Elections are coming up. What are we thinking?

[mashman]

You know, all this issue dodging, empty words, and failure to learn/comprehend, in addition to an oversized sense of your theories worth; has made me realise something. You're a politician! Just one whose ideas are too stupid to gain a following :killingme Thanks mashy, I needed some more faith in the electoral process after watching the last 'debate'.

PS: google is fun

Now, will you show us your political stripes and try and make out you meant something different? or will you own your fuck up?

*Sigh*. The irony is breathtaking, but wasted on one of us I'll bet. Really, you had nowhere to go but directly to the personal attack? How disappointing. I'm not looking for a following, odd how you decide to see things that way. On the bright side, "my" ideas are already taki9ng hold in many country's. I don't see it stopping, because, whilst you have faith in the system, I have faith in the people... but will be grateful for the democratic system when an R.B.E. is on the ballot and being promoted.

:facepalm:

[mashman]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10647188_834284246596212_940386659908479522_n.jpg? oh=c4897bd5b866b06a5786c6b74c2027d7&oe=5488CD00&__gda__=1415261245_eae0c62ae3aab865e151c731355c745 0

[bogan]

*Sigh*. The irony is breathtaking, but wasted on one of us I'll bet.

I think the meaning of the word irony might also be wasted on one of us. Although, the irony of you calling me out for personal attacks then going on one of your own applies I guess.

The question/point dodging however, is breathtaking (in a similar fashion to the debate 2014 I watched).

[mashman]

Now, will you show us your political stripes and try and make out you meant something different? or will you own your fuck up?

BTW, I saw no fuck up, don't look good in stripes, and care not for politics.

[mashman]

I think the meaning of the word irony might also be wasted on one of us. Although, the irony of you calling me out for personal attacks then going on one of your own applies I guess.

The question/point dodging however, is breathtaking (in a similar fashion to the debate 2014 I watched).

I smile when doing it too, and sometimes when it's late at night, well...........

I'm dodging nothing, I hit the wall every time.

[bogan]

BTW, I saw no fuck up, don't look good in stripes, and care not for politics.

The fuck up is that your original suggestion was for million dollar hammers to service our national debt, in conjunction with your previous statement that such a system is simply inflation/taxation for one purpose only, to show gdp figures.

Alas, I fear you are at another head-in-sand moment, if you feel up to discussing relevant points with appropriate support about finances, resources, demonstrably better ways of doing things I'll still be here, otherwise you can stay on my ignore list.

[mashman]

The fuck up is that your original suggestion was for million dollar hammers to service our national debt, in conjunction with your previous statement that such a system is simply inflation/taxation for one purpose only, to show gdp figures.

Alas, I fear you are at another head-in-sand moment, if you feel up to discussing relevant points with appropriate support about finances, resources, demonstrably better ways of doing things I'll still be here, otherwise you can stay on my ignore list.

No no no no no no no. That was not my suggestion at all. It was a could (it's in the sentence you quote), as in a single element in a much much larger picture... as could dog shit/sand/artichokes/gold/tally sticks/local currencies etc... That's as far as I'm going as you're going to have to extrapolate from there yourself.

I care not. You need chapter and verse. I am not offering that because you need to do some of your own brain work. But the premise of gaming the system by "divorcing" the financial system from human activity remains untainted by your attempts to shoot the messenger. You say can't, I say can, I'll leave it at that.

[SPman]

So, tell me, do National actually have ANY policies?

Seriously.

Because I'm damned if I can find any!

[bluninja]

So, tell me, do National actually have ANY policies?

Seriously.

Because I'm damned if I can find any!

Just for you the 2011 policies. They probably haven't changed....just a few privatisations on that list to go :bleh:
http://www.3news.co.nz/general/national-party-policies-at-a-glance-2011112211

[MisterD]

So, tell me, do National actually have ANY policies?

Seriously.

Because I'm damned if I can find any!

Apart from making the Hauraki Gulf and the Marlborough Sounds recreational-only fishing zones?

What about the new schools to be built around Auckland?

Maybe the money put up to buy land around waterways?

[oldrider]

So, tell me, do National actually have ANY policies?

Seriously.

Because I'm damned if I can find any!


Are we sure that the old adage: ... "Non so blind as those who will not see" .... Doesn't apply here? .... Just askin, just askin. :rolleyes:

[Grumph]

So, tell me, do National actually have ANY policies?

Seriously.

Because I'm damned if I can find any!

Only to promise what the focus groups have told them is needed to get back in power....and because the same focus groups have told them JK is "trusted", get him to badmouth the opposition parties at every opportunity...And use misdirection to get attention off the dirty politics shit.

I reckon the NI media have misread the situation in ChCh badly - if he'd wanted to, John Campbell could have got an audience of middle aged home owners to chant #### John Key on live TV the other night in ChCh just by asking....It was no trick for Kim to get students to do it.

And yeah, i'm an even more cynical old fuck.

[SPman]

Are we sure that the old adage: ... "Non so blind as those who will not see" .... Doesn't apply here? .... Just askin, just askin. :rolleyes:I'm actually talking election policies here, John.......
we all know what their ..."other" policies are....:bleh:

[bluninja]

I'm actually talking election policies here, John.......
we all know what their ..."other" policies are....:bleh:


Hey look, they're offering tax cuts before the election .....in 2017....there's confidence for ya :sweatdrop

[oldrider]

I'm actually talking election policies here, John.......
we all know what their ..."other" policies are....:bleh:

:laugh: Couldn't resist that! ... Thought you would see through it! ... There should be one of these :Pokey: with a smiley face on it! :yes:

[awa355]

How long before this dickhead arrives in NZ to work for some gubbamint think tank.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11320693

[Ocean1]

So, tell me, do National actually have ANY policies?

Seriously.

Because I'm damned if I can find any!

Seems they don't need much.

"Hi, we're not Labour" seems to be working fine.

[oldrider]

How long before this dickhead arrives in NZ to work for some gubbamint think tank.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11320693

Didn't Labour have him here to assist with their leadership selection process? .... :corn:

[puddytat]

Maybe the money put up to buy land around waterways?

Don't we or the Crown already own it? So assuming they buy it could it mean they could then sell it at a later stage into private interests thereby possibly, the possibility of private rights replacing the Queens chain ?

Possibly maybe....

[oldrider]

Don't we or the Crown already own it? So assuming they buy it could it mean they could then sell it at a later stage into private interests thereby possibly, the possibility of private rights replacing the Queens chain ?

Possibly maybe....

The Queens chain does not exist on all NZ waterways now ... many people are unaware of the reality of this situation ... answer to your question IMHO = Yes!

[Ocean1]

Don't we or the Crown already own it? So assuming they buy it could it mean they could then sell it at a later stage into private interests thereby possibly, the possibility of private rights replacing the Queens chain ?

There is no queen's chain.

http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2007/02/govt_to_break_e.html

[Brian d marge]

Don't we or the Crown already own it? So assuming they buy it could it mean they could then sell it at a later stage into private interests thereby possibly, the possibility of private rights replacing the Queens chain ?

Possibly maybe....
sold to the Australians , I think

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Didn't Labour have him here to assist with their leadership selection process? .... :corn:

Mr Boo appeared in Jamie and his magic torch , and flew around cuckoo land in a "submachine"

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/hs9RJLQsRkI/hqdefault.jpg



So he made the transition into politics then ....seems perfect for the JOB


Stephen

[oldrider]

There is no queen's chain.

http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2007/02/govt_to_break_e.html

Funny how quickly left leaners forget Labours unpopular moves :kick: and then attribute them to National over time! :shifty:

[mashman]

Are we there yet?

[MisterD]

Don't we or the Crown already own it? So assuming they buy it could it mean they could then sell it at a later stage into private interests thereby possibly, the possibility of private rights replacing the Queens chain ?

Possibly maybe....

"Waterways" being small streams on farms...so no, I don't think we own it already. If you ask me it's another corporate subsidy to farmers and a rubbish policy, but it is a policy.

We do need to clean up the water that drains off farms, but it's something that's perfectly do-able via a bit of common sense with the common law. If water flows from your property to someone else's you have a duty to make sure that you haven't polluted the fuck out of it so that it adversely affects that property.

[Brian d marge]

Remember one of these bastards will sign the TPP

ACC bye

NZ as we know it ...bye

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Stephen

[mashman]

Remember one of these bastards will sign the TPP

ACC bye

NZ as we know it ...bye

Stephen

:rofl: turnin' the screw coz they know what's coming. Wonder how quickly legislation will be shoved through so that private army's can be used as debt collectors.

[Berries]

Sky nearly had it right tonight.

[mashman]

Sky nearly had it right tonight.

Musl be a virus. Il slarled lo happen on my compuler lonighl.

[Brian d marge]

:rofl: turnin' the screw coz they know what's coming. Wonder how quickly legislation will be shoved through so that private army's can be used as debt collectors.
You will find out in just over a week

[Ocean1]

Sky nearly had it right tonight.


Technically correct.

Member for the opposition an' all.

[blue rider]

http://werewolf.co.nz/2014/09/third-term-losers/

won't it be fun having him holding the government on a short leash?

:)



http://i.imgur.com/5YJkv3B.jpg

[Brian d marge]

http://werewolf.co.nz/2014/09/third-term-losers/

won't it be fun having him holding the government on a short leash?

:)



http://i.imgur.com/5YJkv3B.jpg
The imf say jump we say how far and would sir like a blow job

Snip
What it illustrates is an addiction to an economic orthodoxy that has produced a lot of noxious social outcomes, alongside

Been saying that for a while now . . .

And it isnt just national . . .labour are as guilty as sin

Who was that maori fella who was running around up north with a gun
. .he seems he might have a plan

[gjm]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/09/11/blogwatch-gordon-campbells-19-reasons-why-we-cant-afford-another-national-government/

:whistle:

[mashman]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/09/11/blogwatch-gordon-campbells-19-reasons-why-we-cant-afford-another-national-government/

:whistle:

They're all shite and will all capitulate if they want to keep their job.

[bogan]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/09/11/blogwatch-gordon-campbells-19-reasons-why-we-cant-afford-another-national-government/

:whistle:

The source article reads well for getting that point across. But, how do you compare those things to the alternatives? Lets face it, the last terms with the GFC have been tricky, and all governments make some calls which look shit in hindsight.

[yokel]

The imf say jump we say how far and would sir like a blow job

Snip
What it illustrates is an addiction to an economic orthodoxy that has produced a lot of noxious social outcomes, alongside

Been saying that for a while now . . .

And it isnt just national . . .labour are as guilty as sin

Who was that maori fella who was running around up north with a gun
. .he seems he might have a plan

And the next noxious social policies are going to come on the back of " child poverty"

[gjm]

The source article reads well for getting that point across. But, how do you compare those things to the alternatives? Lets face it, the last terms with the GFC have been tricky, and all governments make some calls which look shit in hindsight.

It's true. The measure of a good government is when looking back, the public can see the right decisions were made. Trying to project yourself into the future to look back at now and assess what may (or may not) be the right thing to do is difficult, but it's not completely impossible. And let's face it - the politicians are paid enough money that we should be able to expect them to do the difficult stuff.

Unfortunately pretty much all governments these days shy away from the tough choices and the unpopular decisions because it could impact on their tenure in power.

[bogan]

It's true. The measure of a good government is when looking back, the public can see the right decisions were made. Trying to project yourself into the future to look back at now and assess what may (or may not) be the right thing to do is difficult, but it's not completely impossible. And let's face it - the politicians are paid enough money that we should be able to expect them to do the difficult stuff.

Unfortunately pretty much all governments these days shy away from the tough choices and the unpopular decisions because it could impact on their tenure in power.

Yeh, but it is a bit hard to compare those who were in power to make the right decisions, to those who were on the sidelines disagreeing for the sake of it. And also their faliing are more visible than their triumphs.

Yeh, I'd like to see a bit more long term planning in the govt, rather than juggling of vote buying with vote costings...

[SPman]

It would help if the government in power made ANY decisions. This one is a decision and policy free zone.......

[MisterD]

This one is a decision and policy free zone.......

Are you living under a rock somewhere? Did you miss the "working prisons" policy that the Labour and Green Parties and even that idiot Kim Workman, have said they support?

Granted they're a day to day management, small adjustments here and there, type of government but to say with they make no decisions and have no policy is utter bollocks.

Cunliffe can keep his grand vision, talk-about-poor-people-with-a-concerned-face schtick.

Anyone else got bored and voted already? ACT party and Nat Electorate locked in for me yesterday.

[oldrider]

The media and their beloved polls are weaving there brainwashing magic franticly as usual for another "close" election! :bs:

Happens every election and it never fails them! .... Government by media! .... Democracy New Zealand style! :sick:

[Brian d marge]

The media and their beloved polls are weaving there brainwashing magic franticly as usual for another "close" election! :bs:

Happens every election and it never fails them! .... Government by media! .... Democracy New Zealand style! :sick:

stuff.co.bullshyt...if on fire.....according to the map 99.999999999999999999999999999999998 % support national.......but then if you look at moari, they all support labour........

Hmmmmmm me thinks ........
Stephen

[mashman]

"The recent John Key video (original link) caused quite a stir among the New Zealand political circuit and was in the running to be one of my most highly viewed videos ever with over 6000 views in just 6 days,
It seemed strangely biblical that on the 7th day my YouTube channel was put to rest.
It appears as though many were unhappy with the video and reported it to YouTube,
This alone was seemingly enough to have my entire account with 3.5 million hits, 16,000 subscribers and 3000 videos deleted permanently without warning!" (http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/vinny-mr-news-eastwoods-blog/youtube-delete-vinny-eastwoods-1-ranked-news-channel-for-publishing-video-about-john-keys-past)


lulz@the influence...

Video page (http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/vinny-mr-news-eastwoods-blog/john-keys-real-past-exposed-must-see-please-share-6mins). What a fuckin muppet. Glad he's running NZ as he can't do too much damage to 4.5 million people and let's face it, they're only Kiwi's. Go hard johnny buoy.

[Brian d marge]

So, let me see if I have this straight,
he's a psychopathic narcissistic passive aggressive mamas boy with daddy issues,
And he has control of a country that has no corruption prevention framework

Hahaha haha classic

do now . . I could never find out if key was on the end of the phone to kregler . .

[oldrider]

Did Vinney write the book "How to win friends and influence people"? ... Plenty of rants, if he can back them up ... which he must be able to do! ... Nice wee rant! :niceone:

[Brian d marge]

Did Vinney write the book "How to win friends and influence people"? ... Plenty of rants, if he can back them up ... which he must be able to do! ... Nice wee rant! :niceone:
A lot of what he said i have already looked at
I do remember looking into the currency crisis before john key became prime minister
Then all of a sudden the trail dried up . . .u try and find a link between kregler sp and key
Rocking horse manure . . .

[oldrider]

A lot of what he said i have already looked at
I do remember looking into the currency crisis before john key became prime minister
Then all of a sudden the trail dried up . . .u try and find a link between kregler sp and key
Rocking horse manure . . .

John's background suggests links with the big Z but NZ is such small fry I wondered what purpose they would require him for here, other than indebtedness?

My first instinct judged by his first move once in power of reinstating the honours system was that a man with everything was simply looking for a Knighthood!

"Sir John" would just polish off his trophy cabinet along with his photos of him playing golf with the most powerful puppet in the world ... great conversation starters!

If he serves the Z's he will certainly not be working for NZ's interests man can not serve two masters and Z will win every time, what Z wants Z gets!

Number one question for John Key ... is he a "Zionist"? :corn:

[Brian d marge]

John's background suggests links with the big Z but NZ is such small fry I wondered what purpose they would require him for here, other than indebtedness?

My first instinct judged by his first move once in power of reinstating the honours system was that a man with everything was simply looking for a Knighthood!

"Sir John" would just polish off his trophy cabinet along with his photos of him playing golf with the most powerful puppet in the world ... great conversation starters!

If he serves the Z's he will certainly not be working for NZ's interests man can not serve two masters and Z will win every time, what Z wants Z gets!

Number one question for John Key ... is he a "Zionist"? :corn:
He just happened tobe on the other end of thephone in the nz trading office when our and went short on the currency
Both did well though i suspect it wasnt just key as the nz floor was well a backwater cousin so i suspect the big break was shared but im only gussing

As for being a zionist . . .,no dont think so

Star struck and willing to sell his soul

Yes

Helping nz and other kiwi battlers

No


Stephen

[SPman]

The media and their beloved polls are weaving there brainwashing magic franticly as usual for another "close" election! :bs:

Happens every election and it never fails them! .... Government by media! .... Democracy New Zealand style! :sick:The media and their polls are usually out by about 8% come election day - usually to the detriment of National. A bit like the polls on Scotlands succession - one poll that shows the yes in front after weeks of fiddling the polls to show the no's are ahead, and it's panic stations for the 3 amigos......

[mashman]

So, let me see if I have this straight,
he's a psychopathic narcissistic passive aggressive mamas boy with daddy issues,
And he has control of a country that has no corruption prevention framework

Hahaha haha classic

do now . . I could never find out if key was on the end of the phone to kregler . .

'parantly. Given the likely goals of those he is discussing and the current state of affairs, I've no need to doubt the Vinny's assessment. The one he did on the businessman who was royally butt fucked by TPTB was pretty damning iirc. Old johnny blue pants reminds me of blair.

Never the evidence and even if there were, who's going to prosecute the future PM of NZ?

[oldrider]

The media and their polls are usually out by about 8% come election day - usually to the detriment of National. A bit like the polls on Scotlands succession - one poll that shows the yes in front after weeks of fiddling the polls to show the no's are ahead, and it's panic stations for the 3 amigos......

Media can manufacture or select the polls to say anything that they want ... there are no integrity check systems to stop them! :shifty:

Another question for John Key ... does he hold any citizenships other than NZ? :scratch:

[pete376403]

do now . . I could never find out if key was on the end of the phone to kregler . .

Andy Krieger
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/08/greatest-currency-trades.asp

Fucking the NZ dollar rates at #3

[Grumph]

A lot of what he said i have already looked at
I do remember looking into the currency crisis before john key became prime minister
Then all of a sudden the trail dried up . . .u try and find a link between kregler sp and key
Rocking horse manure . . .

It's been speculated for some time that Collins has had something on Key....

One day when he steps over the line and finally fires her, we may find out - but i'd doubt it as he knows very well how to stay in power.

[bluninja]

Looked at the link. Seems it's not just the Harold and Whaleoil that can just say what they like with no substantive evidence for their dubious linkages :cool: I wonder whether it was more his attack on Bank of America in that piece that got him closed down rather than his "expose" of John Key.

And as for the comment about "Private Prosecutor" McCready using the Wolf of Wall Street DVD as evidence in a private prosecution (the judge subsequently through out the evidence and the case), to me it shows the lack of balance and integrity in the piece.

I always wonder what would happen if a video hatchet job was done on many of the people up for election next week. All the bleating about "dirty Politics" and yet I see more anti John Key dirty politics than any other. On FB all I see is nasty personal attacks on JK, none for any of the others. Perhaps I should change my friends on FB :msn-wink:

[Brian d marge]

Andy Krieger
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/08/greatest-currency-trades.asp

Fucking the NZ dollar rates at #3


Ta I always get his last name wrong

Still, I do remember those days first hand !


Stephen

[Brian d marge]

It's been speculated for some time that Collins has had something on Key....

One day when he steps over the line and finally fires her, we may find out - but i'd doubt it as he knows very well how to stay in power.

ye gods he was banging the secretary in his forex days ....shudder , Iwouldnt go near that hefalump

and thats saying something !!!


Stephen

[pete376403]

Looking forward to hearing what Glen Greenwald has to say - and what evidence he has to back it up

[oldrider]

Bet your boots it will just be another fizzer, Key is still the best of the rest despite the ravings of the media, ravings of the media, media, media! :weird::corn:

[pete376403]

Media can manufacture or select the polls to say anything that they want ... there are no integrity check systems to stop them! :shifty:

Another question for John Key ... does he hold any citizenships other than NZ? :scratch:

He will always be able to get citizenship in Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

[oldrider]

He will always be able to get citizenship in Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

Not as attractive as US, he was there long enough did he take up citizenship?

[mashman]

Looking forward to hearing what Glen Greenwald has to say - and what evidence he has to back it up

Sooooooooo, how did it gooooooooooo? Didn't see it due to doing other things.

[gjm]

Q&A this morning. I may well be mistaken, but it seemed JK got his head and spouted forth (while avoiding any direct answers), while the others got talked over as soon as they got into their stride.

And apparently, the Q&A polls are typically 'accurate'. Presenters word, not mine!

The post-interviews review sounded like a run Labour down session, saying nothing that had happened or been said would affect JK or National. There was support for the Greens, but it came across as 'vote Green instead of Labour - they won't get in, and National stay in charge.'
One of the panel even said 'when Green vote goes up, Labour vote goes down'. The same person even said Labour won't get more than 20% of the vote, and as such lack legitimacy to even form a coalition government... Quite possible, but a discussion about the interview seemed to be sidetracked into no-one else can win so you may as well vote National diatribe. Apparently Cunliffe 'may have equalled or even bettered Key in two of the debates' - I thought he'd kicked Key into touch in the first, and came out ahead in the second? (I didn't watch all of either debate, and haven't watched any more.)

The scariest thing about all of this is no-one challenges what is being said. No-one holds Key or National accountable for the monumental borrowing NZ now has - no-one even mentions it. Run Labour down, all good. Rave about National. All good. Give Green a little fillip - it won't make any difference, so that's good too. Of course, National abolished the charter Labour had given to TVNZ (it had failed, so there's nothing wrong in that) and give $15m a year to the NZ On Air Platinum Fund, which pays for Q&A.

Even JK's admission that he considered illegal expansion of covert public surveillance was dismissed with "well, they didn't do it so it doesn't matter'. We'll see. Subsequent assertions that GCSB does perform mass surveillance may (or may not) be proven. If true, it'll be embarrassing for all politicians who have discussed it, regardless of party affiliation.

Obviously this is just my perception of the media representation of the election 'stuff'. It could be that like bluninja, I also need to review my sources. :)

[oldrider]

Anyone else notice that the usual prolific political posters have gone to ground on KB? :confused:

Here we are only a few days away from the election and they are the quietest that one can ever remember! :argue:

Maybe they are all anticipating a final onslaught following the fat controllers amazing release on John Key next week! :banana:

[Madness]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10426114_10152513729728183_6012692954012894888_n.j pg?oh=2e7c491931e30bc08c7557bcebbe5354&oe=54A06E16&__gda__=1418600960_459cee50952089c9af4b5411f97f492 9

[Brian d marge]

I have this in me note section of KB and its helpful to remind folks sometimes , one should;

Challenge the TINA ( there is no alternative ) syndrome .. ( again not I am not sure )
* Promote informed debate and critique ..
* Promote participatory democracy ..
* Embrace the Treaty of Waitangi as a liberating force ..
* Encourage progressive counter-nationalism ..
* Develop multi-level strategies ..
* Hold the line ..
* Localise politics ..
* Ginger up party politics ..
* Invest in the future ..
* Support those who speak out ..
* Promote ethical investment ..
* Think global, act local ..
* Think local, act global ..

Stephen

[Naki Rat]

An accurate appraisal (https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10152314493541709) of the situation :niceone:

[Ocean1]

An accurate appraisal (https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10152314493541709) of the situation :niceone:

I think Uncle Bob's appraisal of mate Rod is more concise.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10833173

Labour will tax more and spend more to save the economy? Dog save us from whinging pommy doomsayers.

[Oscar]

Anyone else notice that the usual prolific political posters have gone to ground on KB? :confused:

Here we are only a few days away from the election and they are the quietest that one can ever remember! :argue:

Maybe they are all anticipating a final onslaught following the fat controllers amazing release on John Key next week! :banana:

That's probably because:


The election has become boring.
However, not quite as boring as some of the nupties here.

[bluninja]

An accurate appraisal (https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10152314493541709) of the situation :niceone:

Really?? :shit: Some would disagree, it's certainly a "vote labour" appraisal.

[gjm]

I think Uncle Bob's appraisal of mate Rod is more concise.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10833173

Labour will tax more and spend more to save the economy? Dog save us from whinging pommy doomsayers.

Uncle Bob didn't actually offer an alternative, though. Just a 'she'll be a-right'.

Economics is just a part of the election. National keep trotting out the 'Labour will borrow $18bn.' National borrowed $30bn to cover costs incurred by the Chch earthquake, and have only spent $15bn in Chch since then. Where's the rest? What happened to the funds saved for such an eventuality, and the money paid by insurance companies?

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So economics is one aspect of this, but it's one that National have thoroughly shafted NZ on over the last few years. They were (imho) correct to borrow to build, but they have massively over-borrowed, and are hugely over-exposed. I said before that this means NZ needs to maintain an ever-increasing GDP, but that isn't happening. GDP growth is slowing, and may even fall back slightly.

Do Labour have the answer? Or anyone else? I don't know, and to expect them to recover from this shambles in a single term is optimistic, to put it mildly. Anyone who has had the misfortune to experience personal debt (for whatever reason) will know it takes longer to pay off than it does to run up in the first place.

Past performance is no guarantee of future success, but if your performance has been indisputably poor, and shows no sign of changing or even inclination to change, do you deserve a chance to make things worse?

The government NZ needs is one that will work together for the benefit of the country, and not one which is openly derogatory towards the electorate (as John Key has been) and won't tell anyone what they intend to do.

[Ocean1]

Uncle Bob didn't actually offer an alternative, though. Just a 'she'll be a-right'.

Well, he's worth a bit. Which makes his somewhat of an expert opinion wrt economists.


Economics is just a part of the election. National keep trotting out the 'Labour will borrow $18bn.' National borrowed $30bn to cover costs incurred by the Chch earthquake, and have only spent $15bn in Chch since then.

Source?

And in fact, like a few others with a functioning memory I'm still pissed that labour presided over the largest economic boom in living memory, taxed the fuck out of us right through it and blew the lot on social welfare, leaving us with fuck all fat to weather the GFC.

[blue rider]

interesting read for those who care :)

will be voting early and only once

http://oneandonlybrands.blogspot.co.nz/2014/09/vote-rational-not-national-its-time-for.html?spref=fb


There is no difference between the party's ability to deliver growth or to meaningfully redistribute health or education resources - because we do a pretty good job of that - regardless of who has the helm.

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't change the government in this election. You should. The previous government became haughty just as the current one expresses a kind of entitled hubris. They become stale after too long in the sun and need to be switched around. It keeps them honest. It gives the electorate a fair sense of representation and choice.

It is time to change the government as a way of expressing your faith in a democratic process. Not because one party is 'better' than the other but because they need to be reminded that they represent us, the New Zealand parliament doesn't rule - it governs. There is a big difference.

To keep our democracy alive and healthy it needs to be regularly pruned. It's time for some dead-heading.

[Swoop]

There was support for the Greens, but it came across as 'vote Green instead of Labour - they won't get in, and National stay in charge.'
One of the panel even said 'when Green vote goes up, Labour vote goes down'. The same person even said Labour won't get more than 20% of the vote, and as such lack legitimacy to even form a coalition government... Quite possible
The interesting thing is that when the liarbour vote goes down, this will bring a whole new raft of lunatic fringe-ist, green party list morons, out into the open. Scary times.
A bit like the Internet/moron party who has john minto high on their party list (scary!).

[Pussy]

And in fact, like a few others with a functioning memory I'm still pissed that labour presided over the largest economic boom in living memory, taxed the fuck out of us right through it and blew the lot on social welfare, leaving us with fuck all fat to weather the GFC.

The hand wringing and foaming at the mouth lefties generally conveniently forget about this....

[gjm]

Uncle Bob didn't actually offer an alternative, though. Just a 'she'll be a-right'.

Well, he's worth a bit. Which makes his somewhat of an expert opinion wrt economists.
I'd kinda hoped there would be a bit more than he came up with. Massive debt but no tenable way or plan to repay, is surely a concern, and not something to ignore because it'll just go away?



Economics is just a part of the election. National keep trotting out the 'Labour will borrow $18bn.' National borrowed $30bn to cover costs incurred by the Chch earthquake, and have only spent $15bn in Chch since then. Where's the rest? What happened to the funds saved for such an eventuality, and the money paid by insurance companies?

Source?
From Deloittes (author Brett Chambers): "The Government has shown its steadfast commitment to the rebuilding of Christchurch, one of its top four priorities for this term, announcing a further $2.1 billion of operating and capital spending in Budget 2013. The Crown’s total contribution to earthquake recovery is now estimated at a total of $15.2 billion."
And from 3News (May 2013) "With the estimated total cost for Christchurch earthquake recovery ballooning to $40 billion, the Government has increased its contribution by $2.1 billion. Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Minister Gerry Brownlee confirmed the increase today as part of the Government's Budget 2013, bringing its total contribution to $15 billion."

Which covers what they have, or are expected to, spend. I apologise - I cannot now find any details of how much has been borrowed specifically to cover earthquake costs, but clearly recall having read that figure, backed up by (among other things) an increase in week-on-week borrowing. (Which is apparently now down to 'just' $75m a week.) Other sources for this revenue came from cuts in public spending and other areas.


And in fact, like a few others with a functioning memory I'm still pissed that labour presided over the largest economic boom in living memory, taxed the fuck out of us right through it and blew the lot on social welfare, leaving us with fuck all fat to weather the GFC.
The same GFC that had started when National gained power on the back of their promises of tax cuts? ;)

I can't comment on what Labour did, but am happy to learn. It's from before the time when I had any interest in Kiwi economics.

Regardless of National's performance, I do wonder what Labour would have done had they retained a majority in the last election. I'd hope their austerity would have tempered, but history may be a better indicator of whether that would have happened.

[Ocean1]

I'd kinda hoped there would be a bit more than he came up with. Massive debt but no tenable way or plan to repay, is surely a concern, and not something to ignore because it'll just go away?




From Deloittes (author Brett Chambers): "The Government has shown its steadfast commitment to the rebuilding of Christchurch, one of its top four priorities for this term, announcing a further $2.1 billion of operating and capital spending in Budget 2013. The Crown’s total contribution to earthquake recovery is now estimated at a total of $15.2 billion."
And from 3News (May 2013) "With the estimated total cost for Christchurch earthquake recovery ballooning to $40 billion, the Government has increased its contribution by $2.1 billion. Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Minister Gerry Brownlee confirmed the increase today as part of the Government's Budget 2013, bringing its total contribution to $15 billion."

Which covers what they have, or are expected to, spend. I apologise - I cannot now find any details of how much has been borrowed specifically to cover earthquake costs, but clearly recall having read that figure, backed up by (among other things) an increase in week-on-week borrowing. (Which is apparently now down to 'just' $75m a week.) Other sources for this revenue came from cuts in public spending and other areas.


The same GFC that had started when National gained power on the back of their promises of tax cuts? ;)

I can't comment on what Labour did, but am happy to learn. It's from before the time when I had any interest in Kiwi economics.

Regardless of National's performance, I do wonder what Labour would have done had they retained a majority in the last election. I'd hope their austerity would have tempered, but history may be a better indicator of whether that would have happened.

Bob's fortune was from property speculation, not what I'd consider actual productive enterprise. And our public debt is fuck all compared to most countries, in spite of the constant bleating from the more socialist elements about "austerity" measures. God knows what they'd have thought of any policy requiring us to actually live within our means let alone pay down debt.

I'm not confident of those earthquake numbers, but I've got little more solid ones. I have a suspicion that the govt should have done better wrt the rebuild of EQC covered housing but like most emotive topics reported "facts" tend to be unreliable.

And yes, that GFC, talk about a hospital pass. In spite of which they've done far better for us through that period than have most other western economic policy sets. But Labour didn't have a majority in the last election. I assume you meant their last term in office? I can make a good case based on the likelihood of them maintaining a high tax and spend stance far longer than National did, with far less attractive results.

[Madness]

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I apologise to those of you who might be eating, or have eaten in the past 24-hours.

[bluninja]

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I apologise to those of you who might be eating, or have eaten in the past 24-hours.

Some people can't resist a fat man with a huge weapon :wacko: At least the trousers are on. Wouldn't want Pseudo Slater's privates stuff leaking on the internet :gob:

[oldrider]

I reckon that is bloody funny and clever too! :nya:

[Swoop]

The hand wringing and foaming at the mouth lefties generally conveniently forget about this....
Yup. Spending all we had in the bank account (because they knew they were fucked at the next election) on a train set and maori land settlements (to get Cullen employment afterwards) we could have bought at a $1- reserve auction. Fucking lunatic red bastards!


The same GFC that had started when National gained power on the back of their promises of tax cuts?

I can't comment on what Labour did, but am happy to learn. It's from before the time when I had any interest in Kiwi economics.
National promised things before seeing how badly the liarbour cunts had fucked up financially (again), and had to re-jig the budget. Then the chch dodgy-land-fiasco fucked everything up!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I apologise to those of you who might be eating, or have eaten in the past 24-hours.

I came to post that. Isn't it fantastic. I have fapped so many times.

[Brian d marge]

Yup. Spending all we had in the bank account (because they knew they were fucked at the next election) on a train set and maori land settlements (to get Cullen employment afterwards) we could have bought at a $1- reserve auction. Fucking lunatic red bastards!


National promised things before seeing how badly the liarbour cunts had fucked up financially (again), and had to re-jig the budget. Then the chch dodgy-land-fiasco fucked everything up!
Not sure that was actually the case ..... sounds good when ya read it .......

Stephen

[gjm]

Not sure that was actually the case ..... sounds good when ya read it .......

Stephen

I was thinking the same, but can't back it up.
I know National promised year-on-year tax cuts for 3 years in their propaganda/manifesto, and it is widely accepted (from what I have read) that this was a significant contributor to their victory. OK... Let's assume that Labour's figures didn't add up (exactly as National's don't add up this time around!); why did National compound an issue by giving a tax break in year one, another in year two, then backing out in year three citing the GFC as the reason?

On a completely different tangent, I was wondering over the weekend if I would feel quite the same animosity towards National if John Key were not the leader, and if I didn't see his smug and supercilious mugshot everywhere? I've rarely felt that even a politician is trying to deceive and mislead as much as he seems to me to be doing.

[Swoop]

Damn.

Having voted already, I have just seen the Civilian Party advert. I like it!
Doing away with Hamilton makes a lot of sense, but where would the new capital of chlamydia be located?

[puddytat]

Anyone else notice that the usual prolific political posters have gone to ground on KB? :confused:

Here we are only a few days away from the election and they are the quietest that one can ever remember! :argue:

Maybe they are all anticipating a final onslaught following the fat controllers amazing release on John Key next week! :banana:

Good to see your still waffling on....

[oldrider]

Good to see your still waffling on....

Been a bit different this time, be interesting to see stage one result on Saturday night! :confused: What do you reckon? :shifty:

[Brian d marge]

Bbc has an article about the length of term

With a smiling victorious Donkey as a photo

[puddytat]

Been a bit different this time, be interesting to see stage one result on Saturday night! :confused: What do you reckon? :shifty:

Same old Winnie shit......fucking the country around while he grand stands one way or the other, makes a deal with the Natz .
Then another election before the term is completed.
Which wont change anything much as the Corporates will own us in the court rooms legally then with the TPPA, whereas now they just walk in the backdoor of the Beehive with their agendas.
What wont change is that we will all still subsidise those fuckers with our taxes.

Now I wonder how many of the words Ive just written will end up logged.

[Brian d marge]

Ive got a bomb and i will use it . . .i must trade in this old wreck . . , thats how ya get logged

[mashman]

National confident it'll win Eminem legal battle (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/25009137/national-confident-itll-win-eminem-legal-battle/)... ahhhh yes, and who will be footing the bill if the nats lose? Fuckin idiots... and those who vote for 'em.

[bluninja]

National confident it'll win Eminem legal battle (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/25009137/national-confident-itll-win-eminem-legal-battle/)... ahhhh yes, and who will be footing the bill if the nats lose? Fuckin idiots... and those who vote for 'em.

So why have 8 Mile LLC made all this public rather than just file it in court and look to get paid in an out of court settlement as would normally happen? According to the National propaganda machine the Nats went to the media rights agent and followed things properly. Anyway it's only money..so what are you bitching about ? Is it your money? Tell you what I'll give you a hammer, for free :woohoo:

[mashman]

So why have 8 Mile LLC made all this public rather than just file it in court and look to get paid in an out of court settlement as would normally happen? According to the National propaganda machine the Nats went to the media rights agent and followed things properly. Anyway it's only money..so what are you bitching about ? Is it your money? Tell you what I'll give you a hammer, for free :woohoo:

They're whistleblowing. That cash would be better off spent on other things, but hey, who cares right? That money affects the quality of life of those in the country. S'ok, I've got a hammer ta.

[bluninja]

They're whistleblowing. That cash would be better off spent on other things, but hey, who cares right? That money affects the quality of life of those in the country. S'ok, I've got a hammer ta.

So why does it matter to you how National spend/waste their money? Are you a secret National Party member? Some people would be happy to have Eminem's publishing rights managers bankrupt (financially) the Nationals. Or is National being funded by taxpayers?

Gald you've got a hammer. Can I give you a saw? I think someone said you keep losing them......wait for it.....drum roll please......they said you were a saw loser Ta Da! :doctor:

I also see more mud is being applied to the "Moment of Truth" as to whether it was election advertising, and fit the rules, and should be within the advertising spending cap. Watching it online I was amazed how many Internet Mana tee shirts were being worn. I would certainly say the event was done to promote the Internet Mana party.

[mashman]

So why does it matter to you how National spend/waste their money? Are you a secret National Party member? Some people would be happy to have Eminem's publishing rights managers bankrupt (financially) the Nationals. Or is National being funded by taxpayers?

Gald you've got a hammer. Can I give you a saw? I think someone said you keep losing them......wait for it.....drum roll please......they said you were a saw loser Ta Da! :doctor:

I also see more mud is being applied to the "Moment of Truth" as to whether it was election advertising, and fit the rules, and should be within the advertising spending cap. Watching it online I was amazed how many Internet Mana tee shirts were being worn. I would certainly say the event was done to promote the Internet Mana party.

As a potential voter, I would have thought it was important <_<. :rofl:@party member, I leave such stupidity up to others... oh and just to be clear, that goes for all of the mainstream parties. No doubt some would like to see Eminem as no more too. Of course political parties are funded by the taxpayer... unless of course they're receiving funds from people who don't pay tax.

Cor that was weak... I haz jealousy lol. That would mean that I was trying to win something. Seems that "they" are wrong as they obviously have no idea of my motivation... but "they" can't really be blamed for following the crowd as it's natural for those with a mental deficiency.

:rofl:, quick, quick, someone's getting an unfair advantage... attack the person and contact legal as we need a new raft of laws to protect ourselves from having our dirty laundry aired in public. Shiny stuff, lies, deception, corruption, catchy tunes etc... all of the bullshit that keeps people from considering policy.

Talking of which, how many policies do national have or labour or the greens etc...? Coz it looks like next to fuck all to me when I read through them recently. I'm surprised that anyone votes given the stunning lack of detail in any of their policies.

[AllanB]

The tune is a storm in a tea cup. Probably got Kimdatcum behind it all...


I predict National will do very well out of the 'moment of poof' evening - I predict a surge there way aas the voting public tire of the personal attacks on the Prime Minister and NZ.


Labour will not do well out of it? Are they still around?


Greens will do very well.

And shit on me the Colin Craig Party is polling over 5%!!!!! crack out the tinfoil.

[Brian d marge]

this is what should happen to the shyt that we elect .....

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Look it even comes in its own can ......


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Stephen

[mashman]

this is what should happen to the shyt that we elect .....

Stephen

Oh look, the BYOB party. Bring Your Own Bin

[oldrider]

Brother Nate gives his impression of how elections are controlled in America ... in the local turmoil of election fever what similarities are there here?

America?: http://brovids.com/?p=882 How do we compare? ... Can we say we are free of such influence? :confused:

[gjm]

So... Did Key know about the spying malarky? I'm sure he'll say not, but he has been incredibly fast and vocal at denouncing those who said it has happened. Is happening...

Key is quick to de-classify stuff that'll help him, but just will not tell us - the public - what is really going on with other things. Like TPPA... Now that's a horror story waiting to happen: megalomaniac tobacco companies suing NZ because we have a stance against smoking is a headline, but it is just that - a headline. The small print is worse.
And JK wants it to happen!!!

He'll probably not get caught on the spying stuff. He's already put Cheryl Gwyn in the frame for that. He's good at that sort of thing.

C'mon National. Kick your lying two-faced leader into touch. It'll probably help you in the polls.

[puddytat]

Longish read , but it'll give you an idea of how "they" are thinking....
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/09/17/has-the-nsa-constructed-the-perfect-ppp/

[awa355]

A good article, I've read the whole thing. Everyone should.

To be honest, I have never expected anything less than total surveillance of all things within the digital world, by those with a vested interest in gathering info. Either for national security or to pass on to commercial interests.

If the Greens or Labour got into power and declared they were going to put things right, the whole issue would simply be re dressed using a different cover.

[gjm]

A good article, I've read the whole thing. Everyone should.

To be honest, I have never expected anything less than total surveillance of all things within the digital world, by those with a vested interest in gathering info. Either for national security or to pass on to commercial interests.

If the Greens or Labour got into power and declared they were going to put things right, the whole issue would simply be re dressed using a different cover.

It's a reflection on the modern world - not on society - that this happens. The reflection on society is the lies and deceit we hear from those claiming to act in our best interests, especially when they deny the existence of certain things. It could be that they are simply the puppets, but if so it is about time they recognised that.

The UK government has long been like this. Those holding power, whether by majority or not, don't actually have as much decision-making ability as the public typically thinks. In the UK, it is the behind-the-scenes folk who do this. Policy is decided, then dressed in Labour/Conservative/Liberal clothes before being presented for the derision, typically, of the masses.

Does anyone remember 'Yes, Minister' and 'Yes, Prime Minister'? Humphrey is a caricature of the reality, but there was just so much truth behind the depiction. The difference these days is that big business is starting to pull the strings more and more.

[oldrider]

MMP is an abomination but the media are a thousand times worse ... once again we have an MMP election driven by media so expect no satisfaction to come from it! :oi-grr:

It will probably be quite some time after the election before a result is known and a government sworn in anyway ... how third world can it get! :wait: . :weird:

[mashman]

Bill English describes beneficiaries as drug addicts (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-english-describes-beneficiaries-drug-011121457.html)... bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa the ignorance of the right whinge is astounding.

Conservatives confirm press sec has quit (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25041216/conservatives-confirm-press-sec-has-quit/#)... he looks dodgy. Him and bill would get on well I reckon.

[puddytat]

Bill English describes beneficiaries as drug addicts (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-english-describes-beneficiaries-drug-011121457.html)... bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa the ignorance of the right whinge is astounding.

Conservatives confirm press sec has quit (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25041216/conservatives-confirm-press-sec-has-quit/#)... he looks dodgy. Him and bill would get on well I reckon.

I reckon Whaleslob has got something on Colin & her....

[Indiana_Jones]

Civilian Party is my number one choice at the moment.

-Indy

[Brian d marge]

Any party drinking. . . acid or house

[Brian d marge]

Vote national vote big screen tv
Free from harvey normans

[puddytat]

I like the tune this guys whistling
301105

Any party drinking. . . acid or house

[oldrider]

So far Craig and his conservative party are the only political entities that have sent any election material to our address!

The real problem is the monetary system and on that they are orthodox debt system other than that they presented themselves very well

I hope they do well and make it into parliament, he does come across as a funny (strange) kind of guy but he has a good team with him IMHO. :yes:

[bluninja]

So far Craig and his conservative party are the only political entities that have sent any election material to our address!

The real problem is the monetary system and on that they are orthodox debt system other than that they presented themselves very well

I hope they do well and make it into parliament, he does come across as a funny (strange) kind of guy but he has a good team with him IMHO. :yes:

I got leaflets from Conservative, and mailings from Conservative and National. Nothing for any other party in the electorate or national party....not evan an email from the Internet party, though there was an ad on Facebook to "like" that Harry woman :) Clearly the other parties don't want my vote enough to even drop me a leaflet :baby:

[Grumph]

I'm slightly worried...A left leaning voter in a national held electorate,and John Key's office keeps sending me electioneering bumf adressed to me personally.....Am i just paranoid ?

Any one else getting mail from the office of John Key ?

[gjm]

I'm slightly worried...A left leaning voter in a national held electorate,and John Key's office keeps sending me electioneering bumf adressed to me personally.....Am i just paranoid ?

Any one else getting mail from the office of John Key ?

As The Village People said: "They want you as a new recruit..." :)

[yokel]

Bill English describes beneficiaries as drug addicts (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-english-describes-beneficiaries-drug-011121457.html)... bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa the ignorance of the right whinge is astounding.

Conservatives confirm press sec has quit (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25041216/conservatives-confirm-press-sec-has-quit/#)... he looks dodgy. Him and bill would get on well I reckon.

Bill is correct, giving money to the poor is like giving alcohol to alcoholics.
But he is still a cunt

[mashman]

I reckon Whaleslob has got something on Colin & her....

Likely not just (f)whailboil that has something on politicians innit.


Bill is correct, giving money to the poor is like giving alcohol to alcoholics.
But he is still a cunt

Correct? How? Dat you Bill?

[SPman]

An interesting post that sums up a lot of "mainstream" attitudes.....
Well here we are - the 2014 general election is now just a day away.
Come Monday, I have no doubt that there will be intense discussions and negotiations taking place between the various parties vying to create a new government to steer this nation into an uncertain future.
Will the Nats govern alone, with just support and confidence agreements with some minor parties? Or will Winston Peters, once again play King-maker and become the nation's new deputy Prime Minister for his troubles?
Whatever the composition of the next government, I must say that I certainly don't hold much hope for the nation until we get someone with testicular fortitude at the helm of the good ship GodZone and sadly, I see no candidates meeting that criteria on the ballot paper.
I've thought long and hard about who will earn my vote on Saturday and sadly, although I will be voting, I have to say that none are really considered suitable.

It would be unthinkable for me to even consider supporting the National Party -- even though I'm sometimes considered quite right-wing in my outlook. The reason for ruling them out is that I will not countenance dishonesty and a contempt for the laws of the land from any party or politicians. Clearly, this rules John Key and the Nats right out of the battle for my vote.
Then we have Labour, the party led by a man who seems to be so keen to please that he would apologise for his gender -- when he thinks that will earn him brownie points.
Remember what I said about testicular fortitude? Well no "I"m sorry for being a man" candidate or their party will fit that bill now, will it?

Labour also lose because they have no vision, no courage, no "zing". They're a "slightly left of centre", steady as she goes party that gives the impression they're very keen to warm the government benches but not so keen to actually do very much once they get there. Sorry guys... you're out of the running too.

NZ First seems to be gathering some very strong support, especially amongst my age bracket and older.
Why?
Because Winston Peters says what many people of this age are thinking when it comes to his blatantly xenophobic perspectives?
Sorry Winnie... I'm someone who believes that egalitarianism is a virtue, not a sin. I don't give a stuff about a person's race, colour, culture or creed. I judge every person on their individual traits, personality and character. In that area, you also fail. Just listening to your pompous performance on NatRad when being interviewed by Guyon Espiner on NatRad this morning was enough to remind me how greasy and nasty you can be.
Although we're not looking for a "Mr/Ms Charming" to lead the nation, it would be a very foolish move to put such a bigoted big-head at the controls so sorry Winston, you and NZ First are also out of the running.

Now I had considered voting for the Internet/Mana party but I just can't. Just as I won't vote for NZ First due to its politics of race, nor can I vote for Internet/Mana for the same reasons. Hone plays the race card far too often to be credible. We don't need sob-stories and bitching about how hard-done-by his people are. We need positive action to improve the lot of *all* NZers, regardless of their colour, race, ethnicity or where they live.

Now what about the Conservatives?
Well set aside the fact that their leader is just plain scary to look at and you're left with the fact that the guy seems to only have one oar in the water, even at the best of times. It would be very hard for NZ to be taken seriously in the global community with someone like this in charge. Sure, some of the policy statements are great and fit well into what I consider important. A $20K tax-free threshold to help the poor and encourage self-reliance, binding referenda, a unified set of laws, increased accountability within government, etc... but this guy is just a nutter and his wacko personal beliefs just scuttle it for me.
United Future? Well if I wanted a flag with thick grey hair that fluttered in the breeze and bowed to the slightest pressure then I'd vote for this party -- but let's face it, nobody really wants a sycophantic, self-serving army of Peter Dunnes now, do they?

What about the Maori Party?
Well to be absolutely honest (and I am *not* kidding), right up until they supported National's sale of state-owned power assets, the Maori party was well in the running for my vote. However, it now seems that I'm far from alone in considering them utterly treacherous, having betrayed their people and all the people of NZ who voted against those sales in the referendum. Sorry guys -- you're gone by lunchtime, a victim of your own greed and "hold on to power at any cost" attitude.

Well that really only leaves one part in the running for my vote -- and that's the Greens.
Hell, I'm no treehugging, dope smoking, save the whales, Prius-driving, lead-free, protect the planet, aged hippy ambling around in a sweaty hemp teeshirt and sandals, and to be totally honest it's pretty obvious that a lot of their economic policies would be devastating in their effect on this country -- but then again, so would: the TPPA, selling our assets to the highest overseas bidder, playing lap-dog to the US government, and most of the things that the present government has been doing -- so what's to lose?
At least, once our economy is finally shot to hell and we finish our descent to third-world status, we'll be subsistence-living in a country that still has a sustainable environment and if things get really bad I could try drowning my sorrows in a haze of MJ smoke.
So there you go... The Greens get my vote -- but only because they are the least bad of a rotten lot.
How about you... which way will you be casting your secret ballot?

[MisterD]

I'm slightly worried...A left leaning voter in a national held electorate,and John Key's office keeps sending me electioneering bumf adressed to me personally.....Am i just paranoid ?

Any one else getting mail from the office of John Key ?

MrsD does. According to my Labour candidate friend (no names, no pack drill) most of the parties have software that predicts your likely vote based on age, profession etc etc and they use that to decide who to door-knock and send bumpf to.

My mate is categorised as a likely Nat voter on the Labour database though, so he wouldn't actually have bothered to knock on his own door in this campaign (if you see what I mean) :weird:

[gjm]

SPMan's quote sums it up.

Vote for the least bad, because there isn't a best.

[mashman]

Vote for the least bad, because there isn't a best.

:killingme and get more of the same. Genius :shifty:

[oldrider]

SPMan's quote sums it up.

Vote for the least bad, because there isn't a best.

Taking SPMan's advice then:

Least of the all bad is IMHO "National" ... for me that would be negative voting!

If I followed Labours advice and vote positive ... I will vote for "Democrats for social credit"!

Why? ... They are the only party offering a New Zealand solution to what I believe is the biggest problem currently facing the world ... "financial control"

Not familiar with their Policies? ... Easy simply click here: http://www.democrats.org.nz/Policy/tabid/70/Default.aspx#.VBuJt1eTCVo

[gjm]

:killingme and get more of the same. Genius :shifty:

How'd you work that out? That suggests voting National, which would be closer to voting for the most bad!
They are most definitely not getting my vote.

[scrivy]

Why is it that even 1 day out from voting, I can't find anywhere any mention of any of the parties policies so I can compare them to make an educated decision??? Is it a conspiracy??? :scratch:

[mashman]

How'd you work that out? That suggests voting National, which would be closer to voting for the most bad!
They are most definitely not getting my vote.

Because irrespective of the colour of flag that the good ship NZ sails under, fuck all changes. lol, so my non vote is considered to be a vote for national irrespective of the fact that I won't vote for any of them?

[mashman]

Why is it that even 1 day out from voting, I can't find anywhere any mention of any of the parties policies so I can compare them to make an educated decision??? Is it a conspiracy??? :scratch:

Nah... do yourself a favour, as I did recently, go and have a look at the policies for the main 3. I'm pretty damned sure you'll laugh, not just at the policies, but once you realise that there's nothing new in there and that the same policies are renamed, the terminology is changed, but the outcomes remain the same. Then again, the opposite may be true for you and you may cry, or perhaps sob slightly, or maybe even take to the streets in a drug fueled rage. If it's the latter lemme know and I'll film it so that you have an income when ya leave the big house.

[scrivy]

Then again, the opposite may be true for you and you may cry, or perhaps sob slightly, or maybe even take to the streets in a drug fueled rage. If it's the latter lemme know and I'll film it so that you have an income when ya leave the big house.

Why is there not a massive article on the MSM about your choices?? How the hell are people supposed to make an educated vote?? I bet 90% of the population would have no idea the different polices of the different parties. And they want us to vote???

Filming eh?? Will there be goats involved??:scratch:

[mashman]

Why is there not a massive article on the MSM about your choices?? How the hell are people supposed to make an educated vote?? I bet 90% of the population would have no idea the different polices of the different parties. And they want us to vote???

Filming eh?? Will there be goats involved??:scratch:

Like I said, there's nothing new to inform the people of :laugh:

For you, anything.

[gjm]

The last thing the parties want is an informed electorate! That might mean the public at large finally see through the lack of policy policies on offer.

[bogan]

Yeh that is a good summation you quoted there SPMan.

I'm considering going with a single issue party, weed or ban1080, just for the refreshing transparency.

[Banditbandit]

Why is there not a massive article on the MSM about your choices?? How the hell are people supposed to make an educated vote?? I bet 90% of the population would have no idea the different polices of the different parties. And they want us to vote???

Filming eh?? Will there be goats involved??:scratch:

'Cause politicians want to appeal to your emotions, not your intellect ... basic rule of Goebell's propaganda ...

Jeez .. given the bunch on KB would you appeal to a non-existent intellect???

[Ocean1]

'Cause politicians want to appeal to your emotions, not your intellect ...

You give 'em far too much credit.

Fact is people make such decisions emotively, the only facts that come into it are used to justify a decision they've already made.

[oldrider]

Thank god it's Friday and tomorrow "part one" of all this election shit is done and dusted ... just the long wait while the scramble for office gets sorted by the pretenders!

MMP is so protracted and so disenfranchising for the voters ... from tomorrow it is all up to the politicians making promises to "each other" rather than their supporters!

[mashman]

Thank god it's Friday and tomorrow "part one" of all this election shit is done and dusted ... just the long wait while the scramble for office gets sorted by the pretenders!

MMP is so protracted and so disenfranchising for the voters ... from tomorrow it is all up to the politicians making promises to "each other" rather than their supporters!

That will change. I have no doubt. We should both be here to see it too :wari:

[Brian d marge]

I should start making some arrows .i can see me getting me tv real soon

[unstuck]

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[Laava]

Gunna go and exercise my perrogative in one of those little booths now.

[george formby]

Just been. Heartening to see a busy voting station.

[Oakie]

Hmmm. I guess, in theory, this thread should be deleted today as it asks people who they are votng for.

[Motu]

Just been for my morning walk...and figured out who I'm voting for now.

[Brian d marge]

Gunna go and exercise my perrogative in one of those little booths now.

Make sure u clean it up ....

Stephen

[bluninja]

I voted earlier in the week. Done the Facebook thing to encourage others to vote. Would be great for NZ to get 85% turnout for the election like Scotland did for the referendum. If you don't like the current democratic process then you have to work within the current system and vote.

Even though Scotland voted in favour of remaining within the union, the debate, and the "losing" voters have caused a significant shift in the political landscape of the United Kingdom that will be felt for generations to come. Only a non vote is a wasted vote.

[bogan]

I voted earlier in the week. Done the Facebook thing to encourage others to vote. Would be great for NZ to get 85% turnout for the election like Scotland did for the referendum. If you don't like the current democratic process then you have to work within the current system and vote.

Even though Scotland voted in favour of remaining within the union, the debate, and the "losing" voters have caused a significant shift in the political landscape of the United Kingdom that will be felt for generations to come. Only a non vote is a wasted vote.

On the other hand, dirty election with fuck all voting issues resulting in lowest voter turn out ever would send a message too.

[ellipsis]

Just been for my morning walk...and figured out who I'm voting for now.


...I was still undecided as to who were the lesser bunch of cunts up until mid morning...it was a conversation regards that with my son, (first election) that made up my mind. It was down to his guidance and views that changed my, not very well made up, mind...he was also on his phone to young eligible to vote mates of his, cajoling them to get out and do it...not voting is like watching rust develop in the car you love, and doing fuck all about it, in my opinion...

[Laava]

.....not voting is like watching rust develop in the car you love, and doing fuck all about it, in my opinion...
Naughty naughty Ellipsis...

Trap set and baited. Waiting now for inevitable vitriolic diatribe....

[Berries]

Would be great for NZ to get 85% turnout for the election like Scotland did for the referendum.
Highly unlikely. In Scotland a Yes vote would have made massive changes for the whole country, it would have affected everyone so no wonder it had a high turnout. The issue has been bubbling away for hundreds of years and actually meant something.

No matter who wins here today there will be sod all difference come Monday. It is not like any party will actually change anything fundamental. I can't think of any differences in my life between this lot or the previous lot that aren't of my own doing so frankly cannot be bothered with the whole circus.


Only a non vote is a wasted vote.
In the Scottish context I would agree with you because it was either yes or no with direct consequences. In New Zealand though I would have to sum up that t-shirt slogan with a simple meh, non voters don't care.

[Berries]

Trap set and baited. Waiting now for inevitable vitriolic diatribe....
Hardly, the analogy makes no sense whatsoever. If my car was going rusty I would fix it. If I thought the country was going rusty and that by voting in someone else they would remove that rust I would vote for them.

It all boils down to whether you think the country is rusty or not and whether there are any panel beaters out there who are going to cut it out and fix it properly. Or are they just going to stuff a bit of bog in there so it looks good for about three years?

[Motu]

On the other hand, dirty election with fuck all voting issues resulting in lowest voter turn out ever would send a message too.


This is what Slater and his cronies were working on last election, and got the lowest turnout in decades. Low turnout favours the right, creating apathy is a tactic - don't fall for it.

[bogan]

This is what Slater and his cronies were working on last election, and got the lowest turnout in decades. Low turnout favours the right, creating apathy is a tactic - don't fall for it.

So, to thwart the right's tactic of convincing me not to vote, you're saying I should go and vote for them?

[haydes55]

Hardly, the analogy makes no sense whatsoever. If my car was going rusty I would fix it. If I thought the country was going rusty and that by voting in someone else they would remove that rust I would vote for them.



It all boils down to whether you think the country is rusty or not and whether there are any panel beaters out there who are going to cut it out and fix it properly. Or are they just going to stuff a bit of bog in there so it looks good for about three years?


Exactly the problem, there's no panel beaters to vote in.

[puddytat]

So, to thwart the right's tactic of convincing me not to vote, you're saying I should go and vote for them?

no you muppet, the Greens.

[bogan]

no you muppet, the Greens.

:bleh: but the greens are hardly right wing :confused:

[Ocean1]

:bleh: but the greens are hardly right wing :confused:

On traditional metrics ACT is the only right-of-centre party in NZ.

The fact that they want less government is a bonus.

[oldrider]

So come seven o'clock tonight we will have had an election but even after the results are known you still will not know who the government is going to be FFS! :weird:

And even after the government has been decided, it won't be a decision made by the voters, it will be made "by politicians for politicians", not you or me! :no:

Unless there is a clear cut majority tonight it will be a joke that nobody will ever want to laugh at! :nono:

Can't say it enough ... MMP is a sad sick joke! :sick:

[Brian d marge]

So come seven o'clock tonight we will have had an election but even after the results are known you still will not know who the government is going to be FFS! :weird:

And even after the government has been decided, it won't be a decision made by the voters, it will be made "by politicians for politicians", not you or me! :no:

Unless there is a clear cut majority tonight it will be a joke that nobody will ever want to laugh at! :nono:

Can't say it enough ... MMP is a sad sick joke! :sick:

301163

I voted for independence.......

Stephen

[Motu]

And even after the government has been decided, it won't be a decision made by the voters, it will be made "by politicians for politicians", not you or me! :no:

The Governor General has the last say - if Kim wears a funny hat Jerry might put his foot down, but otherwise he'll go with whatever they want.

[Virago]

...Can't say it enough ... MMP is a sad sick joke! :sick:

Yup.

FPP placed ALL the power in the hands of the top polling party.

MMP has gone the opposite way, creating "king maker" power in the hands of low polling parties - a situation exploited by some.

We need another change - STV seems the best option.

[R650R]

Anyone else accosted while out and about on election day?

Family member and her friend were out in palmy area for day, stopped in at supermarket. Some random stranger strikes up conversation about who are you voting for etc...
When friend replied voting for X the stranger got all feral and accused the two of them of being 'rich pricks' which neither of them are and were dressed very casual due to wet weather etc.
Anyway the feral stranger who we'd assume is poverty striken had a very professional expensive haircut style with expensive dye/highlights etc...maybe she won some money on the pokies...
First I've heard of anything like this, people are getting all serious about politics in NZ!

[oldrider]

TV tonight is absolute boring crap ... election coverage is worse than watching paint dry sheeesh! :rolleyes:

Every other station is crappier still ... they must do some sort of deal to try and force you to look and listen to their biased opinionated bullshit! :argh:


Yup.We need another change - STV seems the best option.

Yes! STV was my preference too ... it puts the accountability back between the politician and the voters rather than politicians to each other!

[Brian d marge]

At least u can flick over to the other channel and watch the elections in the ukraine . . Much more interesting

[mashman]

TV tonight is absolute boring crap ... election coverage is worse than watching paint dry sheeesh! :rolleyes:

Every other station is crappier still ... they must do some sort of deal to try and force you to look and listen to their biased opinionated bullshit! :argh:


Thank heavens for coronation street and the internet.

[Brian d marge]

Thank heavens for coronation street and the internet.
Coro isnt the same since stan went

[mashman]

Coro isnt the same since stan went

Who the fuck was stan? Actually no, let's leave me a coro virgin.

[Brian d marge]

Hildas husband a legend

[SPman]

A
First I've heard of anything like this, people are getting all serious about politics in NZ! It'd be about time they did, but, I wouldn't hold my breath.......you'll get the government you deserve........

[Oscar]

Goodbye Hone, goodbye Internet Mana..

[Berries]

Only a non vote is a wasted vote.
And a vote for Labour by all accounts.

[R650R]

It'd be about time they did, but, I wouldn't hold my breath.......you'll get the government you deserve........

I wouldn't say it in such a cliche manner.
Aunty Helen exported her support base to Aussie after all the years of annoying nanny state policies.
Now with labour crippled by that we have national steam rolling into a 50% mandate for another three years of dictatorship.
Looking at the results no real close results except for interweb mana so my abstaining has had no effect either on the sideshow.

So what does the result mean for bikers?
Still going to be ripped off by ACC...

[gjm]

So what does the result mean for bikers?

By being a biker, the government gets one more way to rip us off. They're not selective. They're out to get everybody. A $60bn+++ debt doesn't pay itself off, y'know.

Labour may be breathing a sigh of relief. They don't have to contend with a country that will be crippled by National's (un)economic borrowing policies.

[mashman]

Hildas husband a legend

Meh... I prefer comedy.

[Stylo]

How many elections is it now that Labour have gone short ?

Or is it someone else's fault they did so badly, again ?

[scrivy]

So......... does this make Kim Dump Cum the 'Biggest Loser'?

[oldrider]

Goodbye Hone, goodbye Internet Mana..

Best result possible under the circumstances ... fuck off Dot.com and abolish the Maori seats ... obviously they do not want them! :oi-grr:

[PrincessBandit]

Mike Hosking "and we're crossing to Hone Harawira, but he's speaking in Maori which most of us don't understand so we'll go back later" :facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

Meh... I prefer comedy.
Stan was pure gold

[Brian d marge]

Well thats the TPPA signed sealed and dusted then

we had better start looking under the sofa for any bits and bobs to flog off ,

and as for the pigg bank , well that wee beasty as been seen more abuse than ray rices wife


well done carry on ....

Stephen

[oldrider]

Mike Hosking "and we're crossing to Hone Harawira, but he's speaking in Maori which most of us don't understand so we'll go back later" :facepalm:

What an amazingly ignorant gaffe to make ... could/should/maybe it will cost him his job! :facepalm:

[mashman]

Stan was pure gold

Ach, I was enjoying Take The High Road.


What an amazingly ignorant gaffe to make ... could/should/maybe it will cost him his job! :facepalm:

With comments like that he could become a politician.

[PrincessBandit]

What an amazingly ignorant gaffe to make ... could/should/maybe it will cost him his job! :facepalm:

Even my son choked when he heard it! I'm sure there must be others who picked up on it though who will have more of a bone to pick with him over it than I. (Although son just told me it was Te Ururoa Flavell that was crossed over to who was speaking in te reo, not Hone)

[Woodman]

Mike Hosking "and we're crossing to Hone Harawira, but he's speaking in Maori which most of us don't understand so we'll go back later" :facepalm:

OMG, someone was realistic. Shame on him.

And good riddance KDC and your paranoid followers, and thankyou the non voters for helping the right team win...:niceone:

[Laava]

Mike Hosking "and we're crossing to Hone Harawira, but he's speaking in Maori which most of us don't understand so we'll go back later" :facepalm:

I didn't see that but it is hilarious and am looking forward to the fallout. Not sure it has landed jam side down yet seeing as it was Mike Hosking, the cheeky little honky!

[merv]

He was crossing to Flavell at the time not Hone.

[PrincessBandit]

He was crossing to Flavell at the time not Hone.

See post 929

[oldrider]

Even my son choked when he heard it! I'm sure there must be others who picked up on it though who will have more of a bone to pick with him over it than I. (Although son just told me it was Te Ururoa Flavell that was crossed over to who was speaking in te reo, not Hone)

Yes it was Te Ururoa Flavell and I for one was blown away by Hosking's ignorance as a broadcaster and as a New Zealander! :facepalm:

[Ocean1]

Yes it was Te Ururoa Flavell and I for one was blown away by Hosking's ignorance as a broadcaster and as a New Zealander! :facepalm:

Given that 90% of Kiwis would have exactly the same sentiment are you pissed that he thought it or that he said it?

[mashman]

Given that 90% of Kiwis would have exactly the same sentiment are you pissed that he thought it or that he said it?

I'll tag on... or that he forgot that some of his viewers speak Te Reo.

[Woodman]

Given that 90% of Kiwis would have exactly the same sentiment are you pissed that he thought it or that he said it?

Exactly. What Hoskins said is a fact or are some people that friggen PCfuckedinthehead that they can't even recognise reality any more.

Sheeeesh.. winds me up.

[Swoop]

Hosking's ignorance as a broadcaster and as a New Zealander! :facepalm:

TVNZ?
Who watches that crap? Bullshit broadcasting personified.

[yokel]

Exactly. What Hoskins said is a fact or are some people that friggen PCfuckedinthehead that they can't even recognise reality any more.

Sheeeesh.. winds me up.

+1

If facts unset you then shut your mouth hole

[oldrider]

Given that 90% of Kiwis would have exactly the same sentiment are you pissed that he thought it or that he said it?

It was politically and professionally naive of him .. a boxer who left himself as open as that would deserve to be knocked out .. game over! . :weird:

[Woodman]

It was politically and professionally naive of him .. a boxer who left himself as open as that would deserve to be knocked out .. game over! . :weird:

Politicallly???? Hoskins is the media, not a politician.

[Brian d marge]

Missing the point in 3.2 .1 . . . . .

[oldrider]

Politicallly???? Hoskins is the media, not a politician.

Are we not "all" politicians by default? :mellow:

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