well as in fuel that I use... surely this is more than my share of the total fund for the year, not matter what I ride, do or play? and as I have said over 25 years or work and PAYE, and rego fees, fuel, with out a claim my share is how much??? the more k's I do the more I pay for ACC... and of course how many k's have I done in 25 years (a hell of a lot)

The figures they have is that just saying they collect from rego's where the short fall is? Surely they wouldn't know how much I truly pay in ACC unless I keep all my reciepts for fuel for a year...

I don't know please enlighten me on that

[chelseapar]

just no pay license. police no shoot for stop for NZ. Police shoot for stop for bolivia

change make govnerment no words. must gain lot people for change. play protestation for change

[Reckless]

If I pay ACC in my REGO, as well as ACC in PAYE, as well as a little bit in fuel that I use... surely this is more than my share of the total fund for the year, not matter what I ride, do or play? and as I have said over 25 years or work and PAYE, and rego fees, fuel, with out a claim my share is how much...

the figures they have is that just saying they collect from rego where the short fall is?

I don't know please enlighten me on that

Cause they let the system get screwed up! Every damn Physio out there has signs saying FREE treatment on ACC, Lots of doctors put things on ACC!!, They pay out lumps sums for people jumping over prison walls! The system doesn't charge all users evenly!!

The tail is wagging the dog!!

and BIKERS have to PAY!

[Badjelly]

Out of those "16 times more likely" accidents how many are due to faults by cars.

Roughly half. Nowhere near 15/16. You & I have chosen a relatively dangerous means of transport. :mellow:

[WuZards-Eugene]

...Three-quarters of all motorcycle injury accidents happen on urban roads. But more than two-thirds of fatal crashes are on the open road. These crashes tend to involve larger bikes travelling at higher speeds - often at intersections where oncoming motorcyclists are often overlooked.


Alright, we need to see some action. First thing we should start on is this myth that smaller bikes are at less risk of fatal accidents :bash:. We need volunteers to ride on the open road on small capacity bikes and have fatal accidents to even this out :2guns:.

Who's in?? :stupid:

[5150]

There should be a petition at every motorcycle shop right now to be signed and then delivered to the parliament during our protest ride.. We as a motorcycle community from every corner should all get behind this. If we let them get away this time, they only going to screw us more next time.

[DangerMice]

Fuck me, 440% increase in rego on my little scoot. What's the bet the fine for no rego goes up to $1000? Wankers.

[Dodger]

Does it really matter about the whole 16 times more likely etc?

Something that has been kicked around the office today:
ACC an equal compensation organisation cattering for all New Zealanders.

So why is just one group getting stung? shouldn't the cost be split between all? Maybe as an increase to to GST? and not just to road users? :mad:

[DangerMice]

it's no longer a "no fault" system, it's a "your fault for riding a bike" system. :mad:

EDIT: or should that be "no fault UNLESS you're riding a bike" system cause sports people etc are laughing aren't they.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Does it really matter about the whole 16 times more likely etc?

Something that has been kicked around the office today:
ACC an equal compensation organisation cattering for all New Zealanders.

So why is just one group getting stung? shouldn't the cost be split between all? Maybe as an increase to to GST? and not just to road users? :mad:

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