Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[Kiwi Graham]

To drive or ride anymore :facepalm:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/63594064/Police-getting-tougher-on-speed-tolerance

[breakaway]

"The faster you go, the worse your injuries will be. In 2012-13, ACC received around 85 road injury claims a day over summer, that's 85 families impacted, a total of 7500 people hurt on our roads and a huge cost to New Zealanders."

Cool -- then why just stop there? Why not reduce all limits to 80? That should cut down on crashes. Maybe 60? How about 30? Actually, just stay at home!

[BlackSheepLogic]

I use a GPS to read the speed as the clock on the bike is way off. In nearly all cases the clock will be optimistic where a 100Km/h is at best 95KM/h actual.


To drive or ride anymore :facepalm:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/63594064/Police-getting-tougher-on-speed-tolerance

[bogan]

Well fuck, now they're never going to get the time to find my laptop :rolleyes:

[Gremlin]

Blind guy should have seen this coming... fuck it's irritating.

Currently looking for a van, ute had cruise control... van won't. Top of the accessory list is fitting an aftermarket cruise control. Just not worth the risk otherwise... I use it most of the time I'm not in traffic as I don't drive enough to detect small changes...

[buggerit]

To drive or ride anymore :facepalm:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/63594064/Police-getting-tougher-on-speed-tolerance

Radar is accurate within 4kmh if cop is moving and 2.5kmh if not so I dont see how they can enforce 100kmh exactly.

[willytheekid]

305951...you have been warned! :laugh:

FUCK...THEM!:angry:

NZ mechanical standards LAW, clearly states that speedo's must be accurate within a 10% margin...and allowances MUST be made for this fact & LAW!

...currently, if you disbute the ticket for a BULLSHIT! amount over the speed limit...you can ONLY go to a police approved "Speedo Testin facility"(...of which there are only THREE in the country!)...and the cost to prove your speedo was out...is over $300!!, so this actually means that the tickets cannot be legally defended in court by the average motorist....which every Kiwi has A RIGHT! to do so.

This is a BLATANT scam by the Govt & police to generate more "unqustionable" revenue from the avergae road user...NOTHING MORE!!!(Move the goal posts much??)

Again, they have twisted the figures to met there own greedy agenda.

REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE TICKET!!...you have the RIGHT to defend yourself in court, make them post the ticket and clearly state, "I will be disbuting this ticket officer, as this has NOTHING to do with roadsafety, and you have limited my means to defend myself...see you in court!"

If EVERYONE!!!!, does this, the courts will be crippled by the influx of case's...the cost's will soar, more and more police will be held up in court, and the whole BS scheme will have to be scrapped as it will cost MORE to collect the fines, than the revenue created!....fight back!!, use there own Bullshit systems against them.

enough is enough!, we are NOT an endless source of revenue for this Greedy Govt...FIGHT FUCKING BACK!!


REFUSE THE TICKETS!!

NZ Police...whom do you serve??, the PEOPLE of NZ?...or just those in power or Rich enough to afford "NZ justice"! (But by all means, keep pushing!...No seriously!...just keep fucking pushing us!!...theres only 18k of you!...best you lot don't forget THAT! fucking figure:shifty:...you tax collectiing sellouts!:motu:)



Have a great Xmas NZ...don't forget to bring your ID & Wallets!<_<


ps-I Have always had the greatest respect for the police and the difficult job they do(And I have taken MANY a beating backing there arse up when I ran Bars etc all over NZ)...but recently, the force seems to have changed for the worse!...more & more young, tattooed up, angry, violent, short tempered power tripping thugs! seem to be joining the force (And are encouraged to do so..."to dumb to pass the math test?...HELL!, best we lower it then, we don't need "intellectuals" anyway...just THUGS!")....well Im over it!, they wanna alienate themselves from the average Kiwi by treating us as ignorant fools who can't see BULLSHIT & BLATANT revenue collection when its put in front of us...fine!, ITS THERE LOSS!

- you reap what you sow!<_< (And all there planting lately...is discontempt!)


-RANT OFFICALLY OVER :D

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/63594064/police-getting-tougher-on-speed-tolerance.html

"tolerance"

Right everyone ditch the numberplates, stop paying registration, lets start looting the gun shops.

Lets Bring Ferguson, MO to NZ.

h2YgZX9Thm0

[Ender EnZed]

What about the repost police?

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm pretty sure someone tried saying the ticket for the 4km/h tolerance wasn't worth much so couldn't be for $$$

...in respects to the 4km/h tolerance

The tickets totalled more than $6 million in fines, an increase of about $5m from the previous years.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What about the repost police?

Are you they?

Perhaps you need a waaaaaaaaaaaambulance instead of the po-lice

[Banditbandit]

What other forms of breaking the law have a tolerance?? So TPTB are getting tough ... either don't break the law or don't whinge when you get caught ...

(I think I might have got caught this morning, but I'll need to wait three weeks before I get the potential speed camera ticket ... bugger, I've already paid one this month.)

[R650R]

I'm pretty sure someone tried saying the ticket for the 4km/h tolerance wasn't worth much so couldn't be for $$$

...in respects to the 4km/h tolerance

The argument for revenue gathering by the highway patrol falls flat even taking into account bigger tickets due to the operating costs of cop salary, patrol car etc and the small amount of tickets issued per hour.

But for speed cameras, yes revenue gathering can be profitable.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What other forms of breaking the law have a tolerance?? So TPTB are getting tough ... either don't break the law or don't whinge when you get caught ...

(I think I might have got caught this morning, but I'll need to wait three weeks before I get the potential speed camera ticket ... bugger, I've already paid one this month.)

one of my staff is just doing a limited licence application for someone who went over the jackpot for demerits. Bit of a faff but an easy enough couple of k :)

[Scuba_Steve]

The argument for revenue gathering by the highway patrol falls flat even taking into account bigger tickets due to the operating costs of cop salary, patrol car etc and the small amount of tickets issued per hour.

But for speed cameras, yes revenue gathering can be profitable.

But not really cause the popo is a fixed operating cost which would be paid regardless of what he does only this way the Govt makes $$$ lots of easy $$$
Course too they are steadily increasing automated scammers so I wouldn't expect those human ones to be too abundant in a few years

[carbonhed]

What other forms of breaking the law have a tolerance??

Leaking confidential reports?

[R650R]

I don't mind a bit of speed enforcement and accept we must play to the 'rules of the game' or pay the appropriate fee for an extra level of freedom. Really that's all tickets are (apart from the demerits if issued by real cop), an upgrade, supersize your level of fun to the fastlane, and lots of time just like the buses your cruising for 'free' as they cant catch everyone....

But I'd like to blow the pathetic propaganda around the lower limit right out of the water.
Now they say they ticketed more than five times the amount of people last time they did this compared to the same window the previous year. From the numbers given we can estimate they caught an extra 160,000-170,000 people speeding between 4-10km/h over the limit.
Now during that period 22 less people died and as usual they are claiming all the credit for that but we sure as hell know when the holiday road toll goes up (which it does randomly from time to time) they sure as hell don't take the blame for it.
Now lets use the lesser number to be on the safe side and go back to that previous 'deadly' summer where the 22 more people died and assume the 160,000 low speed offenders ticketed the next year were speeders back then too.
Those that died represent 0.01% of those 160,000 speeders.

Now if you were to walk in the door at LTSA and say there's a road sign if we change the colour of... or if we were to make brembo brake calipers required by law it would save not 10%, not 1% but only 0.01% of road deaths they would laugh you out the door!!!

This low limit is also wrong as it says its at officer discretion. Eg if your having a good day or got some this morning and are happy and willing to give the cop a verbal blowjob at the roadside you will be let off.
But should you exercise your right to free speech that our soldiers died for then your getting a ticket based on that or any of the officers other prejudices.

A low speed ticket is really a ticket for failing to pay attention and see the cop car or camera etc.
Now if they turned it around and had hidden potential roadside hazards with a code number to text to enter a competition that might get people involved and 'looking' for hazards ahead.
Eg at the bottom of a fast hill, blind corner have a card board cutout of sheep truck about to pull out driveway. Now speeder wont see the code but someone driving at proper speed would have time to read the code and see its part of the promo and not an advertising sign etc....

[mada]

Nek minute Police hand out fines for those doing under speed limit and "holding up traffic" - quite likely given many speedo's are slightly out and under the limit on many cars.

Don't worry though, there will be some tolerance - tolerance for the mufty cops who tail gate up your ass to incite you speed.:laugh:

[R650R]

But not really cause the popo is a fixed operating cost which would be paid regardless of what he does only this way the Govt makes $$$ lots of easy $$$
Course too they are steadily increasing automated scammers so I wouldn't expect those human ones to be too abundant in a few years

A fixed operating cost yeas but as part of that business unit. Run the salary, the cost and devaluation of a new holden sv6 and all the gear every three years at so. Then there's the non revenue earning events like teaching the school kids how to cross the roads, sitting for ages at places where there is no offending but someone has complained about others driving, hours at crash scenes where offenders get minimal fines, hours at drink drive checkpoints where the unemployed rack up fines they don't pay etc....
I don't do anything less than $150 per hour for my photo business just to cover costs and staying alive. I cant see the highway patrol averaging that with the fuel burn on those wagons plus all the downtime.
They often have checkpoints outside my house, the amount of time it takes them to issue tickets is huge and usually to losers who look like they wont pay anyway...

[BlackSheepLogic]

NZ mechanical standards LAW, clearly states that speedo's must be accurate within a 10% margin...and allowances MUST be made for this fact & LAW!

Well the clock on my bike reads ~20 high so there's no way I'm going to have it officially tested.


if you disbute the ticket for a BULLSHIT! amount over the speed limit...you can ONLY go to a police approved "Speedo Testin facility"(...of which there are only THREE in the country!)...and the cost to prove your speedo was out...is over $300!!

In some countries it's not OK to read a little low therefore the car manufactures make sure they don't. if you go to the trouble of contesting this you are unlikely to find your clock was reading low, so thats $300 + the cost of the ticket. If found to be out by more than 10% I assume there's going to be some additional inconvenience associated with that finding as well.


REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE TICKET!!...you have the RIGHT to defend yourself in court, make them post the ticket and clearly state, "I will be disbuting this ticket officer, as this has NOTHING to do with roadsafety, and you have limited my means to defend myself...see you in court!"

You could but I think our court system is biased against bikers who allegedly speed- IMHO.


enough is enough!, we are NOT an endless source of revenue for this Greedy Govt...

I'm pretty sure we are, it's kind of part & parcel of being governed.


NZ Police...whom do you serve??, the PEOPLE of NZ?...or just those in power or Rich enough to afford "NZ justice"!

Is that a rhetorical question? I mean seriously - had a bike license long?


Have a great Xmas NZ...don't forget to bring your ID & Wallets!

Never leave home without it.

[R650R]

Who ya gonna call when the speed triple goes walkabout...????

[Scuba_Steve]

... An NZer got it bad cause I drive
& not walk around so the police think
they have the authority to ticket the majority
but fuck that cause I aint the one
for a punk mutherfucker with a badge & a gun
to be scamming on & thrown a ticket

[The End]

Just try and make sure you are following behind someone else as much as possible so they get the ticket and not you. What I found though with the 5km tolerance people would drive at 45km/hr in town so now lots of people will be doing 40. This brings to an end of any hope of 110km/hr on the open road.

The only problem with that is 9 times out of 10 I'd bet that the copper would still go after the bike.... Sure he may ping the CAR doing 110 in a 100 area, but if the bike is keeping up with the car's pace, he'll chase down the bike as the bike is more likely to be in an accident (or so their statistics say...) :spanking:

[EJK]

Remember you'll get fined only if you get caught :innocent:

[R650R]

... An NZer got it bad cause I drive
& not walk around so the police think
they have the authority to ticket the majority
but fuck that cause I aint the one
for a punk mutherfucker with a badge & a gun
to be scamming on & thrown a ticket



Who ya gonna call when the speed triple goes walkabout...????

The above two posts make no sense to everyone... as they have just been moved from henrys naughty deleted thread in other section.... seems weird just to bring two posts over....

[Gremlin]

The above two posts make no sense to everyone... as they have just been moved from henrys naughty deleted thread in other section.... seems weird just to bring two posts over....
No thread deleted. 2 threads on the same topic merged.

[rastuscat]

This is a BLATANT scam by the Govt & police to generate more "unqustionable" revenue from the avergae road user...NOTHING MORE!!!(Move the goal posts much??)

The only extra tickets generated are $30.

It costs $26 to issue, process and prosecute a ticket, on average.

So the $4 the gubbermint makes is sure going to rake the dosh in.

Nah, if it was about dosh we'd be out writing tickets for not indicating, and following too close. Easy pickings.

[imdying]

Didn't bother me last time, won't bother me this time. Indicated 45 in town, 90 on the open road. That way I'm safe from any inaccuracy anywhere :yes:

Safer communities together :Police:

[Scuba_Steve]

The only extra tickets generated are $30.

It costs $26 to issue, process and prosecute a ticket, on average.

So the $4 the gubbermint makes is sure going to rake the dosh in.

If it was about safety we'd be out writing tickets for not indicating, and following too close. Easy pickings.

But don't the police budget cover the "issuing cost" whereas the 30$ goes to the Govt "slush fund"... Yes "the police budget comes from the Govt" etc etc but in accounting world things are all weird & fucked up & so the 30$ is 30$ profit for the Govt

Also fixed that for you :msn-wink:

[rastuscat]

But don't the police budget cover the "issuing cost" whereas the 30$ goes to the Govt "slush fund"... Yes "the police budget comes from the Govt" etc etc but in accounting world things are all weird & fucked up & so the 30$ is 30$ profit for the Govt

Also fixed that for you :msn-wink:

Chur Skoober.

Yes, the revenue flows like that.

It means that the ones issuing the tickets don't get the dosh, and don't actually give a toss about it. That's why we get cheesed about the constant badgering on revenue collecting.

I'm sure someone in Treasury is happy to see the fines roll in, but it means zip to us.

Interesting, but I actually give a shit. Any tickets I write are because I believe they help to change behaviours that contribute to crashes, or make worse the crashes that happen.

Just sayin.

[haydes55]

If a cop tries to ticket me, I'm going to be an asshole about it.



No officer, I wasn't speeding. I know for a fact I was well below the speed limit, I was watching my speedo. You must have aimed your radar at my wheel, which accounts for 50% of the front of my vehicle, which will display incorrect speeds.



Prove otherwise fuckwit.

[Tazz]

Pfft, stopping is option now anyway haven't you heard.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2014/11/27/erin-pkg-moos-police-chases-bikers-in-la.cnn&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2Fvide o%2Fdata%2F2.0%2Fvideo%2Fus%2F2014%2F11%2F27%2Feri n-pkg-moos-police-chases-bikers-in-la.cnn.html


Nek minute Police hand out fines for those doing under speed limit and "holding up traffic" - quite likely given many speedo's are slightly out and under the limit on many cars.

Don't worry though, there will be some tolerance - tolerance for the mufty cops who tail gate up your ass to incite you speed.:laugh:

haha, yeah bit contradictory stance/policy? wise :laugh:

I guess it comes down to they have to be seen doing 'something' to improve road safety no matter how good it gets and no matter how thick people are.

[buggerit]

Chur Skoober.

Yes, the revenue flows like that.

It means that the ones issuing the tickets don't get the dosh, and don't actually give a toss about it. That's why we get cheesed about the constant badgering on revenue collecting.

I'm sure someone in Treasury is happy to see the fines roll in, but it means zip to us.

Interesting, but I actually give a shit. Any tickets I write are because I believe they help to change behaviours that contribute to crashes, or make worse the crashes that happen.

Just sayin.

It appears you guys are the meat in the sandwich again, for no good reason other than politics and shifting money from the Police
budget back to the consolidated fund by trying to have you enforce a farce and reducing your time for other road policing
that is not as "giving".
Im sure it will be no different this year to last year, and we will see just sensable policing no matter what the pollies want.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Nah, if it was about dosh we'd be out writing tickets for not indicating, and following too close. Easy pickings.

My view, to (mis)quote Lord Denning, is that the mischief generated by both of those two things (and red light running) FAR exceeds the mischief of "speeding", and that is what you should be ticketing drivers for. Because both of those things are insanely dangerous. speeding is not, inherently.

Personally I dont even believe in the concept of speeding, except in the Einsteinian, relativistic sense.

[willytheekid]

The only extra tickets generated are $30.

It costs $26 to issue, process and prosecute a ticket, on average.

So the $4 the gubbermint makes is sure going to rake the dosh in.

Nah, if it was about dosh we'd be out writing tickets for not indicating, and following too close. Easy pickings.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/63594064/police-getting-tougher-on-speed-tolerance.html

"Police operated a 4kmh tolerance last summer - from December 1 to January 31 - but still issued more than 200,000 tickets for people speeding between 1kmh and 10kmh over the limit.
That was more than five times the same period the previous year when there was no reduced tolerance, a police report into the Safer Summer campaign showed.
The tickets totalled more than $6 million in fines, an increase of about $5m from the previous years"

Seems like a pritty good earner:confused:


ps...its your excuse's that are getting colourful mate :laugh:



:corn:

[R650R]

No thread deleted. 2 threads on the same topic merged.

My bad, just noticed the technical peculiarity of how it staggers the mix based on post time... interesting.

[Gremlin]

The tickets totalled more than $6 million in fines, an increase of about $5m from the previous years"

Seems like a pritty good earner:confused:
A good earner for the government. What the police don't really educate the public about (excluding the poor cat typing to KB), is that issuing a ticket costs the police. The money generated from the fine goes to the government. If the police write out tickets costing $1m, then $1m has to be found from the police budget.

The whole reason behind lowering the tolerance is that it achieves aims within the Safe System approach they're adopting. While we all bitch and moan, the police aren't looking at specific individuals speeding. They look at the whole roading network, and these policies reduce the average speed across the network, which is exactly what the police are after. Under the Safe System, there are 4 aspects (vehicles, roads, speed and road users). It is accepted that accidents will occur, but by working within the 4 aspects, the result of each accident can be reduced. A safer vehicle will reduce the severity of an impact, exactly the same as a reduced impact speed (this includes say, an innocent oncoming vehicle doing 90kph instead of 100kph).

So, reduce the average speed across the roading network, and reduce the average severity of a given accident, potentially saving lives. The stats support the approach... so they're continuing with it.

20min vid from NZTA outlining the system
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/mFcLUCtUAzc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Moi]

... we'd be out writing tickets for ... following too close...

That would be good.

[R650R]

Because both of those things are insanely dangerous. speeding is not, inherently.


No. They may be insanely annoying but not dangerous compared to travelling at excessive speed. There is the potential for a vehicle following to close to hit the other and shunt it into oncoming traffic but this scenario is rare compared to your typical fail to give way at a junction etc.... And not indicating, well in NZ no one looks or cars who has right for way anyway, indicating is a mere formality of courtesy and other physical actions of the road user are more likely a better indicator of their trajectory.
Driving a truck you frequently get your safe following distance violated by someone overtaking you who then thinks the ritual of dancing on the brake pedal entitles them to some extra courtesy. Despite your best intentions you end up following to close. and then there are other situations when a tactical driving situation involves a slightly more purposely close following distance. In combination this scenario has happened for me thousands of times.
Number of times it resulted in a collision of any sort... ZERO.
I've been hit from behind twice on car and bike, both times had nothing to do with following distance, the other drivers just wasn't paying attention at all.

[R650R]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/63594064/police-getting-tougher-on-speed-tolerance.html

"Police operated a 4kmh tolerance last summer - from December 1 to January 31 - but still issued more than 200,000 tickets for people speeding between 1kmh and 10kmh over the limit.
That was more than five times the same period the previous year when there was no reduced tolerance, a police report into the Safer Summer campaign showed.
The tickets totalled more than $6 million in fines, an increase of about $5m from the previous years"

Seems like a pritty good earner:confused:


ps...its your excuse's that are getting colourful mate :laugh:



:corn:

A quick google of the police budget reveals just under 300 million dollars allocated for 'road safety programmes' eg writing tickets.
If it was about money they would invest that 300 million in the stock market, it would return a lot more than the ticket revenues....

[mossy1200]

That would be good.

+1
Every time cop pulls someone for 4k over its valuable time they could be looking for anus drivers being dangerous.
Sick of people following 5 metres behind and cutting me off to change lanes without warning.
Not really concerned about people driving 105 on a motorway.

[mashman]

It's revenue grabbin time (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25630597/police-to-target-all-speeding-in-summer/#) :shifty:

[unstuck]

Goody, more donuts left in the shops.:shifty:

[Mom]

So, we should keep our eyes on our speedos at all times to ensure we are under the posted limit? That is a great safety message to send a biker. Don't watch the road, watch your speedo so you don't go over the limit, which will no doubt be reading incorrectly. This is outrageous!

I reckon we should all just sell our bikes and walk... (sarcasm for those that missed it).

FFS! I wish I had a bit more time to devote to making some noise about this shit.

[98tls]

Thing is our roads have more than there share of dumb cunts on em so its money for jam.Coppers must at time have a chuckle over where and when some choose to speed.:facepalm:

[willytheekid]

some waffle about bubble wrap, and you poor people being a risk to the richfolk again, yadda yadda

oh and a 20min vid from NZTA outlining the system to remove most of you serv's off the roads...after milking you of course



:cry:...that was some of the most beautiful PC nancy bullshit I have ever seen :yes:

...thank you!

I just can't wait for the Govt and Police to make my ENTIRE life "safe"....do we get to pick what color bubble wrap we all get in the boring but "safe" future?



vehicles, roads, speed and road users eh <_<



Vehicles!...Soooo fucking sorry the majority of Kiwis are too poor to own the latest god damn range rover built out of Iridium carbide!

Roads!...yeah, fixing them and designing them properly could help alot aye, shame it took the pricks this long to notice!..and fire the prick with the ruler!

Speed!...That thing that kills!:shit:...even tho most fatal accidents happen below the posted speed limit?:confused:...so will they just keep pushing the speed limit down till we all walk!...with helmets!

Road users!...Ya know, we could just teach people to actually drive safely in the first place...instead of just giving them a basic test and wishing them luck as they learn the rest as they go<_<



I do actually like the goal of safer roads, just not the way they are going about it.:no:...speed isn't the biggest killer on our roads...substandard roading and poor driver skill sets are.


1k over?...common!, 4k limit was pushing it as far as driver and mechanical "standards" would reasonably allow...forcing road users to go 5k under or more?, "CHANGE YOUR HABITS DURING YOUR TIME OF REST NZ...OR PAY!"(Sure hope they explained it all to the tourists!:confused:...a campervan going 100kph + up the arse will bloody hurt while were fucking around trying to stay 5-10k under and hovering over our speedo's<_<)


ITS CALLED LIFE!...you can't take ALL the sharp pointy things away ffs:facepalm:



ps...loving the debate!...video's the lot!...friggin awesome! (ps...we all love our fellow Kber's...But were also allowed to rant, disagree and talk complete an utter shit!...while drinking...because KB!:D

[mada]

So, we should keep our eyes on our speedos at all times to ensure we are under the posted limit? That is a great safety message to send a biker. Don't watch the road, watch your speedo so you don't go over the limit, which will no doubt be reading incorrectly. This is outrageous!

I reckon we should all just sell our bikes and walk... (sarcasm for those that missed it).

FFS! I wish I had a bit more time to devote to making some noise about this shit.

PS. It's against the law and an offence punishable by infringement if you are going under the limit and holding up the traffic. :laugh::laugh:

WIN/WIN for $$$$

[haydes55]

Interesting stat. More pedestrians have died on roads this year than motorcyclists.... Are they walking too fast?

[98tls]

PS. It's against the law and an offence punishable by infringement if you are going under the limit and holding up the traffic. :laugh::laugh:

WIN/WIN for $$$$

Good point and fucking annoying,have never heard of anyone pulled for it sadly.

[AllanB]

Interesting stat. More pedestrians have died on roads this year than motorcyclists.... Are they walking too fast?

Raise the ACC on the cunts. ALL pedestrians should have to wear a number plate accross their arses and pay a suitable ACC heavy rego fee each year.

[BlackSheepLogic]

Interesting stat. More pedestrians have died on roads this year than motorcyclists.... Are they walking too fast?

More likely heard a loud pipe couple of clicks away and hauled ass across the road before that dangerous biker got any closer.

[AllanB]

The other thing is.

It would be a better worls IF NZ police took 'donations' - you know the old hand over your papers attached to a $50 .........

'Nothing to see here sir, have a nice day and please keep a eye on your speed'

'No problem officer, thanks for keeping the roads safe'

[R650R]

Good point and fucking annoying,have never heard of anyone pulled for it sadly.

I did in UK.
Had picked up the misses from her job at pub, driving home through a 30mph zone a car with its lights on full slowly catch up and tailgates us.
We get to 60mph zone I stay going slow to prompt what I think is a dodgy driver to overtake.
Neck minnit blue lights, cheeky bugger pulls me for going to slow and possible DUI.
Gave him serve up about lights to bright which he didn't deny, and passed the DUI check.
Then he ran away to station :)

[Swoop]

Tag: Runner season begins!

[Scuba_Steve]

Interesting, but I actually give a shit. Any tickets I write are because I believe they help to change behaviours that contribute to crashes, or make worse the crashes that happen.

Just sayin.

Why I have respect for you... That & the fact you'll actually answer questions rather than tow the company line of "Not saying cause I'm the Police"



A good earner for the government. What the police don't really educate the public about (excluding the poor cat typing to KB), is that issuing a ticket costs the police. The money generated from the fine goes to the government. If the police write out tickets costing $1m, then $1m has to be found from the police budget.

The whole reason behind lowering the tolerance is that it achieves aims within the Safe System approach they're adopting. While we all bitch and moan, the police aren't looking at specific individuals speeding. They look at the whole roading network, and these policies reduce the average speed across the network, which is exactly what the police are after. Under the Safe System, there are 4 aspects (vehicles, roads, speed and road users). It is accepted that accidents will occur, but by working within the 4 aspects, the result of each accident can be reduced. A safer vehicle will reduce the severity of an impact, exactly the same as a reduced impact speed (this includes say, an innocent oncoming vehicle doing 90kph instead of 100kph).

So, reduce the average speed across the roading network, and reduce the average severity of a given accident, potentially saving lives. The stats support the approach... so they're continuing with it.


So continuing to completely ignore the fact without the speed scam & even speed limits people would be less likely to crash & you can't have a fatal crash if you don't have a crash... sure there's the possibility that more of those crashes result in fatalities but if there's much less crashes overall we're still MUCH better off
And stats support the opposite approach more

And because this is another speed thread might as well reuse this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPD0EgbLnec

[haydes55]

Tag: Runner season begins!


Highest speed quoted in the newspaper wins.

Rules, you must not claim it was you doing those speeds on this forum (cough cough Shaun/MNZ debacle).

Bonus points wheel stands.

Lose all points for crash.

Double points if cop crashes in pursuit.

Let the games begin!

[98tls]

Highest speed quoted in the newspaper wins.

Rules, you must not claim it was you doing those speeds on this forum (cough cough Shaun/MNZ debacle).

Bonus points wheel stands.

Length of the Waitaki bridge followed by a long walk home.:facepalm:

[haydes55]

Length of the Waitaki bridge followed by a long walk home.:facepalm:


Allegedly of course.

[98tls]

Allegedly of course.

Na,made the papers.:laugh:

[Gremlin]

:cry:...that was some of the most beautiful PC nancy bullshit I have ever seen :yes:

...thank you!

:lol: I understand why they are doing it, and I think attitudes would shift slightly due to understanding. However, this doesn't mean I agree with it, and would encourage everyone to contest the 3kph over ticket type stuff. When the courts (which are already heavily loaded) are inundated and police staff are spending half their time in court, I think it would encourage the policy makers to think of another fancy idea...


Interesting stat. More pedestrians have died on roads this year than motorcyclists.... Are they walking too fast?
I think it's mostly because they insist on walking out in front of objects harder than themselves (like those tiny, hard to see buses).

[pete376403]

Raise the ACC on the cunts. ALL pedestrians should have to wear a number plate accross their arses and pay a suitable ACC heavy rego fee each year.

plus they must wear hi-viz

[FJRider]

\NZ mechanical standards LAW, clearly states that speedo's must be accurate within a 10% margin...and allowances MUST be made for this fact & LAW!

The Law also states it is the drivers responsibility to drive within the speed limits.


...currently, if you disbute the ticket for a BULLSHIT! amount over the speed limit...you can ONLY go to a police approved "Speedo Testin facility"(...of which there are only THREE in the country!)...and the cost to prove your speedo was out...is over $300!!, so this actually means that the tickets cannot be legally defended in court by the average motorist....which every Kiwi has A RIGHT! to do so.

I think you mean dispute ... but the reading you see on YOUR speedometer is irrelevant ...

The reading on their Hawk units is what the court gets to decide your guilt from ...

If YOU do NOT know the accuracy of the speedometer on your vehicles ... YOU are at fault. And a dickhead to boot ...

A faulty reading on your speedometer(s) is NO defense in a court of law.


This is a BLATANT scam by the Govt & police to generate more "unqustionable" revenue from the avergae road user...NOTHING MORE!!!(Move the goal posts much??)

A blatant rant from an average (read stupid) road user .. actually ...


Again, they have twisted the figures to met there own greedy agenda.

More ranting ...


REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE TICKET!!...you have the RIGHT to defend yourself in court, make them post the ticket and clearly state, "I will be disbuting this ticket officer, as this has NOTHING to do with roadsafety, and you have limited my means to defend myself...see you in court!"

You also have the (preferred) right to remain silent ... road safety or not ... speed limits are law. You know the rules and penalty's if you break them.

If you have "Limited means to defend yourself" ... stay innocent.


If EVERYONE!!!!, does this, the courts will be crippled by the influx of case's...the cost's will soar, more and more police will be held up in court, and the whole BS scheme will have to be scrapped as it will cost MORE to collect the fines, than the revenue created!....fight back!!, use there own Bullshit systems against them.

Almost right .... but wrong. It will just take (a lot) longer for your case to be heard. Costs WILL soar (including fines)

Enjoy your wait to get your "Time in Court"


enough is enough!, we are NOT an endless source of revenue for this Greedy Govt...

Keep breaking the posted speed limits ... and you WILL be ...


REFUSE THE TICKETS!!

No issue there ... they just MAIL them to you ... end result is the same ...


NZ Police...whom do you serve??

They are enforcing the law and keeping Public order. The rules aren't theirs ... talk to your MP about who makes the rules ...


Have a great Xmas NZ...don't forget to bring your ID & Wallets!<_<

Keep your speed down ... or you might not make it to (or past) Christmas. Carrying ID is a requirement in legislation. You CAN be "Detained in Custody" if you do not have sufficient proof of identity. And remain there until you CAN prove who you SAY you are ...

Your time ... your choice ...


... they wanna alienate themselves from the average Kiwi by treating us as ignorant fools who can't see BULLSHIT & BLATANT revenue collection when its put in front of us...fine!, ITS THERE LOSS!

Ever thought ... they might see more ignorant fools in their day ... than you know could ever exist .. ??? The Officers discretion to waive issuing infringement notices can be in your hands.

Remain silent and be thought a fool. Open it ... and ... !!!


- you reap what you sow!<_< (And all there planting lately...is discontempt!)

My advice ... install spell check. It makes your rants look more intelligent ... and makes you NOT look like an ignorant fool.

Ranting actual facts will (might) help .... Ignorant fools do often have a problem with that ....


-RANT OFFICALLY OVER :D

Appreciated ...

[Scuba_Steve]

The Law also states it is the drivers responsibility to drive within the speed limits.


And that all fines be ILLEGAL & VOID unless 1st convicted in a court of law... don't see that one being obeyed

[scumdog]

What a fukkin bunch of cry baby pussies on here.:lol:

Got my only speeding ticket in '87.

Unlikely to get another one.

How hard is it , eh?:bleh:

[oneofsix]

What a fukkin bunch of cry baby pussies on here.:lol:

Got my only speeding ticket in '87.

Unlikely to get another one.

How hard is it , eh?:bleh:

on a Harley it's harder to get a speeding ticket than to avoid one, isn't it? :innocent:

[mada]

What a fukkin bunch of cry baby pussies on here.:lol:

Got my only speeding ticket in '87.

Unlikely to get another one.

How hard is it , eh?:bleh:

A total 1244 speeding tickets were served to police vehicle drivers in 2012 and 2013. :laugh:

[FJRider]

And that all fines be ILLEGAL & VOID unless 1st convicted in a court of law... don't see that one being obeyed

Payment of any fines asked for is ADMISSION of GUILT. Then no court case required.

Don't pay the fine and have your "Day in Court" ... (that IS your RIGHT)


Everybodys "Free" choice ...

[rastuscat]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/63594064/police-getting-tougher-on-speed-tolerance.html

"Police operated a 4kmh tolerance last summer - from December 1 to January 31 - but still issued more than 200,000 tickets for people speeding between 1kmh and 10kmh over the limit.
That was more than five times the same period the previous year when there was no reduced tolerance, a police report into the Safer Summer campaign showed.
The tickets totalled more than $6 million in fines, an increase of about $5m from the previous years"

Seems like a pritty good earner:confused:


I wonder what proportion of those were speed camera tickets. Most, I suspect. Not too many of the troops really bought into it, but that'll change over time.

[IkieBikie]

I wonder what proportion of those were speed camera tickets. Most, I suspect. Not too many of the troops really bought into it, but that'll change over time.

JEEZ 2 POPOS ON AT THE SAME TIME? SHOULDNT YOU BE OUT GETTING REVENUE:laugh::laugh:

[oneofsix]

I wonder what proportion of those were speed camera tickets. Most, I suspect. Not too many of the troops really bought into it, but that'll change over time.

Troops will be busy on the booze buses this year, hence the beat up about the 0 tolerance to get the suckers to hold up the traffic. :laugh:

[Scuba_Steve]

Don't pay the fine and have your "Day in Court" ... (that IS your RIGHT)


I dare you to try that, let me know how it goes...

[FJRider]

A total 1244 speeding tickets were served to police vehicle drivers in 2012 and 2013. :laugh:

AND ... How many were then waived ... ???

Tell the full story or don't bother ...

[mossy1200]

I wonder what proportion of those were speed camera tickets. Most, I suspect. Not too many of the troops really bought into it, but that'll change over time.

Or packing tasers and standing guard by speed cameras to prevent them being destroyed.
Lets face it your being replaced by a machine that's cheaper to run and collects tax more efficiently.
Just to add insult you will end your days protecting the governments more valuable assets.

Just saying.

[FJRider]

I dare you to try that, let me know how it goes...

I currently have NO demerit points ... I dare YOU to try THAT ... let me know how YOU how it goes ... :killingme

[mossy1200]

Troops will be busy on the booze buses this year, hence the beat up about the 0 tolerance to get the suckers to hold up the traffic. :laugh:

Booze buses are part of the master plan. They make people late so that they speed and get camera fines. Works well in conjunction with a 4kph tolerance as even the most well behaved person whose late will stray 4kph and get taxed.

[scumdog]

Booze buses are part of the master plan. They make people late so that they speed and get camera fines. Works well in conjunction with a 4kph tolerance as even the most well behaved person whose late will stray 4kph and get taxed.


Nah, other way 'round.

People get ticked off going so slow and drink to calm themselves.

Then the booze-bus gets them!:banana:

[Akzle]

tolerance for the mufty cops who tail gate up your ass to incite you speed.:laugh:
109. then brake check.

Who ya gonna call when the speed triple goes walkabout...????
my grandmother, or the mongrel mob/ or y'know... fucken anyone really.


No officer, I wasn't speeding. I know for a fact I was well below the speed limit, I was watching my speedo. You must have aimed your radar at my wheel, which accounts for 50% of the front of my vehicle, which will display incorrect speeds.



Prove otherwise fuckwit.
and that's an excellent start. only you go one step further and deny them jurisdiction from the outset.

Pfft, stopping is option now anyway haven't you heard.

stopping is always optional.

Tag: Runner season begins!
fortunately, i've managed to get my average interaction with crown agents down to about 30 seconds... ending with THEM walking away.
i'm like fucking jesus.

I dare you to try that, let me know how it goes...
bad. because you admit jurisdiction, and you enter as a respondent, and three cops stand up and jack the judge off and you're left with the soggy biscuit.

[mossy1200]

Nah, other way 'round.

People get ticked off going so slow and drink to calm themselves.

Then the booze-bus gets them!:banana:

That's anti tax and silly talk. Repeat drink drivers end up in prison and cost 107k per year to keep inside PA plus they stop paying tax.
Now your sounding like an enemy of the state.

[Scuba_Steve]

I currently have NO demerit points ... I dare YOU to try THAT ... let me know how YOU how it goes ... :killingme

I'm pretty sure I've already told you...

And that all fines be ILLEGAL & VOID unless 1st convicted in a court of law... don't see that one being obeyed




bad. because you admit jurisdiction, and you enter as a respondent, and three cops stand up and jack the judge off and you're left with the soggy biscuit.
Never gets that far, they just commit theft

[awayatc]

I currently have NO demerit points ... I dare YOU to try THAT ... let me know how YOU how it goes ... :killingme

Let me know how it goes if you spend only half as much time riding as you do ranting on kb.......

[R650R]

Or packing tasers and standing guard by speed cameras to prevent them being destroyed.
Lets face it your being replaced by a machine that's cheaper to run and collects tax more efficiently.
Just to add insult you will end your days protecting the governments more valuable assets.

Just saying.

Actually talk about adding insult to injury, your phone in your pocket will be the new policeman.
You will be mandated by law to carry it and keep it fully charged otherwise you will be deemed a terrorist.
And it will automatically tap n go pay your fine on the spot, and all of them. No discretion like the cop has now of 'oh $600 worth of fines that's enough even though I can write more"....

[SNF]

Speed is so easy to patrol. Why not fine the derps who can't stay in a lane or maintain a constant speed? Or get in the fast lane but don't pass anything, don't look in mirrors, or even look properly before turning etc. These are the real problems. The last few accidents have been caused by idiocy. It still doesn't stop the tailgater driving into you. Speeding wont stop the blind fuck wit pulling out in front of you. Most of the crashes "speed" is involved in is often due to inattention, bad judgement and following distance. Faster you travel the more you need to observe. Can't be going 60 km/h and then expect to stop on a dime. without anticipating stuff. Eg - an intersection - you just don't go barelling along even if you have the right of way. In a perfect world yeah. But you have to anticipate that someone will not be looking. Let off throttle a little. speed drops to 55. move hand/foot towards brake, just a touch - 50 km/h.

Say the car keeps coming. Brake progressively. Clutch in at the end. You stop in time. And from 60 km/h! Speed did NOT kill. True story. Why did I not crash? Head in the game and anticipation. I was not fucking around with ifags and shit. I was on my bike which forced me to concentrate. I could have done the same thing in the car too.

Case in point for arguments sake a school zone, 40 km/h. Yeah that is fine, there are kids around they could run out. So you do 40 k's. A kid runs out. You stop. Person behind doesn't. Following distance. But no it was speed. Person behind didn't have the brain in the game. And you can see it. Everywhere.

I was riding today, speed limit as you do, checking surroundings intermittently. Car in front was going various speeds. I noticed a lot of hand movement. Stupid bitch was having an animated conversation with the passenger. 80% of the attention was focused on the conversation. Meantime the speed was all over the car was all over the road. This is the shit that causes accidents. Half don't even realize they are actually driving. And really they fucking well shouldn't be.

[Oblivion]

So when is the time when the police force and ADD actually get some competent thinkers as the heads of road policing and safety? Is it when all of these old buggers with shit for brains retire with jeans made of $100 notes?

The biggest cause of crashes is Lack of skill and distraction. 100-0 for most people taking into account reaction and time for braking to start is 102m. At 50kmph its 32m

Most people dont realise how bad being distracted is at any speed. Even at 50, being distracted for 1 second doubles your stoppping distance.

Kiwis are inherently poor at hazard detection because as part of the licence tests, it is never bought up. And so if something unexpected happens? Its a lot worse than it could be.

Seriously. This is why I disdain voting. Because everyone promises big shit and overhauls for this area, but all they do is keep adding bandaid after fucking bandaid.

So whens that promotion happening Rastus?

[willytheekid]

Let me know how it goes if you spend only half as much time riding as you do ranting on kb.......

...FJ!..RIDE??:killingme

[GrayWolf]

Or packing tasers and standing guard by speed cameras to prevent them being destroyed.
Lets face it your being replaced by a machine that's cheaper to run and collects tax more efficiently.
Just to add insult you will end your days protecting the governments more valuable assets.

Just saying.

Haha
have you seen the new one on the Wainui hill? It's just a stand at present... some 'Wainuiamartians' decided it didnt need the 'flash' unit, left it with some wires hanging out,, the whole thing had been removed last time I passed it.

[Kiwi Graham]

What is a real shame is if the police put as much time, effort and presence into working against crime as they do hounding motorists the stats may look a little different.

3 murders out in the streets last night in Auckland, where were the police? just guessing, in a car, tucked away with a speed camera in hand or listining to their speed detector.

Just and idea guys (police) get out of your bloody car and look after your community!

[unstuck]

What is a real shame is if the police put as much time, effort and presence into working against crime as they do hounding motorists the stats may look a little different.

3 murders out in the streets last night in Auckland, where were the police? just guessing, in a car, tucked away with a speed camera in hand or listining to their speed detector.

Just and idea guys (police) get out of your bloody car and look after your community!

So you are saying that a copper in each house in the country is the answer to lower crime?

[scumdog]

What is a real shame is if the police put as much time, effort and presence into working against crime as they do hounding motorists the stats may look a little different.

3 murders out in the streets last night in Auckland, where were the police? just guessing, in a car, tucked away with a speed camera in hand or listining to their speed detector.

Just and idea guys (police) get out of your bloody car and look after your community!

Are you as silly as you appear in that post?

Or just trolling....

[Kiwi Graham]

So you are saying that a copper in each house in the country is the answer to lower crime?

Nope, I'm saying a copper being visable on our community streets instead of hiding or crusing up and down our highways with a brief to ping motorists for a couple of K's is working towards an answer.

Have the police any idea how much respect they are loosing or have lost??
There are times they need the publics assistance in various areas of there work, what do you think the knock on effect of this current 'initiative' is going to do in encouraging the co-operation and assistance. I know the police aren't the brightest bunch of public sevants but it aint rocket science either!

[Kiwi Graham]

Are you as silly as you appear in that post?

Or just trolling....

SD I work with some of you guys I hear your banter and claims, what's silly is not recognising what your doing is harming.........what you do, or more to the point what the public want you to do, remember them? They are the people you 'signed up to serve' :facepalm:
Think about it for a moment and look at the bigger picture :wait:

[Scuba_Steve]

So you are saying that a copper in each house in the country is the answer to lower crime?

Na but working to make the police gang respected, ceasing their criminal activities, and having them on the "peoples" side as they're supposed to be rather than running Govt oppression would go a long way

[unstuck]

Sounds like there is a really BIG lack of personal responsibility going on out there. It is all the coppers fault. Ban humans. Stupid fucking creatures they are.

Beam me up scotty..........:rolleyes:

[BlackSheepLogic]

I wonder what proportion of those were speed camera tickets. Most, I suspect. Not too many of the troops really bought into it, but that'll change over time.

The officer patrolling a stretch of road will actually slow drivers/riders down to within the speed limit irrespective of whether a ticket or warning was given. A camera does nothing but collect revenue.

[Kiwi Graham]

Sounds like there is a really BIG lack of personal responsibility going on out there. It is all the coppers fault. Ban humans. Stupid fucking creatures they are.

Beam me up scotty..........:rolleyes:

Buddy, your human too or do you see youself as a higher being ffs
Its that sort of attitude thats got you in the position you're in now, when are you going to wake up and see whats happening in front of your own eyes :facepalm:

[Grubber]

Chur Skoober.

Yes, the revenue flows like that.

It means that the ones issuing the tickets don't get the dosh, and don't actually give a toss about it. That's why we get cheesed about the constant badgering on revenue collecting.

I'm sure someone in Treasury is happy to see the fines roll in, but it means zip to us.

Interesting, but I actually give a shit. Any tickets I write are because I believe they help to change behaviours that contribute to crashes, or make worse the crashes that happen.

Just sayin.

They not all like you brother.
I got a ticket on a deserted road in outback Mid Canterbury. Ticket was for 96 ks with a bike trailer on.
This was at 6.30am in the morning with not one other car on the road. Actually there was one, the cop car!
Where the hell is the justification with that one???:mad:

[unstuck]

Buddy, your human too or do you see youself as a higher being ffs
Its that sort of attitude thats got you in the position you're in now, when are you going to wake up and see whats happening in front of your own eyes :facepalm:

At least I KNOW I'm a fuckwit, and do not pretend otherwise. The position I am in at the moment is very good thank you.
You lot could do with a smack around the head with a soggy fish.:yes:

[imdying]

A faulty reading on your speedometer(s) is NO defense in a court of law.Wrong, used it myself.


Got my only speeding ticket in '87.

Unlikely to get another one.

How hard is it , eh?:bleh:A lot easier when you're a corrupt copper I assume?

[unstuck]

They not all like you brother.
I got a ticket on a deserted road in outback Mid Canterbury. Ticket was for 96 ks with a bike trailer on.
This was at 6.30am in the morning with not one other car on the road. Actually there was one, the cop car!
Where the hell is the justification with that one???:mad:

So, if I smoke a little weed, it's not really a crime, and I am not breaking the law? :msn-wink:

[scumdog]

A lot easier when you're a corrupt copper I assume?

I dunno...go and find one and ask them yourself.<_<

[Grubber]

So, if I smoke a little weed, it's not really a crime, and I am not breaking the law? :msn-wink:

Dont drink or smoke dope when I drive and I can see the difference between the 2 options. Can you? Im fully aware when I drive so im not going to drive off the road due to any impairment. Little different I would have thought. To me its not about whats legal in most cases, but what is practical. An example. We will allow our truck drivers to venture over the 90k speed limit. By a mere 3-4 ks. Why? Cause most road users get pissed if they plod along and hold them all up, which then creates a safety issue. Horses for coarses. This is all with the blessing of said police force.

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[unstuck]

Dont drink or smoke dope when I drive and I can see the difference between the 2 options. Can you? Im fully aware when I drive so im not going to drive off the road due to any impairment. Little different I would have thought. To me its not about whats legal in most cases, but what is practical. An example. We will allow our truck drivers to venture over the 90k speed limit. By a mere 3-4 ks. Why? Cause most road users get pissed if they plod along and hold them all up, which then creates a safety issue. Horses for coarses. This is all with the blessing of said police force.

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Never said anything about driving when impaired. The question was about only breaking the law a little bit. :yes:

[Grubber]

Never said anything about driving when impaired. The question was about only breaking the law a little bit. :yes:

Arguing semantics to be fair. I can tell the difference eay enough. Point- I can have a drink and drive agreed. But I will become unsafe if I have say 3. If I go 5 ks over speed limit I will be fine concidering posted limit is 100 and im doing 95 with trailer. If I was to go 120 then I naturally become unsafe. Make sense?? Untill you become 100% lawfull, I dont see how you can even argue this point

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[Grubber]

So, if I smoke a little weed, it's not really a crime, and I am not breaking the law? :msn-wink:

Im pretty sure you wont get thrown in jail if you smoke a little weed at home. Its called being lenient. Doesnt always happen out on the road.

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[unstuck]

Speed limit for towing trailer is? You broke the law, in your mind it was ok to do so, but you still broke the law. Same with me smoking a little weed(again, not talking about impaired driving here) I feel fine with smoking some weed, but I'm still breaking the law. :devil2:

[Banditbandit]

A lot easier when you're a corrupt copper I assume?

That's a completely inappropriate response ... Scummie may be a cop but that doesn't mean he's corrupt !!!

[Kiwi Graham]

Speed limit for towing trailer is? You broke the law, in your mind it was ok to do so, but you still broke the law. Same with me smoking a little weed(again, not talking about impaired driving here) I feel fine with smoking some weed, but I'm still breaking the law. :devil2:

Answer is 90, trouble is his speedo may have said 89 yet he got pinged for 96. Of course his speedo could have read 105. Oops, see what I did there.
To insist on accuracy to a degree that is not achievable is foolish.

[buggerit]

A lot easier when you're a corrupt copper I assume?

Thats going a bit far mate:angry:

[Madness]

I dont see how you can even argue this point

I suspect that'll be due to your head being so far up your own arse again.


Im pretty sure you wont get thrown in jail if you smoke a little weed at home. Its called being lenient. Doesnt always happen out on the road.

You got thrown in jail for towing a trailer at 96? Jebus! that copper was a good cunt.

[Grubber]

I suspect that'll be due to your head being so far up your own arse again.

And here is the other dope smoker as usual. Having a quiet day are we!

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[Madness]

And here is the other dope smoker as usual. Having a quiet day are we!

I prefer to refer to it as Cannabis. End of the month, budget's been smashed again, time to kick back & relax with a few doobs. You?

[Grubber]

I prefer to refer to it as Cannabis. End of the month, budget's been smashed again, time to kick back & relax with a few doobs. You?

Keep forgetting " dope" is what I call the user. Sorry bout that. Confirmation is well cemented in your posts.

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[imdying]

I suspect that'll be due to your head being so far up your own arse again.Woah woah woah, it's not hypocrisy when he does it, don't 'cha know?

[ruaphu]

Ok, i kno i'm gonna get shot to bits for not backing the 'right' views here, but hey fuck it thats what a forum is for. So here's my rant, lol.

I bleated my head off the first time the 4kph limit was imposed and ranted my spleen about govt BS and so forth to anyone that would listen.

Roll forward to now.
Has it made life on the road worse? Nah.
Has it lessened my enjoyment riding? Nah.
Did the law impugn my holiday riding/driving life? Nah.
If anything, has it made holiday riding ANY better? (just to be clear, NOT safer!) .........erm........... If honest, yeah!

So what was the problem???...... My fucking attitude and ego and somehow getting it fixed in my head i had some sorta unwritten right to speed!

If anything these limits have improved my holiday touring and tripping around as the halfwits are driving with some modicum of control. My touring times haven't changed, and sometimes improved, go figure eh.

Why? From what I've experienced with the speed curtailed the road traffic seems to flow better. When needed, the speed at which i can overtake is alot lower and done with ease n less stress with a simple blip on the throttle. None of this wait for a gap, swap cogs and thrash the bike up to some licence destroying speeds BS, nah just a simple roll on, overtake, roll off, done n dusted. I amble down the hiways n back roads and when needed thread the needle around traffic and still have a great ride.

Yep, i did exceed the 104kmh limit to overtake. My choice, however done with more care, less often, and with lower overtaking speeds. If i got caught so be it, i accept that, at the days end i was wrong and the aim of these limits, i fully get that.

My back road scratching hasn't changed cos of these holiday limits. it is still enjoyable and still manage to gouge the tarmac all over the place putting a smile on my dial!

Yep granted i now ride a stupidly big leviathan that is built for comfort. However, I had the same experience on my stupidly fast and modified GSX 1200.

And Yep, I've had a speeding ticket, recently for 123kmh. So I'm no saint, just human. The officer was good bugger about it, as are the majority of the blue line. If ya want to act like a cock expect push back.

So after what, is it 3 years of close holiday speed policing? It's had fuck all negative impact on my riding experience, if anything it has improved holiday riding time and modified my attitude based on experience too eh. I still get to ENJOY saddle time even on our pathetically made & even worse maintained roads. If anything roading is the REAL biker issue, not holiday limits.

Be honest what REAL difference have these holiday limits impacted ya riding? Probably sweet fuck all!

So the govt makes a bit of coin at speeders expense, boo fucking who! My view, good on em, they only do it cos fuckwit road users simply don't learn eh.

Willy, full respect bro, you're burning energy looking the wrong way brother. You & I have lost good friends and family to these roads and the fuckwits on em. The ones that survived were left fucked up for life.


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[unstuck]

Answer is 90, trouble is his speedo may have said 89 yet he got pinged for 96. Of course his speedo could have read 105. Oops, see what I did there.
To insist on accuracy to a degree that is not achievable is foolish.

As is assuming that having coppers cruising the community is going to stop people from stabbing each other, In my opinion.:innocent:

[bogan]

So what was the problem???...... My fucking attitude and ego and somehow getting it fixed in my head i had some sorta unwritten right to speed!

I can agree with that to a point; yes switching that part of the brain off and tootling along at or below the speed limit will lead to less frustration with the law. Or just not giving a shit and paying the taxes when applied as well. But it is the bigger picture, the safety aspect that is touted as the goal of this scheme, which is clearly a load of crap. Remember the roadsigns saying the speed limit is not a target? well putting this much focus on that limit makes it one. Speed can still be a factor in crashes when speeding isn't, something that seems to surprise many people given so much focus on the latter.

[Blackbird]

I can agree with that to a point; yes switching that part of the brain off and tootling along at or below the speed limit will lead to less frustration with the law. Or just not giving a shit and paying the taxes when applied as well. But it is the bigger picture, the safety aspect that is touted as the goal of this scheme, which is clearly a load of crap. Remember the roadsigns saying the speed limit is not a target? well putting this much focus on that limit makes it one. Speed can still be a factor in crashes when speeding isn't, something that seems to surprise many people given so much focus on the latter.


Yes indeedy! :2thumbsup

There is a very good blog post which I strongly recommend people to have a look at: http://nosurprise.org.uk/2014/11/19/bikers-arent-bad-people/ . It’s a reasonable length but stick with it as I believe it’s one of the most sensible and evidence-driven discourses on safe riding/accident mitigation that I've seen. Some of the psychological aspects between different types of riders are thought-provoking and I’d guess that car and truck drivers have parallels.

Whilst I have my own biases, the post shows that quality up-skilling goes a long way to mitigating risk. It’s a personal view but it also reinforces that many state-led road safety initiatives are relatively ineffective, ambulance at the bottom of the cliff approaches. :nono:

Real food for thought!

[Grubber]

Woah woah woah, it's not hypocrisy when he does it, don't 'cha know?

Hypocrisy????
Don't think so!
Many varying degrees of punishment for many varying degrees of crime.
Wouldn't expect to get a ticket in the mail for burglary would you, or even murder!
You get my point??? Na, probably not!

[bogan]

Wouldn't expect to get a ticket in the mail for burglary would you, or even murder!

Of course not, all the coppers supposed to be doing those jobs are now at the bottom of a hill hiding in the bushes with a radar gun.

[Kiwi Graham]

As is assuming that having coppers cruising the community is going to stop people from stabbing each other, In my opinion.:innocent:

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: geees you wern't at the front when they were handing out smarts eh!
The very claim the police are making is the zero tolerance 'will' have an impact so why would you not assume having the police errr 'police' our communities wouldn't do the same?
I never said cruising I said policing, its hard to interact with your community sat in a car :Police:

'Protect and serve' aint much of that going on is there.

Speed limits are there to limit speed, like wise road users should limit speed according to the conditions not to a number. I live on a road with a national speed limit, you'd be in the ditch by turn 2 if you attempted to travel at the national speed limit yet it is within the law to do so. Yet now our police are saying 1k over the speed limit is unacceptable regardless of whether the driver even knows he's is over the limit. I've read the difference from a new tyre to a legal worn tyre on some models can have a difference in exess of 1k, how do you callculate for that?

All I can see is frustration, actions or reactions out of character and a further reduction in an already eroded tolerance and respect of the police. Peolple will be driving around concentrating on the dash board of their truck, car or bike and not whats on the road

[Big Dog]

I see a lot of people getting tickets every day. On the way to work is usually good for at least one. I counted 2 speed cameras and 3 patrol cars that appeared to be either ticketing or taking notes and one assisting a motorist with what appeared to be a flat. But something to do with the back left corner that saw a police officer kneeling on wet ground while the driver chatted away on her mobile.
A patrol bike finished the set.
I see a few patrol cars parked out of the flow of traffic and the probable harms way but in all my time commuting I have only seen them hiding less than 5 times in the 16 years I have been in Auckland. The funny thing is, most people I see getting ticketed are stopped by marked cars. Out in the less heavily trafficked and consequently faster moving traffic I would guess 50/50.

If you don't want a "infringement notice" or the frequent flyer points associated you have always had the option of not infringing.


You can try and be vigilant. This will work most of the time, sooner or later you will have to pay the piper.

I personally have only ever had 1 speed camera and one hand written ticket on a bike.

I guess they must be to busy with the donuts to come out of hiding to ticket me?

Or more likely they just aren't hiding.


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[G4L4XY]

Don't forget that if you decide to go to court only to lose you will also have to pay court costs just to defend yourself so your $120ish fine doubles pfft.

I got pulled up with my rego out a week and he said just go buy it. Also had a reflector covering the bottom of the Z on my plate, he told me to take it off otherwise it's a $150 fine. Something the previous owner had on there.


Still haven't been let off a speeding ticket though :(

[Grubber]

Of course not, all the coppers supposed to be doing those jobs are now at the bottom of a hill hiding in the bushes with a radar gun.

Couldnt agree more. The guy that got me was the only other fella on a 9 k straight road at 6.30am. My pick is he got booted out of bed too early by his missus.
Got another one, my bro got done for no seatbelt out in the middle of nowhere going between farms in a ute. About a 2 k journey.If he had the ute on e plates he would have been allowed to have no seatbelt but it was registered fully. Funny he doesnt even need a WOF if on e plates so doesnt even need to be safe and yet no seatbelt required copper couldnt see relevance of his argument. Ka ching $150 thanks.

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[Big Dog]

Don't forget that if you decide to go to court only to lose you will also have to pay court costs just to defend yourself so your $120ish fine doubles pfft.

I got pulled up with my rego out a week and he said just go buy it. Also had a reflector covering the bottom of the Z on my plate, he told me to take it off otherwise it's a $150 fine. Something the previous owner had on there.


Still haven't been let off a speeding ticket though :(

That is because speeding is a compound. You were breaking the rules AND were not observant enough to not get caught AND there was supporting evidence.


Speeding is generally a wilful act.
Missing reg by a few days or a badly placed reflector are normally more ignorance type issues. Getting you to do the right thing with a friendly warning achieves more over time than ticketing everyone they talk to.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Flip]

The one and only purpose of the Rozza is to police the law. They have no mandate to educuate, inform or train, all they do is prosecute lawbreakers. Its the government who set the standard and are the problem. What’s even worse in this case, the Rozza are not even enforcing the law, but traffic regulations. They are the new rat (tax) catchers, once they were the cornerstone of western society now days they provide little more to society than the other animal control officers, building inspectors and parking orifices.

I'm sure the Rozza don't like doing traffic duty but its part of their job these days. IMHO the govt do see the police as an income stream, as the new road tax collectors. I am surprised if there is not some form of push back from the Police about this.

If you want to stuff the system up just challenge every speeding ticket we get in court. Or we can stfu and pay our tax.

[unstuck]

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: geees you wern't at the front when they were handing out smarts eh!


That right there tells me all I need to know about you.:niceone:

[BlackSheepLogic]

Unless you have changed the gearing on your bike (for example the front or rear sprockets) I challenge you to go out there and find a bike or car built in the last 20 years in which the clock is reading low. The manufactures intentionally have them reading high by a small margin.


I've read the difference from a new tyre to a legal worn tyre on some models can have a difference in exess of 1k, how do you callculate for that?

[Kiwi Graham]

Unless you have changed the gearing on your bike (for example the front or rear sprockets) I challenge you to go out there and find a bike or car built in the last 20 years in which the clock is reading low. The manufactures intentionally have them reading high by a small margin.

Got a 2006 Mitsi ute that reads high.

[Kiwi Graham]

That right there tells me all I need to know about you.:niceone:

Typical, assume your the one in the right and know enough to judge. God help us...

[BlackSheepLogic]

Speeding is generally a wilful act.

Yes it is, but it is also sometimes safer to do so which is one of the reasons hidden speed cameras should not be used.

If I'm traveling up a motorway and all of the traffic around me is doing 110Km/h I would rather hold my place in the flow of traffic. If the area is being patrolled traffic flows at the posted speed limit.

[BlackSheepLogic]

So you have just proved my point haven't you. If your clocks saying 100Km/h your actually a little under it.


Got a 2006 Mitsi ute that reads high.

[Gremlin]

Unless you have changed the gearing on your bike (for example the front or rear sprockets) I challenge you to go out there and find a bike or car built in the last 20 years in which the clock is reading low. The manufactures intentionally have them reading high by a small margin.
Just sold my 2003 Holden Commodore Ute that read low. Weird, because as far as I knew, things like wheels were all factory. It was about 2-4kph low at any given speed. Re-inforced my opinion of checking every vehicle with GPS to make sure I knew where I stood.

[Kiwi Graham]

So you have just proved my point haven't you. If your clocks saying 100Km/h your actually a little under it.

Sorry meant to read low....clock reads a lower speed than the 'your speed' signs indicate.

[Madness]

Sorry meant to read low....clock reads a lower speed than the 'your speed' signs indicate.

Geees you wern't at the front when they were handing out smarts, eh?

[Swoop]

The biggest cause of crashes is Lack of skill and distraction. Most people dont realise how bad being distracted is at any speed. Even at 50, being distracted for 1 second doubles your stoppping distance.
With the 0 tolerance, people will be spending plenty of time looking at the sides of the road, parked people-movers, etc, etc. I wonder if there is less speeding but more rear-end accidents because of this?



So you are saying that a copper in each house in the country is the answer to lower crime?
Imagine being assigned clint rickards to look after your family...:crazy:



I got a ticket on a deserted road in outback Mid Canterbury. Ticket was for 96 ks with a bike trailer on.
This was at 6.30am in the morning with not one other car on the road. Actually there was one, the cop car!
Where the hell is the justification with that one???:mad:
It was obviously a hazardous area. The cop might have done a U-turn in front of you!

[Big Dog]

Yes it is, but it is also sometimes safer to do so which is one of the reasons hidden speed cameras should not be used.

If I'm traveling up a motorway and all of the traffic around me is doing 110Km/h I would rather hold my place in the flow of traffic. If the area is being patrolled traffic flows at the posted speed limit.

Yep, same here. I do though keep an eye out for reasons to slow down. Not just power past unmarked vans.

I'd be dead by now if I stuck to a hundred religiously on Auckland motorways. Especially if that was indicated speed.


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[unstuck]

Typical, assume your the one in the right and know enough to judge. God help us...

Yep, I was right.:love::love:

[pritch]

JEEZ 2 POPOS ON AT THE SAME TIME? SHOULDNT YOU BE OUT GETTING REVENUE:laugh::laugh:

Winja? Where have you been?

[Murray]

Will they be on the streets or on the roads????

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hawkes-bay/63631818/Police-cut-open-hours

[unstuck]

Will they be on the streets or on the roads????

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hawkes-bay/63631818/Police-cut-open-hours

Gore cop shop has been like that for years.
You have to press the button and talk to someone in Invergiggle, even if you can see the cops in the station.:weird:

[BlackSheepLogic]

Just sold my 2003 Holden Commodore Ute that read low. Weird, because as far as I knew, things like wheels were all factory. It was about 2-4kph low at any given speed. Re-inforced my opinion of checking every vehicle with GPS to make sure I knew where I stood.

In the US market the clock can be +/- 10%, however for liability reasons most if not all manufactures in that market won't read less than the speed the vehicle is actually traveling at.

For Europe under UNECU regulations a speedometer must never show a speed less than that which the vehicle is traveling and must not read a speed >10 of the actual speed. Th UK also adopted these regulations and so did Australia.

I don't have at hand the NZ regulations regarding accuracy, however I'm pretty sure the LTSA considers cars imported into this country meet international standards and therefore a 1Km/h tolerance is reasonable since any car built to international standards won't report a speed lower than it actually is traveling as manufactured.

I'm obviously a little bit off in when these standards were set but I'm pretty sure these standards did not come into play yesterday.

Also, to a point mentioned by someone regarding speedometer inaccuracy as the tyre wears. That's true but that would cause the clock to show an indicated higher speed than when the tyre is new (i.e. each revelation of the wheels is traveling less distance).

[Kiwi Graham]

Geees you wern't at the front when they were handing out smarts, eh?

Should've been a cop then aye ;)

[JimmyC]

My biggest issue with these lower tolerances over the holiday period is witnessing what Joe Muppet does when passing a police car or even just a van parked on the side of the road. They're only doing between 90 and 95 indicated speed anyway, yet they STILL put the brakes on going down to 80 and 85 in a 100kmph zone. It's just madness...

[awa355]

I would have thought that it has been possible for all cars within the last 5 years to have had a GPS type speedo fitted. As for the manufacturers making the speedos reading fast, I dont see it as their responsibility to compensate for driver decisions regarding how fast they choose to drive.

Infact I'm suprised that in the land of lawyers, someone hasn't sued GM or Ford for selling him a car that reads 150mph "and I was really only doing 143mph your Honour".

[imdying]

Hypocrisy????Yeah yeah, I know, you weren't doing anybody else any harm, there's no victim, why should you be punished for what a large number of your fellow countrymen are doing, blah blah etc etc.

[imdying]

I would have thought that it has been possible for all cars within the last 5 years to have had a GPS type speedo fitted.There isn't a need, the existing setup it quite capable of being sufficiently accurate on unmodified vehicles. That's why your car/motorcycle reads xx% lower in speed, but still manages to record the correct mileage... given they both work from the same sensor, the only answer is that the manufacturer has specifically modified the speedo to read under.

[BlackSheepLogic]

As for the manufacturers making the speedos reading fast, I dont see it as their responsibility to compensate for driver decisions regarding how fast they choose to drive.

I'm sure they also don't see it as their responsibility either. But the way the UNECU regulations are written the clocks must not show a speed less than which the vehicle is traveling. The UNECU regulations go on to permit them to show an indicated speed greater than which the vehicle is traveling by as much as 10%.

So while the regulations don't make it the responsibility of the vehicle manufacture to indicate a speed greater than which the car is traveling it strongly influences how the vehicle manufacture should best comply with the requirements.

[scumdog]

My biggest issue with these lower tolerances over the holiday period is witnessing what Joe Muppet does when passing a police car or even just a van parked on the side of the road. They're only doing between 90 and 95 indicated speed anyway, yet they STILL put the brakes on going down to 80 and 85 in a 100kmph zone. It's just madness...

It's not just Madness that does that - lots of other do it too!:whistle::lol:

[_Shrek_]

What a fukkin bunch of cry baby pussies on here.:lol:

Got my only speeding ticket in '87.

Unlikely to get another one.

How hard is it , eh?:bleh:

just as well I got mrs S a tractor then :facepalm:

maybe I should..... :shutup:

[Big Dog]

What a fukkin bunch of cry baby pussies on here.:lol:

Got my only speeding ticket in '87.

Unlikely to get another one.

How hard is it , eh?:bleh:

Sounds like it is much harder to get a ticket on a Harley.

Maybe instead of walking for a month prolific speeders should be sentenced to time on an HD?




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[scumdog]

Sounds like it is much harder to get a ticket on a Harley.

Maybe instead of walking for a month prolific speeders should be sentenced to time on an HD?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.


T'wasn't a H-D (I never speed on that!):sweatdrop

T'was a '55 Ford F100 pick-up truck, an old dunger...;)

[scumdog]

just as well I got mrs S a tractor then :facepalm:

maybe I should..... :shutup:

Lucky girl!

If she can drive a tractor crossed with a dump-truck she will find the new ride a breeze!:msn-wink:

[FJRider]

what you do, or more to the point what the public want you to do, remember them? They are the people you 'signed up to serve' :facepalm:
Think about it for a moment and look at the bigger picture :wait:

I think you missed the big picture ...


Police officers are charged with the apprehension of criminals and the prevention and detection of crime, protection of the general public, and the maintenance of public order.


Nothing mentioned about "Serving" anybody ...

[Trade_nancy]

I think you missed the big picture ...




Nothing mentioned about "Serving" anybody ...

'Cept they work for Police SERVICE!

[scumdog]

'Cept they work for Police SERVICE!

Where does the Service part come into it???:confused:

[scumdog]

right you hank-wrining knicker twisting twats, what are you going to moan about if the cops step back from their claim on the speed tolerance? - oh wait, they've just done that!:rolleyes:

[Robbo]

right you hank-wrining knicker twisting twats, what are you going to moan about if the cops step back from their claim on the speed tolerance? - oh wait, they've just done that!:rolleyes:

Yep, just seen that on TV1. Looks like it was just a storm in a teacup after all.
Nothing like a good wind up. :laugh:

[unstuck]

Im sure they will find something to blub about, they usually do.:devil2:

[Scuba_Steve]

My biggest issue with these lower tolerances over the holiday period is witnessing what Joe Muppet does when passing a police car or even just a van parked on the side of the road. They're only doing between 90 and 95 indicated speed anyway, yet they STILL put the brakes on going down to 80 and 85 in a 100kmph zone. It's just madness...

My biggest problem is they'll be travelling between 80-85km/h real & constantly looking at their speedo not the road, cause apparently that's "safe"

Also can't wait to see the close calls with trucks etc as people try to overtake them on the passing lanes while keeping in the new "safe" tolerance

[FJRider]

'Cept they work for Police SERVICE!

Actually ... It's the New Zealand Police FORCE .... appropriate really ... :killingme

[Big Dog]

T'wasn't a H-D (I never speed on that!):sweatdrop

T'was a '55 Ford F100 pick-up truck, an old dunger...;)

Case closed... Scumdog unable to manage a ticket on his Harley....

[R650R]

Also can't wait to see the close calls with trucks etc as people try to overtake them on the passing lanes while keeping in the new "safe" tolerance

That already happens! There are an unbelieveable number of F'wits who cant stand to be behind a truck but are happy to use the entire passing lane at 99km/h to come past.
Then once past they travel at the same speed or slower...

[Scuba_Steve]

That already happens! There are an unbelieveable number of F'wits who cant stand to be behind a truck but are happy to use the entire passing lane at 99km/h to come past.
Then once past they travel at the same speed or slower...

It's because they're too scared of being scammed by the possible popo on the side of the passing lane; But I find currently they manage it at 100-110km/h so yes they take the whole lane but they do pass.
They're now gonna be doing it at max 95 and probably gonna find themselves only halfway up the truck at the end... But hey it's "safe" because they kept under 100 while not watching the road :facepalm:

[rastuscat]

I would have thought that it has been possible for all cars within the last 5 years to have had a GPS type speedo fitted. As for the manufacturers making the speedos reading fast, I dont see it as their responsibility to compensate for driver decisions regarding how fast they choose to drive.

Infact I'm suprised that in the land of lawyers, someone hasn't sued GM or Ford for selling him a car that reads 150mph "and I was really only doing 143mph your Honour".


Really cheeses me off too, when I'm driving the rozza-mobile, when people slow down to 90 in front of us because they think we might get trigger happy.

Reckon I've missed happy hour at more than one donut shop because of numpties slowing to well below the limit.

[caspernz]

Really cheeses me off too, when I'm driving the rozza-mobile, when people slow down to 90 in front of us because they think we might get trigger happy.

Reckon I've missed happy hour at more than one donut shop because of numpties slowing to well below the limit.

Yes of course. All too often it's the patrol car doing 85 on the motorway that slows the pace down when too many "numpties" get a little unsure of themselves. Especially when the girl next door is waiting for me :laugh:

[Berg]

Yes of course. All too often it's the patrol car doing 85 on the motorway that slows the pace down when too many "numpties" get a little unsure of themselves. Especially when the girl next door is waiting for me :laugh:
And you told me you were going HOME:gob::killingme

[Scuba_Steve]

Really cheeses me off too, when I'm driving the rozza-mobile, when people slow down to 90 in front of us because they think we might get trigger happy.

Reckon I've missed happy hour at more than one donut shop because of numpties slowing to well below the limit.

Must be a whole other world down there, up here it's the "rozza-mobile" that's doing 90 holding up all the idiots too stupid to pass it... should see the congestion it causes
Course on occasion you get the good "rozza-mobile" (usually undercover) that does 110-120 [actual] & keeps traffic flowing brilliantly, but they're rare... tho I occasionally end up following a dark blue one to work

[rastuscat]

Must be a whole other world down there, up here it's the "rozza-mobile" that's doing 90 holding up all the idiots too stupid to pass it... should see the congestion it causes
Course on occasion you get the good "rozza-mobile" (usually undercover) that does 110-120 [actual] & keeps traffic flowing brilliantly, but they're rare... tho I occasionally end up following a dark blue one to work

We Popo motorcycle types are used to riding progressively I.e. not faffing around. We do 100 true as much as we can. Not 100 indicated as we have factory speedos (not THAT sort of speedos) that are just as optimistic as everyone else's. We ride to our calibrated ones.

Interesting. We don't exceed unless it's for operational reasons (as laid down in law) for a couple of reasons. It'd be hypocritical, and it'd piss people off.

In fact, if I overtake someone on a passing lane doing 100 true I often wonder when the complaints will roll in about us exceeding the 100 on their Optimistic speedo.

Fascinating, the psychology of being accountable for your actions. Well, I think so.

Where's my stamp collection.........


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[rastuscat]

Must be a whole other world down there, up here it's the "rozza-mobile" that's doing 90 holding up all the idiots too stupid to pass it... should see the congestion it causes
Course on occasion you get the good "rozza-mobile" (usually undercover) that does 110-120 [actual] & keeps traffic flowing brilliantly, but they're rare... tho I occasionally end up following a dark blue one to work

Funny. If we do 110-120 you call us good rozzers when we would in fact be hypocritical.


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[Gremlin]

That already happens! There are an unbelieveable number of F'wits who cant stand to be behind a truck but are happy to use the entire passing lane at 99km/h to come past.
Then once past they travel at the same speed or slower...
Many a time I've been tootling along a road and come across a tanker or double trailer... Crikey you think, he's going a bit slow... I'll look to overtake.

Little while later you realise the multi-ton truck is being held up by some shitbox that's dawdling along. I zip by thinking that poor bastard is going to be stuck behind him as he can't pass...

That said, late at night I've come across trucks racing each other up passing lanes, going a couple of k quicker than the other... they didn't know I was there tho, patiently waiting :laugh:

[Berg]

We Popo motorcycle types are used to riding progressively I.e. not faffing around. We do 100 true as much as we can. Not 100 indicated as we have factory speedos (not THAT sort of speedos) that are just as optimistic as everyone else's. We ride to our calibrated ones.

Interesting. We don't exceed unless it's for operational reasons (as laid down in law) for a couple of reasons. It'd be hypocritical, and it'd piss people off.

In fact, if I overtake someone on a passing lane doing 100 true I often wonder when the complaints will roll in about us exceeding the 100 on their Optimistic speedo.

Fascinating, the psychology of being accountable for your actions. Well, I think so.

Where's my stamp collection.........


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Had that. Woman I issued a red light ticket to complained about my hypocrisy as she said I had been sitting at 110kph on the Raumati Straight. Pity my vehicle has a certified speedo and my cruise control had been set at 100kph. Sorry love but complaining about my supposed actions wont get you off your ticket.

[caspernz]

And you told me you were going HOME:gob::killingme

Sssshhhh :eek::psst:

[Scuba_Steve]

Funny. If we do 110-120 you call us good rozzers when we would in fact be hypocritical.


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Only if you also scammed others for doing the same; I'm going to assume the popo's I've seen do it don't do the scamming...
I applaud those who allow or entice traffic to flow naturally & would only hassle the dangerous/bad drivers, I don't applaud those who simply continue the extortion racket without thought ignoring true safety issues & bad driving

[caspernz]

Only if you also scammed others for doing the same; I'm going to assume the popo's I've seen do it don't do the scamming...
I applaud those who allow or entice traffic to flow naturally & would only hassle the dangerous/bad drivers, I don't applaud those who simply continue the extortion racket without thought ignoring true safety issues & bad driving

Haha, when I lived in Welly had an occasion where I "followed" a mufti at an enthusiastic pace over the Rimutakas one day. Got to the lights past the Caltex and got the big grin and the thumbs up from the fella...so go figure :innocent:

[Reckless]

Funny. If we do 110-120 you call us good rozzers when we would in fact be hypocritical.


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yeh but on a passing lane you guys have put us all in position that we are pushing the limit stressing about if the car coming the other way is a cop while trying to get past some big rig at 104k. Then the next hill we are stuck behind at 40k? Discretion has gone even more so now there is no tolerance at all. Fear of the consequences are over ruling common sense we will now have to follow the lowest or slowest road user. Now we will be Gearing up our stereos, setting our cruise control, sacrificing concentration all at the expense of road safety.

Soon an Auck to Welly trip will 10 hours or more if we go with the 80k average speed speed your boss wants to see how safe will the end of that one be?

IMHO this is crazy stuff.

[GrayWolf]

We Popo motorcycle types are used to riding progressively I.e. not faffing around. We do 100 true as much as we can. Not 100 indicated as we have factory speedos (not THAT sort of speedos) that are just as optimistic as everyone else's. We ride to our calibrated ones.

Interesting. We don't exceed unless it's for operational reasons (as laid down in law) for a couple of reasons. It'd be hypocritical, and it'd piss people off.

In fact, if I overtake someone on a passing lane doing 100 true I often wonder when the complaints will roll in about us exceeding the 100 on their Optimistic speedo.

Fascinating, the psychology of being accountable for your actions. Well, I think so.

Where's my stamp collection.........
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While I understand probably more than most here about being responsible for my actions (at work) as there is basically a 'zero tolerance' for any error's we make. (investigation and disciplinary action). I can also accept that factory speedo's may read a bit over speed actual...
But really Rastus, this policy is going to make people spend more time looking at speedo's and I will even go as far as to say drive 'LESS' safely either from boredom. (read Csiksentmihalyi's theory of flow basically to be 'fully engaged' in an activity, skill and challenge must be equal). Or from anxiety of going 1kph over the limit which your boss has said will result in a stop, and being 'distracted frequently' with over zelous speedo watching.
You I am sure will have seen the 'rigid, upright, clutching the wheel, anxious, drivers on the road, often the ones traveling at way below 100kph, they will be even worse with this added 'stress' in their minds.
I am sure that the Popo on the ground may have their own ideas, but, if we take the example of the 'ginga bike cop' in Wellington with his 'crusade'.... You can see where this will go with other similar minded individuals?
Societyin general 'relies' on tolerance to function.... non tolerance has always been the domain of Dictatorial states. This is the legacy that is going to be formed in the public mind.

[Mo NZ]

I may be wrong but I have heard the radar units have a +/- accuracy of 3 kph So it follows that you may get a ticket claiming you are doing 105 kph when in fact you are actually doing 99kph, which is no offence. I think that why the 10k tolerance was introduced to avoid this type of debate should you defend the ticket and say well I may have been going 99kph. Worth defending I recon. If the judge dismisses the charge don't forget to politely ask I you can be heard on costs $$. For ex I you get the ticket in Ch Ch and you live in p-North it cost you time off work , ferry tickets, accommodation etc to come there and quite rightfully defend the matter.

[awayatc]

people slow down to 90 in front of us because they think we might get trigger happy.




Let me wonder why......?
something to do with the fact that the majority of you lot ARE fuckin trigger happy...?


I have been in a few wars and war zones.......
but have never been more targeted then on NZ roads in the last few years......

public enemy number one.....?

[Berries]

I may be wrong but I have heard the radar units have a +/- accuracy of 3 kph So it follows that you may get a ticket claiming you are doing 105 kph when in fact you are actually doing 99kph, which is no offence. I think that why the 10k tolerance was introduced to avoid this type of debate should you defend the ticket and say well I may have been going 99kph. Worth defending I recon. If the judge dismisses the charge don't forget to politely ask I you can be heard on costs $$. For ex I you get the ticket in Ch Ch and you live in p-North it cost you time off work , ferry tickets, accommodation etc to come there and quite rightfully defend the matter.
Your maths is not quite right. If the ticket says 105 and there is a +/- 3km/h accuracy then the true speed would be between 102 and 108km/h, so over the limit. If the ticket was for 103 then you could have been doing 100 and not over. Unless the equipment and more importantly the operators are 100% accurate then this zero tolerance thing was never going to fly, 104km/h is the lowest enforceable open road speed if there is a +/- 3km/h accuracy with the gear.

[R650R]

We Popo motorcycle types are used to riding progressively I.e. not faffing around. We do 100 true as much as we can. Not 100 indicated as we have factory speedos (not THAT sort of speedos) that are just as optimistic as everyone else's. We ride to our calibrated ones.



Different story for your cage driving colleagues. When on mobile speed patrol they seem to travel at 80k so they can effect a faster stop and u turn to chase offender. Seen this plenty. All good as mostly they pull left frequently and let the traffic past.
But not one day on Taupo rd, followed one with three cars behind him who's just written out a ticket to a cage. Despite several chances he never pulled over and the cars behind him weren't positioning for an over take.
Dropped back and got my momentum up on the trusty Dr650 to exactly 100k did some U-boat torpedo maths on how much the cars and cop would roll off at the start of passing lane with confusion and timed it perfectly.
Nailed all four of them completely legally. I think the cagers were all so busy having popcorn at me passing the cop that he ended up stopping to let them past after the passing lane!

[R650R]

Many a time I've been tootling along a road and come across a tanker or double trailer... Crikey you think, he's going a bit slow... I'll look to overtake.

Little while later you realise the multi-ton truck is being held up by some shitbox that's dawdling along. I zip by thinking that poor bastard is going to be stuck behind him as he can't pass...

That said, late at night I've come across trucks racing each other up passing lanes, going a couple of k quicker than the other... they didn't know I was there tho, patiently waiting :laugh:

They know alright, just a case of first in first served. A good tip, if one truck is dropping back coming to a passing lane he's giving himself some room to boogie up some momentum to nail the other truck.
The good ol 44tonne (or more) slingshot pass on hills that have a nice downhill before hand can be quite a spectacle for the uniniated.

[rastuscat]

Wanna compare numpty stories? Out doing radar training in Selwyn District the other day. Using a marked car. I think they're well marked, fairly obvious. As were the 70 then 50 kmh signs as we entered Springston. All This appears to have escaped the driver of the car immediately ahead of us. Still, good same lane catch for the dude under training.

[rastuscat]

This fascination with spending so much time looking at the speedo is a surprise to me.

I find that I can sit at 100 with the occasional glance. It's a skill of driving.

Staring at a speedo to the detriment of driving is for the paranoid unskilled.

[R650R]

yeh but on a passing lane you guys have put us all in position that we are pushing the limit stressing about if the car coming the other way is a cop while trying to get past some big rig at 104k. Then the next hill we are stuck behind at 40k?

What your saying their is your initiating an over take without enough room. Most passing lanes are on hills or inclines so there should always be a decent speed differential. You should just give it some gas and do it. The truck is a bigger radar target, its return signal will drawfe anything coming off your bike. I don't think I've ever seen anyone radared while overtaking me. Plus its a dangerous job for the cop to then try get past the truck. Hard work where then are more donuts easier to reach on the lower shelf.

We are all missing something here and that is we are still free to drive how we want. GPS tracking for all cars and bikes will be here soon. Yes a four k tolerance sucks for couple months, just wait till its every day and when you do geta ticket or crash the cops download you last three months of driving/offending from your own phone....

[R650R]

This fascination with spending so much time looking at the speedo is a surprise to me.

I find that I can sit at 100 with the occasional glance. It's a skill of driving.

Staring at a speedo to the detriment of driving is for the paranoid unskilled.

100% agree. And its even easier on a bike as you can hear the engine revs easier, even with ear plugs.

[rastuscat]

100% agree. And its even easier on a bike as you can hear the engine revs easier, even with ear plugs.

So why the angst? If everyone is as shit hot as they think, what's the problem?

[Scuba_Steve]

This fascination with spending so much time looking at the speedo is a surprise to me.

I find that I can sit at 100 with the occasional glance. It's a skill of driving.

Staring at a speedo to the detriment of driving is for the paranoid unskilled.

For your driver licence nowadays you're expected to look at the speedo minimum of every 8 seconds this means that every 8 seconds there's 1-2 seconds of inattention & from the propaganda a decade or so ago we know "it only takes a split second for an accident to happen".
I find it surprising you find it acceptable for your eyes to be off the road... ever! That's just dangerous driving

Humans are pretty good at self regulation & the roads would be MUCH safer if we were just left to do that only targeting those who pose a credible danger i.e. well out of sync with everyone else

[rastuscat]

For your driver licence nowadays you're expected to look at the speedo minimum of every 8 seconds this means that every 8 seconds there's 1-2 seconds of inattention & from the propaganda a decade or so ago we know "it only takes a split second for an accident to happen".
I find it surprising you find it acceptable for your eyes to be off the road... ever! That's just dangerous driving

Humans are pretty good at self regulation & the roads would be MUCH safer if we were just left to do that only targeting those who pose a credible danger i.e. well out of sync with everyone else

You were much more fun when you were that offensive, opinionated ingnoramus you were a few years back.

You're far to sensible now. :nono:

[Scuba_Steve]

So why the angst? If everyone is as shit hot as they think, what's the problem?

Don't forget too it's not just the scam itself it's the way your gang runs the scam. There's often a scammer on the hill or passing lanes round here... try and overtake a 18wheeler doing his GPS 90km/h within the "legal limits"

[rastuscat]

Don't forget too it's not just the scam itself it's the way your gang runs the scam. There's often a scammer on the hill or passing lanes round here... try and overtake a 18wheeler doing his GPS 90km/h within the "legal limits"

Slag the ones who do it, not the 12876 who don't.

[Scuba_Steve]

You were much more fun when you were that offensive, opinionated ingnoramus you were a few years back.

You're far to sensible now. :nono:

My views haven't changed, only my way of writing them

[scumdog]

ANOTHER thread chock-full of hanky wringing, knicker-twisting Chicken Littles...<_<

[Scuba_Steve]

ANOTHER thread chock-full of hanky wringing, knicker-twisting Chicken Littles...<_<

yea, good thing you came along or we were gonna be 1 short :bleh:

[unstuck]

yea, good thing you came along or we were gonna be 1 short :bleh:

lol, ya walked right into that one scummy. :laugh::laugh::Punk::Punk:

[GrayWolf]

So why the angst? If everyone is as shit hot as they think, what's the problem?

because Rastus, you may be a skilled rider/driver, others may be competent... but even you know from your numerous comments about 'driving skills', there is going to be a 'good' selection who WILL be speedo watching, as well as txting, sorting out the kids, sitting in the right hand lane at 95km's, etc, etc...
so it just add's another 'threat factor' into the driving experience.

[scumdog]

yea, good thing you came along or we were gonna be 1 short :bleh:


Hey it's not ME that's in a tail-spin about this 1kph tolerance thing that may or may not happen!:lol:

[R650R]

So why the angst? If everyone is as shit hot as they think, what's the problem?

You'd have to ask the angst ridden... For me I accept there are 'rules of the game' to follow and if on occasion I exceed/break any laws limits I accept that is my decision. For while we are on the govts plantation we are their slaves and bound to a canning in the big house if we misbehave.

I think the problem many people have with anything police related is they never get past the fairytale taught to you in kindergarten that the Police are there to protect you, which is a basic sense is true.
What the Police are really there for is to prevent the immediate loss of life or violent harm and to protect our leaders and any other visiting plantation owners. Any other minor stuff in between that is just filling the day in.
And then there's that word justice and all the grief that comes with it as some people mistakenly start believeing that implies a sense of fairness or common ground across penalties.

Its all TVs fault if we didn't watch TV we'd still be believeing that kindergarten fairytale and be smiling pleasantly everytime we ticketed as that nice policeman just stopped us from hurting ourselves.

[R650R]

For your driver licence nowadays you're expected to look at the speedo minimum of every 8 seconds this means that every 8 seconds there's 1-2 seconds of inattention & from the propaganda a decade or so ago we know "it only takes a split second for an accident to happen".


When I sat the HGV tests in UK you were expected to look in your mirrors every 2-3 seconds!!! And for the test this means turning your head slightly everytime so the assessor knows you are doing it. After the neck injuries subsided I realised it was a good thing. It massively improves your situational awareness and helps avoid incidents with those last minute overtakers or and lane changers etc.
It became second nature to me and still kept doing it when came back to NZ. Since then it has saved me several times, including once seeing sparks from a failing driveshaft knuckle and stopping before it exploded.
The mechanic said he was the only driver he'd seen save one so close to the point of failure.

[Gremlin]

This fascination with spending so much time looking at the speedo is a surprise to me.

I find that I can sit at 100 with the occasional glance. It's a skill of driving.

Staring at a speedo to the detriment of driving is for the paranoid unskilled.
Depends on your time in the vehicle as well though. I'd consider myself reasonably skilled, much better on a bike than in a car though. CB900, with a touch under 100k of experience I know exactly the speed to throttle relationship (within 1kph pretty much). BMW, almost as close, about 93k.

Cars are a different story tho. Drive infrequently, managed 8k in 1.5 years in the ute and I could easily pick up 5kph without realising. Open road much worse than suburban.

[Big Dog]

You'd have to ask the angst ridden... For me I accept there are 'rules of the game' to follow and if on occasion I exceed/break any laws limits I accept that is my decision. For while we are on the govts plantation we are their slaves and bound to a canning in the big house if we misbehave.

I think the problem many people have with anything police related is they never get past the fairytale taught to you in kindergarten that the Police are there to protect you, which is a basic sense is true.
What the Police are really there for is to prevent the immediate loss of life or violent harm and to protect our leaders and any other visiting plantation owners. Any other minor stuff in between that is just filling the day in.
And then there's that word justice and all the grief that comes with it as some people mistakenly start believeing that implies a sense of fairness or common ground across penalties.

Its all TVs fault if we didn't watch TV we'd still be believeing that kindergarten fairytale and be smiling pleasantly everytime we ticketed as that nice policeman just stopped us from hurting ourselves.

Aye, but now the police have a new problem. They have demonstrated that they can lower the road toll via aggressive assertive action. One year is not proof but it is what was crowed by the appointed talking suit.

How is that a problem? If they proceed and repeat the results they will be unpopular with all the road users who think they are an exceptional driver, around 80% of men and 70% of women think they are above average.
If they repeat the process but the results are different they have egg on their face.
If they don't repeat the action every man and his dog will blame the police for every speed related death.


Really backed into a corner. No, the only thing they can do is repeat the experiment and hope they can live with the outcome.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[buggerit]

Aye, but now the police have a new problem. They have demonstrated that they can lower the road toll via aggressive assertive action. One year is not proof but it is what was crowed by the appointed talking suit.

How is that a problem? If they proceed and repeat the results they will be unpopular with all the road users who think they are an exceptional driver, around 80% of men and 70% of women think they are above average.
If they repeat the process but the results are different they have egg on their face.
If they don't repeat the action every man and his dog will blame the police for every speed related death.


Really backed into a corner. No, the only thing they can do is repeat the experiment and hope they can live with the outcome.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

The weather and the day of the week the statutary holidays fall on has more to do with holiday accident stats than speed.
And low speed vehicles with ignorant drivers cause a lot of accidents they themselves may not be involved in.
I wonder how many drivers never attain open road speeds outside the ruler straight motorway systems between xmas's?

[rastuscat]

When I started it was as a county mountie with the Auckland City Traffic Dept. We have a 20 kmh tolerance then, well, 19 actually. 20 over got you a ticket, less didn't even get stopped. Peoiple learned quickly that you could do 65 past a traffic car and not get pinged, so 65 it was. Over 700 died that year.

At the same time, in Invercargill the locals all drove at 52, as they knew that much more and they'd get nailed by the local countie mounties. I drove at the Auckland tolerance in Invercargill once, and the locals all looked at me like I was Evel Kneivel.

See, the tolerance sets what people drive at. If we have a high tolerance, we allow traffic in general (the 85 percentile) to creep up to it. After we standardized it at 10, it took a while, but mostly it caused people to drive up to thew tolerance. Especially in the lower speed areas, 50 kmh areas. We can drive around with the death ray reading general traffic around 50, and mostly less than 58.

It's taken us a very long time to wind things down to closer to the actual limit. From what I have seen, the 4 km/h thing might be the permanent thing. Over time, it'll become accepted. Not liked, just accepted.

The hard thing is to get cops themselves to enforce it. It'll take a long time to become common practice for cops across the board to be writing tickets at 5 over. Some buy into it straight away, others will never, but it will become accepted over time.

[kiwi cowboy]

This fascination with spending so much time looking at the speedo is a surprise to me.

I find that I can sit at 100 with the occasional glance. It's a skill of driving.

Staring at a speedo to the detriment of driving is for the paranoid unskilled.

Ticketing speeders for 4k over is fine but there's more dangerous shit on the roads than 4 k over that doesn't get attention.

Following too close for one- when I tow a small trailer to ch ch sometimes I travel at times close to just over the speed limit on my speedo which may be reading over but would still be slightly over 90.
I feel im safer doing this as even though im tecknicly speeding im staying with the flow of traffic so im not pissing others off holding them up BUT I make sure I have a great gap in front of me for manuvering should I need to.

Peoples attitude to driving and driving to the conditions should be more important but ticketing speeders is easier.

Making sure foreign visiters prove they can drive would be another.
Friend of mine talked to a pair of aussies that were waiting to rent a vehicle in queenstown airport when an Asian got the keys to her rental and went out side only to come in 5 minutes later waving the keys in the attendants face saying - you show how drive me not drive car like this before.
Two rounds of the carpark showing where the controls were and they were good to go so who's safer?.

[unstuck]

Two rounds of the carpark showing where the controls were and they were good to go so who's safer?.

Fuckin slow learners then.:wacko:

[chasio]

Yes indeedy! :2thumbsup

There is a very good blog post which I strongly recommend people to have a look at: http://nosurprise.org.uk/2014/11/19/bikers-arent-bad-people/ . It’s a reasonable length but stick with it as I believe it’s one of the most sensible and evidence-driven discourses on safe riding/accident mitigation that I've seen. Some of the psychological aspects between different types of riders are thought-provoking and I’d guess that car and truck drivers have parallels.

Whilst I have my own biases, the post shows that quality up-skilling goes a long way to mitigating risk. It’s a personal view but it also reinforces that many state-led road safety initiatives are relatively ineffective, ambulance at the bottom of the cliff approaches. :nono:

Real food for thought!

Thanks, Geoff. That blog is excellent and has explained to me a number of things I do by gut feel. In other words I have realized that I try to avoid surprises.

And it has also reminded me to go and practice emergency stops...

Edit: Added link to sig

[Kiwi Graham]

I think you missed the big picture ...




Nothing mentioned about "Serving" anybody ...

'To protect and Serve' it's a moto
Public servant a vocational job

You're welcome ;)

[Kickaha]

'To protect and Serve' it's a moto Of the LAPD, nothing to do with anything in NZ at all

[blue rider]

This fascination with spending so much time looking at the speedo is a surprise to me.

I find that I can sit at 100 with the occasional glance. It's a skill of driving.

Staring at a speedo to the detriment of driving is for the paranoid unskilled.

and that would be the majority of New Zealanders who received their one and only driver training from their equally unskilled parents, cuzzies and boyfriends etc.

People loose their lives and limbs in NZ because a. peeps drive like there is a war - me first, tail gaiting, queue jumping, b. they drive to fast - but then there are roads that have a limit of 100 that are basically donkey tracks - so go figure why no one is actually establishing speeding limits that are sensible, c. no one that drives a vehicle gives a flying poo about pedestrians - young or old, no one gives a flying shit about bicyclists, or for that matter motor bikes.

so how about the Police would argue for

a. compulsory driving/riding lessons with a proper test (i.e. tester and driving teacher in the car with the learner)
b. make driver licenses 'on probation' for two years (any infractions and one goes back to paying driving lessons)
c. create smarter speed limits, i.e. 10 km school zone, 30 km suburban areas with kids on the street, 50 km inner city, 80 km motorway innercity, 80 open road - donkey trail, 100 km standard motorway, 130 km major highways
d. have some smart advertising about merging into traffic (holland had a good ad on tv about merging like a zip), keeping distance in rain/fog etc. etc etc etc
e. use led signs to alert drivers of slowing down speeds when the motorways feeding into the city are clocked etc. etc etc.

all that would make more sense, than enforcing a 0 km tolerance that will only manage to reduce the speed limit by 10 km as everyone is going to not get a ticket, with the result that peeps are bored, tired, etc and will cause accidents.

[Kiwi Graham]

This fascination with spending so much time looking at the speedo is a surprise to me.

I find that I can sit at 100 with the occasional glance. It's a skill of driving.

Staring at a speedo to the detriment of driving is for the paranoid unskilled.
Is this the acuratley calibrated speedo in your police car or are you referring to the inaccurate (in either direction) speedo in your civi car? If it's your civi car you may well be "glancing " at a 100 on the dial but you maybe doing 105 oops

[rastuscat]

Is this the acuratley calibrated speedo in your police car or are you referring to the inaccurate (in either direction) speedo in your civi car? If it's your civi car you may well be "glancing " at a 100 on the dial but you maybe doing 105 oops

105 indicated in my own car is 98 true. Toyotas do that.

[Akzle]

160 indicated on the GPS is... Oh wait on.
:Shutup::Police::calm:

[Berries]

Making sure foreign visiters prove they can drive would be another.
Making sure locals can drive would make far more sense and save far more lives.


Friend of mine talked to a pair of aussies that were waiting to rent a vehicle in queenstown airport when an Asian got the keys to her rental and went out side only to come in 5 minutes later waving the keys in the attendants face saying - you show how drive me not drive car like this before.
Two rounds of the carpark showing where the controls were and they were good to go so who's safer?
Hmmm, someone who may be less confident about driving in a foreign country compared to someone over confident because they are only over the ditch? Must be a trick question given the number of crashes caused by Australians when on holiday here.

[Swoop]

Public servant a vocational job

You're welcome ;)
After spending some time last week, in Wellytown, at a gubbinment ministry...

Do you remember back at school? There were those kids who were regarded as "spastic"? Odd sort of individuals who we wondered "what will they do when they leave school"?

Last week I found the answer. They become "public servant's" and are employed in Wellington.



I now see the reason to rent out wellington to the French, for nuclear testing purposes.

[kiwi cowboy]

Making sure locals can drive would make far more sense and save far more lives.

So its ok for the tourists to come over here and get in a car and straight onto 100km zone when they probably haven't had a car over 30 ever as all there driving has been in city?.

Hmmm, someone who may be less confident about driving in a foreign country compared to someone over confident because they are only over the ditch? Must be a trick question given the number of crashes caused by Australians when on holiday here.

I haven't heard of any aussies taking out motor cyclists.

Last year major accident just out of Geraldine caused by and aisan driver on the wrong side of the road.
Another just the other day down here involving a Chinese driver killed a motor cyclist and seriously hurt another.
Major crash when a van of Asian persons pulled out in front of a truck 3 killed.

[roogazza]

When I started it was as a county mountie with the Auckland City Traffic Dept.

The hard thing is to get cops themselves to enforce it. It'll take a long time to become common practice for cops across the board to be writing tickets at 5 over. Some buy into it straight away, others will never, but it will become accepted over time.

Ahhhhh ! a traffic cop, I knew you had to be.
I hope General Police don't start that.

[caspernz]

Ticketing speeders for 4k over is fine but there's more dangerous shit on the roads than 4 k over that doesn't get attention.

Following too close for one- when I tow a small trailer to ch ch sometimes I travel at times close to just over the speed limit on my speedo which may be reading over but would still be slightly over 90.
I feel im safer doing this as even though im tecknicly speeding im staying with the flow of traffic so im not pissing others off holding them up BUT I make sure I have a great gap in front of me for manuvering should I need to.

The stuff not receiving attention (or at least that's the perception) as opposed to the single minded focus on speed...is my bugbear as well. The whole pioneer spirit is alive and well in this country, tailgating and aggro driving are just the norm, yet because it's harder to police than just speed...it doesn't really receive the attention it deserves.

[Berries]

So its ok for the tourists to come over here and get in a car and straight onto 100km zone when they probably haven't had a car over 30 ever as all there driving has been in city?.
No it isn't, but what do you think can be done about it, realistically?

Chinese excluded. They should have to jump through the same hoops that a westerner has to to drive over there. Reciprocal arrangements my arse.


I haven't heard of any Aussies taking out motor cyclists.
That wasn't the question.


Last year major accident just out of Geraldine caused by and aisan driver on the wrong side of the road.
Another just the other day down here involving a Chinese driver killed a motor cyclist and seriously hurt another.
Major crash when a van of Asian persons pulled out in front of a truck 3 killed.
Asia covers a large part of the world and a lot of people, many of whom drive on the same side of the road that we do. The big high profile crashes are often head on crashes which inevitably mean that someone crossed the centre line. In by far the majority of crashes the driver who crossed the centreline is a tired or distracted local. Tourist drivers however make good headlines and if the second crash you refer to is the one near Kingston that is an absolute classic example of biased reporting. Being a shit driver or making a mistake is a human thing, and we all make mistakes whatever country we were born in.

My point I guess is that if we have 20 percent of people driving being from overseas you should expect that 20 percent of drivers who cause crashes are from overseas. Some people however can't accept that.

[neels]

That's why your car/motorcycle reads xx% lower in speed, but still manages to record the correct mileage... given they both work from the same sensor, the only answer is that the manufacturer has specifically modified the speedo to read under.
Not entirely true, the odometer is a gear driven device, whereas a mechanical speedo (why do cars still have these?) use a magnetic drag cup to drive the needle against spring pressure. It's surprising they are as accurate as 10% really. Odometers are quite often out as well, it really grated my brother paying 7% more than he needed to of the already inflated RUC on his diesel.

Anyway, expect to see more speed camera vans at the bottom of slight downhills on straight roads, that's where the money is to be made and where in recent times I've seen them parked.

The speed camera fine that really pissed me off was one of these, downhill out of town just before the 100k sign, with a fucking big truck about 6ft from my back bumper. One would hope if there was a real cop around he would have pulled the truck for following too close, instead of me for the extremely dangerous action of not braking for 200m before accelerating at the change of speed limit:killingme

[kiwi cowboy]

No it isn't, but what do you think can be done about it, realistically?

more than is now but in the two hard basket cos the gubbermint looks at all the revenue it collects from tourists and doesn't want to lose that by making it harder or impossible for some to drive when they come here.
Much better to let them take the odd kiwi out A.

Chinese excluded. They should have to jump through the same hoops that a westerner has to to drive over there. Reciprocal arrangements my arse.


That wasn't the question.

Ok I haven't heard of any accidents caused by aussies this way-- Is that better?.


Asia covers a large part of the world and a lot of people, many of whom drive on the same side of the road that we do. The big high profile crashes are often head on crashes which inevitably mean that someone crossed the centre line. In by far the majority of crashes the driver who crossed the centreline is a tired or distracted local. Tourist drivers however make good headlines and if the second crash you refer to is the one near Kingston that is an absolute classic example of biased reporting. Being a shit driver or making a mistake is a human thing, and we all make mistakes whatever country we were born in.

My point I guess is that if we have 20 percent of people driving being from overseas you should expect that 20 percent of drivers who cause crashes are from overseas. Some people however can't accept that.

In a lot of cases the driver that crosses the centre line has no concept of speed and corners as they have been only in city driving all there lives at 30km max and never over that but gets in a car and crosses the centre going too fast.

[Ocean1]

Not entirely true, the odometer is a gear driven device, whereas a mechanical speedo (why do cars still have these?) use a magnetic drag cup to drive the needle against spring pressure. It's surprising they are as accurate as 10% really.

How accurate they can be isn't really relevant, what's relevant is the change in rules from a nominal instrumentation tolerance of +/- 5% to some technically incompetent transport authority required "industry standard" of +0/-10%. This, on the basis that while science is a very fine thing and all, it would be insanely dangerous to mislead a motorist into traveling over the legal speed limit.

Fucking bureaucratic wankers, no fucking idea.

[Big Dog]

When I started it was as a county mountie with the Auckland City Traffic Dept. We have a 20 kmh tolerance then, well, 19 actually. 20 over got you a ticket, less didn't even get stopped. Peoiple learned quickly that you could do 65 past a traffic car and not get pinged, so 65 it was. Over 700 died that year.

At the same time, in Invercargill the locals all drove at 52, as they knew that much more and they'd get nailed by the local countie mounties. I drove at the Auckland tolerance in Invercargill once, and the locals all looked at me like I was Evel Kneivel.

See, the tolerance sets what people drive at. If we have a high tolerance, we allow traffic in general (the 85 percentile) to creep up to it. After we standardized it at 10, it took a while, but mostly it caused people to drive up to thew tolerance. Especially in the lower speed areas, 50 kmh areas. We can drive around with the death ray reading general traffic around 50, and mostly less than 58.

It's taken us a very long time to wind things down to closer to the actual limit. From what I have seen, the 4 km/h thing might be the permanent thing. Over time, it'll become accepted. Not liked, just accepted.

The hard thing is to get cops themselves to enforce it. It'll take a long time to become common practice for cops across the board to be writing tickets at 5 over. Some buy into it straight away, others will never, but it will become accepted over time.

Tonight we had a classic example of "if only the police were there to see that."

Irony being the genius was only doing about 110 on the motorway. He was doing about 30km faster than the prevailing traffic. The smoke pouring out the back of gtr skyline as all four wheels lit up trying to not hit then people mover that pulled into the space he was trying to invade made it clear his driving ability was not what it should to be on the road. Let alone in a beast like that.

Yes, I am in support of the actions of the people mover. When he pulled out there was plenty of room and no one in the lane all the way back to a ute that flashed to indicate he was leaving him room. Me rocket scientist was to busy driving beyond his means to see this exchange even though e was closer than us.

If it were me is be pushing for absolute 0 tolerance any time the prevailing traffic was 20% under or if you are already driving like a fuckwit, 15% tolerance for overtaking manoeuvres, 10% any other time. Those are numbers the public can understand the reasoning and most I have discussed simat with IRL would support.

Or has common sense gone forever from our roads?




Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

As to foreign drivers. I know an awful lot of Jaffas who have never cracked the tonne or even the half tonne outside of a motorway. Some have on the motorway instead of saving it for a track day. These same Jaffas think because they drive around Auckland at 20% over the posted speed limit that they can do the same down to Thames while in an overloaded car towing a boat.

I can think of a few that would see driving at or below the speed limit a crime.


I don't know the exact stats but I seem to recall reading that half of all road deaths in Thames / Coromandel were Aucklanders. I'd be curious to know what percentage of the road toll each year the at fault driver was a Jaffa. Are certain areas over represented in the holiday road stats?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[GrayWolf]

As to foreign drivers. I know an awful lot of Jaffas who have never cracked the tonne or even the half tonne outside of a motorway. Some have on the motorway instead of saving it for a track day. These same Jaffas think because they drive around Auckland at 20% over the posted speed limit that they can do the same down to Thames while in an overloaded car towing a boat.

I can think of a few that would see driving at or below the speed limit a crime.


I don't know the exact stats but I seem to recall reading that half of all road deaths in Thames / Coromandel were Aucklanders. I'd be curious to know what percentage of the road toll each year the at fault driver was a Jaffa. Are certain areas over represented in the holiday road stats?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.


I can only go by the Wellington Drivers, but to b blunt, a high proportion of NZ drivers are downright ignorant and arrogant.
Examples...
the Hutt Motorway.... traffic in the left lane doing 90-95, single car (or a few) in right lane, doing exact same speed, and wont move over, or spped up to 100kph and overtake. Germany? on the AUtobahn, all a car needs to do is come up behind you, put on the overtaking side indicator, and the slower car will pull over as soon as safely possible...
UK Main roads (dual carrigeways etc) people WILL let you in (make gaps) and are polite about it generally.... here? Merge like a zip, means? regardless of the other vehicle, force your way in despite the speed of the car/truck you are pulling in front of. On one occasion while driving a car, a young woman in a subaru tried to 'merge' (read FORCE her way in) from a right hand lane that narrowed to a single lane. At NO TIME was she in front of me (complete car) instead she forced her way to get her 'bonnet in front and tried to force her way into a small distance between me and the car in front. OK I'll admit I decided to not reward her bad behaviour and stood my ground. Which incensed her greatly. I can assure you this type of force in behaviour in London, would result in a driver getting thumped if a male.

NZ drivers like to blame foreign ones, and yes some are 'different' in car handling... but for road courtesy and manners? NZ drivers are severely lacking overall.

And for the Popo etc among us, please note... there is deliberately no reference about speeding behaviour in this post!

[Kiwi Graham]

105 indicated in my own car is 98 true. Toyotas do that.

So imagine how frustrated you would feel, driving 'another' car believing you are doing 100kmh and getting pulled only to be told sorry sir you were doing 101-2 and I'm going to write you up.
See how the picture unfolds, see how people are going to get annoyed, see how what little respect people will have for this type of policing.

I think the vast majority of people can see the benifits of keeping within the set speed limits but the average Joe isnt the guy your aiming this zero tollerance at surley it must be the habitual speeder and they aint going to be driving at a couple of k's over the speed limit, yet who are the ones that are going to get hit with fines and demerits?

To be honest it could be the old double bluff senario; get people jumimg up and down over 1 k them put it back up to 5k ;) remember the proposed ACC hike, the snapper size and catch limit all done before. It wasn't many weeks ago there was talk of 'increasing' speed limits in some areas!

[R650R]

they can do the same down to Thames while in an overloaded car towing a boat.

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Now there's something that could REALLY save lives, reduce congestion and boost the economy. BAN all private vehicles (and company wagons not on business time) from towing boats caravans and trailers to the tip.
If you can afford a boat you can afford to park it at the Marina and join the boatclub, double win there as you'll get some marine safety training to.
All the holiday parks have cheap cabins now, it makes no economic sense to own a caravan and suffer the fuel use from towing it.
The last three consecutive major holiday periods I've seen caravans and boat trailers with sheared off wheels from stud breakage or nuts come loose. Miracle no one been killed.

[Scuba_Steve]

Or has common sense gone forever from our roads?


Pretty much; it got replaced with rules & signs & pretty coloured lights... why think when the road does that for you

[willytheekid]

and that would be the majority of New Zealanders who received their one and only driver training from their equally unskilled parents, cuzzies and boyfriends etc.

People loose their lives and limbs in NZ because a. peeps drive like there is a war - me first, tail gaiting, queue jumping, b. they drive to fast - but then there are roads that have a limit of 100 that are basically donkey tracks - so go figure why no one is actually establishing speeding limits that are sensible, c. no one that drives a vehicle gives a flying poo about pedestrians - young or old, no one gives a flying shit about bicyclists, or for that matter motor bikes.

so how about the Police would argue for

a. compulsory driving/riding lessons with a proper test (i.e. tester and driving teacher in the car with the learner)
b. make driver licenses 'on probation' for two years (any infractions and one goes back to paying driving lessons)
c. create smarter speed limits, i.e. 10 km school zone, 30 km suburban areas with kids on the street, 50 km inner city, 80 km motorway innercity, 80 open road - donkey trail, 100 km standard motorway, 130 km major highways
d. have some smart advertising about merging into traffic (holland had a good ad on tv about merging like a zip), keeping distance in rain/fog etc. etc etc etc
e. use led signs to alert drivers of slowing down speeds when the motorways feeding into the city are clocked etc. etc etc.

all that would make more sense, than enforcing a 0 km tolerance that will only manage to reduce the speed limit by 10 km as everyone is going to not get a ticket, with the result that peeps are bored, tired, etc and will cause accidents.

:gob:...how DARE you bring commonsense and a well thought out plan that would ACTUALLY effect road safety into this!

But we both know the answer why not...
There way = easy revenue, well paid jobs for the Govt boys & there mates, and the passing of even more "laws" to ensure we are all "safe":2thumbsup
Your way = expenditure, actual planning and management abilities with real accountability...and far to much hard work!:oi-grr:



besides :facepalm:

...Goberments current "plan" is right on track THANK YOU VERY MUCH!:shifty:

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[unstuck]

Most people are completely stupid and refuse to take any responsibility for their life, bumbling along blaming everyone around them for the way the world is.
YOU are responsible for society, YOU, not your fuckin neighbour, not the cops, not the government, not your teachers or parents YOU. Responsibility.......... Your ability to respond.......Get right with yourself before you start playing the victim card. Muppets.:bleh::bleh:

[Big Dog]

Now there's something that could REALLY save lives, reduce congestion and boost the economy. BAN all private vehicles (and company wagons not on business time) from towing boats caravans and trailers to the tip.
If you can afford a boat you can afford to park it at the Marina and join the boatclub, double win there as you'll get some marine safety training to.
All the holiday parks have cheap cabins now, it makes no economic sense to own a caravan and suffer the fuel use from towing it.
The last three consecutive major holiday periods I've seen caravans and boat trailers with sheared off wheels from stud breakage or nuts come loose. Miracle no one been killed.
Nah, that goes to far. I would like to see a trailer license for tandem axle or weight class trailers. I have to carry none to drive an artic why should joe consumer be allowed to tow any old rented crap without proving themselves competent? Any idiot can tow a 2x3. Lots can't reverse it. Put the garden waste on. No problem. Put furniture on without an understanding of weight distribution...



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[FJRider]

'To protect and Serve' it's a moto
Public servant a vocational job

You're welcome ;)


I think you've been watching too much TV .... :facepalm:

Actually ... The New Zealand Police motto is Safer Communities Together ... are you one of the many in NZ that dial 911 in and emergency .. ???

[Scuba_Steve]

I think you've been watching too much TV .... :facepalm:

Actually ... The New Zealand Police motto is Safer Communities Together ... are you one of the many in NZ that dial 911 in and emergency .. ???

Well they're severely failing on that moto too... Shit thing is 911 actually works nowadays, welcome to the United States :shutup: I mean New Zealand

[FJRider]

.. Shit thing is 911 actually works nowadays ...

With the high number of people in New Zealand dialing 911 ... they (Telecom) changed the system to allow it .... :yes:



Who said TV has NO effect on your way of thinking ... ?? <_<

[rastuscat]

Same old thought came back to me today.

We decry the standard of driving in Noo Zeeland. Awful drivers, we say. Worst in the world.

Then we defend their right to go faster.

Darwinism in action. Let bad drivers go faster.

[FJRider]

Same old thought came back to me today.

We decry the standard of driving in Noo Zeeland. Awful drivers, we say. Worst in the world.

Then we defend their right to go faster.

Darwinism in action. Let bad drivers go faster.

It's not OUR own bad driving that might kill ... it's everyone Else's bad driving that is the problem ... :cool:

[rastuscat]

It's not OUR own bad driving that might kill ... it's everyone Else's bad driving that is the problem ... :cool:

Cool. That explains it.

Every crash is someone else's fault. And bad driving is done by everyone else.

Doesn't change the fact that if you're going a bit slower when someone else does bad driving to you you'll be better off.

[scumdog]

The 21st century syndrome - It's always 'somebody elses' fault and responsibility...:rolleyes:.

[awayatc]

Doesn't change the fact that if you're going a bit slower when someone else does bad driving to you you'll be better off.

Like having a discussion with a 3 year old......

if they would ever replace traffic cops with robots......we would never be able to tell the difference.....

Good boy rastus....you actualy believe the drivel you regurgitate....
well done....
teach is proud of her little pussycat......

[rastuscat]

Like having a discussion with a 3 year old......

if they would ever replace traffic cops with robots......we would never be able to tell the difference.....

Good boy rastus....you actualy believe the drivel you regurgitate....
well done....
teach is proud of her little pussycat......

So, I'm guessing you're suggesting it's better to be going faster when you hit something?

Of course, it's better not to crash at all, but given the virtual inevitability of it, is it really better to crash at higher speed?

[Scuba_Steve]

Same old thought came back to me today.

We decry the standard of driving in Noo Zeeland. Awful drivers, we say. Worst in the world.

Then we defend their right to go faster.

Darwinism in action. Let bad drivers go faster.

Yea well people constantly scanning for popo & watching their speedo in between coffee slurps don't exactly make for good drivers no; but they're a result of bad road management from licensing to road infrastructure to inforcement...

just remember in a few years (if you're still part of the popo gang) you'll probably be out arresting anyone riding a motorised bike based on the idea that they're dangerous then you'll be able to say

"we decry the cost to the ACC bikers incur, dangerous vehicles they are. Death machines

Then we defend their right to travel they way they want

Darwinism in action. Let people ride."


Just remember they'll try & ban bikes for the same reasons they're trying to kill "speed"

[Scuba_Steve]

So, I'm guessing you're suggesting it's better to be going faster when you hit something?

Of course, it's better not to crash at all, but given the virtual inevitability of it, is it really better to crash at higher speed?

if it's into another vehicle & the 2 vehicles are in all other ways equal then yes...
But still I like the idea severely decreasing chances of a crash by removing the speed scam

[scumdog]

Just remember they'll try & ban bikes for the same reasons they're trying to kill "speed"

They'll probably ban bikes first - bothersome unnecessary machines whos riders crash too frequently ergo cost the country far too much money. Pretty much sums it up eh?
And no, you can't try to say 'it's not always the riders fault' because that's irrelevant, they cost way to much regardless whose fault it is.

[Akzle]

the virtual inevitability of [crashing ]

see. Thats where i disagree.

Let darwin reign.

[R650R]

Every crash is someone else's fault. And bad driving is done by everyone else.

Doesn't change the fact that if you're going a bit slower when someone else does bad driving to you you'll be better off.

Now if you could just convince your superiors to ditch the expensive advertising agencies and the complicated proganda that is easily pulled apart; and just replace it with your statement above...

"Hi this is Rastus, internet biker dude and policeperson, just saying that if you're going a bit slower when someone else does bad driving to you you'll be better off. hmmm yeah that's about it, see you later"

I've nevr connected with any of the fancy road safety adds, its all so flash its easu to classify it as not real and ignore. Now those Russian dashcam vids, those make you wince... and think.

[jellywrestler]

So, I'm guessing you're suggesting it's better to be going faster when you hit something?

Of course, it's better not to crash at all, but given the virtual inevitability of it, is it really better to crash at higher speed?

a lot of the issues now is driver inattention due to boredom, and now paranoia about speeding leading to cluttered traffic doing silly stuff like someone trying to pass 6 cars at a time

[R650R]

a lot of the issues now is driver inattention due to boredom, and now paranoia about speeding leading to cluttered traffic doing silly stuff like someone trying to pass 6 cars at a time

Whats silly about that? if there all mucking about.... actually a recent incident for me and its one of those things that's happened before:

Your behind several vehicles, front car is hopeless and the two cars behind are not showing any inclination to overtake. You know the road so you line them up to pass one or two of them but not all three and slot into lineup.
Now halfway through the passing move the middle or front car panics and closes the gap leaving you hanging out to dry. Its either an emergency brake to go back to where you started or light it up and do the whole three...
People who do this should be treated the same as those who accelerate while being overtaken....

[kiwi cowboy]

Nah, that goes to far. I would like to see a trailer license for tandem axle or weight class trailers. I have to carry none to drive an artic why should joe consumer be allowed to tow any old rented crap without proving themselves competent? Any idiot can tow a 2x3. Lots can't reverse it. Put the garden waste on. No problem. Put furniture on without an understanding of weight distribution...



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Now this is a good thought right there not to mention the amount of cars towing loads too heavy for the rating on the towbar and car.

[GrayWolf]

Same old thought came back to me today.

We decry the standard of driving in Noo Zeeland. Awful drivers, we say. Worst in the world.

Then we defend their right to go faster.

Darwinism in action. Let bad drivers go faster.

So how about the Gubbermint expanding the (finally) training they are offereing to Motorcyclists through ACC sponsored training days?

Oh yes hang on, wasnt it one of your current Popo leaders predecessors that said giving training (IAM for example) leads to overconfident drivers?

bloody good safety message that (if its correct)?

[GrayWolf]

Geees you wern't at the front when they were handing out smarts, eh?

from the amount of loving red rep you give me, with words like c**t in them,
I'd say he was way ahead of you in the smarts queue
you really are a 4 yr old in an adults body....

[pritch]

That this thread has run so long but has now degenerated to a squabble is surprising. No, it's not surprising that it has degenerated, at least nobody has mentioned the Nazis yet. :Oops:

The only people that the reviewed tolerance will really effect are those who were planning on travelling between 100kph and 104kph. Fuck all of those on KB. :whistle:

[James Deuce]

Isn't unstuck a party member?

[unstuck]

Isn't unstuck a party member?

Which party? :shifty: