Orange Street Triple R on Akaroa Highway? (2 January)

[James Deuce]

We're all going on a
Summer Holiday
No more worries for a
Week or two!

[GTRMAN]

We're all going on a
Summer Holiday
No more worries for a
Week or two!

Well said, thanks Cliff

[ckai]

We're all going on a
Summer Holiday
No more worries for a
Week or two!

Cliff will never be the same for me since the last time he had a concert here, all I could fucken hear was his show while I was throwing up my intestines from food poisoning. The wife was going to call the ambo because it sounded so bad (the throwing up - not the concert). Funny thing is, I stopped at the same time as the concert finished...

Bloody agony it was.

[jasonu]

Mind you...it's been handy in the fact that it's helped us all ascertain who the biggest dickhead on KB is.

Katman?????

[dangerous]

Mind you...it's been handy in the fact that it's helped us all ascertain who the biggest dickhead on KB is.

Katman?????
dangerous?????

no wait!

[ellipsis]

...ya wanna intro...


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[dangerous]

yeah... I like that :whistle:

[Muppet]

Incredible how all I said was:

Orange Street Triple R on Akaroa Highway today, with a Ventura pack - if this was you, take a bow for your superb textbook cornering technique. I'm guessing you are either; an old biker with years of experience, a racer, a ex pat POM with Roadcraft experience, an instructor or an ex biker cop. You were smooth, fast and safe. Bloody impressive! Was hoping you'd stop in Little River for a chat, maybe next time!

and it generates 39 pages of discussion. Imagine if I called him a cunt!

[blackdog]

I do love seeing a machine being properly pedalled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo

Grounding the pegs in every corner, oh the humanity!

[ellipsis]

...I got fucked off telling people that , 'No, the wing doesn't handle like a bus, just the opposite'...I wore the little chrome rails off the side boxes very soon after I realised how nimble it was...around about the same time that my wife decided that she 'really wanted her own bike'...

[Big Dave]

On the new ones the blobs on the bodywork touch down long before the footpegs.

[TheDemonLord]

And after 39 pages of discussion you still dont get it ????? It was you calling his riding safe as well as being fast. Nothing to do with him or his speed at all but as I said there is no such thing as being fast and safe. Would you have still called him safe if you had seen him crash at the speed he was going???????

Oh Fuck, here we go again....

Minions bring me my Popcorn! This will take a while

[Grashopper]

And after 39 pages of discussion you still dont get it ????? It was you calling his riding safe as well as being fast. Nothing to do with him or his speed at all but as I said there is no such thing as being fast and safe. Would you have still called him safe if you had seen him crash at the speed he was going???????

That...that...muppet. How dare he. Only one thing to do now, you should take it international.

[Gremlin]

Incredible how all I said was:

Orange Street Triple R on Akaroa Highway today, with a Ventura pack - if this was you, take a bow for your superb textbook cornering technique. I'm guessing you are either; an old biker with years of experience, a racer, a ex pat POM with Roadcraft experience, an instructor or an ex biker cop. You were smooth, fast and safe. Bloody impressive! Was hoping you'd stop in Little River for a chat, maybe next time!

and it generates 39 pages of discussion. Imagine if I called him a cunt!
You must be new here... insulted him and most would probably have agreed. :laugh:

Bored? You had to stoke the fire didn't you :facepalm:

[tristania]

Oh Fuck, here we go again....

Minions bring me my Popcorn! This will take a while

Extra salty on the way :p

[Hawk]

sorry out of popcorn, will peanuts do, oh the joys of lurking

[quickbuck]

And after 39 pages of discussion you still dont get it ????? It was you calling his riding safe as well as being fast. Nothing to do with him or his speed at all but as I said there is no such thing as being fast and safe. Would you have still called him safe if you had seen him crash at the speed he was going???????
NO.. YOU DON'T, Clearly......

Did you think for one pea picking minute in that narrow channel between your ears that Muppet might, just might have been referring to his REACTIONS?
Could have been refering to his fast turning of the Motorcycle.....
Turning the bars fast has nothing to do with road speed....

Now go and talk to Dan about a riding course. You clearly need lessons...
www.rideforever.co.nz

[buggerit]

And after 39 pages of discussion you still dont get it ????? It was you calling his riding safe as well as being fast. Nothing to do with him or his speed at all but as I said there is no such thing as being fast and safe. Would you have still called him safe if you had seen him crash at the speed he was going???????

Im sick of our poor mental health system,HE IS FUCKING OUT AGAIN!!!:mad:

[blackdog]

I guess it will take a crash before you guys get it that in going fast there is a safety trade off. Go and have a look at the Track Day crash forum if you dont believe me.

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[quickbuck]

I guess it will take a crash before you guys get it that in going fast there is a safety trade off. Go and have a look at the Track Day crash forum if you dont believe me.
Is there a whole Forum for the Track Day crash now???
Forums for EVERYTHING.... Heck.


No YOU don't get it....
You can poodle around with your SLOW reactions, SLOW steering your bike slowley annoying all the traffic behind you...
Just tell me when you are out and I will be at home.... or the Race Track (eith racing or coaching, or another duty to enable people to ENJOY their motorcycle)...


Oh, and thay are called THREADS!

[TheDemonLord]

The funniest thing is - Cassina has a Hypothetical point (really badly made)

Everything has a safety trade off, riding faster is a safety trade off. Choosing to ride a bike instead of driving an M1A1 Abrams Main Battle Tank is a Safety Trade off, getting up in the morning is a Safety trade off. Etc. Ad Nauseum

but without witnessing the riding - fast is subjective and thus any debate about whether the riding was unsafe or not is pointless (nothing to back up either side)

[Pickle]

Just another dickhead that believes that speed is dangerous- ok question what speed is dangerous??, because in the original post the speed the speed triple was travelling was never mentioned so really this whole thread 39 pages is pointless

[ckai]

Incredible how all I said was:

Orange Street Triple R on Akaroa Highway today, with a Ventura pack - if this was you, take a bow for your superb textbook cornering technique. I'm guessing you are either; an old biker with years of experience, a racer, a ex pat POM with Roadcraft experience, an instructor or an ex biker cop. You were smooth, fast and safe. Bloody impressive! Was hoping you'd stop in Little River for a chat, maybe next time!

and it generates 39 pages of discussion. Imagine if I called him a cunt!

If you called him a cunt, this would all be over within the first page...cassina would have agreed with you. 40 pages is a good effort though, even by KB standards. I keep forgetting I have double the posts per page as normal. I was wondering were you got your '39' from when mine only shows 20.


And after 39 pages of discussion you still dont get it ????? It was you calling his riding safe as well as being fast. Nothing to do with him or his speed at all but as I said there is no such thing as being fast and safe. Would you have still called him safe if you had seen him crash at the speed he was going???????

Clearly you haven't ridden a Orange Striple. I shall educate you. They have a special mode. There is a special 'field' around them that means it is impossible to get injured and damage the bike when it is activated by certain riders. Any rider will have minor protection, but certain riders can activate, what is known as the Caoutchouc Mode. This effectively means you will bounce of anything, resulting in the rider being the SAFEST rider in the universe.

Prove me wrong. Go on. Use any science you want. Prove that this rider and bike does not have the Caoutchouc Mode. Until that day, they were the safest rider in the universe. Case closed.

[T.W.R]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hSs34-d9qO4/S7lGccO9UJI/AAAAAAAAAGU/m4hjQ9kvFJ0/s1600/beat_dead_horse2.jpg

[Geeen]

Clearly you haven't ridden a Orange Striple. I shall educate you. They have a special mode. There is a special 'field' around them that means it is impossible to get injured and damage the bike when it is activated by certain riders. Any rider will have minor protection, but certain riders can activate, what is known as the Caoutchouc Mode. This effectively means you will bounce of anything, resulting in the rider being the SAFEST rider in the universe.

Prove me wrong. Go on. Use any science you want. Prove that this rider and bike does not have the Caoutchouc Mode. Until that day, they were the safest rider in the universe. Case closed.

You aren't supposed to talk about that!!! Its a perk of RAT!! Now everybody is going to want a Trumpy..

[Kickaha]

. Go and have a look at the Track Day crash forum if you dont believe me.
That was nothing to do with speed and all to do with stupidity

[ckai]

You aren't supposed to talk about that!!! Its a perk of RAT!! Now everybody is going to want a Trumpy..

Yeah sorry, I know I broke the code but remember it states that under extreme stupidity we can reveal certain modes. I didn't mention the other ones.;)

[Geeen]

Yeah sorry, I know I broke the code but remember it states that under extreme stupidity we can reveal certain modes. I didn't mention the other ones.;)

Just as bloddy well. :killingme:killingme

[george formby]

That was nothing to do with speed and all to do with stupidity

And there we have it. In a nut shell.

If fast was so dangerous how come just about everything with an engine & a rego can exceed the speed limit?

Shirley the gummint, who does not endorse advanced rider & driver training coz it makes folks too confident & more likely to bin has enough faith in the general road using pubic to have vehicles which, wait for it, exceed 104kmh, the moment they pass their test, no pubic hair or IQ test required? K'in scary.

Lovely, the King of the Blind thread is still twitching. Curry & lager for tea.

[Geeen]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65144000/jpg/_65144581_zzzzdriverlesscar.jpg

[george formby]

I'm in. Curry & lager on route. Perfick. Has it got a telly, and a mattress?

[thepom]

Just checked cassina.s stats and he might be a she !......

[ellipsis]

...thought that was quite obvious from it's incessant, brain dead, trite and totally fucked up reasoning and the fact that it cant shut up...but this is a public forum...it'll be back, I bet...

[Big Dave]

If fast was so dangerous how come just about everything with an engine & a rego can exceed the speed limit?

Give it 10 years.

That or a device on the bike to automatically register the fine.

[MIXONE]

Just checked cassina.s stats and he might be a she !......

By inclination if not gender...

[blackdog]

Give it 10 years.

That or a device on the bike to automatically register the fine.

How delightfully Orwellion.

He would be having a chuckle, saying 'I told you so'.

[Blackbird]

Just checked cassina.s stats and he might be a she !......

Well, Cassina is a girl's name and amusingly, it's the common name for an American holly bush called Ilex Vomitorium (latin). Appropriate really, considering how many people wanted to chuck up after reading her posts.

No need to thank me for this riveting information, just thank the internet :cool:

[thepom]

Helpful and informative. ...

[Geeen]

Well, Cassina is a girl's name and amusingly, it's the common name for an American holly bush called Ilex Vomitorium (latin). Appropriate really, considering how many people wanted to chuck up after reading her posts.

No need to thank me for this riveting information, just thank the internet :cool:

OK

http://www.evilmediamogul.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/thank%2Byou%2Binternet.jpg

[jasonu]

...thought that was quite obvious from it's incessant, brain dead, trite and totally fucked up reasoning and the fact that it cant shut up...but this is a public forum...it'll be back, I bet...

Not to mention the highly feminine user name. What sort of bloke would call himself Cassina?

[Big Dave]

How delightfully Orwellion.

He would be having a chuckle, saying 'I told you so'.


Yep. Check the 'rego on hold' thread for a glimpse of the first installment.

You know when the old timers talk about 'the good old days'...

[Grubber]

I guess it will take a crash before you guys get it that in going fast there is a safety trade off. Go and have a look at the Track Day crash forum if you dont believe me.

Bloody retard. Coarse it will be a whole heap different for track work. Christ ya go like a bullet when on track, quite different to road riding.....why the f*** am i explaining this to a ditz! Sheesh!:argh:

[Brett]

How's this thread still going? slow holidays?

[ellipsis]

...what holidays?...

[nzspokes]

I guess it will take a crash before you guys get it that in going fast there is a safety trade off. Go and have a look at the Track Day crash forum if you dont believe me.

Sounds like your skirt got caught in the chain.

Try taking up freestyle knitting.

[russd7]

this thread is kinda like having a sore tooth, it annoys the puss outta ya but ya just gotta keep giving it a poke :facepalm:

[rastuscat]

this thread is kinda like having a sore tooth, it annoys the puss outta ya but ya just gotta keep giving it a poke :facepalm:
...............
Poke.

[FJRider]

Incredible how all I said was:

Orange Street Triple R on Akaroa Highway today, with a Ventura pack - if this was you, take a bow for your superb textbook cornering technique. I'm guessing you are either; an old biker with years of experience, a racer, a ex pat POM with Roadcraft experience, an instructor or an ex biker cop. You were smooth, fast and safe. Bloody impressive! Was hoping you'd stop in Little River for a chat, maybe next time!

and it generates 39 pages of discussion. Imagine if I called him a cunt!

5 pages tops .... and your name mud ... ;)

[FJRider]

And after 39 pages of discussion you still dont get it ????? It was you calling his riding safe as well as being fast. Nothing to do with him or his speed at all but as I said there is no such thing as being fast and safe. Would you have still called him safe if you had seen him crash at the speed he was going???????

Think of it as though you were watching a Tradesman working ... they make it look so dam easy ... and simple. Right up to the moment you try it yourself ... :msn-wink:

There are many that ride at high speed ... and are safer than others that ride at legal (or slower) speeds ... (you probably fit into this group) :shifty:

The one's that crash ... are the one's trying to keep up with him ... :devil2:

[ellipsis]

...............
Poke.

...now look whose turned up...always after the bad guys have got away...

[Crasherfromwayback]

...............
Poke.

Whole thread's poked.

[pritch]

...what holidays?...

Permanent holidays, as in seven day weekends. Every week.

Sorry toilers, I couldn't resist.

[Blackbird]

Permanent holidays, as in seven day weekends. Every week.

Sorry toilers, I couldn't resist.

Me too :niceone: Riding the Coro Loop, belonging to that well known cat food manufacturer IAMs and going fishing. Tough life :(

[pzkpfw]

Once all the "fast" riders have killed themselves, the thread will die.

Or will the "slow" rider(s) sit around saying "told you so"?

[bogan]

Once all the "fast" riders have killed themselves, the thread will die.

Or will the "slow" rider(s) sit around saying "told you so"?

Well, since they are relative terms, slow will become the new fast, and the sloth uprising will begin.

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[rastuscat]

Speed kills. Long Live The Sloth !!

Driving/riding like a wanker does too, but it's harder to police.

Doesn't stop us trying.

[george formby]

Speed kills. Long Live The Sloth !!

Driving/riding like a wanker does too, but it's harder to police.

Doesn't stop us trying.

I reckon that I come across thoughtless/lazy/ignorant/late, road users at a ratio of about 20 : 1 compared to out and out hoons.

Thank you Rastus for acknowledging that. They really rip my nightie.

[Ocean1]

I reckon that I come across thoughtless/lazy/ignorant/late, road users at a ratio of about 20 : 1 compared to out and out hoons.

That's 'cause they're bored shitless. Get 'em up to 200k and I guarantee they'll not only be paying attention but they won't be as late.

[DMNTD]

Driving/riding like a wanker does too, but it's harder to police.
Doesn't stop us trying.

If you could have a crack at the red light runners and aggressive non indicating lane changers down here it would be highly appreciated too mate.
Since moving down here I choose to drive and not ride around the greater city simply because a lot of the driving is simply scary.

[george formby]

That's 'cause they're bored shitless. Get 'em up to 200k and I guarantee they'll not only be paying attention but they won't be as late.

You may have a point.

[pritch]

If you could have a crack at the red light runners and aggressive non indicating lane changers down here it would be highly appreciated too mate.


Haven't driven in Christchurch in a few years but the late lane changers get my goat. On the local one-way system bastards drive right across town in the wrong lane then do an aggressive lane change in the last fifty metres before they have to turn right.

Then there's all the arseholes who pull out of intersections and cross into the wrong lanes. Just once in Wellington the :Police: got off their arse and did something about that, but on TV the AA said they should have used education rather than fining people.

Sometimes it's hard to be optimistic.

[ckai]

If you could have a crack at the red light runners and aggressive non indicating lane changers down here it would be highly appreciated too mate.
Since moving down here I choose to drive and not ride around the greater city simply because a lot of the driving is simply scary.

Shit, unless it's changed since I lived there, don't drive in the Waikato. Chch was a pretty much a breeze compared to here. It's the roundabouts that are the problem. It's like every one has taken the option of the Beemer driver and not selected the optional indicators when buying their car. Or they did, but can't quite work out how logic applies to the indicating rule. :bash: I was gonna suggest we should have an IQ test including with the 5 yearly licence check but I wouldn't be surprised if those that can't work it out a friggin' rocket scientists. Those buggers have no common sense.

It doesn't even make sense to bloody indicate right when going straight ahead! Indicating right tells the other drivers opposite, "oi! Stay back ya bugger. I'm coming in front of ya'".

But they may be driving under the speed limit so they're safe ;)

[thepom]

Every day I ride to work is an adventure....just trying to stay alive here in chch...all the above posta are true about bad driving....hardest part is having to think for them.....you just know thety are going to pull out in front of you....you so know they are txting as they weave all over the road....the best is when they swerve to avoid a dip or pothole in the road like their suspension cant handle it !....every ride is an adrenaline fueled adventure...I love it ha ha.....untill the ambulance turns up....

[Kendoll]

I have been riding for 38 years so motorcycling is hardly not my thing. I respect your right to think those not skilled in "Roadcraft" can not enjoy motorcycling. Everyone has a different threshhold for risk eh.

Good on ya mate, each to their own. But you've made your point so leave this guy to it eh? It's not necessary to turn it into a safety debate when all Muppet was trying to do is compliment another rider. Live and let live, and all that :laugh:

[thepom]

I dont get freaked out...its a buzz ha ha and riding in wet and icey conditions hones your skills too...smooth throttle and brakes response. ....and coppers waiting in the garage forecourts is sneaky but does show forward thinking...

[ckai]

While I dont get as freaked out riding as you in ChCh unless the road is wet or icy things will certainly not change as long as the cops regard having no reg or wof as more dangerous offenses by entrapping people at service stations.

Not to be picky, but bloody long sentence this. You wouldn't mind splitting it up with maybe a full stop or comma (or two)? I read it a couple of times and didn't know if you are freaked out with wet and icy conditions, as well as cops at the servo, or agree that no rego and wof is dangerous.

thepom obviously worked it out but I just want to double check. Hate to get the wrong idea of your opinion.

[dangerous]

Thank you Rastus for acknowledging that. They really rip my nightie.like sand in ya vigana aye man.




If you could have a crack at the red light runners and aggressive non indicating lane changers down here it would be highly appreciated too mate.
Since moving down here I choose to drive and not ride around the greater city simply because a lot of the driving is simply scary.LOL... I had heard you were here man, so tell us what ya really think them dorklanders wont believe ya.


Haven't driven in Christchurch in a few years but the late lane changers get my goat. na mate, here its the fuck with that swing into your lane cos 325km up the road they want to turn right, nothing wrong with late change... indercate lane next door will ease off and ya in... no wait


Shit, unless it's changed since I lived there, don't drive in the Waikato. Chch was a pretty much a breeze compared to here.
it has man and twice as bad since the quakes, ya look out for ya self end of


No I do not agree that no WOF and reg is more dangerous than actual dangerous riding/driving and having no wof does not always mean unsafe. shit dont mention anything on that orange trip thread that I agree with ya... last weekend at the entrance to the woodstock rally, the cops had 6 cars duno how many people but they were only pulling bikes and going mental with rego, wof and licence tickets, those pulled were proberly the safest riders on the road that day

[DMNTD]

...LOL... I had heard you were here man, so tell us what ya really think them dorklanders wont believe ya.

Heh...we'll have a catch up mate as if I typed out what I really feel about the state of driving down here I'd get banned from this forum

[quickbuck]

shit dont mention anything on that orange trip thread that I agree with ya...


Um.... Have a look at the top of the page :doh:







Sent from my Nokia using Tapa talk.

[blackdog]

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[cheshirecat]

If you could have a crack at the red light runners and aggressive non indicating lane changers down here it would be highly appreciated too mate.
Since moving down here I choose to drive and not ride around the greater city simply because a lot of the driving is simply scary.

He could spend a day (or an hour) at the Basin Reserve here during peak time and I'll get Rastus an Old Roger (delightfully deceptive UK beer) or two from that nice beer store nearby. Two red light runners, an amber lighter or two, couple of texters and a pear tree off her rocker with kids in the back in 45 secs I came across. In fact come to think that offer applies to any of the M/C boys in blue.

[DMNTD]

He could spend a day (or an hour) at the Basin Reserve here during peak time and I'll get Rastus an Old Roger (delightfully deceptive UK beer) or two from that nice beer store nearby. Two red light runners, an amber lighter or two, couple of texters and a pear tree off her rocker with kids in the back in 45 secs I came across.

Sadly that would be a slow day compared to what I've seen here today alone.
And I'd buy him rum... :niceone:

[blackdog]

He could spend a day (or an hour) at the Basin Reserve here during peak time and I'll get Rastus an Old Roger (delightfully deceptive UK beer) or two from that nice beer store nearby. Two red light runners, an amber lighter or two, couple of texters and a pear tree off her rocker with kids in the back in 45 secs I came across. In fact come to think that offer applies to any of the M/C boys in blue.

I thought all the lights in Newtown were voluntary stops?

[dangerous]

Um.... Have a look at the top of the page :doh:shit... its been a long day man, giz a brake Ive been up since 3:30

[cheshirecat]

I thought all the lights in Newtown were voluntary stops?
Remember a mate going out on the A40 London (duel lane lots of lights) in a minicab and the driver squealed to a halt on a green - and then he did it again on the next greens - Mate asked what the F and the guy replied that his (also a mincab) brother always shot the reds and he was just taking precautions

[quickbuck]

Hmmm,
Sitting here wondering what sort of compliment I can make to a rider that will start a thread that goes for 44 pages.......

[Robbo]

Hmmm,
Sitting here wondering what sort of compliment I can make to a rider that will start a thread that goes for 44 pages.......


You mean something like this??

Black Kawasaki ZX6R on Akaroa Highway today, with two hot chicks - if this was you, take a bow for your superb textbook cornering technique. I'm guessing you are either; great bikers with years of experience, or racers, or ex pat POM’s with Roadcraft experience, or instructors or ex biker cops. You were smooth, fast and safe. Bloody impressive! Even though your safety gear you were wearing left a little to be desired. Was hoping you'd stop in Little River for a chat, or maybe a quick leg over..


This should get cassina going.....again:2thumbsup

[tbs]

I got an email from Riderskills today about the new licence testing system. At the bottom was his usual footer image with the words "Safer - Smoother - Faster".

Sounds like Cassina needs to go and explain things to Chief Instructor Philip McDaid.

[AllanB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEHHlGNUiB8

[caseye]

Really and are they as well informed and knowledgeable as you on things safety?
NZTA I mean, hell, we all know you're the countries top notch safety expert, after all.
Nanny state has nothing on you!

[Kickaha]

It was said by someone else that IAMs was not NZTA approved and if this guy is I wonder what they think of his motto that you state. I quite frankly dont care.

NZTA approval isn't worth fuck all

[Blackbird]

It was said by someone else that IAMs was not NZTA approved and if this guy is I wonder what they think of his motto that you state. I quite frankly dont care.

Just when you think it's impossible for cassina to add further conformation of complete ignorance, she makes the statement above :facepalm:

The well-known pet food manufacturer isn't required to have NZTA approval for the simplest of reasons but I guess when you have one brain cell, using it for breathing is a questionably better option than actually taking the trouble to find out why for yourself rather than making an arse of yourself again.

And as for Philip McDaid, the people who know him would all agree that he's one of the best trainers in the business at all levels. It's also a measure of the man that in addition to his commercial business, he put a huge amount of time each week on an unpaid basis in helping people to raise their skills. Most people who know Philip would walk over broken glass for him.

[ellipsis]

....just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water...:brick:

[bogan]

Was just thinking

That only leads to trouble, just read all the roadsigns and go exactly that speed; others have done all the thinking for you :facepalm:

[Blackbird]

Was just thinking the guys motto did not make sense just like the claim of poster 2 in this thread but if you believe otherwise do so at your own peril sport.

I guess you don't read much but there's a quote by an English philosopher which seems appropriate in your case:

“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which keeps a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation”

[FJRider]

Was just thinking the guys motto did not make sense just like the claim of poster 2 in this thread but if you believe otherwise do so at your own peril sport.

The key word in the motto is smoother ... and (like it or not) smooth riding is automatically faster. It is then easier, as there is less stress on you .... and your bike. Better average speeds mean better fuel consumption and safer with fewer erratic lines taken. (even on unfamiliar roads)

The biggest win for you in doing such courses ... is increased confidence in your own riding ability.

I very much doubt at any time ... such courses (or their organizers) actually encourage any exceeding of any posted speed limit. Or ... ride in any manner you may deem dangerous at the time ...

[pritch]

The key word in the motto is smoother ...

Always, at all levels right to the top. At beginner level if you haven't learned to be smooth you will be in trouble when it starts to rain.
GP riders spend a lot of time on the edge and any rough treatment of the bike will bite them hard.

We should all aspire to ride smoother.

Sorry, I'm still missing Cassina's comments but that's OK. Actually it's very restful.

[TheDemonLord]

I have heard of Flogging a Dead Horse,

But this is like Flogging a Steak

[FJRider]

... But this is like Flogging a Steak

It's called "Tenderizing" ... :shifty:

[TheDemonLord]

It's called "Tenderizing" ... :shifty:


Well then....

Medium Rare with a Side of Fries then....

[Kickaha]

Well then....

Medium Rare with a Side of Fries then....


And garlic butter

[bogan]

My debate has been to do with the claim that is is possible to be safe while going fast. I believe there is a trade off due to having a reduced stopping distance if shit happens but if others think going to a riding school proves otherwise good luck to them. As for fuel consumption traffic density can play a part there too if you have to do a lot of stops and starts prohibiting a smooth ride too.

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[Berries]

My debate has been to do with the claim that is is possible to be safe while going fast. I believe there is a trade off due to having a reduced stopping distance if shit happens
Not one person on here would disagree with the last statement. We all know that the faster you go the less reaction time you have, the more inertia you have to get rid of, etc etc etc. Where you lose me and likely a few others is this link between fast and safe. Can you define either? Fast is as fast as fast is. 10km/h is fast, so is 50, so is 150km/h. Safe is not crashing. You can not crash at 10km/h, you can not crash at 150km/h. You can crash at both speeds, you can be safe at both speeds. The link between the two is not as clear cut as you keep implying.

[FJRider]

My debate has been to do with the claim that is is possible to be safe while going fast. I believe there is a trade off due to having a reduced stopping distance if shit happens but if others think going to a riding school proves otherwise good luck to them. As for fuel consumption traffic density can play a part there too if you have to do a lot of stops and starts prohibiting a smooth ride too.

This thread is about an Orange Street Triple on the Akaroa Highway ... and each of us that has at any time, been over that highway ... will have a different opinion on what could be deemed "Fast" for that road .... !!

Depending on the riders experience/skill, and the bike being ridden ... what could be seen as a fast speed ... will vary considerably. Possibly even ... being fast for the usual speed for that road ... but within the posted speed limit. But safe for THAT rider

It seems obvious that the rider of the Orange Street Triple has the skills (and the bike) to do the job. (No deaths or complaints reported)

Also ... It seems (to me) to be obvious that you (on your bike) could not ride that highway at the pace of the rider on the Orange Street Triple (in safety). It may pay not to be quite so vocal on others safety ... if they travel "fast" on any road you deem unsafe to do (on your bike) ...

As for "Traffic Density" ... no mention of any other traffic ... than the two vehicles mentioned in the first post. That of the OP's ... and the Orange Street Triple.

Smoothness ... even in heavy traffic is possible ... and plays an important part in being safe.

[FJRider]

Might have to take the 'Busa over the hill to Akaroa tomorrow, should be a bit more challenging now I'm allowed to wind it up to 110 now instead of 104, I'll pull over if I see something orange in my mirrors

As I understand ... the Akaroa cop has a distaste for motorcycles traveling at speed on that road. And as the law clearly states ... speeds over 100 km/hr IS illegal ... even for 1 km/hr over.

On that road (in places) ... the ticket may even get a dangerous tag with it ... with the comment from the cop .. to complain to the judge if you want to argue it.

[bogan]

Post number 1 was not talking about the rider going around a supermarket carpark but on the open road so it would not be 10km an hr or 50km/hr now would it??. If you go back to my earlier posts I said about speed being less safe the faster you go which you do appear to agree with as there is a reduction in stopping time eh.

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[Berries]

Post number 1 was not talking about the rider going around a supermarket carpark but on the open road so it would not be 10km an hr or 50km/hr now would it??.
No idea, post number one didn't define a speed.

[tbs]

You know, I'm feeling rather pleased with myself for winding this back up for at least another page.

Cassina, what would you consider to be a dangerous speed for a rider on a Speed Triple on a dry road with good visibility to enter a bend with a suggested speed sign showing 70?

Based on an earlier comment I'm genuinely curious.

[Robbo]

Post number 1 was not talking about the rider going around a supermarket carpark but on the open road so it would not be 10km an hr or 50km/hr now would it??. If you go back to my earlier posts I said about speed being less safe the faster you go which you do appear to agree with as there is a reduction in stopping time eh.

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[FJRider]

Post number 1 was not talking about the rider going around a supermarket carpark but on the open road.

The Akaroa Highway ... actually ... !!!

And that highway goes from Christchurch ... to Akaroa (funnily enough) ... and unless you can tell us which portion this fast (dangerous) riding occurred (which wasn't mentioned in the first post) ... you will be hard pressed to define his speed (which wasn't mentioned in the first post) as dangerous.

The rest of what you say is kindergarten logic.

[Gremlin]

As for fuel consumption traffic density can play a part there too if you have to do a lot of stops and starts prohibiting a smooth ride too.
Nope... smooth riding is quite attainable, and even with traffic lights, you can work to smooth them out as well.

[FJRider]

If the sign says 70km anything above it would have an element of danger otherwise there is no point in the suggested speed limit which has most likely been set based on the number of crashes on that bend. There are possibly more people in the cemetery as a result of going over the suggested limit than sticking to it.

You really are funny ... :killingme or .... :stupid:

How the corner speed advisory signs are NOT set by the number of crashes at that spot ... :rolleyes:

A vehicle with an instrument which shows the G-forces to the side as the corner is turned at a speed. There is a limit (not sure of actual figure) that must not be exceeded (That may risk vehicle rollover). The testing vehicle negotiates the corner (at various speeds) until the speed the required G-force is found.

Speed advisory signs are not speed limits as such (you cant be ticketed for exceeding them) ...

But if you crash/loose control on a corner while exceeding said advised limit ... in any later court appearance ... the judge will take that point into "consideration" ... and not generally in your favor.

See ... you learn something on KB each visit ... :shifty:

[FJRider]

My gripe was not about the speed being fast or dangerous but the claim of it being safe. If poster 1 had never mentioned the word safe I would not have any debate regardless of how fast the guy was going

Your gripe was based on Muppet's opinion on what was smooth, fast and safe ... ??? :shifty:

And you didn't believe him ... :blank: No actual speed or location was given ... and the gripe continues with no facts to back you up ... :confused:

[ellipsis]

... as there is a reduction in stopping time... eh.



...well, that is what good brakes are for...innit...

[russd7]

:Pokey: just like a sore tooth, had to do it :brick::facepalm:

[tbs]

If the sign says 70km anything above it would have an element of danger otherwise there is no point in the suggested speed limit which has most likely been set based on the number of crashes on that bend. There are possibly more people in the cemetery as a result of going over the suggested limit than sticking to it.

When I did my defensive driving course (a few years ago now) our tutor told us the suggested speed was there as a guide for a safe speed to negotiate the bend in any vehicle in any conditions. Possibly a slight over-simplification if you want to start talking snow or whatnot, but I've happily used that as a guide for many incident free years. Anyone I see slowing to the suggested speed in good conditions fills me with the utmost contempt.

[Berries]

When I did my defensive driving course (a few years ago now) our tutor told us the suggested speed was there as a guide for a safe speed to negotiate the bend in any vehicle in any conditions. Possibly a slight over-simplification if you want to start talking snow or whatnot, but I've happily used that as a guide for many incident free years. Anyone I see slowing to the suggested speed in good conditions fills me with the utmost contempt.
That's pretty good summary of curve advisory signage. I feel the same way when I see the vehicle in front slow to 65 when it hits the 65 sign. Usually I just pass it off as a tourist who is unfamiliar with our roads, clearly that it is not always the case.

[TheDemonLord]

When I was younger, and still in a cage, the advisory limits may or may not have a target....

The goal may have been to double it....:whistle::whistle::whistle:

[MVnut]

If the sign says 70km anything above it would have an element of danger otherwise there is no point in the suggested speed limit which has most likely been set based on the number of crashes on that bend. There are possibly more people in the cemetery as a result of going over the suggested limit than sticking to it.

They are set as FJrider says but are (more aimed at) truck advisory limits. If you have difficulty negotiating a 70 on SH75 at 70 you have a problem with your ability (skill level) and are more than likely to create issues for other traffic when you slow down so much (presuming you were near the 100 limit before the turn). I could offer to give you some coaching but I'm probably not experienced enough in your opinion ...and I don't always obey the road rules, I generally make them up as I go along

[pritch]

The goal may have been to double it....:whistle::whistle::whistle:

That is not an uncommon claim. In the event that I was doing double the suggested speed I'd be too busy to look at the speedo. I'm sure though that some people can actually do that.

With the exception of the very slow ones, 25kph and slower which tend to be quite accurate, I pay no attention whatsoever to the sign other than to note there is a corner there. A motorcyclist taking the corners at the posted advisory speed would be so rare as to be almost unique. And not in a good way.

[MVnut]

A far bigger issue created for other traffic would be when poeple crash on bends going too fast and end up blocking the road completely. No I dont need coaching on how to break road rules thanks I can do that myself.

I was being sarcastic....you couldn't pay me enough to coach you, I just hope newer riders never come to you for advice

[FJRider]

I was being sarcastic....you couldn't pay me enough to coach you, I just hope newer riders never come to you for advice

She's just full of good advice ...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/142318-Canterbury-Wednesday-Night-Ride?p=1130672025#post1130672025

[ellipsis]

...starting to sound more like a hazard than a careful rider...

[SPman]

I take the advisory limits, as the maximum speed the corner could be negotiated by a 1954 Austin A40 in average condition..........