MotoGP 2019

[BMWST?]

Ok I must be missing something. It seems you saying it has traction issues out of corners but not issues with edge grip?
correct i think it is a lack of traction that leads to the lack of edge grip as the race wears on

[BMWST?]

Didn't see that coming!

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/146524/exktm-zarco-set-to-replace-nakagami-at-lcr

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this is going to be VERY interesting, on many levels.Contractual issues,pre emptive contractual wordings,Yamaha,Honda,KTM,Dorna,will all have an iron in the fire.
If Zarco does well it will make Honda think.Ktm will want to know.Yamaha will want to know .Dorna will want Zarco to do well.

[F5 Dave]

Hahaha, I should do this professionally! It's like a prediction. :wings:


. . . . Oh. Guess he better do well or I'll be eating my words:shutup:

[roogazza]

Very interesting, if Zarco clicks with the Honda.
Horhay and Crashalot will have a bit of pressure on them. :blink:

[Autech]

Very interesting, if Zarco clicks with the Honda.
Horhay and Crashalot will have a bit of pressure on them. :blink:Wrong Honda to click with though; its the 18 bike with the solid front end not the 19 bike with the razor sharp edge.

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[onearmedbandit]

correct i think it is a lack of traction that leads to the lack of edge grip as the race wears on

So that was my original point. It has issues with edge grip that seemingly doesn't effect FQ so much due to him being at less of a lean angle. So we are agreed on the fact it appears to have edge grip issues, regardless of why (I never stated a 'why')?

[BMWST?]

So that was my original point. It has issues with edge grip that seemingly doesn't effect FQ so much due to him being at less of a lean angle. So we are agreed on the fact it appears to have edge grip issues, regardless of why (I never stated a 'why')?
yes that is my conundrum too ,why can he seem to make it work a) for a qualifying run(where Mv can be very fast)

and b make it last the whole race(or n-1 laps any way :) )

[onearmedbandit]

yes that is my conundrum too ,why can he seem to make it work a) for a qualifying run(where Mv can be very fast)

and b make it last the whole race(or n-1 laps any way :) )

One of the suggestions is that looking at the data shows he doesn't have the bike so far on the edge compared to the other Yamaha riders.

[mulletman]

Johann gets a Honda ride for a bit...

https://www.gpone.com/en/2019/10/12/motogp/johann-zarco-ready-to-replace-takaaki-nakagami-starting-from-phillip-island.html

[Dadpole]

It may cost him next year though. Yamaha want a test rider and may not wait another month or so for Zarco to decide. Would Honda have a spot next year for him? If Lorenzo bails would they want a replacement who once said he rides like Lorenzo? Would Puig want a temperamental Frog in the garage? It could be a replay of Fenati at VR46... :weird:

[mulletman]

I reckon Johann has had a conversation with Yamaha and has something sorted to replace Folger next year, and he'll be able to update Yamaha about the Honda.

[Dadpole]

It will be the '18 Honda though. Ancient history by MotoGP standards.

[BMWST?]

It will be the '18 Honda though. Ancient history by MotoGP standards.
maybe but its a honda that may be more suited to JZ and JL than the current version

[pritch]

Very interesting, if Zarco clicks with the Honda.
Horhay and Crashalot will have a bit of pressure on them. :blink:

It has been reported that Crutchlow is preparing to bow out. Being in constant pain can't be much fun.

[roogazza]

It has been reported that Crutchlow is preparing to bow out. Being in constant pain can't be much fun.

yeah mate, they don't have that on their own.
Just about all my mates suffer after a lifetime of motorcycles.
As well I have played lots of Squash

wait till Crashlow is 70, we'll see how he feels :laugh: :msn-wink:

[sugilite]

It has been reported that Crutchlow is preparing to bow out. Being in constant pain can't be much fun.

Yeah, I've never worked out why Crashlow has never used his huge gob as in an unfair advantage over other riders as an air brake to get the bike stopped faster than them :innocent:
However you cannot deny he can ride super quick and gives his all - fall after fall. And of late that is really a reflection of the Honda being a prick of a bike to ride. The Honda execs must wake up and pray for protection of MM every day - as without him, they would not even see their bikes on the podium yet alone winning championships.

Crutchlow has made a bit of money (I Think) from this lark, he should probs now retire and enjoy his young family while he still has a semblance of a functioning body to do so.

[pritch]

Haven't seen this posted already so... Herewith the state of play in the ongoing Yamaha electronics saga - and so much more.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/ducati-defection-latest-move-motogp-s-brains-war

[F5 Dave]

2021 all ECU are to be commercially available Speeduino modules cobbled together in garages using open source code.
Teams rush to employ as many nerdy students hoping to get lucky. This has nothing to do with the chance of race supremacy.:msn-wink:

[roogazza]

Motegi this weekend.
Should be screened at a reasonable hour being where it is....

Get your Beerzy's and chips in . :yes: :corn:

[sugilite]

Nakagami is having his last ride for the year at Montegi, before handing his bike over to ZARCO for the last three rounds. Now this is going to be very interesting to see if Zarco is a one bike pony, or can he actually adapt to other bikes that do not happen to be a KTM? His future as a either motogp rider or test rider could very well hinge on his performances. Could be a KTM "Told you so" moment or a French egg on KTM's face. I'm looking forward to finding out.

[Dadpole]

Zarco has lost the Yamaha tester opportunity. It seems that Folger has been signed instead.

[pritch]

Zarco has lost the Yamaha tester opportunity. It seems that Folger has been signed instead.

Zarco wants to race, not test. Honda are very interested in how he will get on with their bike.

Rossi has ditched all of the latest wizardry, carbon swing arm etc. He wants his bike to be more like the bikes the young dudes are riding to see if he can understand what’s happening.

[sugilite]

Holy Shit, free practice 4 and Lorenzo is dead last 8 seconds off the pace - yikes! :(

[eelracing]

Another piss poor effort by the old farts...true to form,to little to late. Time for teams to wake up and get shopping for new blood coz the 'Rookie of the Year' has made chumps of the lot of em.

[onearmedbandit]

Holy Shit, free practice 4 and Lorenzo is dead last 8 seconds off the pace - yikes! :(

He was the only one not to go out on slicks.

[roogazza]

That Ducati makes Dovi look better than average. If they would just hire a couple of these young guns they might have a World Champ ?
Sad for me to see Vale struggling and then slipping off.
#93 too good !!!!

[pritch]

That wasn't a great watch. Marquez is special and it's not the bike, seems he's the only one that can ride it. Quarteraro is a talent and his day will come. Rossi's problems seem rather more complex than can be fixed by a new crew chief. As for bringing in new talent, not everybody is a Quarteraro.

[Autech]

Put Miller on the factory Ducati I say. With some more data behind him he'll crack the code, hard to compete with the factory boys without the team behind you. Be interesting to see why he and Morb couldn't match their practice pace.

MM showed why he's world champ, he's got that bike dialled in perfectly so his base set up was better than the others could manage with limited dry time. Yamaha will 100% need more engine next year or he'll walk away with it again. Can't see Dovi or Petrux putting up a good challenge anymore now Dovis trick of going slow isn't going to work now the tyres can last a full race properly.
Sad prospect for us fans but great to see the worlds best in full stride

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[sugilite]

That wasn't a great watch. Marquez is special and it's not the bike, seems he's the only one that can ride it. Quarteraro is a talent and his day will come. Rossi's problems seem rather more complex than can be fixed by a new crew chief. As for bringing in new talent, not everybody is a Quarteraro.

Completely agree, and to add to the fun, Quateraro hardly set moto2 alight, but is a revelation on a Yamaha motogp bike. Makes me wonder how many other potential stars have been overlooked. Tricky to anticipate who that sort of rider might be!

See Remy Gardner turned down KTM interest. Not sure that was the right move, he may never get another motogp offer in his life!

[sugilite]

He was the only one not to go out on slicks.

Yikes, that could be even worse in Hondas eyes, they purchased him for his experience, clearly that was not the right move. Cheers for letting me know, I was wondering what the heck was going on! :cool:

[BMWST?]

i reckon if zarco does well on the Honda JL is toast...sad to see imho

[pritch]

Quateraro hardly set moto2 alight, but is a revelation on a Yamaha motogp bike.


He's always been regarded as "special", the rules were changed specifically to permit him to ride in Moto3.

He had already won the CEV Spanish championship twice but was still only fifteen at the start of the next season. To ride Moto3 in GPs the rules said he needed to be sixteen. So the rule was changed to say that riders needed to be sixteen - unless they were the current CEV champion in which case they could start at fifteen.

They don't change the rules for just anybody. That's definitely special.

[jellywrestler]

53 pages here on a thread that i kicked off to find out what meeting was worth doing, looking forward to my first Moto Gp this weekend...., thanks folks

there's an old bike shop museum in melbourne, whats it called? and what's the best way to get aussie dollars too please?

[pritch]

It might not be the one you’re asking about but Peter Stevens Motorcycles in Melbourne is like a motorcycle Aladin’s cave. They are agents for a number of brands. Not Ducati though, Ducati had a boutique across the street. All polished black marble, very chic.

I just bought the Aussie dollars from my bank, the town branch has a currency exchange.

Enjoy.

[jellywrestler]

It might not be the one you’re asking about but Peter Stevens Motorcycles in Melbourne is like a motorcycle Aladin’s cave. They are agents for a number of brands. Not Ducati though, Ducati had a boutique across the street. All polished black marble, very chic.

I just bought the Aussie dollars from my bank, the town branch has a currency exchange.

Enjoy.

this one is antique bikes, not modern, appreciate the reply all the same

[sidecar bob]

53 pages here on a thread that i kicked off to find out what meeting was worth doing, looking forward to my first Moto Gp this weekend...., thanks folks

there's an old bike shop museum in melbourne, whats it called? and what's the best way to get aussie dollars too please?

In the last four trips to Aussie I've never owned an Aussie dollar.
I have an eft pos card that works here & in Aussie, if you want some cash just do it at Auckland airport.

[swarfie]

this one is antique bikes, not modern, appreciate the reply all the same

It's called Modak Motorcycles. They're in Elizabeth St. A real Aladin's cave and well worth a visit.

[sidecar bob]

It's called Modak Motorcycles. They're in Elizabeth St. A real Aladin's cave and well worth a visit.

Gone sadly.
https://cbdnews.com.au/end-of-an-era-for-modak/

[jellywrestler]

In the last four trips to Aussie I've never owned an Aussie dollar.
. what do put in the strippers underwear when out on the town then? mind you, with osh and shit they probably aren't allowed to do that now cause of paper cuts....

[Autech]

He's always been regarded as "special", the rules were changed specifically to permit him to ride in Moto3.

He had already won the CEV Spanish championship twice but was still only fifteen at the start of the next season. To ride Moto3 in GPs the rules said he needed to be sixteen. So the rule was changed to say that riders needed to be sixteen - unless they were the current CEV champion in which case they could start at fifteen.

They don't change the rules for just anybody. That's definitely special.He won on a Speed up. Thats special enough I would say

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[BMWST?]

this one is antique bikes, not modern, appreciate the reply all the same
if you are in Melbourne anyway Elizabeth street has a few bike shops.Whn we go to Aussie i just go to the BNZ and get the cash.Enjoy yourself.I usepractise days to wander around ansd suss out the best spot for race day,get there as eary as you can,all the good spots will liklely be gone already.

[rustys]

Get out to Ringwood, plenty of bike shops, and Peter Stevens has a massive modern complex out there.

[pritch]

Foggy start to the day at PI. All four seasons in a day is normal, but fog is one thing I didn't see. The forecast for the weekend is not great apparently.

[F5 Dave]

Just go go the money machine. Anything with a plus symbol.

Take or buy a small tarpaulin and a backpack. The wind can blow cold, but it can change and be 'pearler' in the same day.

They serve beer in Australia. It's not particularly good but it will get you drunk

[BMWST?]

Just go go the money machine. Anything with a plus symbol.

Take or buy a small tarpaulin and a backpack. The wind can blow cold, but it can change and be 'pearler' in the same day.

They serve beer in Australia. It's not particularly good but it will get you drunk
yes Melbourne is truly a place you can get four seasons in one day

[pritch]

You definitely need a range of clothing handy. I'm wondering about the advice to use cash exchange services in town. He has to get from the airport to town. I'd want cash in my wallet, one less potential problem.

[F5 Dave]

yes Melbourne is truly a place you can get four seasons in one day
I was talking about Philip island, it is distinctly more exposed to the wind off the sea.
Credit card will work fine. Done it heaps back around the turn of the century, can't imagine they have gone back to trading animal parts.

[Autech]

Fuck I am excited for this weekend.

No idea who will win but almost certain that most bikes will be up there, including Aprilia and KTM.

Oh yeah!

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[Autech]

Binder to factory KTM next year!
Ikerumba to parter Olivera at tech 3.
Sorry Kallio!

Great rider line up

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[sugilite]

I'm super keen to see Fabio Quartararo take the win, he has surely earned it with his results on the bike he has had at his disposal.
MM is a absolute total freak and genius of the likes I feel have not been seen before. Would love to see a rider be able to take the fight to him.
I hope Yamaha give him something special next year :yes:

[Autech]

I'm super keen to see Fabio Quartararo take the win, he has surely earned it with his results on the bike he has had at his disposal.
MM is a absolute total freak and genius of the likes I feel have not been seen before. Would love to see a rider be able to take the fight to him.
I hope Yamaha give him something special next year :yes:Like Rossi's seat? XD

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[mulletman]

MM will smash them , unless Zarco smashs him first :whistle:

[sugilite]

Like Rossi's seat? XD

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I'm quite sure he would need the rest of the bike as well :innocent:

[F5 Dave]

Was it Qatar, Millar decided he didn't even need his seat:lol: was that last year?

[Autech]

MM will smash them , unless Zarco smashs him first :whistle:He's an expert at that after all

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[Autech]

I'm quite sure he would need the rest of the bike as well :innocent:I'd bet some of the yellow army would want it to smell :D

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[BMWST?]

can anyone explain why/how a bike cant do a one of fast lap Apparently the Suzuk is such a bike

[onearmedbandit]

can anyone explain why/how a bike cant do a one of fast lap Apparently the Suzuk is such a bike

If anyone can answer that I'm sure Suzuki would love a phone call haha.

[Autech]

can anyone explain why/how a bike cant do a one of fast lap Apparently the Suzuk is such a bikeAt a guess its down to bike balance. To push that extra second or so out of the tyres the bike would actually need to be able to use the extra grip available from some new softs, if the bikes good already its not possible to push it any harder with less fuel and more tyre.
Possibly down to engine mapping too, if they can't get the extra juice to smack down hard in a good way then once again its hopeless to get those extra tenths that the other teams can.

With Mir and Rins they have two talented fucks on board so I don't think its them, they just haven't found a good quali set up. Will be interesting to see if they can crack the code

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[roogazza]

I watched last years P.I. race last night on ch55, Sky play a lot of older stuff on 55 now.

Maybe the Yams can do well this year ? The young fellas can out ride Dovi on the Duc but his HP/Speed is still a worry on any sort of straightaway.....

Hope the weather holds :shifty: :confused:

[steveyb]

Tough start in the PI "sunshine" for our Moto3 wildcard boys.
Fingers crossed for them.

[sugilite]

Zarco 15th on the honda in the 2nd sunny session. With ALL the KTM's behind him (and Lorenzo). Wow, that leaves some french egg on the Austrian bosses face. First dry session on a completely new bike to him, fairly impressive :yes:"

In other news, MM clipped a very slow moving JL Honda near the end of the session, where at the gathering point MM made this sleeping gesture to Lorenzo :laugh:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHstl1fWkAADFvF.jpg:large

[BMWST?]

FQ hs a big highside in FP1 injured ankle and elabow ,sits out FP2.
Jack Miller predicted the new boys might have trouble,he says PI is different and it takes some experience to figure out how to go fast there.

[F5 Dave]

Crap. Bad new re FQ.

Shit Abe used to always pull one out there , real riders track.

Hope Zarco can just improve like crazy. He's a star that got through the cracks.

[SaferRides]

FQ hs a big highside in FP1 injured ankle and elabow ,sits out FP2.
Jack Miller predicted the new boys might have trouble,he says PI is different and it takes some experience to figure out how to go fast there.Another off throttle high side. There's been a few recently.

Not sure what Lorenzo was thinking riding that slow on the racing line at the end of a session.



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[mulletman]

MM save during the tyre test was another miracle, Pol destroyed his KTM as did Remy Gardner on his machine in moto2.

Sam Lowes is lucky only to get a small penalty for his intentional barging down the main straight what a dick.

https://www.gpone.com/en/2019/10/25/moto2/stewards-penalty-lowes-starting-from-back-of-the-grid.html

[mulletman]

Been a crap day on the island with rain and wind and the ocassional dry track , FP4 red flagged part way due to wind - Olivera had a nasty crash along the main straight , Q1 and Q2 cancelled , have to wait and see to find out what race direction decides for tomorrow.

[SaferRides]

Time for Dorna to change the race from spring to autumn. I hope Olivera is OK, that looked very nasty.

Maybe Qatar and PI could swap.

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[pritch]

Time for Dorna to change the race from spring to autumn. I hope Olivera is OK, that looked very nasty.

Maybe Qatar and PI could swap.



Ummm so what is your plan for Superbikes? As GPs and SBK do at Qatar (opposite ends of the season) so too it works at PI.

Of course PI has to fit in with Japan, Thailand and Malaya too. It's hard to see it moving.

[pritch]

And he stayed on. Well done Dominic and well done photographer.

[Drew]

And he stayed on. Well done Dominic and well done photographer.

I've done that. It fucken hurts.

[mulletman]

Great day for team Leopard with a 1st and 2nd, congrats to Lorenzo Dalla Porta Moto3 world champ :woohoo:

[SaferRides]

So the Honda factory team is 1 point behind Ducati. Although unlikely, Marquez could win the team prize by himself!

There can't be much wrong with the Aprillias that 20 hp couldn't fix, and all on a budget probably 20% of what KTM spend.

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[pritch]

I've done that. It fucken hurts.

That was my first thought when I saw it on TV. The landing could be a worry, but less so for Ana Carasco?

[nadroj]

This display is worth a look - Naked Racer Cafe & Antique Motorcycles
Near Moorabin air museum.

[Autech]

So the Honda factory team is 1 point behind Ducati. Although unlikely, Marquez could win the team prize by himself!

There can't be much wrong with the Aprillias that 20 hp couldn't fix, and all on a budget probably 20% of what KTM spend.

Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkAprilia have a couple of talented fucks on board who both can turn it up at PI. As PI is a riders track I wasn't surprised to see the 2 of them dicing. Aleix has had some great results in previous years, seems the bike development has stagnated somewhat to me.
Glad to see eeeaahhnoni strut his stuff too, dude loves that track and he took profit while the bike was good. Lets hope this is a spring board for future awesomeness

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[Autech]

So Olivera out again due to his shoulder injury gifted to him by Zarco.
Not sad at all to see Zarco with no ride next year!

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[pritch]

So Olivera out again due to his shoulder injury gifted to him by Zarco.
Not sad at all to see Zarco with no ride next year!

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That's tough, but not totally unfair. Similarly to Barbera in 250s, he could have a great effect on a championship by taking other riders out, without ever being in a position to win it himself.

[pritch]

Mat Oxley says he’s feeling ashamed waiting a media debrief with Quatararo as the lad does successive interviews in faultless English, French, Spanish and Italian.

That old thing about motorcycle racers needing size ten boots and a size three helmet might be a bit wide of the mark.

[mulletman]

So Olivera out again due to his shoulder injury gifted to him by Zarco.
Not sad at all to see Zarco with no ride next year!

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Takaaki Nakagami has Rossi to thank for his injury....

IF Jlo gives up this year there will be a re shuffle next, if Zarco does ok this weekend and at Valencia oppotunity could be with honda.

[Autech]

Saw that coming!

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[Autech]

Bahahahaaa
Sit on it!

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[Autech]

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/933144/1/perez-totally-unacceptable-cota-bumps-will-lead-crashes?amp

Not a good sign for next year if cars are crashing on the bumps

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[jellywrestler]

Since i started this thread about going to my first Moto GP best I say how it went.
went with a group of seven good cunts, had a house about 5km's from cct at most. we spent a day in PI before heading to the track on friday, and a day on monday there too, not much to do so spent quite a bit of that time in bars, or at a wharf having a beer. We had seats at siberia and it was bitter on saturday, better on sunday but they were extremely tight seats which meant when you needed a costume change as the weather changed it was a struggle, but all in all good seating and the economics of putting wider seats woul dbe tough. watching the races I couldn't hear the commentary even when there was no bikes in front of us with ear plugs out, that marred the event as did bike recognition, the bikes are leaned over so much that you pretty well can't see the riders often, and with widespread unreadable numbers only on the front a lot of it was a mystery to me simply. the program had some moto gp bike piccies, but the whole thing would have benefitted from either readable numbers, or at least where there were two team bikes or more some sort of colour recognition say a flour circle on the side or similar. I'm into bikes, i'd hate to think how people enjoyed it that knew nothing. On TV it's no issue, as they have a list of the numbers and even the multi difernt colours gives you that point of difference, additionally they fill the screen in front of you, not at the track.
Was certainly and experience, dunno whether i'd be hooked on going every year though.
the group of seven split up, four in the cheap seats and myself and two guys who follow the GP's a lot were with me so that helped me with stuff I didn't know.

[malcy25]

Since i started this thread about going to my first Moto GP best I say how it went.
went with a group of seven good cunts, had a house about 5km's from cct at most. we spent a day in PI before heading to the track on friday, and a day on monday there too, not much to do so spent quite a bit of that time in bars, or at a wharf having a beer. We had seats at siberia and it was bitter on saturday, better on sunday but they were extremely tight seats which meant when you needed a costume change as the weather changed it was a struggle, but all in all good seating and the economics of putting wider seats woul dbe tough. watching the races I couldn't hear the commentary even when there was no bikes in front of us with ear plugs out, that marred the event as did bike recognition, the bikes are leaned over so much that you pretty well can't see the riders often, and with widespread unreadable numbers only on the front a lot of it was a mystery to me simply. the program had some moto gp bike piccies, but the whole thing would have benefitted from either readable numbers, or at least where there were two team bikes or more some sort of colour recognition say a flour circle on the side or similar. I'm into bikes, i'd hate to think how people enjoyed it that knew nothing. On TV it's no issue, as they have a list of the numbers and even the multi difernt colours gives you that point of difference, additionally they fill the screen in front of you, not at the track.
Was certainly and experience, dunno whether i'd be hooked on going every year though.
the group of seven split up, four in the cheap seats and myself and two guys who follow the GP's a lot were with me so that helped me with stuff I didn't know.
Spyda

Didn't know you were gonna be there. Otherwise would have kept a look out. Oggie, Ian, Trev (the three guys helping me) and I watched Moto 2 from the bank at Siberia (Moto 3 from inside T1 and MotoGP from outside T11/12).

Was an interesting experience being there "inside the fence" as a rider in the support class. You may have noticed we had our races cut from the programme on Sat and Sunday. Sat made sense what with the wind, while Sunday was just bullshit. Though You'd never know that it was me riding, or anyone else as they didn't even put our names in the programme either.....at the moment my view of going is WOFTAM.

[roogazza]

Hope that experience doesn't put you off Spyda and Malc.
As I've said many times before, great circuit but shitty weather can ruin it.

After 15 yrs of GP travel I am finally over it I think ? Though I may do one more with the other half next year?(just to show her what I've being spending all that money on lol.)
It'll be Italy tho for sure. Not P.I.

[malcy25]

Hope that experience doesn't put you off Spyda and Malc.
As I've said many times before, great circuit but shitty weather can ruin it.

After 15 yrs of GP travel I am finally over it I think ? Though I may do one more with the other half next year?(just to show her what I've being spending all that money on lol.)
It'll be Italy tho for sure. Not P.I.

Won't put me off the circuit, been there 19 times now to ride....it has put me off being treated like dog poo with no discernable reason why.

[ecko_nzed]

....at the moment my view of going is WOFTAM.

I may regret asking.......

What does WOFTAM mean?

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[pritch]

Google (or DuckDuckGo) is your friend. I guessed the ‘waste of time’ but had to check to get the ‘and money’ part.

[malcy25]

Google (or DuckDuckGo) is your friend. I guessed the ‘waste of time’ but had to check to get the ‘and money’ part.

;)
I'm still waiting for the grand prix corp response to my email and no one will even answer the phone...

[ecko_nzed]

Google (or DuckDuckGo) is your friend. I guessed the ‘waste of time’ but had to check to get the ‘and money’ part.Ahhhh yes, of course.

This why I suck at guessing games.

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[jellywrestler]

Hope that experience doesn't put you off Spyda and Malc.
As I've said many times before, great circuit but shitty weather can ruin it.

After 15 yrs of GP travel I am finally over it I think ? Though I may do one more with the other half next year?(just to show her what I've being spending all that money on lol.)
It'll be Italy tho for sure. Not P.I.

the weather was the weather, it is what it is, just would have liked to be able to see who was who simply

[denill]

the weather was the weather, it is what it is, just would have liked to be able to see who was who simply

Armchair viewing takes a lot of beating.
At Brno a few years ago, I could not tell the difference between Stoner, Dovi and Pedrosa.......
What’s the point of that.
Was so far back I couldn’t read the big screen. So with 10x zoom took a pic to see who was where.
The joys of 100 thousand plus spectators

[pritch]

Armchair viewing takes a lot of beating.


The "corporate" hospitality of the Honda Riders Club at PI was brilliant. A marquee with a TV, a grandstand, portaloos, one of the big screens opposite just across the track, all at the end of the straight. Pitwalks included. The HRC are sadly missed.

As you say though, the armchair is better viewing - and climate controlled.

[Drew]

The "corporate" hospitality of the Honda Riders Club at PI was brilliant. A marquee with a TV, a grandstand, portaloos, one of the big screens opposite just across the track, all at the end of the straight. Pitwalks included. The HRC are sadly missed.

As you say though, the armchair is better viewing - and climate controlled.
Yamaha tent was the same. No fucken booze though.

[jellywrestler]

Armchair viewing takes a lot of beating.


nothing will replace being there, the smell of the motion lotion they use, the sound and the fans simply, lack of low cut tops though with the weather so bitter....

[Oscar]

nothing will replace being there, the smell of the motion lotion they use, the sound and the fans simply, lack of low cut tops though with the weather so bitter....

You could also get to meet Freddie Spencer...

[roogazza]

You could also get to meet Freddie Spencer...

Nice to see Freddy lookin like the rest of us Oscar ! <_<

[pritch]

Yamaha tent was the same. No fucken booze though.

The Honda effort had booze but it cost extra. I didn't avail myself of the opportunity because I didn't want to spend the GP with my back to the track queueing for a pee.

[Oscar]

Nice to see Freddy lookin like the rest of us Oscar ! <_<

What a nice bloke.
Happy to chat for fifteen minutes on Saturday, told us about riding the NR500 against King Kenny is a US national race.
He was 19 yo old and beat the king!

[F5 Dave]

Surprised at your experience. I've not been since 2002 but always thought that the Aussies attended to details really well with a more polished effort 6 years in a row. Siberia gives a good view but you'll see what I meant by a tarpaulin is good for your back.

Speakers were always fine with earplugs in and there was in later years monitors placed right in front of stands so you could see mist of track and clearly ahead of you.

[george formby]

Amazin tech!

The numbers from MM's little off in qualifying.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2019/11/06/alpinestars-release-data-of-marquez-sepang-crash/317488

[merv]

Amazin tech!

The numbers from MM's little off in qualifying.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2019/11/06/alpinestars-release-data-of-marquez-sepang-crash/317488

I'm hoping the champ learns from this having had two bad offs in the last few weeks and gets back to just going fast in practice and qualifying and sod the others, because he doesn't need to take such risks when he can blitz through the field anyway. I'm guessing that at worst he might have been about 4th on the grid and not 11th if it wasn't for his dicking around letting the tyres goes cold.

[Reckless]

Amazin tech!

The numbers from MM's little off in qualifying.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2019/11/06/alpinestars-release-data-of-marquez-sepang-crash/317488

He said in an interview they are testing parts and setting up for 2020 now they have won the championship.
So I'm guessing he wont have the optimum set up. Nice luxury to have :)

[Autech]

He said in an interview they are testing parts and setting up for 2020 now they have won the championship.
So I'm guessing he wont have the optimum set up. Nice luxury to have :)Yup doesn't bode well for those of us wanting less MM domination next year

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[F5 Dave]

Decrease his engine size by 10% every time he wins

[Autech]

Decrease his engine size by 10% every time he winsWe did that in an online race series once.
Made life a bit tricky for some of us at the end!

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[sugilite]

Yup doesn't bode well for those of us wanting less MM domination next year

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I'm hoping Yamaha will give FQ a decent bike next year, and they other Yamaha riders as well. Won't hold my breath though.

[BMWST?]

I'm hoping Yamaha will give FQ a decent bike next year, and they other Yamaha riders as well. Won't hold my breath though.
the problem i have with this is that nothing comes for free.The Honda and the Ducati pay for their extra power,A more powerful Yamaha may not actually be better

[Reckless]

Lorenzo set for 3pm Valencia Press Conference
The five-time World Champion will be joined by Dorna Sports CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta at the Circuit Ricardo Tormo on Thursday
Tags MotoGP, 2019, GRAN PREMIO MOTUL DE LA COMUNITAT VALENCIANA, Jorge Lorenzo, Repsol Honda Team, #MotoGP, #MotoGP
At 15:00 local time (GMT+1) at the Gran Premio Motul de la Comunitat Valenciana, Repsol Honda Team’s Jorge Lorenzo will hold an exceptional Press Conference alongside Dorna Sports CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta.

Wadya reckon Honda have had enough????

Placing bets till 3pm.............................

[onearmedbandit]

Lorenzo set for 3pm Valencia Press Conference
The five-time World Champion will be joined by Dorna Sports CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta at the Circuit Ricardo Tormo on Thursday
Tags MotoGP, 2019, GRAN PREMIO MOTUL DE LA COMUNITAT VALENCIANA, Jorge Lorenzo, Repsol Honda Team, #MotoGP, #MotoGP
At 15:00 local time (GMT+1) at the Gran Premio Motul de la Comunitat Valenciana, Repsol Honda Team’s Jorge Lorenzo will hold an exceptional Press Conference alongside Dorna Sports CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta.

Wadya reckon Honda have had enough????

Placing bets till 3pm.............................

Oh wow that's quite a big deal.

[mulletman]

So it is

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/933643/1/official-jorge-lorenzo-announces-motogp-retirement

[onearmedbandit]

Watched it live, very sad to witness really. You could see how cut he was, it's been his life. The sport lost a great champion.

[Autech]

Dumb. But with the injuries he sustained this year I am happy he called it quits.

He's already proven himself to any true fan of the sport many times and to continue after so many nasty falls would be silly. Tis a shame as he could have been the rider to give MM a fair run given the time injury free.

Now they will sign Zarco, who has 1/4 Lorenzos talent so I doubt MM will have too much of a challenge from the other side of the garage. I give Zarco one season before Repsol axe him or he calls it quits all together. Going to be interesting!

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[ecko_nzed]

Alex Marquez to join Repsol Honda in the motoGP brother team!..... Unlikely, but I would interested to see if lil bro could ride it like Marc does.

So likely to go to Zarco, or will Cal get vocal about it rightfully being his ride?

Or will they bring in another rookie from Moto2, say like Jorge Navarro, see if he can emulate Quartararo's success?

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[Autech]

Cal is a monster rider so unlikely.

Its going to be Zarco, he already had an offer for this year his manager turned down, so HRC be happy I think. He did fairly well on the 18 bike too.

Such a shame the the Espagaro brothers, Binder and Olivera are tied down though, those boys would do bloody well on that bike I think

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[merv]

Wadya reckon Honda have had enough????



Seems like Carmelo Ezpeleta from Dorna was pushing him to make the decision too because it wasn't good for his "show". Honda seemed to be honouring his contract and by him making the choice it leaves them free to choose now.

[pritch]

That is sad news. Lorenzo was never really a "loveable" character, but there is no question he was an all time great rider. He is unlikely to be on the bones of his arse, I hope he finds a rewarding new direction.

Not sure about Crutchlow as a replacement, he has reportedly been contemplating retirement himself.

Repsol have shown a preference for Spanish passports, but a brother might be a tad too incestuous?

[Drew]

Disappointed Lorenzo didn't do one more year on the Ducati and called it quits from there. He was on for a title with another season on that I reckon.

[merv]

Disappointed Lorenzo didn't do one more year on the Ducati and called it quits from there. He was on for a title with another season on that I reckon.

If he hadn't gotten injured on the Ducati and hadn't missed races on it in 2018 his result might have been pretty good then and yeah who knows how well he could have gone on it this year.

[Autech]

It will be a big what if for many years to come. No doubt that Ducati has title potential and the way JL rode it looked very good for twisty tracks where dovi struggles
Ducati dun phucked up for sure!

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[BMWST?]

Disappointed Lorenzo didn't do one more year on the Ducati and called it quits from there. He was on for a title with another season on that I reckon.
Agree 100 %

[BMWST?]

If he hadn't gotten injured on the Ducati and hadn't missed races on it in 2018 his result might have been pretty good then and yeah who knows how well he could have gone on it this year.
it was easy to see how well he was gonna go,he won some races and was right up there in others and was on pole in Aragon when the injuries started

[Reckless]

I didnt like Lorenzo much made no secret of that, but this seems quite fitting.

Respect to him :)

https://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/jorge-lorenzo-and-the-hill-he-couldnt-climb/?fbclid=IwAR33xoueV_AgR-e9CYNW6HaXmDGISuJ1d1I4C7KQ8DS8NWWcelRdijfyh2U

[merv]

Well that's a wrap for the 2019 season. Great for Honda and Marc to win the triple crown. Shame Jorge didn't have more success and not have to retire after his injuries.

So when is Rossi retiring too? They could all go on a fishing holiday in Queensland with Casey.

[sugilite]

Another MM benefit race. He is unstoppable right now. The rumor his brother will join MM in Repsol team is gaining traction.
I can imagine MM's contract negotiations.
"Mr Honda, you will be signing Alex on as my Team mate for 2020.
Honda, "ermmmm"
MM "Hmm, the Ducati looks quite good"
Honda "Marc, please sign here, and Alex, please sign here"
:laugh:

[pritch]

So when is Rossi retiring too?

He said that he'd wait until after the first few races next year. Circulating in sixth or eighth or whatever can't be much fun for him though. I'd rather he canned it this year than wobbled around at the back of the field all next year.

If this test doesn't answer all of his problems it might be time to move to plan B. Zarco won't mind.

[onearmedbandit]

He said that he'd wait until after the first few races next year. Circulating in sixth or eighth or whatever can't be much fun for him though. I'd rather he canned it this year than wobbled around at the back of the field all next year.



He set the fastest lap in the previous race, he's not exactly wobbling around yet.

[merv]

Back in 2017 Maverick had done well at the tests and then won the first two races. Me being a Honda fan I thought oh, oh, you're going have to pull finger to beat this boy. Somewhere along the line Yamaha did it for them and it seemed like the harder they tried to please Rossi, the worse they made the bike, and only now has Maverick been making some progress again but I reckon he lost his opportunity as Marc has just got better over the three seasons.

[badlieutenant]

I'm not sure Yamaha is pandering to rossi bike wise. Someone on here may know different. I think the Yamaha is down on power but I wonder if the tyres are more suited to the power delivery of the v4 s? Most of the field have that configuration so it would make sense to develop with that in mind? It's good to have handling but pointless if they all ride past you on the exit.
Shame about lorenzo. I really wanted him to make a come back.
And I'm not not a fan.

[Oscar]

I'm not sure Yamaha is pandering to rossi bike wise. Someone on here may know different. I think the Yamaha is down on power but I wonder if the tyres are more suited to the power delivery of the v4 s? Most of the field have that configuration so it would make sense to develop with that in mind? It's good to have handling but pointless if they all ride past you on the exit.
Shame about lorenzo. I really wanted him to make a come back.
And I'm not not a fan.

Of course Yamaha weren't pandering to Rossi.
They had a guy on their team with two decades experience, a man who was one of the few riders who had won championships in consecutive years on different marques.
They would have been crazy to ignore his input.
But there is also no evidence that they ignored Vinales input.

Whatever happened, they came up with a slow bike which had problems with the new tyres (your theory about the new tyres and v4's has some merit) and the new ECU.
And BOTH riders struggled with it.

[merv]

Whatever happened, they came up with a slow bike which had problems with the new tyres (your theory about the new tyres and v4's has some merit) and the new ECU.
And BOTH riders struggled with it.

Weird thing was how Maverick started off in his first year, he really made it look like Marc had some competition, but then poof he was gone.

[Oscar]

Weird thing was how Maverick started off in his first year, he really made it look like Marc had some competition, but then poof he was gone.

So you think that Maverick was sabotaged by Vale?
Or Yamaha? Or both?


Also: the major problem appears to be lack of power.
You do know that major teams can't modify engines during the year?

[merv]

So you think that Maverick was sabotaged by Vale?
Or Yamaha? Or both?


Also: the major problem appears to be lack of power.
You do know that major teams can't modify engines during the year?

Yeah know all that stuff, and whether you'd call it sabotage is probably a bit strong but you do wonder about what they did with the balance of the bike to try and please the old guy and if so why alter Mav's bike too if that was the case or was it Michelin really changing the tyres or something? Whatever happened it knocked Mav's performance part way into the year. While Yams have never had the power and speed of Hondas, until recently they also seemed screwed by lack of traction for those dark years, or at least that's what the riders kept saying, but along comes Petronas having much less trouble with that. It is just plain weird.

Some say they weren't on top of the spec ECU and software until they hired an ex Ducati guy, but none of that explains why Mav was fastest in testing on debut, turned that into two wins immediately, and then he was done for and went a couple of years in the wilderness when he had already started with all the spec gear.

So I don't know Oscar, what does your inside man tell you or does he not gossip?

[Oscar]

Yeah know all that stuff, and whether you'd call it sabotage is probably a bit strong but you do wonder about what they did with the balance of the bike to try and please the old guy and if so why alter Mav's bike too if that was the case or was it Michelin really changing the tyres or something? Whatever happened it knocked Mav's performance part way into the year. While Yams have never had the power and speed of Hondas, until recently they also seemed screwed by lack of traction for those dark years, or at least that's what the riders kept saying, but along comes Petronas having much less trouble with that. It is just plain weird.

Some say they weren't on top of the spec ECU and software until they hired an ex Ducati guy, but none of that explains why Mav was fastest in testing on debut, turned that into two wins immediately, and then he was done for and went a couple of years in the wilderness when he had already started with all the spec gear.

So I don't know Oscar, what does your inside man tell you or does he not gossip?

What's it they say - correlation is not causation?
Just because VR was in the team, and complained about the bike doesn't mean that he's to blame for MV's problems.

And no, I don't know anyone in Team Yamaha anymore.
Only Dorna and KTM/Red Bull.

[Reckless]

Where's the post about the Marquez boys both in the Honda GP Team??
Damn news is two days old already?
I thought that might kick off a bit of discussion ?

Edit: OH I get it, you all buggered off to new places and left me behind, Bloody fine bunch LMAO :Oi:

[merv]

Where's the post about the Marquez boys both in the Honda GP Team??
Edit: OH I get it, you all buggered off to new places and left me behind, Bloody fine bunch LMAO :Oi:

Yeah that's right that's 2020 racing year news so I got the new thread started here: https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/187287-MotoGP-2020?highlight=motogp

[Reckless]

Yeah that's right that's 2020 racing year news so I got the new thread started here: https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/187287-MotoGP-2020?highlight=motogp

Thanks mate found it! Thats why I posted the edit joke LOL.
I don't often wander out into the wild. Couldn't be bothered with the agro out there :)