Christchurch earthquakes

[jim.cox]

I feel that the home owners within the Red Zone have been offered a fair deal. .

Perhaps,

But what of those who have done significant work on their properties. There could be significant differences between the 2007 valuation and the value of their property as at 3 Sept 2010.

One of my colleagues built a house (complete with a required special earthquake proof foundation) and a granny flat in that period, the 450k value of which is not on the valuation...

[Maha]

Perhaps,

But what of those who have done significant work on their properties. There could be significant differences between the 2007 valuation and the value of their property as at 3 Sept 2010.

One of my colleagues built a house (complete with a required special earthquake proof foundation) and a granny flat in that period, the 450k value of which is not on the valuation...

That scenario was spoken about realised by Mr Key.
You/Them/They would enter into a sperate/individual talks with the Government to sort it out.
.......or, take the land only option and rely on the insurance company to top it up.

[far queue]

... I have rung them a few times and been told nothing beyond that I was on the urgent list, and then last week I was told that the assessors are doing 4 - 5 claims a day and that all i can do is wait. They have the photos, the valuations, the proof of purchase etc - what more do they need? How the hell can it take up to 2 hours to process what is basically an insurance claim?Either you or I are being told bullshit. I had the full EQC inspection about a fortnight ago. Nothing was mentioned about contents until I brought it up. The guys didn't want to know and told me to just fill in the claim form that I already had and post it in to EQC along with quotes and receipts for anything I'd already replaced. The address they gave me to send the form to was EQC PO Box 311 Wellington. If you don't have the form, I have a blank one I can scan and post up for anyone.


Oh and I'm classed as orange, so I don't know anymore than I did this morning.

[mashman]

But what of those who have done significant work on their properties. There could be significant differences between the 2007 valuation and the value of their property as at 3 Sept 2010.


There's a young family from Christchurch who have "moved" here for a time. He's a builder and did up their place over the last year or so. On the night that they were going to put in on the market, February happened.

[neels]

Oh and I'm classed as orange, so I don't know anymore than I did this morning.
Me too. Could be worse, could be white which means they haven't even started thinking about it yet. Could get messy if we get zoned red later, and you're behind around 5000 other house hunters that got their money 6 months ahead of you.

And for those who are wondering where their money from EQC has got to, saw this on facebook, explains a lot. :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc2GjOYgpeI

[ukusa]

What area are you working? Im in with the Spraydon and larger area hub... 'might' be able to help.

3 times ya bike arsed up... did you not learn after september? chock n prop mate...

I live in the St Albans/Edgeware area.
September = bike fell over, had a cover on it, landed aainst firewood, no damage.
February = bike fell over, landed on wooden box (firewood now gone), tank/pipes dented, steering lock buggered. I then learnt:weep:
June - bike fell over, this time I had a thick foam squab leaning against the aforementioned box, so no further damage, but was bloody heavy to pick up.

Now I am using a bike tie down also, handlebars to the rafter. it hopefully will swing now!

[Shadowjack]

And for those who are wondering where their money from EQC has got to, saw this on facebook, explains a lot. :lol:
Class, sir, pure gold!

[Grumph]

as I did and all has been repaired and now the company that I had do the work awaits payment.

Yeah, that's a whole extra can of shit....but you the homeowner are set.

Fark - looked at Landcheck site - all my old stamping ground round avonside incl the old family home - Red. Several mates places in Bexley - all Red. Even the parents of a well known racer's place - Red...
They say you can't go back - well that's true now....

[shrub]

Just been looking at the red zone. The house I sold in May - bang in the red zone and 3 of the 4 houses I made offers on - red zone. The house I ended up buying was just out of the red zone (about 2 streets away) in a block with ZERO liquifaction and no visible damage to any of the houses. All we have are cracks and a leaning garage, but even the cracks seem to be cosmetic.

I am so, so lucky.

[gsxr]

Why was EQC not set up to pay all costs in the event of an earthquake rather than a token gesture of $100,000 plus GST.Who is to blame for not ensuring its liability was increased in line with housing and land market trends.

Probably the least bullshit Ive heard in a long time. Still no answers but it isnt laced with bovine excreta.http://www.facebook.com/CanterburyEarthquakeRecoveryAuthority?sk=wall&filter=1

[gsxr]

OOOOPs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4PC-XF6XPw

[Paul in NZ]

Shit oh dear... Theres bugger all good going to come out of any of this I suppose.

As the man in the video said this is some of the worst quake damage seen anywhere ever so its easy to see why EQC came up short. I suppose the govt cant pay for everything to be as it was and lets face it - it just plain cant be can it? It wont be the same for anyone and we will all be paying for this for a looong time.. But I think their hearts in the right place and its a pretty good attempt.

[shrub]

I was at a meeting today with people including reps from CERA, GNS, EQC and the Council and we were told that the Feb quake was one of the most expensive events in insurance history and one of the top 5 most significant natural disasters in the last century and is on a par with Hurricane Katrina. The damage to the CBD is still being assessed and so far over 900 buildings will end up being demolished and the number may well end up over 1000.

It's kind of surreal.

I've taken on a contract that will have me working in what used to be the red zone in the CBD. It will be interesting and probably not very pleasant.

[dangerous]

the Feb quake was the most expensive single event in insurance history and one of the top 5 most significant natural disasters in the last century and is on a par with Hurricane Katrina. The damage to the CBD is still being assessed and so far over 900 buildings will end up being demolished and the number may well end up over 1000.

most expensive, top 5 most significant what.. in NZ, world or other?
and yes the CBD is well rooted, as is most of the east.

[shrub]

most expensive, top 5 most significant what.. in NZ, world or other?
and yes the CBD is well rooted, as is most of the east.

In the world

The recent Japanese one would be bigger but from what I understand most of the risk was absorbed by the Japanese government so the impact on insurance companies is not all that high and Haiti was not all that well insured.

[dangerous]

I was thinking the same, but it must be restricted to NZ when you consider events like the Kobe earthquake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hanshin_earthquake) and the Haiti earthquake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Haiti_earthquakehttp://).or the yank tornadios... but hey remembering shit aint cheap here and we are a small country compaired

[AllanB]

I am just agast that there is still a significant red zone in the CBD. Having been through it I am inclined to bring in the Americans and TNT the whole bloody lot.


Save it?

Save what?

Lots of old shitters that need 100% demo.

[dangerous]

I am just agast that there is still a significant red zone in the CBD. Having been through it I am inclined to bring in the Americans and TNT the whole bloody lot.


Save it?

Save what?

Lots of old shitters that need 100% demo.
and so do a lot of the new buildings... agree with the yanks aye, shit they could inplode the GC alone in 30secs.
But to be honest Id say 'they' need to get local malls and housing sorted over the CBD.

[onearmedbandit]

I was at a meeting today with people including reps from CERA, GNS, EQC and the Council and we were told that the Feb quake was the most expensive single event in insurance history and one of the top 5 most significant natural disasters in the last century and is on a par with Hurricane Katrina. The damage to the CBD is still being assessed and so far over 900 buildings will end up being demolished and the number may well end up over 1000.

It's kind of surreal.



Surreal, yeah most definitely.

or the yank tornadios... but hey remembering shit aint cheap here and we are a small country compaired

Yeah I deleted my post after rereading Shrubs post, missed the 'insurance history' part...

[AllanB]

But to be honest Id say 'they' need to get local malls and housing sorted over the CBD.

Yeah - I agree.

It will be interesting to see what the Govt do with all the houses etc they 'purchase'.

I suspect there may be a few tourched after people leave in disgust at what they reveived. Plus if my 'orange' turns 'red' in the future and they purchase the land I'll be out with the chainsaw if I can't sell the large trees etc as I'm F'ed if they are getting them for nix!

[FJRider]

Yeah - I agree.

It will be interesting to see what the Govt do with all the houses etc they 'purchase'.



I would say everything would be taken down to ground level ... green/forestry areas created ....

Everything above ground level ... will end up as landfill ...

[AllanB]

I would say everything would be taken down to ground level ... green/forestry areas created ....

Everything above ground level ... will end up as landfill ...

I hope so and I hope they do it quickly. Turn it to green areas and reserves.

[Spearfish]

Had the quake happened a bit later in the year the 2011 valuations would have been the payout so its lucky they are using the 2007.

Wait for the debate over the ones getting payouts who never had any insurance at all...

[Jantar]

...
Wait for the debate over the ones getting payouts who never had any insurance at all...
They aren't. The full compensation package is only for those who were insured.

[Shadows]

Why was EQC not set up to pay all costs in the event of an earthquake rather than a token gesture of $100,000 plus GST.

Because to cover every eventuality the levy up until now would have been far more than 6/10ths of fuck all and you and everybody else would have been complaining about that instead.

Kind of like ACC.

[dangerous]

It will be interesting to see what the Govt do with all the houses etc they 'purchase'.
as said all will be junked and the land looking at the red zone around and following the river (there will be a reason for there zoneing other than removing rooted properties) and you will find a reserve running from town out to the beach... walk ways bike ways etc... give it time.

[Winston001]

I suspect the Govt cheque will be made payable to the bank that holds the mortgage in the first instance - else people could take the money and leave.

Absolutely. Remember, the land is sold to the government and any money owing on that land (which includes buildings attached to it) must first be applied to secured debts. Rates, mortgages, and any other registered charges.

The owner gets what is left but can get a new mortgage for the replacement property. The problem will be the new loan is likely to be a larger sum. Plus people whose jobs have disappeared are in a real bind.


... insurance still covers for replacement value of the house so you wont just get the rates value. so its not so bad after all

You'd think so wouldn't you. However, what if the house is only partly damaged and easy to repair? Why would an insurance co pay out say $300k when $50k will do the repair.?

That is a core problem. The answer may have to be legislation which condemns all red zone properties = no repair possible = total loss = insurance co has to pick up the replacement tab.

Admittedly this problem doesn't exist if you simply take the house and land offer.

[Subike]

Will tenders come up for removal of some houses?
I am sure there would be some in the red zone that are still well worth repairing, but the land they sit on is fucked. Even those undamaged on solid land, but just in the zone.
So will there be the possibility of houses being picked up and relocated,
No problem with power lines or damaging roads, as they are going anyway.
A good weatherboard house, transfered to a section,
must be a viabile and swift action for someone without a home.
Now who already has a section that can be used.........put in a tender for removal of X house on X street?

[dangerous]

Absolutely. Remember, the land is sold to the government
I wonder if they will be asked to give it to some bunch that reckon ther were hard done by a couple a hundred years back...

[cynna]

You'd think so wouldn't you. However, what if the house is only partly damaged and easy to repair? Why would an insurance co pay out say $300k when $50k will do the repair.?

That is a core problem. The answer may have to be legislation which condemns all red zone properties = no repair possible = total loss = insurance co has to pick up the replacement tab.

Admittedly this problem doesn't exist if you simply take the house and land offer.

it gets worse - my parents house is in the red zone but is undamaged therefore it has nothing to do with the insurance company. they will only get the ratable value which probably wont even buy them the same size land anywhere let alone a house

a 3 bedroom house, 3 car garage with a 2 room sleepout on a .098 hectare section rated at $217 000!!

[ajturbo]

I wonder if they will be asked to give it to some bunch that reckon ther were hard done by a couple a hundred years back...

my grand parents lived in Sumner... i think i should be given some of that land...:mad:

[FJRider]

Will tenders come up for removal of some houses?
I am sure there would be some in the red zone that are still well worth repairing, but the land they sit on is fucked. Even those undamaged on solid land, but just in the zone.
So will there be the possibility of houses being picked up and relocated,
No problem with power lines or damaging roads, as they are going anyway.
A good weatherboard house, transfered to a section,
must be a viabile and swift action for someone without a home.
Now who already has a section that can be used.........put in a tender for removal of X house on X street?

I would say speed rather than cost will prevail ... Neighbourhoods gone in a day ...

[oldrider]

I wonder how many ex Christchurch houses will end up on the vacant sections across the road from us? :rolleyes:

[Grumph]

I've already been told of one case in Kaiapoi where the house was a write-off and the land was not much better...owner after receiving insurance and EQC payout approached the insurance co and asked if he could tender for the house.- less then 4 years old apparently..yes, sir you can.
Tendered - I was told 10 grand...cut the house into 3 - not a lot of cutting needed apparently, moved it to a section he already owned up Ohoka/west Eyreton way and reassembled his house.
Nice deal if you can get it...

[FJRider]

I wonder how many ex Christchurch houses will end up on the vacant sections across the road from us? :rolleyes:

The cost of getting them there, may prohibit that happening ... there's plenty of cheap(er ?) house's closer ...

[Subike]

The cost of getting them there, may prohibit that happening ... there's plenty of cheap(er ?) house's closer ...

you think so FJ, lets see

$15000 to demolish house $7000 to dump the rubble.
Owner buys a new house and builds in a new area. 6 mths
$15000 to remove house on transporter, $7000 to put on new foundations,
Owner moves into relocated house in 6 weeks,
Problem solved

I have no fucking idea what the costs would be in reality, just think its a realistic option that should be looked at.

[gsxr]

Because to cover every eventuality the levy up until now would have been far more than 6/10ths of fuck all and you and everybody else would have been complaining about that instead.

Kind of like ACC.

I believe our policies would have been at best the same or very slightly more as insurance companies have had to factor in the difference between EQC liability and actual insured value.
I don.t think anyone envisaged the utter destruction that has occurred in many areas of Christchurch nor the fact that it is impossible to maintain or repair infrastructure in certain areas of Christchurch nor any other city or community in New Zealand.
Quite simply a lot of the properties are below either sea level or the Avon River bed.
Whilst it is possible on occasions to push shit up hill in the long term scheme of things it isn't practical.

[FJRider]

you think so FJ, lets see

$15000 to demolish house $7000 to dump the rubble.
Owner buys a new house and builds in a new area. 6 mths
$15000 to remove house on transporter, $7000 to put on new foundations,
Owner moves into relocated house in 6 weeks,
Problem solved

I have no fucking idea what the costs would be in reality, just think its a realistic option that should be looked at.

You think so ... lets see ... a 20 Tonne digger's hire rate is about $120 an hour ... two hours and most houses are on the back of a truck heading for landfill ...

As opposed most of those affected ... want a HOME ... NOW .... and will take the money and BUY NOW ...

There will be some (business's) that may speculate during these times ... but I very much doubt if it will be very wide-spread ...

[gsxr]

The figure quoted at this afternoons public meeting was quoted by Roger Sutton at $15,000 for a standard house.
Page A9 of yesterdays press quotes "It costs a minimum of $15000 to $20.000 to demolish a house ".
Some are obviously going to make some seriously good money out of this.

[Winston001]

Its a tough call for all parties - government, council, insurance, and people.

Primarily the earthquake is pure bad luck. Just like a flood or hurricane. Or a heart-attack. Those with insurance are partly covered. EQC helps too. Taxpayers contribute emergency housing and welfare but that can only be temporary.

The taxpayer is going a lot further and buying condemned properties. That seems generous and compassionate to me. Is it realistic to get into arguments over existing valuations on 5000+ properties? Imagine how long that would take, the stress, the delay, the inevitable heartbreak for some.

No. I think the government offers are fair to our whole community.

[FJRider]

The figure quoted at this afternoons public meeting was quoted by Roger Sutton at $15,000 for a standard house.
Page A9 of yesterdays press quotes "It costs a minimum of $15000 to $20.000 to demolish a house ".
Some are obviously going to make some seriously good money out of this.

For A standard house ... about $5000 of that is transporter costs to GET the digger to (and from) the site ... plus costs, to transport/dispose of said house rubble in an enviromentally safe way ... $5000 ... permits/consents $5000

Take out a whole neighbourhood ... with council landfills pre dug to help "stabilise" some areas ...

Yep ... some serious money will be made here ...

[fuknKIWI]

... insurance still covers for replacement value of the house so you wont just get the rates value. so its not so bad after all

lucky you ...in fantasyland:mad:

[onearmedbandit]

Out in the garage on the laptop having a cig, watching everything including the brick wall moving around. Hopefully that's it for tonight, I'm off to bed.

[gsxr]

It appears from todays stance from the major Insurance Companies if one chooses either of the 2 options from last Thursdays govt speech you can not become insured again in Canterbury.Which means if you buy land you cant get a loan to rebuild as the house has to be insured.


As an aside
Would it be feasible to request Nga Tahu do a land swap of already developed land EG Wigram Air Base land in exchange for red zone land in a more developed state than they initially sold it for originally. Appears more than fair to me.Failing that Im told CERA has wide ranging and extra ordinary powers. In my mind it is time to excercise those powers and return the land to its rightful owners.

[dangerous]

As an aside
Would it be feasible to request Nga Tahu do a land swap of already developed land EG Wigram Air Base land in exchange for red zone land in a more developed state than they initially sold it for originally. Appears more than fair to me.Failing that Im told CERA has wide ranging and extra ordinary powers. In my mind it is time to excercise those powers and return the land to its rightful owners.

hahaha... never farking happen, them BB's will now make millions on Wigram they dont give a shit about people, its all money for them... but then you knew that LOL

[Grumph]

It will be interesting to see how CERA deals with Ngai Tahu - they have fairly extensive property holdings in the CBD I believe. Whatever happens had better be transparent and above board or there'll be some screaming....
I'll bet there are a screed of consent applications already in for developing Wigram - and what was originally going to be mainly residential is probably being changed to a business park asap. Access has to be improved though.

[gsxr]

With the wide ranging powers that CERA has been granted I believe it is time for CERA to use those powers and seize all land GIFTED to NgaTahu in a fair land swap for any current and subsequent red zoned land within Christchurch.
Current red zoned land is still substantially better than the condition it was originally sold in so any improvements above the condition it was originally sold in (aka swamp)should be recompensed from profits already received from land gifted to them.

[shrub]

With the wide ranging powers that CERA has been granted I believe it is time for CERA to use those powers and seize all land GIFTED to NgaTahu in a fair land swap for any current and subsequent red zoned land within Christchurch.
Current red zoned land is still substantially better than the condition it was originally sold in so any improvements above the condition it was originally sold in (aka swamp)should be recompensed from profits already received from land gifted to them.

CERA has the ability to compulsoraly acquire land at a price they decide, and at present that is around $1000 m2, well under what most landowners value it at (normally $3k - $5k per m2). Under the legislation currently in place they are required to give Ngai Tahu first refusal on that land when they go to onsell it.

I was talking to a chap from Ngai tahu last week, and he is very keen for the current CBD to undergo no development for some time. What that means is when the rent continuation insurance the landlords are living on will run out in September and/or Feb, there will be a lot of people wanting to quit their property, therefore willing to accept any price. They will then take their insurance payout and build somewhere else because insurance and finance for building here is getting hard to get.

Ngai Tahu will potentially end up owning most of the current CBD and will be well enough funded to be able to build a new city and we will be their tenants. They will also potentially own most of the vacated red zone which will be remediated and stabilised, so in 10 - 15 years time some very prime river front properties will be for sale.

Aussie is looking better every day.

[Winston001]

I'm coming to Chch in the next few days so I can see the reality. Photos and TV don't do it justice and don't show the context. What would be good is a high resolution aerial scan of the city so those of us who know the place but don't live there, can get a perspective.

Best wishes to you all.

[far queue]

What would be good is a high resolution aerial scan of the city so those of us who know the place but don't live there, can get a perspective.Here (http://eqviewer.co.nz/index-imagery.html?xmax=19218106.654261485&xmin=19217896.601724833&ymax=-5393006.715751372&ymin=-5393152.871709708) you go. Click the buttons to toggle between the pre 22/02 view and aerial mapping done on 24/02.

[shrub]

I'm coming to Chch in the next few days so I can see the reality. Photos and TV don't do it justice and don't show the context. What would be good is a high resolution aerial scan of the city so those of us who know the place but don't live there, can get a perspective.

Best wishes to you all.

What blows me away is that living in baghdad has become normal - i now don't give a smashed building a second glance.

I had a moment of quiet amusement yesterday - I was driving down a particularly bad road and this idiot woman was tailgating me, so I tapped my brakes. She dropped back, then right up my arse again, I tapped the brakes and she gave me the finger. About 100 m in front of me was a big old pothole - easily a metre across and pretty deep. At the last minute I swerved around it and watched in my mirror as she didn't, and the expression on her face was priceless. The last I saw of her was stationary in the middle of the road while cars drove around her.

[Grumph]

I hear what you're saying about Ngai Tahu - no one ever accused them of being slow to take an opportunity...

What's interesting at present is the little publicised stop on building work in the white zone...including I believe repairs to occupied houses.
No one seems to know who authorised this but it's got to have come from high up as I'd assume it's above Fletchers authority.
The problem with it is the lack of specifics - the white zone covers most of Canterbury...incl land which has had no problems since Sept last year.SDC are trying to get better definition of the areas concerned but having problems....

Left hand vs right....with no communication.

[imdying]

Acute propofol intoxication my arse, he lives! (http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/5213808/Mystery-donor-gives-5-million)

[Grumph]

Given the number of kids left in the eastern suburbs that's a ferkin big payout for each of them....
Should see the birthrate climb again in Aranui.

[Winston001]

Here (http://eqviewer.co.nz/index-imagery.html?xmax=19218106.654261485&xmin=19217896.601724833&ymax=-5393006.715751372&ymin=-5393152.871709708) you go. Click the buttons to toggle between the pre 22/02 view and aerial mapping done on 24/02.

Great, good man that's just what I was looking for. I couldn't for the life of me picture where the PGG and CTV buildings were.

[dangerous]

I'm coming to Chch in the next few days so I can see the reality. Photos and TV don't do it justice and don't show the context. you are very correct there, however all you will see is a shit load of cleared sections, CBD is still locked down but you can see up some streets that have not been cleared yet (streets are clear buildings are not), easten suburbs dont take site seers to well (even in a marked vechicle I get gleered at) most concerning to see is proberly the Grand... it plays with ya eyes cos ya know it just shouldnt be leaning like that.

[shrub]

most concerning to see is proberly the Grand... it plays with ya eyes cos ya know it just shouldnt be leaning like that.

On the day of the quake I was at Les Mills and a mate who was there at the same time called me across and pointed at it and said "Is that leaning?". It just seemed so fucked up and wrong, but it was. Small shops and old houses falling over and leaning I didn't have a problem believing, but the Grand Chancellor?

then I looked across at the CTV building and realised that we had just had the Big One.

[dangerous]

ChCh zones explained....

241921

[gsxr]

ChCh zones explained....

241921
So So very true.
Red zone was plainly obvious at dawn on September 5th to a blind man.
Orange zone some will be Ok most not.
As for the green zone we have a rental that is green The land is phucked and the house will eventualy be demolished according to Hawkins construction and State insurance.Untenantable and unlivable by the professional property manager but deemed livable by the call centre retard at State.
White zone. Yep kinda obvious some of it is phucked especially the ones in Sumner where part of the house is at the bottom of the cliff and what remains is still tettering on the edge. Hoe difficult is it to make that call ?????

[gsxr]

My Request to CERA

Does CERA and Roger Sutton actually have the special and extraordinary powers he claimed he and CERA have at the public meeting I attended.If so can you explain why CERA hasn't already exercised those powers to retrieve publicly owned land gifted to Nga Tahu.From my understanding the treaty settlement was supposed to address past wrong doings.In my investigations I can find no evidence of the agreement allowing Nga Tahu forming a corporation to exclude any return to the the tribe.It Is time NOW for CERA to exercise its powers.

[Grumph]

You're flogging a dead horse there mate - never happen.
The special powers of CERA don't include the ability to levitate the government off it's arse....or as far as I can see to change established policy re the indigenous peoples.
The best you can hope for is transparency in their dealings with Ngai Tahu.

You'd also better hope no one brings any of this to Hone's attention....last thing we need down here at present is his lot sticking their paddle in.

[ajturbo]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5222241/Auckland-jolted-by-earthquake

[dangerous]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5222241/Auckland-jolted-by-earthquake

Aucklanders were shaken by a magnitude-2.9 earthquake at 9.09pm tonight.
There were no reports of damageThere was a big jolt and Auckland doesn't get earthquakes, so this was scary,'' Dr Blue said



LMFAO... you dorklanders are so soft :violin: shaken... by a 2.9?... damage! only cos your coffee spilt over the rim of your danty wee coffee cups and onto ya florary napkins .. as for scary OHHH god help me, hehehe we dont feel any thing under a 4.0 fark me and they just feel like a bus driving past, do you know how many 100's of thousands stronger a 4 is over a 2 :facepalm:

ohh no look I feel for you sceard peops hey come down here for a cuddle (excludes ajturbo) and a break away from your 2.9 :corn:

[avgas]

Don't listen to the quotes near the epicenter re: Akl quake.
The epicenter was near mission bay. Definition of "flaccid penis" resides there.

It was a soft vibration.

[schrodingers cat]

Yes, truck stops at intersection outside home = 3.5 - 3.9

[jazfender]

LMFAO... you dorklanders are so soft :violin: shaken... by a 2.9?

Hey asshole, it's not our fault the media report on fucking everything.

Not to mention the fact that earthquakes aren't a measure of your cock size, even if it's a marked improvement for you.

[ajturbo]

fark jaz... you got ya period..?

if you cannot see my and Dangerous's piss take... you need to get a life..!

[jazfender]

fark jaz... you got ya period..?

if you cannot see my and Dangerous's piss take... you need to get a life..!

Definitely got some sick problems this morning.

Nah just that there's a growing tide of cantabs/non-aucklanders who are genuinely pissed off because the 2.9 made the front news and are taking it out on regular folk that darned got nothin' to do with it.

Should have seen the shit online last night... people seriously acting as though it's a competition.

How about bragging over something that didn't cause 200 people to die?

[Virago]

Christchurch people are doing themselves no favours with their scorn and ridicule, considering the relief donations pouring down from north of the Bombays.

This earthquake IS news, because of its extreme rarity in the region, and as such is being widely reported. In the same way that someone being shot today will be headline news, while the person killed by a drunk driver will barely get a mention, the rarity of the event will determine its newsworthiness.

[dangerous]

Hey asshole, it's not our fault the media report on fucking everything.

Not to mention the fact that earthquakes aren't a measure of your cock size, even if it's a marked improvement for you.

fark jaz... you got ya period..?

if you cannot see my and Dangerous's piss take... you need to get a life..!

OPPS... ummm, oh dear what have I done now :facepalm: ummm jazfender the post was a little fun mainly aimed at my good mate ajturbo hes not even a jafa (a wana be perhapes) please note the smilieys soory I offened your senitive feelings best you go back to the non decafe brews ;) ;) farking ;)




Christchurch people are doing themselves no favours with their scorn and ridicule, considering the relief donations pouring down from north of the Bombays.

This earthquake IS news, because of its extreme rarity in the region, and as such is being widely reported. In the same way that someone being shot today will be headline news, while the person killed by a drunk driver will barely get a mention, the rarity of the event will determine its newsworthiness.
I'm not going to reply to you other than saying... no love lost between us.


Definitely got some sick problems this morning.shit ya not up the duff then? shit AJ ya got that way wrong

[Kickaha]

aimed at my good mate ajturbo hes not even a jafa (a wana be perhapes)

He's a big enough prick to qualify as one, Hi AJ :finger:

[dangerous]

He's a big enough prick to qualify as one, Hi AJ :finger:

yeah yeah I know hell kickaha that comment was a piss take I cant stand the girl... I mean guy :innocent:

[jazfender]

OPPS... ummm, oh dear what have I done now :facepalm: ummm jazfender the post was a little fun mainly aimed at my good mate ajturbo hes not even a jafa (a wana be perhapes) please note the smilieys soory I offened your senitive feelings best you go back to the non decafe brews ;) ;) farking ;)

sorry bro, my building anger just happened to focus on you. nothin personal.

[imdying]

This is awesome (http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/5222590/Quake-sounds-familiar). Nice to know they stopped after a while hahahah.

[Virago]

...I'm not going to reply to you other than saying... no love lost between us...

Love you too, darling...

[Littleman]

I just know that when a volcanoe erupts in Auckland the spirited people of Cantebury will dig deep to help us out like the generous community that they are.

Post 118 of this thread.

[ajturbo]

He's a big enough prick to qualify as one, Hi AJ :finger:


yeah yeah I know hell kickaha that comment was a piss take I cant stand the girl... I mean guy :innocent:

:finger:.. to the both of ya...!!!!

Roll on Nov,.... i'll be down to sort ya out, now that you have time, you better get ready... D, i'm gonna drink ya single malt's like beer..

Kick, i'll take you on on the side car any day..!!! you pussy...

and stop going hard about OUR E-quake..... it must have been frighting to someone....you see the tv about it... nearly pissed myself with laughter...

Oh and one more thing... your both BITCHES....:drinkup:

[dangerous]

maybe... BUT we aint your bitch

Yeah I seen the TV LOL... poor bastards :blink:

[ajturbo]

maybe... BUT we aint your bitch




that maybe.. but i have heard that you WANT to be MY bitch....:woohoo:

[dangerous]

that maybe.. but i have heard that you WANT to be MY bitch....:woohoo:

been there done that... very disapointing


On the EQ side of things, the boss of the hub I do work for is hoping to be skoping by the end of next week, ofcourse work wont start happening again that soon.

[007XX]

Ok, i lost track of things... Who's the bitch of whom??

And dangerous, I didn't know you were that way enclined dear :blip:

Chch... If I thought praying would help, this little swearing atheist would be onher knees.

[Kickaha]

Ok, i lost track of things... Who's the bitch of whom??
.


AJ is everybody's BITCH

[KiwiPhoenix]

Ok, i lost track of things... Who's the bitch of whom??

And dangerous, I didn't know you were that way enclined dear :blip:

Chch... If I thought praying would help, this little swearing atheist would be onher knees.

Just ask Dangerous about Roger?? :shutup:

[007XX]

Just ask Dangerous about Roger?? :shutup:

Rodger that! :p

[FJRider]

Just ask Dangerous about Roger?? :shutup:

No ... ask ROGER .. about Dangerous ... :facepalm:

[dangerous]

Rodger that! :p
Roger http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php/27482-Roger I see many a KBer pictured but nothing to 'dangerous'
*see albums

[Oakie]

I'm confused. Who rogered Dangerous?

[007XX]

Roger http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php/27482-Roger I see many a KBer pictured but nothing to 'dangerous'
*see albums

Oh for the love of baby lemurs everywhere! You boys are just all kinds of wrong sometimes!



I'm confused. Who rogered Dangerous?

Ooooohh... You want in on the action, eh Oakie??!!

[KiwiPhoenix]

I'm confused. Who rogered Dangerous?

Roger rodgered Dangerous!!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/96045-2009-South-Island-KB-Rally/page55?highlight=South+Island+rally

P55, post #816

[helenoftroy]

EQC has put a rebuild of my ChCh house at $450k & $193k to repair,that was after Feb quake,wont reassess after further damage from June as am over EQC cap

No idea what land remediation will cost,not EQCs problem......

Now will wait to see what costings insurance company come up with

and I have moved to paradise,thank god!:yes:

[Grumph]

Cheer up - it might still become red zone....odds on there'll be more areas condemned yet.
Waikawa Bay - you lucky,lucky person....enjoying the commute to Blenheim ?

[helenoftroy]

Cheer up - it might still become red zone....odds on there'll be more areas condemned yet.
Waikawa Bay - you lucky,lucky person....enjoying the commute to Blenheim ?

Haahaa !! I would love to be red zone ! would take the government payout in a flash then, at least,I could move on & not be paying two mortages

Waikawa Bay is a truly magic place to live:woohoo:...dont mind the 1/2 hr trip at all,open road most of it:yes:
Finally getting the damaged Aprilia(from Feb) fixed & am itching to have a bike to do the commute on

[Oakie]

Blenheim area. If I were to leave Christchurch that's probably my favoured place too move to. Quite happy to stay here but I must admit to keeping an eye out in case the right HR Manager role comes up in that area. We holidayed there three years ago and thought it was great (apart from riding into that swarm of bees).

[shrub]

We're seriously considering packing our bags and moving on. I should have my Masters finished by Jan - Feb, and will probably rent our house out and head away. Initially I was keen to be a part of the rebuild and there is quite a lot of interest in my work which will probably result in either a job offer or a juicy contract, but I really can't be arsed living in a demolition zone. Most of the shit I liked about ChCh is permanently munted and I am sick of riding across pot holes and dirt - I don't even bother cleaning my bike these days, it lasts about 2 days before it looks like crap. Add to that a government that has all the vision of an earthworm and an economy that is rapidly collapsing, so at this stage I'm looking seriously at going overseas for a few years.

[Maha]

Ooooohh... You want in on the action, eh Oakie??!!

He gets all the action that he requires in his Pink Panther suit.....

[007XX]

... his Pink Panther suit.....

I thought it was from riding in his birthday suit... Oh well, as long as he's getting some! :D

As far as Chch is concerned, I admire anyone who puts up with it, or has no other choice and therefor copes the best they can.
I really cannot imagine what it would be like.

[neels]

or has no other choice and therefor copes the best they can.
That pretty much sums it up for a lot of people

When you have a broken and therefore unsellable house and a mortgage to go with it, not a lot of options other than hurry up and wait for Gerry and his fellow pigs to get their snouts out of the trough and actually do something.

[shrub]

That pretty much sums it up for a lot of people

When you have a broken and therefore unsellable house and a mortgage to go with it, not a lot of options other than hurry up and wait for Gerry and his fellow pigs to get their snouts out of the trough and actually do something.

I feel for you poor buggers in the orange zone. We are right on the edge of the red zone, but our whole area (West Haven) is pretty well unscathed. It was a lucky stroke though, we bought the house May last year and we were looking in Dallington, Avonside, Avondale area, and 3 of the 4 houses we put offers in on are red zone, one is leaning at a weird angle but still has lights on at night.

But at least in the red zone you know where you stand, you're kind of buggered until Gerry and the boys decide to tell you what they've decided to do.

[oneofsix]

That pretty much sums it up for a lot of people

When you have a broken and therefore unsellable house and a mortgage to go with it, not a lot of options other than hurry up and wait for Gerry and his fellow pigs to get their snouts out of the trough and actually do something.

I can see a re-purposing of the phrase '(J)Gerry built' coming out of this.

[ellipsis]

...i just see a shortage of balls, common decency and pies when it comes to that piece of shit, brownlee...

[imdying]

That pretty much sums it up for a lot of people

When you have a broken and therefore unsellable house and a mortgage to go with it, not a lot of options other than hurry up and wait for Gerry and his fellow pigs to get their snouts out of the trough and actually do something.Lovely place to be waiting though :sunny:

[neels]

Lovely place to be waiting though :sunny:True, and better than the people round the corner who's houses are less damaged than ours and have been red zoned.

[Grumph]

I've got a mate with an undamaged house right in the middle of the worst bit of Bexley - it's red zone of course. we've been talking about the possibility of tendering for it and moving it to better land but section prices are going unreal....
He's going to have to get a bloody big payout to make moving it viable.

[Oakie]

He gets all the action that he requires in his Pink Panther suit.....

Oh yes, I'm a real chick magnet in that...

[Oakie]

...i just see a shortage of balls, common decency and pies when it comes to that piece of shit, brownlee...

Let's just remember he's in the same boat as us with his house down here. At least we have someone with a vested interest representing the city at government level.

[Grumph]

Let's just remember he's in the same boat as us with his house down here. At least we have someone with a vested interest representing the city at government level.

Get real...Merivale where his house is had squads of builders on site within a week or so of the Sept quake...you don't get service like that without $$$$.
He's not in the same boat...not even the same sea...he's a wellington dweller who's trying to look like he's suffering too. Only comes down here now for the photo ops..

[jim.cox]

He's not in the same boat...not even the same sea...he's a wellington dweller who's trying to look like he's suffering too. Only comes down here now for the photo ops..

Of all the trough wallowers, only that Dalzeill woman seems to have her constituents interests at heart and to be trying to help them out....

[Oakie]

Of all the trough wallowers, only that Dalzeill woman seems to have her constituents interests at heart and to be trying to help them out....

Yeah, she's not from the party that I support but she does seem to be pretty genuine.

[fuknKIWI]

Spoke to Mum this morning,hope you she had a happy 89th, despite the insulting head fucking offer from the insurance co.
Tell me please people what worse white zone or orange zone?
I already hate Oz insurance co's from personal experience now I'm getting vicariously fucked over by the Kiwi insurance maggots:violin:

[ellipsis]

....for all their initial, 'we will be there for you', flannel, in the first incident , in sept, and the fat fuck, a failed woodwork teacher, pielee, sorry brownlee jumped up and become an 'important figure', we have had it go from bad to worse, natural disaster shit and associated grief etc, and the biggest city in the south island has fucked off into history, the people in the east of the city have been left in the shit, literally, some of it is irretrievable...thousands of lives fucked...many older people who have only ever workled their arses off and contributed , big time , to what lifestyle we have been afforded are now out in the cold..and nobody in the places that they were voted into, has the balls/grit, to stand up and own their resposibilities...they would rather hold hands as one failed entity and hope like fuck that the voter will be cajoled into their hopelessness...NOV 26...

[Grumph]

Don't hold back Neil....yep, if only we in Canty could get the sense of frustration and general sense of fucked off with this lot of pricks in govt across to the rest of the country something might change.
However...it's being filtered through the media, who see providing accurate coverage of ChCh as unneccessary repetition of bad news. Like him or not Campbell has been the only TV guy to try and show it like it is.
Leanne Dalziel has come out of this so far really well. I understand she's still living in her munted house in Bexley and is actually engaging with the residents in her electorate - her gumboots are actually being used, Brownlee's are only for posing.
Pity that after things shake down the electorate boundaries will inevitably change to reflect the moved population...hope she still has an electorate.

Oh. and in a lot of ways being in the white zone is worse, particularly if there's visible land damage as you will still be waiting for that to be assessed. IMO quite a bit of what's white now will become red eventually - but the uncertainty is the standard default condition now....

[dangerous]

lol... gezz you old chaps crank up well aye, awesome...
While the main atension allways lands on the east I have to say Im still being amazed by damage elswere as I proceed to new streets/areas (all south west) Was up Bowenvale yesterday, bearly a house left intact not heard any comlaints from them. As they live on rock the quake simply shock their houses to pieces, still many with no water no sewage.
I tell ya I dont think anyone has an idea of how large a scale this is.

[Oakie]

....for all their initial, 'we will be there for you', flannel, in the first incident , in sept, and the fat fuck, a failed woodwork teacher, pielee, sorry brownlee jumped up and become an 'important figure', we have had it go from bad to worse, natural disaster shit and associated grief etc, and the biggest city in the south island has fucked off into history, the people in the east of the city have been left in the shit, literally, some of it is irretrievable...thousands of lives fucked...many older people who have only ever workled their arses off and contributed , big time , to what lifestyle we have been afforded are now out in the cold..and nobody in the places that they were voted into, has the balls/grit, to stand up and own their resposibilities...they would rather hold hands as one failed entity and hope like fuck that the voter will be cajoled into their hopelessness...NOV 26...

They are politicians, not miracle workers. This is way more than a snap the fingers or pass some legislation fix. I know ... easy for me to say that in my un-munted (although damaged) house with all utilities working. Infact just got a note in the mail yesterday to say that we can now start using our flush toilet again. Yipee!

[Grumph]

As politicians then, some very bad decisions were made looking back now.
It's pretty obviously too big for one company to be the nominated repair manager for a start...but given the behind the scenes activity of the Nats it was inevitable that any competition or choice would be stamped out.
The initial concentration on the CBD was IMO a mistake too - there's too many people suffering in their homes right now which should have been attended to as a priority...fence off the CBD and leave it till homes are weathertight.
There's actually been stress induced loss of life as a result of concentrating on the CBD instead of homes....

talking to another older friend today his comment was that he just can't see how this government can have sucked so many people in...promise us everything, deliver very little...we'll be there for the Pike River families....we'll be there for ChCh...
Yeah, right...the whole country is like a bloody big Tui ad...

[Winston001]

So a couple of weeks ago I went and had a look at the reality of Christchurch. Shrub kindly showed me around the eastern red zone and I walked the perimeter of the central city.

It was eerie. In the suburbs the streets were dusty and lumpy with a rundown look and small heaps of liquifaction soil here and there. Many houses appeared fine at first glance until Shrub pointed out the holes in roofs, broken windows, and gentle leans. Some houses had split between front and back.

It was sad.

The inner city is a mess being whole blocks of older buildings with collapsed frontages. The Catholic Cathedral left me silent because its huge and looms like something out of the London Blitz. Such a shame.

As for the Grand Chancellor - struth, what a sight. That building has always looked like the largest in Christchurch and can be seen from anywhere. Its just too big to do anything but stand solidly in the centre. And yet...it leans.

My thanks to Shrub, it really helped to have a local on the spot. I came away understanding far better what you have to cope with and why people feel so disorientated. There simply is no fast way to put this right.

[dangerous]

So... ya seen it all on TV right, how did it differ in the flesh?
I ask so as it might make more sence to others around NZ that TV does not bring it home.

[Oakie]

It is more real seeing it in the flesh somehow. I guess disaster stuff you see on TV is usually overseas so seeing it on TV there is a certain disconnection but when you are in the same place as the damage ... it is just more real.

[fuknKIWI]

My turn in Shakytown next month for a few weeks...
Hmm just booked, paid for & printed my inbound ticket.

[ellipsis]

My turn in Shakytown next month for a few weeks...
Hmm just booked, paid for & printed my inbound ticket.

...bring rum...

[dangerous]

...bring rum... haha good one we aint sailers N...

He ment 'bring whisky' single malt highland... ohhh 15yr will be fine. :woohoo:

[ellipsis]

...we all may have to be sailors , just to get out east, if it sinks any more...

[Winston001]

So... ya seen it all on TV right, how did it differ in the flesh?
I ask so as it might make more sence to others around NZ that TV does not bring it home.

Well yes, seeing the destruction on TV looks dramatic but they do a poor job of showing the perspective. Television concentrates on single items and repeats the worst time and time again. Cameras rarely pan around and show the whole street.

For me the widespead scale of collapse made the greatest impact. Whole streets of 19th century and early 20th century buildings have crumbled façades, roofs fallen in, interspersed with sound buildings which will have to come down too.

I was surprised at the efficiency of the cleanup. There are empty holes all over the place where buildings and houses once stood.

On the positive side many buildings appear to be fine and most houses survived so I am confident Christchurch will surge ahead.

Stiil, overall it is just an eerie place to be. Our second largest city.

[shrub]

It is more real seeing it in the flesh somehow. I guess disaster stuff you see on TV is usually overseas so seeing it on TV there is a certain disconnection but when you are in the same place as the damage ... it is just more real.

I'm at the stage where I can't imagine anything else. It seems like all roads have massive great holes in them, buildings collapsed in rubble are no more unusual than powerpoles and broken houses and empty sections all over the place are just the way it is.

Was Christchurch always like that? I seem to remember things being different and this city being a normal place, but that's all they are, memories. Like this morning's quake - was there a time when we didn't have aftershocks all the time?

Was there a life before quakes?

[Grumph]

It seems to be a side effect that you live in the moment much more than pre quake.
there's probably a name for the syndrome. And yes, booze helps.

What is slightly worrying is that the most studied earthquake prior to ours was Newcastle in Oz...and the stress levels peaked THREE YEARS afterward.

I's say the level of destruction in ChCh is comparable to London post blitz - people I knew who were there in the 40's and into the late 50's had stories of playing on bomb sites and coming back a couple of years later and they'd be built on again.
It took, what, 20 plus years to sort out London ? I'd bet it takes longer here.

[dangerous]

I'm at the stage where I can't imagine anything else. It seems like all roads have massive great holes in them, buildings collapsed in rubble are no more unusual than powerpoles and broken houses and empty sections all over the place are just the way it is.

Was Christchurch always like that? I seem to remember things being different and this city being a normal place, but that's all they are, memories. Like this morning's quake - was there a time when we didn't have aftershocks all the time?

Was there a life before quakes?
Ohhhh, come on man... take a hoon over the east west north areas, nout much has changed aye, get out and refresh the noodle... east and town is only a part of Chch... come over always a beer in the fridge... and a malt on the wall.

[Oakie]

It took, what, 20 plus years to sort out London ? I'd bet it takes longer here.

One of our heritage defenders on the TV this morning said there are still war damaged heritage buildings in London that were mothballed back then on which restoration work has not yet begun. Yeah! That's what I want for my city (not). She was making the point that once mothballed there is no hurry to fix them. I don't think the image of several old mothballed buildings awaiting repair is one that will do her argument any good with the undecided.

[neels]

The locals are getting restless......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIhAL6f38UY

[FJRider]

The locals are getting restless......


Soooo ... "I didn't know" ... is a valid LEGAL explanation of why ... "it's not my fault" ... ???? :blink:

[dangerous]

The locals are getting restless......ohh come on it aint all over for brooklands.

[fuknKIWI]

...bring rum...

Appleton's

[shrub]

One of our heritage defenders on the TV this morning said there are still war damaged heritage buildings in London that were mothballed back then on which restoration work has not yet begun. Yeah! That's what I want for my city (not). She was making the point that once mothballed there is no hurry to fix them. I don't think the image of several old mothballed buildings awaiting repair is one that will do her argument any good with the undecided.

Me, I loved the old buildings and shit, but FFS, they're not Stone Henge. As long as we have a few that we can point at and say "that's a church" or "that's an old shop" I'm happy.

[neels]

Soooo ... "I didn't know" ... is a valid LEGAL explanation of why ... "it's not my fault" ... ???? :blink:
You what now? Speak english or die.


ohh come on it aint all over for brooklands.
Not for a while yet, the sewer still works so we'll be here for as least as long as that lasts

Appleton's
I don't normally drink rum, but a couple of those at a mate's place and yum yum.

[Oakie]

Me, I loved the old buildings and shit, but FFS, they're not Stone Henge. As long as we have a few that we can point at and say "that's a church" or "that's an old shop" I'm happy.

Agreed. If they were unique in some way, great, but don't save them just because they are old. Being old in itself is not a value. Did that make sense? I'm at the end of my 4th double gin for the night. As for rum? Mount Gay for me. (That's a rum by the way, not an activity!)

[ellipsis]

...appletons sounds just the jizz...yo ho ho... fuck earthquakes...

[dangerous]

the sewer still works so we'll be here for as least as long as that lasts I thought it was called the "lagon"




Appleton'sI hate Rum with avengance... HOWEVER, I was introduced to a 12yr old Appleton's and I have to admit, it was nice very nice, you cant compair it to the average rum at all.

[scumdog]

I hate Rum with avengance... HOWEVER, I was introduced to a 12yr old Appleton's and I have to admit, it was nice very nice, you cant compair it to the average rum at all.

Try Bundeberg OP.

It's the only rum I'll drink

Never tried Appletons yet though..

[Rashika]

Try Bundeberg OP.

It's the only rum I'll drink

Never tried Appletons yet though..
ya missing a good thing... i have some in the cupboard here, what a shame you didn't stop in yesterday :bleh:

[Rashika]

yes it is in the cupboard... and it is very nice


but the prenzels oak aged black boy peach liquer is going down even BETTER!

[ellipsis]

...wot erfquakes...

[Grumph]

...wot erfquakes...

Ideally this thread should have died here...however

Builders returned yesterday after seven weeks...in which time we lived with a ferkin big hole in the middle of the house. They and Fletchers simply lied to us, saying the holdup with the building consent was at the SDC end. Bullshit - the SDC received the application last week and processed it on time, granting it on Monday.
SDC building inspector here today looking at the work started illegally pre consent...put the wind up the builders with a story..
SDC went to inspect what was i think a logburner install - noticed the house was being re gibbed. Ordered the work stopped as there was NO bracing whatsoever visible...Fletchers subbie says "just doing what I was told to do" Fletchers say "all our subbies are LBP's and should know when a consent is required" leaving the subbie hung out to swing...The gib was pulled off,a consent done and the work done properly...as far as I know at the subbies expense...
Even the building inspector is expecting the media to catch on soon to the shit going on through Fletchers.
He gave us encouragement to keep on harassing Fletchers and EQR to get them to open up areas of the structure we know are damaged but they are ignoring.
We're not alone fighting these bastards.
We advise anyone who hasn't had work started to opt out of the Fletchers managed scheme...more hassle but it's worth it to have it done right.

Pass the rum along here please.

[dangerous]

yip, no the situation well.
On another note, I walked Colombo south of the square, fuck unless ya see it for ya self you have no idea... shits comming down left right n cemter, whats standing have sides or holes in them like the bus exchange, from the building I was in on Tuam looking north nothing till the car park in the way on litchfield and its been started on, man its going to be so eary in a years time.

[onearmedbandit]

yip, no the situation well.
On another note, I walked Colombo south of the square, fuck unless ya see it for ya self you have no idea... shits comming down left right n cemter, whats standing have sides or holes in them like the bus exchange, from the building I was in on Tuam looking north nothing till the car park in the way on litchfield and its been started on, man its going to be so eary in a years time.

Unfortunately most Christchurch residents won't get to see what you have seen.

[dangerous]

Unfortunately most Christchurch residents won't get to see what you have seen.
No... they wont, shit man it hasent sunk in aye... I grew up here been in chch 'most' of my life. Over those 43 yrs I have seen town change in so many ways, but behind al the facards and shop frounts there has allways been the same buildings going back generations... walking colombo today those buildings that remain stood quite and sad, I didnt see the CBD as I knew it but as my parents seen it and there parents... those buildings stood prowd awaiting their fate.

[T.W.R]

Try Bundeberg OP.

It's the only rum I'll drink

Never tried Appletons yet though..

pffft!

Try Myer's Rum (Planter's Punch) it'll make Bundy seem like lolly water :yes:

[imdying]

I flew over the city last Monday... it's like a big crossword puzzle, with buildings as the black squares, and gaping holes as the white ones :blink:

[imdying]

No... they wont, shit man it hasent sunk in aye... I grew up here been in chch 'most' of my life. Over those 43 yrs I have seen town change in so many ways, but behind al the facards and shop frounts there has allways been the same buildings going back generations... walking colombo today those buildings that remain stood quite and sad, I didnt see the CBD as I knew it but as my parents seen it and there parents... those buildings stood prowd awaiting their fate.Another way to look at it is that the heritage people were out of control, fuelled by that dilly bitch Anna Crichton... what we have left will be of much greater value now, rather than 'just another bloody heritage building'. We did lose some cool ones though.

[far queue]

... We did lose some cool ones though.Yes, and meanwhile the bloody ugly 1960's Govt Life building in the square is still standing!

[Grumph]

Yes, and meanwhile the bloody ugly 1960's Govt Life building in the square is still standing!

A splendid example of "cost plus" contract building....no skimping there.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Another way to look at it is that the heritage people were out of control, fuelled by that dilly bitch Anna Crichton... what we have left will be of much greater value now, rather than 'just another bloody heritage building'. We did lose some cool ones though.

dont get me started on the hysteric places trust. wankers.

[Oakie]

Yes, and meanwhile the bloody ugly 1960's Govt Life building in the square is still standing!

And so is that bloody half fallen down tagged-up eyesore opposite Hagley Park ... something to do with the old saleyards? Couldn't believe that was still standing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

And so is that bloody half fallen down tagged-up eyesore opposite Hagley Park ... something to do with the old saleyards? Couldn't believe that was still standing.

I've seen concept development plans for it (years ago) for residential. Not sure if that will happen (or indeed what is happening, bar a large amount of heavy machinery putting in the new poo pipe.

Wouldnt it be a good location for a bunch of midrise offices for displaced CBD punters though?

By the way, BDO House in Victoria Street is definitely going to be demolished. Presumably so will the Lumley Building that backs on to it.

Fidelity house over the road is gone daddy gone.

P Brands further up and the Murray building also coming down I'm told.

Riverlands house is half down. Then the Copthorne and Crown Plaza.

thats in, what, a 200 yard long stretch of Victoria Street? Fark.

[Oakie]

Another way to look at it is that the heritage people were out of control, fuelled by that dilly bitch Anna Crichton... what we have left will be of much greater value now, rather than 'just another bloody heritage building'. We did lose some cool ones though.

I heard a guy who owns an old homestead of some sort saying it was rooted but instead of bulldozing it he would fix it. "It will cost four times as much and take four times as long but I'll fix it." Case proven for me right there. If the heritage people were footing the bill then fine but while it's other people (and struggling insurance companies) paying the bill then they should not push their views too hard.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I heard a guy who owns an old homestead of some sort saying it was rooted but instead of bulldozing it he would fix it. "It will cost four times as much and take four times as long but I'll fix it." Case proven for me right there. If the heritage people were footing the bill then fine but while it's other people (and struggling insurance companies) paying the bill then they should not push their views too hard.

I am aware of a story relating to a person who owns a cat 1 listed hysteric building.

it simply was incapable of surviving EQ's and it had three big knocks. "No no", the HPT people said "it must be repaired".

but its not their (HPT) money. they dont have any money. And sure, given enough time, and money, you could rebuild it exactly as was. Sure you can. But after you're done (and remember this is the insurance company paying, not these fuckwits) you will not be able to insure it. and if you can't insure it you can't borrow money on it.

So to meet code, you end up with something perhaps with the same footprint and outlines, but made in tilt slab or with modern materials and maybe brick facing. And what the hell is the point of that? its not a modern building, and its not an old building. its just an ugly piece of shit.

they were still arguing after the red sticker went on in Feb, after the punters had to steal their own shit out of it, and almost after June 13. They were stuffed then: one of the walls fell in. This particular site is now a hole in the ground.

the thing that gripes me about this HPT is that they dont have any money, nor any concept of commercial reality. Absolutely useless.

[oldrider]

I am aware of a story relating to a person who owns a cat 1 listed hysteric building.

it simply was incapable of surviving EQ's and it had three big knocks. "No no", the HPT people said "it must be repaired".

but its not their (HPT) money. they dont have any money. And sure, given enough time, and money, you could rebuild it exactly as was. Sure you can. But after you're done (and remember this is the insurance company paying, not these fuckwits) you will not be able to insure it. and if you can't insure it you can't borrow money on it.

So to meet code, you end up with something perhaps with the same footprint and outlines, but made in tilt slab or with modern materials and maybe brick facing. And what the hell is the point of that? its not a modern building, and its not an old building. its just an ugly piece of shit.

they were still arguing after the red sticker went on in Feb, after the punters had to steal their own shit out of it, and almost after June 13. They were stuffed then: one of the walls fell in. This particular site is now a hole in the ground.

the thing that gripes me about this HPT is that they dont have any money, nor any concept of commercial reality. Absolutely useless.

So with no financial interest, responsibility, accountability or consequence in anything, why are they having a say and why does anyone have to listen to them?

They are nothing more or less than an enormous confidence trick .... how have they achieved this? :confused:

[Oakie]

So with no financial interest, responsibility, accountability or consequence in anything, why are they having a say and why does anyone have to listen to them?

They are nothing more or less than an enormous confidence trick .... how have they achieved this? :confused:

They are saying heaps but I don't think the guys with the bulldozers are listening too much.

[Brian d marge]

not to do a my ones bigger than your one , more to say we tend to forget how devastating these things can be
reminded of this by a tweet from old spalders of motogp fame ...
we forget, well I did at least ..until I saw this you tube video ..a coldplay song

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Stephen

[Grumph]

Well I'll jump in and take what seems to be the unpopular side of things...as usual

We've found the Historic places trust to be very useful - and a very handy weapon to beat Fletchers over the head with. And shit we needed one too.
Their consulting engineer came to have a look free of charge - nice guy - very knowledgable, most reassuring.
I'm prepared to admit that post Sept there was perhaps too much emphasis on saving the unsavable in the city but most of that has settled down since Feb...
The tourist dollar has been a major source of income for ChCh - fuelled by the city's unique in NZ "englishness" IMO if we finish up with a collection of tilt slab boxes you can wave goodbye to a lot of tourists...Some heritage must remain surely.

[T.W.R]

A bit of a digression from the buildings side of things but worth mentioning anyhow :yes:
A bit of junk reading material, the old TV guide. In the issue that's just expired (Jul30-Aug5), the last page article that interviews kiwi celebs "The last word with...." interviewed Howie Morrison Jr , Hunting Aotearoa host

The 2nd to last question asked to him was 'What other hobbies do you have?'.... his reply was he loves his fishing and that he'd just formed a Kapa Haka group, The Howard Morrison Jnr Trio. Well this what caught my eye in his answer:facepalm:

"We just performed over in Samoa and fundraised 130,000 tala, which is going back to the Christchurch appeal which is specifically set aside for Maori and Pacific island community"

FFS! :angry:

[HenryDorsetCase]

A bit of a digression from the buildings side of things but worth mentioning anyhow :yes:
A bit of junk reading material, the old TV guide. In the issue that's just expired (Jul30-Aug5), the last page article that interviews kiwi celebs "The last word with...." interviewed Howie Morrison Jr , Hunting Aotearoa host

The 2nd to last question asked to him was 'What other hobbies do you have?'.... his reply was he loves his fishing and that he'd just formed a Kapa Haka group, The Howard Morrison Jnr Trio. Well this what caught my eye in his answer:facepalm:

"We just performed over in Samoa and fundraised 130,000 tala, which is going back to the Christchurch appeal which is specifically set aside for Maori and Pacific island community"

FFS! :angry:

130000 tala = $12.50: don't sweat it.

[Oakie]

Well I'll jump in and take what seems to be the unpopular side of things...as usual

That's fine. You don't get both sides of an argument unless people do that. I respect a well put argument even if I don't agree with it.


The tourist dollar has been a major source of income for ChCh - fuelled by the city's unique in NZ "englishness" IMO if we finish up with a collection of tilt slab boxes you can wave goodbye to a lot of tourists...Some heritage must remain surely.

I've heard that a few times but I don't know how true that is in respect of the buildings themselves. In my 9 years here I've yet to see a tour group wandering around looking at the city's notable buildings. I've just googled 'Tour of Christchurch Buildings' and got no hits although I did get a few on Tours of Christchurch. They covered tours of the sights of Chch or of specific buildings like the Arts Centre but none covered a tour looking at Chch's notable buildings. I'm sure some tourists did go and see the cathedral and perhaps one or two other buildings just to see the building but I would be really surprised if many came here just to look at the buildings. I think it is the whole package of attractions that brings people here with the buildings generally just a part of the background fabric. Check out http://www.christchurch.nz.com/ to see just how Christchurch is advertised to tourists. The neo-gothic architecture rates a mention but apart from naming four admittedly notable buildings, not much more than that.

[Grumph]

The income from the tourists was real all right. I've lived in and around ChCh all my life - hint, I'm not young,,,,and in summer the trams and punts were flat out with mainly Asian origin tourists and tour groups. Living in the country for the last 10 years or so we've seen the tourist buses in our area frequently doing the "farm experience" thing...talking to the drivers this is usually just a part of the organised tour package. This usually includes at least a walk around the inner city...Cathedral and Arts Center etc...
I'd doubt if you'd see anything advertised as it's usually part of an offshore organised tour package...usually just picking up a local guide who is often an expat asian.
As a young man (back in my day, yawn...) we didn't see much in the way of organised groups but since the late 70's it's boomed. i only hope it can again.

[Kickaha]

hint, I'm not young

It's true he is fucking old, think of Santa with a bad attitude :whistle:

[Grumph]

It's true he is fucking old, think of Santa with a bad attitude :whistle:

Careful you, I'll send an elf to give you a good kicking....it was only a matter of time before you bit, wasn't it. Stick to your tricycle kid.

None of the above is to be taken seriously, especially by MNZ officialdom.....

[Shadows]

HPT? So with no financial interest, responsibility, accountability or consequence in anything, why are they having a say and why does anyone have to listen to them?

I know that if it was my problem, my Zippo would say that I didn't.

[dangerous]

Ok, so... lets look at something a bit different, AdamB's house.
2-3yrs old they owned it for nearly a year before sept 10.
Now the way I see it how the fuck can a new house fall apart like this, just shouldent happen, but alas filled land on a swamp built inadiquetly for... and well dreams are shatered.

1) house split in two
2) fishers across the lawn carry next door, NB 2 houses away the angle of the house
3) Fisher were the land tore and moved towards the river, NB the 400mm gap between the found and path, they were attached and you can see the full height of the found ie 500 deep.
4) house parting


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[dangerous]

Might add this subdevision is opposite Kate Shepard village over Anzac Drive, not a cheap area to buy.
1) note the depth of the fisher
2) ceiling simply fell in when the floor spread
3) same as above really
4) the crack seen in other photos is under the wall on the right, hence the left wall headed east at a faster rate than the right.
5) the floor split and parted by 300mm, the brown tiles were joined, the greay is liqufaction.
6) kinda obvious sam as #4 but from the outside.

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IMO shit like this should not have happened, but gready land devlopers push the council to build, get their money and head for the hills...

[Oakie]

Yeah, I wondered how that sub-division got on. Thought they may have been not so bad being a bit higher than Kate Sheppard but I guess not.

[neels]

Well, Kaiapoi just got a lot smaller....

http://cera.govt.nz/land-information/kaiapoi

Given that it's almost a blanket red zoning of what was orange zoned, I wonder what that means for other orange zoned properties, the too hard basket looks like it's slowly getting more full......

[HenryDorsetCase]

I have been going to the Canterbury University public lectures on the EQ. Last nights was fantastic. Stefano Pampano (sp?) is a lecturer in structural engineering at canterbury, looking at building failure. The lectures have been

Geological : what happened, where

Liquefaction: what the hell is it?

Port Hills: Oh dear.

Buildings : concrete and steel (last night)

Buildings: timber

Psychology 101: how do we all feel?

They are free, they are non-technical, they are informative as hell, and they put them up on the interwebs. It really will reward your attention.

http://www.communityed.canterbury.ac.nz/public_lectures.php


Oh yeah, I get to go into the condemned BDO building tomorrow to try and get more of our shit out. Fuck I am looking forward to that. Not.

[imdying]

Oh yeah, I get to go into the condemned BDO building tomorrow to try and get more of our shit out. Fuck I am looking forward to that. Not.Strap a HD handy cam to your head for us!

If you really really don't wanna do it, I'd be keen :laugh:<_<

[fuknKIWI]

I've recently been in NZ.
There's some evidence of earthquake damage to rock & cliff faces plus my cousin's 99y/o house that may not make it to 100 y/o

http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii16/Trickypiccies/Shakytown%202011

[MIXONE]

I've recently been in NZ.
There's some evidence of earthquake damage to rock & cliff faces plus my cousin's 99y/o house that may not make it to 100 y/o

http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii16/Trickypiccies/Shakytown%202011

There is a plaque on top of the rock at Sumner dedicated to my great,great,great grandfather,Joseph Day,who was the first harbour master.Guess that will fall down too.:bye:

[dangerous]

I've recently been in NZ.
There's some evidence of earthquake damage to rock & cliff faces plus my cousin's 99y/o house that may not make it to 100 y/o

http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii16/Trickypiccies/Shakytown%202011

mate, ya shoulda remined us you were here, I see ya cought up with Neil in LR and Ornsby senior and JR, bloody old boy would give me a decent run for my money on that Triumph with me on the 350LC, speaking of old boys thats not you pictured in the old house is it? and awesome spot were is it? trying to get out there our selves.

[fuknKIWI]

DD that's not me in the photo that's my cousie, in his old house.
I was fully flat out doing shit for the whole time, got some weekend time off to catch up with a few people both weekends.
Attendance was a bit low at Ruapuna on account of the cooler temps...

[ellipsis]

...but the Appletons was a great way to spend a few hours...was bloody quiet seismic wise while you were here...just seemed to wake up today and remind us that there is a big bang or two left in her yet..

[dangerous]

...but the Appletons was a great way to spend a few hours...was bloody quiet seismic wise while you were here...just seemed to wake up today and remind us that there is a big bang or two left in her yet..yip...


NZST: Sat, Aug 20 2011 7:31 pm
Magnitude: 4.0 Depth: 10 km
Details: Within 5 km of Christchurch

NZST: Sat, Aug 20 2011 5:00 pm
Magnitude: 2.6
Depth: 3 km
Details: 10 km south-west of Christchurch

NZST: Sat, Aug 20 2011 2:45 pm
Magnitude: 3.2 Depth: 40 km
Details: 10 km north-west of Wellington

NZST: Sat, Aug 20 2011 8:04 am
Magnitude: 3.4
Depth: 7 km
Details: 10 km south-west of Christchurch


NZST: Sat, Aug 20 2011 5:14 am
Magnitude: 4.2 Depth: 8 km
Details: 10 km south-east of Christchurch


Hey N, did ya see us just out a Tai Tapu this arvo?

[ellipsis]

...thought it was you...

[dangerous]

...thought it was you...
I it was, spend a lot of time on that road between us aye :laugh:

[cromagnon]

I have been going to the Canterbury University public lectures on the EQ. Last nights was fantastic. Stefano Pampano (sp?) is a lecturer in structural engineering at canterbury, looking at building failure. The lectures have been

Geological : what happened, where

Liquefaction: what the hell is it?

Port Hills: Oh dear.

Buildings : concrete and steel (last night)

Buildings: timber

Psychology 101: how do we all feel?

They are free, they are non-technical, they are informative as hell, and they put them up on the interwebs. It really will reward your attention.

http://www.communityed.canterbury.ac.nz/public_lectures.php


Oh yeah, I get to go into the condemned BDO building tomorrow to try and get more of our shit out. Fuck I am looking forward to that. Not.

The first of these lectures has been posted on youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7vliyIy4Pk&feature=youtu.be

[fuknKIWI]

I just finished reading The Press book about the earthquake, a good & moving read.
Now to watch the DVD.

[oldrider]

Funny old world isn't it, my daughter tells me there was another good shake in Christchurch today at about 2pm.

Not a murmur in the news or anything ... if ain't 6+ it ain't news these days! :mellow:

[dangerous]

Funny old world isn't it, my daughter tells me there was another good shake in Christchurch today at about 2pm.

Not a murmur in the news or anything ... if ain't 6+ it ain't news these days! :mellow:four of em yesterday from 3.1 to 4.7 compleatly shat myself with one of them as I was cutting out a large beam holding up a roof thinking wouldnt want a quake right now and I hope when the saw gets through the farking roof stays there... then BANG rattle rattle

[Oakie]

... if ain't 6+ it ain't news these days! :mellow:

One of my old girfriends told me something similar once...

[fuknKIWI]

:eek5:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5554056/Street-level-red-zone-video-tours

[dangerous]

A lot of empty space in there now aye, and there is going to be a shit load more... A building I was working in we were re lining and getting ready for the owner to re lease again, his engineer said the building is in good shape... as we finish CERA rock up and order us out as they decided its comming down! a very very expensive tidy up for the owner, hope he pays us.

[neels]

So does anybody else think this could end badly?

Sections under the airport flight path (http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=137545&fm=psp,tst)

I'm sure people are keen to get a bit of land at the moment and don't care where it is, but it's not too much of a stretch to see that in a few years people will start bitching about aircraft noise, particularly if they can see a rise in their property values at the end of it.....

[jim.cox]

A lot of empty space in there now aye, and there is going to be a shit load more....

I got sent this pic of the CBD today - as Dangerous says, there is a lot of gaps...

[Grumph]

So does anybody else think this could end badly?

Sections under the airport flight path (http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=137545&fm=psp,tst)

I'm sure people are keen to get a bit of land at the moment and don't care where it is, but it's not too much of a stretch to see that in a few years people will start bitching about aircraft noise, particularly if they can see a rise in their property values at the end of it.....

Too right...Rolleston is at the other end of the SW/NE flightline and there's been rumblings there already.
Ruapuna is where it is because of the easier noise restrictions under the flight path but even so there were a shitload of complaints before the Car Club bought up a heap of close properties.

[Oakie]

So does anybody else think this could end badly?
..

Can see a few years down the track people might grizzle but surely anyone going in there would be going in with eyes (ears) open and it would be specified in sale documents so they wouldn't really have room to complain. Don't want it ... ?, don't buy there. Simple as that.

[FJRider]

Can see a few years down the track people might grizzle but surely anyone going in there would be going in with eyes (ears) open and it would be specified in sale documents so they wouldn't really have room to complain. Don't want it ... ?, don't buy there. Simple as that.


Just look at the noise restrictions introduced at Western Springs in Auckland ...

If anybody thinks the same can't happen in Christchurch ... they're dreaming ...

[Grumph]

Any noise restrictions arising out of the sale of Kaiapoi sections are going to be on the airport.....the track is safe for the forseeable future.

Off the topic of quakes but I represented a club at a meeting between track users - incl speedway - and the locals incl the ChCH city Council.
The outcome of that has been an initiative by the Canty Car Club to buy up surrounding properties and specifically those belonging to the most vocal of the complainers.
Once the council reps realised just how much business the track generates they became very co-operative.....

[ellipsis]

...oi, you lot...keep it down...4.8 Port Levy..

[Kickaha]

Just look at the noise restrictions introduced at Western Springs in Auckland ...
...

My understanding of that was the noise restrictions were always in place they just weren't adhered to?

The residents just wanted what was always in place actually enforced

[HenryDorsetCase]

My understanding of that was the noise restrictions were always in place they just weren't adhered to?

The residents just wanted what was always in place actually enforced

I'm doing my bit, bought some repack stuff for the muffler of the worlds loudest VFR400 today

[Grumph]

...oi, you lot...keep it down...4.8 Port Levy..

Canterbury's moving around the fixed lump of the Peninsula - you've got to expect some noise in the neighbourhood....
Bet it echoed round the bay though....is Wally Brown's island halfway out the bay still there ? Don't remember the real name but he built the house on the small rock.
Would not like to be on there at present as I see there's been more this evening.

[Winston001]

Just look at the noise restrictions introduced at Western Springs in Auckland ...

If anybody thinks the same can't happen in Christchurch ... they're dreaming ...

Agreed. People will accept it for maybe 15 years but then the complaints will start: "There's a lot more planes than when we first moved here" "We were told new planes would get quieter but they haven't" "The airport doesn't care about us and deliberately sends planes over our house" etc etc.

Stupidity.

Its always amused me that the best suburbs in Christchurch (Fendalton and Ilam) are directly in the flight path. They are noisy places despite the leafy streets.

[FJRider]

Agreed. People will accept it for maybe 15 years but then the complaints will start: "There's a lot more planes than when we first moved here" "We were told new planes would get quieter but they haven't" "The airport doesn't care about us and deliberately sends planes over our house" etc etc.

Stupidity.

I was living in Queenstown when JET aircraft started on commercial flights ... the uproar began ...

ONE woman (Kelvin Heights) rang the Airport manager and DEMANDED they do not land or take off between 12 and 1 o'clock ... as SHE likes/wanted to have her lunch in peace ...

[KiwiPhoenix]

As someone who lives a 5min drive from the airport, I can tell you, you do get used to the noise. We don't actually hear them as much now. Just now and again you get the bigger planes taking off that you hear.

[neels]

As someone who lives a 5min drive from the airport, I can tell you, you do get used to the noise. We don't actually hear them as much now. Just now and again you get the bigger planes taking off that you hear.
Try moving 2km west and you might have a different opinion, right under the extended centreline is a different game altogether.

[dangerous]

As someone who lives a 5min drive from the airport, I can tell you, you do get used to the noise. We don't actually hear them as much now. Just now and again you get the bigger planes taking off that you hear.

Odd thing is right Next to the air port isent as noisie as a bit further out... Sound travels up drifts then decends.

[neels]

Odd thing is right Next to the air port isent as noisie as a bit further out... Sound travels up drifts then decends.
So how much stuff fell down in your garage in that little shake??

[Shadows]

That was a biggie alright. 15 - 16 - 17,000 people on Quake Live and counting.

[Shadows]

5.5 near Godley Head

[EJK]

That was interesting indeed.

[dangerous]

So how much stuff fell down in your garage in that little shake??

Well, just finished re shufling slash stacking (the cat can fit in there now) However its just as dodgly stacked so to answer ya question, i did check and alls good, but i dont think ill move the bikes in just yet.

Being in a new different house area i dident know how that compaired to other quakes, dident fell quite a 5.5 but went for a while.

[scumdog]

My understanding of that was the noise restrictions were always in place they just weren't adhered to?

The residents just wanted what was always in place actually enforced

In the early days there weren't bugger all residents and even less restrictions.

But then the NIMBYs moved in and you know the rest...

Same thing happened at Levels, hell, some of the whingers lived about 3km+ away.

[Grumph]

Way off topic for quakes...but Levels is a whole different saga.

Basically the Car club tried to handle the problem on their own - and lacked the wherewithal to complete major planting projects and other noise limiting projects.
if they'd screamed for help early on and got the other (wealthier) SI clubs involved we wouldn't have the restrictions that we work under now.
It was only when the local Business associations started to realise how much income was going to be lost that the local council was pressured and the track stayed open...closure was a real possibility at one point.

At least the main complainer has moved on. Again it really needs a policy of buying up adjacent properties as they come up - but again money's lacking.
Ruapuna and Teretonga are now surrounded either by properties to whom noise is irrelevant or ones the clubs own.

[Grumph]

Well,well....a familiar face on the TV news. Shane Evans, bucket racer, pre 82 racer.general nice guy....and the 100,000th EQC home assessment.
Came across well too. Sadly they must have edited out all reference to bikes....

[ellipsis]

....well we are certainly seeing very visible signs out our way of ground slump or rise...the highway from way down the lake to the other end of the town is 600mm deep in fast flowing water...just watched a wheelie bin and about half a chord of firewood rip past at prob 20 k an hour followed by a set of tyres and rims sucked into the maelstrom from our local garage which will have a foot or more of water through it....no wed night ride out our way for you lot who do that run...onto my last pair of dry socks and just about worn out a spade diverting the rivers away from my shed and house...poor bastards who have been fucked around by cera, fat cunt brownlee and insurance scum will be thinking there are things as bad as eq's about now...

[Grumph]

So much for cleaning up Lake Forsythe then....

When I heard on the news about a group holed up in the Little River Hall I thought "hope Neil's taken the rum with him" but I assume now they'd be tourists ?

Yeah, we've had quakes and now floods....when is the plague of locusts scheduled ?
- and no, I don't mean politicians...

[Oakie]

Yeah, we've had quakes and now floods....when is the plague of locusts scheduled ? - and no, I don't mean politicians...

It comes after the plague of boils and the plague of thunder and hail apparantly but don't worry because that's only for Egypt. I dunno what sort of plagues we would get in NZ. Plague of mothers-in-law perhaps?

[ellipsis]

...a plague of motards, perhaps...

[Oakie]

Plague of Chinese scooters?

[neels]

Finally another land zoning announcement :woohoo:

And we're still orange zoned :angry:

They've only had since september last year to make a decision :facepalm:

Wankers.

[Rashika]

friggen typical.... sorry Neil, I do wish they would hurry up and make a decision for you guys in Brooklands

[HenryDorsetCase]

So much for cleaning up Lake Forsythe then....

When I heard on the news about a group holed up in the Little River Hall I thought "hope Neil's taken the rum with him" but I assume now they'd be tourists ?

Yeah, we've had quakes and now floods....when is the plague of locusts scheduled ?
- and no, I don't mean politicians...

oh you don't mean pollies? cos the election (aka "plague of locusts") is Nov 26th

[far queue]

Finally another land zoning announcement :woohoo:

And we're still orange zoned :angry:

They've only had since september last year to make a decision :facepalm:

Wankers.

Having been orange you have my sympathies, it's crap not knowing. You guys out there have it bad since day 1 along with Kaiapoi and they've got their answers, I would have thought you'd be a priority before now.

For myself, today was a good day, I went from orange to green and in time will get a new house, garage, and everything else on the section replaced.

[neels]

friggen typical.... sorry Neil, I do wish they would hurry up and make a decision for you guys in BrooklandsI wonder what their excuse is this time, last time round it was because it had snowed :blink:


Having been orange you have my sympathies, it's crap not knowing. You guys out there have it bad since day 1 along with Kaiapoi and they've got their answers, I would have thought you'd be a priority before now.

For myself, today was a good day, I went from orange to green and in time will get a new house, garage, and everything else on the section replaced.Good stuff, parklands must be coming up in the world, you've got your answer along with the people that matter in fendalton and merivale.

What's frustrating is that I don't really need anything done in a hurry, life is ticking along ok at the moment, I'd just like to know where it's headed from here.

Edit: I just recieved by email a lovely newsletter from EQC, I thought this was an appropriate reply (I even left out the profanities I was sorely tempted to include)

Hi,

Thank you for your informative newsletter, however might I suggest you spend your time and money funding people who can make a decision on the future of those in the orange zone who have been waiting for over a year.

Regards,

A dissatisfied customer

[Rashika]

sounds friggen perfect to me Neels! :yes:

[Oakie]

Yep. We're in Parklands and have gone from orange to green. Can finally look at fixing stuff and know we won't be wasting time and money. Best wishes to those still in orange (including out daughter in Avonside).

[neels]

Well well, the plot thickens....


I understand that there have been particular challenges with Brooklands, over the LIDAR readings, which indicate that the level of Brooklands was miscalculated a few years ago. This means some of the decisions that were made over recent years assumed Brooklands was not as low-lying as it was. It also means that the drop in the land after the earthquake was not as great as was originally thought.

Almost sounds like someone has made a monumental fuckup at some point in the past, everything since then has been based on that, and now they're not quite sure what the hell to do.....

[dangerous]

Well well, the plot thickens....



Almost sounds like someone has made a monumental fuckup at some point in the past, everything since then has been based on that, and now they're not quite sure what the hell to do.....

Whats LIDAR? and so what she is saying is Broklands is lower than thay thought hence the movment is more after the quake?

[Oakie]

Whats LIDAR? and so what she is saying is Broklands is lower than thay thought hence the movment is more after the quake?

LIDAR (Light Detection And Ranging, also LADAR) is an optical remote sensing technology that can measure the distance to, or other properties of a target by illuminating the target with light, often using pulses from a laser. (From Wiki)

[dangerous]

LIDAR (Light Detection And Ranging, also LADAR) is an optical remote sensing technology that can measure the distance to, or other properties of a target by illuminating the target with light, often using pulses from a laser. (From Wiki)
yeah or good for getting speeding tickets with... just didnt know how it can be used to note the height/depth of land.

[Grumph]

Well well, the plot thickens....



Almost sounds like someone has made a monumental fuckup at some point in the past, everything since then has been based on that, and now they're not quite sure what the hell to do.....

Funny that the original "mistake" was in the developers favour and enabled the development to proceed....

What you're hearing now is the sound of universal arse - covering as even the council runs to lawyer up.

[Winston001]

I doubt the CCC really care about being sued. The cost would be astronomical for the person suing and even if they are successful, the ratepayers carry the can. That's you Dangerous. :niceone:

As I understand it, developers all over NZ have created subdivisions on low wet boggy land as well as on slippery clay slopes (Tauranga comes to mind). Council planners and engineers who go to university and study this stuff, have recommended these subdivisions not be approved. This happened in Christchurch with the Eastern suburbs which included an area named "Marshlands" for pitys sake. :no:

However: councillors are human and elected by the locals. Presented with a subdivision close to town, should they stop people having the chance to live close to work? Especially when the developers say they have all the problems covered and dig the streets even lower so the land appears to be high.

So the councilllors ignore the bureaucrats and the red tape. Which you and I would normally think was common sense and just what councillors should do...

So 20 years or so later...we deal with the consequences.

[Winston001]

I have to tell you, I'm a bit pissed off about subdivisions in swamps. I'm a farmers son and the one thing you do not do is build or even fence in a swamp. Its basic.

Once a week I drive past a new subdivision outside Invercargill. A house has already been built there surrounded by rushes. The land was a metre under water in the 1984 Invercargill floods with jetboats rescuing people in the area. And yet 25 years later...new houses. :eek:

[Grumph]

Councillors memories don't reach further back than the last election....if that.

The only bit of advice my mother gave me worth remembering was to never buy or build on the South Brighton sandspit...it had been under water three times in her lifetime that she could remember.

The drainage board used to regularly dredge the Avon and Heathcote rivers - guess where the silt was trucked to - Bexley....
For some reason they stopped dredging about 1960 and look at the drainage problems surfacing now.

[Rashika]

peoples memories seem to be very short...
I still remember lots of floods as a kid living in invergiggle

even though the EQ was an exceptional circumstance, common sense should still prevail with low lying land, but money always seems to speak louder, especially if you are unlikely to live in the area.

[dangerous]

I have to tell you, I'm a bit pissed off about subdivisions in swamps. I'm a farmers son and the one thing you do not do is build or even fence in a swamp. Its basic.

Once a week I drive past a new subdivision outside Invercargill. A house has already been built there surrounded by rushes. The land was a metre under water in the 1984 Invercargill floods with jetboats rescuing people in the area. And yet 25 years later...new houses. :eek:
yeah well human nature is greed, ie: to make money as easy as possible, it will alwas happen case eg is the subdevision you mention in chch. so people will always be sucked in its a kiwi way of thinking to pay as little as possible forgeting you get what ya pay for.
Drainage was sorted in these areas but no one ever thought about the affects of liqudfacation letalon a quake.

On another note FARK have I had a guts full of dealing with people, I want out simple as that. Eg a woman in brighten befor the quake lived in a shitty old run down beach batch... thanks to my men she now has a compleatly referbished house, this week she complained about a very small gap in the shower linings, not quake caused, but the dicks at fletchers said we will sort that, a compleat bathroom refit later and the bitch sends me a email about the new shower rail being 5mm out of level... next week it will be something else...
This is increasingly more common mostly with women, they want new fucking houses for nothing... GREED.

[neels]

Brooklands is goneburger.

Not sure if it's a :crybaby:

Or a :clap:

But anyway, at least it's an answer.

[dangerous]

Brooklands is goneburger.

Not sure if it's a :crybaby:

Or a :clap:

But anyway, at least it's an answer.

yeah mate we know you, anna, russle shit Iv even built 2 places out there... but hey its a bloody swamp, like I said to short arse, buy the padock next to us LOL, we will have a comunil bar (man cave) on the fence line :headbang:

[kerryhare]

yeah well human nature is greed, ie: to make money as easy as possible, it will alwas happen case eg is the subdevision you mention in chch. so people will always be sucked in its a kiwi way of thinking to pay as little as possible forgeting you get what ya pay for.
Drainage was sorted in these areas but no one ever thought about the affects of liqudfacation letalon a quake.

On another note FARK have I had a guts full of dealing with people, I want out simple as that. Eg a woman in brighten befor the quake lived in a shitty old run down beach batch... thanks to my men she now has a compleatly referbished house, this week she complained about a very small gap in the shower linings, not quake caused, but the dicks at fletchers said we will sort that, a compleat bathroom refit later and the bitch sends me a email about the new shower rail being 5mm out of level... next week it will be something else...
This is increasingly more common mostly with women, they want new fucking houses for nothing... GREED.

I would just love a house that dosnt move in the wind or when the other half walks to fast through it. EQC are crap to deal with, they tell you one thing one week, and then something different the next.

[lakedaemonian]

We went Green/Blue, or Blue/Green, or Turquoise a few weeks back.

Apparently we might need piles up to 6 metres deep.....but we wouldn't have a clue....as neither "full and final" assessment we've had yet has resulted in anyone even LOOKING under the house....let alone doing a proper inspection.

We figure they'll get to us somewhere around this time next election.

[neels]

Well, life in the red zone goes on for a bit longer it seems.....

Just talked to our insurance company, and apparently we can expect something from them on what our options are sometime next year.

Appears we are back of the queue for getting our roads fixed, back of the queue for land zoning, and now back of the queue with the insurance company.

Guess that puts us at the back of the queue for options on what to do from here too....

Fucking yay.

[dangerous]

fuck aye man... and yet yesterday I was torn a new arse hole by a client because I broke a twig off a plant while trying to repair a hair line crack in their foundation plaster, no doubt net even EQ related, but hell how there world has been torn down... fuckwits

[dangerous]

And I am out of here yeah no more EQR, Fletchers and arse people wanting their house rebuilt cos they ran out of bog paper... infact I wont even have to go anywere near town :motu:

[Brian d marge]

fuck aye man... and yet yesterday I was torn a new arse hole by a client because I broke a twig off a plant while trying to repair a hair line crack in their foundation plaster, no doubt net even EQ related, but hell how there world has been torn down... fuckwits

that was about 3 tinnys worth , 60 bucks at least

on the earthquake front , news over here ,and some compelling evidence suggests , there is a mother of an E quake , coming soon ,,,,

the other nights one was a sharp quick shock,,, jangled the nerves a bit


Stephen

[dangerous]

news over here ,and some compelling evidence suggests , there is a mother of an E quake , coming soon the other nights one was a sharp quick shock,,, jangled the nerves a bit


compelling evidence... ya taking the piss right, some cock on face book reckons he knows more than moon :ar15: as far as the other nights, your talking Toko right? cos oddly nuff we had one here to, not that I felt it.

[Brian d marge]

compelling evidence... ya taking the piss right, some cock on face book reckons he knows more than moon :ar15: as far as the other nights, your talking Toko right? cos oddly nuff we had one here to, not that I felt it.
no not taking the piss , assuming babel fish translated your post correctly

We have, some very good research going on in Japan about earthquakes , and the stresses according to the leader of those brain boxes, suggests that the stresses are building up in a horse shoe shape around the Kanto area

Stephen

[Winston001]

It is sobering to remember the Japanese 2011 Tohoku earthquake. Our own tragedy in Christchurch which still affects many of us today pales into an insignificant hiccough compared to Japan.

15,839 deaths, 5,950 injured, and 3,642 people missing.

Even after watching so many video clips I cannot comprehend these deaths. Consider the death of one person close to you. And then magnify that by 15,000. Abysmal tragedy.

[ellipsis]

...could be worthwhile reflecting on the effects of Krakatoa or even Vesuvius, but we still have a big fuck-up here thanks...on any scale you want to play with, the Japanese quakes were also of a, minor magnitude, in the overall scheme of things...

[Brian d marge]

...could be worthwhile reflecting on the effects of Krakatoa or even Vesuvius, but we still have a big fuck-up here thanks...on any scale you want to play with, the Japanese quakes were also of a, minor magnitude, in the overall scheme of things...

ok............... what scheme of thing are you thinking of ...... cause it pretty well funked up a large part of this country ,,,,,,


Stephen

[dangerous]

you 3 are all right... however, what the camsec is saying is, "sorry about the rest of the world but at present I have my own problems to deal with" and hes right, human nature, look after #1 once we have sorted our lifes then we will move on and help others. Chch is a shit of a place at present due to many reasons, I am looking forward to my last day in it very soon.

[ellipsis]

...scheme of things?....started with Pangaea...we feature down the track somewhat, and for how long?....

[Oakie]

Chch is a shit of a place at present due to many reasons, I am looking forward to my last day in it very soon.
Where are you off to?

[dangerous]

Where are you off to?next week I start a job as maintance and devlopment manager, out of town and we own land out west which we should have a floor down by xmas, dont worry I wont be far away LOL

[willytheekid]

Hope your all safe :love:

felt like a bigish one

[p.dath]

Hope your all safe :love:

felt like a bigish one

Looks like a magnitude 8 from the map. Being reported as 5.8 so far.
http://www.geonet.org.nz/


Reference Number: 3631359
NZDT: Fri, Dec 23 2011 1:58 pm
Magnitude: 5.8
Depth: 8 km
Details: 20 km north-east of Lyttelton

[Gremlin]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6184519/Large-earthquake-hits-Christchurch

http://www.3news.co.nz/Large-earthquake-hits-Christchurch/tabid/423/articleID/237582/Default.aspx