MotoGP 2020

[Reckless]

Virtual MotoGp what a load of shit that was :puke:

We bought and Downloaded MotoGP 19 for ps4 for this lockdown. 0nly $26 bucks as 2020 is coming soon.
Fun and Quite challenging especially with a broken collarbone from my crash at Motofest lol.

[roogazza]

Waiting for the first person to say there will be no season this year ??????

Have an old 50 " TV in the office here , I could plug in the old Play Station 2 I suppose ? great time wasting tools...... :rolleyes:

[pritch]

Waiting for the first person to say there will be no season this year ??????

Have an old 50 " TV in the office here , I could plug in the old Play Station 2 I suppose ? great time wasting tools...... :rolleyes:

I loaned out my Flight Simulator controller etc recently, it being eleven years plus since I've had a Windows box.

[roogazza]

I loaned out my Flight Simulator controller etc recently, it being eleven years plus since I've had a Windows box.

When the Playstation 2 was fairly new and I was travelling to GPs I found it quite good fun understanding the laps a little better.
But I've had a go again and whatever skills I had developed are now rusty !
Hey, I have a month at least to get back there. lol :crazy:

[Reckless]

We are not the only ones LOL even the big boys are at it lol
A more personal look inside
https://www.facebook.com/MotoGP/videos/222317995686161/

[onearmedbandit]

We are not the only ones LOL even the big boys are at it lol
https://www.facebook.com/MotoGP/videos/222317995686161/

lol brillant!

[pritch]

The FIM has handed Iannone an eighteen month suspension from 17 December 2019. The way things are going he may not actually miss all that much.

[mulletman]

His boss has his back for now

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/937617/1/aprilia-baffled-iannone-ban

[roogazza]

His boss has his back for now

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/937617/1/aprilia-baffled-iannone-ban

My initial thought is ,that is the career over ?

18 mths in the modern game, with all the young talent coming thru ? (but no doubt his bosses will contest that result.)

[Reckless]

Interesting Dovi Article

https://www.visordown.com/news/racing/motogp/andrea-dovizioso-expected-marquez-change-teams-hints-retirement?fbclid=IwAR2a7oT_Rpz2Z_ox4vQliolmKC9FCq I-w0ciFAfF7rxhIaLKwgOj4nIfheA

[SaferRides]

Interesting Dovi Article

https://www.visordown.com/news/racing/motogp/andrea-dovizioso-expected-marquez-change-teams-hints-retirement?fbclid=IwAR2a7oT_Rpz2Z_ox4vQliolmKC9FCq I-w0ciFAfF7rxhIaLKwgOj4nIfheANot surprised given some of the rumours. Ducati may find it difficult to find another top rider.

[Autech]

They have Miller and Bags
Zarco if those 2 don't step up enough, they'll be fine

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[F5 Dave]

Don't read the MatMaladin link below that article. Made me sick.

[actungbaby]

Dirty bastard .who was Aussie had bad rep being werid don't think was him maybe it was.

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[James Deuce]

Dirty bastard .who was Aussie had bad rep being werid don't think was him maybe it was.

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Gobert.............

[jato]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDJZjdKai24&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3xO_Y82kqCB9rIc23_fXX17GeJEN7dLhWBDe58l fxnKn_TJKc1IvEZKwA
any thoughts on this guy with his skinny tyres? Were the other guys pussies?

[onearmedbandit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDJZjdKai24&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3xO_Y82kqCB9rIc23_fXX17GeJEN7dLhWBDe58l fxnKn_TJKc1IvEZKwA
any thoughts on this guy with his skinny tyres? Were the other guys pussies?

Those bikes are purpose built for that racing, if not specifically that track. And that rider is a legend in that class of racing.

[merv]

Those bikes are purpose built for that racing, if not specifically that track. And that rider is a legend in that class of racing.

Seen that video many times before and it always is a laugh, but for sure a bike built for the job.

[onearmedbandit]

Seen that video many times before and it always is a laugh, but for sure a bike built for the job.

Guy Martin having a go.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/7WuymmgrZI4" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Autech]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDJZjdKai24&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3xO_Y82kqCB9rIc23_fXX17GeJEN7dLhWBDe58l fxnKn_TJKc1IvEZKwA
any thoughts on this guy with his skinny tyres? Were the other guys pussies?

Tyres are only as wide as they need to be, if you look at the corner speed of a moto3 vs a motogp bike, for most corners the moto3 guys are going faster due to the way they are being ridden to maximise lap time. For example if you fitted wider tyres and rims to a moto3 bike it would probably end up slower as they wouldn't allow it to carry the lines needed to put in a fast lap. I'd say that Japanese speedway bike would weigh half what that sports bike does, has all its steering geometry set up to navigate that circuit perfectly. Horses for courses, if the roles were reversed and that Speedway bike was at Motegi, he'd struggle to put in a time withing 30 seconds of the sports bike.

Here's an interesting article explaining some of the math:
https://www.cycleworld.com/sport-rider/motogp-extreme-lean/

[James Deuce]

Math? Change your handle to "Autist". Immediately!

[Autech]

Math? Change your handle to "Autist". Immediately!

Sorry wife is Canadian, some stuff has worked its way into my vocab. Eg it's the counter, not the bench. I've got her saying herbs with an H most of the time now though so it's a give and take. How I achieved that was we had 2 boxes of Mixed Herbs in the pantry. I got a marker and went over the H on one of then so it was Mixed erbs. If she asked for the Mixed erbs I'd hold up both boxes and say, which do you want? Eventually annoyed her enough to change lol

[george formby]

I'm surprised this news has not been posted.:whistle:

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2020/04/01/motogp-and-formula-1-championships-to-combine-rounds/

[Dadpole]

I'm surprised this news has not been posted.:whistle:

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2020/04/01/motogp-and-formula-1-championships-to-combine-rounds/

Two days late and two dollars short perhaps?

[F5 Dave]

Andrew Trevitt. Great journalism i think.

[F5 Dave]

Sorry wife is Canadian, some stuff has worked its way into my vocab. Eg it's the counter, not the bench. I've got her saying herbs with an H most of the time now though so it's a give and take. How I achieved that was we had 2 boxes of Mixed Herbs in the pantry. I got a marker and went over the H on one of then so it was Mixed erbs. If she asked for the Mixed erbs I'd hold up both boxes and say, which do you want? Eventually annoyed her enough to change lol
Pictures. I have a feeling she might be hot.

[actungbaby]

Yep that's him the go show .no nothing of the man so can't judge
Just vibe I got reading few bike magizines .
Just happen watch bike vids
Guy on here recommend for free
Wsbk race was cool .
Didint mention anything as example
Lol not done thing.
I never repeat gossip or such.
Always two sides to story.
Not bring folks down , but young guy
In his 30.s took his own life last week.in are block if flats.only just moved in.mentioned to his dad.
About his Ute shock was hanging down.then police where there.
No mention on net just forgtoteen
Person sucks though.
Wish done more .said hello anything.
Did say hello when moved in.

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[actungbaby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDJZjdKai24&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3xO_Y82kqCB9rIc23_fXX17GeJEN7dLhWBDe58l fxnKn_TJKc1IvEZKwA
any thoughts on this guy with his skinny tyres? Were the other guys pussies?Hehe yeah looks funny .doesint it.
Talking funny .what about the speed way,in Japan but race on concrete.
And the bet on it .like horse racing.

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[pritch]

The latest from the Grand Prix Commission.

[roogazza]

The latest from the Grand Prix Commission.

hopin for a GP by July I think I read somwhere ??

[SaferRides]

hopin for a GP by July I think I read somwhere ??2 consecutive race weekends at Jerez in July. Lots of issues still to work through from what I've read.

[pritch]

2 consecutive race weekends at Jerez in July. Lots of issues still to work through from what I've read.

No spectators, and no wild cards for Jorge.

[SaferRides]

Why inline 4's handle better.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/why-inline-four-motogp-bikes-handle-better-than-v4-motogp-bikes?utm_campaign=1413157_Mat%20Oxley%20-%20190520%20-%20Inline%204s&utm_medium=email&utm_source=emailCampaign&dm_i=4DIP,UAED,3796SX,3OQ3Y,1

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[jato]

I enjoy his articles but some of the technical theories can stretch the laws of physics a fair bit... I wonder if he should have mentioned the gyroscopic effect of the longer crank rather than moment of inertia - which would be minimal in a puny bit of crank compared to the mass of the rest of the engine that is wider than a V4.

[pritch]

I wonder if he should have mentioned the gyroscopic effect of the longer crank rather than moment of inertia

Would not the gyroscopic effect of the crank not be minimised by the engine running backwards?

[SaferRides]

I enjoy his articles but some of the technical theories can stretch the laws of physics a fair bit... I wonder if he should have mentioned the gyroscopic effect of the longer crank rather than moment of inertia - which would be minimal in a puny bit of crank compared to the mass of the rest of the engine that is wider than a V4.Yes, the reduced moment of inertia of a V4 crank means it accelerates faster. It's the gyroscopic effect that affects handling, with the longer and heavier IL4 crank more resistant to changing direction.

Remind me not to buy a Ducati V4 if I win Lotto.

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[jato]

Gyroscopic effect is when a spinning (crank) shaft doesn't like to change position/heading - a backward spinning crank still has that. Gyroscopic precession is another force at play and works at 90 degrees to the crank's axis of rotation - its a bit more tricky - for example on a forward spinning shaft if you lean to the right the precession force will yaw the bike to the right. on a backward spinning crank it will create a yawing force to the left (imagine momentarily losing the front and having an invisible force trying to take your wheel away further...) I've done experiments and the forces on a heavy long crank are a few kgs (newtons) for sure . but in reference to the article the moment of inertia mat talks about ......

[Cazzaniga]

if 2020 championship start will be only in Europe, without fans on circuit.... 7 Gp in Spain, maybe 2 in Italy, in Austria, and one in Czech Republic... no wild card for Jorge Lorenzo, Michele Pirro... here, in Italy, we are afraid about Valentino Rossi: yesterday, to italian press told: "I ride to win, if not possible i stop'.... Petronas is a second choice, so...

[Cazzaniga]

Ducati is talking with Dovizioso, but offering him less money than 2020..... https://www.valentinorossi46.it/la-ducati-ha-deciso-la-squadra-del-2021/

[Dadpole]

Ducati is talking with Dovizioso, but offering him less money than 2020..... https://www.valentinorossi46.it/la-ducati-ha-deciso-la-squadra-del-2021/

How am I expected to look at the main story with that line of distractions down the right hand side? :drool:

[pritch]

Ducati is talking with Dovizioso, but offering him less money than 2020.....

Perhaps having now made Jack a factory rider they have to make savings elsewhere.

Dovi might have cause to look even sadder than he normally does, but his options appear limited.

[F5 Dave]

It's a pity for the chap who tries so hard but has to live in the shadow of MM but for the fate of chance birthdays.

[SaferRides]

Ducati just never learn. Stoner, Rossi, Lorenzo and now Dovi. He nearly won them a world championship and a couple of years later they treat him like shit.

Good luck to Jack Miller.

[onearmedbandit]

Rossi just had an interview with Miss Perry (or is it Mrs?). He had a great time in lockdown, so good in fact he said it makes him more comfortable with the notion or retiring...and that a possible announcement on this subject might be coming very soon.

https://www.facebook.com/harkamal.singh.754/videos/3462037470491896/ (don't have to be logged in to view)

[F5 Dave]

Go to team owner? Just what would keep him ticking?

[pritch]

Ducati have dropped Petrux for 2021. One commentator thinks he may go to Aprilia.

It seems so long since we've had a GP I no longer know who is who outside the top teams.

[F5 Dave]

So will this extra time work for Yamaha to evolve their traction or will it give Honda time to create some other game changing technologies probably to do with paddock stands?

And will MM be laughing with extra healing time?

[pritch]

And will MM be laughing with extra healing time?

It's an ill wind...

[Reckless]

TRUE OR NOT TRUE???

The latest news report about the possibility of Pol Espargaro has signed for Repsol Honda for the 2021 seasons, something that probably no one was expecting, especially when one of the strong men of KTM had already made known that he was satisfied with the four riders he had and wanted to renew their contracts.

Espargaro has been in talks with Honda and Ducati in recent weeks, as he himself stated on several occasions, but ultimately it will be the japanese team that takes over the services of the Moto2 world champion (2013), to form a team with Marc Marquez until the end of 2022.

The loss of Pol will be a severe blow to KTM, which intended to announce the renewal of its four MotoGP riders soon: in addition to Pol, his teammate Brad Binder, and Red Bull Tech3 riders Miguel Oliveira and Iker Lecuona.

In few days, KTM saw Espargaro refuse the invitation to renew and one of their young riders, Jorge Martin, heading to Ducati to take a place in the Pramac team in 2021.

After hiring Alex Marquez last november for a season that hasn’t started and that will be very strange due to the coronavirus pandemic, everything indicates that the HRC Honda team wants to keep Alex as one of their future assets. If so, the rider can go to the LCR team to rider with an official motorcycle and all the support from the factory, helping him to train without having to deal with the pressure of being on the official team and in the shadow of his brother Marc.

This move would leave one of the current LCR riders, Cal Crutchlow or Takaaki without a place in 2021.

https://www.motorcyclesports.net/featured/breaking-news-pol-espargaro-will-leave-ktm-and-race-with-repsol-honda-in-2021/?fbclid=IwAR325xIOFE0z0x6PeLcd5z-A2MUk36iiuc610Z2ErJ2fEr7zawnnvLC99XI

[SaferRides]

It's on a number of websites, including Autosport. Wow.

Unlike ex-Yamaha riders, EspargaroP will feel perfectly at home on a Honda!

[Reckless]

Yes wow looks like they have Moved Alex and put Pol on the factory bike.
If he gets his head round the Honda it will be good :)

Now that might be interesting :)

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/149796/ktm-espargaro-set-for-shock-2021-honda-switch

[pritch]

All of which must seem like good news to Petrucci.

[denill]

Yes wow looks like they have Moved Alex and put Pol on the factory bike.
If he gets his head round the Honda it will be good :)

Now that might be interesting :)]

I think it is likely he will find the Honda more predictable to ride than the KTM. But yeah, it will be interesting.......

[SaferRides]

Puig says nothing is signed yet. But he's not denying Honda are talking to EspargaroP.

Stay tuned.

Edit: He did also say that Marc Marquez is the ONLY rider Honda has signed for 2021. Read into that what you will.

[denill]

Someone said, Johnny Rea to KTM......

[BMWST?]

motomatters saying the same thing but with a caveat....it may lead to Marc Leaving before his 4 year contract is finished

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2020/06/05/why_repsol_honda_signing_pol_espargaro.html

[pritch]

"But the pandemic happened, and upset any idea of a sensible approach to rider signings. Teams are having to think about their rider signings without having seen them turn a wheel in anger in 2020. That is making decisions that more complex."

That is such an important paragraph, and such an understatement.

[Southern scratcher]

https://www.bikesales.com.au/editorial/details/motogp-is-back-new-calendar-revealed-124703/

[pritch]

While we wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikv_lN4LKxc

[mulletman]

While we wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikv_lN4LKxc

Ouch !!!....

[Reckless]

Off the MotoGP site posted 4 hours ago

KTM confirm Pol Espargaro has 2021 Repsol Honda offer
Factory KTM Team Manager Mike Leitner says the former Moto2™ World Champion has the chance to become Marc Marquez' teammate in 2021
Tags MotoGP, 2020, Pol Espargaro, Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing Team Manager Mike Leitner has confirmed Pol Espargaro has received an offer to become Marc Marquez’ teammate in the Repsol Honda garage in 2021. The Austrian, speaking exclusively to motogp.com, revealed that the Spaniard is currently weighing up whether to remain with KTM or make the move to HRC.

"I can just confirm that these talks are going on,” said Leitner when asked to comment on Pol’s possible switch to Repsol Honda. “Of course, we will try to keep Pol with us, but we know very clearly that there is another option for him. There’s no update at the moment other than that and when everything is finalised, we’ll make a comment regarding that. This will for sure happen in the next few weeks. We need time to plan for the future, so we need a decision soon.

"At the moment, of course, we first have to wait and see what the final outcome will be with Pol’s situation but, for sure, in parallel, we must also think about our future. So, there are some scenarios on the table for us and we can only go step by step and, finally, we will start to know what decisions to take when things are decided."

"IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY NO TO HONDA" - ALEIX ESPARGARO
HOW IS THE 2021 MotoGP™ GRID SHAPING UP?
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If Espargaro were to leave KTM, it would mean they have two rookies and one sophomore on their books: Red Bull KTM Factory Racing’s Brad Binder and Red Bull KTM Tech 3’s Iker Lecuona, plus Miguel Oliveira (Red Bull KTM Tech 3). But a severe lack of premier class experience left by Espargaro’s departure doesn’t concern Leitner.

"Especially at the beginning when we came to MotoGP in 2017 it was very important [to have some experience in the team]. Now, the bike already has a level so we can see with Brad Binder, for example, he was in the top ten in Qatar and at the winter test in Sepang we had three riders in the top ten. So, it’s very important to have an experienced rider but when the bike is competitive it’s less and less important to have a very experienced rider; but it always helps."

The Austrian wouldn’t be drawn on any potential replacements for the former Moto2™ World Champion. Current Ducati Team riders Andrea Dovizioso and Danilo Petrucci have been linked with the seat, but Leitner is confident whoever KTM puts on their factory RC16 will be able to adapt: "All the riders in MotoGP are very talented riders. But for Andrea [Dovizioso], I don’t have to say anything about him, he’s three-time runner-up in the last three years. Also, Petrucci is a Grand Prix winner. All of these top riders have a huge talent and they will adapt to the bike, this is clear."

"I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO KTM" - DANILO PETRUCCI

[pritch]

The 2020 season, as planned, is to be an intense war of attrition. Anything other than a very minor injury will rule a rider out of contention for the championship.

Mat Oxley's take is here:
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/motogp-faces-its-toughest-season-ever-in-2020

[James Deuce]

No Mugello???? I'm not watching.

[F5 Dave]

Well if you're not watching Mugello, I'm not watching Mugello.

[pritch]

No Mugello???? I'm not watching.

No PI either. Almost makes Sepang seem attractive. Almost.

[Reckless]

Looking at Pols last interview about going to Honda all his body language and reasoning was saying hes going to go - its just about the money now - Thats my bet

so now we get this
It appears as though the final pieces to the 2021 MotoGP™ puzzle are finally starting to take shape, in particular when it comes to factory seats. Sky Sports Italia, MotoGP™'s Italian broadcaster partner, are reporting that current Ducati Team rider Danilo Petrucci has been in Austria over the past few days to continue talks with Red Bull KTM Factory Racing about replacing Pol Espargaro, who looks set to join Repsol Honda.

I reckon Pol will go to Honda and Petrucci probably to KTM because they both have little choice.

[steveyb]

You would have to think that Pol will go, all things being equal, but you know, the dream of taking KTM to the top step, even just once, is going to be a strong influence on him.
And finishing the project of which he has been an integral part from the start.
If Pol signs with Repsol Honda, there will be two seats available, as Ianonne is stuffed. WADA will not let him escape.
As Aleix said in his interview, the riders pushed for the testing and consequences, and in cycling, two failed tests = 24 month ban, immediately, no questions asked.
As much as I would like to see him racing again, I can't see Aprilia contracting Smith for 2021, but they could do a lot worse.
And who knows what Dovi is going to do.
Vale has not committed just yet either, but highly unlikely to hang up the leathers just yet.
I personally would prefer to see Danilo go over to WSBK. I think he will be very much suited to that style of racing and lifestyle.

[steveyb]

Well if you're not watching Mugello, I'm not watching Mugello.

Screw it then! I don't think I will watch Mugello either!! Bugger them......

[SaferRides]

No PI either. Almost makes Sepang seem attractive. Almost.It's not a very exciting calendar at all, and I doubt they will race outside of Europe. But at least there will MotoGP if all goes well.

[F5 Dave]

Screw it then! I don't think I will watch Mugello either!! Bugger them......
I'm thinking of not watching Philip Island as well, but I'll see how I feel closer to the time.

[steveyb]

I'm thinking of not watching Philip Island as well, but I'll see how I feel closer to the time.

Well, I am definitely NOT watching Silverstone! Weather is almost always shite there anyway.

[roogazza]

Little or no spectators for Jerez, I read somewhere ?

Man that's got to be a loss of $$$$$$$$$$

I mean 100 thousand tickets at what ?(I pay about 150 Euro for the Italian GP for 3 days )..... :eek5:

But hey, we get a GP at last ,its going to be Heaven ! :yes:

[steveyb]

Nice to see Bradders get Aprilia support for at least two rounds of the new season.

Who will they sign alongside Aleix?

A young boy waits........

[Reckless]

Petrucci joins Red Bull KTM Tech3 for 2021
The Italian will leave Ducati at the end of the season as KTM confirm the MotoGP™ race winner will line-up alongside Iker Lecuona
Tags MotoGP, 2020, Danilo Petrucci, Red Bull KTM Tech 3
Ahead of his sixth season with Ducati, Danilo Petrucci has put pen to paper with KTM for 2021 as the Italian prepares to step into the Red Bull KTM Tech3 ranks next season.

The 2019 Mugello race winner visited Austria to chat with KTM hierarchy recently as Petrucci went in search of a new seat in the premier class, and it seems the talks couldn’t have gone better for both parties. Tech3 Team Manager Herve Poncharal has called Petrucci a “team player and a MotoGP winner” – something the Frenchman obviously holds in high regard as he gets ready to take Petrucci under his wing.

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AND no Official word Pol has signed for Honda as yet??

[steveyb]

Petrucci joins Red Bull KTM Tech3 for 2021
The Italian will leave Ducati at the end of the season as KTM confirm the MotoGP™ race winner will line-up alongside Iker Lecuona
Tags MotoGP, 2020, Danilo Petrucci, Red Bull KTM Tech 3
Ahead of his sixth season with Ducati, Danilo Petrucci has put pen to paper with KTM for 2021 as the Italian prepares to step into the Red Bull KTM Tech3 ranks next season.

The 2019 Mugello race winner visited Austria to chat with KTM hierarchy recently as Petrucci went in search of a new seat in the premier class, and it seems the talks couldn’t have gone better for both parties. Tech3 Team Manager Herve Poncharal has called Petrucci a “team player and a MotoGP winner” – something the Frenchman obviously holds in high regard as he gets ready to take Petrucci under his wing.

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AND no Official word Pol has signed for Honda as yet??

Yes, only word so far is that Pol as been let go by KTM.
IMO, I think signing Danilo is a bit of a mistake by KTM, but fair do's, good on him for finding a seat. I can guarantee you that Herve was not supportive of Danilo joining Tech Trois, as their philosophy is to provide a route for younger and new MotoGP riders into bigger teams, not to provide a home for guys let go from bigger teams.
But, he will do the best job for Danilo that he can. I feel that Danilo will struggle on the KTM and may not last the whole 2021 season.
I really think he is better suited to SBK. Afterall, that is where he did so well as a young rider (Superstock).
Gosh, what is going to happen to Marquez A?
Someone is going to be really pissed off in 2021 when they are let go.
Bagnaia? Ducati love him, but he has to perform.
Dovi? Still no contract, negotiations in a stalemate it would seem. Will they cut their losses and sign someone else? Lorenzo? Could do worse perhaps? But is his heart really in it anymore, really? Moto2 rider? Too risky.
Rossi? Still no contract.
Rabat/Zarco? Rabat has a contract. Zarco could be a strawman.
Binder is going to tear some shit up next year, maybe even this year. Just you watch!
Aprilia seat is the main prize up for grabs it would seem.

[SaferRides]

The rumours are that Dovi is staying, which is why Petrux has gone. Ducati have their 6 riders as Zarco will continue on an Avintia bike next season and Martin will be on Miller's Pramac. I doubt Zarco is happy with that!

Apparently Rossi has enjoyed the break but is expected to ride for SRT next season. A sticking point is he wants to bring his entourage and SRT don't want to break up the crew on his side of the garage for what is likely to be one season.

[BMWST?]

i think this could be the beginning of the end for MM and Honda.MM will be pissed of that alex didnt even get to turn a wheel in anger before Honda pushed him out.
His desire to teach Honda a lesson may outweigh his desire for another title,though i think he would be in the mix straight away on any other bike.
Danilos stay at KTM may be short

[mulletman]

Ouch in more ways..

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/938592/1/andrea-dovizioso-hospitalised-needs-surgery-after-mx-crash

[Autech]

Been staying off here as the pain of no motogp has been too much. It's coming though!

Super excited for Pol, I've always wanted to see what he or Aleix could do on a competitive bike. Everyone says "Pol didn't turn heads on the Tech3 Yamaha", while forgetting that he was up there most of the time and during that period the satellite bikes had next to no chance against the factory boys. It's only during the Michelin spec electronics era that we've seen the sat bikes up there.
I think he'll do fine and Alex gets shifted to LCR where he belongs. Cal talking about maybe retiring in the media won't have done him any favours, and I think him spending time at home might make him want to call it a day. Taka is a safe bet due to his passport and he's done well on the bike that's underneath him so short of a left field offer Alex is either in LCR in place of Cal or back in moto2.

From KTM's perspective they're fine though, they've got 2 of the most talented young riders still and Iker who is a bit of a dark horse, he gave Brad a good run in Moto2 last year so maybe they have 3 of the best.
I don't see Petrux doing so well as the bikes look chalk and cheese different, but maybe the KTM will suit him and he'll give the other 3 a good seeing to. Time will tell. Not a bad signing from KTM though as he'll bring some knowledge with him around how the Ducati feels etc, so they'll be able to use his feedback to improve the package more.

Ducati's future is in Miller and Bagniaia, I think Dovi will get another 1 year to seal them a title and if he doesn't do it they'll lose patience. Its unfortunate he's around in a MM era has he would have done it by now no doubt, though Nicky Hayden did show that the aliens can be vanquished.

[Reckless]

Been staying off here as the pain of no motogp has been too much. It's coming though!

Super excited for Pol, I've always wanted to see what he or Aleix could do on a competitive bike. Everyone says "Pol didn't turn heads on the Tech3 Yamaha", while forgetting that he was up there most of the time and during that period the satellite bikes had next to no chance against the factory boys. It's only during the Michelin spec electronics era that we've seen the sat bikes up there.
I think he'll do fine and Alex gets shifted to LCR where he belongs. Cal talking about maybe retiring in the media won't have done him any favours, and I think him spending time at home might make him want to call it a day. Taka is a safe bet due to his passport and he's done well on the bike that's underneath him so short of a left field offer Alex is either in LCR in place of Cal or back in moto2.

From KTM's perspective they're fine though, they've got 2 of the most talented young riders still and Iker who is a bit of a dark horse, he gave Brad a good run in Moto2 last year so maybe they have 3 of the best.
I don't see Petrux doing so well as the bikes look chalk and cheese different, but maybe the KTM will suit him and he'll give the other 3 a good seeing to. Time will tell. Not a bad signing from KTM though as he'll bring some knowledge with him around how the Ducati feels etc, so they'll be able to use his feedback to improve the package more.

Ducati's future is in Miller and Bagniaia, I think Dovi will get another 1 year to seal them a title and if he doesn't do it they'll lose patience. Its unfortunate he's around in a MM era has he would have done it by now no doubt, though Nicky Hayden did show that the aliens can be vanquished.


I havent seen that Pol has actually signed you got some inside info???

[Autech]

I havent seen that Pol has actually signed you got some inside info???There is no official release but the fact Olivera has been named as his replacement by KTM would certainly indicate he's got something solid lined up. Only Zarco would ditch a seat that good without having something to sit back down on.

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[Reckless]

HRC sign Pol Espargaro on a two-year deal
The former Moto2™ World Champion will partner MotoGP™ World Champion Marc Marquez at Repsol Honda from 2021 onwards
Tags MotoGP, 2020, Pol Espargaro, Repsol Honda Team
The worst-kept secret in the MotoGP™ paddock has finally been announced: Pol Espargaro has officially signed with HRC for 2021 and 2022. The former Moto2™ World Champion will partner Repsol Honda Team's Marc Marquez in an all-star Spanish line-up.

When KTM announced their 2021 line-up in June, the notable omission from their four riders was Espargaro, bringing to an end the four-year relationship between Espargaro and the Austrian factory. Now, the rumours have finally been confirmed with HRC's press release on Monday morning saying the following:

"Honda Racing Corporation are pleased to announce the signing of Pol Espargaro," read the statement. "The former Moto2 World Champion will join the Repsol Honda Team on a two-year contract. He will join eight-time World Champion Marc Marquez aboard the Honda RC213V. Espargaro is one of the most experienced riders on the grid, having raced in the World Championship since 2006 and with 104 premier class Grands Prix contested."

Secondly AM
HRC extend agreement with Alex Marquez
The Moto2™ World Champion will move to LCR Honda in 2021, confirming Cal Crutchlow's exit after six years with the Japanese manufacturer
Tags MotoGP, 2020, Alex Marquez, LCR Honda
Repsol Honda Team's Alex Marquez will move into the LCR Honda squad from next year onwards, after Pol Espargaro was confirmed as a Repsol Honda rider for 2021. The 24-year-old's move into Honda's satellite team also confirms Cal Crutchlow's exit from Lucio Cecchinello's garage after six years with the Japanese manufacturer.

In a statement released on Monday morning, HRC confirmed that the younger of the Marquez brothers has had his current deal, which expires at the end of 2020, extended for a further two years to 2022. Meanwhile, Britain's Crutchlow will leave Honda after securing three memorable premier class victories during his six-year stay.

Will Crashlow get a ride or is he done??

[BMWST?]

HRC sign Pol Espargaro on a two-year deal
The former Moto2™ World Champion will partner MotoGP™ World Champion Marc Marquez at Repsol Honda from 2021 onwards
Tags MotoGP, 2020, Pol Espargaro, Repsol Honda Team
The worst-kept secret in the MotoGP™ paddock has finally been announced: Pol Espargaro has officially signed with HRC for 2021 and 2022. The former Moto2™ World Champion will partner Repsol Honda Team's Marc Marquez in an all-star Spanish line-up.

When KTM announced their 2021 line-up in June, the notable omission from their four riders was Espargaro, bringing to an end the four-year relationship between Espargaro and the Austrian factory. Now, the rumours have finally been confirmed with HRC's press release on Monday morning saying the following:

"Honda Racing Corporation are pleased to announce the signing of Pol Espargaro," read the statement. "The former Moto2 World Champion will join the Repsol Honda Team on a two-year contract. He will join eight-time World Champion Marc Marquez aboard the Honda RC213V. Espargaro is one of the most experienced riders on the grid, having raced in the World Championship since 2006 and with 104 premier class Grands Prix contested."

Secondly AM
HRC extend agreement with Alex Marquez
The Moto2™ World Champion will move to LCR Honda in 2021, confirming Cal Crutchlow's exit after six years with the Japanese manufacturer
Tags MotoGP, 2020, Alex Marquez, LCR Honda
Repsol Honda Team's Alex Marquez will move into the LCR Honda squad from next year onwards, after Pol Espargaro was confirmed as a Repsol Honda rider for 2021. The 24-year-old's move into Honda's satellite team also confirms Cal Crutchlow's exit from Lucio Cecchinello's garage after six years with the Japanese manufacturer.

In a statement released on Monday morning, HRC confirmed that the younger of the Marquez brothers has had his current deal, which expires at the end of 2020, extended for a further two years to 2022. Meanwhile, Britain's Crutchlow will leave Honda after securing three memorable premier class victories during his six-year stay.

Will Crashlow get a ride or is he done??

i think he has sealed his fate by talking retirement

[SaferRides]

HRC sign Pol Espargaro on a two-year deal
The former Moto2[emoji769] World Champion will partner MotoGP[emoji769] World Champion Marc Marquez at Repsol Honda from 2021 onwards
Tags MotoGP, 2020, Pol Espargaro, Repsol Honda Team
The worst-kept secret in the MotoGP[emoji769] paddock has finally been announced: Pol Espargaro has officially signed with HRC for 2021 and 2022. The former Moto2[emoji769] World Champion will partner Repsol Honda Team's Marc Marquez in an all-star Spanish line-up.

When KTM announced their 2021 line-up in June, the notable omission from their four riders was Espargaro, bringing to an end the four-year relationship between Espargaro and the Austrian factory. Now, the rumours have finally been confirmed with HRC's press release on Monday morning saying the following:

"Honda Racing Corporation are pleased to announce the signing of Pol Espargaro," read the statement. "The former Moto2 World Champion will join the Repsol Honda Team on a two-year contract. He will join eight-time World Champion Marc Marquez aboard the Honda RC213V. Espargaro is one of the most experienced riders on the grid, having raced in the World Championship since 2006 and with 104 premier class Grands Prix contested."

Secondly AM
HRC extend agreement with Alex Marquez
The Moto2[emoji769] World Champion will move to LCR Honda in 2021, confirming Cal Crutchlow's exit after six years with the Japanese manufacturer
Tags MotoGP, 2020, Alex Marquez, LCR Honda
Repsol Honda Team's Alex Marquez will move into the LCR Honda squad from next year onwards, after Pol Espargaro was confirmed as a Repsol Honda rider for 2021. The 24-year-old's move into Honda's satellite team also confirms Cal Crutchlow's exit from Lucio Cecchinello's garage after six years with the Japanese manufacturer.

In a statement released on Monday morning, HRC confirmed that the younger of the Marquez brothers has had his current deal, which expires at the end of 2020, extended for a further two years to 2022. Meanwhile, Britain's Crutchlow will leave Honda after securing three memorable premier class victories during his six-year stay.

Will Crashlow get a ride or is he done??He may yet get an Aprilia ride if Ianone loses his appeal.

I am yet to convinced that Honda have made good decisions about their 2021 lineup, other than Marc Marquez of course. Time will tell no doubt.

[steveyb]

IMO, Espargaro P is the next hungriest and talented rider in the field after MM and on par with Fabulous, but with way more experience.
If you look up my old posts, I met Pol in 2006 and said on here at the time that he was someone to look out for.
Yep, I'll take the kudos, thanks.... hahaha
As I have mentioned also, yet to be proven correct, I cannot see WADA letting Iannone get away. IMO I think for their sake they have to make an example of him, rightly or wrongly.
So, they won't let him escape. (I also met him in 2006 BTW. Pol was much nicer, also younger).
I would think that Aprilia could do worse than having Cal on board for a year to prove the value of the new bike, or not.
I was/am keen on Bradders getting the role, but Cal would be a more logical choice for one/two years, then hire a young Moto2 rider.
I would think Cal would only want one more year, if at all.

[Autech]

IMO, Espargaro P is the next hungriest and talented rider in the field after MM and on par with Fabulous, but with way more experience.
If you look up my old posts, I met Pol in 2006 and said on here at the time that he was someone to look out for.
Yep, I'll take the kudos, thanks.... hahaha
As I have mentioned also, yet to be proven correct, I cannot see WADA letting Iannone get away. IMO I think for their sake they have to make an example of him, rightly or wrongly.
So, they won't let him escape. (I also met him in 2006 BTW. Pol was much nicer, also younger).
I would think that Aprilia could do worse than having Cal on board for a year to prove the value of the new bike, or not.
I was/am keen on Bradders getting the role, but Cal would be a more logical choice for one/two years, then hire a young Moto2 rider.
I would think Cal would only want one more year, if at all.

Both the Espagaros have been epic in their own ways, never been given the best bikes in motogp though so now its time for Pol to show us what a lot of us already knew.
Aleix in my eyes is still the most under rated on the grid though, what he managed to achieve on the CRT and open class bikes was mind boggling, getting a podium ffs. Mad. He may not have the world title to his name like Pol but he still kicks in there and rides the wheels off the bitch.

Iannone is history I reckon, they'd set a dangerous precedent if they let him off, not sure if any of the cycling boys have managed it but it'd certainly help their cause if they can say "sorry I didn't know"

[HenryDorsetCase]

Crutchlow to WSB? Though all the good seats seem to be taken. Depends if he still has the fire in his belly.

[onearmedbandit]

He still has the desire

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/939411/1/crutchlow-my-story-motogp-not-finished

[SaferRides]

There could be a seat at Ducati. Dovi's manager says he might sit out 2021 if they can't reach an agreement, or in other words pay him enough.

[steveyb]

IMO that would be the end of his career in MotoGP. Nowadays it just moves too quickly and the demands both physical and emotional are too great to come off it and then try and get back up to it.
While Lorenzo is making noises, I think it is likely about feeling wanted rather than a serious tilt at it again.
I mean, why would you? Unless you are the most hubristic fuck in the world. George is ego-driven for sure (as are they all), but that much?
And he is getting a good wedge with Yamaha without the day in day out pressures.
Crutchlow back to Ducati would be sweet!! Imagine him and Jackass in the same team????

Oh

My

God!!!!!

[Autech]

Crutchlow to Aprilia seems the most logical move, Ianonne is fohked so they need to move to secure a good rider, it's not the kind of team that the sexy rookies will want to join so an experienced head like CC is a good bet for them. Will give us a better bench mark of how well Aleix is riding it too as CC is a proven race winner, where as Eaahhnone is a race winner when he can be bothered.

In saying that who's the next in moto2 to shift up? I'm thinking Jorge Martin obviously and the guy with the most awesome name in racing Fabio Di Giannantonio as he got 2 podiums on the speed up last year and that usually perks up the ears of the teams. They will have to wait till 2022 though as this years kind of thrown the market into disarray.

Dovi is a hard call, if Jorge is sniffing around willing to race for fuck all and Dovi is pinching pennies they might just tell him to eff off. Problem is there is no seats for him to eff off too so it'd probably be bye bye for Dovi, 1 year sabbatical at his age wont work especially with the talent sniffing around below in Pramac, KTM and if you believe the rumours Yamaha.

Can't wait for this weekend, been far too long!

[F5 Dave]

Wiff came back from the local library book sell off with a copy of Casey Stoners book. As a bundle of books it cost like 9cents. Literally.

Wonder how the ego would feel knowing that was the going rate for ex gp star's books compared with how much they think they are worth in seat?

That said I thought it was a good read, and they did offer him silly money to re-sign but he decided against.

[sugilite]

Crutchlow back to Ducati would be sweet!! Imagine him and Jackass in the same team????

Oh

My

God!!!!!

They would need an extra semi truck just for spare fairings :laugh:

[BMWST?]

MM leads the first session of the preseason test at Jerez (https://motomatters.com/results/2020/07/15/jerez_motogp_preseason_test_session_1.html?fbclid= IwAR2B6PMyFgUOdaxEDvhZnhXUN14Je0GNbMH4otEAl8IZtr5e upXHmjJ4F_M)

[steveyb]

Mildly interesting play during the pre-event press conference. Steve asked the invited riders to list their top 5 for the championship.
Only Rins and MarquezM put themselves #1 (or did MV#12 as well? I forget. LOL Old age....).
Does that mean that the others have written themselves off before they even start?
Pol has no realistic chance, so OK.
But Fabio has a realistic chance, so does Vale. Miller? Well, maybe not, so OK too.
Dovi was not invited, but all the riders put him in the top 5, and some in top 3.
As I say, mildly interesting.

[Autech]

Mildly interesting play during the pre-event press conference. Steve asked the invited riders to list their top 5 for the championship.
Only Rins and MarquezM put themselves #1 (or did MV#12 as well? I forget. LOL Old age....).
Does that mean that the others have written themselves off before they even start?
Pol has no realistic chance, so OK.
But Fabio has a realistic chance, so does Vale. Miller? Well, maybe not, so OK too.
Dovi was not invited, but all the riders put him in the top 5, and some in top 3.
As I say, mildly interesting.I'd have thought Mav would be all up in there.
Rins backs himself big time, he not afraid of any Marquez voodoo.

Predictions for this weekend?
Farq knows!

Heats going to play a big part so I think the rookies will suffer, only thing I'd bet on with Binder finishing ahead of Alex M on debut.
Lets see who kept up their training properly over lockdown and who's out of shape.


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[roogazza]

Got the remote last night (mum went to bed !!) flicked over to Sky ch 58 and watched some practice.
Nice seeing the bikes again ,spending the time getting used to the new paint jobs and leathers.

Nice to see the sunshine at Jerez, as opposed to our winter... Yamaha ..... go ! :rolleyes:

[george formby]

I see we are getting full coverage of the e-bikes with motogp video pass.

T'will be the first time I've seen them.

[pritch]

Just as we seemed to be getting up and running Barcelona has gone back into lockdown. Barcelona is Dorna HQ and most Spanish riders come from the area. Moto journalists are expressing concern lest that kill the remainder of the season.

[jato]

I'm so looking forward to watching the race tomorrow night, but looking at the virus numbers from around the world i've been worried the race may of been canned last minute... it might have been a pretty expensive video pass we bought earlier this year... Fingers crossed we get some sort of season - I want to see Jack give it a decent shot.

[Autech]

Just as we seemed to be getting up and running Barcelona has gone back into lockdown. Barcelona is Dorna HQ and most Spanish riders come from the area. Moto journalists are expressing concern lest that kill the remainder of the season.Say it aint so!

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[BMWST?]

there are no spectators at the circuit and i see everyone is wearing masks and some have visors.I canned sky earlier in the year.I might just go for the monthly pass

[pritch]

This is the latest on the situation in the area around Barcelona. Jerez is south of there and the circus is going to be there for another week. The question would seem to be where do they go after that? It'll only be two weeks until the Czech GP, it might be better to go there than back to Barcelona.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53458426

[mulletman]

Its been awesome to finally watch GP bikes going hard again thru all the FP and Q1 & Q2 sessions

Rins out cause of his crash with a shoulder injury

Fabio shows them again how to go fastest in qualifying , hope the gear shifter stays on this time...

[onearmedbandit]

Wow.

Did you see that?

OMG.

Wow.

Wow.

Oh fuck.

Well done Fab. Looks like MM won't be stuffing up plans for more wins for the next few races.

[mulletman]

Yeah alot happened .....ouch ! Busted Humerus ..

Well done Fabio :)

Moto3 rocked as usual.

[pritch]

Anybody who didn't think that was action packed would be hard to please.

It was pointed out before the season started that anybody injured would be in trouble because of the condensed nature of proceedings. Sadly several are affected already.

[Autech]

Epic race, what a ride by that freak, he proved he sadly is still human though... He's his own worst enemy. Here's hoping he's able to ride again soon as I don't want the reason he loses a championship to be due to injury, I want the young guns to ruffle his feathers throughout and beat him fair n square. That's racing though and he must have known the risks he was taking.

Talking points - Maverick going for soft front, in my eyes that Yamaha needs all its braking stability it can get as its their only defense against the big gun bikes that park it on the apex every corner. Fabios moves were all under brakes after getting a good exit so I think Mav was lucky to not have a Ducati or 2 push him harder at the beginning. Great ride regardless.

The KTM's- Holy shit what a step they have made in a past year. Pol was all up in their business and Binder would have been there too if he'd not made whatever mistake he had made we didn't see. He's already showing some serious pace way faster that I thought he would, KTM are in good hands. Honda will regret sending Dani their way when the KTMs all finish ahead of their Sat bikes and at least one Repsol. If I wasn't balls deep in renovations right now I'd chuck a cheeky $10 on BB and Pol for a Podium next week.

Ducati - I found it very interesting that Gigi was with Miller rather than at parc ferme at the end of the race, it's pretty clear to me where Ducatis future lies now; Peco and Jack. Impressive step up from Peco too considering he wasn't too great last yea, Dovi better seal that contract quick. Good result for Dovi considering his collarbone but a bit boring again, waiting all race to put the hammer down won't get him wins anymore like it did a few years ago as the tyres aren't as hard wearing.

Sad to see no fans to help fuel Fabios emotions at the end, absolutely flawless ride from him short of letting a Ducati or 2 through on him at the start. I'd say he had some left in the tank for sure, such a genuine kid and clearly has the ability to ride on the ragged edge comfortably without having massive moments every few seconds. I'd say he's got his riding style bang on for that bike.

Only one week to wait too, how cool!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I havent seen the race but was going to Yarrrrr me hearties tonight. Then I open Instagram and MM is on there in a sling/cast so I had to come here for a look. Dang.

[pritch]

I havent seen the race but was going to Yarrrrr me hearties tonight. Then I open Instagram and MM is on there in a sling/cast so I had to come here for a look. Dang.

Yeah, I watched the first two races last night, watched the GP this morning. Was careful to avoid social media prior. Dramatic stuff.

[Reckless]

Bloody Awesome racing!!!
Fabio well deserved
MM should have used has brains at the end. He wasnt going to catch Fabio and he had a few laps to get Vinales. unfortunately Hes fucked his own season.
If poor old Rossi cant get in the top 10 I'm thinking even he will not take up a seat that a young gun could have in Petronas. I'm thinking they wont be that keen.

What a night bloody glad GP is back!!

[mulletman]

Mat Oxley

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/you-cant-tell-a-tiger-he-shouldnt-go-for-the-kill-2020-motogp-spanish-grand-prix?utm_campaign=1477589_Mat%20Oxley%20-%20200720%20-%20Spanish%20GP%201&utm_medium=email&utm_source=emailCampaign&dm_i=4DIP,VO45,4LQXOI,3W3VP,1#

[Autech]

Mat Oxley

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/you-cant-tell-a-tiger-he-shouldnt-go-for-the-kill-2020-motogp-spanish-grand-prix?utm_campaign=1477589_Mat%20Oxley%20-%20200720%20-%20Spanish%20GP%201&utm_medium=email&utm_source=emailCampaign&dm_i=4DIP,VO45,4LQXOI,3W3VP,1#

Brand Binder on winning pace. Hory shet!

Get your bets in boys, that dude can ride a phuckin bike. The only reason Alex Marquez has a Moto2 title to his name is the KTM was a fraction too pooz for Binder to over ride for the first half of last season.

Also its a shame CC wasn't there for Pol to smoke after his comments about his results in Motogp and not being worthy of the factory Honda ride.

[steveyb]

Brand Binder on winning pace. Hory shet!

Get your bets in boys, that dude can ride a phuckin bike. The only reason Alex Marquez has a Moto2 title to his name is the KTM was a fraction too pooz for Binder to over ride for the first half of last season.

Also its a shame CC wasn't there for Pol to smoke after his comments about his results in Motogp and not being worthy of the factory Honda ride.

Couldn't agree more with those sentiments!

CC might also be one that might now be looking at the out door.

[Autech]

With back to back races and most riders fairly sorted for race pace, I am picking P1-P3 will have a lot more hot lap runs as guys try and stay in Q2. Either that or a few sessions will be used to test parts more than you would usually see during a race weekend.
Will be interesting to see how the dynamic changes for these rounds and if anyone can turn it around in a week. As both Suzukis were out as well and Aleix on the Aprilia I think it there may be an even better show this weekend, excluding Marc of course if he's injured.

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[onearmedbandit]

I have to admit I couldn't help posting this online in response to 'he should've settled for third'. No one can seem to argue it.

[pritch]

excluding Marc of course if he's injured.


I think we can take that as a given. Dr Mir says Marquez may be back for Brno if there is no nerve damage, and they are hopeful that there is none.

[sugilite]

I think we can take that as a given. Dr Mir says Marquez maybe back for Brno if there is no nerve damage, and they are hopeful that there is none.

Yeah, that's not the peace sign he is flashing, that is how many races head start he is going to give the opposition this year before smoking them anyways - legend! :yes:

[george formby]

Yeah, that's not the peace sign he is flashing, that is how many races head start he is going to give the opposition this year before smoking them anyways - legend! :yes:

Gotta say MM's initial recovery at T4 was a rare and beautiful thing to see. Off the elbow into the kitty litter, bit of roost and straight back at warp speed.
:gob:

[F5 Dave]

Mat Oxley

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/you-cant-tell-a-tiger-he-shouldnt-go-for-the-kill-2020-motogp-spanish-grand-prix?utm_campaign=1477589_Mat%20Oxley%20-%20200720%20-%20Spanish%20GP%201&utm_medium=email&utm_source=emailCampaign&dm_i=4DIP,VO45,4LQXOI,3W3VP,1#
Thanks, that explains my question

"Why didn’t the Magneti Marelli traction control do its work? Perhaps because the fastest riders prefer to turn down the anti-spin, which can get in the way when they’re using wheelspin to turn the bike, and rely instead on carefully configured torque maps"


Really was a heroic ride up until that point.

[BMWST?]

and apparently he passed 16 riders in 16 laps and all were clean(no contact)

[steveyb]

And now he is making noises about having a lash at GP Red Bull de Andalucia!!!
Really????
I mean come on.......

[Dadpole]

Thinking back to his Sepang faceplant, would we really be surprised to see Marquez lining up again this weekend? :eek5:

[pritch]

The short season is going to be a long haul for some.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/motogp-2020-going-racing-in-a-time-of-covid

[F5 Dave]

And now he is making noises about having a lash at GP Red Bull de Andalucia!!!
......

Think that's what I used to drink clubbing in the 90s:Punk:

[Reckless]

Miller so down to earth.
Not sure if you can watch this if your not a MotoGP pass holder but I love these behind the scene bits.
I did a google and cant find it elsewhere

Worth a try
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2020/07/21/free-miller-talks-marquez-crash-in-his-box-in-latest-unseen/334554?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=FREE%3AMillertalksMarquezcrashinhisbox inlatestUnseen&utm_campaign=Traffic&fbclid=IwAR0I7PnGPOnBeU-qDnG8SOLbpB9JM9wISwc3LF2TL4CGEm8LdIAtdNze7Fs

[pritch]

Worth a try
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2020/07/21/free-miller-talks-marquez-crash-in-his-box-in-latest-unseen/334554?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=FREE%3AMillertalksMarquezcrashinhisbox inlatestUnseen&utm_campaign=Traffic&fbclid=IwAR0I7PnGPOnBeU-qDnG8SOLbpB9JM9wISwc3LF2TL4CGEm8LdIAtdNze7Fs

All good. Thanks.

[denill]

Andalucia MotoGP: Marc Marquez 'heading back to Jerez'!

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/940254/1/marc-marquez-heading-back-jerez

[onearmedbandit]

And now declared fit to race

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/940258/1/honda-marquez-compromise-means-comeback-saturday

[sugilite]

Crikey, even the term "Alien" seems inadequate to describe MM!

[F5 Dave]

What's the bet he wins and has the same shit eating grin on his mug like hes not wrenching in pain?


Wonder if he bleeds? Coolant?

[rustys]

It must have been a Fake Xray surely ???:facepalm:, it just seems imposible that with that sort of arm break as per the Xray, and 7 days latter doing press ups to pass a medical, then going racing, just dos'nt seem right, the guys nuts :weird:. Have to say though it was a spectacular performance last weekend the guys superhuman, made all the others look slow, has no fear watsoever, how he gets away with out major injury has me beat. Roll on the weekend :woohoo::woohoo:.

[pritch]

It must have been a Fake Xray surely

Some of the stories are horrifying. Crutchlow denying his ankle was broken and walking around to show the Drs it was OK, pretending it wasn't hurting like Hell.

Another one, can't remember who, said his leg was OK. They made him jump off a table. He nearly fainted but had to act like it was no problem.

These guys are hard bastards. Especially compared to soccer players. :whistle:

[SaferRides]

With all the metal, I expect his arm is stronger than it was before. But shit, it must hurt.

I'm still gobsmacked at his ride last weekend. Not sure I've been seen anything quite like that.

[Cazzaniga]

yesterday Valentino Rossi was happy... less problems with the tyre..... https://www.valentinorossi46.it/valentino-rossi-riesco-a-guidare-meglio/

[sugilite]

yesterday Valentino Rossi was happy... less problems with the tyre..... https://www.valentinorossi46.it/valentino-rossi-riesco-a-guidare-meglio/

Can't he be happy in English? Just kidding, thanks for posting! :yes:

[onearmedbandit]

Wow BB is a demon rider. Top 11 separated by .486 of a second, amazing stuff. Rossi .4 of a second off the all time record (set by MV in the same session), still life in the old dog as Matt said. Be interesting to see what Marc's next step is. only 1.2 off the pace which all things considered was impressive.

[Autech]

Loving the new graphics on the teevee
Sam Lowes abbreviated to SLow.
Poor cunt :D

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[Autech]

Double PMSL on Simon. "Ahhhh shit"
Gold

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[mulletman]

Well done Fabio , showed them all again :yes:

Gotta feel for Pecco and Franco tho dont ya ?

Yamah 1,2,3 but in saying that they have gone thru a few engines and it must be a concern ( 5 for each rider this season)

Moto3 for the best race again - those guys !

[onearmedbandit]

Tatsuki riding for Sic58 becomes the first rider to win from pole at Jerez since Sic58 himself. Like Matt Bird said, who writes the scripts for that team.

[pritch]

The TV coverage showing MM walking away after the qualifying sessions with one fat arm and one thin arm was a hint.

Here's a better look, pinched from SKY TV Spain by someone more clever than me.

[mulletman]

The TV coverage showing MM walking away after the qualifying sessions with one fat arm and one thin arm was a hint.

Here's a better look, pinched from SKY TV Spain by someone more clever than me.

On the MotoGp site they showed MM doing lots of push ups and his arm looked ok no bruises, so piloting a GP bike in the heat exposed a weakness i guess.

[Autech]

Up there with one of the strangest MotoGP races I have ever seen. So many mechanicals and DNFs, must have been torture out there.

Good to see Jorge Quatararo in full demolition mode. That was dominant as fuck.
Until Maverick can learn to adapt on the fly to different track conditions he's going to have these up and down races. Tis a shame as he's one of the best, just maybe not a full alien.

So many good results ruined by DNFs, fair few will be sitting wondering what if, that's racing!


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[Black Knight]

Its Fabio Mr Autech, Jorge has retired.

[onearmedbandit]

Its Fabio Mr Autech, Jorge has retired.

That was a play on names I think, as the commentators remarked how Fabio reminded them of Jorge.

[onearmedbandit]

Ouch. You can scroll through the pics without going to instagram

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/940658/1/marc-marquez-reveals-and-after-arm-xrays

[Autech]

Its Fabio Mr Autech, Jorge has retired.

See below:


That was a play on names I think, as the commentators remarked how Fabio reminded them of Jorge.

This man got the reference :D

Looking at the consistency he did his laptimes and the brutal metronomic way, its impossible not to think of his Jorgeness, the king of fucking off at the front.
If a Yamaha can run its lines, look out.

[steveyb]

Good to see Jorge Quatararo in full demolition mode. That was dominant as fuck.



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I got it. LOL

In my non-medical but scientific opinion (and from having two plates in situ on ulna and radius), he aggravated the injury while riding the bike too soon post injury.
Plates like that are not strong, they are there to provide stabilisation of the fracture once reduced and correctly in place.
They are not there to provide the strength of the bone itself.
I would be not at all surprised if he bent the plate slightly.
That bone is going to be weak as hell for a very long time, years in fact.
That fracture will take a very long time to heal correctly and if the plate is removed (which in his occupation would be a prudent move, perhaps in the off-season), the screw holes will leave the bone strength compromised.
That's a lot of screws.
The plate and screws will always irritate the nerves and soft tissues if left in place.
The issue then becomes that removal is invasive and risky. But leaving it in place is also risky considering the opportunity for further injury in the future.

[mulletman]

Mat talks of busted riders and the race

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/why-quartararo-and-yamaha-dominated-jerez?utm_campaign=1484769_Mat%20Oxley%20-%20270720%20-%20Jerez2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=emailCampaign&dm_i=4DIP,VTNL,4LQXOI,3WXJ8,1

[actungbaby]

Yeah alot happened .....ouch ! Busted Humerus ..

Well done Fabio :)

Moto3 rocked as usual.That's attached to funny bone noo.
Yeah nasty his 213 v took revenge.

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[mulletman]

Ouch. You can scroll through the pics without going to instagram

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/940658/1/marc-marquez-reveals-and-after-arm-xrays

If that didnt work heres a pic at GPOne

https://www.gpone.com/en/2020/07/27/motogp/marc-marquez-shows-the-evidence-here-are-the-photo-of-his-fracture.html

[mulletman]

Yamaha chewing thru engines

https://www.gpone.com/en/2020/07/26/motogp/yamaha-engine-alarm-all-riders-with-new-engines-at-jerez-2.html

[F5 Dave]

Only watched it last night after avoiding media.

Bit surprised. Thought the 'Surgeons ' would have just replaced the broken part with a new one from the spares department.

[onearmedbandit]

I don't know if anyone has linked these up before but even though the vids are from last year it's the first time I'd seen them. Simon Crafar Tech Talks.



https://youtu.be/OIOtg6qiqqg

[F5 Dave]

Won't play directly for me but you can find and a whole lot more on YouTube . Hes not a polished presenter, but I don't care.
Cheers for that.

[onearmedbandit]

Stupid DORNA. Changed the link now, yeah they are great vids. He may not be the smoothest presenter but I like the genuine enthusiasm and knowledge he brings.

[mulletman]

KTM anyone :drool:

https://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/ktm-put-two-2019-motogp-rc16s-up-for-sale-at-260000-each

[steveyb]

KTM anyone :drool:

https://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/ktm-put-two-2019-motogp-rc16s-up-for-sale-at-260000-each

Well, I would have to have both. No sense turning up to a trackday at Manfield without a spare, eh?

[F5 Dave]

If Yamaha did that how many spare engines would you get? :innocent:

[steveyb]

I got it. LOL

In my non-medical but scientific opinion (and from having two plates in situ on ulna and radius), he aggravated the injury while riding the bike too soon post injury.
Plates like that are not strong, they are there to provide stabilisation of the fracture once reduced and correctly in place.
They are not there to provide the strength of the bone itself.
I would be not at all surprised if he bent the plate slightly.
That bone is going to be weak as hell for a very long time, years in fact.
That fracture will take a very long time to heal correctly and if the plate is removed (which in his occupation would be a prudent move, perhaps in the off-season), the screw holes will leave the bone strength compromised.
That's a lot of screws.
The plate and screws will always irritate the nerves and soft tissues if left in place.
The issue then becomes that removal is invasive and risky. But leaving it in place is also risky considering the opportunity for further injury in the future.

Fuck I'm good at this shit!

https://www.mcnews.com.au/marc-marquez-goes-under-the-knife-again/?fbclid=IwAR1zK2A4DgYuOFfSrN8ajQDxa-DYXsM__RpBWi4MrD4oPYkQTkqNq7XODWo

In the interests of his long term health and the safety of everyone around him, that should really be the end of his season.
Give another rider the opportunity for the rest of the season.
Come back strong and healthy next year, if the bone heals that is. It is possible that it will not heal well, especially now that screws have been in and out and in again, the union was disrupted which will have stressed the screw holes and done who knows what real damage, the break was a full dislocation, not just an in-place fracture, etc etc.
Oh well. Lots of milk and cheese and ultra-sound.

[pritch]

In the interests of his long term health and the safety of everyone around him, that should really be the end of his season.


Yes. He gave it a brave shot and has compromised his health already. I trust Dr Mir had a serious chat with the lad.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/motorsport/53643763

[Autech]

Fuck I'm good at this shit!

https://www.mcnews.com.au/marc-marquez-goes-under-the-knife-again/?fbclid=IwAR1zK2A4DgYuOFfSrN8ajQDxa-DYXsM__RpBWi4MrD4oPYkQTkqNq7XODWo

In the interests of his long term health and the safety of everyone around him, that should really be the end of his season.
Give another rider the opportunity for the rest of the season.
Come back strong and healthy next year, if the bone heals that is. It is possible that it will not heal well, especially now that screws have been in and out and in again, the union was disrupted which will have stressed the screw holes and done who knows what real damage, the break was a full dislocation, not just an in-place fracture, etc etc.
Oh well. Lots of milk and cheese and ultra-sound.Not bad!

Agree, if he fucks it anymore its game over. Give it some time Marc ze Doctors can only do so much

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[mulletman]

It might explain the massive bruising around the bicep we saw on the Sat.

[mulletman]

Lets see if Stefan Bradl can keep the Honda upright for a whole race

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/941117/1/marc-marquez-withdraws-replaced-bradl

[steveyb]

It might explain the massive bruising around the bicep we saw on the Sat.

Yep, dead right.
I reckon the fracture separated completely due to a lateral load.
Not much fun, probably hurt like the blazes too.

[steveyb]

Lets see if Stefan Bradl can keep the Honda upright for a whole race

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/941117/1/marc-marquez-withdraws-replaced-bradl

Yeah, I didn't mean for them to give Stefan the ride, but good luck to him.
But to be fair, no one else is really available except the HRC contracted WSBK riders.
Bautista anyone?

[pritch]

In case you are wondering where everybody is between races, it seems Andorra is popular. Simon Crafar lives there as do several riders. Marquez copped some flak when he bought a house there, the folks at home thought he was dodging tax.

What follows is the text of a tweet from Yamaha mechanic Alex Briggs.

Went to dinner the other night in a Japanese restaurant I had seen while walking around town in Andorra.Turns out its part owned by @AleixEspargaro

We went again tonight. Great feed! Thumbs up called Ginza41
Saw all the @suzukimotogp engineers there also

[actungbaby]

Yeah, I didn't mean for them to give Stefan the ride, but good luck to him.
But to be fair, no one else is really available except the HRC contracted WSBK riders.
Bautista anyone?I don't get why put him on the bike.
Why not let Carl or his team mate.
Just waste .not going learn anything.

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[onearmedbandit]

I don't get why put him on the bike.
Why not let Carl or his team mate.
Just waste .not going learn anything.

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That's all been discussed in previous seasons. Riders are contracted to their teams, their sponsors. Who pay a lot of money to see Cal or whoever wearing their logos and riding bikes with their logos.

[sugilite]

I don't get why put him on the bike.
Why not let Carl or his team mate.
Just waste .not going learn anything.

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It is always bloody Bradl or Bradders that pick up these spare rides - meh :rolleyes:

[pritch]

It is always bloody Bradl or Bradders that pick up these spare rides - meh :rolleyes:

First call is often the factory test rider, who will hopefully circulate safely without destroying the machinery.

[steveyb]

First call is often the factory test rider, who will hopefully circulate safely without destroying the machinery.

Yes, quite right too.
Fair enough.
Good luck to him.
Wonder if there will be any team orders to not finish in front of AM if he is going OK?

[Autech]

That's all been discussed in previous seasons. Riders are contracted to their teams, their sponsors. Who pay a lot of money to see Cal or whoever wearing their logos and riding bikes with their logos.

Yeah they put the logos on the bottom of Cal's bike usually as that gets the most camera time :D

Brno, one of my fav tracks on Sim games and one of the best to watch on motogp, bring it on.

[Dadpole]

Brno, one of my fav tracks on Sim games and one of the best to watch on motogp, bring it on.

Bring on Portimao. That will be a great track for MotoGP. :banana:

[mulletman]

Bring on Portimao. That will be a great track for MotoGP. :banana:


Man i reckon , love watching WSBKs there

[jato]

If Dovi wants to win a championship now is the time to get stuck into it ... sounds like yamahas hopes are going up in smoke one engine at a time... great entertainment for the masses though...

[F5 Dave]

He is the modern day Randy Mamories.

[jato]

Nearly but not quite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtD_U187zv0

[F5 Dave]

Ahh Pirellis on the Cagiva weren't they?

[jato]

Yeah but he was always up for putting on a good show - including looping it on the warmup lap at assen

[actungbaby]

It is always bloody Bradl or Bradders that pick up these spare rides - meh :rolleyes:Yeah don't get it who's going to know
If he lend Marc's 2020 machine
With fairings changed over.

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[Dadpole]

Peco out for a couple of races with a broken leg. Bugger. He was shaping up for a good season too.

I see Zarco managed ONE good lap. Olivera for a top 6 for my pick.

[mulletman]

If Dovi wants to win a championship now is the time to get stuck into it ... sounds like yamahas hopes are going up in smoke one engine at a time... great entertainment for the masses though...

ATM Dovi is getting points just by being out there picking up places as they come i guess accumulating nicely ?

So far everyones struggling at Brno with lack the of grip - lots of bumps and heat , track hasnt been re surfaced for 12 years . Petronas boys are leading the way, Pecco Bagnaia is out after his crash in FP1 with a buggered knee maybe even next weekend as well.

[mulletman]

Bring on Portimao. That will be a great track for MotoGP. :banana:

Commentators on the MotoGP site say its on the cards for the last race of this season :niceone:

[roogazza]

ATM Dovi is getting points just by being out there picking up places as they come i guess accumulating nicely ?

Thats the way he operates doesn't he Mulletman ?

The Doocati should be able to stretch its legs a bit at Brno,but I'd like to see him fight more rather than grab a position or two near the end of races...
He needs to make a meal of the tracks where he has an advantage and while #93 is suffering.

[mulletman]

Thats the way he operates doesn't he Mulletman ?

The Doocati should be able to stretch its legs a bit at Brno,but I'd like to see him fight more rather than grab a position or two near the end of races...
He needs to make a meal of the tracks where he has an advantage and while #93 is suffering.


Your right mate ,

Problem at Brno atm are the bumps, riders are saying its like riding on a wet/damp track when its 30 + degrees.

[mulletman]

Well done Zarco , showed the factory boys up by absolutely smashing them and taking POLE !!!

Dovi's way down in 18th and Miller 14th.

[BMWST?]

they lucky mm is out he shines in these dodgy conditions

[Metastable]

What a race!!!!

Some highlights here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ__2hFRwNM&feature=youtu.be

[pritch]

The young feller marked himself as 'special' a few years back when a technical infringement meant he had to start last on the grid, and he rode right through the field. It hasn't all been smooth sailing since, but now he's let the world know his intentions and he has the capabilities to match.

It was a good day for Marquez in that most of the guys at the top of the points table had a bad day. Ducati must be scratching their heads.

Seeing Rossi obviously happy at finishing fifth and that his protege had finished second seemed odd. Almost sad even.

[Autech]

Fucking awesome.
Best MotoGP race I have seen in a while. Look out MM the new kids are circling.

Had money on him last round for the win too, if only I'd done that this weekend lol. Who cares though so worth it to hear that national anthem blast out

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[Dadpole]

We all know Binder is the goods, but I really expected the bike only capable of the odd podium this year. Roll on Austria....

Once again Zarco made me eat my words. The way he attacked that penalty long lap was one of the highlights of the race.

[Autech]

We all know Binder is the goods, but I really expected the bike only capable of the odd podium this year. Roll on Austria....

Once again Zarco made me eat my words. The way he attacked that penalty long lap was one of the highlights of the race.

Still a bell end, how many riders has he taken out since entering motogp? I'm counting quite a few, he injured both Pedrosa and Olivera with dumb moves and was lucky to not have done the same to Pol. Going off his comments he knew damn well that there would be contact but didn't seem to care, Simon Crafar hit the nail on the head, with a big bike you want an outside in line on that corner, Pol was just doing his line. Showed up the other Ducati's big time though, that is a big concern especially for Dovi who's still without contract. My money is still on a Bags Miller team next year still though, its not worth the risk bringing in an emotion driven rider like Zarco into the full factory.
Awesome to see the KTM Zarco ditched smoke him, goes to show...

The KTM reminds me of the 2016-18 Honda of a few years back, rock solid front end Pol and Brad were just firing it in there and it was loving it. Such a massive step from last year its incredible, hope Puig is sitting there feeling a real wanker for sending Dani their way as that bike was sensational and even the rookies are doing well on it. Looks to have a good enough engine too, I'd say a very well rounded package now.

Nakagami very impressive, I'm hoping they give him a full factory bike next year as he's proving to be fast and consistent. If he's getting faster reading MM's data then it shows he's got the ability to at least mimic MM. Alex Marquez should not be getting a better bike than him next year unless he steps up his game big time.

[BMWST?]

speechless.

[mulletman]

Top racing thru all the classes , a good podium for Joe Roberts Moto2 as well.

[mulletman]

Bring on Portimao. That will be a great track for MotoGP. :banana:


Yep last race of the season :woohoo:

[pritch]

The weather forecast for Austria is baaaad.

[F5 Dave]

So will Dookatties obvious issues get worse, or somehow better in the wet?

What a race last week.

[Autech]

So will Dookatties obvious issues get worse, or somehow better in the wet?

What a race last week.

I'd say going off the riders comments they'll be better if its a bit slippery as they'll be able to slide the rear into the corners to turn it better. It looked good a Jerez so who knows? Dare I say it if Bags wasn't injured we may have had a GP20 doing better at Brno.

Bring on Sunday night can't wait! Boring track but usually brings on decent racing.

[steveyb]

Funny how the commentators are saying the KTM RC16 worked like a dream last weekend. But actually you could see the rear tyre losing traction and making the bike shake like a bastard, all over the place.
Just BB and his skill, and/or the ability of the chassis to absorb that, that got him through.
Pol's bike was a bit sketchy on the front, but MO's bike was pretty sweet.
IL's front end was not going well either.

[pritch]

Interesting comment about the atmosphere in the pits following Barcelona losing 2 - 8 to Bayern Munich. Dorna and most of the Spanish teams call Barcelona home. Some of the security in Austria are German, all are German speakers.

[steveyb]

So, sweepstake on where he lands for 2021?

[steveyb]

Interesting comment about the atmosphere in the pits following Barcelona losing 2 - 8 to Bayern Munich. Dorna and most of the Spanish teams call Barcelona home. Some of the security in Austria are German, all are German speakers.

They murdered them!! Figuratively speaking that is.

[Cazzaniga]

Dovizioso say goodbye to Ducati.. 'But i don't quit MotoGp'... Aprilia?? https://www.valentinorossi46.it/andrea-dovizioso-non-pare-intenzionato-a-smettere/

[onearmedbandit]

Wow Moto3 was amazing, an incredible race. But my god Hafizh Syahrin's crash in Moto2 was horrific. Luckily just bruised and sore but man that was sickening. MotoGP next, hope it's more like Moto3 than Moto2 thank you.

[actungbaby]

Not one overstate it.but Valli
Lucky to be alive .if that bike.
Hit him and his head.it been.
Another simicelli .that was.life over.
I think he have say he very lucky.

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[SPman]

That was f**king close Rossi was a bit wide eyed there in the pits..

[actungbaby]

That was f**king close Rossi was a bit wide eyed there in the pits..Yeah that was scary horrendous mate. Geez it make wonder about.
Retirement . goes show split sec.
Either way been life over.

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[onearmedbandit]

Damn I spoke too soon. One of the scariest crashes I've seen in MotoGP.

[mulletman]

Is Zarco going to get pinged for that horrid crash ?

Nice podium for Mir he kept his head right to the end and took the opportunity :niceone:

Good result for Binder again.

Not sure how Hafizh is , hope he's ok.

[pritch]

A bit odd seeing the air show and parachutists prior to the event despite there being no spectators. They were doing it all for our benefit. Damned decent of them really. :yes:

After the incidents in Moto2 and MotoGP there are several riders who should offer up a little prayer of thanks. That might have even been close enough to cause Rossi to rethink his retirement plans.

[ellipsis]

Is Zarco going to get pinged for that horrid crash ?




...at the least he needs a good kicking...

[Kickaha]

...at the least he needs a good kicking...

I'm not sure that is in the FIM rulebook

[Autech]

I'd be happy to not watch that crash ever again in my life. I almost closed my eyes.

Hard to say whether Zarco is at fault at all, I'd say he's entered too shallow in the left hand kink and suddenly appeared in front of Franco who was on the limit braking.

I've often said there is nothing more dangerous than someone changing line in a braking zone and that's exactly what this track layout promotes with that left kink sharp right hander in such close proximity. The question is whether Zarco should have done the overtake so late? As per the rules no but its certainly an on the limit move to make as it brings you so shallow for the right hander and across the braking zone. One of the riders said (think it was Jack) "I've thought about a move there" so I'm thinking most guys wouldn't want to enter that left hander that shallow on a motogp bike so would roll out and have a crack into the corner on the brakes.

Either way it shows how dangerous that track layout is with the speeds these guys are doing, without Red Bull being in its name it wouldn't be on the calendar. I'm just happy that the crash didn't cost any lives as there would be no surviving that if it had hit Rossi or Maverick.

Dovi doing as Dovi does again, wonder if Jack had more medium front tyres available if he'd have been able to give the old dog more of a run, good ride by all.

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[Autech]

Had a YouTube and there's a vid up on Sansone000 channel that paints a very clear picture of what happened from a chase view.

Zarco is a lunatic

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[onearmedbandit]

Had a YouTube and there's a vid up on Sansone000 channel that paints a very clear picture of what happened from a chase view.

Zarco is a lunatic

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Yeah even Miller said he'd thought about passing there before but realised the potential consequence from it.

Oh and did anyone else see MO's reaction to Pol taking him out? He was smashing shit up in his pitbox.

[Autech]

Yeah even Miller said he'd thought about passing there before but realised the potential consequence from it.

Oh and did anyone else see MO's reaction to Pol taking him out? He was smashing shit up in his pitbox.Yeah don't blame him, the guys had a real shit run since Zarco (surprise surprise) fucked him up last year. He's equally as talented as Binder IMO so it must be a real piss off to not be able to show it. Looking forward to him an BB battling for wins next year in factory colours.

Equal shame for Pol but he's showing some chinks in his armour that the other guys at that level don't have, can't be running off line and gassing it up without checking to see if its clear. The one with Zarco was more on Zarco to not block his line but this one he was on the kerb and gave it a wrist full while MO was running in hot. Not good. He'll get a win before the years out IF he can calm down a bit on track, its a bit ironic that he's leaving KTM for what is possibly an inferior bike next year, can't be good for his temperament.

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[Reckless]

I think Dovi had a point to prove!!!

For the rest Bloody HELL!!!

Here I am in the garage getting ready for the season but I Seriously questioned again if I should be out there??

I say again Bloody Hell!! Scary as shit!!

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[Brett]

Damn I spoke too soon. One of the scariest crashes I've seen in MotoGP.

Yep. Agreed. That was a serious fucking crash. VR and MV had some odds there that make winning the lotto a bloody sure thing. After HS crash in Moto2, who would have thought it would be upstaged in MotoGP. How Rossi came out and rode that restarted race like he did is testament to the man. VR46...the GOAT.

[Brett]

I'd be happy to not watch that crash ever again in my life. I almost closed my eyes.

Hard to say whether Zarco is at fault at all, I'd say he's entered too shallow in the left hand kink and suddenly appeared in front of Franco who was on the limit braking.

I've often said there is nothing more dangerous than someone changing line in a braking zone and that's exactly what this track layout promotes with that left kink sharp right hander in such close proximity. The question is whether Zarco should have done the overtake so late? As per the rules no but its certainly an on the limit move to make as it brings you so shallow for the right hander and across the braking zone. One of the riders said (think it was Jack) "I've thought about a move there" so I'm thinking most guys wouldn't want to enter that left hander that shallow on a motogp bike so would roll out and have a crack into the corner on the brakes.

Either way it shows how dangerous that track layout is with the speeds these guys are doing, without Red Bull being in its name it wouldn't be on the calendar. I'm just happy that the crash didn't cost any lives as there would be no surviving that if it had hit Rossi or Maverick.

Dovi doing as Dovi does again, wonder if Jack had more medium front tyres available if he'd have been able to give the old dog more of a run, good ride by all.

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Yes, I expect that we will either see a revised track layout or a dropping from the calendar for next year. Going to be some rattled nerves racing there again next round...

[Brett]

Had a YouTube and there's a vid up on Sansone000 channel that paints a very clear picture of what happened from a chase view.

Zarco is a lunatic

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP0YE3cdXzU

This one.

Fucking hell.

Any lesser human would be huddled in a corner rocking and sucking their thumb, not taking a breather and going back out there.

[manxkiwi]

I'm surprised Dovi didn't get a jump start penalty in the first start! He clearly moved before the lights were out. Check it out if you are able, even if just to check whether I'm going (more) nuts. I have nothing against any rider, I think they're all heroes. But the result might well have been different if Dovi got a penalty; he wouldn't have been on pole for the restart. That crash and carnage was proper scary though eh?

[steveyb]

I'm surprised Dovi didn't get a jump start penalty in the first start! He clearly moved before the lights were out. Check it out if you are able, even if just to check whether I'm going (more) nuts. I have nothing against any rider, I think they're all heroes. But the result might well have been different if Dovi got a penalty; he wouldn't have been on pole for the restart. That crash and carnage was proper scary though eh?

By joves I think you are dead right!! I just had another look at it and while it is tough to see both him and the lights directly, using my cat-like peripheral vision, it looks very much like he jumped.
Surely though, he would have been caught by the system.
But recall, they had had some issues with the timing system during the weekend.

But also very interesting and cool, is the shot from Jackass's bike just as he prepares for the start. He reaches over and turns the launch device switch and the rear of the bike just sinks down maybe 50-100 mm. I can only think that it releases pressure out of the shock absorber somehow. I can't think of a mechanical mechanism that would be sufficiently strong to do that and still hold the bike up normally. How the pressure gets back in is key. Or maybe is operates a bypass valve to a remote pressurised storage tank or something? Because recall that they are not allowed electronic suspension in MotoGP. Maybe that is in the 'lunchbox' under the tailpiece?
There are people who swear that they use it during the race too.

Tricky buggers.

[onearmedbandit]

There are people who swear that they use it during the race too.

Tricky buggers.

Fabio has just started using it in races, I think Miller has been as well.

[steveyb]

My next question: Zarcos bike was pretty much trashcan food. Frankies, not so much. So, will Zarco have two bikes for this weekend?

[actungbaby]

My next question: Zarcos bike was pretty much trashcan food. Frankies, not so much. So, will Zarco have two bikes for this weekend?You are joking his Yamaha destroyed itself only good bit be engine .

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[mulletman]

You are joking his Yamaha destroyed itself only good bit be engine .

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Maybe yamaha could see whats up with its valvetrain (?) if its engine was a bit ripped apart ? No need to ask for permission to open it if it is already

[manxkiwi]

Just watched the slow mo highlights and the start is shown with the lights in the same shot. It doesn't look like Dovi jumped on that one. The main footage had lights inset in the top corner, so perhaps there was a tiny mismatch in the timing of each feed?
Interesting to see the holeshot device (also used on corner exit by Ducati) drops the back end. I'd have thought that's the opposite of what you would want? Back up, front down for starts, like in motocross. Clearly there's something technical going on that I know nothing about. On corner exits you'd have some downforce from the wings, but not at the start. Maybe someone can shed some light?

[actungbaby]

Maybe yamaha could see whats up with its valvetrain (?) if its engine was a bit ripped apart ? No need to ask for permission to open it if it is alreadyAha .yes very true .what's those valve springs jamed in there lol.

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[pritch]

Aha .yes very true .what's those valve springs jamed in there lol.


Did the rules do away with the pneumatic valve gear? I seem to recall they lowered the maximum revs permitted which pissed Ducati off at the time.

[SaferRides]

I just had a look at the calendar for the rest of the season. Mostly double headers in Spain plus Misano.

And can someone please explain why F1 is going to Mugello but there is no MotoGP there???

[Autech]

Just watched the slow mo highlights and the start is shown with the lights in the same shot. It doesn't look like Dovi jumped on that one. The main footage had lights inset in the top corner, so perhaps there was a tiny mismatch in the timing of each feed?
Interesting to see the holeshot device (also used on corner exit by Ducati) drops the back end. I'd have thought that's the opposite of what you would want? Back up, front down for starts, like in motocross. Clearly there's something technical going on that I know nothing about. On corner exits you'd have some downforce from the wings, but not at the start. Maybe someone can shed some light?Best one I have found on the matter
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/the-story-behind-ducatis-new-motogp-shapeshifter

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[jim.cox]

they lowered the maximum revs permitted

Isn't racing supposed to be about who can go fastest?

I know racing is full of them, but this sort of bullshit rule, stifling true innovation, that render the whole thing a circus.

Just look at F1. It has a long history of doing this. That's one of the reasons it is so boring...

[pritch]

Isn't racing supposed to be about who can go fastest?

I know racing is full of them, but this sort of bullshit rule, stifling true innovation, that render the whole thing a circus.

Just look at F1. It has a long history of doing this. That's one of the reasons it is so boring...

Long time no see?

TPTB decided Honda was likely to use their dual clutch technology, which anybody else would have to develop at great expense, so they banned it.

Honda then developed wildly more expensive gearboxes which everybody else had to develop at huge expense. The dual clutches would have been a lot cheaper.

Best laid plans and all that.

[Bonez]

Isn't racing supposed to be about who can go fastest?

I know racing is full of them, but this sort of bullshit rule, stifling true innovation, that render the whole thing a circus.

Just look at F1. It has a long history of doing this. That's one of the reasons it is so boring...I agree completely Jim. Same goes for the Holden vs Ford bullshit.

Apparently pritch always rides around everywhere at 170kph according to him. Maybe he should go on a race track.

[steveyb]

Very impressed with what they track people have done in only 4 days with the barrier at T3.
Additional gravel trap (ed: no extended gravel trap), new wall and barrier, tyre wall and airfence.
Looks like it has always been there.

And don't forget Le Mans in winter (mid Oct). That will be interesting.
I can see the leap at Portimao being problematic too.

[Autech]

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/942637/1/fim-stewards-penalise-zarco-morbidelli-incident

Good, seems Zarco has a biff it in and let the other riders sort it out mentality. Sadly going off his comments seems he's all in his own camp.
He was never making that corner.

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[Reckless]

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/942637/1/fim-stewards-penalise-zarco-morbidelli-incident

Good, seems Zarco has a biff it in and let the other riders sort it out mentality. Sadly going off his comments seems he's all in his own camp.
He was never making that corner.

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Rossi was always going to stick up for Morbidelli and at the eve of his career he is more concerned about making it through with more and closer last minute MM type moves happening these days.
But I think the FIM got that 100% correct with this incident.

[mulletman]

Maybe yamaha could see whats up with its valvetrain (?) if its engine was a bit ripped apart ? No need to ask for permission to open it if it is already

Yamaha have withdrawn there application to open up their engines , apparently it will give the other manufacturers a chance to see whats in there by asking why should they be given dispensation and show us the reasoning while apart.

[mulletman]

Fabio has just started using it in races, I think Miller has been as well.

Simon saw Rossis mechanics swap out a rear shock during FP2 yest and saw the Yamaha holeshot device , it is hooked up to the linkages.

Joan Mir is really happy with Suzukis and said he had his best race start EVER.

[pritch]

Brief discussion on social media last night.

Simon suggested that having a broken scaphoid and having to start from pit lane might be such a piss off that Zarco might just can the event.

One of the other journos suggest that might just transfer the penalty to the next event. Better to start, do a few laps, then pull in, pack up, and head home.

Be interesting to see how he goes.

[onearmedbandit]

Simon saw Rossis mechanics swap out a rear shock during FP2 yest and saw the Yamaha holeshot device , it is hooked up to the linkages.

Joan Mir is really happy with Suzukis and said he had his best race start EVER.

Yeah was watching that, not that I know shit but I figured it must've been mechanical and in the linkage.

[steveyb]

Jaume Masia, the exact reason why, in NZ, we cannot re-enter the circuit after crashing.
Fuck!!

[mulletman]

Marquez out for a while now

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/942789/1/marc-marquez-out-another-23-months

[mulletman]

Jaume Masia, the exact reason why, in NZ, we cannot re-enter the circuit after crashing.
Fuck!!

Yeah not good was it, i see they kicked him out of Q2

[SPman]

Bugger me - Vinales leaping of his bike at 210k...another red flag.

[SPman]

Fuck, what a finish! Oliveira did a brilliant pass on the last corner - from 3rd to first..... is this moto GP or moto 3!

[onearmedbandit]

Gutted for Mir and Naka, dealt a bad hand with the restart. But rapt for Herve and Tech3, and of course Olivera. What a race. Yamaha need to be addressing some serious issues, lack of power and grip is something but when brakes start failing?

[mulletman]

Gutted for Mir and Naka, dealt a bad hand with the restart. But rapt for Herve and Tech3, and of course Olivera. What a race. Yamaha need to be addressing some serious issues, lack of power and grip is something but when brakes start failing?

Alex said he saw bits coming off Mavs bike, Mav said they exploded

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/942954/1/vinales-brakes-exploded-i-had-jump