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Autech

24th August 2020, 08:58

Autechs musings...

Just when MotoGP can't get exciting enough they biff a 12 lap sprint into the mix. Mental race. Mir dealt a very tough hand on the restart but is finally showing why he was so dominant in Moto3, pure class. That's why Suzuki snapped him up from moto2 so soon. Ditto Taka, rough to work that hard and miss the podium. Genuinely earning his seat though and good to see he's not just there due to the Japanese connection. Who'd have thunk that HRCs hopes would land on him on a year old bike... Puig not looking so clever now.

The only reason Olivera wasn't moto3 champion was the KTM wasn't all that good for the first half of that season when Danny Kent won, from memory the 2nd half of that season Olivera was just as dominant as they brought in a new chassis.
Now he's fully fit after recovered from that shoulder injury courtesy of old mate Zarco he'll be rocking and rolling. Him and Binder next year will possibly be one of the strongest pairings on track. Binder looked out of control but pulled some awesome braking passes, his faith in the front end is mind blowing.

Great show by Pol and Miller, Miller looked gutted but I think Pol revelled in the battle, they left nothing in the tank cool to see the KTM have some serious strengths against Ducati in a battle.
Millers line into turn 3 is bonkers now that Crutchlow pointed it out, so out of shape but seemed to do the job of blocking a braking move. I noticed he stopped doing it when he was trying to attack Pol so it was definitely tactical. That kind of race doesn't really suit Dovis style of tyre management, when the young guns are firing in quali lap after quali lap he just couldn't bring the fire as well. I'm picking him for title contender #1 though still as he's just too clever to throw away points like some of the others already have this year.

Will be interesting to see if Fabs and Yamaha can step up at Misano, wondering if the hot weather at Jerez gave us a false impression of his chances of the title. He's gone well there last year though so I think they'll be alright.

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SaferRides

24th August 2020, 22:23

I felt so sorry for Mir. After last week, it is unbelievable that his team had not saved a set of tyres in case of a restart.

Congrats to Pol for his attitude at the end of the race.

Vinales ignored the advice from Brembo and fitted the standard callipers because he preferred the feel. Then despite a number of brake dramas during the race, he kept going until total failure.

And congrats to Tech 3 and Miguel!

Brett

26th August 2020, 19:28

This current season is feeding Boris and the MotoPG crew some good content. Bloody funny.

jato

26th August 2020, 20:50

SaferRides

27th August 2020, 03:36

A very insightful and i believe technically accurate rundown on brake issues to be found amongst the comments by "jinx"
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2020/08/24/styria_motogp_sunday_subscriber_notes.html#comment sExactly. After just about having your head taken off by a flying MotoGP bike the week before, you're out there a week later with brakes that you have been told won't last the race?

Then when they do almost fail during the race, you just keep going?

And Yamaha let him run the bike like that, and race control do nothing afterwards?

I'd better stop there before making comments about passports and teams. :)

Brett

27th August 2020, 09:31

Autech

27th August 2020, 14:35

Very insightful, and logically accurate. That guy knows his roses.

That man is the polar opposite of the commenters on crash.com :crazy: Knows some stuff that man, at a guess he's an aeronautical engineer going off his insights...

KTM, Aprilia and Ducati are all out on track at Misano with their test crews ahead of the double header nek week. Daunting for the likes of Yamaha and Honda who're clearly struggling that the most recent race winning bikes will have a chance to test the tyres and track. Not that they need it but I think this will be another leg up for the KTM riders to get another solid result, go team!

mulletman

27th August 2020, 14:40

A very insightful and i believe technically accurate rundown on brake issues to be found amongst the comments by "jinx"
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2020/08/24/styria_motogp_sunday_subscriber_notes.html#comment s

Mavrick and Lyn both said that they didnt have brake issues the week before so didnt need to change for the 2nd week.

Interestingly Taka San didnt have brake ducts / shrouds ?

F5 Dave

27th August 2020, 19:39

Autech

27th August 2020, 20:08

Good resource. Hadn't seen that site before.I'd rate Matt Oxley and David Emmet as the 2 top english speaking motogp journalists.

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SaferRides

28th August 2020, 05:22

Mavrick and Lyn both said that they didnt have brake issues the week before so didnt need to change for the 2nd week.

Interestingly Taka San didnt have brake ducts / shrouds ?Did they forget about the red flag in the first race, which was much earlier than in the 2nd race? Or not notice the problems that Fabio was having?

There's an interesting article on the MotoGP website titled "Yamaha: Brake's chaos and the serious threat to engines". Poorly translated but still worth a read.

SaferRides

28th August 2020, 05:26

I'd rate Matt Oxley and David Emmet as the 2 top english speaking motogp journalists.

Sent from my SM-A730F using TapatalkThe race analysis on Motomatters is now subscriber only but the comments on their own are well worth a read.

We are very lucky Matt Oxley is not behind a paywall.

mulletman

28th August 2020, 10:00

Did they forget about the red flag in the first race, which was much earlier than in the 2nd race? Or not notice the problems that Fabio was having?

There's an interesting article on the MotoGP website titled "Yamaha: Brake's chaos and the serious threat to engines". Poorly translated but still worth a read.

Can only think Mav truely believed he hadnt an issue with HIS brakes considering the red flag ?? Yeah you'd think from the other Yamaha riders brake problems that Mav somehow thought 'he'll' be fine ?

Still it seems the Hondas didnt need extra cooling and every other bike out there had ducts...strange but good them !

Cheers for the article and yeah that translation.

Autech

28th August 2020, 11:17

The race analysis on Motomatters is now subscriber only but the comments on their own are well worth a read.

We are very lucky Matt Oxley is not behind a paywall.

Yeah I'd decided to subscribe this time round till this covid shit hit and I'm counting pennies and spending more locally. Very true about Matt Oxley, benefits of being part of a larger group I guess.
Crash.net annoys me with all its tracker cookies etc but seems to be getting better, the commenters on that page are all trash though. There's a few others like Autosport etc that come up with something before the other chaps but mostly they're recycling the same news across them all.

I'm a bit of a new junky at the best of time so my morning ritual usually involes a check of motogp news articles then on to the NZ pages to see how fucked up the world is that day.

pritch

29th August 2020, 09:35

I'd rate Matt Oxley and David Emmet as the 2 top english speaking motogp journalists.

They are both excellent but it's a source of sadness that Mr Emmett now charges for his content. I don't begrudge him the money but there are so many sites now want cash that the Internet could get expensive.

Mat Oxley posted on Twitter last night that he had interviewed Nakagami's crew chief Giacomo Guidotti and HRC tech director Takeo Yokoyama about Naka's new found speed. The Italian web site @Corsadimoto had printed the interviews in Italian and claimed them as their own work.

Oxley was offended, as you might expect, and the Internet expressed considerable disapproval to the Italians. Sadly that sort of thing is not unknown. There's the occasional complaint from a GP photographer who has lost money because someone has used his work without attribution or payment.

mulletman

30th August 2020, 10:48

From Mav

https://www.gpone.com/en/2020/08/28/motogp/vinales-accepts-total-blame-for-red-bull-ring-incident.html

SaferRides

1st September 2020, 07:57

From Mav

https://www.gpone.com/en/2020/08/28/motogp/vinales-accepts-total-blame-for-red-bull-ring-incident.htmlThanks. Pleased to read that he realised he should have stopped. Quartararo also had problems with the new callipers.

BMWST?

1st September 2020, 20:41

They are both excellent but it's a source of sadness that Mr Emmett now charges for his content. I don't begrudge him the money but there are so many sites now want cash that the Internet could get expensive.

Mat Oxley posted on Twitter last night that he had interviewed Nakagami's crew chief Giacomo Guidotti and HRC tech director Takeo Yokoyama about Naka's new found speed. The Italian web site @Corsadimoto had printed the interviews in Italian and claimed them as their own work.

Oxley was offended, as you might expect, and the Internet expressed considerable disapproval to the Italians. Sadly that sort of thing is not unknown. There's the occasional complaint from a GP photographer who has lost money because someone has used his work without attribution or payment.
thats how Emmett makes his living,and i for one suscribe to his website

SaferRides

4th September 2020, 07:07

Bet you won't see this on the MotoGP website!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12361140

mulletman

4th September 2020, 10:59

Bet you won't see this on the MotoGP website!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12361140

Its ben circulatng around over at ADVrider last week , an aussie news site picked it up.

Not a blood relative so all good ?

SaferRides

4th September 2020, 15:29

Its ben circulatng around over at ADVrider last week , an aussie news site picked it up.

Not a blood relative so all good ?Yeah but who will pay for the wedding? [emoji2]

actungbaby

4th September 2020, 21:17

Its ben circulatng around over at ADVrider last week , an aussie news site picked it up.

Not a blood relative so all good ?Why doesint tv one ever have MotoGP on sports segment .
Only showed recent crash.but
Never mention results .all over
Boring F1

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steveyb

11th September 2020, 13:25

Jorge Martin out of at least Misano 1 and 2 due to positive COVID test.

That is a bit of a bugger.
MotoGP medical not aware of how he contracted it, and frankly they don't want to know, they said.
He is asymptomatic at this stage.

That opens up Moto2 a bit.

Apparently a Rookies Cup rider also tested +ve.

pritch

12th September 2020, 14:53

sugilite

12th September 2020, 16:02

It seems brakes are a problem again.

This from Mat Oxley this morning.

"Some riders saying the bumps are so bad it's dangerous - struggling to hold onto the bike and brake pads getting knocked back in the calipers, so no brakes at the next corner."

Yep, that is terrifying! My scariest moment on a race bike was from that. I put a 195 Dunlop on the ole superbike for the first time not realizing how much taller the tyre was than my usual. My bike was setup just on the twitchy, but just manageable zone in an effort to get it to turn in better. Hit the seal change on the first lap exiting higgins (manfield) just as I snicked it into 3rd - all hell broke loose! Instant lock to lock violent tank slapper, I held the gas wide open in an attempt to get it under control, still tank slapping approaching redline, so had to go to 4th, then 5th before finally wrestling it under control in top of 5th! Sweeper was rapidly approaching, hit the front brake, no body home, pumped the fuckers back and went into the sweeper waaaaay fast - and just made it - WHEW. Think I' was cleaning the shit out of my leathers for weeks after that one - had way to much time to think about the consequences while that was all going on. Turns out it had been so violent it had snapped the steering dampener right off the frame - opps. :crazy:

pritch

12th September 2020, 19:59

Interesting comment listening to Simon interviewing Davide Brivio. Mr Brivio feels that if a race is red flagged there should be no changes to the bikes. They should go out again on the same tyres, fuel load and mapping that they came in with.

Obviously his view is coloured by recent experience but he has a point. The restart is not a new race, it should be the continuation of an interrupted race.

I guess Suzuki made their point of view known to Race Direction.

jato

13th September 2020, 08:55

a fortnight ago it looked like Yamaha's were all deep in it - so quite a surprise to see them all at the front of the grid for tonight's race... will have to watch this one live. hopefully jack can keep it together.

roogazza

13th September 2020, 17:32

Nice to see the young Doocati dudes doin ok Miller and Bags.
Dovi might have left the building already ? :motu: :yawn: :shifty: <_<

Autech

13th September 2020, 22:10

What's the boys thoughts on Darryn Binder?
Seems all to often he's qualifying low, barging his way to the front the doing as his last name denotes, binned her...

Definitely has the pace but he's been in Moto3 forever... Wonder if we'll see him ever make the final step

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mulletman

13th September 2020, 23:13

Nice to see the young Doocati dudes doin ok Miller and Bags.
Dovi might have left the building already ? :motu: :yawn: :shifty: <_<

Bagnaia best of the rest behind the Yamahas ?

mulletman

13th September 2020, 23:16

pritch

14th September 2020, 09:48

Yeah i rekon he 'll get there after all Rossi and Stoner crashed plenty of times and come out more that ok.

"It's easier to slow a crasher than speed up a slow rider."
Rossi crashed a lot in his first year, won the title in the next.

pritch

14th September 2020, 09:59

Interesting thought from Mat Oxley.

"Motorcycle racing is never not weird: the MotoGP class with the tightest regs is Moto2 - same engine, same gearbox, same tyres, same software, same clutch, same fuel, same oil, same rim sizes, combined bike/rider minimum weight limit etc - but the racing is the most spread out."

Autech

14th September 2020, 10:52

"It's easier to slow a crasher than speed up a slow rider."
Rossi crashed a lot in his first year, won the title in the next.

Thats what I am thinking and hoping, but be good to see him not chuck it away so often.

Anyone else wonder whats going on with Albert Arenas' engine to make him so much faster in than everything around him?
You'd assume Honda would give everyone identical packages but hes got a clear advantage over the pack when he hits nitrous. Not the smallest rider too so it's an odd one.

Interesting thought from Mat Oxley.

"Motorcycle racing is never not weird: the MotoGP class with the tightest regs is Moto2 - same engine, same gearbox, same tyres, same software, same clutch, same fuel, same oil, same rim sizes, combined bike/rider minimum weight limit etc - but the racing is the most spread out."

Its a bizarre conundrum, I remember the first few seasons of Moto2 being shit fights all the way and then its slowly spread out over the years. With the switch to the Triumph engine I had hopes it'd bring them back tighter but that's not been the case.
I wonder if its the law of diminishing returns being shown, essentially the teams that can eeek that last few tenths out of the package can make the difference however small it may be.
Throw in one rider that qualifies well but doesn't do so well in the races like the German chap and you get big gaps forming with guys like Bastianini being held up behind him. I'd say if the beast was in the mix it'd have been a bigger fight the whole way through as he's not in VR46, but he's still under the umbrella so may not have been too rough.
All I know is that during moto2 I scroll on my for most of the race and look up when things happen, speaking of which that save was excellent, it seems the newer generation will be doing a Marquez on the daily now.

steveyb

15th September 2020, 09:10

1) Arenas is riding KTM, not Honda. I wonder if there are tweaks to the KTM engine that some teams have worked out or been told, some not. Perhaps though, his apparent speed advantage came due to over riding the bike and that is now biting him in the ass?
2) Divebomb Darren is a liability in terms of expecting a result. Absolute magic if all you are after is screen and commentator time, no question. Results? Good luck with that. He is simply over the edge with his speed vs ability equation. It seems to be that his 'finish the race' speed is about 5th - 10th place. His 'lead the race' speed always ends up either in the gravel or in 5th - 10th place. There can be no comparison to Rossi etc as Darren has been crashing for many years now, not just one. I am a fan, but not so much that I choose him in the Cormac Racing team sweepstake each race. John McPhee all the way!!! LOL.
3) Real shame for Raul Fernandez.
4) Moto2 is still cool. The racing is just different. I think the purity of it is pretty neat. Real shame for Remy. He is really showing great speed. But KTM really do need to reintroduce their bike. They sorted it out in the latter half of 2019, Binder, Oliviera and Lecuona were all riding it well, so it would be a welcome reintroduction.

sugilite

15th September 2020, 10:53

Its a bizarre conundrum, I remember the first few seasons of Moto2 being shit fights all the way and then its slowly spread out over the years. With the switch to the Triumph engine I had hopes it'd bring them back tighter but that's not been the case.
I wonder if its the law of diminishing returns being shown, essentially the teams that can eeek that last few tenths out of the package can make the difference however small it may be.

I'm wondering that if one rider makes no mistakes and the others make a small handful, that with the bikes are so close now, it is nigh on impossible for the riders to claw back the difference?

Autech

15th September 2020, 11:53

1) Arenas is riding KTM, not Honda. I wonder if there are tweaks to the KTM engine that some teams have worked out or been told, some not. Perhaps though, his apparent speed advantage came due to over riding the bike and that is now biting him in the ass?

I must have got my names mixed up, I think its Tony Arbolino on the rocket Honda. I'll reconfirm in a weeks time. Too many names!
It's interesting how the pendulum has swung back n forward over the years of moto3 between the KTM and Honda, when Miller was there he was the only guy doing anything great on the KTM despite a speed deficit, then if I recall correctly the next year the KTMs were slaughtering the Hondas on the straight. Its swung back and forth a few times but it seems this year the KTM is roughly as fast as the Hondas.
Every few years or so someone special like Mir or Brad Binder click with the bike underneath them and dominate the field. I love seeing someone break away in Moto3 as you know damn well they're doing something pretty special when they achieve it.

I'm wondering that if one rider makes no mistakes and the others make a small handful, that with the bikes are so close now, it is nigh on impossible for the riders to claw back the difference?

At this track it's also the riders themselves, the VR46 riders live at Misano apparently on street bikes, know the track inside out so it's little wonder so many of them did so well on Sunday.
Wonder with an extra week if any of the spaniards will be there for a look, its a shame Martin has the covid as he's looking to be the strongest non Italian challenger. Remy Gardiner is doing bloody well on a year old bike too, clearly having to over ride the package to get a result.

mulletman

16th September 2020, 10:48

Albert Arenas had a horrid crash it was a strange highside, the rear chattering with not much lean and over he went.
John McPhee did a great job winning another chaotic but excellent watching moto3 race.

Anyone else see The Beasts save ? lost it in a lowside and 'Marquezed' it back up well done Enea.

Mavericks back up on the fastest lap times again during testing yesterday and working with the medium rear , probably doesnt mean much eh lol cause the local fellas VR,PB,FM who live near the track are only going to be better this week... does anyone know why Mavs bike was smoking after the sighting lap at the weekend ?

Reckless

16th September 2020, 21:16

Anyone else thinking Maverick can't seem to get his head in the game during a race??

mulletman

16th September 2020, 21:52

Anyone else thinking Maverick can't seem to get his head in the game during a race??

Yeah needs a lie down on a couch and tell someone his woes...

F5 Dave

17th September 2020, 07:17

I think they accidentally put FQ out on pilot road 3s.

Autech

17th September 2020, 09:40

Anyone else thinking Maverick can't seem to get his head in the game during a race??

I think last year or the year before they changed the race format for a few rounds so that the motogp practice was after moto2 all weekend. Maverick suddenly did well in the races from the get go.
What it comes down to is he seems to need the track rubbered in to be fast on Sunday as he is used to it being that way in practice, that's why half way through the race after Miller has been doing drifting and laying down some fat skids he's suddenly the fastest guy on track. The track has the grip to give him the confidence to push, sadly by that stage everyone has fucked off and he's left playing catch up

He's essentially a rider not able to adapt as well as the others to finding a different track than what he was expecting. Simon Crafar is very critical of him I saw in after the flag a few weeks back, pretty much stating that Yamaha should be tearing up his factory contract as he's unworthy and signing one of the young guns.
I see in the press he's getting mad and blaming Yamaha, but the other guys don't see to have the problem so I'm guessing they're putting it right back in his court, probably with some data from some of the other guys who're doing fine. Sucks as I'd love to see him adapt and get on to it, but he's had quite a few years to do so now and he's shown no progress in this area. If Rossi is a Sunday man than Maverick is a Friday Saturday guy.

Reckless

17th September 2020, 15:34

Agreed :) It seems as soon as things don't go exactly the way he imagined at the start, it fucks his head, he cant settle, looses another place or two then starts to fight back when its to late.
Must be hard for the team to see great lap times qually etc, then shit, then good at the end of the race. That must point strongly at the rider I reckon.

Secondly the young up and comers are having so much fun this season not sure if I'd like MM to have the rest of the season off. LMAO
I think this latest result shows where the old guard and the new sorta sit atm.

sugilite

17th September 2020, 20:06

Yeah, thought for quite some time now that Mav is never going to be consistent enough to be champ, too much in his head come race time. Where as the likes of Binder and ilk, they are Sunday riders, they turn up on race day. Mav is the opposite of them.

F5 Dave

17th September 2020, 20:45

Strange new star KTM didn't shine very bright. Wonder what next week will bring?

pritch

18th September 2020, 09:24

Overnight Mat Oxley reported on fun times at the press conference.

"Classic press-conference moment from Dovizioso - journalist Manuel Pecino asks him about a Ducati CEO Domenicali tweeting about Bagnaia fixing the Ducati's turning problems with his riding technique. Dovizioso's answer: "I don't think it's a good idea for Domenicali to tweet." :rofl:

If you've handed in your notice, but you are leading the championship, you can speak your mind.

Autech

18th September 2020, 10:43

Strange new star KTM didn't shine very bright. Wonder what next week will bring?

Couldn't stop the bike apparently, big issues braking with the grip available. Goes to show how fickle the tyre bike combination still is, one week heros... I'd say Suzuki is the most consistent bike out there, if they could get it to qualify they'd be a much bigger threat.

Overnight Mat Oxley reported on fun times at the press conference.

"Classic press-conference moment from Dovizioso - journalist Manuel Pecino asks him about a Ducati CEO Domenicali tweeting about Bagnaia fixing the Ducati's turning problems with his riding technique. Dovizioso's answer: "I don't think it's a good idea for Domenicali to tweet." :rofl:

If you've handed in your notice, but you are leading the championship, you can speak your mind.

He's a clever guy and good with a clever remark. Interesting to note that he "Found something" in the test on Tuesday, at a guess he "found something" after combing through Pecos data from the weekend... :D
I couldn't help but notice that watching Peco on Sunday reminded me a lot of Jorge when he finally clicked with the Ducati, very similar looking in style and didn't appear to have any major weak points of the Yamahas in the corners. If he'd started up further he'd have given Frankie a good run no doubt. If he could win on that Mahindra...

Reckless

19th September 2020, 10:38

I couldn't help but notice that watching Peco on Sunday reminded me a lot of Jorge when he finally clicked with the Ducati, very similar looking in style and didn't appear to have any major weak points of the Yamahas in the corners. If he'd started up further he'd have given Frankie a good run no doubt. If he could win on that Mahindra...

And all with a busted Leg.

Dadpole

19th September 2020, 13:36

FQ banged in impressive times in a long run in FP2. That sort of pace should see win 3 for him this weekend. The rest of the podium I wouldn't want to pick. This is getting more like Moto3 each race.

pritch

21st September 2020, 09:38

Jack Miller said a tear off was sucked into the air intake of his Ducati blocking it. One oddity in race full of them.

mulletman

21st September 2020, 09:47

Jack Miller said a tear off was sucked into the air intake of his Ducati blocking it. One oddity in race full of them.

And Pecco reckoned he slid off because of one

It was one of Fabios tear offs in Millers bike.

mulletman

21st September 2020, 09:50

Joan Mir pays dearly for poor qualifying....he is a a top podium contender, i like the way he came up to Fabio and Pol and dealt to them.

Autech

21st September 2020, 10:46

Jack Miller said a tear off was sucked into the air intake of his Ducati blocking it. One oddity in race full of them.

How unlucky. He was heading backwards from the get go big time, wonder when it got sucked in?
Watching Peco behind him at the beginning of the race looked like Peco was on a different bike with his extra corner speed. Very impressive stuff. Goes to show how fickle the tyres are in Motogp racing, last year Peco no where, this year he's gelled with it and the others are struggling. Once again though the Pramac boys carrying the Ducati flag, future looks bright. Meanwhile somehow Dovi leads the championship lol.

Joan Mir pays dearly for poor qualifying....he is a a top podium contender, i like the way he came up to Fabio and Pol and dealt to them.

Mir is my pick for Champion now, his form recently is pretty hard to discount. Pure class, the others are very lucky that they can't find a set up to get that bike to qualify.
Absolutely ruthless in his overtaking but still manages to get through the field clean as a whistle, proof you can be fast as fuck and clean. He's risen to the top as fast as any of the aliens, future champion for sure.

Rookies looking good too, great to see Alex Marquez showing some signs of improvement, must be hard with so little data available to see what's possible. Likewise Iker.
Speaking of rookies, Brad Binder going around the OUTSIDE of Fabio Quatararo was hilarious, once again I was reminded of how Marquez punishes the front of a bike without any mercy. Shame he binned her but was very entertaining for a few laps that's for sure. Good step in pace from KTM too, was worried Pol would chuck it down the road with that tyre like that but he rode well.

Seems Fabs has lost some of the ability he has last year to get out of the corners better than the other Yamaha guys, if I remember correctly it was what set him apart from the other Yam boys last year when they were doing battles, he'd get the power he had to the ground in a better way. Mir and Pol showed him up big time in this area so he had nothing to bring to the table for an overtake.

Dadpole

21st September 2020, 11:13

roogazza

21st September 2020, 17:24

And MV got his act together with a good start and first laps. If he can remember how to do that next week then I will be impressed (and surprised).

Halfway point in the season and 4 points seperating the top 4 riders. We should pay M Marzuez to miss the first half of next year too.

Great to see the newer riders all trying hard on all the makes of bikes. I'm keen to see who can take the fight to #93 when he returns, (and if they can.) :shifty:

onearmedbandit

21st September 2020, 19:07

We should pay M Marzuez to miss the first half of next year too.

Heck yes!!

merv

22nd September 2020, 15:27

We should pay M Marzuez to miss the first half of next year too.

Maybe Puig has already done deals that put big money in Honda's pocket for Marc to stay home, sadly they just hadn't signed it up in time to stop him coming back too early, or maybe if I ask Trump he'll tell me it is fake news and he never actually broke his arm in the first place.

actungbaby

22nd September 2020, 18:29

Maybe Puig has already done deals that put big money in Honda's pocket for Marc to stay home, sadly they just hadn't signed it up in time to stop him coming back too early, or maybe if I ask Trump he'll tell me it is fake news and he never actually broke his arm in the first place.Wish they get rid of that man he a tool

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pritch

24th September 2020, 09:29

If it wasn't for bad luck he wouldn't have any luck at all. Cal Crutchlow has slipped and ruptured soft tissue in his ankle.

pritch

25th September 2020, 17:42

There had been speculation. Would Rossi get to take his pit crew with him or would this time be different?

David Emmett says Rossi has told Italian journos that he is taking his crew chief, his data guy, and his rider coach. The others, including Alex Briggs and Brett Stevens, will stay with the Yamaha Team. (Assuming Brigg's contract, which expires at the end of this season, is renewed.)

David Emmett's Twitter feed has an extended interview with Briggs that dates from before any announcement. It's worth a look.

pritch

25th September 2020, 22:56

Well that’s a jolt. Alex Briggs has posted that there is no place for him at Monster Yamaha next year so he is a ‘free agent’.

Which makes me wonder how Brett Stevens is placed?

jato

25th September 2020, 23:34

mulletman

26th September 2020, 09:13

its about half-way through the season now... who do we think will take the championship? I have given up on jack and feel Dovi doesn't have enough mongrel in him. the yamaha's are onto their last engines so surely that's going to affect results soon enough. mir for the title?

6 more races after this weekend and with 2 lots at the same circuits (aragon, tormo) its still up in the air i think, Yamaha are gonna find it hard at Aragon cause of their lack of top speed + reliability.

Will a head at Honda management roll this year for not having a bike at the top of the heap ?

Seems very clear that the rear tyre this year has caused lots of issues with the seasoned riders who are struggling to adapt to it and develop a new riding style to suit.

I do enjoy watching the new young guns showing the way alot of the time.

Autech

26th September 2020, 10:47

Thinking this weekend will be between Binder, Zaro and Franko going off practice and their low grip pace at Brno.
Most interesting will be how good Mir and Rins can qualify on a slippery track with less grip available, with less grip on hand hopefully the rear won't push the front as much. If they're closer then look out everyone else.

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pritch

26th September 2020, 11:16

They are talking low grip but Quateraro is getting his shoulder down?

Jack is going to auction the Quateraro tear off that blocked his air intake to raise funds for the GP charity, Riders for Africa.

Then there's this interview. It's quite long and it may be in two parts. The interview was done before Briggs announced his job was gone, although he has known since Jerez. Niki the interviewer is not hard to look at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjAp-pgSr7w

Autech

26th September 2020, 11:27

roogazza

26th September 2020, 16:02

Copied Practice 2 and had a look a while ago, Dovi struggling, Rossi 7th . Up top end, Yams , Zarco and binder I think ? Rins and Mir doin good too....

I haven't been to Catalunya for 10 yrs but the ex spurts say the Yams can make up any lost ground from the Straightaways because of the nature of the place?
Lookin forward to this one !!! Go Yamaha ! :banana: :rolleyes: oh and its windy !!

george formby

26th September 2020, 17:10

Finally watched all of the races from last weekend, last night.

I am entertained and also loving the double headers this season. My level of anticipation for the second weekend is always through the roof.

Should I seek medical help or is this affecting others, too?

Moto 2 came good!

pritch

26th September 2020, 18:17

Herewith the young feller doing his shoulder thing. David Emmett posted this with credit to @CormacGP. It's not the best format but we're lucky to get that for free. Cormac does this for a living.

pritch

26th September 2020, 22:20

And finally it's official, Rossi will partner Morbidelli at Petronas on a one year deal.

Dadpole

27th September 2020, 11:43

And finally it's official, Rossi will partner Morbidelli at Petronas on a one year deal.

And there are murmurs of a Rossi/Suzuki satellite team. Be still my beating heart...

onearmedbandit

27th September 2020, 16:22

And there are murmurs of a Rossi/Suzuki satellite team. Be still my beating heart...

I know right. I'm not paying attention to any rumours though, I don't to dream a dream like that could be smashed.

pritch

27th September 2020, 16:32

Just sitting beer in hand watching Q1. Simon Crafar asked Lyn Jarvis why Rossi is signed for only one year, the reply was to the effect that the Yamaha contract with Dorna expires at the end of next year and Yamaha can't offer any contracts past that expiry date. Yet.

Rossi will be riding for Petronas on a Yamaha factory contract.

Jarvis had also been asked about Brett and Alex being let go, but he didn't answer that.

The latter seemed at first an odd decision, so much accumulated knowledge and experience. I guess it's about the expense of all their travel. That would tend to indicate that in a COVID world Yamaha are counting pennies. It also suggests that there's minimal chance of their getting picked up by another team.

Alex Briggs gave the world a small but unique window into the MotoGP paddock with his Twitter posts. He used to do a quiz each round, a close up photo of an item on the bike. The parts were seriously difficult to identify, and although he didn't give away any secrets, the dread hand of the Yamaha PR drones put a stop to that.

Twenty eight years Alex has been in the GP paddock working with Gardner, Doohan and Rossi. I assume Brett is similar. That's some CV.

Here's hoping that if they got together with Jerry Burgess over a few beers we could get a seriously interesting book.

jim.cox

27th September 2020, 17:42

Just caught the highlights of Missano on TV

Bleedin eck! Moto3 was more a boxing match than a race

Dadpole

27th September 2020, 19:54

I don't believe the money story. Petronas are well funded. Being based in Malaysia, the extra airfare to Aus and NZ is a drop in the bucket. They just wanted their existing team to stay on.

pritch

27th September 2020, 21:39

I don't believe the money story. Petronas are well funded. Being based in Malaysia, the extra airfare to Aus and NZ is a drop in the bucket. They just wanted their existing team to stay on.

Which doesn't explain why their job at Yamaha evaporated, which is what I was referring to, not Petronas.

Briggs and Steven's contracts apparently stipulated business class travel. That would easily add up to the kind of money that would attract the attention of the bean counters over a normal season.

Meanwhile we'll just have to wait for the book. Unless Briggs decides to mention it.

Autech

28th September 2020, 09:55

Set an alarm and got up for the 2am start time.

Strange race is all I can say, kinda like a wet race but with worn wets thrown in as the track dried.

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roogazza

28th September 2020, 10:54

Set an alarm and got up for the 2am start time.

Strange race is all I can say, kinda like a wet race but with worn wets thrown in as the track dried.

Good to hear you're still keen to get up and watch races (I used to do that lol).

Copied all three races. Have been sufffering power cuts here in the horowhenua for some bloody reason ? Moto2 and 3 ok, but settled in for the main race,saw Dovi and Zarco bail early
(don't mind that for Dovi haha)
But then missed recording due to power cut ! FUCK ! Vale down near the end, but Yams up front, so happy.:clap:

Autech

28th September 2020, 12:06

Good to hear you're still keen to get up and watch races (I used to do that lol).

Copied all three races. Have been sufffering power cuts here in the horowhenua for some bloody reason ? Moto2 and 3 ok, but settled in for the main race,saw Dovi and Zarco bail early
(don't mind that for Dovi haha)
But then missed recording due to power cut ! FUCK ! Vale down near the end, but Yams up front, so happy.:clap:Looks like there's an illegal full race up on YouTube.
Get on it before it's taken down lol

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Dadpole

28th September 2020, 13:50

Looks like there's an illegal full race up on YouTube.
Get on it before it's taken down lol

Some saY there is a BTSport torrent on ettvcentral. I couldn't comment but will say that the race was marred by Neil Hodgson - refering to the 'Fan Wall' at turn 10 - asking when we would see "Some inappropriate behaviour". After that :wait:

mulletman

28th September 2020, 19:58

Finally Brad Binder makes it to the finish and has a win !

onearmedbandit

28th September 2020, 20:15

Finally Brad Binder makes it to the finish and has a win !

Do you mean Darren?

mulletman

29th September 2020, 09:46

Do you mean Darren?

Yes , thank you

ellipsis

29th September 2020, 10:33

Some saY there is a BTSport torrent on ettvcentral.

...had a quick look...kate likes me and wants me to chat, alone...youtube the next day is fine for me...

roogazza

29th September 2020, 16:49

Looks like there's an illegal full race up on YouTube.
Get on it before it's taken down lol

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cheers mate, managed to spot a replay on SKY. :banana:
They seems to repeat everything at the mo which has proved handy ! (Ch55) :clap:

actungbaby

29th September 2020, 19:22

actungbaby

29th September 2020, 19:24

Some saY there is a BTSport torrent on ettvcentral. I couldn't comment but will say that the race was marred by Neil Hodgson - refering to the 'Fan Wall' at turn 10 - asking when we would see "Some inappropriate behaviour". After that :wait:Priceless seeing fan wall thought few going have heart failure when rossi came off.

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ellipsis

29th September 2020, 19:46

Priceless seeing fan wall thought few going have heart failure when rossi came off.

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...I had a sombre start to the day after that...was hoping he would be on the podium as much as he was...tyres in the cold made me wonder how long the front runners could keep their pace...oh well...keep moving the GOAT...

pritch

29th September 2020, 20:49

Do you u think be much interaction.
Between them and the riders apart from work.

Limited I'd guess. The riders hide in their motorhome if they aren't busy. There would be celebratory team dinners and such, although in Rossi's case not so many these days. Briggs was invited to Rossi's ranch to ride on at least one occasion.

pritch

30th September 2020, 11:52

Mat Oxley's take on post COVID MotoGP.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/look-on-my-works-ye-mighty-and-despair-the-bare-lone-motogp-paddock

F5 Dave

30th September 2020, 19:46

I have really enjoyed that site with Mats column. Thanks for making us aware of it.

actungbaby

30th September 2020, 20:48

Limited I'd guess. The riders hide in their motorhome if they aren't busy. There would be celebratory team dinners and such, although in Rossi's case not so many these days. Briggs was invited to Rossi's ranch to ride on at least one occasion.Nice that yeah thanks always wondered .

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iYRe

1st October 2020, 05:23

Def a btsport release floating around.. pretty captivating race that one..

mulletman

1st October 2020, 06:54

Ducati chose....

https://everythingmotoracing.com/2020/09/30/motogp-official-francesco-bagnaia-to-the-factory-ducati-team/

iYRe

1st October 2020, 07:40

Wish they get rid of that man he a tool

Dunno why people think he's a tool.
I've watched quite a few doco's with him in, or about him now, and I think he's probably about as decent a bloke as you're going to get at that level.

Away from anything competitive he seems like a great guy, he just cant help himself giving everything he possibly can to win.. He literally throws his bike onto the ground to find out what the limit is, and always has.. And on top of that he's learned how to watch and learn weakpoints etc, and then do amazing things to win races. They say, if he hadnt crashed on that first race this year, it would have been one of the most amazing rides in history.

Sure, he's probably a bit full of himself.. but then, so is crutchlow and many of the others.. but you dont have a team that sticks with you from day one, if you're a complete ass.

I thought this quote about Yamaha was funny (from here: https://everythingmotoracing.com/2020/09/30/motogp-maverick-vinales-up-and-down-like-a-yo-yo/)

The Yamaha is in trouble, yes they are leading the MotoGP standings, but even Fabio Quartararo who leads the championship has complained about everything on the bike apart from the colour scheme (it’s rather nice).
Yamaha this season are down on power, they struggle to corner, they cannot accelerate and have accidentally invented exploding brakes which is quite impressive, or it would be if it wasn’t endangering peoples lives.

Autech

1st October 2020, 09:10

Dunno why people think he's a tool.
I've watched quite a few doco's with him in, or about him now, and I think he's probably about as decent a bloke as you're going to get at that level.

Away from anything competitive he seems like a great guy, he just cant help himself giving everything he possibly can to win.. He literally throws his bike onto the ground to find out what the limit is, and always has.. And on top of that he's learned how to watch and learn weakpoints etc, and then do amazing things to win races. They say, if he hadnt crashed on that first race this year, it would have been one of the most amazing rides in history.

Sure, he's probably a bit full of himself.. but then, so is crutchlow and many of the others.. but you dont have a team that sticks with you from day one, if you're a complete ass.

I thought this quote about Yamaha was funny (from here: https://everythingmotoracing.com/2020/09/30/motogp-maverick-vinales-up-and-down-like-a-yo-yo/)I think you'll find Achtung was saying to get rid of Puig, not Marquez. Who is a tool and definitely no asset to Honda imo.
All riders think they're the best, if they didn't they wouldn't be there competing :)

Can't wait to see him back and battling against all the talent that has bloomed this year, times are a changing and he now has some very real threats on the other factory bikes, as well as hopefully on the other Repsol seat next year.

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iYRe

1st October 2020, 09:16

actungbaby

3rd October 2020, 09:50

Ahh, well and good then.. I was reading it on my phone whilst simultaneously being told that if I didnt do my job properly I would be fired, by the person who didnt do the job properly, for which I was being accused of not doing properly... so.. I guess I should have re-read it lolYep I got treat firing while riding in pain covering another person's work.
For falling off my work motorcycle .on driveway .on wet clay.
Burning my leg and left ankle .brusing it .I surpose doing this few days after doing acc riding course .did look bad [emoji9]opps

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iYRe

3rd October 2020, 11:47

Yep I got treat firing while riding in pain covering another person's work.
For falling off my work motorcycle .on driveway .on wet clay.
Burning my leg and left ankle .brusing it .I surpose doing this few days after doing acc riding course .did look bad [emoji9]opps

Oh Yeah... that's gotta suck..

Mind you.. "work motorcycle" is always a bonus

pritch

4th October 2020, 22:01

The Quateraro tear off that blocked the air intake on Jack Miller’s bike is still available - if you’re quick. The current bid is £3,500. That’s roughly 7000 of our Pacific pesos.

Dadpole

5th October 2020, 06:43

I am suffering from race-withdrawal syndrome. Last weekend I thought three races in as many weeks may be too much of a good thing and I was becoming jaded. :yawn:
I now realise that I was deluded and want the new normal back....

mulletman

6th October 2020, 17:25

Engine use so far

https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/945729/1/motogp-2020-engine-list-so-far-used-withdrawn

iYRe

7th October 2020, 06:59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njpC-3aB5pg

Some interesting comments here... especially on what its like to try and lead a race..

pritch

9th October 2020, 11:49

Rossi is reportedly very impressed by Portimau as a rider's track.

Mat Oxley asked Crutchlow about his employment prospects. Was advised KFC is looking good.

jato

9th October 2020, 13:33

Le mans... dodgy weather on the horizon but could be ok(ish) for sunday . Zarco's chance? or jack... i'm still picking mir for the title though...

Autech

9th October 2020, 16:01

The thought of Le Mans this weekend is doing me a serious excite. Fucked if I'll make a prediction other than the KTM's will struggle in the cold, so watch MO or BB win it to prove me wrong :D

Bring it on!

pritch

10th October 2020, 08:37

Impressive high side by Marini. He has a boken ankle.

sugilite

12th October 2020, 20:19

BMWST?

12th October 2020, 20:23

iYRe

13th October 2020, 06:28

Alex Marquez stocks just went up big time. Once he gets better grips with the bike in the dry, he really could be a force.

I liked how he said that a wet podium is nice, but it doesnt mean much..
Interesting difference between him and his brother, Mark went out and threw the bike around the track (and off the track) until he worked out exactly what the bikes and his limits are (actually not sure he knows what his limits are). Alex seems much more measured. It will be interesting to see what happens in a race if they are both challenging for the lead... I dont think either of them will want to come second.

Autech

13th October 2020, 10:01

OK, Just saw the race this morning - another barnstormer with unexpected results!
Petruci deserved that, nice to see him show up at last.
Alex Marquez stocks just went up big time. Once he gets better grips with the bike in the dry, he really could be a force.
Jack Millar, terrible luck again!
Rossi - WTF!
I seriously feel Vinales should be moved to a satellite team, one who would be stoked to get one or at most two wins a year, but a factory ride? In my opinion he will never be able to get out of his head enough to be in with a shot to win a championship. I'm struggling to think of another rider in the last 30 years that has been that inconsistent.

I thought it was going to be Rins day to be honest, nek minut!

I did many shouts at the TV over Jacks bike blowing up, that winners trophy had Miller stamped all over it. Ohhh well he's got factory colours next year so we'll definitely be seeing some wins.

Maverick is such an odd ball, I can see him getting the benefit from a sports shrink as many of them have had to do over the years, apparently he's already seeing one but he's not improving in any way. I don't blame his results this round though, that Yamaha doesn't warm up wets very well, seeing Rossi's off throttle crash with all his experience showed that just finishing on a Yamaha on such a wet cold track was good enough.

Rins is turning out to be a little inconsistent as well. Sensational season

He's still not 100% fit and wont be till after the season is out. I do feel he is fractionally less talented than his team mate though. Only by a tad, both of them are brilliant riders. Considering he had that pace on Med/Med wets I'd say he was going bloody well, but as is always the case in a wet race it came down to he who was not the fastest, but he who was fastest without mistakes. Both Suzukis had been binning it on that corner even in the dry all weekend so it wasn't a surprise to see it let go like that, bloody good riding considering where all the other inline 4s ended up.

pritch

13th October 2020, 17:55

Both Suzukis had been binning it on that corner even in the dry all weekend so it wasn't a surprise to see it let go like that, bloody good riding considering where all the other inline 4s ended up.

There are more rights than lefts at LeMans and I think it was Mat Oxley was saying at one race when the weather was cold there was a lineup of crashed bikes at the first left after a series of rights. All of the riders had shrouds on their brakes to keep the heat in this weekend, so the temps may have been low enough to cause a problem. If not quite as pronounced as the race Oxley recalled.

pritch

16th October 2020, 05:15

Rossi has tested positive for COVID-19.

roogazza

16th October 2020, 05:40

Rossi has tested positive for COVID-19.

I still wonder if we need a No.1 plate for 2020 ? Just have the races and start again next year. :rolleyes:

iYRe

16th October 2020, 06:41

I still wonder if we need a No.1 plate for 2020 ? Just have the races and start again next year. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I cant see how there can really be a "champion" from this year.. maybe they'll record it but with an *

mulletman

16th October 2020, 07:06

Rossi has tested positive for COVID-19.

Wonder how many in his team will get crook ?

And the academy ?

roogazza

16th October 2020, 07:44

Wonder how many in his team will get crook ?

And the academy ?

yeah , he has contact with lots of people.
(I'd offer to help look after his girlfriend/wife to be !!!!!) :sweatdrop

steveyb

16th October 2020, 10:10

Yeah, I cant see how there can really be a "champion" from this year.. maybe they'll record it but with an *

Come on, this sort of thinking is a bit lame isn't it?

There are races with all of the fit riders present. Riders who are injured are out, just like in any other season.
They are racing across different circuits and countries, more than back in the earlier eras, when no one wanted to put any *'s on any season.
The riders are putting as much or more into it, because this season there is the chance for more than one rider to win it and they all want it, immensely.

I just fail to see why anyone has to try and diminish it at all. Watch and enjoy for the spectacle of sporting skill and mechanical genius that is on show and stop doing the typical Kiwi bullshit of diminishing everything.
So it is a condensed season. So what?
Marquez would be out of contention regardless, as he crashed and got injured. Like any other rider can and has done.

Next it will be "Oh he is not really world champion" or some such crap. Makes me want to pull out what little hair I have left.

steveyb

16th October 2020, 10:20

Although he said in his interview that it is all happy and amicable, the debacle in front of the world on the grid and in the garage at Le Mans will have played a major part in the decision.
There is no way that it can not have.
For that team to have screwed that up so royally is unbelievable.
How can they have not managed that? A shock and wheel change?
Every other team managed it.
Sure, they are all learning and are a low resources team, but come on.
Hopefully they will do better in 2021.
Would be great to see Cam Beaubier come and give it a nudge (increasing the # of Red Bull Rookies on the grid). And another American alongside him. Rocco Landers perhaps? That would be good, if he is up to it.
Probably a bit early for him. Maybe Paasch or Kelly?
But I guess Ramierz brings $ to the team.

iYRe

16th October 2020, 10:25

It's more that it is a shortened condensed season, without the usual amount of testing etc, in unusual circumstances, and so on.

The * would be to say this championship was run under xyz conditions, which were not normal, and unique. I mean, we dont really know what secrets and conspiracies will come out of this years steaming pile of wombat doo

onearmedbandit

16th October 2020, 11:07

Was there racing? Is there going to be someone with the most points at the end of the season? Then it's a championship with an eventual champion. Simple.

iYRe

16th October 2020, 11:09

Was there racing? Is there going to be someone with the most points at the end of the season? Then it's a championship with an eventual champion. Simple.

Yes, but I still think it is a season with an asterisk.

Autech

16th October 2020, 13:36

Bull shit.
What we are seeing is the craziest motogp season ever, whoever wins it will be remembered as one of the greats for overcoming such a difficult season.

My opinion is that the absence of Marquez is only 30% of the strangeness this season, the rest is down to a new tyre, racing at circuits outside their usual temperature zone and the most competitive field of riders and bikes we have ever seen.

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steveyb

16th October 2020, 14:56

pritch

17th October 2020, 16:22

BMWST?

18th October 2020, 19:59

At season's end there will be a winner and that name goes in the book. Sure the season has been different, but in other ways there have been greater challenges than normal. The winner will get the gold medal whoever it is.
and all is equal for the other teams.A win is a win,he who ends with the most points wins,there is no asterisk.

iYRe

19th October 2020, 13:18

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pritch

19th October 2020, 13:58

Honda might be wondering if they haven't stuffed up?

iYRe

19th October 2020, 14:11

Honda might be wondering if they haven't stuffed up?

Sarcasm?

If Honda have bikes anywhere near competitive next year, there is going to be some epic races

pritch

19th October 2020, 15:30

Sarcasm?

Sarcasm? Me? :whistle: Not at all.

Repsol dropped Marquez A and signed Espagero P for 2021. It's starting to look as if they may have dropped a clanger.

iYRe

19th October 2020, 16:42

Sarcasm? Me? :whistle: Not at all.

Repsol dropped Marquez A and signed Espagero P for 2021. It's starting to look as if they may have dropped a clanger.

Oh wow, I must have missed that.. yeah, that was dumb, considering Mark says "he's faster than me"

roogazza

19th October 2020, 16:59

Honda might be wondering if they haven't stuffed up?

Crutchless is moving too isn't he ? do I have that right ?

I thought I read #73 was going to LCR with a similar deal of Factory bikes?

(went to a great party LCR had years ago when Playboy was sponsor.):eek: :bleh: :laugh:

pritch

19th October 2020, 17:53

Crutchless is moving too isn't he ? do I have that right ?

He was talking to Aprilia, but since that he's told Mat Oxley that KFC is looking good.

I thought I read #73 was going to LCR with a similar deal of Factory bikes?

Yeah, but an LCR factory Honda is not quite like a Repsol factory Honda. A lot less HRC techs in the LCR garage apparently.

pritch

19th October 2020, 19:30

Rossi's mechanics have a light work load of course. They are going to the track rather than sit in a hotel room. After 28 years in the GP paddock Alex Briggs has been posting on Twitter about some first time experiences. Like being a spectator, taking race photographs, getting a tour of the TV control unit (was not allowed to take photos). Also being interviewed, but he's done that before.

He wears his rather odd looking helmet because it complies with scooter regulations, and lets him listen to the chatter in MVs pit box.

merv

20th October 2020, 10:50

Sarcasm? Me? :whistle: Not at all.

Repsol dropped Marquez A and signed Espagero P for 2021. It's starting to look as if they may have dropped a clanger.

Would Puig's strategy be to keep Pol away from KTM just to create disruption in the team, a bit like picking up Lorenzo from Ducati?

steveyb

20th October 2020, 11:26

The Spaniards especially, believe that the Repsol team is the absolute pinnacle of teams in the game. That being actually the case is debatable of course.
So, any Spaniard who has the opportunity to sign for them, does so. Hence AsparagusP going there.
It seems odd to me that you would not allow yourself to truely evaluate your current rider first though, but there you go, that is their business.
While not a #73 fan myself, his burn rate is much slower than that of #93, his record is nonetheless pretty good.
And having an established rider and a rookie together would seem to be a good idea.
But in the face of it, Pol should go well on the RCV bike.
MaqA will receive a bit/lot more support at LCR than Cal does/did, simply due to that stronger Repsol/Spain connection and his new found performances.
Remembering, he and Takka are the only riders to finish every race so far (I think that is right??).

pritch

20th October 2020, 12:13

It seems odd to me that you would not allow yourself to truely evaluate your current rider first though

Not just you. They signed AM before he had ridden a MotoGP bike, then before he'd had a reasonable chance to adjust, they dropped him. Or at least promoted him sideways. Realistically all that was required of him was that he be a wing man for his brother, his last couple of performances make it appear he could have managed that.

roogazza

20th October 2020, 13:34

Not just you. They signed AM before he had ridden a MotoGP bike, then before he'd had a reasonable chance to adjust, they dropped him. Or at least promoted him sideways. Realistically all that was required of him was that he be a wing man for his brother, his last couple of performances make it appear he could have managed that.

Nice to see AM doing great ,must be really hard having a big brother who is a god !!!!! :laugh:

steveyb

20th October 2020, 15:03

Anyone offering opinions on whether Masia should have been docked a place for venturing onto 'the green'?
IMO he should have been.
In order to avoid the green he could have slowed down.
I think it was inconsistent and unfair of Race Control, because they will ping someone else for exactly the same thing sooner or later.
That would have worked out well for my sweepstake with Cormac Racing! And extra 5 points for BinD would have been nice for me.
Here's me after saying the other day that BinD is 5th - 10th place rider only, now I am picking him to win.
Yes, fickle. That's me.

mulletman

20th October 2020, 16:16

iYRe

20th October 2020, 17:53

Maybe they were concerned about what would happen if they were fighting for 1st and 2nd or something (MM and AM)

Autech

21st October 2020, 10:57

AM only got the Repsol seat due to the strange circumstances of Jorge calling it quits.
They replaced him with Pol as Pol had been doing great things on the KTM and they needed a good rider to partner Marc.

Now that Alex is showing potential he's possibly deserving of the Repsol seat but realistically his true seat was always going to be in LCR. If Pol doesn't perform next year he'll be goneskis though I'd say.

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ellipsis

21st October 2020, 17:14

Yes, but I still think it is a season with an asterisk.

...so was 1973...but it's in the book as to who won...sad but true...

Reckless

22nd October 2020, 22:13

Nakagami signs multi-year deal with HRC
The 28-year-old will remain with the LCR Honda Idemitsu squad for 2021 and beyond
Tags MotoGP, 2020, GRAN PREMIO LIQUI MOLY DE TERUEL, Takaaki Nakagami, LCR Honda
Honda Racing Corporation (HRC) has announced that it has reached an agreement with 28-year-old Japanese rider Takaaki Nakagami to extend their contract for multiple years starting in 2021. He will join Alex Marquez in the LCR Honda garage, with eight-time World Champion Marc Marquez being joined by Pol Espargaro in the Repsol Honda box.

mulletman

23rd October 2020, 07:37

Wont be any partying for the teams on Sunday night...

https://www.gpone.com/en/2020/10/22/motogp/aragon-in-lockdown-starting-monday-irta-warns-teams.html

steveyb

23rd October 2020, 10:10

Possibility that the final rounds will be canned, I suppose.

roogazza

24th October 2020, 10:11

Autech

24th October 2020, 11:09

Maybe Michelin should take a good hard look at themselves after 2020.

I watched a bit of Prac 2 last night, forgot it was on this weekend.
Only Prac 2 but all the Ducs well down . :clap: Go Yams !!!

will they call a holt to this year, I wonder. :rolleyes:They're building tyres to work in a certain temp range. Its almost impossible to make a tyre soft enough to give the grip that isn't torn apart by the HP the modern bikes are putting out without that operating window I'd say.

Makes for an interesting championship though

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iYRe

24th October 2020, 12:30

Maybe Michelin should take a good hard look at themselves after 2020.

I guess no one really likes that big a variable, the supercars guys didnt either.. but I reckon they'd be in the same boat with another manufacturer, having to learn how to manage the rubber etc..

I like it myself, it adds a bit more intrigue to the race..

pritch

24th October 2020, 16:05

I guess no one really likes that big a variable, the supercars guys didnt either.. but I reckon they'd be in the same boat with another manufacturer, having to learn how to manage the rubber etc..

I like it myself, it adds a bit more intrigue to the race..

The manufacturers can get caught out when the spec tyre changes. Yamaha took a long time to adapt to the Michelins IIRC. I guess as Michelin refines their specs each year the new hoops suit some teams better than others. Presumably the bikes are designed without knowing how they will react to the new tyres.

One comment I saw on Twitter suggested that Ducati make four bikes for testing, and they are the bikes that will be raced that season. Honda (and Yamaha?) have test bikes, they then build new bikes for the season incorporating whatever showed up in testing. Maybe I'll ask Alex Briggs at the end of the season? He's worked for them all.

F5 Dave

24th October 2020, 19:44

Bah.

If they were real men the rules would be 1000cc anything goes. Real engineering Brucey . Not just diesels.

SaferRides

25th October 2020, 06:19

I've been catching up on the first race at Aragon after watching Bathurst last weekend.

Just wanted to check I hadn't watched the race in a parallel universe where Rins didn't crash while leading and A Marquez finished 2nd after out cornering every bike on the track.

But then I saw who's on pole this weekend so it must be true.

What a crazy season.

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george formby

25th October 2020, 07:29

SaferRides

25th October 2020, 08:37

Has there been a season when every team has won a race? Might be a big ask for Aprilia without PI on the calendar.

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Autech

25th October 2020, 08:45

Has there been a season when every team has won a race? Might be a big ask for Aprilia without PI on the calendar.

Sent from my SM-G980F using TapatalkAleix put a CRT on the podium in the wet once...
Don't rule anything out!

Taka has been improving steadily every season he's been on that bike, great to see him crack the code finally.
I'll be cheering him on for the win this evening :)

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mulletman

25th October 2020, 10:20

Taka has been improving steadily every season he's been on that bike, great to see him crack the code finally.
I'll be cheering him on for the win this evening :)

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Taka even represents himself at the negotiating table as he is his own manager , did good in getting a factory bike and a longer contract.

jato

25th October 2020, 13:02

strayed into the TAB today - if zarco wins i wont need to work for a couple of weeks, if marquez wins i can afford to take tuesday morning off ...

Reckless

25th October 2020, 16:39

Tell you what they are learning fast as :)
If MM isnt 100% and Pol doesn't get his head around the Honda quick those boys might make em look bad LOL

BMWST?

25th October 2020, 17:28

i reckon we wont see MM ride in anger this season

iYRe

25th October 2020, 17:42

i reckon we wont see MM ride in anger this season

If I was him, I wouldnt.. cept maybe for the last race..

mulletman

26th October 2020, 08:32

Takaaki off line a bit and its all over for him damn !

Well done Franco , showed great concentration and deserved 1st , last minute tyre change worked out a treat.

Alex Rins 2nd , has he finally managed to keep a clear head and not crash while in podium positions ? it seems so (i hope)

Joan Mir a solid 3rd pretty darn good from 12th starting , happy times for Suzuki

A faster race this weekend by 7 seconds , benefit of double headers.

onearmedbandit

26th October 2020, 10:36

I was gutted to see Taka go out, and then AM as well. But amazing pace and consistency from Franky, a well deserved win. And seeing the two Suzuki's on the grid for a second week in a row was fantastic.

pritch

26th October 2020, 11:27

Binder copped a long lap penalty for Valencia.

pritch

26th October 2020, 12:01

Before the race Mat Oxley posted this on Twitter:

"I asked Morbidelli & Rins if they'll help their team-mates cos they're pretty much out of the championship & Quartararo & Mir need every point they can get. Franco threw it back at me: "Why do you say I'm out of the championship?" I love the eternal optimism of bike racers."

I guess Morbidelli and Rins answered the question. Emphatically. Perhaps Mat might offer them both a bottle of something nice by way of mending bridges?

mulletman

26th October 2020, 12:43

Autech

26th October 2020, 16:13

pritch

26th October 2020, 17:00

Gutted for Taka but not unexpected, must be bloody difficult to lead a motogp race for the first time with all the hype behind him, going in as favourite to win etc.
Great to see Honda showing some form finally though, even if its at one of their stronger tracks.

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Was reading - can't remember where - that the Honda has been made more rideable. When MM was riding and winning they didn't need to worry. Since he's not riding though they've had to make it so mortals can use it.

roogazza

26th October 2020, 17:04

I enjoy seeing the new young guys scrapping,they certainly put Crutchlow and Dovi in their place.

The LCR Honda man from Japan is showing he has some mongrel too,nice.

I look forward to see how #93 handles them next year.

onearmedbandit

26th October 2020, 17:06

Was reading - can't remember where - that the Honda has been made more rideable. When MM was riding and winning they didn't need to worry. Since he's not riding though they've had to make it so mortals can use it.

Puig argues otherwise saying they've made no changes to the bike, rather that Alex has started to understand it more. Considering there's been no major changes to the bike noted by those that would notice that holds some water.

Autech

26th October 2020, 19:21

Puig argues otherwise saying they've made no changes to the bike, rather that Alex has started to understand it more. Considering there's been no major changes to the bike noted by those that would notice that holds some water.Yeah he also said Pedrosa didn't understand the Honda though so not sure how much merit we will give him. Dude is a class A fuck head still bitter he got fired.
I'd agree its mostly rider though as the bike clearly is competitive, they just needed the time away from MM to thrive.

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pritch

26th October 2020, 20:54

Puig argues otherwise saying they've made no changes to the bike, rather that Alex has started to understand it more. Considering there's been no major changes to the bike noted by those that would notice that holds some water.

That doesn't account for Takagami's improved form though. Puig is in a better position to know than us, but I wouldn't trust him with my lunch.

Dadpole

27th October 2020, 10:47

Puig argues otherwise saying they've made no changes to the bike, rather that Alex has started to understand it more. Considering there's been no major changes to the bike noted by those that would notice that holds some water.

A tad different to reports of a new type shock (Ohlins BDB50) for the last rounds. https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/hondas-motogp-comeback

Autech

27th October 2020, 11:49

A tad different to reports of a new type shock (Ohlins BDB50) for the last rounds. https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/hondas-motogp-comebackWas about to post this. Inb4
I must say going off the convos in this forum its impressive how many times we are asking the same questions as Oxley often with the same theories.
Not bad KB crew, not bad.

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onearmedbandit

27th October 2020, 11:56

A tad different to reports of a new type shock (Ohlins BDB50) for the last rounds. https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/hondas-motogp-comeback

Yes Suzuki picked up that shock earlier in the season and stuck with it, after seeing the results that Suzuki had other manufacturers have been trying it. Not a huge change to the core of the bike though, and some riders claiming they can't feel a difference in it.

Dadpole

27th October 2020, 14:49

I would be surprised to see Honda admit anything other than minor changes to the bike. Their mantra seems to be 'Our bike is perfect and always was. It just needs a rider to adapt'.
I was doubly gutted to see both Taka and baby Marquez biting the gravel though. I - and no doubt many others - would have loved to see them on the podium.

Meantime - Mir for the riders crown and Suzuki for the teams title....:banana:

SaferRides

27th October 2020, 19:23

Puig argues otherwise saying they've made no changes to the bike, rather that Alex has started to understand it more. Considering there's been no major changes to the bike noted by those that would notice that holds some water.
I read somewhere, might have been Motomatters, that Honda has improved the front end feel.

Taka has some of the goodies from the 2020 bike on his 2019, like the full carbon Ohlins forks.

Watching the younger Marquez in Turn 16 in last week's race was like watching Marc without the drama. Let's hope he can keep it up at Valencia.

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pritch

27th October 2020, 20:12

I would be surprised to see Honda admit anything other than minor changes to the bike.

I'm not sure if Joan Mir or the HRC Technical Director would agree? Quotes from Motorsport Magazine, Mat Oxley's column. Added emphasis mine.

“I’m really surprised about the Hondas, they’re really fast,” said championship leader Joan Mir. “So I think they’ve found something, because all their riders are super-fast”

“Once the season started we realised that the change from the previous tyre was more massive than we predicted – we could see that on our data,” Yokoyama added. “So we changed many, many things: electronics, exhaust, intake, chassis set-up, chassis geometry and frame stiffness. If you feel like you don’t understand what you have to understand then the only thing is to keep trying many different things. Probably we have tried 100 new things. Maybe 90 of them were wrong, a failure, but from those failures we learned something and finally we have found a way.”

onearmedbandit

27th October 2020, 22:36

There you go. There hasn't been much emphasis on any changes during the racing, I've watched every race, FP sessions and qualifying this year and there is always talk of setup changes, different swingarms, the new carbon reinforcing Stefan was trialing etc but it didn't come across like there were big changes. As pointed out Puig isn't really one to believe, he plays down any deficiencies in the bike. Normally Simon is pretty eagle-eyed, even spotting stuff the teams try to hid from him ha.

F5 Dave

28th October 2020, 12:31

Coming here later to avoid spoilers (watch Tuesday nights) I thought i heard the commentators say Franco was using the new shock.

AM really is making that V4 corner seemingly better, or at least tighter than anything around him. Big turn around - as he sucked at the start of the year. In context, would still have cleaned up any national championship or likely Superbikes.

Just goes to show the level of the field when Dovi looks past it because his pasta was just beyond AlDente the night before. And he's thinking - what the hell is happening? Any other year with MM out. . .

Maybe he needs to bail out to WSB and win a couple of championships so he can look back without spitting on the ground (or his secret MM poster)

iYRe

28th October 2020, 15:01

Was reading - can't remember where - that the Honda has been made more rideable. When MM was riding and winning they didn't need to worry. Since he's not riding though they've had to make it so mortals can use it.

AM said something along the lines of it not being so much "worked out" rather than you cant relax for a second. You have to be 100% on your game, go to 99% and you'll lose a second... Something like, you cant rely on acceleration, or turning, or braking, you have to be able to do all of them, 100%, all of the time - prob made more sense when he said it... anyway, just shows how well MM rides.

onearmedbandit

28th October 2020, 17:42

AM said something along the lines of it not being so much "worked out" rather than you cant relax for a second. You have to be 100% on your game, go to 99% and you'll lose a second... Something like, you cant rely on acceleration, or turning, or braking, you have to be able to do all of them, 100%, all of the time - prob made more sense when he said it... anyway, just shows how well MM rides.

Yes this was also mentioned during one of the recent FP sessions.

iYRe

28th October 2020, 18:16

Yes this was also mentioned during one of the recent FP sessions.

Yeah, there's a video on motogp.com

onearmedbandit

28th October 2020, 19:02

Yeah, there's a video on motogp.com

Ah for some reason I thought you'd said you had read it somewhere, my bad.

Dadpole

29th October 2020, 06:26

We can debate the changes Honda has made for a few days then jump to if a non race winner deserves the title this year. That will take us at least some way to the next race weekend.:woohoo: Three more (Covid willing) back to back races in what has been an amazing year.... After this year, would anyone want to rule out a Rossi 10th title in 2001?

I meant 2021. You knew that. Stop pointing and laughing. Meanies... :cry:

iYRe

29th October 2020, 07:31

After this year, would anyone want to rule out a Rossi 10th title in 2001?

I probably would :D

SaferRides

29th October 2020, 07:35

After this year, would anyone want to rule out a Rossi 10th title in 2001?

He WAS the champion in 2001. [emoji2]

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pritch

29th October 2020, 08:11

We can debate the changes Honda has made for a few days then jump to if a non race winner deserves the title this year.

That thought already occured to me, and I was reminded of Hayden's win which some thought unmerited. They do count the points at the end of the season though and that's what counts. However odd it looks.

iYRe

29th October 2020, 08:46

He WAS the champion in 2001. [emoji2]

My point exactly :P

Autech

29th October 2020, 20:51

That thought already occured to me, and I was reminded of Hayden's win which some thought unmerited. They do count the points at the end of the season though and that's what counts. However odd it looks.Me too. Then I remembered how he pretty much had it in the bag at Red Bull ring till the huge crash and realised that too much is read into the what and not the why.
Mir is the one who will take MMs gauntlet and slap him in the face with it imo. Watch this space

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iYRe

30th October 2020, 06:18

Alex M interview out yesterday said that his crash was not due to tires, in fact, he said he had plenty of grip and was being held up. He said he made a rookie mistake and started thinking about the podium.

Metastable

2nd November 2020, 16:24

That thought already occured to me, and I was reminded of Hayden's win which some thought unmerited. They do count the points at the end of the season though and that's what counts. However odd it looks.

Some have not thought Hayden’s 2006 win through...
- experimental hybrid bike with serious clutch problems that cost him all sorts of points
- fastest qualifier award that year
- 10 podiums despite all the clutch issues
- He raced that last race with a broken scapula and muscles all torn to crap..... and yes Baylis won that race, but I do believe Hayden could have fought for the win if he had to.
- Yes some guys missed races because of crashes, but they didn’t get taken out by their teammate ... Hayden did and still won

Easy to keyboard cowboy, but anyone that manages 10 podiums in a world class racing series should be a legitimate title contender.

steveyb

3rd November 2020, 12:59

Some have not thought Hayden’s 2006 win through...
- experimental hybrid bike with serious clutch problems that cost him all sorts of points
- fastest qualifier award that year
- 10 podiums despite all the clutch issues
- He raced that last race with a broken scapula and muscles all torn to crap..... and yes Baylis won that race, but I do believe Hayden could have fought for the win if he had to.
- Yes some guys missed races because of crashes, but they didn’t get taken out by their teammate ... Hayden did and still won

Easy to keyboard cowboy, but anyone that manages 10 podiums in a world class racing series should be a legitimate title contender.

Right on!

If the championship were given to the rider with the most wins, there would be no points.
Only wins.
Why have points otherwise?
RIP World champion NH69.

PS: I was not really an NH fan, but credit due where credit lies.

SaferRides

5th November 2020, 08:48

Looks like Valencia is still on, but no Rossi as his last test was positive.

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iYRe

5th November 2020, 09:00

And No MM either this time... Bradl again.

SaferRides

5th November 2020, 09:21

And No MM either this time... Bradl again.Rumour is he needs another op, but Honda are denying it.

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iYRe

5th November 2020, 09:39

I think i've said before, if I was him I'd just get 100% and wait for next year

Dadpole

6th November 2020, 08:58

Yamaha have had constructor and team points removed for rule infringements. https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/11/05/yamaha-handed-penalties-no-effect-on-rider-points/354054

This puts Suzuki in with a chance to collect the rider, constructor and team titles this year...:banana:

CONSTRUCTOR CHAMPIONSHIP:
Ducati - 171
Suzuki - 163
Yamaha - 158
KTM - 143
Honda - 117
Aprilia - 36

TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP:
Team Suzuki Ecstar - 242
Petronas Yamaha SRT - 198
Ducati Team - 180
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing - 157
Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP - 156
Pramac Racing - 128

onearmedbandit

6th November 2020, 09:04

And on top of that Rossi has tested positive for Covid-19 again.

onearmedbandit

6th November 2020, 09:19

Newest report in is now saying he’s tested negative but not confirmed to be racing yet.

Reckless

6th November 2020, 09:24

He needs a second negitive test to race

Rossi tests negative for Covid-19 ahead of European GP
The Doctor requires a second negative test before being allowed to compete in the European Grand Prix but is currently en route to Valencia
Tags MotoGP, 2020, GRAN PREMIO DE EUROPA, Valentino Rossi
Today (Thursday 5th November), Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP's Valentino Rossi has taken a PCR test and the result came back negative for the Covid-19 virus. As per Italian law, the Yamaha rider is now allowed to end his self-isolation and take part in everyday society again. Rossi will take this opportunity to fly to Valencia, Spain, this evening.
Tomorrow (Friday 6th November), he will do a second PCR test and if the result is negative again, he will be able to reunite with the Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP team and take part in this weekend‘s Gran Premio de Europa. Should Rossi test positive tomorrow, then standby replacement rider Garrett Gerloff will take his place.

Gerloff: "It would be amazing if it happens" 05/11/2020
The American WorldSBK star is chomping at the bit to find out if he will jump on Valentino Rossi's bike for the European Grand Prix

jato

6th November 2020, 19:33

Reckless

6th November 2020, 20:57

google cant find if Rossi got another negative test or not and practice is on now??
Any news

And aside from that this is interesting Id forgotten about Lorenzo- they seem to be bypassing him big time :ar15:

MotoGP: Are Yamaha and Jorge Lorenzo heading for a divorce?
November 5, 2020 Declan Constable 0 Comments Jorge Lorenzo, MotoGP, MotoGP News, Yamaha
Yamaha has once again snubbed Jorge Lorenzo as an option as a replacement for Valentino Rossi.
Yamaha has once again pushed test rider, Jorge Lorenzo, to the side, opting for Garrett Gerloff (which is a fantastic choice may we add) to ride for them as a replacement for Valentino Rossi who tested positive for COVID-19 before the Aragon doubleheader.

When it was announced that Valentino Rossi had tested positive for COVID-19, all eyes turned to Jorge Lorenzo who won three premier class MotoGP titles for Yamaha in 2010, 2012 and 2015 and remains their only champion since Valentino Rossi in 2009, he is also the only rider aside from Valentino Rossi to win a championship on the Yamaha YZR-M1. However, for the two Aragon rounds, Yamaha decided not to replace Rossi, instead leaving his side of the garage unattended to.

Since signing for Yamaha, Jorge Lorenzo has ridden the M1 just four times over two tests, with the second day of the Portimao test ending early due to Yamaha engineers being required at Le Mans due to multiple team staff testing positive for COVID-19.

Lorenzo has confirmed that he and Yamaha had a 15-16 day test plan with a Catalunya wildcard in place, but COVID-19 disrupted this entire programme, however since MotoGP has returned and other teams have resumed their test programmes, Yamaha have not and Lorenzo has not had much track time at all. This has even caused confusion with Fabio Quartararo and Valentino Rossi who are unsure as to why Yamaha were not using him.

If Rossi tests positive for COVID-19 again, he will be replaced, but not by Lorenzo, but by Garrett Gerloff, GRT Yamaha WSBK rider who has scored podiums as a rookie in the class and is incredibly fast, as much as this is a highly popular decision with is, the decision to not employ Jorge Lorenzo who is on their payroll is a confusing one.

This follows rumours of Lorenzo heading over to the Aprilia set up as their test rider with Lorenzo himself confirming he would like to do so.

Yamaha have hired Jonas Folger, sacked him, replaced him with Lorenzo who also is looking like he will be sacked and replaced with Andrea Dovizioso, so we are looking forward to writing about Dovi being sacked again this time next year for another test rider.

F5 Dave

7th November 2020, 08:19

official line from yamaha is "an internal oversight" but it looks like a fair bit of sneakyness has been involved... https://motomatters.com/news/2020/11/05/the_irony_behind_yamaha_s_punishment_for.html#comm ents
Some people have been getting pretty hot under the collar. I am just trying to re-remind myself why stifling engine development at the highest level is a good idea? :weird:

sugilite

7th November 2020, 09:01

To be honest, for me it is a bit of a shame..... https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/947737/1/valentino-rossi-gets-allclear-valencia-motogp-return
Garrett Gerloff was only 1.6 seconds behind the leader of FP2. That is impressive for the young American.

I'm sick of seeing the likes of Aprillia putting "did a few good races 10 years ago Bradders" and Honda putting "aint done shit for years Bradl" on their bikes. (I know Bradders FINALLY got replaced for this race)

Not to mention the paddock could do with a few other nationalities on the grid in the sea of Spaniards and Italians.

pritch

7th November 2020, 11:02

To be honest, for me it is a bit of a shame.....

Alex Briggs posted a few kind words about the lad.

"Really enjoyed working and chatting with @garrettgerloff the last few days. Rode great today.
Had lots of info to take in and he soaked it all up like a sponge.
I will be surprised if he is not in this paddock sooner rather than later. "

Then, on that other matter, here is the Yamaha officlal announcement...

mulletman

9th November 2020, 07:16

Well done Suzuki !

A deserved 1st for Mir and a great wingman Rins taking 2nd , Pol did an awesome job for 3rd as well.

Autech

9th November 2020, 07:48

Well that settles that question then. Nice once Mir

I have a rather strong suspicion that we are entering a new era with Mir, just as the past 7 years have been MMs I think Mir is showing something new and different for us to sink our teeth into. Much excite

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Autech

9th November 2020, 10:33

Thought I'd do a quick forum search on Joan Mir to see when he came to our attention first as I remembered talking him up back when, came across this crystal ball post from myself as well as a cool article of some of the greats talking him up. Watching Crafar gush over the guy is pretty funny but he clearly thinks he's the embodiment of young talent. The 2nd coming etc. Maybe the anti Marquez???

https://www.motorsport.com/moto3/news/motogp-stars-hail-moto3-champion-mir-969856/3053951/

In all the excitement we all forgot to talk about Moto3 and how fucking good that Joan Mir is. He's possibly the best we've seen in Moto3 since Jack Miller and Vinales I would think just going of his statistics, he'll make it to Motogp.
Olivera is another good rider from Moto3 coming in hot, he made Danny Kent's title very difficult in '15 once the KTM got the chassis upgrade.

Big difference I think when you compare Mir to riders like Fenati or Kent is the time it took for him to get winning, if you look back at the aliens time you find they win a title within 2-3 years of racing 125/Moto3.
Actually, a quick look through the notable names stats he did exactly what Rossi did, 2 full seasons to win a title. DP, MM, MV took 3 full seasons. Impressive in a field of young hungry riders with sharp elbows.

Wonder if he'll take to moto2 like a duck to a body of water and start winning straight away like the elder Marquez? IIRC Marquez was on pole on his first moto2 race before binning it? Wonder if anyone will take a bet this early on Mir starting from the front row in Qatar.

onearmedbandit

9th November 2020, 10:56

eelracing

9th November 2020, 12:10

Suzuki heeft Mir mmmmmmmm...

jato

9th November 2020, 16:55

Some people have been getting pretty hot under the collar. I am just trying to re-remind myself why stifling engine development at the highest level is a good idea? :weird:

Basically to stop the biggest cheque book disappearing into the distance... the early part of this article puts it quite well i think https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/yamahas-illegal-engines-how-did-it-happen
Its been a pretty exciting season with so many in with a chance (until lately ) so you've got to say the general framework is pretty good.

SaferRides

10th November 2020, 02:54

I was silently shouting and fist pumping at 2:45 this morning watching two Suzuki's cross the line in 1st and second for the first time in 38yrs. Fantastic result for the factory, team, riders and sponsors. What a season we have had so far.Unfortunately a friend let me know the results before I had a chance to watch the race, but what a great season for Suzuki who could well win all 3 championships.

It's been a long wait.

Should be a competitive season next year if Yamaha and Ducati get their act together. Although Ducati probably just need to get Zarco on a factory bike.

pritch

10th November 2020, 14:02

That Moto3 race was incident packed. Don't see many black flags these days but that one was deserved, Race Direction didn't have a choice really.

mulletman

10th November 2020, 15:14

Should be a competitive season next year if Yamaha and Ducati get their act together. Although Ducati probably just need to get Zarco on a factory bike.

Cant see Yamaha improving one bit with the engine freeze and the continuing valve issues they have , i think they're screwed...

Metastable

10th November 2020, 17:37

Suzuki riders in 1st and 2nd (tied) in the championship with two races to go..... crazy.

onearmedbandit

10th November 2020, 18:24

Suzuki riders in 1st and 2nd (tied) in the championship with two races to go..... crazy.

Tied in the championship? Mir is like 37 points in front of Rins.

onearmedbandit

11th November 2020, 00:15

Well goodbye Mr Iannone...

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/947979/1/cas-increases-andrea-iannones-motogp-ban-4-years

iYRe

11th November 2020, 07:20

Dovi's having a break next year:
https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/11/10/grazie-dovi-social-media-reacts-to-dovizioso-s-sabbatical/

mulletman

11th November 2020, 07:24

Well goodbye Mr Iannone...

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/947979/1/cas-increases-andrea-iannones-motogp-ban-4-years

Damn....

Dovi is in no hurry for a ride next year either

https://www.gpone.com/en/2020/11/10/motogp/dovizioso-opts-to-remain-free-from-any-formal-agreements-for-2021.html

pritch

11th November 2020, 09:05

Damn....

Dovi is in no hurry for a ride next year either

He needs to be careful. There was a report a while back (can't remember where) that Lorenzo's lap times ain't what they used to be. It may be that the riders lose their competitive edge if they take a break. What they are doing normally is pretty extreme, that edge is finely honed.

mulletman

11th November 2020, 11:23

He needs to be careful. There was a report a while back (can't remember where) that Lorenzo's lap times ain't what they used to be. It may be that the riders lose their competitive edge if they take a break. What they are doing normally is pretty extreme, that edge is finely honed.

I agree, maybe cause of Covid Lorenzo couldnt get as much track time as they had originally planned , why he was 'slow' ?

F5 Dave

11th November 2020, 12:08

Whorehey again probably had the stickers in the wrong position on the tank.

He'll get the right mechanic / graphic designer combo and ride in 2022 and smoke MM on equal footing. You read it here first. [Relies on poor memory not to be called out in 2 years. . . ]

Autech

11th November 2020, 12:22

At a guess Dovi, Lorenzo, Iannone etc will never see a Motogp race day again. Too old and the new talent is too fast to take a break like that. While Dovi hasn't taken the injuries over his career that some guys have it's not like there isn't a whole bunch of guys in their 20s lining up willing to take whatever seats he's hoping for for a lot less money. If I were a team I'd be rolling the dice on a Fabio DeGanantonio for 500k euros over a dovi for a few million.

I hope he signs up as Aprilias test rider and does a Pedrosa to bring that bike to the front, it'd be a great middle finger to Ducati if Aleix and whoever is along side him starts finishing ahead of the Dukes week in week out, like the KTM's have done to the Honda quite a lot this season.

Speaking of Hondas, I do hope CC retires from racing, the guys been injured for the best part of a few years now without a break, he's got a gorgeous family and lives in a gorgeous place, go enjoy life!

iYRe

11th November 2020, 12:26

I kinda feel like MM doesnt have too many years left either, even though he's young. His "throw everything at it" approach is doing a lot of damage to his body.

Autech

11th November 2020, 13:24

I kinda feel like MM doesnt have too many years left either, even though he's young. His "throw everything at it" approach is doing a lot of damage to his body.

100%, he's already starting to show some cracks. Even the silly thing he did last year when he was playing mind games with Quatararo in quali and let the tyres cool too much forcing a highside show that he's not indestructible or unbeatable. That's one of the reasons I'm a fan of Mir so much, he's come through the ranks without causing any controversy, he overtakes hard but I can't ever recall seeing him knock someone off or being really rude like MM has over the years. The full package: super fast, super smart and super clean. This is why I've never rated MM as the full package, his style of finding the limit by stepping over it and hoping like hell he saves it is not sustainable. We'll never know if he'd have adapted to the tyres of the year but no doubt he'd have to do his share of crashing to do so, so an injury was always around the corner.

iYRe

11th November 2020, 13:40

Yeah... I guess it is one of those things.. I think MM is a one of a kind sorta rider, unique and freakish..

He sometimes rides really sensibly, taming that wild honda, while observing the enemies weak points then attacking.. and then sometimes just riding like a wildman with no care in the world other than winning like the first race this year - which would have been one of the greatest ever races if hadnt come off.

He kinda reminds me of Steve Irwin... entertaining and exciting to watch but you know one day the stingray's gonna get him

george formby

11th November 2020, 13:47

I kinda feel like MM doesnt have too many years left either, even though he's young. His "throw everything at it" approach is doing a lot of damage to his body.

I don't think he is going to disappear anytime soon but I expect that his glory days will wain from here. He was chucking everything at it at the beginning of the season to stay ahead. Didn't work out too well and the chasing pack are probably a lot faster now and definitely undaunted.

New tricks are being learned quickly, can't remember who it was (Bastianini ?) picked his Moto 2 bike up off his elbow a few races ago. Impressed I was.

Mind you, I would love to see MM battling his little bro.

This season has been jaw dropping.

iYRe

11th November 2020, 14:00

Yeah, I'd like to see him battle his brother too.

I dont actually know that those other guys are faster yet... maybe in a season or 2.. I think he'll still beat em up a little for a bit

sugilite

11th November 2020, 15:41

If he has not actually screwed his arm up permanently. I hope not, he is a once in generations rider!

Metastable

11th November 2020, 18:06

Tied in the championship? Mir is like 37 points in front of Rins.

Rins tied with Fabio Q. For 2nd. :)

pritch

11th November 2020, 18:15

If he has not actually screwed his arm up permanently. I hope not, he is a once in generations rider!

Yeah, that's what happened to Freddie Spencer.

onearmedbandit

11th November 2020, 18:22

Rins tied with Fabio Q. For 2nd. :)

Ah misread it as the two Suzuki riders tied. My bad.

Autech

12th November 2020, 10:02

If he has not actually screwed his arm up permanently. I hope not, he is a once in generations rider!

Best Millennial racer perhaps? That chucks him in with Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Stoner etc though so there definitely is some stiff competition for best of the Millennials. Can't argue with all his titles though so that's sealed.

Wonder if Mir will be the best of the Zoomer generation? Watch this space :)

sugilite

12th November 2020, 11:24

Autech

12th November 2020, 13:05

More about the Rossi stand in that was'nt.
https://the-race.com/motogp/what-now-for-rossis-exceptional-motogp-stand-in/

1st time on a motogp bike
1st time at the track
Only 2 sessions, one wet, one drying.
1.5 seconds off the pace - wow!

Yup he should be on the Petronsa bike next year, not Rossi. Time for Rossi to sit back and watch his students florish

pritch

12th November 2020, 21:49

Yup he should be on the Petronsa bike next year, not Rossi. Time for Rossi to sit back and watch his students florish

Time seems to have caught up with the old feller. It's getting to be a bit sad watching him. OK he's had a bad run, Yamaha have engine problems, he had COVID, he gets back and has a DNF.
None of that is down to him but it's really bad timing.

The there's this about Marquez. A statement like "his management are not denying it," is not quite the same as his manager confirming it.
https://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-faces-further-blow-that-could-delay-motogp-return/

roogazza

13th November 2020, 05:47

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/153442/rossi-tests-positive-for-covid19-again
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BUGGER !

Dadpole

13th November 2020, 06:21

Further tests have cleared Rossi to race. It is weird to see the old git so far down the world standings. Has he ever had a worse year than 2020?

Autech

13th November 2020, 08:48

Time seems to have caught up with the old feller. It's getting to be a bit sad watching him. OK he's had a bad run, Yamaha have engine problems, he had COVID, he gets back and has a DNF.
None of that is down to him but it's really bad timing.

The there's this about Marquez. A statement like "his management are not denying it," is not quite the same as his manager confirming it.
https://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-faces-further-blow-that-could-delay-motogp-return/

Yeah he's fast enough, just not fast enough if you catch my drift. Even finishing in the top 10 in the MMM era is proof he's still got the speed, but the final few tenths... That takes being in your 20s without 100s of millions in the bank weighing you down :D

roogazza

13th November 2020, 13:27

Further tests have cleared Rossi to race. It is weird to see the old git so far down the world standings. Has he ever had a worse year than 2020?

With a girlfriend/wife to be like that,it'd be hard to keep the mind on the job too ? :laugh:

ps quiet thru Mako mako this morn !!!!!!! :msn-wink::rolleyes::banana:

Dadpole

13th November 2020, 15:55

ps quiet thru Mako mako this morn !!!!!!! :msn-wink::rolleyes::banana:

Don't even notice you on that stealth bike... So many noisy Hardlys around that a quiet bike is almost invisible.

roogazza

13th November 2020, 16:49

Don't even notice you on that stealth bike... So many noisy Hardlys around that a quiet bike is almost invisible.
whats going on in town,plenty of workers but they seem to spend a lot of time eating pies and drinking coffee ?
But yeah, nice to be back after 3 mths of Winter !

Dadpole

13th November 2020, 20:51

That is the town center 'revival' where they take all year to reinstate the road and footpath they dug up - but only after the council has agreed to pay "unexpected extra costs". They took 3 months to reseal where ONE road joined the main road. :facepalm:

Ruahine

13th November 2020, 21:08

roogazza

14th November 2020, 06:15

Sounds like Pahiatua...

My Coffee/Cigar stop, friendly people !

Getting back to Motogp,maybe we can have a race for official testers next year,we seem to have quite a few? Horhay,Dovi ,Crutchlow, Pedro, Bwadley Smiff . (no Vale yet tho !).:lol:

Dadpole

14th November 2020, 07:23

Sounds like Pahiatua...

X does mark the spot. Give that man a cigar...

george formby

14th November 2020, 07:51

My Coffee/Cigar stop, friendly people !

Getting back to Motogp,maybe we can have a race for official testers next year,we seem to have quite a few? Horhay,Dovi ,Crutchlow, Pedro, Bwadley Smiff . (no Vale yet tho !).:lol:

You would have to have Sylvain Guintouli in the mix. Seems to have done a fine job.

pritch

14th November 2020, 10:28

Rossi may go in a different direction, team manager rather than test rider.

Reckless

14th November 2020, 10:54

Yeah he's fast enough, just not fast enough if you catch my drift. Even finishing in the top 10 in the MMM era is proof he's still got the speed, but the final few tenths... That takes being in your 20s without 100s of millions in the bank weighing you down :D

Very true most of your posts are very well thought out :yes:

My opinion on Rossi is
You come up slowly through the ranks why do you have to completely stop racing when you have lost those required final 10th's
Why cant you gracefully drift down. Nicky Hadden wasn't criticized when he did basically the same.
Fuck me there is a shit load of us enjoying racing and we will never even make the top 6 in the NZ scene.
I reckon leave Rossi alone he might do a season in Petronus and a couple on another brand as he bows out.
But as long as he is happy within himself lining up on the grid I'm going to give him ups not call for him to quit.
I personally don't have a favorite last couple seasons just really enjoying the racing TBH.

In saying that I think we will see a full SKY/VR46 team giving his academy riders a full opportunity to train and race every MotoGP class in the not to distant future.

Autech

14th November 2020, 11:32

Very true most of your posts are very well thought out :yes:

My opinion on Rossi is
You come up slowly through the ranks why do you have to completely stop racing when you have lost those required final 10th's
Why cant you gracefully drift down. Nicky Hadden wasn't criticized when he did basically the same.
Fuck me there is a shit load of us enjoying racing and we will never even make the top 6 in the NZ scene.
I reckon leave Rossi alone he might do a season in Petronus and a couple on another brand as he bows out.
But as long as he is happy within himself lining up on the grid I'm going to give him ups not call for him to quit.
I personally don't have a favorite last couple seasons just really enjoying the racing TBH.

In saying that I think we will see a full SKY/VR46 team giving his academy riders a full opportunity to train and race every MotoGP class in the not to distant future.Cheers

I agree re Rossi, I just feel he now has more to offer the sport on the sidelines than on the grid. He definitely deserves his seat, the fact he finishes ahead of Vinales 90% of the time it seems is proof of that. Considering everytime he throws a leg over that bike he risks death or serious injury (red bull ring case and match point) I wonder if gracefully retiring is the right option?

I'm just looking to the future of the sport in general, Rossi has created something truely special with VR46, I wonder how many of the riders that have made it through that academy to dominate would have managed to without his coaching and management?

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