My KTM 690 Adventure

[Night Falcon]

i only took you on the easy stuff...............:scooter:

when you coming back for the nasty stuff.......:devil2:

JMJ

I'll be back 4 sure the ridin over your way is sick man! :puke: Am planin a we sarfi of our own for youse fullas to enjoy over this way....watch this space:stoogie:

[junkmanjoe]

......:corn:..............this show going to start soon....:blink:.......:shit:......:gob:....
its one them nudey shows.............:facepalm:...

long weekend i got new tires..............

JMJ

[Night Falcon]

hummm nice thought but alas prior engagement


......:corn:..............this show going to start soon....:blink:.......:shit:......:gob:....soon young skywalker soon you are not a jedi yet :yes:

its one them nudey shows.............:facepalm:...only thing nudie is your rear tire

long weekend i got new tires.............. about time... that rear was slicker than a dancing banana :wari::

JMJ

[junkmanjoe]

yea it was starting to humm a nice tune but went quite when i cornered....dodgy mate..

JMJ

[Night Falcon]

Went for a ride over "Darkies Spur" awsome veiws, stinkin hot, lots of gravel...fast and slow, did I mention it was stinkin hot and dust...mate:gob:


the 9fiddy decided to stop for a bit in the hotest part of the valley with no shade!! after clearin its throat to no avail it turned out to be the stinkin fuel pump!! A quick clean of some connections managed to get her goin...but looks like a new pump is on the cards for jimbo!:yes::facepalm::yes:

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[10bikekid]

had a phone call from Cycletreads today...out of the blue....they have sourced the correct silencer and are sending it down...WELL DONE Cycletreads the sheep and cows will love you for it.:violin:

in the mean while....JMJ's tour of the eastside over the weekend was awsome. Plus discovered Route 52 from masterton to herbertville on the way home...no gravel but twisty, bike leanin, wrist turnin fun all the way home!!:corn:
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/DSC00090.jpg

NF, could you ask your friend what he thinks of his high screen, and Im wondering when KTM is going to bring out the 690ADV, they should sell ----loads

[junkmanjoe]

NF, could you ask your friend what he thinks of his high screen,


i reaily like my high screen.....jims bike is the other siliver one....umm i think....dam they all look the same.........:blink:

boys and toys at castlepoint.........round by the gap..

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_r4RTcX8Awjo/TKhDSys36-I/AAAAAAAAIaU/hGuN0EJzAyU/s912/IMG_0182.JPG

my touring screen...

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_r4RTcX8Awjo/TF4Yzga9ERI/AAAAAAAAILo/FK6Q4svAZEI/s640/IMG_0456.JPG

[10bikekid]

i reaily like my high screen.....jims bike is the other siliver one....umm i think....dam they all look the same.........:blink:

boys and toys at castlepoint.........round by the gap..

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_r4RTcX8Awjo/TKhDSys36-I/AAAAAAAAIaU/hGuN0EJzAyU/s912/IMG_0182.JPG

my touring screen...

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_r4RTcX8Awjo/TF4Yzga9ERI/AAAAAAAAILo/FK6Q4svAZEI/s640/IMG_0456.JPG

That picture is really annoying since I wasn't there :sick:

Could you please give me details, eg why you like it

Still annoyed I wasn't there :facepalm:

[Night Falcon]

I know nothink :shutup:

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2010-11-20134954.jpg

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2010-11-20135016.jpg

[Waihou Thumper]

Was that necessary? :shit: Tell the world already?........

[Night Falcon]

Was that necessary? :shit: Tell the world already?........

I anit told anyone anything....:innocent:.....but those roses sure look good don't ya think :corn:

[junkmanjoe]

them pink ones are orsome............very pretty..:love:..where would i find them kind sir.................................:facepalm:


JMJ

[Night Falcon]

my first ever attempt at video making...and sharing!:whocares:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYYuPulLSWM

[junkmanjoe]

and you wana take me out to the beach.......Hmmm


JMJ

[Night Falcon]

and you wana take me out to the beach.......Hmmm


JMJ

hehehe..... you'll be right....we aint drowned anyone yet...a couple of bikes maybe but definately not any riders :innocent:

[junkmanjoe]

Saturday is out for me mate..im coming up sunday to drop of your goodies...
i have to work to pay for me new toy....:yes:
-----------------------------------------------------
i hope you dont have this planed for me.....

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu123/extasyn/IMG_2878.jpg


JMJ

[Night Falcon]

My new second hand skiddy

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2010-12-09180458.jpg

[10bikekid]

What it like say compared to a standard full face ?

[junkmanjoe]

you got carpet in your shed........:blink:...

heading your way sunday...will pop in on our way home...we be in the cage..:facepalm:

JMJ

[Night Falcon]

What it like say compared to a standard full face ?

more snug fit around cheeks and lighter...aint tested her out yet on the ktm so cant compare noise and turbolence but that will happen tomorrow!!:yes:

[Night Falcon]

hey joe....see the orange :corn:


you got carpet in your shed........:blink:...all ktms have to be stored on carpet...didn't you read the user manual??

heading your way sunday...will pop in on our way home...we be in the cage..:facepalm: nice work....will have the kettle on if we're around...best give us a txt incase we out

JMJ

[Night Falcon]

This bit of beach was sand last year!

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2010-12-23155230.jpg

Got home after this ride to discover my number plate had disappeared....along with my WOF! I suppose they can issue duplicate coppies of both?

[Waihou Thumper]

I suppose than can issue duplicate coppies of both?

No....:(
New plate, new WOF on a new plate, but becuase the bike has one, they can re-issue that at least...

[junkmanjoe]

Got home after this ride to discover my number plate had disappeared....along with my WOF! I suppose they can issue duplicate coppies of both?

Hmmm no number plate aye................:Police:....must be stolen....

[NordieBoy]

No....:(
New plate, new WOF on a new plate, but becuase the bike has one, they can re-issue that at least...


10 mins and you're out of there with a new plate.

[Night Falcon]

:blink:The procedure is this for any poor sod who looses their number plate....

1. don't go to the post office....they will tell you to go the AA

2. dont go to the motorcycle shop to get a duplicate WOF untill you have your new plate from the AA

3. go to the AA fill out lost or stolen plate form....wait....wait....go to counter get new plate and rego...cos your existing regi slip will have the wrong number on it

4. go to motorcycle shop and get new wof - have free hot dog while there as its the Xmas doo! and druel over new 2011 CRF250 still in packing crate...awsome...did't know they come with a steering damper from stock....learn something new every day!

5. don't forget to also get a new WOF holder to attach to your new number plate

6. go get the wof holder that you forgot to get

7. fit new plate and rego to motorcycle

8. then decide to rearrange the rear end and put new indicators on that have been in the shed for 6 months

9. mate turns up so no work gets done

:corn:

[junkmanjoe]

:blink:The procedure is this for any poor sod who looses their number plate....


9. mate turns up so no work gets done

:corn:
OH JIM......:facepalm:

JMJ

[NordieBoy]

druel over new 2011 CRF250 still in packing crate...awsome...did't know they come with a steering damper from stock....learn something new every day!

Cute little damper isn't it :D

[Night Falcon]

OH JIM......:facepalm:

JMJ hey joe.... have a merry Christmas !


Cute little damper isn't it :D

it sure is a nifty wee damper tucked up ontop of the mudguard !:gob: wonder how good it is??

[dino3310]

thought you fellas would be interested in this thread, good read with lots of ideas....
makes me wanna get a donor bike and rally up the XR
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=374161

[Skippy_]

How you going to mount the fairing without the nav tower? After putting a rally fairing on my 640e I can tell you that you'll need some fairly sturdy mounts. Especially if you fill up the dash with GPS,speedo and all the other rubbish that seems to get stuck up front, not to mention the lights,fuses and relays - all starts to add up after a while.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn175/topo-t-south/ktm%20build/PC120006.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn175/topo-t-south/ktm%20build/PC120003.jpg

Thats a nice setup on the 640 with the 18ltr SMC tank. Can I ask where you purchased the small fairing from for this tank?

[Night Falcon]

Thats a nice setup on the 640 with the 18ltr SMC tank. Can I ask where you purchased the small fairing from for this tank?

Hi Skippy, not sure where this fairing was purchased but it looks like a Rally Management Systems fairing...you can find them here..http://www.rallymanagementservices.com/ or you could try Alberto Dottori's site http://www.albertodottori.net/

hope this helps

[.chris]

Looks like the bike everyone wanted might be getting made.


The new Adventure series is supposed to have modular construction, and will see a variety of displacements reside in the same chassis. According to Nieuwsmotor we can expect to see 1,200cc, 1,000cc, and 700cc/800cc models from KTM in this department, but we’re not sure how a 1,000cc would differentiate itself from a 1,200cc machine and what we assume will be an 800cc model to compete with the F800GS and Triumph Tiger 800.


http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/new-ktm-superduke-adventure-bikes-2013-rumor/

[cooneyr]

Looks like the bike everyone wanted might be getting made.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/new-ktm-superduke-adventure-bikes-2013-rumor/

Ooooo. Rumours and gossip. The current line up of rally and ex rally bikes (450 rally, 690 Rally and 950 rall/Adv) all use a space frame with pannier style tanks etc and clearly in a bunch of motor sizes. Seems like the idea of modular system would not be that hard to achieve then. The lineage for the 1000/1200cc motor is pretty easy to see but I wonder where the 800 is comming from.

I like the talk of the 800 being very off road capable but I'll believe it when I see it. Most of the new bike released lately that have off road herirtage i.e. Tranny and S10 have fallen well short of being as off road capable as their predicessors. Also being more off road capable than the new XC doesn't seem like a tall ask and still doesn't mean as off road capable as a 690E with a fairing.

Cheers R

[.chris]

Ooooo. Rumours and gossip. The current line up of rally and ex rally bikes (450 rally, 690 Rally and 950 rall/Adv) all use a space frame with pannier style tanks etc and clearly in a bunch of motor sizes. Seems like the idea of modular system would not be that hard to achieve then. The lineage for the 1000/1200cc motor is pretty easy to see but I wonder where the 800 is comming from.

I like the talk of the 800 being very off road capable but I'll believe it when I see it. Most of the new bike released lately that have off road herirtage i.e. Tranny and S10 have fallen well short of being as off road capable as their predicessors. Also being more off road capable than the new XC doesn't seem like a tall ask and still doesn't mean as off road capable as a 690E with a fairing.

Cheers R

I am not sure which I would prefer.
Option 1: 450cc Rallye style.
Option 2: 700cc single (basically a ported LC4 690 engine).
Option 3: 700/800cc twin
All with a 20+ litre tank and decent level of wind protection/faring.

The more modular system sounds like it could handle it, after all they got a 450cc engine into the 690 frame, so why not a 800cc twin? Oh wait, that is a bit different.

I can't wait to see how they manage it.


Getting both would be too much to ask, but shall be interesting to see what happens.

[Night Falcon]

The way I see it is that KTM has a strong reputation for producing hardcore bikes which is the distinguishing factor in their adventure bikes. After dropping the 640A they now only have 990 adventure series to bring to a market that is fast developing new bikes to cater for not so hardcore adventurer who likes a bit of comfort. Have the other marques got it worng in developing their products more closer to the GS than the KTM ADV? They obviously don't think so as the softer market (no offence ment) is by far the largest.

So what dose this say for KTM and the "alledged" new model influx? Lots of choice for a smaller market just don't make finacial sense; develop softer bikes perhaps...I don't think so! I'm guessin you might see a detuned RC8 1200 ADV and a 700/750 single banger marketed as an 790/800 adv (they already do it with 654cc marketed as a 690)

I would be delighted to see a KTM 800 adv but it would need to be lighter, as economical and have a similar fuel range as me o'll 690 for me to part with most likely 18 to 20K for the purchase price. If I'm wrong and they do flood the market with lots of adventure bikes...I still win :bleh:

[dmc]

The way I see it is that KTM has a strong reputation for producing hardcore bikes which is the distinguishing factor in their adventure bikes. After dropping the 640A they now only have 990 adventure series to bring to a market that is fast developing new bikes to cater for not so hardcore adventurer who likes a bit of comfort. Have the other marques got it worng in developing their products more closer to the GS than the KTM ADV? They obviously don't think so as the softer market (no offence ment) is by far the largest.

So what dose this say for KTM and the "alledged" new model influx? Lots of choice for a smaller market just don't make finacial sense; develop softer bikes perhaps...I don't think so! I'm guessin you might see a detuned RC8 1200 ADV and a 700/750 single banger marketed as an 790/800 adv (they already do it with 654cc marketed as a 690)

I would be delighted to see a KTM 800 adv but it would need to be lighter, as economical and have a similar fuel range as me o'll 690 for me to part with most likely 18 to 20K for the purchase price. If I'm wrong and they do flood the market with lots of adventure bikes...I still win :bleh:

They just need to use the Duke R 690cc engine in a Enduro and try to squeeze another 3-4lts of fuel in the rear tank.

[Night Falcon]

Well I have my Verdit on the TKC 80 rear tire......It was good while it lasted! (less than 3500 Klm and its pretty slick) probably could squeeeeeze a bit more out of it but its fair to say its poked as far as any more grip goes!

I was impressed with Chris's E07 so might give that a try next. I have a scorpion A/T which has 3/4 tread left in the shed but I don't like the Oval shape of it. I found it slides a bit tooooo much on gravel (but is excellent on tarmac). Any way probably the last TKC for me!

[10bikekid]

Well I have my Verdit on the TKC 80 rear tire......It was good while it lasted! (less than 3500 Klm and its pretty slick) probably could squeeeeeze a bit more out of it but its fair to say its poked as far as any more grip goes!

I was impressed with Chris's E07 so might give that a try next. I have a scorpion A/T which has 3/4 tread left in the shed but I don't like the Oval shape of it. I found it slides a bit tooooo much on gravel (but is excellent on tarmac). Any way probably the last TKC for me!

Yep, I have found ATs to be as you say Great on the road and little grip in anything loose, Having said that I managed to ease my 950 up to 173kph on the Gravel the other day, but was completely crapping myself and shut down immediately once I saw the numbers on the speedo :facepalm:

The 950ADV for me is a road bike for all conditions and can do the flat beach and dry dirt, but is to Heavy and Grunty for much else, with road bias tires at least (which I think you really need or you will fry anything much else and empty your pockets and most likely lose the rear under power out of tar corners)

Solution Keep 950 for road work and lightening my DR750 and perhaps trying some EO9s (bit more agressive than E07s) for the More narly adventure stuff including I think the fast metal rides as well :woohoo:

Would like a 690 ADV as well but money tree got no leaves left :shit:(will consider option when factory brings out)

[Night Falcon]

Went for a visit to the see the lads at AFC for the yearly service today. Got to ride one of these...
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-02-11105707.jpg

and druel over one of these...
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-02-11114858.jpg

and ride home past this...
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-02-11150221.jpg
and this....
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-02-11153329.jpg
just another day in paradise!

[Oscar]

Yep, I have found ATs to be as you say Great on the road and little grip in anything loose, Having said that I managed to ease my 950 up to 173kph on the Gravel the other day, but was completely crapping myself and shut down immediately once I saw the numbers on the speedo :facepalm:

The 950ADV for me is a road bike for all conditions and can do the flat beach and dry dirt, but is to Heavy and Grunty for much else, with road bias tires at least (which I think you really need or you will fry anything much else and empty your pockets and most likely lose the rear under power out of tar corners)

Solution Keep 950 for road work and lightening my DR750 and perhaps trying some EO9s (bit more agressive than E07s) for the More narly adventure stuff including I think the fast metal rides as well :woohoo:

Would like a 690 ADV as well but money tree got no leaves left :shit:(will consider option when factory brings out)

The funny thing is that I'm thinking of getting rid of my 625 because it never gets used. The 950 goes anywhere on TKC's.

[Eddieb]

KTM 690 ADVENTURE as envisaged by RALLY RAID UK.

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[NordieBoy]

Quite noice...

[Night Falcon]

KTM 690 ADVENTURE as envisaged by RALLY RAID UK.

yeah, saw it on adv the other day...nice peice of kit thats for sure but lets see..

690R $17,500.00
ADV kit $ 5,000.00 (estimate...probbaly not far off)
twin tanks $ 1,500.00
paint $ 1,000.00
Damper $ 1,200.00
other bits $ ??????.??
Plus rego etc

....yikes!! good looks don't come cheap!

[.chris]

yeah, saw it on adv the other day...nice peice of kit thats for sure but lets see..

690R $17,500.00
ADV kit $ 5,000.00 (estimate...probbaly not far off)
twin t $ 1,500.00
paint $ 1,000.00
Damper $ 1,200.00
other bits $ ??????.??
Plus rego etc

....yikes!! good looks don't come cheap!

All that work, and all that money and the seat still looks stock. Must be mad as a badger!

[Night Falcon]

All that work, and all that money and the seat still looks stock. Must be mad as a badger!....its a wedgy maker forsure! You done anything with that con -corbin-crete seat on the 690 yet?

[Night Falcon]

Can anyone offer some advice on setting up rear shock, I think my spring maybe too soft as it seems to sit a bit low (especially when the bike is loaded with gear). AFC said I might need to put a stronger rear spring on but at $250 -$300 its a bit pricey. Is there someting else I should be looking at? The bike sag is about 7mm out form the recommened 25mm sag but before I pull the shock off to adjust it I just wanted to check if there is something else I should be adjusting? If I do need another spring, how do I know which one to get?

[GSers]

Can anyone offer some advice on setting up rear shock, I think my spring maybe too soft as it seems to sit a bit low (especially when the bike is loaded with gear). AFC said I might need to put a stronger rear spring on but at $250 -$300 its a bit pricey. Is there someting else I should be looking at? The bike sag is about 7mm out form the recommened 25mm sag but before I pull the shock off to adjust it I just wanted to check if there is something else I should be adjusting? If I do need another spring, how do I know which one to get?

Surely you can adjust the sag, also another 10 psi of nitrogen in it may help. Ask EddieB he spent a lot of time adjusting the rear shok on the 950
GSers

[.chris]

....its a wedgy maker forsure! You done anything with that con -corbin-crete seat on the 690 yet?

Nah, the sheepskin/foam pad does the trick for now. And being its 10x better than the stock one for a long ride I just tollerate it, but after riding that TigerXC does make me wish for a more comfortable seat/bike.:facepalm:

[10bikekid]

The funny thing is that I'm thinking of getting rid of my 625 because it never gets used. The 950 goes anywhere on TKC's.

Im sure your right in regard to TKS's, and was thinking just the other day how much better the 950 would be off road with decent tires, but it ain't going to keep up with the superdukes on the road then or last the 7000ks the Scorpions will either, two sets of Rims might be the other answer (DR750 is getting Kenda road legal nobblies soon so problem solved)

Rumour are running that a KTM800ADV is on the way so that could be the compromise some of us are looking for ?

[Night Falcon]

Trying to get sorted for 8 days of glorios riding in the south Island next week.:eek: On the agenda: Molesworth, Rainbow, Hakatera, Danseys, various tracks around Malborough (swapping ADVs for 450 Husky's) and anything else that might look interesting!

Just waiting on the arrival of a rear E07 :sleep:, and the craddle on my Zumo has packed it in so also need to get that sorted with the lads at Trigs before Friday :wait:,

Having done this trip before...3yrs ago...I'm on top off what gear to take and what to leave behind...not :doh: As my last adventure ride brought to an end the loving relationship I had with my top box I'm also trying to build a flat plate to help support a duffle bag over the rear end. A sheet of 1mm alloy cut to fit the base of the bag (600 X 300mm) should do the trick....I have a cunning plan to make it easy to remove for refuelling....watch this space.

Will be dropping in to see some old mates in CHCH, their house is still livable but still no power, water, WC. He said today that all the mud arround his house is starting pong...like living in Rotorua.

Hopefully we will get some pictures this time so will post for any one who drops by.:corn:

[alane]

[QUOTE=Night Falcon;1129998026]Trying to get sorted for 8 days of glorios riding in the south Island next week.:eek: On the agenda: Molesworth, Rainbow, Hakatera, Danseys, various tracks around Malborough (swapping ADVs for 450 Husky's) and anything else that might look interesting!

Just waiting on the arrival of a rear E07 :sleep:, and the craddle on my Zumo has packed it in so also need to get that sorted with the lads at Trigs before Friday :wait:,

Having done this trip before...3yrs ago...I'm on top off what gear to take and what to leave behind...not :doh: As my last adventure ride brought to an end the loving relationship I had with my top box I'm also trying to build a flat plate to help support a duffle bag over the rear end. A sheet of 1mm alloy cut to fit the base of the bag (600 X 300mm) should do the trick....I have a cunning plan to make it easy to remove for refuelling....watch this space.

1mm Alloy-----sounds like a knife blade ,right up your posterior.:shit.
Might be better with that nylon/plastic cutting board stuff.:niceone:

Are you going to do Mt. Artimarlock,down the Molesworth,and Mallings pass/st James, behind lake Tennison?

[Waihou Thumper]

are you going to do Mt. Artimarlock

I still think of that note you left all on the fence post when you did this ride; before me and Stephen...Dusty Butt 2010
It was like Ed Hillary being beaten to Everest...:)
The hard boiled eggs were good from the summit though...:niceone:

[alane]

[QUOTE=NZKTM;1129998128]I still think of that note you left all on the fence post when you did this ride; before me and Stephen...Dusty Butt 2010
It was like Ed Hillary being beaten to Everest...:)
The hard boiled eggs were good from the summit though...:niceone:
[/QUOTE

Yep--My Wife & I had a laugh abought that,a while ago.:laugh:

I wondered why Stephen was looking for me @ the pre-ride barbeque.:eek:

It was one of those little things that make the heart sing.:niceone:

Dunno what made me do it---had an idea others on the way to te D.B. would be going up there,after all the talk abought it on the net.

[clint640]

Having done this trip before...3yrs ago...I'm on top off what gear to take and what to leave behind...not :doh: As my last adventure ride brought to an end the loving relationship I had with my top box I'm also trying to build a flat plate to help support a duffle bag over the rear end. A sheet of 1mm alloy cut to fit the base of the bag (600 X 300mm) should do the trick....I have a cunning plan to make it easy to remove for refuelling....watch this space.
:

1mm alloy won't hold up much without extra support, it will sag either side. You need 3mm minimum & it doesn't need to be full width. I have a 4mm x about 350 x 280 plate that goes on top of my small rear rack when I want to strap on a duffel:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/817/p3070108.jpg

Loaded:

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/5130/p4110247.jpg

Cheers
Clint

[Night Falcon]

1mm alloy won't hold up much without extra support, it will sag either side. You need 3mm minimum & it doesn't need to be full width. I have a 4mm x about 350 x 280 plate that goes on top of my small rear rack when I want to strap on a duffel:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/817/p3070108.jpg

Loaded:

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/5130/p4110247.jpg

Cheers
Clint

Thanks for that Clint...almost exactly what I need!!:niceone: even the bag is the same colour as mine!

I have some support on the rear so the plate is really only to prevent the bag from collecting too much gravel, mud and heat from the muffler. I will be doing some experiments in the shed tonight on some flat sheet...if it turns to custard :facepalm: there is a sheetmetal engineering shop next to work that will be copying your plate (in a hurry) for me!

I'll keep ya posted :corn:

Also found out today there will be no E07 as they are still on aboat somewhere :shit: so will have to use the scorp....shouldn't be too bad but it definately anit my 1st choice for gravel...just hope we don't encounter any mud or grass either or it could get interesting :doctor:

[Waihou Thumper]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/5130/p4110247.jpg

Cheers
Clint


I couldn't help but notice the lean on the Katie. When fully luggaged up my bike leans a fair bit, it makes mounting it a bit of a hit or miss affair sometimes. I have to be careful where I plant the stand as well as we all know what could happen.
Does the 690 lean a fair bit too? I put the stand down and then dismount like a horse rider....BUT, now I put the rubber back on the pegs, my foot sometimes slides off and that aint pretty...:)

[Night Falcon]

Does the 690 lean a fair bit too? I put the stand down and then dismount like a horse rider....BUT, now I put the rubber back on the pegs, my foot sometimes slides off and that aint pretty...:)


I have had some issues with my suspenders and loading the bike up don't help it. I'm told that the standard set up is for 70-80kg rider weight for a 690E...so at 97kg I'm a bit porky for it to satrt with. I manage it by making sure I don't parkup on any slopes....I tend to swing the leg up between the seat and the bags ...it anit pretty....but so far I havn't imbarassed myself....too much:facepalm:

[warewolf]

Can anyone offer some advice on setting up rear shock, I think my spring maybe too soft as it seems to sit a bit low (especially when the bike is loaded with gear). AFC said I might need to put a stronger rear spring on but at $250 -$300 its a bit pricey. Is there someting else I should be looking at? The bike sag is about 7mm out form the recommened 25mm sag but before I pull the shock off to adjust it I just wanted to check if there is something else I should be adjusting? If I do need another spring, how do I know which one to get?Spring rate and preload are the primary suspension elements. They set the bike's and the swingarm's geometry which are critical to good handling and good suspension action. Always set them first before you do anything else. More compression damping will help the suspension ride higher in the stroke, and too much rebound damping will hold it down too low.

Suspension tuners should be able to guide you on the correct choice of spring. Otherwise try something like advrider/ktmtalk for someone with your characteristics who's had their suspension professionally turned, who'll tell you what spring rate they used. There are after-market spring manufacturers who may be cheaper.

You won't get a spring correct for both solo and fully laden, so you'll have to choose where your compromise is. On road bikes I liked a slightly firm-for-sporty solo spring which is then a little soft, comfortable but wallowy when fully laden. Since you are generally riding less aggressively in the latter case, comfort is more important than road-holding and lets you get away with a sub-optimal spring. The 640 already has a too-stiff spring for me, so a bit more preload generally is enough to cope with a light touring load. But it doesn't work properly solo in technical riding where you need a lot of suspension compliance, so I want a lighter spring for my weight. Then if I go on a long trip laden, I'll probably spend the 30 mins it takes to swap springs. Best of both worlds.

[Night Falcon]

Spring rate and preload are the primary suspension elements. They set the bike's and the swingarm's geometry which are critical to good handling and good suspension action. Always set them first before you do anything else. More compression damping will help the suspension ride higher in the stroke, and too much rebound damping will hold it down too low.

Suspension tuners should be able to guide you on the correct choice of spring. Otherwise try something like advrider/ktmtalk for someone with your characteristics who's had their suspension professionally turned, who'll tell you what spring rate they used. There are after-market spring manufacturers who may be cheaper.

You won't get a spring correct for both solo and fully laden, so you'll have to choose where your compromise is. On road bikes I liked a slightly firm-for-sporty solo spring which is then a little soft, comfortable but wallowy when fully laden. Since you are generally riding less aggressively in the latter case, comfort is more important than road-holding and lets you get away with a sub-optimal spring. The 640 already has a too-stiff spring for me, so a bit more preload generally is enough to cope with a light touring load. But it doesn't work properly solo in technical riding where you need a lot of suspension compliance, so I want a lighter spring for my weight. Then if I go on a long trip laden, I'll probably spend the 30 mins it takes to swap springs. Best of both worlds.

The 690 rear shock has both high and low speed compression damping adjustment which are reasonable easy to adjust. The repair manual also has suggested settings for comfort, standard, sport, and full payload (FP). I normally run it between standard and sport. I have earmarked tomorrow night to take the shock off and adjust the preload so will set up in full payload.

Will the rebound be ok to set at say sport with dampning on FP....the rebound is a bit more inaccesable to quickly revert back to softer setting when unloaded for some action

[warewolf]

Will the rebound be ok to set at say sport with dampning on FP....the rebound is a bit more inaccesable to quickly revert back to softer setting when unloaded for some actionProbably be ok, but who knows? Their factory settings may not be that good for you anyway.

If the spring is way out, fiddling the clickers is just gonna make it handle a different kind of bad, but maybe it'll be a compromise you can live with.

[Night Falcon]

Got back last night from South Island, awsome pretty much sums up the riding, scenery, weather, and everything else. The KTM's faired pretty well in all areas except rider comfort! 6-7 hrs riding per day leaves your butt feeling like its been whiped with a blunt axe! The trip started off with me loosing my gear lever....I know how'd that happen?...any way we found it on the road just before some dude in a 4WD drove over it...a quick diversion to TSS in Lower Hutt for a replacment sorted that.

Next day comming out of river crossing I managed to snap the chain...never done that before...more emergency surgery but managed to get a new 520HD on sunday morning so that was cool.

The third thing to go bizarly wrong was the fuel cap air valve got stuck/frozen going over Molesworth so fuel light kept comming on with full tank of gas...that was a head scratcher for a few kays untill we figured out the problem.

Heres a couple of shots until I get to posting some more.
where chain broke
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/DSC08860.jpg

We got past the two trees before this but this one nailed us
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/DSC08864.jpg

Some hunters shot this unarmed sign down in cold blood!
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/DSC08896.jpg

[Night Falcon]

As I thinking seriously about the 42nd coming up in a couple of weeks I thiugh I'd fit the high front guard...incase it gets a bit dirty!:yes:

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-03-27194147.jpghttp://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-03-27194114.jpg
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-03-27194059.jpg

[junkmanjoe]

looking good there....all orange in all.....:2thumbsup

JMJ

[Night Falcon]

What to do for the next 12weeks?

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-04-17121917.jpg

[NordieBoy]

Ohhh... Advanced Dual Sport Riding Tenicknacks...

[Night Falcon]

Ohhh... Advanced Dual Sport Riding Tenicknacks...

...yup its got some cool "footage" ...get it "footage" :lol: happy to lend it to select inmates who like myself need all the help we can get:facepalm:

[Eddieb]

...yup its got some cool "footage" ...get it "footage" :lol: happy to lend it to select inmates who like myself need all the help we can get:facepalm:

It's looking like you need all the 'footage' you can get at the moment.

[Night Falcon]

It's looking like you need all the 'footage' you can get at the moment.

yeah will be laid up for a short while but got plans to do some more mods on the ktm so should keep me busy. Will have to survive on your ride photos!

[Night Falcon]

Finnally got roung to the long awaited disection of my power core 4 muffler...turns out it had a hole burnt right through the packing? Other than the hole, the packing seemed to be in good nick...some new packing will hopefully shutt the thing up a bit:shutup:

The dark area is where the hole was burnt
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-04-30140614.jpg

[marks]

some new packing will hopefully shutt the thing up a bit:shutup:

I though it was pretty quiet as it was :yes:

[Night Falcon]

I though it was pretty quiet as it was :yes:

you must have better earplugs or helmet than me.... its way loud when ya riding :gob: espically at anything over 4k rmp. My wings that I had on my 990 were knowhere near as noisy as this muffler.

[NordieBoy]

Remember marks is deaf. He thinks his bike has a "tasteful" exhaust note.

[Night Falcon]

Well I'm still hobbling on all fours but have managed to get some quality time in the shed with the 690. Ive gone from plaster to a fibreglass cast, now a moon boot, but the footware I most crave are me o'll tech 10's :woohoo:


The FMF is repacked and sounding much more civilized, I have fitted my custom LED number plate light (but now have to drop the number plate for it to work), theres a new foam air filter on the way and I managed to scoop a wolfman duffle bag of trade me. Still on the list of things to do are change the rear tire EO7 must be hear by now!! and when I'm riding again (6weeks) I'd like to get Patterson O'conners suspension guru to do a custom set up on the springs. I have to say though I am getting a little stir crazy not being able to ride :blink:

[GPS MAN]

I also, thought it was pretty quiet:facepalm:

Maybe I need to get my hearing checked:psst:

:bye:

[.chris]

Have you done the 2 & 3rd gear restrictor mod?

Did mine yesterday, its feels nicer, power seems more linear through the gears. 2 & 3rd always felt a little slack to me. It was only a 10 minute job.

While I was doing the mod I noticed one of my rear tank bolts was missing!!!
Wonder when that happened, being I have been doing a few trail rides lately, that could have been bad news if the other side had broken.

[Night Falcon]

Have heard of the restrictor mod might give it a try...will defineatly check the tank bolts!!

[richyrich]

hi all ,have any of you guys had a play with tuneecu programe on yer 690s.
i have only managed to set tps voltage and clear fault logs and download the
installed map.
just wondering if anyone has managed to get any further into tunecu

[TT2]

[QUOTE=c.h.r.i.s;1130074222]Have you done the 2 & 3rd gear restrictor mod?


Do you have a link to this mod ?
Thanks

[.chris]

[QUOTE=c.h.r.i.s;1130074222]Have you done the 2 & 3rd gear restrictor mod?


Do you have a link to this mod ?
Thanks

http://www.southbayriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65748&page=1

I removed the pins from the other end of the connector, seemed easier to me.
You can just unplug the connectors and run the bike, but it does not detect neutral so you can't start without clutch, and if you have the safety stand switch engine will cut out if the stand is down.
But its easy enough to work around that to give it a test to decide if you need the mod or not.

[TT2]

Thanks for the link for 2/3 gear mod
I have juz replaced my upper tank bolts with the Oz made ones (Mudguts ADV Rider)and have the original ones as spares - You could burrow these if you need bolts in a hurry (i would need them back by mid July for trip to Oz)

[.chris]

Thanks for the link for 2/3 gear mod
I have juz replaced my upper tank bolts with the Oz made ones (Mudguts ADV Rider)and have the original ones as spares - You could burrow these if you need bolts in a hurry (i would need them back by mid July for trip to Oz)

Was my lower bolts that were the problem, so that was at least easily fixed.

I had a look at the uppers and they seemed fine. No spares for me, which is a risk, but one of the many one takes with such a fun bike :yes:

[Night Falcon]

Took off the accessories this morning..no missing tank bolts or anything else I'm please to report!

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-06-11132516.jpg

I made a number plate light as well...have a WOF comming up soon and I had removed the stock light along with the indicator and number plate bracket a while back. Also made a cover plate to protect the light wiring.

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-06-11132340.jpg
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-06-11132404.jpg

[Night Falcon]

Found this service schedule for KTM's if anyones interested

[Night Falcon]

Busy day in the garage....Fitted final tail tidy (painted black) also removed the rear topbox brackets for painting...one of the allen head countersunk bolts that go into the plastic tank was well rusted and took soom removing! Thought I had striped the insert out of the tank removing it, :gob: but all was good.

Also did the 2nd / 3rd gear mod...took no time atall...but will have to wait a few more weeks to test any improvement.

Am also redesigning bottom panier brackets (mk2 model)...much stronger do should'nt bend as easy in the unfortuneate event of an emergency/lie down:innocent:

The horn has stopped working so have to get a new one for WOF. If I can make one criticisim of the 690...the location of the horn right infront of the engine is not coducive to a long health life! especially on an enduro bike!! Will have to track down another one an do some reolcation work up under the front fairing where there isa bit more protection.

Have the safari tank off to my mates place whos a sign writter...he has designed some cool graphics for it and recons he can get them to stick using micro holes in the film which will allow the tank to express vapour without blistering the decals...hope it works?:corn:

With a bit of luck I'm hoping to be back riding in 2-3 weeks :woohoo: cant wait!!

:rockon:

Night Falcon

[thepom]

Sadly you do not see many second hand 690,s about eh!:weep:

[Triwi]

Busy day in the garage....Fitted final tail tidy (painted black) also removed the rear topbox brackets for painting...one of the allen head countersunk bolts that go into the plastic tank was well rusted and took soom removing! Thought I had striped the insert out of the tank removing it, :gob: but all was good.

Also did the 2nd / 3rd gear mod...took no time atall...but will have to wait a few more weeks to test any improvement.

Am also redesigning bottom panier brackets (mk2 model)...much stronger do should'nt bend as easy in the unfortuneate event of an emergency/lie down:innocent:

The horn has stopped working so have to get a new one for WOF. If I can make one criticisim of the 690...the location of the horn right infront of the engine is not coducive to a long health life! especially on an enduro bike!! Will have to track down another one an do some reolcation work up under the front fairing where there isa bit more protection.

Have the safari tank off to my mates place whos a sign writter...he has designed some cool graphics for it and recons he can get them to stick using micro holes in the film which will allow the tank to express vapour without blistering the decals...hope it works?:corn:

With a bit of luck I'm hoping to be back riding in 2-3 weeks :woohoo: cant wait!!

:rockon:

Night Falcon

Turn the horn bracket upside down and refit horn. It then fits neatly in behind the radiator where it should have been in the first place.
cheers
Triwi

[.chris]

The horn has stopped working so have to get a new one for WOF. If I can make one criticisim of the 690...the location of the horn right infront of the engine is not coducive to a long health life! especially on an enduro bike!! Will have to track down another one an do some reolcation work up under the front fairing where there isa bit more protection.


I am on my 3rd horn, they do seem to eat a fair bit of shite where they are located.
I moved mine a little, by turning the bracket around a bit so it was behind the rad instead of below it. But then you can hardly hear it, but guess it works for a warrant (if you want a pic of how I did it let me know).

Noticed today that my clutch was feeling super yuck (after 2 weeks off the bike) checked the top res and it was almost empty, looks like I may need a top-up and a bleed, job for tomorrow maybe. :weep:

[richyrich]

The horn has stopped working so have to get a new one for WOF. If I can make one criticisim of the 690...the location of the horn right infront of the engine is not coducive to a long health life! especially on an enduro bike!! Will have to track down another one an do some reolcation work up under the front fairing where there isa bit more protection.
try tapping it with something and you might find it will start working again.
had to do it to mine a couple of times.

[Night Falcon]

I am on my 3rd horn, they do seem to eat a fair bit of shite where they are located.
I moved mine a little, by turning the bracket around a bit so it was behind the rad instead of below it. But then you can hardly hear it, but guess it works for a warrant (if you want a pic of how I did it let me know).

Noticed today that my clutch was feeling super yuck (after 2 weeks off the bike) checked the top res and it was almost empty, looks like I may need a top-up and a bleed, job for tomorrow maybe. :weep:

how much you pay for new one...and where you get it....photo would be great when you get a spare moment!


try tapping it with something and you might find it will start working again. had to do it to mine a couple of times.

Man i whacked it, washed it, zapped it, swore at it but it still no work :mad:

[Night Falcon]

Sadly you do not see many second hand 690,s about eh!:weep:

theres none on Trade me...dealer told me will be spring before anymore in the country. I could be tempted to sell mine in year or 2 IF the new ktm 750/800 ADV is released by then....and is any good:drool:

[thepom]

what new ktm 750/800 ? tell me more..........:drool:

[Night Falcon]

what new ktm 750/800 ? tell me more..........:drool:

its bin on the drawing board for a while As I understand it. KTM's competiton for the F800 GS and now the Triumph XC 800. From all the snipets Ive read...and there are a few ... it will be the most dirt oriented of the three and is expected to be a Vtwin :2thumbsup:. The word is the prototype will make an apearance towards the end of 2012 with production in 2013. Some folk recon we may see something earlier but who knows:(....heres what they sayin FYI

Quick Google found this on another Bike Site.

Quoted from Visordown News

KTM IS REPORTED to be working on a host of new models for launch in 2012 and 2013, with a range of new engines to power several new Super Duke and Adventure models.

According to Dutch website Nieuwsmotor, which has just visited the firm's Austrian base and interviewed key staff, the new V-twin engines will include 1200cc, 1000cc and small 700cc or 800cc versions.

The firm's current 990 Adventure was expected to be replaced in 2009 or 2010, a fact revealed several years ago when documents about the firm's long-term model plan were leaked. However, the new model has still not been shown. According to the latest information, that's because although it was fully developed, KTM boss Stefan Pierer rejected the bike, sending the firm's designers back to the drawing board.

The new engines will allow the firm to offer 1200cc Adventure and Super Duke models – with capacities to match their main rivals, BMW's R1200GS, Ducati's Multistrada 1200 and Triumph's Speed Triple – along with smaller, cheaper versions. In particular, the smallest of the firm's planned V-twins, at around 800cc. will allow it to make models to rival Triumph's new Tiger 800 and BMW's F800GS.

Beyond the firm's revamped V-twin range, the single-cylinder Duke is also said to be in the firing line for changes when the 2012 model range is unveiled, with more rounded bodywork designed to give it a wider appeal than the current sharp-edged style.

[Night Falcon]

MY rear end! :innocent:

[gordons]

theres none on Trade me...dealer told me will be spring before anymore in the country.

Do you know if these will be the last shipment of 2011's or the first of the 2012's?

I would assume that very little if anything would have change for the 2012 690's since KTM is (from posts I have seen as well) looking at introducing something to go head on with the BMW's etc.

[Night Falcon]

Do you know if these will be the last shipment of 2011's or the first of the 2012's?

I would assume that very little if anything would have change for the 2012 690's since KTM is (from posts I have seen as well) looking at introducing something to go head on with the BMW's etc.

They bassically get whatever KTM decides to send them. Our market is so small we end up cleaning out the left overs!:violin:

[NordieBoy]

Our market is so small we end up cleaning out the left overs!:violin:

The dregs, as it were...

:dodge:

[Night Falcon]

The dregs, as it were...

:dodge:

Oh contrare...an ounce of Gold is better than a pound of rice :blink:

[NordieBoy]

Oh contrare...an ounce of Gold is better than a pound of rice :blink:

Depends whether you're starving or not...

[thepom]

me.............I,m always hungry.:shutup:

[.chris]

Damn, sorry forgot to take that pic of the horn for you today. Will try and remember tomorrow.

I am quite proud of myself, I managed to bleed my clutch today, after finding I had no working clutch the other day, I checked the res on the bars and it was near empty and looked pretty messy. So today I did a full cleanout/bleed of the clutch, and now it works great. Yah for me :woohoo: (shutup, I am proud of myself).

[richyrich]

do you need to check where the fluid has gone?

[.chris]

do you need to check where the fluid has gone?

Yeah, was nothing noticeable, but the bike had been cleaned just after my last decent ride. Going to keep an eye on it to ensure its not disappearing again.

[cynna]

[QUOTE=Night Falcon;1130094746]its bin on the drawing board for a while As I understand it. KTM's competiton for the F800 GS and now the Triumph XC 800. From all the snipets Ive read...and there are a few ... it will be the most dirt oriented of the three and is expected to be a Vtwin :2thumbsup:. The word is the prototype will make an apearance towards the end of 2012 with production in 2013. Some folk recon we may see something earlier but who knows:(....heres what they sayin FYI
[QUOTE]

just seen this pic on advrider. hope the 750/800 isnt going to be similar to this one

[Night Falcon]

:banana:
Depends whether you're starving or not.......confuscious say...man never hungry with gold in pockets cookie boy :yes: but it hard to buy decent feed (BK, KFC, McD, Wendy's) with wallet full of rice:confused:


Damn, sorry forgot to take that pic of the horn for you today. Will try and remember tomorrow.

I am quite proud of myself, I managed to bleed my clutch today, after finding I had no working clutch the other day, I checked the res on the bars and it was near empty and looked pretty messy. So today I did a full cleanout/bleed of the clutch, and now it works great. Yah for me :woohoo: (shutup, I am proud of myself).
you da bomb!! :banana::wari:



just seen this pic on advrider. hope the 750/800 isnt going to be similar to this one

...yikes.... frankin KTM/BMW/Tiger XC stien:gob:

[richyrich]

Yeah, was nothing noticeable, but the bike had been cleaned just after my last decent ride. Going to keep an eye on it to ensure its not disappearing again.
remembered a few posts in the adv mega 690 thead about the slave cylinder leaking fluid into the gearbox,good soarce of info on that site once you sift through the bulshit

[.chris]

remembered a few posts in the adv mega 690 thead about the slave cylinder leaking fluid into the gearbox,good soarce of info on that site once you sift through the bulshit

Yeah I have read most of that thread over the years, but as you say hard to find any info on that thread.

I was going to watch to see if the level has lowered after my next ride, if it has deal with it then.

[Night Falcon]

:woohoo: My uni filter arrived.... ordered direct from Uni Filter in Ozz half the price of the KTM one and here in 4days not 6weeks!

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-07-02122637.jpg

My pretty orange tool box on my flash newly painted brackets....all a bit anal I know....but what can I say :blink: cant ride will farkle :facepalm:

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-07-03150732.jpg

[vegeman]

Hi,
just been catching up on the thread and seeing what you were doing. I've had my 08 690E for a couple of months (bought it off Clintnz's bro) and can't stop raving about how much I love this machine. I had a XR650L before and used that for everything..so was struggling to replace it with an 'everything bike'. I too was waiting and waiting for a 690Aventure BUT actually happy with the enduro.

The plan is to add stuff to it...so that I can do both longer adventure rides, but also strip it down for trail rides.

So far.

1. I've come up with a new windscreen design which clips on to the touring screen to give more protection (both wind and rocks from bikes I'm about to overtake). It works very well, and working on the quick release design

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2. Put the Rox anti-vibe risers on...didn't need the anti-vibe as the bike is smooth...but they look cool, and I needed the height to stand on the pegs better.

3. The bike came with a custom luggage rack attached for the givi top box that works pretty good, but I've now extended some simple aluminium bash bars, each side from that rack down to the pillion bags so that I stop my saddle bags getting nuked by the muffler, and stops the bags on the other side going into the wheel.

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4. Am running a set of the new oxford carbon heated over grips...they rock, and are thinner than the previous version.

5. Replaced the plastic bash plate with a Flatlands racing plate...that fits really well.

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6. Bought the Rally raid billet fuel cap to replace the lockable one. Getting dirt around the base is more risky for me than lockability (plus the key mecahnism is bloody stiff)

6.5 Also bought the KTM ergo gel seat (fractionally better than original- expensive dissapointment...as rushed the purchase)

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7. Bought the top and bottom tank bolt upgrades.

8. Installed KTM990 foldable mirrors (seem to virbate less than the originals)

9. installed a hella 12V power outlet next to the main key for accessories. Then got a hella to cig lighter adapter with usb 5V (from jaycars) so that I can run whatever I want with whatever interface.

10. Installed KTM foam air filter (like the unifiler but orange) - airbox has been swiss-cheesed and sounds great.

11. installed LED 'bolts' for getting the white light to the license plate...they are very cool.


Finally...really impressed with the wear and usability of the E07 rear tyre, normally tyres that get mileage suck...but I rode the entire pukemanu with half worn E07, and D605F front...and they did very well PLUS road is smooth. I think I'd get them all again as I always used TKC80's

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These bikes are amazing...single trail capable, and can torment superbikes on the windy roads...awesome

[clint640]

Hey Vegeman, I've got the steel luggage racks that I made for that bike in the shed if you want them. They should have gone with the bike. They fit under the custom Givi rack & attach in place of the pax footpegs. I whipped them up in a hurry so they're not super pretty if you look too close but they're quite strong & fully tested through 4500km of adv touring. Yours for the cost of freight.

Pics here: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14658202&postcount=656

If you don't want them they will fit any 690E, just need some bolts. 1st to claim them gets them for cost of freight. It wouldn't take much to make & mount a tail rack off them to hide the ugly top brackets.

Cheers
Clint

[vegeman]

If you don't want them they will fit any 690E, just need some bolts. 1st to claim them gets them for cost of freight. It wouldn't take much to make & mount a tail rack off them to hide the ugly top brackets.

Cheers
Clint

You're too good. hmmm...Since I have my alu bars on and they are doing the job...lets see if someone else needs them first and share the love...otherwise, I'll definintely take your fine workmanship...I think you've done a great job there.

PS was hoping to have been able to catchup with you on the MMMMM...but work is f'n nuts at the moment...I look forward to when we can meet.

[Night Falcon]

Hi vegeman...love your work :yes: May I suggest loosing the boat anchor/nuke reactor exhaust at some point. If you got large cheque book then I would go for the Ackro followed by Wings ...........FMF are cheap but need repacking from time to time which is a pain in the hiney :angry:. where you get the bash plate from?

I had a top box on mine but it ejected into a 1000 peices of plastic and clothing after a missjudged series of whoops in long grass followed by brief flight and not so soft landing! :facepalm: lucky there was someone to tell me it was missing 2k up the road :innocent:. Any thing on the back now gets bolted or tiedown racheted on :whocares:

Hope ta see ya on the trails some time :blink:

[vegeman]

[QUOTE=Night Falcon;1130103412 May I suggest loosing the boat anchor/nuke reactor exhaust at some point. If you got large cheque book then I would go for the Ackro followed by Wings ...........FMF are cheap but need repacking from time to time which is a pain in the hiney :angry:. where you get the bash plate from?
[/QUOTE]

Thanks...yes, its coming along nicely. Have been thinking about the high temp oven extender but they are f'n expensive. I actually like the bike being quiet and stealthy so I'll wait until I burn myself more. Hey...looks like either replacing it or leaving it on will burn a hole in your pocket :yes:

My next big investment is another set of enduro wheels so this way, I have more choice on my dual sport tyre selection

I bought my plate from www.flatlandracing.com $95US + $34US frieght...pretty good price...and is a good fit (I might need to add a damper or something to it though...it seems to act as an amplifiyer for engine drivetrain noise...so at times it makes me feel that my engine is running bad :-)

V

[Night Falcon]

I might need to add a damper or something to it though...it seems to act as an amplifiyer for engine drivetrain noise...so at times it makes me feel that my engine is running bad :-)

..yeah I have heard the metal plates casue some echoing...some people have fitted coarse foam in between the plate and the engine which also helps keep out stones etc, I understand it works ok but would imagine you would need to clean out regularly?

[gordons]

I'm keen to hear from some of the 2011 Enduro R owners if their scoots came with pillion pegs?

What about the rear mudguard grab handles, std. or optional?

Thanks.

[Night Falcon]

they should come with both...check the owners manual\parts booklets they will have them listed.

[.chris]

Hey Vegeman, I've got the steel luggage racks that I made for that bike in the shed if you want them. They should have gone with the bike. They fit under the custom Givi rack & attach in place of the pax footpegs. I whipped them up in a hurry so they're not super pretty if you look too close but they're quite strong & fully tested through 4500km of adv touring. Yours for the cost of freight.

Pics here: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14658202&postcount=656

If you don't want them they will fit any 690E, just need some bolts. 1st to claim them gets them for cost of freight. It wouldn't take much to make & mount a tail rack off them to hide the ugly top brackets.

Cheers
Clint

Ohh Ohhh please pick me? Would love em.:love:

[Night Falcon]

Too much time on my hands.....so redesigned the fairing support over the weekend. Trying to make some room under the dash for some more gadgets :shutup:. The main difference from the previous setup is the headlight is now fixed to the fairing. Hope to have it all back together by the weekend and maybe a test ride :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-07-18182029.jpg

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-07-18190057.jpg

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-07-18185947.jpg

I had an idea (dangerous I know) what would I need to make an electric operated headlight adjuster? The head light on the 690 has a simple adjusting screw with an alan key setup....how hard would it be to bang a small elecrtic motor on the end of it and a switch to screw it forward and backwards ?? so handy when ya loaded up and the headlight is pointing towards the moon...just push a butten and drop it down a bit...is this possible or should I add this to my already large pile of discarded "million $$$" ideas?? :corn:

[Triwi]

I'm keen to hear from some of the 2011 Enduro R owners if their scoots came with pillion pegs?

What about the rear mudguard grab handles, std. or optional?

Thanks.

Yes pegs and grab handles are in the box
Triwi

[vegeman]

Ohh Ohhh please pick me? Would love em.:love:

go for it....Clint will help you out, enjoy :-)

[vegeman]

what would I need to make an electric operated headlight adjuster? The head light on the 690 has a simple adjusting screw with an alan key setup....how hard would it be to bang a small elecrtic motor on the end of it and a switch to screw it forward and backwards ?? so handy when ya loaded up and the headlight is pointing towards the moon...just push a butten and drop it down a bit...is this possible or should I add this to my already large pile of discarded "million $$$" ideas?? :corn:

hmmm, I'd say a lot of work. Sounds cool tho...but maybe get a version working where you can adjust it with a finger/knobby thing...and then make it electric if you find that you are doing it regularly.

[.chris]

I think you need to start taking things off your bike, not adding more.
Is the 690 not complex enough for you yet?

I have been resisting the urge to buy the Rally Raid tanks for mine.
I was thinking Rally Raid Tanks, new exhaust & touring screen in prep for my south island trip next year.

[Night Falcon]

I think you need to start taking things off your bike, not adding more.
Is the 690 not complex enough for you yet?

I have been resisting the urge to buy the Rally Raid tanks for mine.
I was thinking Rally Raid Tanks, new exhaust & touring screen in prep for my south island trip next year.

you are right...the 690 need less not more bits....I've fallen for the o'll cant ride it so pull it to bits and bolt things on it syndrome :brick: Thanks for the reality check :facepalm:


The RR tanks are cool....you buy them for ya trip then sell them to me for half price when ya finished :innocent:....When ya planning on doing SI?

[.chris]

you are right...the 690 need less not more bits....I've fallen for the o'll cant ride it so pull it to bits and bolt things on it syndrome :brick: Thanks for the reality check :facepalm:


The RR tanks are cool....you buy them for ya trip then sell them to me for half price when ya finished :innocent:....When ya planning on doing SI?

I plan to be down here (I am in Fairlie a the moment) for most of jan/feb, I have a few things which shall require my attention up north during that time, so I shall be doing a bit of up/down action (flying), but I intend to have my bike down here for most of jan/feb, and enjoying it as much as possible during that time. Hope to catch the dusty butt, and the ADV rally. I will be bringing a tent & gear so plan on doing some remote/outback'n.

You know the RR tanks won't fit on your bike with the safari thank eh! I doubt I will be getting them, more likely I will just get a 5l plastic fuel can mounted to clint's racks somehow.

[Night Falcon]

.....more likely I will just get a 5l plastic fuel can mounted to clint's racks somehow.

these might be what ya lookin for?
http://www.justgastanks.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=357

bet its fairly cold down that way at the moment! early new year riding in SI is awsome! be sure you fit in some Molesworth/Rainbow riding!

[.chris]

these might be what ya lookin for?
http://www.justgastanks.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=357

bet its fairly cold down that way at the moment! early new year riding in SI is awsome! be sure you fit in some Molesworth/Rainbow riding!

Yeah, I had seen those rotopax before, they do look like quite a good solution, but if I am going the cheap way, it will be the very cheap way. After all I managed my trip down south a couple of years back without any extra fuel (saying that, I could have done with just a little more fuel once).

I do hope to do the molesworth/rainbow this time, last time I was in a hurry to get south so I did not dick around much on my way. This year I will have more time. Once I get a better view of Jan I shall do some planning and try and get some company for parts of the trip.
I also hope to get a ride into the clarence river valley.

[Eddieb]

I plan to be down here (I am in Fairlie a the moment) for most of jan/feb, I have a few things which shall require my attention up north during that time, so I shall be doing a bit of up/down action (flying), but I intend to have my bike down here for most of jan/feb, and enjoying it as much as possible during that time. Hope to catch the dusty butt, and the ADV rally. I will be bringing a tent & gear so plan on doing some remote/outback'n.

You know the RR tanks won't fit on your bike with the safari thank eh! I doubt I will be getting them, more likely I will just get a 5l plastic fuel can mounted to clint's racks somehow.

You'll be down there around the Dusty Butt, you'd be silly not to do that while you are down there.

[.chris]

You'll be down there around the Dusty Butt, you'd be silly not to do that while you are down there.

Yep that is part of the plan, who would be in the south and no do it. Would have to be mad!

[Night Falcon]

:woohoo: The 690 lives again!! :woohoo: Shes all back together and lookin sick :love:...even road it around the cul de sac...first ride in over 3 months.....would you believe it, almost got run over by a neighbour who wasn't looking where she was driving and nearly drove straight into me! :gob: nother couple of weeks an I should be good to go :woohoo:

[.chris]

:woohoo: The 690 lives again!! :woohoo: Shes all back together and lookin sick :love:...even road it around the cul de sac...first ride in over 3 months.....would you believe it, almost got run over by a neighbour who wasn't looking where she was driving and nearly drove straight into me! :gob: nother couple of weeks an I should be good to go :woohoo:

Good to hear you are back on the road, I have been away from my bike for 3 weeks, I can't even imagine how bad 3 months is.

[thepom]

I rode for the first time this week after ten weeks from a shoulder op.......I was hooting in my helmet like a good un....

[vegeman]

more likely I will just get a 5l plastic fuel can mounted to clint's racks somehow.

I with you on that.

I've been lusting over the rear tank unit they (rally raid) make, as its quite clever and little impact to the look PLUS it gives the right side of the bike some support meaning that saddle bags can be used. BUT they are bloody expensive, and still commercially...unavailable.

I've been applying some commonsense (for once) and the real advantage of the RR tanks is 'racing' capacity ie race without having to stop. Since we are allowed to stop, and probably need to...simply carry a 4l or 5L container is all you need and comparing $700 NZD to $15NZD is pretty hard to justify. At this stage, Im buying a new leo vince slip on muffler and wolfman tank bag AND the cheap fuel tank.

Once I run out of things to buy...then that will be last on the list.

[.chris]

I with you on that.

I've been lusting over the rear tank unit they (rally raid) make, as its quite clever and little impact to the look PLUS it gives the right side of the bike some support meaning that saddle bags can be used. BUT they are bloody expensive, and still commercially...unavailable.

I've been applying some commonsense (for once) and the real advantage of the RR tanks is 'racing' capacity ie race without having to stop. Since we are allowed to stop, and probably need to...simply carry a 4l or 5L container is all you need and comparing $700 NZD to $15NZD is pretty hard to justify. At this stage, Im buying a new leo vince slip on muffler and wolfman tank bag AND the cheap fuel tank.

Once I run out of things to buy...then that will be last on the list.

Let me know what you think of the LV, I have a new exhaust on my *want* list.

[umopom]

I fitted a Leo Vince slip on - US$289 - arrived within the week and been great so far - price has gone up a bit since. Weight was the main reason - the standard nuclear reactor weighs over 5 kgs, the LV only 2.3 kgs. Has stopped my header cracking problem, got rid of the heat issue (can touch it after a ride!) and given the bike a bit more lift - sounds good too. Got mine from: http://www.renazcoracing.com/
Cheers
JC

[NordieBoy]

I fitted a Leo Vince slip on - US$289 - arrived within the week and been great so far - price has gone up a bit since. Weight was the main reason - the standard nuclear reactor weighs over 5 kgs, the LV only 2.3 kgs. Has stopped my header cracking problem, got rid of the heat issue (can touch it after a ride!) and given the bike a bit more lift - sounds good too. Got mine from: http://www.renazcoracing.com/
Cheers
JC

Did ya get a seat whilst ya were there?


Have to test the pipe out in the snow :D

[.chris]

I fitted a Leo Vince slip on - US$289 - arrived within the week and been great so far - price has gone up a bit since. Weight was the main reason - the standard nuclear reactor weighs over 5 kgs, the LV only 2.3 kgs. Has stopped my header cracking problem, got rid of the heat issue (can touch it after a ride!) and given the bike a bit more lift - sounds good too. Got mine from: http://www.renazcoracing.com/
Cheers
JC

Damn, that is a nice price. I wish they were still that price with the Kiwi$ being so strong vs the USD would be a hell-of-a-deal.
Thanks for the info.

[vegeman]

I fitted a Leo Vince slip on - US$289 - arrived within the week and been great so far - price has gone up a bit since. Weight was the main reason - the standard nuclear reactor weighs over 5 kgs, the LV only 2.3 kgs. Has stopped my header cracking problem, got rid of the heat issue (can touch it after a ride!) and given the bike a bit more lift - sounds good too. Got mine from: http://www.renazcoracing.com/
Cheers
JC

sheesh that is cheap, my unit is in transit (paid usd $379) but with the strong exchange rate, I'm sure it will be fine (I'm guessing that it why its up for them to)...and I to purchased off the fine people at Renazco. I'm after the same heat, weight, sound resolution.

I've been a bit worried about all the remapping shit..as I really don't want to mess with it, and beleive the leo vince has enough restriction to hopefully prevent that.

Hows is it going for you?

[.chris]

sheesh that is cheap, my unit is in transit (paid usd $379) but with the strong exchange rate, I'm sure it will be fine (I'm guessing that it why its up for them to)...and I to purchased off the fine people at Renazco. I'm after the same heat, weight, sound resolution.

I've been a bit worried about all the remapping shit..as I really don't want to mess with it, and beleive the leo vince has enough restriction to hopefully prevent that.

Hows is it going for you?

How much was shipping?

[vegeman]

How much was shipping?
I've ordered a wolfman tank bag as well which is being shipped as part of the order. $70 bucks for shipping.

...Also...I've just been to LA for work, and feel much better coping with the price of shipping now. The reason being, is that LA is massive, and I took a cab to visit some stores, and while the cabs are relatively cheap...the cost racks up. For instance, I went to Hollywood and bought some t-shirts and crap for the kids which cost nothing but the return cab ride was $50 ...so that really blew the value, and it made me realise that worrying about shipping didn't seem to be such a prob as I was thought.

:blink:

[Night Falcon]

first test ride to ocean beach on Friday morning before heading off to watch the AB's in Welly town....I new it was gonna be a good weekend!

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-07-29110405.jpg

[.chris]

I've ordered a wolfman tank bag as well which is being shipped as part of the order. $70 bucks for shipping.

...Also...I've just been to LA for work, and feel much better coping with the price of shipping now. The reason being, is that LA is massive, and I took a cab to visit some stores, and while the cabs are relatively cheap...the cost racks up. For instance, I went to Hollywood and bought some t-shirts and crap for the kids which cost nothing but the return cab ride was $50 ...so that really blew the value, and it made me realise that worrying about shipping didn't seem to be such a prob as I was thought.

:blink:

Yeah that I can understand, last time I was up in LA, I ordered a bunch of stuff to get delivered to my hotel it worked out great, arrived at the hotel to a big stack of boxes new toys-a-plenty.

Seems I don't need a new exhaust at the moment, so I shall be waiting a bit longer. Instead I shall just keep dreaming of some SM wheels.
Have been considering this for a while, but not sure if a SM wheelset or just another set of 21/18 running roady tires (conti attack/MT90 style) would be best.
Probably need to test ride a SM or two to see how different they feel.

[vegeman]

...Instead I shall just keep dreaming of some SM wheels.
Have been considering this for a while, but not sure if a SM wheelset or just another set of 21/18 running roady tires (conti attack/MT90 style) would be best.
Probably need to test ride a SM or two to see how different they feel.

I can answer that for you...as I have a set of 17" SM wheels as well (even with orange rim stickers for extra bling) but a few weeks ago I thought I'd put them on and use them for road...saving the 21/18 for dirt,as they hadn't been used yet due to me wanting to go offroad.

Honestly - YUK, horrible, hated them...so I was planning to sell them complete BUT will likely take the 17" rims off and replace with original 21/18 rims so that I have a duplicate set of wheels - one for mainly dirt/DS...and one for mainly road/commute

Why yuk - you ask?

The 690E is shorter than the R...so dropping the smaller wheels again really changes the geometry, the kick stand is now too long (it can only be chopped, no shorter ones exist) and something else..ah, sprocket size would need changing to. So To me it felt so bad (wouldn't turn corners, rev'd to much, could'nt park the bike safely), that I'd have to adjust too much to make work...meaning the ease of swapping, didn't exist.
If I was wanted a motard as my primary machine, sure doing the changes isn't too much but for a quick swap...nah.

I think the R swaps far better due to that extra inch - aint that always the way

[.chris]

I can answer that for you...as I have a set of 17" SM wheels as well (even with orange rim stickers for extra bling) but a few weeks ago I thought I'd put them on and use them for road...saving the 21/18 for dirt,as they hadn't been used yet due to me wanting to go offroad.

Honestly - YUK, horrible, hated them...so I was planning to sell them complete BUT will likely take the 17" rims off and replace with original 21/18 rims so that I have a duplicate set of wheels - one for mainly dirt/DS...and one for mainly road/commute

Why yuk - you ask?

The 690E is shorter than the R...so dropping the smaller wheels again really changes the geometry, the kick stand is now too long (it can only be chopped, no shorter ones exist) and something else..ah, sprocket size would need changing to. So To me it felt so bad (wouldn't turn corners, rev'd to much, could'nt park the bike safely), that I'd have to adjust too much to make work...meaning the ease of swapping, didn't exist.
If I was wanted a motard as my primary machine, sure doing the changes isn't too much but for a quick swap...nah.

I think the R swaps far better due to that extra inch - aint that always the way

Thanks for the insight. I sat on a 690 SMC at a shop and it did feel a little weird compared to the Enduro.
I would be more inclined to go with a 21/18 set just to make things easier, as I only really want to be able to run slightly more roady tires, I don't feel that I will be riding in a style which would require the extra tire the 17's would give me, more just an opportunity to run some dedicated dirt tires would be nice.

[Night Falcon]

another shot from Friday's excursion :woohoo:

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-07-29110417.jpg

[vegeman]

Let me know what you think of the LV, I have a new exhaust on my *want* list.

Well, its 10:30 and I've installed the Leo Vince SBK Evo II, twice. It was very simple to get one the first time...then since the unit shipped with 2 inner cores/baffles. I thought I install the spark arrester version as it defaults with the non-spark arrester.

observation - I think that the team at LV must have used their brains as the spark arrester tube is a larger diameter to the non-spark (ie no mesh over the entrance to the core tube). I'm presuming that with the mesh, there is a slighly reduce flow therefore more diameter is required to compensate...yes?

Getting the installed unit out was a pain the arse, as it looks like it didn't get assembled perfectly - the M5 bolt had no thread left, and the core was on angle and somewhat jammed - !@#$ so I thought - relax come back after dinner, take it off properly, smack it gently with a wooden drift, which meant taking of the jammed in header-pipe, in a vice, more wood, more 'persuading'...after an 30 - 60 minutes...it was out, spark arrester in and back on the bike. Too late to fire up the bike with this core in, but since I did a quick test with the original core....I wasn't too worried but all I can say is WOW - thats different.

The OEM nuclear reactor is, as we know , really quiet...the LV with the supposedly quiet inserts is far louder...much louder than I was expecting BUT thats because the original makes the bike sound like a sewing machine. I think it sounds more like my old XR 650, or more like a dirt bike now. So no more speedy stealth...cops are going to hear this machine when the bike is on song...it really sounds great - however early days yet

All forums and documentation state, that this is a direct swap and no messing with the FI, maps...etc BUT I am going to put it on the dyno and check the Fuel/Air. I'll report back with that later. Also LV sell a handlebar switch extender so that you can change modes, so if a map was required...I think that overwrites any settings from then on.

Later:woohoo:

[vegeman]

With the LV muffler, I got the team and renazco to include a wolfman tank bag.. and I think its perfect for the 690.

The bag is small enough to not be in the way, so I can get my knees firmly against the machine and also still slide forward for more agressive riding position..but was surprised how much of my crap I put in there.

It expands vertically, is made of all waterproof material, straps and build quality looks good...I think its a winner.

V:scooter:

[Night Falcon]

Well, its 10:30 and I've installed the Leo Vince SBK Evo II, twice. It was very simple to get one the first time...then since the unit shipped with 2 inner cores/baffles. I thought I install the spark arrester version as it defaults with the non-spark arrester.

observation - I think that the team at LV must have used their brains as the spark arrester tube is a larger diameter to the non-spark (ie no mesh over the entrance to the core tube). I'm presuming that with the mesh, there is a slighly reduce flow therefore more diameter is required to compensate...yes?

Getting the installed unit out was a pain the arse, as it looks like it didn't get assembled perfectly - the M5 bolt had no thread left, and the core was on angle and somewhat jammed - !@#$ so I thought - relax come back after dinner, take it off properly, smack it gently with a wooden drift, which meant taking of the jammed in header-pipe, in a vice, more wood, more 'persuading'...after an 30 - 60 minutes...it was out, spark arrester in and back on the bike. Too late to fire up the bike with this core in, but since I did a quick test with the original core....I wasn't too worried but all I can say is WOW - thats different.

The OEM nuclear reactor is, as we know , really quiet...the LV with the supposedly quiet inserts is far louder...much louder than I was expecting BUT thats because the original makes the bike sound like a sewing machine. I think it sounds more like my old XR 650, or more like a dirt bike now. So no more speedy stealth...cops are going to hear this machine when the bike is on song...it really sounds great - however early days yet

All forums and documentation state, that this is a direct swap and no messing with the FI, maps...etc BUT I am going to put it on the dyno and check the Fuel/Air. I'll report back with that later. Also LV sell a handlebar switch extender so that you can change modes, so if a map was required...I think that overwrites any settings from then on.

Later:woohoo:

I think the akro remap will probly be worth doing as the stock map is deisghned to work with the stock pipe which in turn is designed more with emmision control as the main design brief. Infact without the stock exhaust the rest of the "green" additions to the bikes engine are a dead weight. I hav'nt removed mine but I have done the 2nd/3rd gear derestriction which I think has given her a little more pep!

Like you I was surprised at the noise levels. Although it does sound waaaay groovy :woohoo: the local sheep herders club will likely not be sending you a membership invitation anytime soon. I have repacked mine and it dose sound alot better.....although I rode it with my Shoei Hornet on the weekend which made a big differnce over my HJC which is not so well insulated it appears ...(more of a summer helmet).

look forward to the dyno report!:corn:

[umopom]

Well, its 10:30 and I've installed the Leo Vince SBK Evo II, twice. It was very simple to get one the first time...then since the unit shipped with 2 inner cores/baffles. I thought I install the spark arrester version as it defaults with the non-spark arrester.

observation - I think that the team at LV must have used their brains as the spark arrester tube is a larger diameter to the non-spark (ie no mesh over the entrance to the core tube). I'm presuming that with the mesh, there is a slighly reduce flow therefore more diameter is required to compensate...yes?

Getting the installed unit out was a pain the arse, as it looks like it didn't get assembled perfectly - the M5 bolt had no thread left, and the core was on angle and somewhat jammed - !@#$ so I thought - relax come back after dinner, take it off properly, smack it gently with a wooden drift, which meant taking of the jammed in header-pipe, in a vice, more wood, more 'persuading'...after an 30 - 60 minutes...it was out, spark arrester in and back on the bike. Too late to fire up the bike with this core in, but since I did a quick test with the original core....I wasn't too worried but all I can say is WOW - thats different.

The OEM nuclear reactor is, as we know , really quiet...the LV with the supposedly quiet inserts is far louder...much louder than I was expecting BUT thats because the original makes the bike sound like a sewing machine. I think it sounds more like my old XR 650, or more like a dirt bike now. So no more speedy stealth...cops are going to hear this machine when the bike is on song...it really sounds great - however early days yet

All forums and documentation state, that this is a direct swap and no messing with the FI, maps...etc BUT I am going to put it on the dyno and check the Fuel/Air. I'll report back with that later. Also LV sell a handlebar switch extender so that you can change modes, so if a map was required...I think that overwrites any settings from then on.

Later:woohoo:

Hi Vegeman - i have a LV muffler and the advice i have is that there is no need to remap, in any case the only map that is suitable is the Arkprovnic mapping - KTM reference KM765EU804031 - the feedback that i have is that it doesn't achieve much but increases fuel consumption so don't bother. The LV handlebar map switch works well (other than its white) takes three settings from the range of 9 so you get the soft "off road" setting the top end and one in the middle which is all you need - cant change on the move so you need to switch off and then change but a really worthwhile mod.
Cheers
JC

[Night Falcon]

the LV handlebar map switch works well.....really worthwhile mod.

what are the switches worth these days...they were asking $170.00 last time I looked?

[vegeman]

Hi Vegeman - i have a LV muffler and the advice i have is that there is no need to remap, in any case the only map that is suitable is the Arkprovnic mapping - KTM reference KM765EU804031 - the feedback that i have is that it doesn't achieve much but increases fuel consumption so don't bother.
JC

Thanks JC...that feedback seems to match my investigation as well. I've been looking at a few dyno charts and it seems that the standard map is leaner in the lower rev's (<5K)...which is fine as that way you can get fuel economy when cruising...then it richens up in the upper.

Hopefully Motomart's boyz have made it to work with the snow, as I'm putting it on the dyno today....

[vegeman]

Well, after all the talk about lean this, lean that...nothing talks like the dyno.

Here is the output that I ran today...and it was cold 10C, 1001mb, 55% humidity. I was also running my 17" motard wheel of more grip and probably more power. The Leo Vince had the standard dB modifier which reduces the end cap diameter and has no spark screen so the fuel probe could get all the way in.

As listed in the title, STANDARD MAP on standard setting. Am very happy with power and fueling

60.8HP at the wheel is bloody good and 12.0 was the richest it hit...nothing lean about that.

Also at idling the fuel air was bang on.
244722

[NordieBoy]

Well, after all the talk about lean this, lean that...nothing talks like the dyno.

Torque curve?

I thought the A/F should be closer to 13%?

[Eddieb]

Well, after all the talk about lean this, lean that...nothing talks like the dyno.

Here is the output that I ran today...and it was cold 10C, 1001mb, 55% humidity. I was also running my 17" motard wheel of more grip and probably more power. The Leo Vince had the standard dB modifier which reduces the end cap diameter and has no spark screen so the fuel probe could get all the way in.

As listed in the title, STANDARD MAP on standard setting. Am very happy with power and fueling

60.8HP at the wheel is bloody good and 12.0 was the richest it hit...nothing lean about that.

Also at idling the fuel air was bang on.
244722

What did they charge you to do that?

[Night Falcon]

Well, after all the talk about lean this, lean that...nothing talks like the dyno.

Here is the output that I ran today...and it was cold 10C, 1001mb, 55% humidity. I was also running my 17" motard wheel of more grip and probably more power. The Leo Vince had the standard dB modifier which reduces the end cap diameter and has no spark screen so the fuel probe could get all the way in.

As listed in the title, STANDARD MAP on standard setting. Am very happy with power and fueling

60.8HP at the wheel is bloody good and 12.0 was the richest it hit...nothing lean about that.

Also at idling the fuel air was bang on.
244722

Any one have the dyno results with the acro map for comparison?

Got email today from KTM Techincal Service Manager in Austrailia in responce to the lean/rich query running on std map with aftermarket exhaust; heres his comments:


there is no mechanical reason for it to be a problem, they would need to disconnect the SLS system so it doesn't backfire on throttle off. They would not gain any performance from the pipe so all they get is the noise so sort of defeats the purpose of having a pipe.!!!!

In my reply I did let him know the "nuke" issue was a good reason for changing the stocker! :laugh:

[Night Falcon]

OK finally bit the bullet and went for the K60 Scout. Only $30.00 dearer than an E07 so thought what the heck give it a crack.

Will keep all abrest of how it performs on the 690. :done:


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[vegeman]

Torque curve?

I thought the A/F should be closer to 13%?

It seemed that trying to get all three (HP, Torque and Fuel) seemed to be difficult to program on the dyno. F/A was what I really wanted.

Yeah, I think you're right - going to 13 is theoretically the spot...which means that I probably can remove the tape from the drilled holes in the airbox, however I think there is something around supplying a slightly richer fuel air mixture under load and acceleration...I'm pleased its not lean. We are only talking about fractions, and considering tolerances on equipment and all those variables. I aint losing sleep.

I read this on a tuners blog awhile back

"ACCELERATION: When the throttle is opened for acceleration, thus increasing the manifold pressure, additional fuel must be supplied to prevent misfiring, backfiring, or even complete stopping of the engine. Injection of this acceleration fueling must take place simultaneously with the opening of the throttle. The optimum amount of acceleration fueling is that which will result In the best power air/fuel ratio in the cylinders.

In general this varies with the engine speed and with the throttle position at the start of acceleration, as well as fuel volatility, mixture temperature, and rate of throttle opening. Since partial or slow opening of the throttle requires less than the full acceleration fueling, the amount of extra fuel is usually made roughly proportional to the throttle opening and the angle through which the throttle moves. Mixture strength under these conditions may be as rich as 12.7:1 on warm engines and perhaps as rich as 12.1:1 on cold engines. When an engine reaches normal operating temperature we should not see acceleration fueling richer than 12.7:1. "

[vegeman]

What did they charge you to do that?

$90 bucks is the official rate.

Worth it, compared it issues and constant worrying about whether its good or bad

[vegeman]

Any one have the dyno results with the acro map for comparison?

Got email today from KTM Techincal Service Manager in Austrailia in responce to the lean/rich query running on std map with aftermarket exhaust; heres his comments:



In my reply I did let him know the "nuke" issue was a good reason for changing the stocker! :laugh:

Agree...whether the power or fueling - getting rid of the stock muffler was what it was all about. 60HP is plenty, its not lean, and sounds better.

[vegeman]

OK finally bit the bullet and went for the K60 Scout. Only $30.00 dearer than an E07 so thought what the heck give it a crack.

Will keep all abrest of how it performs on the 690. :done:


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Cool, I have E07's at the moment...and they are doing very well (wear wise) so if these tyres are even better...I'd have to get them as well. Where did you buy from?

[Night Falcon]

Cool, I have E07's at the moment...and they are doing very well (wear wise) so if these tyres are even better...I'd have to get them as well. Where did you buy from?

I think hes the KTM dealer in New Plymouth (only importer)...he advertises on trademe....but gave me a nice kiwi biker discount which was enough to swing it. If the reviews Ive read about this tire are half true it will be the longest lasting tire I've had....heres hoping anyway:Punk: plus I think it looks abit sexier than the E07 :love:

[Eddieb]

$90 bucks is the official rate.

Worth it, compared it issues and constant worrying about whether its good or bad

That doesn't sound too bad, when I enquirer at Wellington M/C's recently there was an extra zero on that price.

[NordieBoy]

People pay for dyno runs?

Weird.

[vegeman]

People pay for dyno runs?

Weird.

ha :-)...I didn't say I paid...thats just what it costs :shifty:

do you have easy access to one of these special units or something else to suggest that you should get it for free??

[NordieBoy]

do you have easy access to one of these special units or something else to suggest that you should get it for free??

Yes.


:shifty:

[Night Falcon]

Yes.


:shifty:

...and the generoisty of Nelsoanianians..Nelsoooonians..Nelsonities...err.. ..peopole who live in Nelson to share their many privilages with the wider motorcycling commuinty is legendary :shifty:

[NordieBoy]

Only yesterday I was called in to fix some PowerCommander issues on a bike.

We had a real problem once with an Aprilia. You could hear the dyno drum wound up and down, up and down...

Checked the dyno brake and everything. Turned out the knurling on the drum is getting old and we were getting wheelspin :D

[Night Falcon]

Tire choice made! now to get it fitted and see how long those pretty knobs last :corn:

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-08-17171556.jpg

[vegeman]

Tire choice made! now to get it fitted and see how long those pretty knobs last :corn:

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-08-17171556.jpg

The tyre looks great, and the reports of them seem to rate high. What was the price for these bad boyz

[Night Falcon]

The tyre looks great, and the reports of them seem to rate high. What was the price for these bad boyz

$260 plus $10.00 freight. quoted $248 delivered for an E07. So thought I'd give it a go for extra $22.00....time will tell if its money well spent....or not?

[.chris]

$260 plus $10.00 freight. quoted $248 delivered for an E07. So thought I'd give it a go for extra $22.00....time will tell if its money well spent....or not?

Jesus, the E07 popularity has increased the price, I got mine for $170 postage included. I reckon I should buy a few of those TKC 80's while they are on special if all the prices are going to head this way.

[Night Falcon]

Jesus, the E07 popularity has increased the price, I got mine for $170 postage included. I reckon I should buy a few of those TKC 80's while they are on special if all the prices are going to head this way.

was expecting $180 or therabouts for an E07 and that was direct from LMS importers....and yes I did ask them to check the price! :confused:

[JATZ]

Jesus, the E07 popularity has increased the price

Ya hear that Nordie ?
I think you and I better start telling folks how crap the 705's are:shifty:

[NordieBoy]

Ya hear that Nordie ?
I think you and I better start telling folks how crap the 705's are:shifty:

And trials tyres :shifty:

[Night Falcon]

Put 150 klm on the new K60 on Saturday, scrubbed it in nicely...mostly sealed road with a 5k gravel and clay section. First impressions are very positive....griped well and hooked up nicely on the gravel. It was VERY cold and icey up in the Kawekas so was being a little cautious but so far so good. The lads at hastings honda were also impressed; they'd never heard of hiedenau tires before.

Its great to be riding again :Punk:

[Night Falcon]

I believe it was a toyota....definately wont pass its next WOF:Police:

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-08-28090652.jpg

[NordieBoy]

Not enough tread depth on that tyre...

[RideLife]

.... if these tyres are even better...I'd have to get them as well. Where did you buy from?


I think hes the KTM dealer in New Plymouth (only importer)...he advertises on trademe....but gave me a nice kiwi biker discount which was enough to swing it. If the reviews Ive read about this tire are half true it will be the longest lasting tire I've had....heres hoping anyway:Punk: plus I think it looks abit sexier than the E07 :love:

Thanks for the mention NF, But just to clarify... I'm not the NP KTM shop (Northwest), though I associate closely with them. RideLife is my own separate business promoting on Trademe and KB. (just shows, I need to get some Business cards sorted out for my customers)

re milage: Just had a KB'er from Hamilton ride down yesterday to have his second 150/70-18 Scout (+ front) put on his 990 after 10 000kms on his last one.



Put 150 klm on the new K60 on Saturday, scrubbed it in nicely...mostly sealed road with a 5k gravel and clay section. First impressions are very positive....griped well and hooked up nicely on the gravel. It was VERY cold and icey up in the Kawekas so was being a little cautious but so far so good. The lads at hastings honda were also impressed; they'd never heard of hiedenau tires before.
Its great to be riding again :Punk:

Glad your enjoying them NF.

Heidenau Ed.... Heidenau! - (old Poulan Chansaws joke)
pronouced - Hi-din-ow

[Night Falcon]

Not enough tread depth on that tyre...

theres hardly any tread left on the front tires :laugh:


........his second 150/70-18 Scout (+ front) put on his 990 after 10 000kms on his last one.

repeat business is always a positive sign....hope I get 10K out of mine :shifty: I am liking the feel of my new Hiedi....as expected some adjustment in technique is required to loft the front end on sand as it dosn't have the bite of the T63 or TKC80 :no: Like all dual sport tires there's always some compromising I spose :mellow:

[vegeman]

....hope I get 10K out of mine :shifty: I am liking the feel of my new Hiedi....as expected some adjustment in technique is required to loft the front end on sand as it dosn't have the bite of the T63 or TKC80 :no: Like all dual sport tires there's always some compromising I spose :mellow:

Wow...I can't comphrehend 10K, as in my simple mind...distance=hard=no grip=shit... BUT the mitas E07 has changed that viewpoint. I had always been running tkc80's..and only getting a couple of 2K-4K + a few more depending on the miles incurred..so seeing that the E07's are still useable now after god knows how many kays (i;ve done 4K, previous owner ?K)...I'm starting to become a beleiver in performance and distance.

Perhaps run the i-din-know's on the rear, and then get a different for the front?

I'll get a scout rear, when the mitas wears out...eventually

[NordieBoy]

I'll get a scout rear, when the mitas wears out...eventually

I got 15,000 out of my first E07 rear on the DR.

[clint640]

so seeing that the E07's are still useable now after god knows how many kays (i;ve done 4K, previous owner ?K

The tyres on your 690 were pretty much new when you got it, I put those on it when I serviced it after getting back from the Burt (noted kms on some duct tape on the airbox IIRC) & I don't think it did many k's between then & you buying it.

Cheers
Clint

[Night Falcon]

Wow...I can't comphrehend 10K, as in my simple mind...distance=hard=no grip=shit...

you just never know until you try it yourself....some will run their tyres bald azz until the tube starts pokin out like hernia, an claim its still good :gob:.....me, I tend to ditch them when I have to put my glasses on to see the centre tread. Although with my eysight I may have to start using brail :laugh:

[vegeman]

The tyres on your 690 were pretty much new when you got it, I put those on it when I serviced it after getting back from the Burt (noted kms on some duct tape on the airbox IIRC) & I don't think it did many k's between then & you buying it.

Cheers
Clint

thanks Clint...I wasn't sure if you had done the SI trip on them as well.

I'm up to nearly 18K on the bike now so that means I've done 4K since purchase, and they are still working (noting Nordies comments) I went up the maungatuk's and got up all the clay sections fine albeit some precise throttle management. My mate dropped around recently and the first thing he noticed & surpised was that the tyre was still looking good..considering our point of reference has been TKC's and how much extra power the 690 has at the wheel


v

[Night Falcon]

.... My mate dropped around recently and the first thing he noticed & surpised was that the tyre was still looking good..considering our point of reference has been TKC's and how much extra power the 690 has at the wheel

Cant see myself buying another TKC, they are way to expensive for the life expectancy, especially as half the knobs disappaer in the first 500-1K's...T63 is cheaper and seems to keep the tread a bit longer...mine has done about 2k and has heaps knobby left. I'm saving it for the next Capital Coast Ride. :Punk:

[warewolf]

We had a real problem once with an Aprilia. You could hear the dyno drum wound up and down, up and down...

Checked the dyno brake and everything. Turned out the knurling on the drum is getting old and we were getting wheelspin :DDrum dynos are not very accurate much above 100hp due to the difficulty in eliminating wheelspin.

[NordieBoy]

Drum dynos are not very accurate much above 100hp due to the difficulty in eliminating wheelspin.

90Kg situated on the pillion seat worked fine :shifty:

A little freaky having an Aprilia revving it's tits off in a small enclosed room for this 90Kg I can tell you.

[Night Falcon]

kawekas

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-09-04151319.jpg

Black head beach...we got here after some careful navigation around major slips which have blocked the beach access...low tide access only!
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-09-10105735.jpg

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-09-10102726.jpg

good to be back riding with the 950...1st outing in over 4 months !
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-09-10133852.jpg

[Crim]

Drum dynos are not very accurate much above 100hp due to the difficulty in eliminating wheelspin.

The exact reason I haven't bothered putting the KLR on one ........:killingme

[Night Falcon]

....give her the berries Jimmy :corn: fantastic days riding!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtmGnCefBWU

[Night Falcon]

Not up to the class of Nordies videos but I like the sound track :facepalm:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67dR8Pn3tis

[vegeman]

I replaced my original tank bolts with those from Rally Raid. This includes the 2 top bolts and the one long bolt and sleeve for the lower part. I mod'd the top bolts to make them like the one-peice Aussie ones as the RR require you to use a hex bolt from the inside of the frame that screws into the machined piece (this is a pain in the arse to install)...anywayz

When I got home and began the slow process of cleaning all the f'n clay and shit off the bike (I forget how real trail riding drives crap into everything), I notice my tank/seat assembly had some freeplay...eek.

I notice that both top bolts had loosened, The left hand side wasn't too bad and tightened up easily...the right side was spinning around and around...huh?

The left hand side has a welded nut to the frame that you can clearly see and the bolt, tightens nicely into that. The Right side, had no welded nut so the exposed bolt just spun around...strange. I found a high tensile nut and managed to get that on and it all tightened up nicely. hmmm...I can't recall if the right side 'has' a nut welded there in the first place...I can't find any picture...so perhaps some kind and considerate 690 owner can have a look and confirm if there is a nut welded there?

I'm going to have a better looksy tonight to see if there is anything on the right side that supposed to have threads...cos' nothing was binding.

[Triwi]

I replaced my original tank bolts with those from Rally Raid. This includes the 2 top bolts and the one long bolt and sleeve for the lower part. I mod'd the top bolts to make them like the one-peice Aussie ones as the RR require you to use a hex bolt from the inside of the frame that screws into the machined piece (this is a pain in the arse to install)...anywayz

When I got home and began the slow process of cleaning all the f'n clay and shit off the bike (I forget how real trail riding drives crap into everything), I notice my tank/seat assembly had some freeplay...eek.

I notice that both top bolts had loosened, The left hand side wasn't too bad and tightened up easily...the right side was spinning around and around...huh?

The left hand side has a welded nut to the frame that you can clearly see and the bolt, tightens nicely into that. The Right side, had no welded nut so the exposed bolt just spun around...strange. I found a high tensile nut and managed to get that on and it all tightened up nicely. hmmm...I can't recall if the right side 'has' a nut welded there in the first place...I can't find any picture...so perhaps some kind and considerate 690 owner can have a look and confirm if there is a nut welded there?

I'm going to have a better looksy tonight to see if there is anything on the right side that supposed to have threads...cos' nothing was binding.

Vegeman. There should be a square nut welded to the frame on RH side as well. I have replaced top and bottom parts with 13mm shaft size (12mm original) which forces them (using lube) into the bushes. No play now so hopefully prob is fixed. Next time round will make 10mm thread instead of the 8mm original to make all round stronger system.
Hope this helps
Triwi

[vegeman]

Vegeman. There should be a square nut welded to the frame on RH side as well. I have replaced top and bottom parts with 13mm shaft size (12mm original) which forces them (using lube) into the bushes. No play now so hopefully prob is fixed. Next time round will make 10mm thread instead of the 8mm original to make all round stronger system.
Hope this helps
Triwi

Thanks Triwi...the welded nut is completely gone. pox!
247471

I would say that the Rally Raid method for attaching probably would have prevented this failure, as they use a high tensile cap screw from the inside of the frame, back out through the welded nut into the tank bolt.

you can see now that I used a high tensile flanged nut to hold the bolt now instead of the welded nut.
247472


I think now that all the upgraded tank bolts that rely on the weld nut are vulnerable....replace asap.

[vegeman]

I got 15,000 out of my first E07 rear on the DR.

I'd believe that...my E07's must be just be reaching the granite section of the tyre as they have stopped wearing (not really, but sheesh...they are tough). I did the KMCC ride week before last, and wasn't nice to them on anything hard, plus I then just did a quick 380K blast yesterday, and they are refusing to show signifigant wear. I'm sure this relates to other tyres also showing signs of wear, but these are tough.

I will say now though that while they did the mud, clay sections in the KMCC..the rear did slip a few times on the downhills and try to overtake the front (but that would have probably happened anyway) but the ride yesterday showed that hardness of rubber and lack of traction are starting to become noticeable

I rode to palmy from lower hutt but detoured over the rimutakas to martinborugh - hinekura - gladstone for a quick gravel blast, and the rear was having no fun at all trying to grip (wheel spin any gear) ...and very slippery on brakes. I let more air out to help but not really noticeable. On the return trip (after the rugger) the rear gave me a few little wake-up calls on acceleration and it broke free on take off, and once at 110...so yes there is more tread there, but I think the good rubber has gone.

Clint mentioned that the mileage of the tyres installed was around 11.5Ks, I got it around 13.5K's and its now on 18.5K's...so thats pretty darn good. Its nice to know that you could do a big adventure ride and know that you could get back without a change.

So NF...hows the heidenaus treating you. Also I see you are a frequent rider around the blackhead, shoal bay (aramoana)? I recognised the photos. My brother in law has a batch (really a house) at Shoal. I've ridden there once since getting the 690 and due for another blast there. Whats the roads like from porangahau? I know that there is a big slip from Blackhead to shoal (surely you can ride over the slip :-D)

V

[.chris]

While riding on the weekend, was giving her a fair bit of the juice and the bike died, it cut out completely (on the motorway on-ramp), was quite worried as it did a bit of a pop at the time, felt I might have blown something.

But it turns out my fuel line quick disconnect (the stock one under the seat) had disconnected, it was pure luck I noticed it. really unsure of how it would have come un-clipped to the point it disconnected completely. At least it was an easy fix.

[vegeman]

While riding on the weekend, was giving her a fair bit of the juice and the bike died, it cut out completely (on the motorway on-ramp), was quite worried as it did a bit of a pop at the time, felt I might have blown something.

But it turns out my fuel line quick disconnect (the stock one under the seat) had disconnected, it was pure luck I noticed it. really unsure of how it would have come un-clipped to the point it disconnected completely. At least it was an easy fix.


eek. :shit:..thats never good. I think I'll check mine as well ...I hate shite like that.

Unrelated to the bike...but the feeling is the same...I had a moment in my Nissan Pathfinder a few years ago, under load sudden loss of power, heaps of smoke, tears in my eyes, as the engine has just gone out of warranty (wife...said to kids "nobody talk to dad")
anyway...like you, had a quick look under the hood, and while staring I saw that the turbo hose had blown off....the hoseclip wasn't tight enough, so I splashed out and bought a new stainless one for about $3 immediately.

Is this disconnect thing easy to find...I've had no need to check

[vegeman]

This morning and last week, by the time I crawled into the office, my engine has hit all bars flashing and the red overheat light. Yes, I had been sitting at lights, and putting into town, but was curious to see that it did. I had already check fluids the first time, and even lovingly cleaned the radiator fins with a toothbrush (wife thought i looked pretty obessed...as I guess it does have its funny side)

I see now that, there is a lower temp sensor available to trigger the fan to come on earlier and prevent it sneaking up.

ITs only the commute that causes the issue...everything else to date is fine, I dont think its a major but...hey, its about the bling and the mod's

You guys thought about getting one???

[Night Falcon]

.....So NF...hows the heidenaus treating you. Hey Veg...so far I'm very impressed! some wear of course but nowhere as much as previous tires and I haven't spared the rod on it. :facepalm: Hooks up good on grass and loves the beaches!:woohoo: cool on gravel as well.:yes:


....Whats the roads like from porangahau? I know that there is a big slip from Blackhead to shoal (surely you can ride over the slip :-D)V The problem is at Aromoana...BIG slip right to the low tide water line..we managed to limp our bikes past it over the papa and got round to Blackhead but impassible at anything past low low tide!:crybaby:...let us know next time you up this way...be great to catch up for a burn:scooter:


But it turns out my fuel line quick disconnect (the stock one under the seat) had disconnected, it was pure luck I noticed it. really unsure of how it would have come un-clipped to the point it disconnected completely. At least it was an easy fix. that can be disconserting! Gave mine the once over during my enforced respite :angry: checked & cleaned all the connections I could find. you can never do too much pre ride checking though!


I see now that, there is a lower temp sensor available to trigger the fan to come on earlier and prevent it sneaking up.

ITs only the commute that causes the issue...everything else to date is fine, I dont think its a major but...hey, its about the bling and the mod's

You guys thought about getting one??? Haven't needed to bother? they do get hot idling about but never had mine get to all the bars? I'd get dealer to do a quick check of ya cooling system to be safe. Hows ya oil level...when was it replaced? mine runs cooler on 10w50 than 10w60 motorex (or is that vice versa?) :shutup: (changed the grade as recommended by Paterson O'conner at last change....I can check if you would like to know?)

[clint640]

This morning and last week, by the time I crawled into the office, my engine has hit all bars flashing and the red overheat light. ???

Did the fan come on at all? On my 640 I had the thermoswitch jam, wasn't switching at all. Pulled it out & gave it a burst of gas torch & it started working again.

Cheers
Clint

[.chris]

I have only once had my bike hit the red for overheating (curse you sand dunes) my fan switches on no problems.

Had a look at why I had that problem with my fuel line, and to stop it rubbing on the inside of the top tank bolts, I have it cable-tied down a bit to hold it away, but the last mechanic to touch it looks like he tried to route it above that bolt, which would have stressed it a little, and I guess the awesome G-Forces created by accelleration (:love::whistle:) must have pulled it out.

I do have to get my clutch fixed shortly, it has been loosing a bit of fluid lately.

Heading away for a decent weekends riding this weekend, looking forward to that, as it has been a while since I have had a decent lenghty ride outside of the 09.

[vegeman]

Did the fan come on at all?

Cheers
Clint

Thanks...yeah, the fan was going for it. I was also thinking that even it might be going even faster when it hits max ie normal fan speed on at 11 bars, and then faster when its all flashing and the red light is on - I might be imagining

Both the coolant and oil have all be replaced recently so I'm happy with those...I also have thought about a manual switch but in the meantime. will keep an eye out on the forums and see how the 88C switch is working out. I also think the manufacturers generally get it right when they decide on a component...as there is always a domino effect that us mere mortals don't fully get yet.

[vegeman]

Hey Veg...so far I'm very impressed!

...let us know next time you up this way...be great to catch up for a burn:scooter:

mine runs cooler on 10w50 than 10w60 motorex (or is that vice versa?) :shutup: (changed the grade as recommended by Paterson O'conner at last change....I can check if you would like to know?)

Good to here the tyre is doing the biz...I think I'll have to wait another payday before getting one - I just bought some new Sidi Crossfire boots...they are excellent! Besides being a solid, well made MXish boot...they are very water resistant which was what I was hoping for. FAr better than I thought they'd be. The ankles have a pivot which makes gear selection and some walking manageable, and for me they are tall - meaning that my shins are protected from the tooth pegs when my feet have to touch the ground 'adventure boots' are too short meaning that flesh will get munted by dirt pegs.

Thanks for all the info. Yes, I'll drop you a note when I'm heading up...I'm hoping to get up there and help my bro-in-law clean up the place, then drink some bourbon by the outside fire :thumbsup: in the next month or so

I run the recommended 10W-60...and always err on changing it earlier than later.

[Night Falcon]

...I just bought some new Sidi Crossfire boots...they are excellent! Besides being a solid, well made MXish boot...they are very water resistant which was what I was hoping for.

I was gonna get a pair of Xies but opted for tech 10's instead. they are excellent boots with about the best ankle protection technology available and very comfortable.....only negitive is they are about as water tight as the Alamo after Mexican army has emptied its entire munitions suppy into it :blink: I think so called "Adventure" boots should be made illegal as they offer little or no protection for ya legs when it really counts!!!:angry:

[vegeman]

tech 10's ...

think so called "Adventure" boots should be made illegal as they offer little or no protection for ya legs when it really counts!!!:angry:

oooo...:yes: tech10's are full on boots for sure, interesting that they were so leaky...perhaps they are more worried about getting water out, than keeping trying to stop it getting in, in the first place. Like gumboots, are really good until you stand too deep:facepalm:

Yeah, I like the idea of the adventure boot, but they just don't cut for real adventures....some of them are nice to walk in! what the...I ain't doing no walking!

[vegeman]

Hey,
just an update on more tweaks...

I've got another thread going on the motard section regarding fueling motard dyno (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/141021-KTM-690e-motard-Dyno-report-with-Leo-Vince-SBK-muffler-running-standard-map) and dyno chart but the essence of the thread is that I have uploaded the Akra Map.

While the bike was happy under full throttle...it was hotter, stalling, and a I bit vague at lower rev's. The akra has fixed all that...feels better.

I also installed the KTM 690 luggage rack, as the one clint made was ideal if you wanted to leave it on. I've been hit in the back and butt from some more exuberant off roading, so I wanted a smaller form factor. Fortunately, I've manage to make a new adaptor to take clints base and givi plate...which fits nicely to the unit.

The wolfman tank bag is also proving to be a real good unit

[Night Falcon]

Hey,
just an update on more tweaks...

I've got another thread going on the motard section regarding fueling motard dyno (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/141021-KTM-690e-motard-Dyno-report-with-Leo-Vince-SBK-muffler-running-standard-map) and dyno chart but the essence of the thread is that I have uploaded the Akra Map.

While the bike was happy under full throttle...it was hotter, stalling, and a I bit vague at lower rev's. The akra has fixed all that...feels better.

I also installed the KTM 690 luggage rack, as the one clint made was ideal if you wanted to leave it on. I've been hit in the back and butt from some more exuberant off roading, so I wanted a smaller form factor. Fortunately, I've manage to make a new adaptor to take clints base and givi plate...which fits nicely to the unit.

The wolfman tank bag is also proving to be a real good unit

hmmmm verly interesting...its funny how many disenting opinions there are on the merits of the akra map...guess the real experts/manufactures new what they were talking about after all :shifty:

Luggage rack photos please :blink:

The tank bag would be handy but not so good with safari tank:sick:

[dmc]

I beat the shit out of my Crossfires when I had my 950, they are one of the best boots for adventure riding that I've even tried. The do squeak like mad when you walk but the idea is not to do to much of that.

[vegeman]

I beat the shit out of my Crossfires when I had my 950, they are one of the best boots for adventure riding that I've even tried. The do squeak like mad when you walk but the idea is not to do to much of that.

good to hear, and yes they can be squeaky mutha-fathers for sure...I know the guys in the office can hear me coming... :-)

[dmc]

Taking the toe caps off is worth while unless you intend to take it seriously offroad, you don't make as much noise with them off or stratch peoples floors and I bashed them into rocks etc and never noticed any difference, probably worth having if you're doing a moto but I doubt thats going to happen 8).

[vegeman]

hmmmm verly interesting...its funny how many disenting opinions there are on the merits of the akra map...guess the real experts/manufactures new what they were talking about after all :shifty:

Luggage rack photos please :blink:

The tank bag would be handy but not so good with safari tank:sick:

Yes :-D...thats the trouble with forums or the public, everyone has a view...and not all of them perfect. I proved that the bike will run with the original map and slip-on muffler, it showed great power on the dyno but down low it still ok-ish...but better with Akra. Seeing the very white spark plug, and also those hotter moments also showed that its just too lean down low. You did yours - yes?

some photo's showing the KTM hard parts luggage adapter ($180NZ ish...everybody asks)
Wolfman bag (can't remember but $200 ish seems about right.

You can see how the KTM part is nice low profile, and then you can see how I bolt on the givi plate. The alu side bars give the saddle bags something to sit against as well as give the givi plate some extra support.

I do like the fit of the KTM parts...it came complete with new bolts, spacers etc...so a nice easy install....unlike the neoprene gaitors.:facepalm: I put on the KTM full length neoprene gaitors to protect the fork sliders. (I've had to do the seals once because of shit getting in there) and was thinking about hot sticky roads and tar sticky to them...anywayz. I got the RHS on relatively simple but the LHS with the brake !@#$ bracket.......that would not stretch over it at all. take the forks out of the triple clamp...hmmm so much for a quick job
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[clint640]

I also installed the KTM 690 luggage rack, as the one clint made was ideal if you wanted to leave it on. I've been hit in the back and butt from some more exuberant off roading, so I wanted a smaller form factor. Fortunately, I've manage to make a new adaptor to take clints base and givi plate...which fits nicely to the unit.


It was actually my bro that made the carrier rack, I didn't like the look of those high front corners on it either, the KTM rack looks much safer. I had made side pannier racks to bolt to my bro's rack, I adapted them to fit Chris' B&B carrier the other weekend. Once he's filed down all my birdshit welding & painted them he might post some pics.

Cheers

Clint

[.chris]

It was actually my bro that made the carrier rack, I didn't like the look of those high front corners on it either, the KTM rack looks much safer. I had made side pannier racks to bolt to my bro's rack, I adapted them to fit Chris' B&B carrier the other weekend. Once he's filed down all my birdshit welding & painted them he might post some pics.

Cheers

Clint

Yeah, I am almost done with the painting. I spent quite a few hours with the files/sandpaper to clean them up and re-shape a bit, but now I have done a couple of layers of paint it now shows all the bits I should have paid more attention to.
But oh well, I am using some crap paint so it will probably fall off first ride out.

But.... I have been making some changes to the bike.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gMxRpyFoo0s/Tp99t54R-RI/AAAAAAAAKi8/AuK94bS1izU/s800/IMG_5834.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-AsvD9D9uOto/Tp99yLoDSXI/AAAAAAAAKjA/DaDGAgDLfMA/s800/IMG_5830.jpg

Sounds so good. I tried to do a video to compare it with the baffle in/out but my camera seems to normalize the audio so they both sound similar. But jesus its loud without the baffle.

[.chris]

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[Night Falcon]

That sounds almost as good as my FMF :laugh: and looks mean azzz! is that the leo that was on trade me?

[.chris]

That sounds almost as good as my FMF :laugh: and looks mean azzz! is that the leo that was on trade me?

Yeah trade-me special, got it for a good price.

[Night Falcon]

Yeah trade-me special, got it for a good price.

have you remapped?

[.chris]

have you remapped?

Nope, I am still running the standard maps. I have only tried the standard map so far, and it runs lovely.

I might get the akra map loaded next time she is in the shop, but I am a if it aint broke, dont try and fix it kind of guy.

[Night Falcon]

Nope, I am still running the standard maps. I have only tried the standard map so far, and it runs lovely.

I might get the akra map loaded next time she is in the shop, but I am a if it aint broke, dont try and fix it kind of guy.

I hear ya...you probably read previous comments on this but my KTM mechanic said the stock map is soley designed for the nuke exhaust with its restricted air and cat-converter. After market exhausts which allow the engine to breathe a bit easier changes the FI mix...having said that if your running the silencer I dont think it makes a huge difference?

[.chris]

I hear ya...you probably read previous comments on this but my KTM mechanic said the stock map is soley designed for the nuke exhaust with its restricted air and cat-converter. After market exhausts which allow the engine to breathe a bit easier changes the FI mix...having said that if your running the silencer I dont think it makes a huge difference?

Yeah I had half expected problems, but my bike was running a bit rich prior to the new exhaust. But now it seems to be fine.

I will give it a try on the other settings see how that goes, looking nice out there at the moment could be a good day for a sneaky afternoon ride.

[Night Falcon]

Yeah I had half expected problems, but my bike was running a bit rich prior to the new exhaust. But now it seems to be fine.

I will give it a try on the other settings see how that goes, looking nice out there at the moment could be a good day for a sneaky afternoon ride.

hummm mummble grumble mumble.....would love to go out for a spin, perfect conditions in the bay at the moment....but had some more surgery on the leg last week so have to play it cool for another week or two <_<...thenn lookout is all i can say! theres a lot of pent-up adventuring I need to unleash I tell ya :crazy:

[vegeman]

t had some more surgery on the leg last week so have to play it cool for another week or two

I saw the KTM powerpart cast, so was curious about the foot/leg...have you explained anywhere in the thread what that is about...bike related or life related?

[Night Falcon]

I saw the KTM powerpart cast, so was curious about the foot/leg...have you explained anywhere in the thread what that is about...bike related or life related?

Bike related :facepalm: not on this thread as it was prior to and the reason for the 690. I had an 07 990...the one with the dodgie low speed FI..anyway was happily coming into a nice left hander on an easy down hill stretch of gravel, low revs in third gear dropped it into 2nd....:facepalm: engine stalls locks rear end, small skid then catches on hardpack, highside, 220kg plus momentum lands on my leg, crushed left foot with mulitple fractures, broken tib & fib, damaged knee..yada yada. Second bit of bad luck was the surgeon removing the rod form my legg 12months later left one screw in while happily hammering out the rod and shattering my tibia in the process....hence 3yrs latter and 6 painfull opperations...but looking good now :violin:

[vegeman]

Bike related :facepalm: not on this thread as it was prior to and the reason for the 690. I had an 07 990...the one with the dodgie low speed FI..anyway was happily coming into a nice left hander on an easy down hill stretch of gravel, low revs in third gear dropped it into 2nd....:facepalm: engine stalls locks rear end, small skid then catches on hardpack, highside, 220kg plus momentum lands on my leg, crushed left foot with mulitple fractures, broken tib & fib, damaged knee..yada yada. Second bit of bad luck was the surgeon removing the rod form my legg 12months later left one screw in while happily hammering out the rod and shattering my tibia in the process....hence 3yrs latter and 6 painfull opperations...but looking good now :violin:

...oh man!, I wish I hadnt asked...you poor bastard - that sounds shite to say the least.

Funny enough (if u can laugh), when I was last up your way at Shoal beach, I was heading to havelock along probably some of the same roads you travel no doubt on the 690 which was its first major outing, and during that ride I was starting to push it along as I was amazed at how easy it was to get along...anyway, was starting to get a little cocky - overcooked a corner, slid, couldn't correct enough (the trellis frame limits steerling lock) went into a ditch, high-sided and went down the road. forunately I flew further than the bike. The bike took it pretty well, I did strip one of the handle bars risers out of the triple clamp plus some other minor damages but nothing really.

heal fast, time for the rugger...go the AB's!!!

[Night Falcon]

..heal fast, time for the rugger...go the AB's!!!

Leg well on the mend...AB's WORLD CUP CHAMPIONS...all's good!!!:yes:

[vegeman]

Nope, I am still running the standard maps. I have only tried the standard map so far, and it runs lovely.

I might get the akra map loaded next time she is in the shop, but I am a if it aint broke, dont try and fix it kind of guy.

WOW...remapped, and opened the airbox...what a rocket now!

As you guys know, I got the remap done this week, and while it feels better alround, more repsonsive and idles better...I hadn't actually taken it for a proper fang...which I just did this morning. Before I went over the rimutakas, I opened up the airbox (it had been extensively drilled before which I had taped up, but now have removed it so it can breathe better

OMG...what a fricken weapon, the bike was fast before, but now its bloody quick..from 6000 - 8000 (yes it rev's higher now) it pulls like a school boy, its like its got a new cam. Combine that with the 2nd and 3rd power restriction gone, it made the sprint from corner to corner far more agressive.

Honestly, I'd recommend anyone with the 690 to do this upgrade....do it Chris - just pay for an hours labour to get the and your bike will be the dakar machine.

holy shit...I'm still amazed:shit:

[Night Falcon]

WOW...remapped, and opened the airbox...what a rocket now!

As you guys know, I got the remap done this week, and while it feels better alround, more repsonsive and idles better...I hadn't actually taken it for a proper fang...which I just did this morning. Before I went over the rimutakas, I opened up the airbox (it had been extensively drilled before which I had taped up, but now have removed it so it can breathe better

OMG...what a fricken weapon, the bike was fast before, but now its bloody quick..from 6000 - 8000 (yes it rev's higher now) it pulls like a school boy, its like its got a new cam. Combine that with the 2nd and 3rd power restriction gone, it made the sprint from corner to corner far more agressive.

Honestly, I'd recommend anyone with the 690 to do this upgrade....do it Chris - just pay for an hours labour to get the and your bike will be the dakar machine.

holy shit...I'm still amazed:shit:

He he he...I'm not one to say I told you so...but...:innocent:

[vegeman]

He he he...I'm not one to say I told you so...but...:innocent:

perhaps...you may have mentioned it in passing, but I think I still said it better...lol - 6-ninety rules!!!

I've recently put on the Pirelli MT21 front for the off-road stuff which is does well...but eek...it gives a head shake now at speed, whereas the D605's that were on before were rock solid. I've adjusted a few settings to help it, and pumping the pressure way up on the front helped...but 150+ aint time for speed wobbles

[Night Falcon]

perhaps...you may have mentioned it in passing, but I think I still said it better...lol - 6-ninety rules!!!

I've recently put on the Pirelli MT21 front for the off-road stuff which is does well...but eek...it gives a head shake now at speed, whereas the D605's that were on before were rock solid. I've adjusted a few settings to help it, and pumping the pressure way up on the front helped...but 150+ aint time for speed wobbles

Ive never had a full on front knobby on the 690 but the day is comming!! For high speed I think you need to get the wheels balanced but not sure MT21 is rated for that speed? I'm a bit of a novice when it comes to tires especially fronts....I'm currently running an E07 on the front which is wearing well but not confidence inspiring on gravel. Ive noticed the guys (and girl) that pass me on gravel usually have more aggressive fronts so I guess that gives them better steering?

[NordieBoy]

Ive never had a full on front knobby on the 690 but the day is comming!! For high speed I think you need to get the wheels balanced but not sure MT21 is rated for that speed? I'm a bit of a novice when it comes to tires especially fronts....I'm currently running an E07 on the front which is wearing well but not confidence inspiring on gravel. Ive noticed the guys (and girl) that pass me on gravel usually have more aggressive fronts so I guess that gives them better steering?

The 90/90/21, 130/90/18 and 130/90/17 are "R" rated - 170kph.

[vegeman]

The 90/90/21, 130/90/18 and 130/90/17 are "R" rated - 170kph.

yup...what he say.

the MT21 is a lot better offroad for sure, and will likely keep it on...as the wear down will improve things.

I've done my own kiwi special balance with small self made weights... quite simple and effective enough, with the wheel off and hanging off the work bench..its quite easy to see the natural heavy point so whack a few small spoke weights on the opposite side of the heavy point. Pretty primitive, but generally gets the vibration out the way.

My head shake is classic speed wobbles, and not vibration as such, it starts to wander and weave....

While the D605 wasn't ideal for turning on the gravel...it tracked straight - 159Kph on the gravel road out to ruakokapatuna, wairarapa...yee hah

[Night Falcon]

The 90/90/21, 130/90/18 and 130/90/17 are "R" rated - 170kph.

makes sence I suppose...don't they use the MT21 on the KTM rally bikes...Marc & Cyril would be riding fairly close to that speed fairly regularly one would imagine.....:gob:


159Kph on the gravel road out to ruakokapatuna, wairarapa...yee hah Team Vegman Dakar 2012??

[richyrich]

i use full on knobbies(dot rated ). would rather have the braking and cornering .i don't use rimlock on the front and one on the rear opossite side of the rim to the valve,looking at getting a tubliss setup if i can find a cheap shipping soarce.
the tkc 80s that came on my 690r were woefull in the gravel

[Night Falcon]

i use full on knobbies(dot rated ). would rather have the braking and cornering .i don't use rimlock on the front and one on the rear opossite side of the rim to the valve,looking at getting a tubliss setup if i can find a cheap shipping soarce.
the tkc 80s that came on my 690r were woefull in the gravel

Yeah I'm definately leaning towards knobs on the front at my next change....how well do they last? I found the TKC ok but the 690 shreaded it in no time so wont be getting another one any time soon....quite like the K60 scout I'm using at the moment though.

[.chris]

I love my Metzler Karoo 2's on the front end of my 690
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[vegeman]

makes sence I suppose...don't they use the MT21 on the KTM rally bikes...Marc & Cyril would be riding fairly close to that speed fairly regularly one would imagine.....:gob:

Team Vegman Dakar 2012??

I think that besides the KTM works riders having super human strength, they have steering dampers to assist with that shake....which I have considered for that kind of thing....maybe that can be another bling peice for the future :yes:

As for Dakar, probably not... BUT am thinking about going over the the Aussie Safari and doing the adventure tour which runs in parallell or immediately after. It would be a great way to do the 5 day event, experience it all, and see if a more serious commitment or desire remains. This way you can blast along, but if you want to switch down to non-race mode and have a cuppa...then its all good.

[vegeman]

the tkc 80s that came on my 690r were woefull in the gravel

I recall my TKC80's weren't too bad on my XR..but then again, it hardly ever hit the same speed as the might 690arrrrgh

[vegeman]

I love my Metzler Karoo 2's on the front end of my 690
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Tire choices hurt my brain...why do you like these, what else have to you had. I'll need a replacement read soon as the E07 'finally wearing". NF, has gone with hedianau which look pretty darn good. I've liked the wear of the E07, and their performance has been pretty good (its only been its wet weather performance on the tar thats scared me once or twice) but getting 2 - 3 times the wear compared to my old stable of TKC80's...I can cope.

Once I get some more commission or find some cash...I'm going to de-lace my 17" rims and buy a new set of 21 and 18's and re-lace them up. I'll have one set that is 90% dirt, 10% road and go with the more dirt centric road leagal knobblies...and the other set will be 60% road - 40% dirt such as the Anakees or something like that.

[dmc]

I recall my TKC80's weren't too bad on my XR..but then again, it hardly ever hit the same speed as the might 690arrrrgh

I hear that TKC's can handle speeds in excess of the 690 :shifty:

Not as agressive as some of the other options mentioned but for a knobbly they do a good job of most things.

[.chris]

Tire choices hurt my brain...why do you like these, what else have to you had. I'll need a replacement read soon as the E07 'finally wearing". NF, has gone with hedianau which look pretty darn good. I've liked the wear of the E07, and their performance has been pretty good (its only been its wet weather performance on the tar thats scared me once or twice) but getting 2 - 3 times the wear compared to my old stable of TKC80's...I can cope.

Once I get some more commission or find some cash...I'm going to de-lace my 17" rims and buy a new set of 21 and 18's and re-lace them up. I'll have one set that is 90% dirt, 10% road and go with the more dirt centric road leagal knobblies...and the other set will be 60% road - 40% dirt such as the Anakees or something like that.

I think I like them for the nice stability on the road/cornering while still having nobbs big enough to feel ok in the dirt. It probably just suits my ride style, I am guessing a TKC80 front would be similar.
I have also run, Sahara 3 to worn out (good road bias/irrelveant due to unavailabity in nz), then a karoo2, then a mt 21 (trademe special), which I did not like much (too buzzy), then a older Karoo which was very offroady and about as buzzy as the MT21, then onto the Karoo2 t, which I reckon is that nice mix between the roady type (sahara3/e07/scout etc) and a proper dirt bike tire.

[vegeman]

I think I like them for the nice stability on the road/cornering while still having nobbs big enough to feel ok in the dirt. It probably just suits my ride style, I am guessing a TKC80 front would be similar.
I have also run, Sahara 3 to worn out (good road bias/irrelveant due to unavailabity in nz), then a karoo2, then a mt 21 (trademe special), which I did not like much (too buzzy), then a older Karoo which was very offroady and about as buzzy as the MT21, then onto the Karoo2 t, which I reckon is that nice mix between the roady type (sahara3/e07/scout etc) and a proper dirt bike tire.

thanks for that...its nice to see that you have had a selection to compare, and all on the same machine...:beer:

At the moment, I feel like taking the MT21 off and going back to a more road stable tyre...but dollars are tight again after the spend up on new boots, and helmet (yes, Shoe DS hornet...nice)

[Night Falcon]

.......At the moment, I feel like taking the MT21 off and going back to a more road stable tyre...but dollars are tight again after the spend up on new boots, and helmet (yes, Shoe DS hornet...nice)

A mans just gotta have the right gear when riding his 690 :shifty:

[Waihou Thumper]

MT21 Rallycross? For the ride, these are cheap, under $250 for a pair....The guys went to the Sth Island with MT21's 990's, and a Tenere....
Lasted for the ride, over two weeks, ditched them and rode home on their dual purpose tyres....Well worth it I would say...Gonna chuck a couple on the Husky....

[MXNUT]

MT21 Rallycross? For the ride, these are cheap, under $150 for a pair...

Where can you get a pair of them from for $150.00 ????:gob:

[Waihou Thumper]

Where can you get a pair of them from for $150.00 ????:gob:

yep, my bad :) either the front tyre was missed at $94, or I typed too fast...Corrected, and still cheap aye..

[Night Falcon]

New graphics on the 690. Perferated on the tank so will see if it blisters?
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-10-30170817.jpg
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[Crim]

New graphics on the 690. Perferated on the tank so will see if it blisters?


now that is one flash looking ride you've got there :yes:

if you ever want to swap bikes for a comparison for a month or two just yell

[Night Falcon]

now that is one flash looking ride you've got there :yes:

if you ever want to swap bikes for a comparison for a month or two just yell

Thanks for the kind words...would love the oppertunity to swap for a while but unfortunately the cat has grown too fond of the orange beastie and since it pretty much rules the roost I don't like my chances....it even starts whining when I take it out for short rides....oh well....they arn't called Kat-tooms for nothing I suppose:innocent:

[vegeman]

New graphics on the 690. Perferated on the tank so will see if it blisters?

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/SpeedDaddy/2011-10-30170754.jpg

nice...and the graphics give the bike a lift for sure...like it !!!- alhtough is that a shopping basked on the front of your bike :lol: or just an optical illusion :lol:

While you are showing photos...I've just got my motard wheels on for another go at getting it sorted. (does that make my bike now an aventuromotard)

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You can see that I trimmed down the kickstand as it was far too long to work with 17" wheels (tip over). I got over the emotionals at taking a hacksaw to the foot of it. I brazed an aluminim pad to an alu 20mm rod, the rod then goes all the way in to give it strength. I then drilled and tapped a locking bolt to stop it falling out. Works good.

The bike is quite different with those wheels...still not sure, if I should keep or sell for 21/18's but at the moment ...no dollars so don't have a choice. They do look cool...yes?

[Night Falcon]

nice...and the graphics give the bike a lift for sure...like it !!!- alhtough is that a shopping basked on the front of your bike :lol: or just an optical illusion :lol:? no optical illusion...the only reason I was allowed to buy a 690 was if I could do the weekly groceries :cool:


The bike is quite different with those wheels...still not sure, if I should keep or sell for 21/18's but at the moment ...no dollars so don't have a choice. They do look cool...yes? looks cool for sure..you get them off a skate board right? :shifty:

[vegeman]

no optical illusion...the only reason I was allowed to buy a 690 was if I could do the weekly groceries :cool:

looks cool for sure..you get them off a skate board right? :shifty:

funny :killingme... and also feels the appropriate response to my shopping basket but regardless, this comment will be added to my "roost face list"...so that makes you have least 5 now. I don't know what the other 4 were for, but one is never enough :-)