Not impressed with spokesman

[lee.j]

not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

[mowgli]

Are you sure you had the right channel? Volume turned up?

[vifferman]

Look, Les (Ixion on KiwiBiker) is very smart, but you need to realise what it's like being on the spot and pressed for time in an interview like that. I think he did very well, given the limited time he had.
Trouble with TV programs like that is that they deal in soundbites and sensationalism, not getting into the nitty-gritty of an issue.

[MIXONE]

not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

Are you volunteering to put your face out there then?
Put up or fuck up!

[nothingflash]

I think he did a great job - he certainly did a better go of it than the ACC GM. It doesn't matter how many people double check the equation... $77 x 3.2 million (or whatever the figure is) is still in excess of $200M.

[PirateJafa]

not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

Good to see you're out there, working hard and devoting your spare time towards the betterment of motorcycling.

Oh wait, you're just bitching on the internet about people who ARE doing that.

Get the fuck off my internet.

[Winston001]

Agreed. Les (Ixion) is a very intelligent man and capable of presenting strong arguments. The trouble is TV current affairs is ankle deep so proper answers get chopped.

[Brian d marge]

Look, Les (Ixion on KiwiBiker) is very smart, but you need to realise what it's like being on the spot and pressed for time in an interview like that. I think he did very well, given the limited time he had.
Trouble with TV programs like that is that they deal in soundbites and sensationalism, not getting into the nitty-gritty of an issue.

+10000

Spoke clearly concisely and well

unless you have been in that situation,,,,,,,,,,, join the que at the rear over by never never land

Stephen

[Skyryder]

Did not see it. But he's standing up and being counted. Good enough for me.


It's no mean feat walking into a studio. It's an alien place.


Skyryder

[McWild]

Red bling given.

You try and fairly represent a nationwide community on national tv in a sub ten minute time frame.

Once you've done that then maybe, just maybe, people will give a shit about your baseless little whinge.

[mynameis]

Hmmmmmm.....



I think what he's trying to say is out of thousands of bikers was he the best REP? Taking into account perception is very important.

He didn't put him down, of course we know he's doing a lot of work on his own free time.

Good work Ix, keep it up.

[zahria]

Hmmmmmm.....

There's a whole heap of hmmmm ing going on....

[Katman]

I also don't think he's doing us any favours as a frontman.

Bronz need to find a public figurehead more comfortable with the role.

[mynameis]

There's a whole heap of hmmmm ing going on....

You missed the other bit :bleh:

[Lil_Byte]

I think he did a better job presenting the argument than the ACC idiot. The ACC idiot came off a smarmy and the biker dude came off as quiet considered.

[martybabe]

:mad::mad::girlfight: He has voluntarily taken on the burden of spokesman for our battle, he is an amateur enthusiast without the benefit of being groomed or paid for TV work and I think he did a fucking amazing job representing our cause under such circumstances.

I'm sure he'd be up for an aide to take a bit of the heat off, Pm him asap and volunteer will ya, sheesh.

[NighthawkNZ]

What we need is a 10-15 minute spot (or more) where we put all our arguements across... without interference... including the arguement that ACC aint broke.... to cover all road accidents it would only coast $100 a vehicle... there are other ways and places of put theACC levy

ie put an ACC on traffic infringment, and even on the WOF

Other than that well don Ixion

[Katman]

He has voluntarily taken on the burden of spokesman for our battle, he is an amateur enthusiast without the benefit of being groomed or paid for TV work

That doesn't make him the best man for the job.

Believe me, we are in a position where we need the best person we can find.

[Quasievil]

:mad:hey Hey Hey ..........settle the fuck down eh, Ixion challenged the highly paid ACC DOCTOR extremely well........Ixion Manned up to a challenge which would make any normal bloke pack his pants in 5 secs, he did bloody well and left me feeling we as bikers won the round, especially with the "we tried to do that but you wanted $10k" in relation to information release.

If anyone has got anything negative to say DONT, just shut the fuck up and give the guys some well earned Kudos or dont say anything!!

[PirateJafa]

I also don't think he's doing us any favours.

Bronz need to find a figurehead more comfortable with the role.

So you'd rather we just give up and roll over until Brad Pitt comes along to do the job for us?

Les is doing an admirable job so far - hell, he's more photogenic than both of our ugly mugs, what's the problem? He ain't a professional news anchor, waste-of-space (read: politician) - it's not reasonable to expect him to function like one.

I trust him. Well, except with any bottles of beer lying around. But other than that, I trust him to do his best for us.

[rideon]

not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

Smart first post mate - NOT !!

[Quasievil]

Im also VERY PISSED AND ASHAMED that Ixion is going to come home after that experience to read THIS CRAP!!

FUCKEN SHAME ON THE THREAD STARTER AND FOLLOWERS

[Katman]

Smart first post mate - NOT !!

I've been on here long enough to not give a fuck what people think of me.

Les did a great job of chairing a great meeting last night, but he is not the confident public face that our campaign needs on TV.

[Kiwi Graham]

Les did a fukin good job, he flumuxed the ACC doc on his own figures and made him look decidedly uncomfortable.

I dont see anyone else putting there hand up to publicly represent us.
However there is the usual wingers and those first in line to put others that try down. Dont listen to them Les they are all full of fuck all.

[Babelfish]

not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

Talk about trying to be as popular as a fart in a lift!

Given that Ixion was having to deal with a COMPLETE twat reporter with a complete innability to listen (obviously good reporting credentials) he did marvelously. Given his contribution throughout this forum, I tend to think there arent many others I would want above him as a representative.

You on the other hand sir, have made a rather short sighted cunt of yourself...not dissimilar to the aforementioned reporter.

[mdooher]

not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

hmm first post...bad grammar... can't spell....is this the ACC dude?:girlfight:

[Kevnz]

not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

Maybe you should get your hand off your bone and do something :bash:

[Flip]

Les did a fukin good job, he flumuxed the ACC doc on his own figures and made him look decidedly uncomfortable.

I dont see anyone else putting there hand up to publicly represent us.
However there is the usual wingers and those first in line to put others that try down. Dont listen to them Les they are all full of fuck all.

Les did a brillant job. He looked like my dad the average working man, which is a very strong place to be when taking on ACC and did not look like some prick in a suit.

He caught out the ACC Dr telling lies on national TV.

By the end the media was clearly on our side.

[Quasievil]

I've been on here long enough to not give a fuck what people think of me.

Les did a great job of chairing a great meeting last night, but he is not the confident public face that our campaign needs on TV.

BULLSHIT, he did extremely well, the fact he wasnt a smooth talking young stylish handsome broadcaster moulded into a corporate attack dog was to our advantage, he presented well got the points across and cut the ACC down suitably given the short time frame, Ive seen more media savy people get less through in a short time than Ixion on many occasions.

Fuck Im pissed with this thread, KB is now offically to big and to full of dickheads. At a time when we should be united and supporting our own we have this BS to contend with !!

[Maha]

not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

Les (Ixion) is a very intelligent man, every biker should be greatfull that he is on our side, I watched him head the BRONZ meeting last night, possibly the biggest they have ever had. He looks rather meanicing with a little hammer in his hand I must say..;)

[mdooher]

[QUOTE=Flip;1129474400]Les did a brillant job. He looked like my dad the average working man, which is a very strong place to be when taking on ACC and did not look like some prick in a suit.
QUOTE]

Dead right, we don't need some super smooth dude. We wan't joe public to feel for the underdog

[mynameis]

What we need is a 10-15 minute spot (or more) where we put all our arguements across... without interference... including the arguement that ACC aint broke.... to cover all road accidents it would only coast $100 a vehicle... there are other ways and places of put theACC levy

ie put an ACC on traffic infringment, and even on the WOF

Other than that well don Ixion

:shit: 15 mins, only if you're running for PM I suppose.

Above can be done via submissions.

[DarkAngel]

Did they really ask for $10k to disclose the supporting data?!

If they don't deliver someone should make a formal request under the OIA.

[Katman]

BULLSHIT, he did extremely well, the fact he wasnt a smooth talking young stylish handsome broadcaster moulded into a corporate attack dog was to our advantage, he presented well got the points across and cut the ACC down suitably given the short time frame, Ive seen more media savy people get less through in a short time than Ixion on many occasions.

Fuck Im pissed with this thread, KB is now offically to big and to full of dickheads. At a time when we should be united and supporting our own we have this BS to contend with !!

Wake up Brett, he looks impressive to you because you are a motorcyclist.

The whole idea of TV coverage is not to impress other motorcyclists - it is to get the general public on our side. To do so we need someone who comes across as convincing and compelling to non-motorcyclists.

[sinfull]

Les's mug was the perfect one to be on national tele i felt ! Not to mention the only one with the balls to do so !! I felt relaxed with the job he did !

The lead up to that slot showed helmetless harley riding hoons did it not ??
What better way to belittle that original picture, than by some sweet gentle innocent old man fronting Bronze on TV

He spoke as fluently as he was allowed and even gave up on the presenter interupting him and spoke over him !

Would you (OP) prefer a patch member of an outlaw club be the protests spokesman ?

Oh and Steve, would you be putting you hand up ?

[Flip]

not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

Do you work for ACC?

Or are you just wrong.

[pevs]

Well done Les, good job and thank you.

[Flip]

[QUOTE=Flip;1129474400]Les did a brillant job. He looked like my dad the average working man, which is a very strong place to be when taking on ACC and did not look like some prick in a suit.
QUOTE]

Dead right, we don't need some super smooth dude. We wan't joe public to feel for the underdog

I don't think it could have gone any better.

[pzkpfw]

Just watched it on TVNZ on demand or whatever it's called. (It froze before the very end but saw most of it.)

He did a fantastic job, and I now feel less dirty for the red I gave the O.P. (might be the first I've ever given out).

A good ordinary Kiwi bloke, not a bikie, just a bike rider, gave the suit from Wellington a good hiding.

Katman the negative can go screw himself; I think the average New Zealander will get from that interview exactly what we need them to.

Wonderful job.

[Katman]

Oh and Steve, would you be putting you hand up ?

I'm not suggesting I'd do any better job Bill.

I'm convinced that someone out there that rides a motorcycle would though.

We are talking about a fight for our lives here. It deserves looking for the best person for the job.

[NighthawkNZ]

Above can be done via submissions.

which don't get read and get put in to a pile or spam box... You can get a lot across in 15 minutes of un-interupted talk

[fireliv]

That doesn't make him the best man for the job.

Believe me, we are in a position where we need the best person we can find.

Normally I dont mind what you say even agreeing with some of it but you just pissed me off.

Now I see you are an utter pillock. You get on some fucking high horse like you know what you are on about but really you are some idiot that hides behind a computer bitching on like you are higher than god. I never actually see you trying to publicise this or any pother cause. All you do is bitch about bikers on this site, nor have I seen you on TV, radio etc doing anything to help rally people etc so why dont your just pack up and shift your loser fucking whinging else where.

Well done Ixon, you did a fantastic job! Thanks for standing up for me, I couldn't be more greatful!

[Little Smurf]

I think he did a fantastic job, yes he was nervous but fark me it can't be easy when the entire nation is watching you!!!! I say a job well done ...... thank you :2thumbsup

[FJRider]

:lol:
I also don't think he's doing us any favours.

Bronz need to find a figurehead more comfortable with the role.

He's doing it ... no queue of those claiming to be able to do it better....

If you think you can ... go for it. I enjoy a good laugh ... :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Kiwi Graham]

Wake up Brett, he looks impressive to you because you are a motorcyclist.

The whole idea of TV coverage is not to impress other motorcyclists - it is to get the general public on our side. To do so we need someone who comes across as convincing and compelling to non-motorcyclists.

I've never met Les but I'd be pleased too, You on the other hand :nono:

Is it your life's mission to bag all that try to improve the lot of the motorcyclist?

[PirateJafa]

I'm not suggesting I'd do any better job Bill.

I'm convinced that someone out there that rides a motorcycle would though.

We are talking about a fight for our lives here. It deserves looking for the best person for the job.

You don't get it do you?

The best person for the job is someone who has already put in years of work and effort, quietly and unthanked. Who has shown a willingness to try to find and interpret the statistics, to contact the media, to push our case forward wherever they can. Who, when this situation arose, started working immediately.

Not someone who has kicked back and watched Sky Sport for two weeks until the call for the next Bono to arise, to champion our cause went out, at which point they come out of nowhere to save the day.

[Ixion]

Les did a brillant job. He looked like my dad the average working man, which is a very strong place to be when taking on ACC and did not look like some prick in a suit.

...

Ah. Somebody gets it.

We need the public on our side. At this stage anyway. The public perception of bikers is all too often tattooed dreadlocked bruisers with an antisocial attitude. Well, the sooner they are priced off the road the better says Joe Q Public , that deep and incisive thinker. Or smarmy yuppies who can easily afford to pay what for the damage their toys do. Make them pay their fair sahre, why should I subsidise them, says Joe Q.

But a gentle unthreatening old man, just like Dad ?

There will eb a time for a switch to an agressive mode. But not yet.

[Flip]

I'm not suggesting I'd do any better job Bill.

I'm convinced that someone out there that rides a motorcycle would though.

We are talking about a fight for our lives here. It deserves looking for the best person for the job.

I now know we have the right person for the job.

Nobody is going to take a snake oil salesman seriously, but when Mr average, Uncle Les comes along and makes Dr Bob on a thosand dollar suit look like a dick he has my vote. Convince the public the ACC is wrong and the politicans will follow and thats what Les we did tonight.

You won't convince the politicans of anything they just follow the mood of the people.

[Katman]

I've never met Les but I'd be pleased too, You on the other hand :nono:

Is it your life's mission to bag all that try to improve the lot of the motorcyclist?

I'm not bagging anyone.

I'm just saying that there has to be a better public face for our campaign.

[mdooher]

Did they really ask for $10k to disclose the supporting data?!

If they don't deliver someone should make a formal request under the OIA.

I believe all requests for info from govt departments are automatically requests under the official info act

The only costs are meant to be resonable fees for their time to put it all together....$10000 for raw data....what effort could would cost that much?

[nothingflash]

Ah. Somebody gets it.

We need the public on our side. At this stage anyway. The public perception of bikers is all too often tattooed dreadlocked bruisers with an antisocial attitude. Well, the sooner they are priced off the road the better says Joe Q Public , that deep and incisive thinker. Or smarmy yuppies who can easily afford to pay what for the damage their toys do. Make them pay their fair sahre, why should I subsidise them, says Joe Q.

But a gentle unthreatening old man, just like Dad ?

There will eb a time for a switch to an agressive mode. But not yet.

Yep - it would have been a completely different interview if their shoes (or in fact all of their clothes) were on the different foot...

[FJRider]

Ah. Somebody gets it.

We need the public on our side. At this stage anyway. The public perception of bikers is all too often tattooed dreadlocked bruisers with an antisocial attitude. Well, the sooner they are priced off the road the better says Joe Q Public , that deep and incisive thinker. Or smarmy yuppies who can easily afford to pay what for the damage their toys do. Make them pay their fair share, why should I subsidise them, says Joe Q.

But a gentle unthreatening old man, just like Dad ?

There will be a time for a switch to an agressive mode. But not yet.

TRUE ... Well said ... :2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup

[FJRider]

I'm not bagging anyone.



Sure sounds like it .... :Playnice:

[nsrpaul]

I reckon he did well!!!!!!!!!!!

[rideon]

I'm just saying that there has to be a better public face for our campaign.

Bullshit- he made the ACC suit look like a dick, not once, but 3 times!! Well done Les. :clap:

[nsrpaul]

Sure sounds like it .... :Playnice:

I agree, I learnt long ago don't bag anyone UNTIL you have done a beter job youself!!

[spookytooth]

I would just like to than Ixion for actually going into to bat for me
Cheers man

[Flip]

Ah. Somebody gets it.

We need the public on our side. At this stage anyway. The public perception of bikers is all too often tattooed dreadlocked bruisers with an antisocial attitude. Well, the sooner they are priced off the road the better says Joe Q Public , that deep and incisive thinker. Or smarmy yuppies who can easily afford to pay what for the damage their toys do. Make them pay their fair sahre, why should I subsidise them, says Joe Q.

But a gentle unthreatening old man, just like Dad ?

There will eb a time for a switch to an agressive mode. But not yet.

Was that you on the tube? I take my hat off to you, you did a stirling job.

Let me know when I can help with the "agressive mode" stuff.

I'm going up for the protest, was there in 93, just organising leave, accommodation and transport now.

[sunhuntin]

just watched it online and ixion did an amazing job! made that suit look like a goldfish... he was sitting there with his mouth hanging open at least once, and the rest of the time was stammering around for answers, while ix kept his head on straight, his voice steady and got the points across clearly.

well done!

[blossoming]

Les did a brilliant job tonight. Kudos.

[rainman]

Get the fuck off my internet.

What he said.


I also don't think he's doing us any favours.

Bronz need to find a figurehead more comfortable with the role.

I've been in one, only moderately messy, media situation - and can tell you I will do everything in my power to never be in front of a media-wielded camera again. I have actually not yet watched the interview that Les did but take my hat off to him - regardless of whether he was nervous or not, or whether he was the best or not. Besides, he's a bona fide Bloody Good Baastid and I'm grateful that he gives so much to the biker community.

Remember, the perfect is the enemy of the good.

[FJRider]

I would just like to thank Ixion for actually going into to bat for me
Cheers man

and ME TOO ....:2thumbsup

[Wiki Drifter]

Fantastic job and thank you Ixion.
Enjoyed watching Dr.ACC getting pimp slapped. :clap:

[sinfull]

Les (Ixion) is a very intelligent man, every biker should be greatfull that he is on our side, I watched him head the BRONZ meeting last night, possibly the biggest they have ever had. He looks rather meanicing with a little hammer in his hand I must say..;) Take 20 yrs off and a slightly bigger hammer and i might well have been worried lol


Normally I dont mind what you say even agreeing with some of it but you just pissed me off.

Now I see you are an utter pillock. You get on some fucking high horse like you know what you are on about but really you are some idiot that hides behind a computer bitching on like you are higher than god. I never actually see you trying to publicise this or any pother cause. All you do is bitch about bikers on this site, nor have I seen you on TV, radio etc doing anything to help rally people etc so why dont your just pack up and shift your loser fucking whinging else where.

! Lets not take Katmans posts to out of context, he DID NOT bag Ixion, he merely stated he felt there COULD have been a better person for the job !!
With him being in the motorcycle repair/sales trade, he would be worried about the outcome of this protest as it could have detremental effect on his business and only want the best outcome correct ?
Then perhaps the trade should get together and have a rider/lawyer on salary who can speak a hundred words per minute and have a PA that can type a 1500 word speech at the drop of the hat !

The OP on the other hand ........

[Pussy]

The OP on the other hand ........

....had his own hand down his pants!

[GSVR]

not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

Well done on your first post on here. I smell a rat.

[nothingflash]

....had his own hand down his pants!

You reckon there was enough room in there for his hand and Nick Smith?

[jetboy]

Quite funny that, at a time when a united front is required, some people are complaining about looks and image.

You didn't hear the soldiers of WW2 complaining that Patton was an ugly mutt...no, he got the job done and his men followed him wherever he went.

Now I'm not saying Ixion is an ugly mutt, but for fucks sake people he's a commander in the field and stepped up to the plate when the shit hit the fan - surely the least of our worries should be whether he is America's next top model? Should we not be supporting this man as much as we can, for the greater good? As for finding a "better person for the job"...as head of the BIKERS RIGHTS organisation surely there can be no better person?

I'm personally making plans to attend D-day on Nov 15th - good on ya Les.

[XRVrider]

I'm not bagging anyone.

I'm just saying that there has to be a better public face for our campaign.

Ixion, you were great, even the missus who doesnt give a toss was impressed. You put across the point(s) really well, the figures were bought up and calculated beautifully, and delivered quickly, anyone of the public would have motorbikers down as being screwed over. Thanks mate, and I for one (and most others) appreciate your time.

Katman, jeez you really can be such a negative guy at times... for fucks sake, a bit of self analysis needs to happen dude, cos you can be such a dick. Appreciate what is good, and for a good cause, and maybe all these people, over I guess many years, may stop calling you fuckwit.

[sinfull]

I'm personally making plans to attend D-day - .
That bloody settles it ! I'm deffinately bringing my slingshot !!!!

[Hitcher]

not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

It's idiot comments like this that make me indifferent about getting involved in this campaign. Every self-righteous prick is a fucking expert on parliamentary democracies, trying to be more outraged than previous posters about the proposed increase in ACC levies, yet completely devoid of ideas as to how to win the hearts and minds of middle New Zealand and also offer up viable alternative solutions.

Les did an outstanding job tonight. He made ACC's CEO look like an unprepared idiot, and won a major concession that ACC would provide its base data to BRONZ at no cost.

Thank goodness Les is prepared to be the public face of this campaign, rather than some of the braindead oiks who've variously posted comments on this matter.

[Indiana_Jones]

I smell teh troll lol

-Indy

[speed63]

Great job Ixion. It is a very hard thing to do when set up for a scrap by the media.

Thanks for speaking on my behalf.

[MadDuck]

It's idiot comments like this that make me indifferent about getting involved in this campaign.

But this is a first time poster that probably only became a member to stir. Is that just cause to end the battle? I do not think you are that naive Mr Hitcher.

[riffer]

We just watched it here at work and have to say Les - you did a great job there.

The choice of clothes was perfect. You really came across as the average bloke and I bet you challenged a lot of people's perceptions of what a biker was.

Considering its only your second time on telly interviews you're learning fast.

I'm proud of you. You've got my support. :2thumbsup

[nothingflash]

Ixion, you were great, even the missus who doesnt give a toss was impressed.

Yeah mine too...

[madmal64]

I think Les did a stirling job. 99.5% of the non biking public will probably look at us now in a slightly different light and I think having a average joe looking guy that was able to state facts clearly without an ummm or an arrr like Dr ACC is excatly what we need now. I have already recieved quite a few supportive txt messages from non biker associates saying positive things about the segment on TV. Interesting to get the data we need.

[Katman]

Katman, jeez you really can be such a negative guy at times...

Yeah, we can all sit around and blow smoke up Ixions arse all night if we like.

Don't be mistaken. Most of you are fighting for a few extra dollars being taken out of your pockets. Some of us are fighting for a whole lot more.

All I'm saying is we need the best person for the job. If you don't like my opinion tough shit.

[Laxi]

:mad:hey Hey Hey ..........settle the fuck down eh, Ixion challenged the highly paid ACC DOCTOR extremely well........Ixion Manned up to a challenge which would make any normal bloke pack his pants in 5 secs, he did bloody well and left me feeling we as bikers won the round, especially with the "we tried to do that but you wanted $10k" in relation to information release.

If anyone has got anything negative to say DONT, just shut the fuck up and give the guys some well earned Kudos or dont say anything!!

only read up to ^quasies post(bling sent)so sorry if I missed somthing, but im not wasting 5 minutes of my life reading that crap
congrats lee.j! 1st farrking post and ya managed to piss a shit load of people off, you must be an extremly tallented troll or a regular shit stirers alter-ego

[gatch]

Good work Mr Ixion, made the acc dude look like a chump, as well the reporter.

[MadDuck]

Don't be mistaken. Most of you are fighting for a few extra dollars being taken out of your pockets. Some of us are fighting for a whole lot more.

Maybe YOU should have spoken up a lot more last night then? Instead of hiding behind a keyboard!

[turboduck]

Good job Ixion. I bet you were bricking yourself before the broadcast, but you came across really well.

Keep it up. Youve got my support.

[Kiwi Graham]

Yeah, we can all sit around and blow smoke up Ixions arse all night if we like.

Don't be mistaken. Most of you are fighting for a few extra dollars being taken out of your pockets. Some of us are fighting for a whole lot more.

All I'm saying is we need the best person for the job. If you don't like my opinion tough shit.

For someone claiming to have a livelihood at stake you've got a bloody weird way of trying to get people to support/help you. There is somebody out there doing just that and all you can do is complain.
Why not get of your lazy whingeing ass and do something instead of complaining about those that are ffs!

[FJRider]

Don't be mistaken. Most of you are fighting for a few extra dollars being taken out of your pockets. Some of us are fighting for a whole lot more.

If you don't like my opinion tough shit.

I might like to suggest that you try not to tell us what we are fighting for ...


and ... most of YOUR opinions ... NO.

[Katman]

For someone claiming to have a livelihood at stake you've got a bloody weird way of trying to get people to support/help you.

None to bright, are you Graham?

I'm not trying to get anyone on here to support me. Any motorcyclist that doesn't oppose what ACC are proposing would be rather out of the ordinary.

We need to get the general public to support us. That is the whole idea of media coverage. I feel that there must be a better spokesperson for our cause.

[scumdog]

All I'm saying is we need the best person for the job. If you don't like my opinion tough shit.

That person being????:wait:

[mynameis]

which don't get read and get put in to a pile or spam box... You can get a lot across in 15 minutes of un-interupted talk

Problem is, it would be very difficult to get 15 mins of air time of popular programmes like close up and cambell live when they only run 30 mins (including ad).

Maybe in other channels like Maori TV or Asia Down Under or something. But the exposure we've got in terms of Air Times, so far is very impressive.

[pzkpfw]

I feel that there must be a better spokesperson for our cause.


That person being????:wait:

Obviously some handsome time traveller, who can go back in time and do all the work that Ixion has been doing.




(No, not saying other people haven't been doing work....)

[MadDuck]

I feel that there must be a better spokesperson for our cause.

Ok I will ask...like who? Who do you recommend then - give us a name?

I think Ixion has and is doing a great job!

[Katman]

That person being????:wait:

Quite frankly I think the woman who spoke at the meeting last night would be far better suited to the job.

[Qkkid]

None to bright, are you Graham?

I'm not trying to get anyone on here to support me. Any motorcyclist that doesn't oppose what ACC are proposing would be rather out of the ordinary.

We need to get the general public to support us. That is the whole idea of media coverage. I feel that there must be a better spokesperson for our cause.

:mega:Instead of blowing your trumpet Katman why dont you lead from the front. Step up or fuck up.

[scumdog]

Quite frankly I think the woman who spoke at the meeting last night would do a far better job.

I wasn't at that meeting last night....:oi-grr:

[JimO]

i didnt see it does someone have a link

[sinfull]

We just watched it here at work and have to say Les - you did a great job there.

The choice of clothes was perfect. You really came across as the average bloke and I bet you challenged a lot of people's perceptions of what a biker was.

Considering its only your second time on telly interviews you're learning fast.

I'm proud of you. You've got my support. :2thumbsup
Yeah +2 !!!! Having only just this second seen the close up debate ! (Sorry been busy drinking)!!!
The choice of driving to the interview was outstanding !!!
Helmet hair on a muggy night does nothing for ya TV look Mr Ixion !!
Handsome kiwi bloke doing a handsome job !
Must say the presenter, (Typical media attitude) loved (and prayed apon) you having the good Dr stammering !!

[Quasievil]

Problem is, it would be very difficult to get 15 mins of air time of popular programmes like close up and cambell live when they only run 30 mins (including ad).

Maybe in other channels like Maori TV or Asia Down Under or something. But the exposure we've got in terms of Air Times, so far is very impressive.

Sold a Tshirt to someone in Maori TV today, we also sold shirts to England as well as a few Labour Party @parliment.govt.nz email address holders.............................no Im not saying who.

[gatch]

I vote this thread be burned, the ashes ground up, mixed with petrol and burned again.

Arguing about who is or isn't the best pin-up for the battle against the evil acc is rubbish, if the non-motorcyclist public was to read this, what would their impression be ?

United we stand, divided we get bum fucked by acc..

[MadDuck]

Quite frankly I think the woman who spoke at the meeting last night would do a far better job.

The woman you refer to is a KBer. Perhaps you might take the time to find out her name on here and off if you want her to represent you?

[Katman]

I wasn't at that meeting last night....:oi-grr:

Would you like me to teleport you back in time?

[Quasievil]

i didnt see it does someone have a link

http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/angry-bikers-storm-capital-3089877/video

[riffer]

Would you like me to teleport you back in time?

Jeez Steve the way you're going some of these fellas might be considering knocking you back to next week.

Might be time to accept you're pissing in the breeze here...

[chanceyy]

I thought Ixion was the perfect person to represent us .. who else would you have .. some young fella with no credibility or someone like katman whose every second word is fuck ..

Ixion represents a vast majority of bikers, & spoke well considering the short period .. certainly better than the dr so & so .. didn't know it was suppose to be a beauty contest :whistle:

[sinfull]

Problem is, it would be very difficult to get 15 mins of air time of popular programmes like close up and cambell live when they only run 30 mins (including ad).

Maybe in other channels like Maori TV or Asia Down Under or something. But the exposure we've got in terms of Air Times, so far is very impressive. You seen this ?


i didnt see it does someone have a link

Here
http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/angry-bikers-storm-capital-3089877/video

[Sonicjoe]

Didn't read the whole thread. IMHO I think Ixion did a great job, had the ACC DOCTOR scrambling for words basically the whole way through the VERY SHORT interview. I don't even ride a bike...I still think this situation is ridiculous..
Well done Ixion.
Joseph

[jetboy]

I just watched the segment on Close Up again and I find it hard to fault Les at all! He got the points across in a clear, orderly fashion, where the ACC guy kept stumbling and repeating himself. I sure as hell couldn't have done that well speaking to an audience of 10 people off air, let alone a nation on live tv!

[Kiwi Graham]

None to bright, are you Graham?

I'm not trying to get anyone on here to support me. Any motorcyclist that doesn't oppose what ACC are proposing would be rather out of the ordinary.

We need to get the general public to support us. That is the whole idea of media coverage. I feel that there must be a better spokesperson for our cause.

Sorry for not being as 'bright' as you would like Steve but............

Is not a motorcyclist, passionate about motorcycling, who represents motorcyclists, who is willing to stand up and be counted, front a TV camera on live national television, who is able to think on his feet and give valid constructive rebuttal not good enough in your book then?

[Laxi]

just watched it! Ixion you're a bloody legend, left acc having made a commitment to handing over stats that they dont want to, they may notdo it but then they're going to come of looking like lying coonts, so well done that man :niceone:

[Quasievil]

Would you like me to teleport you back in time?


Now your just being silly, you dont have a teleport machine, otherwise we would assume you would take the easy way out and use it :whistle:

[Maha]

where the ACC guy kept stumbling and repeating himself.

Have you ever heard Katman speak??....:calm:

I was on TV last night and the only comment I got was via text saying 'sit down ya wally'...:beer: so im out of the running it seems also....:weep:

[Laxi]

tattooed dreadlocked bruisers with an antisocial attitude
sinny! hes picking on you:lol:

[The Pastor]

I just watched the video and I cannot fault les in the slightest. He came across very well in a clear and concise manner. What I particularly enjoyed was the way the ACC guy looked angry and not nice sorta as the im out to get ya, where les came across as a normal kiwi bloke.

Top form.

[Big Dave]

Mr Ixion has the brain we need and the meeting running experience.

At the moment I agree with him being our dad too. I also agree that Ms Klingon is an engaging person and would encourage her to also accept the microphone. If she and Ixion can work out a double act I'm sure Vegas beckons. Boas and all.

We (Ix) have had numerous discussions as to who should be our flag bearer / face. We wish a high profile individual would step up to the plate. Please.

Till we have that champion - let's back Dad.

[MadDuck]

I was on TV last night and the only comment I got was via text saying 'sit down ya wally'...:beer: so im out of the running it seems also....:weep:

I was stood next to you and am sure I saw myself on the TV.

Must say I thought they were talking to me then realised no one would call me a "Wally" but you Maha...well....;)

[JimO]

http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/angry-bikers-storm-capital-3089877/video

thanks Mr Evil

[peasea]

just watched it! Ixion you're a bloody legend, left acc having made a commitment to handing over stats that they dont want to, they may notdo it but then they're going to come of looking like lying coonts, so well done that man :niceone:

What he said, I reckon Ixion did well and under immense pressure. I don't think I'd want to be on national television (or is that National Television?) with a very limited timeframe to deliver my (our) message.

Mark Sainsbury's a cock.

[MadDuck]

Till we have that champion - let's back Dad.

Dads got my vote


Mark Sainsbury's a cock.

Actually I thought he was better than the interviewer on Campbell Live

[Maha]

OMG Les, when was the last time they Rugby at the Basin reserve?.....:2thumbsup

[MadDuck]

OMG Les, when was the last time they Rugby at the Basin reserve?.....:2thumbsup

Shhhhssssss...bikers dont do rugby k?

[mynameis]

Sold a Tshirt to someone in Maori TV today, we also sold shirts to England as well as a few Labour Party @parliment.govt.nz email address holders.............................no Im not saying who.

:whistle: doo be doo be d0o0o :D On ya mate ;)


I vote this thread be burned, the ashes ground up, mixed with petrol and burned again.

Arguing about who is or isn't the best pin-up for the battle against the evil acc is rubbish, if the non-motorcyclist public was to read this, what would their impression be ?

United we stand, divided we get bum fucked by acc..

LOl @ divided we get part....:lol:


You seen this ?



Here
http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/angry-bikers-storm-capital-3089877/video

Yes that's what we've been talking about all night. And there was another one last night on Cambell Live TV 3 with Ixy on it.

[peasea]

Dads got my vote



Actually I thought he was better than the interviewer on Campbell Live

I'd say that Campbell is a bigger cock but he's shorter than Sainsbury and I can't recall the last time I watched Campbell Live, it's consistently irritating.

[peasea]

[QUOTE=mynameis;1129474810]:whistle: doo be doo be d0o0o :D QUOTE]

OOH LOOK! Ten cents worth of Sinatra.

Ah, the memories.....

[ital916]

Im tired of suits talking shit. Good on ya les for getting up there and representing us. You did a bloody good job, I only wish you had more time to hang acc with their own bullshit.

[ynot slow]

Haven't seen the episode tonight,but watched last night on TV3,came over fine but nervous and rightly so(hell I used to do pre-recorded sports reports for Saturday radio and was hard work).

If anyone has a valid camera friendly articulate person who can voice the cause please advise,I'm sure Les will give all the info and step aside if required.

Till then shut the fuck up critics.He has spoken in general people speak which is understood by all,not the PR speak the corporation uses,and puts the issues accross in a non emotive way,but pleads the cause to all willing to listen.

[sinfull]

:Yes that's what we've been talking about all night. And there was another one last night on Cambell Live TV 3 with Ixy on it.
No way ???

[sinfull]

I'd say that Campbell is a bigger cock but he's shorter than Sainsbury and I can't recall the last time I watched Campbell Live, it's consistently irritating.Awww seriously ? Where else would you get a stutter written into the script ?

Haven't seen the episode tonight,but watched last night on TV3,came over fine but nervous and rightly so(hell I used to do pre-recorded sports reports for Saturday radio and was hard work).

If anyone has a valid camera friendly articulate person who can voice the cause please advise,I'm sure Les will give all the info and step aside if required.

Till then shut the fuck up critics.He has spoken in general people speak which is understood by all,not the PR speak the corporation uses,and puts the issues accross in a non emotive way,but pleads the cause to all willing to listen.
Nah who'd want to replace a pit bull with a laborador in a dog fight ???

[lee.j]

Smart first post mate - NOT !!
Yes I think so :)

[SARGE]

KB is now offically to big and to full of dickheads.

wow .. bit slow on the uptake there quasi?.. i been saying that for years ..;)

[outlawtorn]

not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

Dude, you shoulda done a wee bit more research before you go blabbling your fucking mouth off like that.....now you look like a complete shitstick....so go an register yourself a new name on Kiwibikers and we can pretend you never spoke such shite!

[davebullet]

Mrs. B and I watched Les on TV. Thought he looked like a regular guy - not a hoon. I thought Les' best comment was when he said imagine you've just had a 300% increase in a fee (doesn't matter what its about). This comment alone would strike a chord with the masses as sharp increases (be it petrol, milk, cheese etc...) have affected us all.

Job well done (and good stats to boot).

[PrincessBandit]

Quite frankly I think the woman who spoke at the meeting last night would be far better suited to the job.

Ah but would Klingon want the job? I agree she would be great, but BRONZ is a team effort and all of them are important for the role they face on our behalf.

[FJRider]

None to bright, are you Graham?



We need to get the general public to support us. That is the whole idea of media coverage. I feel that there must be a better spokesperson for our cause.

So bleat on ... on a "general public" website. Not this one.

[SARGE]

Ah. Somebody gets it.

We need the public on our side. At this stage anyway. The public perception of bikers is all too often tattooed dreadlocked bruisers with an antisocial attitude. Well, the sooner they are priced off the road the better says Joe Q Public , that deep and incisive thinker. Or smarmy yuppies who can easily afford to pay what for the damage their toys do. Make them pay their fair sahre, why should I subsidise them, says Joe Q.

But a gentle unthreatening old man, just like Dad ?

There will eb a time for a switch to an agressive mode. But not yet.

i'd volunteer to do it Les but i doubt i'd be as eloquent as you were ..


pretty sure my 15 minutes would be sprinkled with copious amounts of FUCK, CUNT, ASSHOLE and DOUCHEBAG..

along with the fact im a hairy tattooed antisocial malcontent

[FJRider]

wow .. bit slow on the uptake there quasi?.. i been saying that for years ..;)

BUGGER ... out of bling fella.

Later ...

[XJ75029R]

[At the end of the day we are dealing with the most honourable in the country. There are no hidden agendas and Politicians can be trusted implicitly.]
Well that’s how it should be, but in the real world having the biggest voice works best. The challenge is 62 million, the answer is, spread it evenly, $40 approx per vehicle. Or is the privatisation issue the real one.
Has every biker sent messages of discontent to their local MP, to the list MP’s , to the Honourable Minister Of Transport and the PM?? ps letters are free post why not flood parliment and alll MP's offices??
As a last retort don’t shoot the messenger you may be the next one!
Bike on forever
JOhn

[Pedrostt500]

OMG Les, when was the last time they Rugby at the Basin reserve?.....:2thumbsup


Used to be Athletic Park in Newtown, its a retirement village now.

[FJRider]

along with the fact im a hairy tattooed antisocial malcontent

and thats you're good side ...... :dodge:

[PrincessBandit]

I thought Ixion's mild mannered approach should have appealed to a general population who would have expected some be-leathered heavy-booted creature to speak in biker jargon. Instead they saw and heard a quiet man, complete with a very twee vest/cardy? who wasn't at all what they probably expected, espceially with Sainsbury's intro about "making bikers angry" bait.

[Dean]

You did great Ixion, for all the bikers in Aotearoa, mana, you got my support all the way, screw this troll. Kia Kaha

[merv]

Well done Ixion, and crikey what a bunch of knockers here. Why don't all you negative people go knock over someone else's poppies?

[Pussy]

general population who would have expected some be-leathered heavy-booted creature to speak in biker jargon.

We don't all dress up like you, PB.....

[SARGE]

BUGGER ... out of bling fella.

Later ...

meh .. whenever

[PrincessBandit]

We don't all dress up like you, PB.....

Hehehe, well I do like my leather, and my bike boots are pretty heavy!

All we ever seem to see of bikers on tv are either gang members or black leathered creatures straight from biker movies from the 70s. It was refreshing to see a "Clark Kent" version.

[BMWST?]

Yeah, we can all sit around and blow smoke up Ixions arse all night if we like.

Don't be mistaken. Most of you are fighting for a few extra dollars being taken out of your pockets. Some of us are fighting for a whole lot more.

All I'm saying is we need the best person for the job. If you don't like my opinion tough shit.

Who is your man of the moment.Where is he,what does he do ,what does he know amd most importantly WHO does he know.If you do not have these answers please tell me that you know someone who knows of this saint who will save us.Until your man reveals himself i will stick with Mr Mason

"Some of us are fighting for a whole lot more." Pray tell....

[Katman]

I also agree that Ms Klingon is an engaging person and would encourage her to also accept the microphone.

I too would seriously hope that Klingon takes on a more public role.

I think she carried herself very well at last nights meeting and I think a woman presenting our case would go down extremely well with the public.

[caseye]

Sorry Katman, this time you are definitely not with the programme, you don't have to be, thats your right.
But here and now Ixion/Les is our front man our total and unconditional support for him is paramount.
Amazing job there Les, 100% from here mate.

[Katman]

Sorry Katman, this time you are definitely not with the programme, you don't have to be, thats your right.
But here and now Ixion/Les is our front man our total and unconditional support for him is paramount.
Amazing job there Les, 100% from here mate.

Ixion's great for rallying the motorcycling troops.

Rallying the public should be someone elses job.

[StoneY]

Normally I dont mind what you say even agreeing with some of it but you just pissed me off.

Now I see you are an utter pillock. You get on some fucking high horse like you know what you are on about but really you are some idiot that hides behind a computer bitching on like you are higher than god. I never actually see you trying to publicise this or any pother cause. All you do is bitch about bikers on this site, nor have I seen you on TV, radio etc doing anything to help rally people etc so why dont your just pack up and shift your loser fucking whinging else where.

Well done Ixon, you did a fantastic job! Thanks for standing up for me, I couldn't be more greatful!

Best post of the tread!

LES mate.... oh mate well done

Salutations, fuckin AWESOME
Perfect
No Professional Media presenter could have POSSIBLY caught our needs and tone better

KATMAN you really can be a totally anal retentive fuckhead at times and agreeing with the smurf that started this thread makes you irretrievably beyond any respect I could ever have shown you

Tonight I hosted a meeting that had HOG, Ulysses, WIMA and our own Nasty all basically IN tune and moving forward
Les was on TV, and mate that was FUCKING awesome Les

What the hell have you arranged as yet KM?
WHAT

Dont diss Les for being himself on National TV

If you were best mates with Canpbell him self, and he would do it in leathers and sitting on my Ducati, I would still have picked Les


Unite KB
15-17 November

We can win, we already have a real strong public case.....
My BOSS hates motorcycles with a passion, and he is on our side
I had cars holler 'ACC SUX ASS' at me all over the Valley these last few days

Its gonna happen folks......

There are 2 dirt cheap Ferry deals each way for our Southern contingent (thanks guys huge commitment)

The numbers we are hearing from Aucks is awesome!!!!

KB, tonight I am PROUD of Les, and all of you who are DOING it

Rest of you can fuck off, I wouldnt let ya lick my cheese off

[Owl]

Les did a great job of chairing a great meeting last night, but he is not the confident public face that our campaign needs on TV.

How about Sinfull then?:D

[klingon]

Mark Sainsbury's a cock.

He's also a biker. Maybe he was over-compenating in his attempts to be fair?


Haven't seen the episode tonight,but watched last night on TV3,came over fine but nervous and rightly so(hell I used to do pre-recorded sports reports for Saturday radio and was hard work)...

It's worth watching tonight's Close Up on line if you get the chance. Last night (Campbell Live) was one of the most challenging situations an interviewee can find themselves in - talking at a piece of machinery while the interviewer is somewhere else altogether. It can make the most confident speaker look shifty and uncomfortable.

On Close up this evening Ixion did us all proud. He's my hero :)


I too would seriously hope that Klingon takes on a more public role...

Thank you, I appreciate your vote of confidence. I would like to make it absolutely clear that I would not have done as good a job as Ixion on the telly tonight. He has a level of knowledge, experience and wisdom that I can only hope to have by the time I am as ancient as him. :dodge:

[SARGE]

i think we have a new KB Record .. 2 posts and already on my ignore list .. #492

right next to Katman and the Fewer Morons

[chef]

i thought he did a great job, looked a bit nervy but who wouldnt, well done.
whens the protest?!

[StoneY]

Well done Ixion, and crikey what a bunch of knockers here. Why don't all you negative people go knock over someone else's poppies?

Merv, your awesome
Nice post dude

[Mikkel]

But here and now Ixion/Les is our front man our total and unconditional support for him is paramount.

Yes, but as you know - praise from your mother is not worth that much, but you better keep your ears open when she passes you criticism.

Patting Les' back just because you feel we should provide "unconditional support" is unhelpful. Providing honest and to-the-point feedback is paramount - especially if he is going to be the one representing the bikers' case in this.

All of that said, bloody good effort from Les. Yes, he appeared somewhat nervous - but hell, he kept it together nicely and was both tactful and direct in his address. I can't see what else we could possibly want - except more exposure.

[sinfull]

How about Sinfull then?:D

Cunny funt aint ya !!! You know i can't go up against my boss !!!

[dipshit]

He's also a biker. Maybe he was over-compenating in his attempts to be fair?

To get the good answers, you need to ask the hard questions. ;)

[sinfull]

i think we have a new KB Record .. 2 posts and already on my ignore list .. #492

right next to Katman and the Fewer MoronsYou have 492 ppl on your ignore list ??? Cut it out lol do you not like a good debate ???

[SARGE]

You have 492 ppl on your ignore list ??? Cut it out lol do you not like a good debate ???

love a good debate with sentient beings with IQ's over that of pond scum


arguing with douchebags?.. not my idea of a great Saturday night


and i recently went thru my list and removed about 90 because they dont come on anymore

[Horse]

Just watched it at TVNZ Ondemand. I thought Ixion did a good job, he came across as a real person vs the suited corporate drone from ACC. And hammering him on the figures was important - that "highschool maths" line from Weds night is a good one, don't be afraid to reuse it in every interview.

I work in TV so I'd like to offer a couple of tips - when you're doing a live with a reporter, like CloseUp tonight, it really helps to watch your eyeline - ie where you're looking. Whenever you're talking, talk to the reporter, lock your eyes on him. You're supposed to talk straight into the camera if you're addressing the guy in the remote studio (ie the ACC GM) but in a multi-camera studio you're not always going to pick up on which is the live camera, so it's best to ignore the cameras, ignore the big-screen TV showing the other guy, and just talk to Sainsbury. "Well Mark, despite what Mr Wossiname just said, here are the real figures...."

In a remote live setup like you had last night for 3 with their SNG kit, keep your focus straight down the camera. Non-professionals always find this hard, but you're most effective when you're looking straight into the lens. Don't think you're addressing a large audience, it's about 1-on-1 conversation.

If you do a taped interview during the day, for use on that night's news, you should eyeball the reporter/interviewer, not the camera. I know it's a conflicting set of arbitrary rules, but that's how TV works.

[The Stranger]

I also don't think he's doing us any favours.

Bronz need to find a public figurehead more comfortable with the role.

Ask not what BRONZ can do for you, but what you can do for BRONZ.
Seriously it is ONLY ever going to be what YOU make it.
By all means get stuck in and make it happen.

[igormortis]

I work in TV so I'd like to offer a couple of tips -

Good on you for offering this up - as a screen media guy myself, I'll testify that it's good stuff. But perhaps forward it on to Les himself. I don't think the title of this thread is especially encouraging for him to be browsing.

And kudos to him for keeping cool in the pressure cooker of the TV studio. It's much, much harder than you imagine, guys.

[retro asian]

Best thing about Les, was that he was prepared. ACC guy was obviously not. That took him by surprise.

[StoneY]

Ask not what BRONZ can do for you, but what you can do for BRONZ.
Seriously it is ONLY ever going to be what YOU make it.
By all means get stuck in and make it happen.

Yep, agreed (not often that happens Stranger....)


Good on you for offering this up - as a screen media guy myself, I'll testify that it's good stuff. But perhaps forward it on to Les himself. I don't think the title of this thread is especially encouraging for him to be browsing.

And kudos to him for keeping cool in the pressure cooker of the TV studio. It's much, much harder than you imagine, guys.

And there ya have it

Ixion rocks, star biker personality of the year!
:niceone:

[TOTO]

I think the Interview was fantastic. Wel done Ixion. That prick in the suit looked so dumb when he was directly confronted.

+1 vote for Uncle Les :)

+1 vote for Ms Klingon too :niceone:

[scissorhands]

First time I've seen Les Mason and I'm dead set sure hes a good man and good for us. Initially you kind of stepback and then warm forward. He seems much brighter than most people and mentally very agile in the snake pit.

The public of New Zealand is a beast of magnificent proportions. Best we keep Les to tame the monster. Stinking thieves and liars our destroying freedom and democracy.

Who else will say "I will slay this dragon?"

A woman biker next to Les would be a good idea.

Also a Mr Suit lawyer jabbering on about fairness, and Mr Suit accountant on our side would look good too.

At the end of the day, will the battlefront be on the street? In the hands of everyone....

I have visited some other bikers this week to rouse and inspire, and even if its true that some of them are maybe not worth saving, at least not now, some things in life are.

Good on you Les.

[Thaeos]

I thought it was good. Obviously there were more points that could/should/would have been nice to have put across, but considering the way it's controlled and the short length of the segment he did really well.

[Blue TLS]

Well done Ixion you came across as a Burt Monroe type and raised images of a tinkering in the garage and polishing in the driveway typical kiwi bloke, exactly the kind of person joe public can identify with. And exactly the impression we need to make right now.

For those that dont understand the heart of this matter is the false economics being spouted by the Nats and ACC, if we want the public to believe the figures we are telling them we need to gain their trust and Les looks as trustworthy as anyone I've ever met. Think about who you would trust and the rest should fall into place.

[discotex]

One has to laugh at the ACC rebuttal to the comment that this supposed cross subsidy of $70 x 3 million car regos is way in excess of the stated figures for motorcycle claims.

"blah blah Ernest and Young blah blah so I have no doubt the figures are correct".

Well done Mr ACC... :lol:



As for the thread itself... Looks like we have our "face of the biker" sorted but as Ixion himself said we do need the slick media person to get the soundbites in if we want to keep up momentum.

Someone like this ideally... http://www.safermotorways.co.uk/feature31_video_003.htm

[Brian d marge]

Just watched it at TVNZ Ondemand. I thought Ixion did a good job, he came across as a real person vs the suited corporate drone from ACC. And hammering him on the figures was important - that "highschool maths" line from Weds night is a good one, don't be afraid to reuse it in every interview.

I work in TV so I'd like to offer a couple of tips - when you're doing a live with a reporter, like CloseUp tonight, it really helps to watch your eyeline - ie where you're looking. Whenever you're talking, talk to the reporter, lock your eyes on him. You're supposed to talk straight into the camera if you're addressing the guy in the remote studio (ie the ACC GM) but in a multi-camera studio you're not always going to pick up on which is the live camera, so it's best to ignore the cameras, ignore the big-screen TV showing the other guy, and just talk to Sainsbury. "Well Mark, despite what Mr Wossiname just said, here are the real figures...."

In a remote live setup like you had last night for 3 with their SNG kit, keep your focus straight down the camera. Non-professionals always find this hard, but you're most effective when you're looking straight into the lens. Don't think you're addressing a large audience, it's about 1-on-1 conversation.

If you do a taped interview during the day, for use on that night's news, you should eyeball the reporter/interviewer, not the camera. I know it's a conflicting set of arbitrary rules, but that's how TV works.

Can you put that in the resource thread , as well as any other good ideas , because there maybe a few others doing the on tv thing

thats some good advice

Stephen

[Number One]

Talk about trying to be as popular as a fart in a lift!

Given that Ixion was having to deal with a COMPLETE twat reporter with a complete innability to listen (obviously good reporting credentials) he did marvelously. Given his contribution throughout this forum, I tend to think there arent many others I would want above him as a representative.

You on the other hand sir, have made a rather short sighted cunt of yourself...not dissimilar to the aforementioned reporter.

Nice post ;) and as I can't be arsed reading any more bollocky tall poppy syndrome bullshit ...seems as per usual there are plenty of whingers willing to pick holes in the efforts of others but there aren't many of them coming forward OR offering much helpful to the situation - Put up or shut up as MIXONE said.

On the note of the item last night I would just like to say....IXION...I know what you look like :blip:

Seriously though - Well done chap - loved it when you challenged him on the 'cost' of the release of the figures and then stated you wanted the detail BEHIND them too. That ACC guy was totally unconvincing I thought.

...good stuff.

[Pixie]

There's a whole heap of hmmmm ing going on....

I think he is constipated.Try some prunes Namey

[Damon]

Sorry, can't be bothered reading through the last 12 pages, but...


not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

:rofl: have you seen the limp coverage we've received so far?

Ixion your awesome! I loved the way you got right to the point and then stuck it to him at the end when you told him we've asked for his data and ACC told us it would cost $10,000! hahaha "oh ah ah ah....I find that hard to belive" :lol::lol::lol:

by the way the guy from Campbell live promised you his figures the other night too, have you had any luck getting those?

[NighthawkNZ]

by the way the guy from Campbell live promised you his figures the other night too, have you had any luck getting those?

campbell live figures will be the fudged ones from ACC we want and need the core database files and data (untouched or altered)

[Pixie]

Ah. Somebody gets it.

We need the public on our side. At this stage anyway. The public perception of bikers is all too often tattooed dreadlocked bruisers with an antisocial attitude. Well, the sooner they are priced off the road the better says Joe Q Public , that deep and incisive thinker. Or smarmy yuppies who can easily afford to pay what for the damage their toys do. Make them pay their fair sahre, why should I subsidise them, says Joe Q.

But a gentle unthreatening old man, just like Dad ?

There will eb a time for a switch to an agressive mode. But not yet.
And at some stage there may be a need for a whining,negative pillock.
And Lee.J and Katman can apply

[Pixie]

Take 20 yrs off and a slightly bigger hammer and i might well have been worried lol

Lets not take Katmans posts to out of context, he DID NOT bag Ixion, he merely stated he felt there COULD have been a better person for the job !!


Barrack and The Pope both had prior engagements

[MacD]

Well done Ixion you came across as a Burt Monroe type and raised images of a tinkering in the garage and polishing in the driveway typical kiwi bloke, exactly the kind of person joe public can identify with. And exactly the impression we need to make right now.

For those that dont understand the heart of this matter is the false economics being spouted by the Nats and ACC, if we want the public to believe the figures we are telling them we need to gain their trust and Les looks as trustworthy as anyone I've ever met. Think about who you would trust and the rest should fall into place.

Exactly my sentiments.

[Pixie]

None to bright, are you Graham?

I'm not trying to get anyone on here to support me. Any motorcyclist that doesn't oppose what ACC are proposing would be rather out of the ordinary.

We need to get the general public to support us. That is the whole idea of media coverage. I feel that there must be a better spokesperson for our cause.
The general public will at best remain indifferent.The best we can do is make the politicians consider the loss of our votes and the rise of some awkward and damaging public disobedience,and the ACC the loss of good PR.

[Teflon]

Ah. Somebody gets it.

We need the public on our side. At this stage anyway. The public perception of bikers is all too often tattooed dreadlocked bruisers with an antisocial attitude. Well, the sooner they are priced off the road the better says Joe Q Public , that deep and incisive thinker. Or smarmy yuppies who can easily afford to pay what for the damage their toys do. Make them pay their fair sahre, why should I subsidise them, says Joe Q.

But a gentle unthreatening old man, just like Dad ?

There will eb a time for a switch to an agressive mode. But not yet.

Nice one man!

I'm glad youre representing us and not some queer choir boy who's worried about his helmet hair....

[MSTRS]

There IS no right person for the job that Ixion did. Except Ixion, perhaps. Sure he was nervous and a bit 'stiff'... So? He never got rattled, he never got emotional, he did not let a thing the talking head said slip past unchallenged and disproved. Barb after barb struck home, and no answer from the ACC chief. And just how much of the country got to see a very ordinary late-middle aged Kiwi defend a whole class of road users in a clearly dispassionate, well-informed manner? Paired with the stumbling, inept handing of a media opportunity for ACC to put their case? "The figures have been sent to Australia for checking..." ?? FFS
Ixion - you done super good, old fella.

[Okey Dokey]

thanks Ixion!

[Waxxa]

First of all, thank you Les for standing up for our community.

second, thank you Les for fronting up on TV two nights running and calmly stating our concerns.

The right person for this role is someone who is calm, patient and analytical, Les is doing exactly that.

So let us all get in behind and support Les, KBers.

Once again, thank you Les, fantastic work.

[Max Headroom]

I've tried to show some interest in biker politics in the past, but I just could'nt get excited about it. Close friends have been involved with BRONZ for years which has allowed me a window into some of the battles they have fought over the years, but I figured i didn't have the right temperament for wading through all the associated bullsh!t. (Speaking of which, i feel like I deserve a medal for wading through the 12 pages of this thread . . . . )

Anyhoo, I went to the BRONZ meeting on Wednesday evening, partly to show some solidarity for BRONZ and partly to get a better handle on what we're dealing with. Trying to find useful information on KB is a mission, and one fraught with frustration. I'd met Ixion previously on a BFTP ride earlier this year, and was mildly amused at the sight of him in a suit - kinda looked like a struggling small town undertaker - but he rapidly gained my respect with the fair and focussed manner in which he dealt with a disgruntled and diverse group united only by a tenuous cord, namely a common enemy.

I've watched both TV interviews on line, and agree that he looked like an unlikely spokesperson on TV3, but the interview with Sainsbury on TV1 was exactly what motorcyclists needed: someone with a clear, sharp mind and a complete absence of attitude. All one gets in a brief interview is the opportunity for a Tua-like jab or two, and Ixion took that opportunity with clarity and purpose. Mr ACC looked just like the overpaid civil servant he is.

Right now, a frontman who looks comfortable in his own skin, has clarity of thought and a slightly cynical outlook on life is ideal for leading this cause.

Ixion, I dips m'lid to you sir.

[scissorhands]

Bagging Sainsbury and others on our side (or not) is not a good thing

[Pixie]

Ask not what BRONZ can do for you, but what you can do for BRONZ.
Seriously it is ONLY ever going to be what YOU make it.
By all means get stuck in and make it happen.

Ich bin ein Bronzliner
(I am a Bronz donut)

[Clockwork]

I havn't yet seen the interview yet but good or bad, it makes no odds. You stood up to be counted for us. Credit where it's due. Thanks.

[325rocket]

And at some stage there may be a need for a whining,negative pillock.
And Lee.J and Katman can apply


it is possible that Lee.J / Katman and the ACC GM are in fact the same person ... has anyone ever seen all 3 in the same room?

[Subike]

Has anyone given any thought to some finacial assistance from us as a group for Ixion?
If we want to have Ixon as the front person for us in this battle, then he will need funds, to expect him to cover his exspences soley out of his own pocket is not a fair deal.
Is there a fund set up specifically for this with an online bank account?
Ixon did an awsome job with the media on TV1,we need the information they promised and the man to lead us.
I am not in a position to do anything other than offer finacial support ,
as such the rest of the body of bikers could chip in some cash and let the head (Ixon) do what is needed on our behalf.
I feel that in this case, that the fund should be seperate to Bronz.

[Badjelly]

Given that this thread is entitled "Not impressed with spokesman", I have a couple of thoughts:
Les/Ixion appeared on Close Up as a spokesperson for BRONZ, I believe. BRONZ members (of which I am not one) are quite entitled to criticise his performance. BUT
Unless I've missed it in this long and rapidly growing thread, neither of the two people I have seen criticising Ixion (lee.j and Katman) have said why they're not impressed. Duh.

[Nitzer]

Just watched the clip, Ixion did very well indeed.

I've extracted the clip from the interview as a WMP file, it's around 30MB. I would upload it to the thread, but not sure if I can do this given it's file type and size.....maybe some more seasoned KBers can advise....

[StoneY]

Has anyone given any thought to some finacial assistance from us as a group for Ixion?
If we want to have Ixon as the front person for us in this battle, then he will need funds, to expect him to cover his exspences soley out of his own pocket is not a fair deal.
Is there a fund set up specifically for this with an online bank account?
Ixon did an awsome job with the media on TV1,we need the information they promised and the man to lead us.
I am not in a position to do anything other than offer finacial support ,
as such the rest of the body of bikers could chip in some cash and let the head (Ixon) do what is needed on our behalf.
I feel that in this case, that the fund should be seperate to Bronz.

I would guess BRONZ have a bank account we could contribute too via the club treasury, and also imagine that could be used to fund Ixion's adventures on our behalf??

If not, lets get one set up with Ixion as sole signatory and let him use it as required in our cause

I for one am happy to contribute, and join BRONZ as well
;)

[igormortis]

Just watched the clip, Ixion did very well indeed.

I've extracted the clip from the interview as a WMP file, it's around 30MB. I would upload it to the thread, but not sure if I can do this given it's file type and size.....maybe some more seasoned KBers can advise....

Perhaps upload to YouTube, then embed it here?

[Quasievil]

it is possible that Lee.J / Katman and the ACC GM are in fact the same person ... has anyone ever seen all 3 in the same room?

yes but only got a picture of katman, then ran

http://imagecloset.com/19/3426707591362d06d2a21bcead1e669c/Welcome%20To%20The%20Internet.jpg

[k2w3]

my eyes, my eyes!

[k2w3]

I thought he came across really well. "everyman" style. It worked, and the ACC fellow was on the back foot. His initial stmt was "by the book" (to be expected). Your $10k retort was PERFECTLY timed.

[Katman]

Since none of you (except Horse) have been able to figure it out, I'll spell it out for you.

Nervousness is one thing. Nervousness coupled with shifty eyes suggests someone is hiding something.

We all know that Ixion isn't hiding anything but it's not us that Ixion needs to be convincing. It is the non-motorcycling public.

As Mikkel said, praise from your mother doesn't really count for much.

[PuppetMaster]

I do believe it is this interview you are talking about.

http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/s2009-10-22-video-3082363

[Horse]

Katman, don't sweat the small stuff. Seriously.

The advice I gave was to enable him to do it better next time, if he wants. But think about the narrative, this is "man in the street vs the faceless bureaucracy", and for that you actually want the kind of "everyman" persona Ixion displayed. It helps that he's not acting, that's his real self.

[klingon]

Since none of you (except Horse) have been able to figure it out, I'll spell it out for you.

Nervousness is one thing. Nervousness coupled with shifty eyes suggests someone is hiding something.

We all know that Ixion isn't hiding anything but it's not us that Ixion needs to be convincing. It is the non-motorcycling public.

As Mikkel said, praise from your mother doesn't really count for much.

The solution to this issue is not to throw Ixion out with the bathwater, though! The solution is to give him more support, guidance, positive criticism and helpful feedback, as has been offered by others in this thread.

As mentioned by previous posters, he was making the common error of looking at the camera and trying to spot which one was on at the time. He has now been advised to talk directly to the interviewer and I'm sure he will do that from now on.

Problem solved.

[PuppetMaster]

And having now watched it, I thought Ixion did a reasonable job. I did think he should have interupted the ACC numpty a couple of times to point out his blatant lyes, but otherwise, thanks Ixion.

[Bounce001]

Thanks Ixion for a great job last night :2thumbsup. To all those who criticise if you are not going to do it yourself SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Ixion took on a difficult job but did really well. Someone needs to be a face and voice and I think he did great.

[Tubbsy]

My criticism is that we received such a laughable amount of time to talk about such a contentious issue!!!! What the hell was that about....blink and you'd have missed it.

[86GSXR]

I do believe it is this interview you are talking about.

http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/s2009-10-22-video-3082363

Just watched it and I thought Les did a great job. He didn't waver or stumble like the ACC boss, he was clearly informed, and was more than capable of reversing the spin put on the numbers by ACC. Well done Ixion.

[MSTRS]

Most of us agree that Ixion did a very credible job (and no-one is prepared to offer, with proof, that they could do any better).
In terms of that, and in terms of the ACC talking head, and in terms of what he was saying in terms of increases being necessary, did anyone notice that Ixion never repeated a single thing?

[Supermac Jr]

I showed the clip around the office (non-bikers) and the feedback was great! Most said that the points were made clearly and that the ACC guy didn't have a clue.
One guy said: "the biker dude knows what he's talking about"

[slofox]

There are always knockers, aren't there. Always someone to criticise the best efforts of others.

Usually the knockers are the ones who sit back on their arses doing nothing while others get out and do the work. We're all A grade players when we're in the gallery, eh...

The only good knockers are the ones on the girlies. The rest need a good kick up the arse.

Ixion, you did a great job. Thanks mate.

[Morcs]

Whoa the original poster has got 33 reds for starting this topic. Got to be a new record or something.

[pete376403]

Since none of you (except Horse) have been able to figure it out, I'll spell it out for you.

Nervousness is one thing. Nervousness coupled with shifty eyes suggests someone is hiding something.

We all know that Ixion isn't hiding anything but it's not us that Ixion needs to be convincing. It is the non-motorcycling public.

As Mikkel said, praise from your mother doesn't really count for much.

While I wasn't in the studio so cannot be 100% about this, I think the "shifty eyes" you refer to is Ixion/Les looking at the monitor the ACC guy was on and then looking back to Sainsbury. You'll note that Sainsbury also turned in that direction when asking questions.
(ACC guy looked pretty shifty himself, and he only had to look at one camera)

[Eng_dave]

I have to admit I thought Len did a good job but i also understand media, wants and needs. I think if the spokes woman would have been the lady taking names at the meeting it would have been so far removed from what people consider "Bikers" to be it would have had more impact. Sorry Len.:whistle:

[Swoop]

Nice work Ix!

Having a "professional frontperson" is one thing, but having someone who knows what the issues are and is able to debate the points and nitty-gritty, is another.

Just talk to the interviwer and ignore the cameras being there (as much as possible!).


Since none of you (except Horse) have been able to figure it out, I'll spell it out for you.

Nervousness is one thing. Nervousness coupled with shifty eyes suggests someone is hiding something.
Have you ever been in a studio with several cameras in action?
Ix came across as a genuine person in a studio environment.

[PZR]

I have to admit I thought Len did a good job but I also understand media, wants and needs. I think if the spokes woman would have been the lady taking names at the meeting it would have been so far removed from what people consider "Bikers" to be it would have had more impact. Sorry Len.:whistle:
Yeh I am with you. I thought Len did an awesome job and I sure as hell couldnt have done that but that lady at the meeting would put a different public persona on it and she spoke well.
The public viewpoint is easily swayed and we need to have the best presenter we can find (no offence to Len). Can we find a actor type perhaps to present the public face of Bronze. Can we afford to pay someone? We need to do all we can to kick ACC arse and the person giving the interviews is what the public will perceive us to be. Its real important. It needs someone politically savy, good looking, interested in bikes, passionate and agressive when needed. I"m only 1 out of 5 for that CV and that does not include good looks
Again well done to Len good on you!!!!!!!! I was impressed.

[klingon]

Yeh I am with you. I thought Len did an awesome job and I sure as hell couldnt have done that but that lady at the meeting would put a different public persona on it and she spoke well.
The public viewpoint is easily swayed and we need to have the best presenter we can find (no offence to Len). Can we find a actor type perhaps to present the public face of Bronze. Can we afford to pay someone? We need to do all we can to kick ACC arse and the person giving the interviews is what the public will perceive us to be. Its real important. It needs someone politically savy, good looking, interested in bikes, passionate and agressive when needed. I"m only 1 out of 5 for that CV and that does not include good looks
Again well done to Len good on you!!!!!!!! I was impressed.

Thanks for the feedback but I disagree. I am "the lady at the meeting" and I would not have done the great job Les did. I would have been quickly revealed as a shallow spokesperson who was put there as a figurehead but has very little substance.

Les, on the other hand, has a depth of knowledge on the subject unrivalled by anyone else I know. Sure, he could do with more experience talking on camera (couldn't we all?!) but he has already learned a lot about that through this experience and will do a better and better job every time we see him in the media.

[vgcspares]

I've been on here long enough to not give a fuck what people think of me.


that's probably a very good thing

[Indiana_Jones]

NOM NOM NOM TROLL FOOD

-Indy

[Maha]

Ix came across as a genuine person in a studio environment.

Nice cardigan too, looked sort of Authentic Persian or Aztec dont ya think?..:calm:

[AllanB]

I've viewed the linky - I don't see an issue with the interview at all. In fact I think the general public would consider he put his case across well. I would have struggled not to interrupt as the ACC chap spewed froth his verbal garbage.
A point of note that is being ignored is that Motorcycles already pay considerably more than cars in ACC levies.

One thing that I feel is very important to note is the red bike is a Honda Hornet - :2thumbsup

[Reckless]

I thought he did very well!! Carry on Xion this must be taking up all your time!! The wandering eyes could be fixed up a bit but we learn as we go don't we! I don't have a problem with him representing me that's for sure!

I'd have loved to see him whip out the email or whatever with the 10K fee on it (get everything in writing Xion) that would have made the ACC guy look like a proper cock and a liar!!!

What I really wanted to say is:
One thing he doesn't need is the people he's representing to flipping well back stab him and undermine his confidence!!
I haven't seen one "I'll do it" post on here so far so put up or shut-up!!

[klingon]

I am receiving some surprising feedback this morning on Ixion's appearance last night - surprising because I am not asking for feedback, but people who know I ride a bike are just coming up to me to talk about it.

The unanimous verdict is that "the BRONZ guy" came across very well - friendly, down to earth, knowledgeable & wise. "The ACC guy" came across as someone who was not at all prepared and didn't know his subject.

The best thing is that this morning I am working in a well known film & television school. The approaches are coming from staff and students. They know their subject, they understand the challenges of the studio environment, and they are 100% impressed.

:D

[Mikkel]

One thing that I feel is very important to note is the red bike is a Honda Hornet - :2thumbsup

Yes, together with a scooter. It was a minority's bid for sympathy after all :devil2:

[Swoop]

Nice cardigan too, looked sort of Authentic Persian or Aztec dont ya think?..:calm:
Too close to home, really... Dad has several of them.:(

[Jizah]

thanks Ixion!

This ^ ^ ^

[Swoop]

39 neg reps for the thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php?u=26371)...

Friends
lee.j has not made any friends yet



Hmmm....

[jetboy]

haha I wonder why...


EDIT: D'oh beaten by 2min ^ I was making mine pretty

[TuonoTom]

Just saw the interview, great work Ixion!

[The Stranger]

I am "the lady at the meeting"

Lady? When did this happen? :dodge:

[Ixion]

Yes, together with a scooter. It was a minority's bid for sympathy after all :devil2:

I persuaded them about the scrotah. The chick who called me to arrange it said that they were going to have a bike on stage. And mentioned she rode a scrotah. Having the scrotah there was good, showed it wasn't just big bike riders that were affected and angry.

[pzkpfw]

Well, if we want to be mean about it:


not to sure about the spokesman on close up???
If thats the state of representation of the bike community where boned !!!

1. No capital on first line.
2. Single "o" in "too".
3. "close up" not well referenced.
4. Multiple punctuation ("???").
5. Missing apostrophe in "that's".
6. Use of "where" instead of "we're".
7. Inconsistent spacing ("boned(space)!!!" versus "up???").
8. Multiple punctuation ("!!!") again.

...but more seriously, take a step back: how many nay-sayers have there really been in this thread?

So far, I think we are pretty well united.

[Maha]

Too close to home, really... Dad has several of them.:(

Is Les your Dad?.....:dodge:

[BarBender]

Great job Les.

Rather than the usual wank on cult of personailty type, it was refreshing to see and hear someone different to what 'may have been percieved as a motorcyclist' who was prepared, sincere and came across as passionately standing up for something they believed in.

Too bad Mark Sainsbury did the interview...:rolleyes:

[Cr1MiNaL]

I only read 3 pages of drivel and then saw Quasi's (ps: u suck) tv3 news link. Les did a BRILLIANT job of demonstrating composure and assertiveness to the right tone and degree in his words. Mr ACC was like WTF not even answering the question asked...
Q: Will you look at this differently with 6000 bikers converging on the Capital Mr Acc?
A: Figures can be provided ramble ramble can you please repeat the question.

reminded me of a certain Miss Carolina http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

LOL OWNED.

[klingon]

Lady? When did this happen? :dodge:

I believe it would be unladylike to bash you with a mallet. :bash:

Therefore I will pull your hair and slap you instead. :girlfight:

[The Stranger]

Has anyone given any thought to some finacial assistance from us as a group for Ixion?
If we want to have Ixon as the front person for us in this battle, then he will need funds, to expect him to cover his exspences soley out of his own pocket is not a fair deal.
Is there a fund set up specifically for this with an online bank account?

I feel that in this case, that the fund should be seperate to Bronz.

Ixion is the BRONZ Auckland pres and his out of pocket costs will be covered by BRONZ in so far as they can. Obviously the more funds the more BRONZ can cover and the more they can do.
If anyone is interested I can supply account details.

[The Stranger]

I believe it would be unladylike to bash you with a mallet. :bash:

Therefore I will pull your hair and slap you instead. :girlfight:

I look forward to it. Both you finding some hair to pull and the spanking.

[Pussy]

Ixion is the BRONZ Auckland pres and his out of pocket costs will be covered by BRONZ in so far as they can. Obviously the more funds the more BRONZ can cover and the more they can do.
If anyone is interested I can supply account details.

And the more of us that join BRONZ, the better.
Household membership sub sent last week from here....

[Cr1MiNaL]

Ixion is the BRONZ Auckland pres and his out of pocket costs will be covered by BRONZ in so far as they can. Obviously the more funds the more BRONZ can cover and the more they can do.
If anyone is interested I can supply account details.

Can ya start up a thread with the account details or summat? I'll happily donate $20 to become a member and will help with what I can do physically i.e. rallies etc.

[klingon]

Can ya start up a thread with the account details or summat? I'll happily donate $20 to become a member and will help with what I can do physically i.e. rallies etc.

Try here www.bronz.org.nz

[Maha]

I believe it would be unladylike to bash you with a mallet. :bash:

Therefore I will pull your hair and slap you instead. :girlfight:

Pull his hair?......:whistle:

[The Stranger]

Can ya start up a thread with the account details or summat? I'll happily donate $20 to become a member and will help with what I can do physically i.e. rallies etc.

Will do, however I note Mom appears to be co-ordinating some of this here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=110747)

[Headbanger]

Well done.

Top 8 (of 39) negatively rep'ed posts
37 Not impressed with spokesman (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129474231#post1129474231)
2 Not impressed with spokesman (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129474873#post1129474873)

[klingon]

Well done.

Top 8 (of 39) negatively rep'ed posts
37 Not impressed with spokesman (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129474231#post1129474231)
2 Not impressed with spokesman (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129474873#post1129474873)

heh.
It started out as a troll thread and ended up as a "Les for Pres" thread. :2thumbsup

[Pussy]

heh.
It started out as a troll thread and ended up as a "Les for Pres" thread. :2thumbsup

... and Arthur for 2 ic! :)

[EJK]

Well done.

Top 8 (of 39) negatively rep'ed posts
37 Not impressed with spokesman (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129474231#post1129474231)
2 Not impressed with spokesman (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129474873#post1129474873)


And counting!

[Ixion]

Nice cardigan too, looked sort of Authentic Persian or Aztec dont ya think?


Oi ! Don't you diss my wooly pully. I inherited a bunch of them from my father-in-law when he died, and very warm and cosy they are, too. . And Mrs Ixion tells me its "Fair Isle", not anything from Forn Parts.

[Big Dave]

I blame Fish.

[Disco Dan]

Good on you Les - good to see you on the TV putting forth a good cause.

I think I'll wait a while before buying another bike though.. hehe :lol: I just renewed my cars registration... :whistle:

[Maha]

Oi ! Don't you diss my wooly pully. I inherited a bunch of them from my father-in-law when he died, and very warm and cosy they are, too. . And Mrs Ixion tells me its "Fair Isle", not anything from Forn Parts.

Fair Isle eh?....you sure she doesn't mean ferral?....:calm:

[AllanB]

Oi ! Don't you diss my wooly pully. I inherited a bunch of them from my father-in-law when he died, and very warm and cosy they are, too. . And Mrs Ixion tells me its "Fair Isle", not anything from Forn Parts.

I think the wooly was a good move - a cuddly fatherly figure is better representing us than the usual 'biker' image TV likes of a smelly-hairy-foulmouthed-toothless-lowbrow.

Of course apologies to any smelly-hairy-foulmouthed-toothless-lowbrow's on KB that I may have offended ............;) .... back to your porn........

[Ixion]

Fair Isle eh?....you sure she doesn't mean ferral?....:calm:

Apparently not. The derivation, I am advised, is from Fair Isle, one of the Shetland Isles off Scotland , where, I understand, the knitting of garments in such patterns is a traditional homecraft.

[Maha]

Apparently not. The derivation, I am advised, is from Fair Isle, one of the Shetland Isles off Scotland , where, I understand, the knitting of garments in such patterns is a traditional homecraft.

You certainly have a way with words, we needs someone like you to head the ACC bullshit.

[Katman]

Well done.

Top 8 (of 39) negatively rep'ed posts
37 Not impressed with spokesman (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129474231#post1129474231)
2 Not impressed with spokesman (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129474873#post1129474873)

Yep, that's pretty much the KiwiBiker way - shoot down anyone that has the audacity to have an opinion that differs from the mob.

[MSTRS]

It's not the difference of opinion that is the problem. No...that poster declared himself to be the enemy.

[twotyred]

great job Mr Ixion sir

[StoneY]

It's not the difference of opinion that is the problem. No...that poster declared himself to be the enemy.

Couldnt have said it better myself, thats gold that statement