MotoGP 2019 [Archive] - Page 3

EJK

5th June 2019, 18:32

Your kidding right? :mellow:
I cannot watch the race live, so I avoid all possible spoiler sites, even stuff.co.nz just in case they discover there is sports outside of rugby, cricket and netball. The KB thread would be the LAST page I would visit if I do not want to see people discussing the latest race I had not watched yet!
MM will win the next one btw, Spoiler attack! :devil2:

I watched live so didn't miss anything.

Maybe it's just me, but even assuming people will make efforts to avoid spoilers at all cost, there could just be some people clicking on thread by habit or mistake? Shit happens.

I could blast out race results but always tend to think twice if my enthusiasm might spoil the fun for others.

Sorry for being all fucking sensible and shit.

SaferRides

6th June 2019, 02:08

I don't look at this thread until after I've watched the race.

Great last lap, I thought Dovi and Marquez were going to crash and then Petrucci went inside them. Wow.

Marquez actually crossed the line first to start the last lap. I'm sure that's filed away for future reference...

Autech

6th June 2019, 09:18

Been thinking about Dovi and his hit the front then slow it down tactics a bit, I'm wondering if that's even a good idea this year?
Previously he was able to do the rolling road block for most the lap then hit the rocket on the straight then outbrake anyone who happened to be near him. This year with the Honda's speed and other manufacturers closing the gap to them I'm not 100% sure he can get away with that anymore, he tried it in Mugello and ended up getting pushed and shoved around by the following mob.

Which brings the question, if Dovi no can no longer out brake and out accelerate the Honda, is he even in the running for the title this year? What other tricks does he have up his sleeve to beat MM?
Starting to think Ducati need to make a very hard call or two in the shape of who they want leading the challenge vs MM.

HenryDorsetCase

6th June 2019, 10:49

sugilite

6th June 2019, 10:52

Sorry for being all fucking sensible and shit.

Sensible is not visiting a MOTO GP thread on a motorcycling site if you don't want spoilers. You saw it live, you earned the right to come and talk about it and shit.

Autech

6th June 2019, 11:38

Petrucci and Rins.....

Rins is BAE! Watching him all out of shape on Sunday was awesome, great to see him throwing it down big style to make up for his slow bike.
Not sure on Petrux though, great rider but he's always going to be 80kgs and racing midgets.
Miller and Bags is my bet, providing Gigi can provide a bike that can beat MM now, they had the bike the last few years but Dovi failed to capitalise, now they don't have the bike it'll be up to the riders to make the difference. They'd have to arsehole Dovi though which doesn't make sense as he's always up there, just not quite there. Hence my call on hard decisions, loyalty may be holding them back. If they'd kept JL this year maybe we'd be talking about a JL domination...

HenryDorsetCase

6th June 2019, 12:09

Rins is BAE! Watching him all out of shape on Sunday was awesome, great to see him throwing it down big style to make up for his slow bike.
Not sure on Petrux though, great rider but he's always going to be 80kgs and racing midgets.
Miller and Bags is my bet, providing Gigi can provide a bike that can beat MM now, they had the bike the last few years but Dovi failed to capitalise, now they don't have the bike it'll be up to the riders to make the difference. They'd have to arsehole Dovi though which doesn't make sense as he's always up there, just not quite there. Hence my call on hard decisions, loyalty may be holding them back. If they'd kept JL this year maybe we'd be talking about a JL domination...

JL is probably thinking the same thing after being 13th......... and currently 14th in the championship. It was always going to be a tough year for him but it must be fucking hard to get out of bed some mornings....

pritch

6th June 2019, 12:48

Somebody asked if the Yamaha engineers had gone to sleep or similar. The man at the top was replaced, but IIRC they are stuck with their engines for the season as the engines are all sealed.

Dovi may be copping some unjust criticism here, apparently the Ducati still does not like to change direction.

F5 Dave

6th June 2019, 13:23

Dovi has had to live in the shadow of MM. He tried to control the race and it was probably still a good tactic. He then pulled the pin about 6 laps to go. It could have worked but they were all riding exceptionally.

Stuck to the same engine Yamaha are sunk and Suzuki need some more mumbo to see if Rinns can stick with MM in every cct.

Indeed a shame Whorehey jumped. Maybe they need to work on sticker placement to get him back to On-It.

george formby

7th June 2019, 22:10

I just watched Moto 3.:gob:

SaferRides

8th June 2019, 08:41

I just watched Moto 3.:gob:Mugello must be slipstream heaven.

roogazza

11th June 2019, 17:35

Get ready for Catalunya this weekend.

#93 will be hungry !

Go Valentino !!!! This ones gotta be a better effort surely ?
(and don't call me Shirley !!).:banana::msn-wink:

BMWST?

11th June 2019, 18:55

i reckons Rins will be too

pritch

11th June 2019, 19:32

And now for something completely different...

I'd have thought English the common language of the GP paddock but not always apparently.

A keen eared viewer noted that Marquez appeared to be speaking Italian to the other riders in parc ferme following the Mugello GP. Inquiries were made, and I think it was David Emmett responded, Spanish speakers can apparently make themselves understood in Italian but Italians can't normally speak Spanish - unless they learn it.

Today I was talking to a European friend and I mentioned this to her. She has working knowledge of both languages, she suggested that it's likely because Italian is the "mother" of both languages.

george formby

11th June 2019, 19:39

Mugello must be slipstream heaven.

Or hell. At times it was almost uncomfortable watching the race and the finish disturbed the neighbours. Mental.

BMWST?

15th June 2019, 11:16

combined times after fp1 and 2 Some surprises there MM really going for a race setup it seems

Top 10 combined:
1. Fabio Quartararo (Petronas Yamaha SRT) ? 1:40.803
2. Andrea Dovizioso (Mission Winnow Ducati) + 0.281
3. Takaaki Nakagami (LCR Honda Idemitsu) + 0.302
4. Pol Espargaro (Red Bull KTM Factory Racing) + 0.314
5. Francesco Bagnaia (Pramac Racing) + 0.392
6. Franco Morbideilli (Petronas Yamaha SRT) + 0.438
7. Valentino Rossi (Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) + 0.441
8. Danilo Petrucci (Mission Winnow Ducati) + 0.520
9. Marc Marquez (Repsol Honda Team) + 0.613
10. Cal Crutchlow (LCR Honda Castrol) + 0.623

BMWST?

15th June 2019, 11:18

fp2 times a bit different than of late

GRAN PREMI MONSTER ENERGY DE CATALUNYAMotoGP Free Practice Nr. 2 Classification 2019 (http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2019/CAT/MotoGP/FP2/Classification.pdf?v1_670f06a6)

Barcelona, Friday, June 14, 2019

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Pos.
Num.
Rider
Nation
Team
Bike
Km/h
Time
Gap 1st/Prev.

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1
20
Fabio QUARTARARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Fabio+Quartararo)
FRA
Petronas Yamaha SRT
Yamaha
329.2
1'40.079

2
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Dovizioso)
ITA
Mission Winnow Ducati
Ducati
340.4
1'40.360
0.281 / 0.281

3
30
Takaaki NAKAGAMI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Takaaki+Nakagami)
JPN
LCR Honda IDEMITSU
Honda
334.5
1'40.381
0.302 / 0.021

4
44
Pol ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Pol+Espargaro)
SPA
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
KTM
338.6
1'40.393
0.314 / 0.012

5
63
Francesco BAGNAIA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Francesco+Bagnaia)
ITA
Pramac Racing
Ducati
335.8
1'40.471
0.392 / 0.078

6
21
Franco MORBIDELLI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Franco+Morbidelli)
ITA
Petronas Yamaha SRT
Yamaha
330.6
1'40.517
0.438 / 0.046

7
46
Valentino ROSSI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Valentino+Rossi)
ITA
Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha
331.4
1'40.520
0.441 / 0.003

8
9
Danilo PETRUCCI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Danilo+Petrucci)
ITA
Mission Winnow Ducati
Ducati
339.8
1'40.599
0.520 / 0.079

9
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Cal+Crutchlow)
GBR
LCR Honda CASTROL
Honda
339.9
1'40.702
0.623 / 0.103

10
42
Alex RINS (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alex+Rins)
SPA
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
333.6
1'40.727
0.648 / 0.025

11
17
Karel ABRAHAM (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Karel+Abraham)
CZE
Reale Avintia Racing
Ducati
339.5
1'40.727
0.648

12
5
Johann ZARCO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Johann+Zarco)
FRA
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
KTM
334.5
1'40.771
0.692 / 0.044

13
99
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
336.7
1'40.816
0.737 / 0.045

14
12
Maverick VI?ALES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Maverick+Vi%C3%B1ales)
SPA
Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha
335.1
1'40.847
0.768 / 0.031

15
41
Aleix ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Aleix+Espargaro)
SPA
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini
Aprilia
334.1
1'40.878
0.799 / 0.031

16
43
Jack MILLER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jack+Miller)
AUS
Pramac Racing
Ducati
338.8
1'40.948
0.869 / 0.070

17
93
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
342.0
1'40.963
0.884 / 0.015

18
53
Tito RABAT (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Tito+Rabat)
SPA
Reale Avintia Racing
Ducati
337.1
1'41.007
0.928 / 0.044

19
36
Joan MIR (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Joan+Mir)
SPA
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
338.3
1'41.070
0.991 / 0.063

20
88
Miguel OLIVEIRA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Miguel+Oliveira)
POR
Red Bull KTM Tech 3
KTM
336.1
1'41.331
1.252 / 0.261

21
29
Andrea IANNONE (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Iannone)
ITA
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini
Aprilia
334.1
1'41.524
1.445 / 0.193

22
55
Hafizh SYAHRIN (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Hafizh+Syahrin)
MAL
Red Bull KTM Tech 3
KTM
332.7
1'41.527
1.448 / 0.003

23
50
Sylvain GUINTOLI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Sylvain+Guintoli)
FRA
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
335.4
1'41.987
1.908 / 0.460

24
38
Bradley SMITH (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Bradley+Smith)
GBR
Aprilia Racing Team
Aprilia
336.5
1'42.156
2.077 / 0.16

</tbody>

Dadpole

15th June 2019, 11:29

There are a couple lower in that result who have ignored a fast lap in favour of good consistent lap times. EG: MM and Rins. The forecast indicates that a fast FP1 or 2 time is not needed and FP3 will be the crunch time. Nature has buggered that cunning plan on occasion though.

mulletman

16th June 2019, 02:49

11 days or so after his arm pump surgery and Fabio gets another Pole

pritch

16th June 2019, 12:25

BMWST?

16th June 2019, 13:45

Neil Spalding who writes the "MotoGP Technology" books was in the commentary box during FP4 and/or The GP qualifying. He's very interesting to listen to. He says Yamaha have two chassis designers with the team. Yamaha are convinced they have missed something, so these guys stalk pit lane with cameras watching what everybody else is doing. The Yamahas can do a fast lap but Spalders doesn't think they can go fast for race distance.

He was also saying that the Ducatis still won't turn. Dovi mentions it frequently, and Miller compensates with heavy use of the back brake. Spalding thinks that Ducati could probably make the bike turn but fear they would lose somewhere else.

He also comments on the Honda frame/ air intake, if you haven't watched it yet he's well worth a listen. He's the one who sounds just a bit posh when he speaks.

the sound is lacking for me.if i turn it up to make him audible then the others,and the background noise causes SWMBO to raise her eyebrows.....thats a consequences of many many kilometres of motorbiking and advancing years I guess.......I liked the bit he was taing about the relocation of the Honda air box so the frame can be a bit more"bendy"(his words).He is intersting alright.A turning of the tides perhaps,loys of youngsters up there,and it looks like JL is starting to make the bike work for him.some new fairing bits and so on are next .I think he has a newer fairing but isuspect some add on peices may be coming so he can brace himself better on braking.Sounds like he doesnt like to have to brace himself during the turn in cos his silky smooth style needs silky smooth inputs(my take on it)

Autech

16th June 2019, 14:49

Bloody hard one to call. I am hoping I get to watch it as I am currently at the airport and might be traveling between Dunedin and Invercargil during the race.
I will take a punt though, I think Rins might be on for another win, MM for another terrible result of 2nd and Rossi in 3rd.
Going to be an awesome race

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SPman

17th June 2019, 02:03

Oh.....well done George. Go back to your corner with a dunce cap on....:eek5:

mulletman

17th June 2019, 07:32

Oh.....well done George. Go back to your corner with a dunce cap on....:eek5:

Yeah it was looking like a promising race....tyre life would've buggered a few up later on tho.

pritch

17th June 2019, 09:01

Oh.....well done George. Go back to your corner with a dunce cap on....:eek5:

Yeah, like he was thinking, "If I can't win it nobody will."

roogazza

17th June 2019, 09:39

A few pissed off front runners after #99's effort. :yes:

Autech

17th June 2019, 11:03

Shit accident but I don't think JL was over the limit. He was passing MV. Ahead MM was passing AD, AD parked the bike to try and cut back on MM and JL was already committed too much to not hit him but gave it a shot anyways.

Meanwhile the luckiest rider MGP has ever had avoids the whole thing and fucks off into the distance. Game set match lol.

Only guy I saw that might have had something for MM was being held up by the other rolling road block. Frustrating to watch Rins but fun battle as a result, brave of Rins to try and barge big boy Petrux off line.

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Warr

17th June 2019, 11:04

A few pissed off front runners after #99's effort. :yes:

A man with 19 points stuffs up others much closer to contesting 93
Instead 93 amasses even more points to becoming un-contestable :(

Dadpole

17th June 2019, 12:10

A man with 19 points stuffs up others much closer to contesting 93
Instead 93 amasses even more points to becoming un-contestable :(

We call that 'The perfect team mate'. :nya:

EJK

17th June 2019, 13:22

We call that 'The perfect team mate'. :nya:

Lorenzo: "Dnt worry Marc, I got u bro!"

Autech

18th June 2019, 15:51

Been thinking about Dovi and his hit the front then slow it down tactics a bit, I'm wondering if that's even a good idea this year?
Previously he was able to do the rolling road block for most the lap then hit the rocket on the straight then outbrake anyone who happened to be near him. This year with the Honda's speed and other manufacturers closing the gap to them I'm not 100% sure he can get away with that anymore, he tried it in Mugello and ended up getting pushed and shoved around by the following mob.

Can I say I saw this coming? Dovi will need to rethink his go slow strategy me's thinks, he certainly wasn't pushing 100% from the beginning as MM was all over him.

BMWST?

18th June 2019, 20:06

i watched the incident quite a few times...Dovi looked like he has overcooked it slightly he was slightly backing it in,and MM took the opportunity to take the iside line.You can see that MV was gaining on AD too and JL was gaining slightly on MV.Dovi then starts to turn in a bit and JL is on a collision course so he squeezes the fron t brake just a bit too much.
It was a real pity that that happened,for this race AND the championship.MV looked really fired up and JL already in 4th...what a race it could have been!.
Bodes well for the rest of the year tho.

pritch

19th June 2019, 09:33

Coupla things from overnight: Somebody noticed an extra two finger lever on the left handle bar of a BSB bike and asked the question. It seems this is so common it's the new normal. Many GP riders have this now, some WSB riders including VdM, and now it's in BSB. The riders don't use the clutch much between the start and the finish of the race so the rear brake lever has moved to the left handle bar below the clutch.

Simon Crafar posted this pic on Twitter. A Japanese gent took exception, and someone took exception to his exception, so Simon deleted his post. Not before it was preserved for posterity though. On a technical note, I was wondering if they were actually kamikaze pilots, they appear to be wearing parachutes. Still, it was funny.

merv

19th June 2019, 09:44

pritch

19th June 2019, 09:53

Mick Doohan had the thumb brake after his leg injury early on and I remember Aaron Slight tried it on the RC45 and others have since so the principle isn't new but perhaps using a full normal style lever is.

That, and the fact that it seems to be near universal now 'cause they don't need a clutch during the race. That pic is Rossi's bike and the photo was taken during the test so it's not known if he'll use one next race day.

roogazza

19th June 2019, 17:44

That, and the fact that it seems to be near universal now 'cause they don't need a clutch during the race. That pic is Rossi's bike and the photo was taken during the test so it's not known if he'll use one next race day.

Bring on Assen ! Those pesky Yamahas could be working better there. <_< :yes:

steveyb

20th June 2019, 13:16

That, and the fact that it seems to be near universal now 'cause they don't need a clutch during the race. That pic is Rossi's bike and the photo was taken during the test so it's not known if he'll use one next race day.

That explains how they back in the bike into right hand corners, ie when the right leg is dangling off and the bike is still backing in. Rear braking with the hand. Nice.

pritch

21st June 2019, 11:50

There has apparently been some discussion about Crutchlow's faulty tyre. I missed that so far, but Ben Spies posted this picture of a tyre that he raced to the finish of a MotoGP race. "Nobody said we were smart."

pritch

25th June 2019, 19:28

Guys hereabout used to bang on about getting a knee down. Things have moved on somewhat. That's Bagnaia.

Dadpole

25th June 2019, 20:19

Guys hereabout used to bang on about getting a knee down. Things have moved on somewhat. That's Bagnaia.

I only got a knee down when things went horribly wrong.

Roll on Assen. I still feel robbed of a good race last time out....

sugilite

26th June 2019, 02:19

Guys hereabout used to bang on about getting a knee down. Things have moved on somewhat. That's Bagnaia.
He should be sacked for lying down on the job! :laugh:

Grumph

26th June 2019, 06:18

Guys hereabout used to bang on about getting a knee down. Things have moved on somewhat. That's Bagnaia.

Did he start out as a sidecar passenger ? I'd like to see him try that on the ripple strips common here....

Drew

26th June 2019, 10:23

Did he start out as a sidecar passenger ? I'd like to see him try that on the ripple strips common here....

He'd break a hip at Ruapuna

jato

26th June 2019, 18:37

weather is looking decent the whole weekend for assen. we might have a repeat of last years show, if you are on any sort of meds it might pay to have them handy when the lights go out... Rossi could make a fleeting comeback.

Dadpole

26th June 2019, 21:51

Rossi could make a fleeting comeback.

I want to see him win at least one more before hanging up his leathers. If only to watch the Rossi haters fizz. :woohoo:

roogazza

27th June 2019, 10:26

I want to see him win at least one more before hanging up his leathers. If only to watch the Rossi haters fizz. :woohoo:

We should see the 4 Yamahas fighting at the front in Assen...... ?

Go Valentino !!!! Keen to see what the new engine is like for 2020 .I saw mentioned it may appear for Brno ???? :banana::msn-wink:

pritch

27th June 2019, 12:09

All the news is about a heatwave for Europe. The IoM TT organisers could have used that instead of all the rain they had.

Autech

29th June 2019, 13:27

Fabio looking fast asf again, if it weren't for the fact hes up against so many good riders on better bikes he might be able to win a few.

Poor JL is taking some hits of late, hope he's not going down the Pedrosa path where they stack up too much forcing a retirement.

Race prediction:
I actually think MM may DNF this one, without the front end feel of last year he's going to be on the edge matching the Yams and Suzukis cornering abilities. Going to be another awesome race no doubt though. Here's hoping Rins can get another win :)

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sugilite

29th June 2019, 15:35

Hell, looks like this Honda is out to end Jlos career :shit:

I would like to see either Rossi or Quartararo take the win please. :yes:

BMWST?

29th June 2019, 15:39

mm has a buffer of points.The fact that there are so many fast riders now will help MM.Three or four riders ahead of dovi and rossi will make a bad place not so bad

Autech

29th June 2019, 16:50

mm has a buffer of points.The fact that there are so many fast riders now will help MM.Three or four riders ahead of dovi and rossi will make a bad place not so badWill be interesting to see how he plays this one, I think after last years mental race he will forget the championship by turn 1 and have some fun. That's the key to Rossi and MM success I think, they love the battles and the racing, if you can have fun at work is it really work?
I love watching the riders talking amongst themselves after the race with the usual hand gestures etc

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BMWST?

29th June 2019, 18:09

Will be interesting to see how he plays this one, I think after last years mental race he will forget the championship by turn 1 and have some fun. That's the key to Rossi and MM success I think, they love the battles and the racing, if you can have fun at work is it really work?
I love watching the riders talking amongst themselves after the race with the usual hand gestures etc

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yes there is no mistaking which sport they are involved in,just like our descriptions of this turn or that wobble

Autech

29th June 2019, 18:15

yes there is no mistaking which sport they are involved in,just like our descriptions of this turn or that wobbleUniversal for all riders and racers :)

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pritch

29th June 2019, 21:27

From Mat Oxley

Rossi's best FP3 lap has been cancelled because he ran onto the green 'no-go zone' exiting the final chicane; so he will have to qualify from Q1

pritch

29th June 2019, 22:09

The evidence

Autech

30th June 2019, 13:24

Going to stick with my prediction of the Yams vs Rins for the race tonight. Rins usually looks after his tyres and has more engine than the yams so may just pull off the win this year.
MM did not look comfortable in qualifying so short of some huge set up changes he's going to have to bide his time and hope to beat em on the last lap

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Autech

30th June 2019, 13:40

How good is Fabio to watch when he's on the limit?
Mental bravery

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BMWST?

30th June 2019, 14:15

How good is Fabio to watch when he's on the limit?
Mental bravery

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he is sensational isnt he,i mean he is taking them all apart,a rookie on an "old" bike.Its going to get worse for the old boys,i reckon Mir is on the improve now.So that is fabio,morbidelli,rins,and perhaps now Mir that the "factory" riders may be beaten by id they have a bad day.so a bad day may now mean 10th instead of 6th.Throw in Cruthlow,Nakagami ,and miller(not to mention Bagnaia) and it could be 1 point insead of 12

sugilite

30th June 2019, 14:40

How good is Fabio to watch when he's on the limit?
Mental bravery

And what is it, just the one crash in his whole motogp career so far? So he is still very much in control even while clearly on the edge - very, very impressive :yes:

Autech

30th June 2019, 16:21

And what is it, just the one crash in his whole motogp career so far? So he is still very much in control even while clearly on the edge - very, very impressive :yes:That's what sells it for me, MM spent years going over the edge to find it, FQ seems to toe it very safely.

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roogazza

1st July 2019, 07:59

Some pretty good racing in all three classes in Assen.
Poor old Vale went down fast and hard.
At least the Ducs couldn't use their 300 hp !! :msn-wink:

sugilite

1st July 2019, 08:32

The Motogp class was brutal with a bunch of riders out there that need wheel barrows to carry those huge nut sacks around in - bloody hell! Poor old Rins was looking good, until he wasn't. Thought Quartararo was going to run away until his bike started tank slapping every time he hit the straight :shit: Imagine try to hold onto that while still recovering from a arm operation! I'm still waiting to see what that was all about, I was wondering if the steering dampener broke, or if they made a last minute change to the geometry that went just a bit to far on the wild side! (Update, just read he blames cross winds, and himself for taking the wrong lines - a rider taking responsibility? very promising rider this guy) Vinales deserved that win, wonder if he can maintain that momentum now? And MM - holy hell, by far the best rider on the planet right now. Bike does not suit track at all, trying to toss him off all over the show, leading the championship by a country mile with a track he has dominated at for 8 years coming up next week - so time to back off a bit and take it easy? Like hell! He clearly has no cruise control switch, just the full speed ahead damn the engines setting - so impressive :yes:

Autech

1st July 2019, 10:17

Alex, why you do this to me???? :crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:
Looked like he asked a bit too much trail braking with all that fuel on board, he was in control though so big shame, been looking forward to a proper duel tween the Suzuki and Yamaha. Great to see Mir in the mix, he's been plodding away quietly as per Suzuki's plan building up speed every week.

Those head shakes on the FQ's bike were scary, he had them in qualifying but I think the wind made them a lot worse. We need to remember that while he may be on a close to factory bike, he'll have a lot less engineers in his team than say MV, so winning on a Sat bike isn't going to be easy even when its a really good one, he did bloody well! Maybe with a few more engineers behind him they'd have picked up on the head shakes and found a way for him to avoid them in the data...

MM had another bad result... 2 riders in front of Dovi and with Rins on the ground... Unstoppable I think. I am taking heart at Folgers almost beating of MM at Sach ring a few years back that one of the Yamaha boys might give him a run next weekend, fingers crossed as we need it to be interesting. Looks like there are a few ready to step up and take it to him though, Dovi is right they need to pressure him into a mistake, he was able to cruise into 2nd place based off his race strategy this time round, he's not going to crash unless Dovi is putting the red mist into him.

pritch

1st July 2019, 22:37

I was wondering if the steering dampener broke, or if they made a last minute change to the geometry that went just a bit to far on the wild side!

Yeah Simon Crafar commented on that during the race, the other commentators had asked him what was going on. Which was all very interesting, but I don't understand why it didn't happen to everybody else.

That Moto2 race was incident packed. Here's hoping the KTMs can keep improving.

roogazza

3rd July 2019, 11:40

Been practicing on playstation at Sachenring. Yamahas should be good round there....
C'mon Vale pull finger and get a bit of luck !!!!!:yes: :msn-wink:

sugilite

3rd July 2019, 11:57

Yeah Simon Crafar commented on that during the race, the other commentators had asked him what was going on. Which was all very interesting, but I don't understand why it didn't happen to everybody else.

That Moto2 race was incident packed. Here's hoping the KTMs can keep improving.
Funnily enough, I watched the moto2 race for the first time since they went triumph - wowee! Great race, and brutal! I watched it because Gardner Jr had qualified on pole and I wanted to feel old watching Wayne's son lol Looks like the occasion got on top of him a little. Hopefully he will finally get there :yes:

Autech

3rd July 2019, 13:07

Funnily enough, I watched the moto2 race for the first time since they went triumph - wowee! Great race, and brutal! I watched it because Gardner Jr had qualified on pole and I wanted to feel old watching Wayne's son lol Looks like the occasion got on top of him a little. Hopefully he will finally get there :yes:He's good at throwing it at the scenery, shown signs of brilliance this year at least.
Moto2 was a great race for sure

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jato

3rd July 2019, 21:12

Been practicing on playstation at Sachenring. Yamahas should be good round there....
C'mon Vale pull finger and get a bit of luck !!!!!:yes: :msn-wink:

Sadly its getting less likely that we'll see rossi or lorenzo featuring much more - there are too many aliens in the way now , even dovisioso seems to be struggling to fend them off lately.

Dadpole

3rd July 2019, 22:44

there are too many aliens in the way now

The new boys are coming and even Marquez will be looking over his shoulder soon. The wave of talent arriving in the next couple of years will make him feel like Rossi did when the young guard arrived.

On a positive note: Moto-E gets the first outing this weekend.:banana: Whatever you feel about E-bikes, you must admit that another race can only be good. The lineup of riders is certainly interesting too.

steveyb

4th July 2019, 12:56

The new boys are coming and even Marquez will be looking over his shoulder soon. The wave of talent arriving in the next couple of years will make him feel like Rossi did when the young guard arrived.

On a positive note: Moto-E gets the first outing this weekend.:banana: Whatever you feel about E-bikes, you must admit that another race can only be good. The lineup of riders is certainly interesting too.

Agree and agree. MotoE won't be really exciting I think, but will certainly be interesting and intriguing, something different and a glimpse into the future.

pritch

4th July 2019, 14:33

Sad news from Japan, Mitsuo Itoh has died. You might need to be getting on a bit to remember him, a Suzuki factory rider from 1961 he was the first and only Japanese rider to win an IoM TT. His whole working life was spent with Suzuki, including a period with Kevin Schwantz's GP effort.

roogazza

5th July 2019, 08:23

Petrucci re signed for next year !!!!! Now , no holding back from passing Dovi ! :yes: :msn-wink:

mulletman

5th July 2019, 09:56

Petrucci re signed for next year !!!!! Now , no holding back from passing Dovi ! :yes: :msn-wink:

I see Danillo is sitting his motorbike licence next week to :clap:

Autech

7th July 2019, 11:35

Marc will win it tonight.
Fab, Vin and Rins will scrap for the remaining places.

After watching quali last night I think its time Ducati give Miller Dovis seat, he can make a bike turn that doesn't want to turn, I remember in Moto3 his ability to place a bike exactly where he wanted it impressed me big time. Seems Dovi is trying to think his way around it when Miller just bends it to his will, doesn't always work but with full factory support he might just be the guy they need.

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BMWST?

7th July 2019, 11:59

Dovi certainly seems to be struggling,i think the duc has stood relativley still whilst yamaha,honda,and suzuki have improved.Honda especially seem to be able to improve the bike throughout the season and i am impressed that only in the first part of the season they are already trying new frames to improve the already new frame.Whilst MM is the major part of the equation Honda themselves always seem to react to what their team is saying.And MMs team is also a major part of his success.

mulletman

7th July 2019, 20:26

1 tyre compound for dry 1 for wet, they only have to last 10 laps...

speights_bud

7th July 2019, 20:39

1 tyre compound for dry 1 for wet, they only have to last 10 laps...Rubber rubber everywhere... Did you see the rear tyre on board of Smith? Woohoo crayon time.

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speights_bud

7th July 2019, 20:42

Dovi certainly seems to be struggling,i think the duc has stood relativley still whilst yamaha,honda,and suzuki have improved.Honda especially seem to be able to improve the bike...

I was listening to the on board videos during the practice sessions. I think the Honda might be running the crankcase in a vacuum. Just a theory, but there was a definite pump/actuator noise through the the tail when the team turn the bike on and off.

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pritch

11th July 2019, 10:38

Overnight Mat Oxley posted a video clip of a Honda team 8 Hour pit stop. I can't link to it but I found another one on Youtube. The part that takes the longest time is the gas fill. The word rapid doesn't cover it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWdavj2S-30&frags=pl%2Cwn

Autech

11th July 2019, 11:02

This annoys me, last year up to silverstone Rabat was up there doing good work, it's only because his horrific crash that this year he's been struggling IMO, he's starting to come good now but his team want to ditch him? Dumb. Motogp have a lot to answer for in allowing riders out on track there.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/925225/1/points-rabat-2020-rumours-grow#block-load-comments-ajax-load-comments-ajax

Shame BB wont get a Moto2 title as he deserves it, there's no way Alex would be on top right now if he was on a Kalex but this should push things forward a bit at KTM, BB is one of my all time favs of recent years. Only issue I see is the factory is going to have some hard calls to make as both Olivera and Binder are possibly more capable than Zarco and to a lesser degree Pol... Someone's losing a seat in 21.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/925246/1/binder-replace-syahrin-red-bull-ktm-tech3-2020

pritch

11th July 2019, 14:36

Someone's losing a seat in 21.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/925246/1/binder-replace-syahrin-red-bull-ktm-tech3-2020

The pundit I read this morning suggested Syahrin and Binder are swapping places.

And yes, tough on Rabat if he is losing his ride, he has worked really hard.

Autech

14th July 2019, 09:02

Can the brits do anything right?
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/925450/1/ricciardo-motogp-riders-won-t-silverstone-resurfacing#block-load-comments-ajax-load-comments-ajax

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roogazza

1st August 2019, 13:07

At last, Brno this weekend ! :jerry: :wari: :niceone:

jato

1st August 2019, 18:11

The summer break is pretty tough on us dedicated fans... can't wait to see them back at it. I've never been to czecho but mates that have a few years back reckoned its one of the best for atmosphere, most of 200,000 in attendance.

BMWST?

1st August 2019, 22:10

Rabat has resigned with avintia for another 2 years.

Dadpole

1st August 2019, 22:59

Rabat has resigned with avintia for another 2 years.

That is good news. That lad has a work ethic that would put many to shame. I don't see him as a podium contender, but a better bike will push him closer to the pointy end.

pritch

3rd August 2019, 10:14

Autech

3rd August 2019, 10:57

There seems to be a lot of chat at Brno about this being the last Czech GP. That would be sad, it's a good one. This year the track is bumpy but that can be fixed. If they're going to drop a GP I'd rather it was a Spanish one.Welcome back team

Yeah bloody oath, the 3 tracks riders seem to love the most are Assen, Phillip Island and Brno. To lose Brno would be a bloody shame as its one of my favs to watch.
Love racing it on my SIM set up too

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mulletman

4th August 2019, 04:28

MM and JM showed big balls in Q2 and deserved their front row and JZ taking third.

MM & JM first in to get slicks on during the last few mins in Q2 then get rained on in th last corner before the finish line,
exciting stuff watching them squirming about and wondering if they had made the right choice...

BMWST?

4th August 2019, 11:14

it seems most of the riders dont seem to mind the bumps and i didnt notice the bumps in fp4 and qualifying.MM rubbed their noses in it,e caught and passed Fabio like he was stoppped.Not to surprising i suppose one of the lads first outings in mixed conditions.Miller not backwards in expressing his respect for MM.I have come to beleive that MM has a reaction speed unmatched in the paddock.Something perhaps learned because of all those deliberate pushing the envelope in "safe practise" crashes.

mulletman

4th August 2019, 13:10

Mamola style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvUhfejgpuU

Autech

4th August 2019, 16:46

Prediction tonight:
Zarco finds a way to knock someone off while working his way to the back of the pack to finish behind Olivera
Marquez has a big show down with Dovi for the win

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onearmedbandit

4th August 2019, 18:42

caught and passed Fabio like he was stoppped.Not to surprising i suppose one of the lads first outings in mixed conditions.

MM was on slicks at that stage of qual, FQ was on wets still.

Autech

5th August 2019, 00:06

That BMW does sound bloody good

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sugilite

5th August 2019, 07:19

Prediction tonight:
Zarco finds a way to knock someone off while working his way to the back of the pack

Uncanny! It only took him a few corners to make your prediction come true!

MM is just way, way too good. Hard to see anyone else winning a championship anytime soon.

Autech

5th August 2019, 09:57

Uncanny! It only took him a few corners to make your prediction come true!

MM is just way, way too good. Hard to see anyone else winning a championship anytime soon.Haha yup, I know Zarco! He knows that there are some very talented riders in KTMs program ready to snap up his seat and its taking its toll on him.

Great rides by Pol and Olivera, that KTM is getting better with DPs subtle hand.

MM is only just reaching full stride, until some better riders get onto the factory Ducatis or JL gets uninjured no one will stop him

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roogazza

5th August 2019, 10:14

Bit of a weather and tyre race for me.
Qual also put Zarco where he hasn't been.

So for me, I fast forwarded lots of it . #93 just too good anyway !
(hey, little brother is finding his feet in Moto2 ?).

Yamaha are supposed to be testing a new engine starting today ? :rolleyes:

pritch

5th August 2019, 10:19

So for me, I fast forwarded lots of it . #93 just too good anyway !
(hey, little brother is finding his feet in Moto2 ?).

He is, but primarily because the KTM is a bit of a dog. If the KTM was better Marquez minor would get a good view of the back of Brad Binder's bike.

I got sick of watching the safety cars circulating and went to bed. It wasn't one of the great races but was pleased for Miller.

roogazza

5th August 2019, 11:09

He is, but primarily because the KTM is a bit of a dog. If the KTM was better Marquez minor would get a good view of the back of Brad Binder's bike.

I got sick of watching the safety cars circulating and went to bed. It wasn't one of the great races but was pleased for Miller.

Yeah pritch watched the first two races ,then as the commentators started talking about rain falling I copied the rest..... allowing for a cock up in coverage as well hahaha.

merv

5th August 2019, 15:08

This photo kind of says it all too, poor old Zarco was already losing out as Marc and Jack blasted away from the start.

https://photos.motogp.com/2019/08/04/e-7498.gallery_full_top_fullscreen.jpg

merv

5th August 2019, 15:24

Interesting dilemma Yamaha has, with Rossi still grizzling about top speed.

Race analysis http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2019/CZE/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v1_10c933e7 shows interesting results.

I'm not sure where they measure top speed for the race exactly but Marc's top speed all race was 307.6, Dovi 314.8, Jack 313.9 and Rossi 306.8.

It just shows that Marc must be just going on average way faster than the Ducs if he is giving away 6 or 7 km/hr on top at this track. I think Marc has said before the faster you go on the straight you then have to be able to slow down harder to take the corner so there is plenty of balancing out involved. If the Yamahas really are meant to be corner carver machines how come Rossi isn't doing better when his bike wasn't that much slower than the Honda?

Maverick was shown as reaching 307.6, identical to Marc.

BMWST?

5th August 2019, 22:15

interesting stat came to light after the podium.MM has a 42 percent conversion rate ie he wins 42 percent of the races he starts in...somebody will have to be better than that to beat him.42 percent! thats nearly 1 in 2!
And you can see why.He pushes to the absolute limit.ALL the time

Cosmik de Bris

6th August 2019, 13:42

Oscar

6th August 2019, 15:21

https://photos.motogp.com/2019/04/15/marquez.middle.jpg?version=1564753723%201x

Funny podium...

onearmedbandit

6th August 2019, 17:05

yes, and the last 15 races in 1st or 2nd, and on the podium in the last 19.

Cheers

Funny podium...

I think the actual stat is 'last 19 races he finished' which is still a considerable feat.

merv

6th August 2019, 19:26

Funny podium...

Lol, except that one Oscar. Shame really he owned that race until then. I suppose there was some truth in the engine brake story because it was an early race for the new more powerful engine, and he hasn't done it since :2thumbsup

Drew

7th August 2019, 06:39

Cancelled Motogp recording. It's just boring these days.

Dadpole

7th August 2019, 08:35

Cancelled Motogp recording. It's just boring these days.

They should use MotoGP as a support race for Moto3. That is the one that has me jumping around and shouting the most. (The Petrucci win excepted)

pritch

7th August 2019, 08:40

Cancelled Motogp recording. It's just boring these days.

That's a seriously short memory. Brno this year wasn't one of the greats it's true, but there has been some good racing.

merv

7th August 2019, 13:13

Cancelled Motogp recording. It's just boring these days.

The racing these days has been made close compared to the past though as it is very rare for anyone to get lapped though that was quite common back in the days of the 500s.

At Brno the first 10 were within about 16 seconds and all 20 finishers within about 48 seconds. The problem is though one guy is just streets ahead of the rest and after his crash at Austin him and Honda seem to have sorted out the issue and he seems to perform no matter what the circuit.

I'm looking forward to Austria to see if the Honda really does have the legs compared to the Ducatis at that track. Last year Lorenzo won that race with Marc a close second and Dovi not much further back. Now if only Lorenzo wasn't injured and had jelled better with the Honda maybe there could have been some closer racing.

See this attached file, I screen grabbed the figures off the MotoGP site to just do a quick comparison of the Mugello race in 1998 when Mick Doohan won versus this year when Petrucci won and in 1985 when Spencer won versus 1992 when Schwantz won. Much closer racing these days.

BMWST?

7th August 2019, 20:36

i just cant agree that its boring.I think that is something that is easily said afterwards.But you never quite know whats going to happen.Wether its another save of the century,a crash, or what.

Drew

8th August 2019, 07:50

roogazza

8th August 2019, 10:55

I felt the same when it was just watching the Rossi show.

Without someone to back that has a serious shot at the title, it's just not my bag.

I'll prolly still watch if for no other reason than watching Rins develop the Suzuki.

I like that Rins is having a crack at MM. That and the young Yamaha guys !
( hope they get improvements soon.).

Autech

8th August 2019, 11:35

Rins, Mir, Quatararo and Miller all have the ability to take it to MM I think, problem is they don't have the bikes underneath them to do it just yet. Unless JL bonds with the Honda or some better riders get on the Duke next year its going to be another MM show.

Great to watch MM mature so much though

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pritch

8th August 2019, 22:12

Silly season has kicked off in fine style. Somebody saw Lorenzo's manager talking to a Ducati rep.
So from that:
Lorenzo is going to Pramac
Miller is going to Aruba Ducati (WSBK) or
Scott Redding is going to Aruba or...

Where Pramac would get the kind of cash needed to pay Lorenzo is not mentioned, nor why Miller would be going anywhere right now.

Lot of riders off contract this year so the rumour mills will get up to speed.

onearmedbandit

8th August 2019, 23:03

pritch

9th August 2019, 02:26

There has been a development. Miller says the rumour is based on fact. He has been in talks with Pramac and they are happy with him. He says ‘nearly everyone’ at Ducati is happy. Which raises the question, who is not?

Miller has no plans to go to WSBK, I guess he’d be eyeing up JL’s Honda ride.

Autech

9th August 2019, 11:49

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/927050/1/miller-some-truth-lorenzo-ducati-rumours#block-load-comments-ajax-load-comments-ajax

Holy shit that came out of nowhere.
Miller to Repsol would make the most sense if this were to happen, love his comments on JL though. I think Gigi is the one trying to push this through and Pramac don't like it.

I reckon Jack could ride the Honda, he did pretty well on the shitty sat bike that no one else ever did well on and he has the dirt track experience like MM. He's doing very well this year and is the top placed sat rider right now, be crazy for him to be out of the seat

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BMWST?

9th August 2019, 19:37

if you have sky check out sky sport 5 looks like FP1 is gonne be on,moto3 on now

roogazza

10th August 2019, 07:27

if you have sky check out sky sport 5 looks like FP1 is gonne be on,moto3 on now
Health probs mean I don't sleep much, I have noticed with the new approach Sky Sport has, we're getting repeats of practice/races ? Think its Ch 55.... I only found it Channel surfing one night.
BSB has been repeated several times this week.

mulletman

10th August 2019, 10:58

Moto E bike caught fire while on charge, no FP moto e vids again..:(

https://www.gpone.com/en/2019/08/09/motoe/tuulis-motoe-on-fire-while-charging-at-red-bull-ring.html

pritch

10th August 2019, 11:55

Health probs mean I don't sleep much, I have noticed with the new approach Sky Sport has, we're getting repeats of practice/races ? Think its Ch 55.... I only found it Channel surfing one night.
BSB has been repeated several times this week.

It seems they are showing all the practice sessions - and we had the Suzuka 8 hour too. I guess if they are going to have a dedicated motor sport channel they have to fill it up. No complaints from me.

Ive been watching the speedway GPs too. You can read at the same time and if the commentators start screaming you can switch attention to the race.

Oh, and Jack Miller was cracking jokes about his situation but he is acually quite upset. Not without reason.

steveyb

11th August 2019, 20:31

Cool.
I am really liking the MotoE. Short races however, but that will change over time.
BUT, what the fuck is up with Smith? He had a face like a smacked arse!!!
Get a grip bro. Enjoy it.

denill

11th August 2019, 21:01

Watching the UK coverage and comments indicate Miller has re-signed with Pramac
So it’s,as you were

pritch

12th August 2019, 00:42

Well, nothing boring about any of that.

mulletman

12th August 2019, 05:01

Dovi did a Marquez on Marquez and claimed a really great win for Ducati.

Pretty good racing all round.

roogazza

12th August 2019, 07:07

Yams 3,4 and 5 who would've thought ?
Although a mile away ! The bikes do everything or did, but are missing about 30 hp.
Ducati has plenty and still more than Honda by the looks ?

Dadpole

12th August 2019, 07:30

And I expected Marquez to cruise off and win by 5 seconds. Seldom have I been so happy to be wrong. :banana:

roogazza

12th August 2019, 08:02

And I expected Marquez to cruise off and win by 5 seconds. Seldom have I been so happy to be wrong. :banana:

Some great fights in all 3 classes huh Dadpole !!!

Dadpole

12th August 2019, 11:39

Some great fights in all 3 classes huh Dadpole !!!

Indeed. And Fenati finally got the result he is capable of. I hope he continues for the rest of the season like that.

Autech

12th August 2019, 12:54

Yams 3,4 and 5 who would've thought ?
Although a mile away ! The bikes do everything or did, but are missing about 30 hp.
Ducati has plenty and still more than Honda by the looks ?I rate them as even now, just MM had the wrong tyre so lost out on drive.
If MM was on the soft I don't think Dovi would have won just going off where MM was losing time.

Shame Miller biffed it, would have been interesting to see if could have got Quatararo. Boy was Fabio getting fucked on the straights looked like he was on a Moto2 bike.
He deserves that factory bike

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onearmedbandit

12th August 2019, 13:33

'
He deserves that factory bike

Are the factoru Yamaha's any faster is a straight line though? Certainly didn't look so with VR vs JM.

Fantastic race from flag to flag, a genuine battle between two of the best out there.

Dadpole

12th August 2019, 13:37

If MM was on the soft I don't think Dovi would have won just going off where MM was losing time.

I think MM lost when Dovi dicked him on the first lap. From then Dovi harried him and didn't allow the well-known Marquez 'escape and make a gap'. It is not often you will see someone "do a Marquez" on Marquez and force him to do someone elses race strategy.

merv

12th August 2019, 14:32

Nah, a good conspiracy theory would be that Dorna was getting worried because all the fan bois are bitching about how the racing is getting boring so they flicked Honda a few mil to get him to have a medium instead of soft tyre on and see if he could slow down to make a race of it while he is well ahead on points.

pritch

12th August 2019, 14:43

I think MM lost when Dovi dicked him on the first lap. From then Dovi harried him and didn't allow the well-known Marquez 'escape and make a gap'. It is not often you will see someone "do a Marquez" on Marquez and force him to do someone elses race strategy.

Although Honda have improved their power output the Ducati still seems to have an edge. The Austrian track is a series of drag strips which tends to favour the Ducs, thus their successes there. Be interesting to see what happens at Silverstone.

roogazza

12th August 2019, 15:50

Although Honda have improved their power output the Ducati still seems to have an edge. The Austrian track is a series of drag strips which tends to favour the Ducs, thus their successes there. Be interesting to see what happens at Silverstone.
Thats what I'm thinking pritch, Duc the best bike and Honda have the best pilot...
All the Yams are down on straight line, factory or not.They have been for 2 or 3 years.
Roll on the next one,you'd have to bet MM will work on tyre choice for that. ( Goodnight Dovi, he's just too good.)
Still waiting for Yamaha to fix their problems,I thought I read a new engine was coming for 2020.

merv

12th August 2019, 17:22

Autech

12th August 2019, 18:22

If you check out the analysis page Dovi and Marc did a best top speed exactly equal at 316.7km/hr. The best the Frenchy did was 302.5km/hr and Rossi 306.8km/hr.

https://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2019/AUT/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v1_7358002fThose be the numbers.
FQ was only on that podium by waiting till he saw God then jamming on the brakes. Real brave riding.

Its interesting that the Yams are having both wheel spin and top speed issues, I would say they are losing out both in power and putting it to the ground making it a double cluster fuck.
Any of you boffins think its down to the firing order of the L4 not allowing better traction? Or is it all down to crank weight? Seems inline 4s aren't the way to go in the modern motogp era though going by how many races won by Honda and Duc vs Suzuki and Yam since the Mitch switch

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Autech

12th August 2019, 18:36

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2019/08/12/the_zarco_saga_johann_zarco_to_part_ways.html

Zarco saying see ya later to KTM. Going to be interesting to see where he lands and hopefully this will bring Olivera into the factory fold, he's earned it

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BMWST?

12th August 2019, 20:42

BMWST?

12th August 2019, 20:44

Those be the numbers.
FQ was only on that podium by waiting till he saw God then jamming on the brakes. Real brave riding.

Its interesting that the Yams are having both wheel spin and top speed issues, I would say they are losing out both in power and putting it to the ground making it a double cluster fuck.
Any of you boffins think its down to the firing order of the L4 not allowing better traction? Or is it all down to crank weight? Seems inline 4s aren't the way to go in the modern motogp era though going by how many races won by Honda and Duc vs Suzuki and Yam since the Mitch switch

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its been rear grip for ages now....no grip,no drive, reduced top speed.I dont think they are lacking horsepower ,rins couldnt pass them...

Dadpole

12th August 2019, 22:45

Silverstone will be interesting for Yamaha with what is said to be a smooth and grippy track. I am praying for a dry weekend there. It may favour Ducati too??? I want Dovi to take it to MM again and give us at least a slender hope the Marquez reign will not last until 2030.

mulletman

13th August 2019, 09:17

No more KTM chassis for moto2 after this year...instead brings Husqvarna to moto3

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/motogp/ktm-racing-pulls-out-moto2-2020-motomatters/

Grumph

13th August 2019, 09:21

its been rear grip for ages now....no grip,no drive, reduced top speed.I dont think they are lacking horsepower ,rins couldnt pass them...

I'd pick it's a combination of rear end geometry and the electronics. Yamaha have a history of finding poor rear end geometry - and sticking with it.

pritch

13th August 2019, 10:33

I'd pick it's a combination of rear end geometry and the electronics. .

The other factories stole a march when they all poached electronics guys from Magneti Morelli (SP?) when that became the standard ECU. Yamaha thought they didn't need to. Eventually they conceded and they did hire a guy, and his efforts may be starting to bear fruit as Rossi reports improvement in that regard.

It must be frustrating for Rossi being unable to compete properly, I wouldn't be totally surprised if he quit at the end of this year. At least that'd give Zarco somewhere to go. His options look exceedingly limited.

ecko_nzed

13th August 2019, 11:11

Who knew!?!?!?
https://twitter.com/simoncrafar/status/1159835073119522816?s=09

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roogazza

13th August 2019, 11:46

Crafar has improved in the interview arena, which was expected I guess ?
But he's not a natural yapper. :msn-wink: :killingme :rolleyes:

pritch

13th August 2019, 12:43

Who knew!?!?!?
https://twitter.com/simoncrafar/status/1159835073119522816?s=09

I remember Jonathan Greene's WSBK co-commentator, an Australian and a world champion endurance racer at the time, his name escapes me to my shame, saying that in theory the paint has the same grip as the track but that he didn't trust that theory. I'm with him.

Watching the Moto3 guys riding on the wet paint (they seem to do it more) makes me feel uncomfortable. Sometimes it bites them on the arse and makes them feel uncomfortable too.

BMWST?

13th August 2019, 21:07

riding on the kerbs period,not only in the rain!

Autech

14th August 2019, 11:20

riding on the kerbs period,not only in the rain!My 2nd track day was at Taupo, as a young dumb fella I went a bit wide coming out of the hairpin onto the back straight and ended up on the outside curbs. Was like some MX whoops luckily kept it pinned but not a fun time. Managed to steer well clear of them since then :D

Guessing the regulations on motogp curbs mean they aren't as hardcore as ours here though, anyone ever ridden a GP track able to comment?

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Oscar

14th August 2019, 13:37

My 2nd track day was at Taupo, as a young dumb fella I went a bit wide coming out of the hairpin onto the back straight and ended up on the outside curbs. Was like some MX whoops luckily kept it pinned but not a fun time. Managed to steer well clear of them since then :D

Guessing the regulations on motogp curbs mean they aren't as hardcore as ours here though, anyone ever ridden a GP track able to comment?

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I drove a Lada Niva around Phillip Island after the 1990 race.
Didn't touch the curbs though.

Autech

15th August 2019, 12:01

Millers contract signed for 1 more year on factory spec bike.
I think with the KTM bike suddenly up for grabs they pulled finger before he told em to phuck off.
Matt Oxley wrote a good article on how they treat their talented riders and how its cost them titles in his eyes. If Miller doesn't get the factory seat at the end of 2020...

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pritch

16th August 2019, 10:01

Danny Kent former world champ, having lost his BSB ride, is in the news again. Not in a good way.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-49355787

Autech

16th August 2019, 10:03

Danny Kent former world champ, having lost his BSB ride, is in the news again. Not in a good way.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-49355787

Jesus, he speaks so proper too! "Pip pip sir, kindly pay this debt or I shall reach forth this blade and spill your blood"

What a waste of talent, though in saying that the guy that kicked his arse in the 2nd half of his moto3 season appears to have much more skill on a bike.

pritch

22nd August 2019, 10:52

Heads up.

Start times for the Silverstone GP have been changed. The race order will be Moto3, MotoGP, Moto2.

Apparently this enables viewers in Europe to watch the MotoGP race at their usual time.

roogazza

22nd August 2019, 11:24

Heads up.

Start times for the Silverstone GP have been changed. The race order will be Moto3, MotoGP, Moto2.

Apparently this enables viewers in Europe to watch the MotoGP race at their usual time.

cheers pritch, hanging out for some more racing. WSB still a while off !
Hope England manage some nice weather for it....:laugh::laugh: :msn-wink:

Autech

23rd August 2019, 08:35

Heads up.

Start times for the Silverstone GP have been changed. The race order will be Moto3, MotoGP, Moto2.

Apparently this enables viewers in Europe to watch the MotoGP race at their usual time.

Churrrrr.

Looking forward to this weekends race. Maverick to win the race, you heard it here first.

pritch

24th August 2019, 11:15

Maverick to win the race, you heard it here first.

Everybody is seemingly impressed with the new track surface, but then it hasn't rained yet. Friday's times suggest Yamaha are particularly suited to the track.

Fastest on Friday:
FQ
MM
MV
VR
CR
AD

Several riders, including Rossi and Quateraro, had lap times deducted for exceeding track limits but the riders were not happy. They must have managed to convince Race Direction because the times were reinstated.

mulletman

25th August 2019, 08:52

Autech

25th August 2019, 09:56

A bit of antics similar to Moto3 during the big boys qualifying saw VR MM and JM all on flyers which
saw MM take pole from VR then JM.

FQ had to do a bike change during Q2 (flashing warning lights) that buggered his lap.Its amazing how they all didn't get a penalty for that, not the best example for the moto3 younguns for sure.

Looked like MM very fast on change of direction, unless Miller can hold him up a bit the Yams are going to struggle to smoke him tonight, looking forward to it.

How good does that surface look? Couldn't believe it tbh, looks a dream to ride (apart from the layout of course)

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jato

25th August 2019, 10:33

a couple of months ago i'd written off both rossi and lorenzo as distant also-rans due to all the fast youngsters ... seems i was only half right

Autech

25th August 2019, 17:23

a couple of months ago i'd written off both rossi and lorenzo as distant also-rans due to all the fast youngsters ... seems i was only half rightLorenzo won races last year untill he injured himself at Aragon, he's not been race fit since then.
If he ever recovers from his injuries he'll start winning races on that Honda, he was showing pace before he did his back

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mulletman

26th August 2019, 07:35

Well done Alex Rins !! what an awesome move on Marquez to pinch a gritty win :woohoo:

mulletman

26th August 2019, 07:38

Wondered if Rins suckered Marquez in a bit the lap before trying to go round the outside at that point.

Nope Rins thought he was on the last lap.

Dadpole

26th August 2019, 08:25

Nope Rins thought he was on the last lap.

I thought he had stopped doing that. :rolleyes:

roogazza

26th August 2019, 08:46

Beaut little rider that Rins, and nice to see the Suzy up there.
He's so smooth and the corner speed looks great.

Drew

26th August 2019, 08:58

Jorge to Suzuki would be a great combo.

Oscar

26th August 2019, 09:05

Jorge to Suzuki would be a great combo.

I was thinking that.
Corner speed and smooth riding...

Autech

26th August 2019, 12:10

Sorry to whoever I woke up with my shouting as he crossed the line. Epic race and glad to see Rins taking it to MM good and proper.
You could tell that one hit MM right in the feels too. But once again MM finishes in the top 2, the man is a freak but its good to see riders besting him in battles, gives us hope that he won't win the next 15 titles in a row before retiring.

Horrible crash at the beginning, was scared for Dovi but glad to see him on his feet.
Zarco taking out Olivera was dumb too, he said he thought that Olivera would see him, which shows the kind of pass it was. If you rely on a fellow KTM rider to see you that early in a race then perhaps the move wasn't on?
Be interesting to hear what happened with Miller, he was nowhere so had to be some sort of issue going off his practice pace. Hope Gigi pulls out some trickery for the GP20 as they can't keep getting smoked on the corners and expect to challenge for the title.

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steveyb

27th August 2019, 23:07

So awesome to see the Campetella colours back in the paddock.
Mate of mine rode for Campetella in the day.

pritch

28th August 2019, 14:16

Took me until yesterday to watch Moto2. A thoroughly entertaining set of races even if we had to wait until the end for the main event to light up.

Ah well, there's FIM Speedway to watch while I wait for the next round of GPs. You can read a book while that's on, just pay attention when the commentators start screaming.

pritch

29th August 2019, 09:18

Didn't see that one coming...

Scott Redding has been signed to ride the WSB Ducati in place of Alvaro Bautista, leaving Bautista without a ride.

That's a done deal, but it raises speculation as to where Bautista will go next. Some consider his experience on a wide range of machinery could be of use to KTM. Be interesting to see if KTM agree.

Redding was on a two year contract but moving from one Ducati team to another was easier than it would have been otherwise.

You have to feel for Bautista, talk about highs and lows in a single season.

bistard

29th August 2019, 10:10

I understand Bautista has signed with Honda in WSB!!

pritch

29th August 2019, 10:19

I understand Bautista has signed with Honda in WSB!!

David Emmett on his Motomatters site,
"Reliable reports have the Spaniard under contract to HRC to race for the factory Honda team in WorldSBK. But there are doubts that this will happen: HRC is believed to be considering pulling out of WorldSBK and letting the Moriwaki Althea team run the show."

BMWST?

29th August 2019, 19:00

Autech

30th August 2019, 09:27

the last couple of races has me thinking the Honda isa beast this year.Its got an engine but i think it is even more difficut to ride than before.MM seems to be able to ride it right on the limit and hhe uses up the tyres.Again this week he had no rear grip at the end of the raceIts built to drop super quick and fire out of the corners like a bat out of hell this year. The long corners at Silverstone would have been tricky on it for sure which is why he was wiggling around so much.
Front end is less stable now it seems but for someone with MMs reflexes he's using that to his advantage.
Probably the most well rounded bike on the grid though when you think about it, just with a razor sharp edge that bites hard when ignored. It appears MMs the only one who can ride it as JLs been ruined all year but hopefully that will change soon.
Few more ponies in that sook and watch out though, its pretty close already so if the over factories don't make too bigger step then they hopefully will close up even more in 2020.

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roogazza

30th August 2019, 11:30

Autech

31st August 2019, 08:57

Test times in from Misano.
Zarco got told to fuck off so Dani could pick up the slack, he did rather well too with the fastest KTM time.
Be interesting to see what KTM are up to as the media focuses on the big brands more while KTM are most likely the ones doing the most work.
Bike seems to have jumped the Aprilia for worst bike status and frequently out performs the sat bikes, so thats some good progress this year. How cool will it be if/when they get it capable of podium pace and we have 5 different manufacturers able to win? They have the rider talent with Pol, Binder and Olivera so if they give them the bike... Another 2 years away at least though

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BMWST?

31st August 2019, 11:44

I don't think Honda have ever been short on HP ,even in the 500 era.
That was always their, "thing".
But having that crazy little dude #93 as a pilot sure helps their cause. He is able to ride anything it seems.
Can't say I'm unhappy to see Doocatis not being able to blow everyone away in the straights lately.
A bit more top end from the Yamahas could see a closer fight. (hopefully ?).
not sure that that is so easy to acheive"a few more hp" always seems to come at the expense of something else.....so if the yamaha and or suzuki gain a few hp what will it cost,rideability for sure,maybe some kind of tyre life and or handling edge they once had...

pritch

31st August 2019, 13:55

not sure that that is so easy to acheive"a few more hp" always seems to come at the expense of something else.....so if the yamaha and or suzuki gain a few hp what will it cost,rideability for sure,maybe some kind of tyre life and or handling edge they once had...

When Burgess/Rossi had their original input at Yamaha Burgess was quoted as saying something like, there's usually ony one main straight but there are a lot of corners. The bike was down a little on speed but made up for it in rideability. Sadly that little down on speed has turned into a lot.

They tried a carbon swing arm and a 2020 engine at the test but reportedly there were no great leaps forward.

Recently the Dorna cameras caught the podium place getters chatting as they climbed their way up. That chat about what had happened to each in the race was illuminating. It seems Dorna has now made post race chat between the top placed riders a regular feature. Marquez was not his usual chirpy self during the latest. Interestingly he commented that he is better on left hand turns, (that was thought to be the case) when he loses the front it's mostly on a right hand tune. This by way of explanation to Rins on why he managed to get past in the final corner.

I can't find it on the MotoGP site but Mat Oxley posted it on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1167377243796115456

Autech

31st August 2019, 17:41

Fuck Marc wasn't a happy chappy eh?
Rins might be the one that can break his cool a bit.

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Dadpole

31st August 2019, 21:12

Fuck Marc wasn't a happy chappy eh?
Rins might be the one that can break his cool a bit.

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Rins has broken the MM cool before. There is bad blood between Rins and the Marquez family/management from the Moto3 days.

I am hoping that Rins can set up a campsite inside the head of MM else I fear the M. Marquez dominance will continue for a few more years.

mulletman

1st September 2019, 08:46

Fuck Marc wasn't a happy chappy eh?

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Yeah compared to the other week with Dovi where MM was very chatty

Autech

2nd September 2019, 08:22

Rins comment: "you are 78 points ahead so they will respect you"
Not sure if poor translation or if he was winding him up. Was funny though as MM didn't seem to answer

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pritch

2nd September 2019, 12:18

Rins comment: "you are 78 points ahead so they will respect you"
Not sure if poor translation or if he was winding him up. Was funny though as MM didn't seem to answer

The subtitles were better than nowt. Those three were all Spanish so they'll speak that. Hopefully the podium placegetters won't always be all Spanish and they'll use English as the common language. The previous one I saw included Rossi and Miller so English it was.

BMWST?

2nd September 2019, 19:50

i loved that wee interlude.If you didnt know who they were it could be any three motorcyclists taking about a good ride they just had.

steveyb

6th September 2019, 09:34

Della Porta to Italtrans and Vierge to Petronas Sprinta.
I hope Vierge finds the right people for him. The team chemistry is very important and he has too much talent to not get the right team around him at some stage.
My pick for Moto 3 champ this year, right from the off, was Dalla Porta. In a battle with Arbolino and Canet now.
He is so weee.....
Would so like to see McPhee in the front at every race next year, but my observations lead me to conclude that he has one or two quite serious deficiencies (relative to the other front running Moto 3 riders that is, not relative to a normal Joe Bloggs!!).
If he can remedy those, then great, but I fear that they are personality fixtures, not skill issues.

And Sam Lowes confirmed at Marc vdS today. Hope for the same thing as Vierge. Perhaps the more northern euro approach will be better for Sam than the Italian/Spanish approach.

Autech

14th September 2019, 06:52

Just had a wildish thought, but what are the chances of Aleix binning Aprilia and joining Pol at KTM next year?
He's getting frustrated at the lack of development from Aprilia so I wonder if he will can his contract to go join a team on an upward trajectory?

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pritch

14th September 2019, 11:44

Ooops nearly forgot. There was momentary excitement among the pundits last night at the anouncement that Andrea Iannone will manage Fenati.

What could possibly go wrong?

denill

14th September 2019, 12:19

J
Ooops nearly forgot. There was momentary excitement among the pundits last night at the anouncement that Andrea Iannone will manage Fenati.

What could possibly go wrong?
Good news is, brother Angelo is involved.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/928909/1/iannone-fenati-recruitment-passion-business

Autech

14th September 2019, 18:33

Ooops nearly forgot. There was momentary excitement among the pundits last night at the anouncement that Andrea Iannone will manage Fenati.

What could possibly go wrong?I expect at least a nose job or 2

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jato

14th September 2019, 21:11

KTM - maybe not this weekend but it looks like they are (slowly but steadily) getting there...only FP 3 but espargo has got some fast guys behind him.Even Zarco is doing well. Steel tube chassis can't be too bad. might stay up for qualifying...

roogazza

16th September 2019, 07:24

Three Yams in top 4 !! nice, about time ! :shifty: :msn-wink:

mulletman

16th September 2019, 08:11

Great job from Fabio, Marquez didnt need or want to pass as FQ pace was that good but you could always see who was going to take first.

Good job from KTM, shows great speed and they are close to being up there.

pritch

16th September 2019, 08:59

There was some good racing in all that. Initially I had the impression that the E bikes must be fairly brutal to ride with the high sides they were having, but then Moto3 were having them too. The track surface was to blame. The big boys are lucky to have all the electronics these days as that will have saved some of them from a trip to hospital.

As the main event progressed I was expecting Marquez to do a Rossi from days gone by, pass FQ about three laps from the end and disappear. Seems he didn't want a protracted fight. FQ is learning though and one day might spring a nasty surprise.

Autech

16th September 2019, 14:14

Give Fabio 500 more rpm and he may have been able to hold off MM on the main straight such was the small difference in drive they had on track. Incredible what he's doing on that bike compared to the rest.
Haven't seen the Yamaha blast out of the corners like that for a long time, guessing its all down to Fabs wrist being super smooth rather than a set up difference to the other yams.
MM being so happy to beat a sat Yamaha shows how good that kid is, can't wait to see him on a factory Yamaha.

Maverick is no Lorenzo unfortunately, he just can't smack out the consistent lap times like George could, always fluctuating enough to give the other boys a chance to fek off. If he can nail that consistency he will be a contender every race, just seems a bit of a common theme him having slow patches in races.

Pol rode brilliantly, keeping those boys behind him and eventually causing Rins to bin it shows how far that bike has come, lets hope it keeps going upward.

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mulletman

18th September 2019, 09:06

KTM has had enough...https://www.gpone.com/en/2019/09/17/motogp/breaking-ktm-mika-kallio-in-place-of-johann-zarco-until-valencia.html

steveyb

18th September 2019, 11:15

Such a real shame that Zarco has been neither able to adapt him to the bike/the bike to him, nor able to reconcile being a part of a development programme and treat it as such.
Goes to show that the margins between success/failure and acceptance/rejection of a level of performance are very very slim for these guys.
I guess that is logical. As one progresses up the performance curve the margins decrease and level of expectation increases.

pritch

19th September 2019, 22:24

There has been another schedule change for Aragon, the order will again be Moto3, MotoGP and Moto2. I like that arrangement, I’ll watch the GP then hit the hay. Watch Moto2 next day.

roogazza

20th September 2019, 06:55

There has been another schedule change for Aragon, the order will again be Moto3, MotoGP and Moto2. I like that arrangement, I’ll watch the GP then hit the hay. Watch Moto2 next day.

Suits me too pritch ! I usually watch the first two and copy the third.
Looking forward to Aragon ,enjoyed the track with the last WSB round.

Pulled the cover off the bike yesterday and gave the motor a run. All this great weather the last few days has given this old fella a boost.... a ride isn't that far off after about 4 months . :cool::clap:

pritch

20th September 2019, 09:27

Pulled the cover off the bike yesterday and gave the motor a run. All this great weather the last few days has given this old fella a boost.... a ride isn't that far off after about 4 months . :cool::clap:

Plan A is to get the bike out this afternoon and check it over and gas up ready for a ride tomorrow. First a 5k hill walk though...

Autech

21st September 2019, 12:06

So who is coming 2nd tommorow night? My money is on Fabs with Maverick behind him again
Pol to top 8 again
Miller top Ducati

That's all the tea leaves have revealed thus far

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Dadpole

21st September 2019, 12:54

Marc Marquez
Maverick Vinales
Fabio Quartararo

Trust me. I haven't been wrong since the last race. :niceone:

Autech

21st September 2019, 13:37

Confirming my thoughts on what the final straw was. The article in Crash after the weekend where he moaned about not being able to fight etc after his best round on the bike.
Not good for business.
Not good for brand.
Not good at all.

Hope Kallio is rewarded with a full time ride next year, seems the most logical step to me

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/929583/1/ktm-johann-put-so-much-stress-himself

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pritch

23rd September 2019, 12:13

Marc Marquez
Maverick Vinales
Fabio Quartararo

A bit short of Ducs there. I wouldn't have picked that podium either.

Dadpole

24th September 2019, 08:05

Quote Originally Posted by Dadpole View Post
Marc Marquez
Maverick Vinales
Fabio Quartararo

One out of three - and the easy one too.... A bit better than my usual predictions.

A lack of comments here. Are we all a little jaded now? What we need is some software that will blot out Marquez and give us back some uncertainty on race day.

roogazza

24th September 2019, 08:30

Cheers dadpole, the racing threads seem to have died a bit huh. Tho Kiwibiker in general too seems real quiet compared to a few years ago.
Are we getting what we want from Facebook ?? or is everyone somewhere else ?

Summer is coming ,I'll be zipping by before long ?? :lol:

Autech

24th September 2019, 10:05

One out of three - and the easy one too.... A bit better than my usual predictions.

A lack of comments here. Are we all a little jaded now? What we need is some software that will blot out Marquez and give us back some uncertainty on race day.

Good thing we aren't doing the $100 challenge this year! I think we should give it another crack next year.
In picking the Yamaha's so early I forgot that Aragon has a motherfucker of a long straight for them to make the Yams life hell, good riding by Miller and Dovi, sounds like Miller learned some stuff following Dovi too which is good news for those of us hanging our hopes on him to stick it to MM one day.

Cheers dadpole, the racing threads seem to have died a bit huh. Tho Kiwibiker in general too seems real quiet compared to a few years ago.
Are we getting what we want from Facebook ?? or is everyone somewhere else ?

Summer is coming ,I'll be zipping by before long ?? :lol:

Yeah noticed that myself, no hearty to fill our days. I blame MM, the freak.

steveyb

26th September 2019, 11:08

I for one am mystified by the reasons for going MotoGP racing at Aragon. Cannot for the life of me see any real reasons for going there, other than Dorna being paid to do so.
The long shots of the mountains and Alcaniz are the best part of it for me.
The Wall is all well and good, but the track is a bit crap for MotoGP and out in the middle of nowhere.
No need for four races in Spain IMO.

Dadpole

26th September 2019, 13:42

Valencia is the Spanish track I want to see arseholed. There is talk of only three Iberian races in a couple of years - and one of those in Portugal. :niceone:

ellipsis

26th September 2019, 13:55

Maybe I'm getting too old, or they are getting younger or I can't be fucked watching the undisputed king of Moto GP running away with it every race...I have watched all the rounds of the Speedway GP this year and have gone back to this as my m/c entertainment, after all, it is the purist form of motorcycle racing, alongside American FT...I have a new hero, Shayna Texter, she is fucking quick and shoving it to the boys...check her out...:clap:

Dadpole

26th September 2019, 16:38

Moto3 is my series of choice. As BT Sport describe them "Axe murderers on race bikes"

pritch

26th September 2019, 19:45

.I have watched all the rounds of the Speedway GP this year and have gone back to this as my m/c entertainment,

Funny I was watching the Cardiff GP as I read that. I use the FIM Speedway as a "filler" if I've only got less than an hour or so to watch TV. SKY also show the British club racing now too.

BMWST?

27th September 2019, 20:24

Funny I was watching the Cardiff GP as I read that. I use the FIM Speedway as a "filler" if I've only got less than an hour or so to watch TV. SKY also show the British club racing now too.

And BSB of course

jato

4th October 2019, 20:14

close shave - fp1 http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_157017787781123&key=1f4d960d41311033b889a855057eadcd&libId=k1bv7s6g0100sy46000DAn0v7fy5q&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fmotogpforum.com%2Fmotogp%2F25099-2019-ptt-thailand-chang-int-l-race-discuss-chat.html%23post462373&v=1&opt=true&out=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2Fj4r5oK 6dUxW9eG7Gnf%2Fgiphy.gif&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fmotogpforum.com%2F&title=2019%20PTT%20Thailand%20Chang%20Int%27l%20-%20Race%20Discuss%20%26%20Chat%20-%20MotoGP%20Forum&txt=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2Fj4r5oK ...7Gnf%2Fgiphy.gif

mulletman

4th October 2019, 21:07

Yeah great way to wreck a Honda and himself...but he's bounced back ok i see in FP2 , be sore as when he gets up tomorrow.

BMWST?

4th October 2019, 21:56

something odd about that crash.

merv

7th October 2019, 18:53

Everyone enjoy that race then?

BMWST?

7th October 2019, 18:58

The master and the apprentice

Kendog

7th October 2019, 19:40

Everyone enjoy that race then?
I enjoyed it for the prospect of what next year could be like.

MM is next level compared to everyone else, almost the perfect season if he hadn’t crashed in an easy win race.

Dadpole

7th October 2019, 20:22

Moto3 was marred by that dodgy episode by Binder. I feel there will be more accounting by him before long. I enjoyed the support races too.

pritch

7th October 2019, 20:35

It's sad watching Rossi touring around in about eighth. He is changing crew chief for next year, David Munoz (there's a ~ over that n). David is moving up from SKY VR46 Moto2 which has prompted comment because Moto2 does not have all the electrickery of MotoGP.

Rossi will announce his intentions after a few races next season. If he doesn't pull a rabbit out of his AGV this year, Yamaha may have other ideas about that. Marquez could win the team title this year on his own, Lorenzo isn't scoring any points. That must be a smack in the face to the other manufacturers.

At least the next few outings are at a civilised hour.

onearmedbandit

7th October 2019, 22:34

I David is moving up from SKY VR46 Moto2 which has prompted comment because Moto2 does not have all the electrickery of MotoGP.

Heard the same comments too. But they were quickly countered by those in the know saying he will have a team of engineers and mechanics who do understand.

pritch

8th October 2019, 08:39

Heard the same comments too. But they were quickly countered by those in the know saying he will have a team of engineers and mechanics who do understand.

Yamaha has reportedly poached a second Magneti Marelli employee, but lack of knowledge of that system has been holding them back for a couple of seasons. I'd need convincing that they've yet got knowledge to spare.

onearmedbandit

8th October 2019, 09:24

Yamaha has reportedly poached a second Magneti Marelli employee, but lack of knowledge of that system has been holding them back for a couple of seasons. I'd need convincing that they've yet got knowledge to spare.

Oh I totally agree that they've been lacking in that department (so we have been told) it was mentioned that crew chiefs are not normally electronic engineers at the coalface.

roogazza

8th October 2019, 13:49

Bit late getting to see the last race, apart from a couple of swaps at the front it was a little ho hum.
Dovi dragged a few at the start to 4th ,but couldn't get any further. He needed a longer straight I suppose ??/ lol
Rossi moved from 8th to 6th then faded back to 8th. :scratch:

Here's hoping for a good Motegi in two weeks !

Autech

8th October 2019, 17:46

Oh I totally agree that they've been lacking in that department (so we have been told) it was mentioned that crew chiefs are not normally electronic engineers at the coalface.Here's the thing though, they are lacking, but a Rookie satellite Yamaha rider, at lean out of corners can get it hooked up bloody well. In all his battles recently I have seen FQ pull bike lengths out of MM and the Ducati guys on corner exit, only to get smashed in the higher gears. If it wasn't for MMs scary left hand corner speed I suspect FQ would have been able to walk away on Sunday going off how well he was riding. So I think they also have some heavy fisted riders on the 3 other bikes needing it but FQ can ride around it. Add another 20hp though and he may struggle to get it hooked as well, nothing comes for free!

Can't wait to see his progression.

Shame Jack Miller hit the kill switch, I think a finishing ahead of Dovi a few times this season will give Ducati the prod they need to ditch Petrux and sign him.

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onearmedbandit

8th October 2019, 18:07

Here's the thing though, they are lacking, but a Rookie satellite Yamaha rider, at lean out of corners can get it hooked up bloody well.

The data suggests that FQ's ability to get it hooked up better is that he requires less lean angle for a given speed.

husaberg

8th October 2019, 18:20

The data suggests that FQ's ability to get it hooked up better is that he requires less lean angle for a given speed.

Are you sugesing hes straightening out the ccorners Like Lawson and Gardners did with the old unreadable NSR500 pre Doohan?

onearmedbandit

8th October 2019, 19:29

Are you sugesing hes straightening out the ccorners Like Lawson and Gardners did with the old unreadable NSR500 pre Doohan?

Drive from edge grip is supposedly where the Yamaha is having most of its traction issues. So less lean (due to riding style) means less issue. So not straightening them out so much but reducing overall lean angle.

husaberg

8th October 2019, 19:52

Drive from edge grip is supposedly where the Yamaha is having most of its traction issues. So less lean (due to riding style) means less issue. So not straightening them out so much but reducing overall lean angle.

if that's the case hes effectively making the corners longer then?
You have to wonder Old George never had an issue leaning it over.
I don't think there has been any quantum leaps forward in tyres or chassis in the last few years, they just made the Dukes and the Hondas more ridable afaik.
the Yamahas previous advantage of a few years ago awas its handling and ridability the other now can match or better this with more Hp to boot..

i just seen this

In comparing Márquez's first 200 GPs with those of longtime rival Valentino Rossi, both riders had amassed an equal number of world titles, seven. Rossi, however, had 13 more victories, 91 versus 78. Seconds (34) and thirds (17) are evenly matched, but with pole positions, Márquez takes advantage of his uncanny ability to produce an explosive single lap. Here, the record books favor the Spaniard, 89 against 50. Looking at fast laps, Rossi is back on top, 73 versus 69, and over those 200 races, Rossi collected 70 percent of the points at stake while Márquez is at 64 percent.
https://www.cycleworld.com/how-does-marquez-rank-against-rossi-after-200-motogp-starts/

onearmedbandit

8th October 2019, 21:40

if that's the case hes effectively making the corners longer then?

Possibly. However my interpretation of it was his body position/riding style had his centre of gravity further in than the other riders. Now from my understanding that allows the same line and speed at a slightly reduced lean angle. Similar to riders hanging off as far as possible in the wet. Or I may be completely and utterly talking out my...

Autech

8th October 2019, 22:47

Possibly. However my interpretation of it was his body position/riding style had his centre of gravity further in than the other riders. Now from my understanding that allows the same line and speed at a slightly reduced lean angle. Similar to riders hanging off as far as possible in the wet. Or I may be completely and utterly talking out my...Could be bang on... He strikes me as a very lanky figure, good balance of low weight mixed with height which would help with this. That and coming straight from Moto2 with a speed up would help big time.
Whatever the reason, he gets that Yam hooked up and the fuck out of there, so the other Yams need to interpret his rider inputs (if only it were so easy) or work out a new way to find the laptime

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BMWST?

9th October 2019, 18:27

the Honda is not a good bike,look where the others are.Its only MM that makes it good.
I dont buy the edge grip thing,how can MM do it with more extreme lean angles than anyone.His corner speed is not fantastic as demonstrated by Rins at Silverstone.
Some interesting developments await.Will a more powerful Yamaha still be a nice bike otr will it turn into a ducati or a Honda.The nice bikes dont have the horsepower of the nasty bikes.Will Lorenzo find some Mojo,Will jack start to show his full potential.I have been following motogp since 1978.I think the last few years have been the best.
I dont want to start a rossi MM fight but i think MM stats are incredible seeing he has dominated some very very good riders(pedrosa,lorenzo,rossi)

onearmedbandit

9th October 2019, 22:20

roogazza

10th October 2019, 09:21

the Honda is not a good bike,look where the others are.Its only MM that makes it good.

Maybe Quatararo makes the Yamaha look good too ? (and sometimes Vinales' lol).

F5 Dave

10th October 2019, 12:29

the Honda is not a good bike,look where the others are.Its only MM that makes it good.
I dont buy the edge grip thing,how can MM do it with more extreme lean angles than anyone.His corner speed is not fantastic as demonstrated by Rins at Silverstone.
Some interesting developments await.Will a more powerful Yamaha still be a nice bike otr will it turn into a ducati or a Honda.The nice bikes dont have the horsepower of the nasty bikes.Will Lorenzo find some Mojo,Will jack start to show his full potential.I have been following motogp since 1978.I think the last few years have been the best.
I dont want to start a rossi MM fight but i think MM stats are incredible seeing he has dominated some very very good riders(pedrosa,lorenzo,rossi)

Really? Its fast as and MM can make it turn just how he wants it. Hes not God, he cant bend the laws of physics. He just rides like him.

Put a desperate Zarco on George's factory bike and it would be interesting.

Either than or alter the position of George's tank decals (2mm back, 1.2 lower and 4* counterclockwise) and watch him take some wins again like he showed he was capable of beating MM at the end of his Dookaty season.

Friggin freaks.

jim.cox

10th October 2019, 15:37

Either than or alter the position of George's tank decals (2mm back, 1.2 lower and 4* counterclockwise) and watch him take some wins again like he showed he was capable of

LoL :) Well said that man! Spoken like a true Ducatista...

Friggin freaks.

True Dat! Small fast ones

Autech

10th October 2019, 16:29

the Honda is not a good bike,look where the others are.Its only MM that makes it good.
I dont buy the edge grip thing,how can MM do it with more extreme lean angles than anyone.His corner speed is not fantastic as demonstrated by Rins at Silverstone.

His corner speed this year is as fast as it needs to be, he doesn't have to cane it as hard as he has the engine to make up for it, that and the bikes not as stable entering corners this year so it's definitely down on corner speed to 18, but not drastically slower if you look at how he could hit those fast left handers and reel in FQ. He's riding it very smart and with his very fast reflexes he's able to balance the front end on the edge of a knife that others may not be able to.

Yes it's a good bike, if it wasn't he wouldn't be winning on it. As for the other riders, you only have one other top rider to reference, Lorenzo, who has not once rode that bike full fitness this year. Just as he was starting to show form he binned it again. He's been through injuries that other riders would call it quits for a season on. So I don't get this whole MM is doing things on that bike it shouldn't be doing; they built a bike that perfectly matches his crazy talent of front end slides, if riders like CC can't hang with him then it's on them and not the bike that the blame should lie.
I think someone like Brad Binder (maybe even Pol Espagaro?) on the other Honda would very well be able to tame that bike and possibly give MM a good run, watching him pushing that KTM moto2 was awesome, both front and rear sliding all the way into corners, guys got huge talent and the KTM Motogp looks like the right bike to get him on as he clearly likes to bend a bike to his will.

Motogp keeps getting better and better, but the one thing that will remain is MM's dominance for at least one more season till they shake up the top factory rider line up.