MotoGP 2023

[Autech]

So watching MM it looks like the Kalex chassis has helped with the rear wheel spinning up, he was excellent out of the corners on the throttle

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[jato]

These sprint races are a real bonus for us imho ... so tonight as is often the case i'm hoping jack will do the business - but quietly expecting him to cartwheel it into the bushes, in which case it'll be Go Brad!!

[iYRe]

Well.. that was a helluva MotoGP.
Still waiting for my heart rate to drop, lol.

[James Deuce]

Well.. that was a helluva MotoGP.
Still waiting for my heart rate to drop, lol.
Enjoyed that but feel sorry for a particular rider who did a great job and didn't end up with the appropriate reward.

[iYRe]

Enjoyed that but feel sorry for a particular rider who did a great job and didn't end up with the appropriate reward.

If you mean the one who clearly had the slower bike but by sheer willpower and freakish riding ability who pretty much slid the bike around the track for 20 odd laps, me too.

Also sucks for the initial leader too.. some epic battles going on there.

[James Deuce]

If you mean the one who clearly had the slower bike but by sheer willpower and freakish riding ability who pretty much slid the bike around the track for 20 odd laps, me too.

Also sucks for the initial leader too.. some epic battles going on there.
Yeah, that one. The initial leader performed 100% as expected. Normal race for that rider.

[onearmedbandit]

Yup Jack does seem to struggle mid to late race with tyre issues, be great to see him sort that. Fantastic effort by Marquez, gutted for him in the final laps to drop it but still an outstanding performance. Some big hits in that race, a lot of debate over the Vinales/Bagnia incident that saw them both go down but no penalty handed out. Gutted for Alex too, nothing he could do to avoid Luca.

[James Deuce]

Yup Jack does seem to struggle mid to late race with tyre issues, be great to see him sort that. Fantastic effort by Marquez, gutted for him in the final laps to drop it but still an outstanding performance. Some big hits in that race, a lot of debate over the Vinales/Bagnia incident that saw them both go down but no penalty handed out. Gutted for Alex too, nothing he could do to avoid Luca.
We were trying not to spoil it.

[onearmedbandit]

We were trying not to spoil it.


Gee I didn't realise, however, it's a MotoGP discussion thread, anyone coming in here before seeing the race should be prepared to read something about the race. Otherwise how long do we wait before we can talk about it lol.

[James Deuce]

Gee I didn't realise, however, it's a MotoGP discussion thread, anyone coming in here before seeing the race should be prepared to read something about the race. Otherwise how long do we wait before we can talk about it lol.
Usually until after people have gotten home from work tonight and watched a replay. Why the fuck did I even comment in the fucking first place. Not allowed to kind to people. At all. ever.

[onearmedbandit]

Usually until after people have gotten home from work tonight and watched a replay. Why the fuck did I even comment in the fucking first place. Not allowed to kind to people. At all. ever.

So don't come into a thread discussing MotoGP races if you haven't seen the race. Nothing about being kind at all. Otherwise tell me, when do you think the embargo should end so we can discuss the race in public?

I belong to many MotoGP fan groups, I don't go demanding they don't discuss the race in open terms until I've seen it, I watch it first then go to discuss it.

[Reckless]

So don't come into a thread discussing MotoGP races if you haven't seen the race. Nothing about being kind at all. Otherwise tell me, when do you think the embargo should end so we can discuss the race in public?

I belong to many MotoGP fan groups, I don't go demanding they don't discuss the race in open terms until I've seen it, I watch it first then go to discuss it.

I agree I even go straight to "no spoiler" on the phone as the news pop ups even give it away. The race was at midnight NZ time plenty of time to get up and watch it before work.

Watched it this morning over early breaky as I usually do. Bloody hell what a race.
Again I can't see anything wrong with Race control decisions.
I did think Alex Marquez was over riding a bit I thought it was him pushed two riders wide at the start and could he have gone inside Marini if he had have been bit more aware??
Not sure if I am doing him a dis-service but wow race full of action that's for sure :)
Feel sorry for Miller he just cant seem to put together that final 2%

Still pissed at the director in the sprint not showing all the action going in in the second group had to try and keep watching the background.

But all and all Moto GP is the best we have had this year.
Championship is all re-mixed again
I dare you to try pick a 2023 champion :brick:

Edit Not sure if you can watch this but the riders comments
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2023/05/14/that-s-why-i-was-so-angry-pecco-vinales-assess-clash/455564?fbclid=IwAR17IVpfXK0whmJbiYzoXNPMYWHRHz5kv3 gp1sF2ZTzVGVXzIr60P7f-CiU

[iYRe]

I dare you to try pick a 2023 champion :brick:

Edit Not sure if you can watch this but the riders comments
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2023/05/14/that-s-why-i-was-so-angry-pecco-vinales-assess-clash/455564?fbclid=IwAR17IVpfXK0whmJbiYzoXNPMYWHRHz5kv3 gp1sF2ZTzVGVXzIr60P7f-CiU

I reckon it will be the one with the most points at the end of the season.. I'd put all my money on that :P Anyone who thinks they can guess any better is a liar :P

That video is free if you have a login.

I tend to try not to spoil it for people on the day of the race.. after monday though its too late. If I havent seen it by the end of today i dont check here until I have.

[sugilite]

Wow, another amazing race, and another round where to my mind at least, the main race produced more carnage than the sprint race!
Cannot help wondering how Jack would of gone with the harder front he had used in the earlier sprint race.

As for the spoilers thing, I have mentioned before, anyone that does not want any spoilers, then chooses to come to a thread about motogp deserves what they get.
So often I feel like posting while it is happening or right after, then I lost the momentum and don't bother posting at all due to the spoiler police reactions. Online forums are already dead enough and need all the posts they can get imho.

[BMWST?]

I agree.Once the race has been run we should be able to talk about it here....if you havent seen it and dont want to know till you have then DONT COME HERE till you have
Was gutted for MM and very impressed with Bezechi Did Marc race the Kalex chassis?

[Reckless]

I bloody new it 😋 and not just the first lap. Well done steward's 🍫

https://the-race.com/motogp/motogp-grid-drop-handed-to-marquez-for-overly-ambitious-riding/

[roogazza]

did I count 8 DNF's !!!!!!!!! I'll watch it next Sunday !

[iYRe]

Did Marc race the Kalex chassis?

Aye, he did. Seemed to help with some things and not others.

I dont know if this is a thing, but he seemed able to keep up with the Duc's on the straights, I dont know if that is jsut a Le Mans thing or not, but he was hittign 313kmh I saw at one point.

[onearmedbandit]

Simon commented that he thought the drive out of corners looked better on the Kalex, if so that'll help with better top speeds.

[BMWST?]

i thought the sound of the Honda was very smooth.I dont know if thats the elcetronics or MM throttle control. The soundtrack of the ducs is much less linear

[Autech]

On the whole spoiler front. Us old times of this forum tend to refrain from talking about moto2 and moto3 until a few days after just to be safe as not everyone watches them in order. Discussing the motogp is safe enough though as avoiding this thread is piss easy.

Predictable outcome really, whole bunch of non ducatis riding the wheels off their bikes to overcome the horde of Ducatis all working off each others data. Looks like the KTMs are inbound big time though, just wish Jack could put a whole weekend together. If Brad could learn to qualify he's in for a real shot too.

Maverick was looking fast enough to win it tbh, fucking shame but that's racing.

Mir's an interesting one, for a guy who won a championship just by staying on board he's crashing a whole lot. After reading the interview from Marc recently saying he deliberately sabotages team mates though I'm not sure Honda will be getting the best feed back to help Mir. I can't help but think a certain Moto2 talent might end up next to him soon though as KTM don't really have the space.

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[Reckless]

Interesting article by Simon Crafer on KTM and Jack Miller thought you guys might be interested

https://amcn.com.au/editorial/jack-miller-the-rise-of-ktm/

[iYRe]

"they" (the unknown experts) say Jack used the wrong tire in the sprint, and that's where they usually get the data for the long race choice - made the wrong choice and couldnt keep up at the end. Seems feasible.

[jato]

that was a good read thanks reckless - i've been watching him since moto 3 and so looking forward to him succeeding in mgp. i hope he gets his tendency to crash under control - no chance of a championship until then ... roll on the next race

[onearmedbandit]

That was a great read, thanks for sharing.



"they" (the unknown experts) say Jack used the wrong tire in the sprint, and that's where they usually get the data for the long race choice - made the wrong choice and couldnt keep up at the end. Seems feasible.

Even Jack said he used the wrong tyre.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1026410/1/jack-miller-i-apologise-team

[iYRe]

Even Jack said he used the wrong tyre.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1026410/1/jack-miller-i-apologise-team

I guess the experts were right then heh

[onearmedbandit]

You don't need a facebook or instagram account to see this...

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsWKDbOoWB_/?img_index=1

Here's Poncharal's response

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1026509/1/poncharal-blasts-bagnaia-factory-satellite-nonsense

[sugilite]

Yeah, I' was surprised to see that too OAB. Maybe they should give Pecco a nice 10 second head start - for safety reasons if course :rolleyes:

[iYRe]

So, either he is pissed off because he keeps crashing and is looking for someone to blame, or he has a point.
I think its a bit of both.
I also wonder, it seems to me that braking limits are different for different riders, different bikes, different riders on the same bikes.. so not sure how he can make the claim that because he is on the limit, no one should be allowed to pass him. If that was the case MM should never be allowed to pass anyone.

[onearmedbandit]

As Herve pointed out, Bagnia himself benefited from the reduced gaps between satellite and factory bikes, and now he's at the top he wants to reduce that benefit to other riders.

[onearmedbandit]

I also wonder, it seems to me that braking limits are different for different riders, different bikes, different riders on the same bikes.. so not sure how he can make the claim that because he is on the limit, no one should be allowed to pass him. If that was the case MM should never be allowed to pass anyone.

100%. Who is he to say that his limit is everyone else's too.

[F5 Dave]

That was a good write up thanks Reckless.

As for spoilers I was sick and missed Spain so have to see if I can watch on demand when I have some time.
So if you lot wouldn't mind, please clean up previous pages I've been avoiding in case I accidentally check back a few pages. You can add them back once I've watched it. Thank you.

[sugilite]

Vinales won :innocent:

[Reckless]

Bagnia
Prob seems very logical in his head :cool:
But it is entirely from the perspective of a man trying to defend his tittle :first:

I doubt anyone else shares that opinion and he is going to get some shit for it :devil2:

Herb Ponchural said try telling that to Bezz or Pramac
https://www.motogp.com/en/in%20the%20media/2023/05/17/poncharal-replies-to-pecco-that-s-bullsh-t/455698

He is getting ripped into by fellow teams and all and sundry on the internet :girlfight:

[F5 Dave]

Vinales won :innocent:

Thanks, but I've figured you are just trying to wind up James Deuce. :msn-wink:

Boy will I be surprised.

[jato]

We must be due to have a race soon ... a few interesting tech pics here followed by some comments from insiders or near to.https://motomatters.com/index.php/comment/111237
The Ktm is a work of art - jack needs to use all of his brain for the rest of the year

[Ruahine]

Looks like MotoGP will be on TVNZ+ from July. Hopefully they host the same level of content as Spark.


https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/06/07/tvnz-confirms-the-free-to-air-sports-it-will-broadcast-from-july/

https://help.sparksport.co.nz/discover-content/motogp-content

[mulletman]

Heres Pirro into San Donato

[jato]

i see the forecast is looking dodgy for mugello today -thunderstorms even... so maybe Brad B will round up a few more points, or zarco or jack in tonights sprint. 1 in the morning... hmmmm might set the alarm...

[Reckless]

Tell you guys one thing there is a heck of a lot of cripples out there :shit:

How many are not 100%, be quite a few that's for sure :facepalm:

[jato]

... and a bit of niggle in Q2 with marquez loitering with intent... Bagnaia so lets him into his head of course. now where's that alarm clock?

[Grumph]

Tell you guys one thing there is a heck of a lot of cripples out there :shit:

How many are not 100%, be quite a few that's for sure :facepalm:


The sprint format with it's extra race mileage has increased the chance of injury by about 50% IMO.
Not sure it's sustainable.

[iYRe]

Well that was a fun race. Sucks to be MM.. I mean, clearly one of the slowest most unridable bikes out there and he goes on the front row.. One of the commentators said "MM can get that honda close to the front, and once he is there he forgets how bad it is and just rides totally on instinct". Good Sprint though, lots of action. Tomorrow will be fun

[BMWST?]

The sprint format with it's extra race mileage has increased the chance of injury by about 50% IMO.
Not sure it's sustainable.
ys that was a fear i had about the sprint races.They are more risky than the main races imo. all the Honda riders bar MM are injured/crashed .Was interested to see how Rins woud go as he was 10th on the grid but he crashed

[onearmedbandit]

And won't be back on track any time soon I'm guessing

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1028505/1/alex-rins-suffers-broken-leg-sprint-race-accident-needs-multiple-surgeries

[Reckless]

Honda Claims another Rider :(

Getting really pissed at the long delay before Practices Qually and Races are up on "No Spoiler".
5 hours and FP1 and Qually wasn't there but the vid was up and available in the schedule page
It is damn near useless.
If you click on home so you can get to the schedule page for the posted vids the bloody headlines are right in your face.


Great sprint
MM was on the Honda chassis not the Kalex if Simon is correct And yes I am one that gets pissed at his qually tactics.
Alex Marquez was very hard done by to fall. Vids up on GP and Brad Does have a point- Hope it free to watch.
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2023/06/10/binder-feels-robbed-a-marquez-counts-cost-of-crash/456809
Aliex dug really deep and beat Vinales after his silly cycle accident at the track Thursday - Bloody cell phones LOL
Bez is rinding well - keeping Pecco honest
I wish Miller had another couple tenths in him for us down under
Over all tho
Can't overstate the class of Pecco leading from the front like that.

MotoGP with breakfast tomorrow :)

[sugilite]

OK, Pecco sure rode the ride of a champion. Managing the gap perfectly. It was in the bag from the first lap really.
Someone may wish to whisper in Zarcos ear, the race starts when the flag drops, not half way through. Time and time again he comes forward to podium contention right near the end.

I was looking forward to a brotherly battle between Marquez brothers, but alas it did not come to pass. I guess MM won the first to the deck race.

MM is still yet to cross the finish line in a full laps race this year! Even though he is not my favorite personality, I still believe he is the most talented rider out there.
Assuming Honda does not build a championship winning bike next year, I reckon MM best move will be to finish what I assume would be a rock solid Honda contract then swap to Aprillia in 25 - assuming he still has a body left.
KTM is full, Ducati factory team is settled with plenty of eager talented riders from satellite teams waiting in the wings.
So which rider for Aprillia to ditch, Aleix or Vinales? For me it is Vinales. He has shown now it matters not what brand he is riding, he simply cannot get out of his head and stop blaming everything else for his woes. While Aleix is less gifted, he makes up for with a never say die approach. His passion cannot really be questioned. Vinales - the moment some small issue or perceived issue comes up, he simply phones it in. Really at this point, he should be sponsored by Apple or Samsung.

[onearmedbandit]

Aleix said recently that 2024 may be his last season as a racer but will like to be still involved in MotoGP as a tester etc, so there may be two factory seats up for grabs come the end of next year.

[sugilite]

Interesting, Fabio and MM for Aprillia in 25? Now that would be a force to be reckoned with!

[onearmedbandit]

https://the-race.com/motogp/i-think-2024-will-be-my-last-motogp-season-aleix-espargaro/

[Reckless]

Good race by the master at home :)
The rest had a few scraps pretty good overall sorta looking forward to the sprints more??

Bez will be pissed, so will KTM.

Interesting comments on Aliex thanks for the article onearmbandit
and didn't MM look pissed at the bike, sulked straight to his trailer, with the top brass following shortly after.
Aprilia might be a good option but MM does get 12 million Euros a year atm :crazy:

Alex Marquez is lucky again he didnt take a few out that first corner he is trying to hard I reckon.
He cant keep shooting wide on entry and expecting a following rider not to be in the hole he just left DUH.

Sugilite I reckon they should drop Vinales from my observation. He simply can't tune the bike well enough or ride around an Issue and blames the mechanics for this shortcoming.
Pranged up Aleix out rode him all weekend.

At least this after race conference Martin didnt spend the whole time picking skin off his hands and arms - Someone should have word with that lad.

Next week we are up again :)

[BMWST?]

Germany.Will MM be even more determined to try for the podium!?!?!

[sugilite]

For sure. At this track, I strongly believe MM can win. It would be good for the championship if he does imo.

[iYRe]

For sure. At this track, I strongly believe MM can win. It would be good for the championship if he does imo.

In an interview MM said he would be happy with top 10 or something similar

[sugilite]

In an interview MM said he would be happy with top 10 or something similar

Odd, I've never seen MM look like he is riding for 10th ;)

[iYRe]

Odd, I've never seen MM look like he is riding for 10th ;)

Me either, I think he was just a bit miserable about the bike and its chances. If he wins, or even podiums it will cement his place as an alien no one else even comes close on the Honda. Hell, perhaps even stays on and finishes in top 10.

[BMWST?]

Me either, I think he was just a bit miserable about the bike and its chances. If he wins, or even podiums it will cement his place as an alien no one else even comes close on the Honda. Hell, perhaps even stays on and finishes in top 10.
so right...I reckon Rins is absolutely one of the best riders ,not to mention Mir,and they are all at sea .
That was also illustrated with Lorenzo and perhaps not quite so clear cut with Pol. They need to get some F1 expertise and actually listen to what mir and rins tell them. I dont think MM can really help them cos he is off the charts with what he can do. Is his feedback useable?

[iYRe]

Is his feedback useable?
His feedback and detail is amazing, so I heard. His crew chief said:
“I never spoke to Marc before starting to work with him in 2011 in Moto2,” he recalls. “But I was surprised at the first test in Jerez how such a young rider could stop and explain to me what was going on with the bike. He had zero experience with a four-stroke and a Moto2 bike. I’d worked and spoken with lot of riders but his comments were amazing.

“I didn’t expect that. It would be easy for me to say now ‘Oh, back then I saw he would do so much…’ but honestly, at that time, I had no idea how much he would win or achieve. But I did think he was someone special compared to the others. It was a big responsibility for me.”

Apparently MM has said he would have been a bike mechanic had he not been a racer. But yeah, I think the bike data from his bike isnt much use to the likes of Mir lol.

[pritch]

It's a nice day so I dusted off the bike and went for a ride. Came back, had a dup of tea and a chocky bikkie, and watched the GP. Not a bad afternoon.

[iYRe]

It's a nice day so I dusted off the bike and went for a ride. Came back, had a dup of tea and a chocky bikkie, and watched the GP. Not a bad afternoon.

haha, i took the tiger out from Pokeno to Matarangi for a job, then watched the GP when I got home yesterday. Downside was the stupid ticket while passing a car in a 90k "safer speed zone" on a relatively new, median barriered dual carriage way when there was no one else visible and the dude next to me decided it was a race. Oh.. and the pain in my legs was unbearable.. the first half of the ride out from Thames to Matarangi with lunch at the Coromandel Oyster Company was epic...

I dont think I can ride any more.. at least not till my hips are replaced (if)

[pritch]

I dont think I can ride any more.. at least not till my hips are replaced (if)

Good luck with the surgeries. Both of my knees are bionic.

[iYRe]

Good luck with the surgeries. Both of my knees are bionic.

thanks. I just gotta convince someone that its important lol

[Grumph]

thanks. I just gotta convince someone that its important lol

Don't get both done at the same time. Old mate did - and found he couldn't do the exercises required to get full movement.
Had to give up both racing and road riding.
One at a time and you've got a sound leg to work off when you exercise.

Also FYI - another mate got dropped off a surgery list locally. His (German) girlfriend started ringing contacts and they flew to Germany.
4000 Euro and one hip was done in a teaching hospital in Munich. Included 10 days accomodation.
Last i heard he was looking at going back for the other one.

[iYRe]

aww man, I could handle going to Germany!

[F5 Dave]

Well MM standing in the gravel with a look of - Dont make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Seriously looking like he was going to Hulk out.
Probably steroids, he was looking overly muscular I thought.
;)

[sugilite]

I dunno man, moments later, he was looking pretty deflated.

[roogazza]

Good luck with the surgeries. Both of my knees are bionic.

I'm going thru the Xray Ultra scan and MRI's at the mo. Arthritic right knee is jamming either nerves or blood supply to foot (its numb and I can't feel the rear brake lol).
Not waiting for the health care list which takes forever,and no insurance ,so its pay up !
could be 30 grand ????

I'm paying for a sporty life of running,marathons and squash and a bike crash at age 20 when a car hit me.

haha donations to roogazza at kiwibiker lol.

[iYRe]

Well MM standing in the gravel with a look of - Dont make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Seriously looking like he was going to Hulk out.
Probably steroids, he was looking overly muscular I thought.
;)

Well, it was his airbag, but yeah.. definitely hulkish :P

[onearmedbandit]

I think you'll find Dave's comment was tongue-in-cheek.

[iYRe]

I think you'll find Dave's comment was tongue-in-cheek.

I did, but didnt feel it hurt to point it out anyway :P

[BMWST?]

I'm going thru the Xray Ultra scan and MRI's at the mo. Arthritic right knee is jamming either nerves or blood supply to foot (its numb and I can't feel the rear brake lol).
Not waiting for the health care list which takes forever,and no insurance ,so its pay up !
could be 30 grand ????

I'm paying for a sporty life of running,marathons and squash and a bike crash at age 20 when a car hit me.

haha donations to roogazza at kiwibiker lol.
thumb brake??

[iYRe]

I'm going thru the Xray Ultra scan and MRI's at the mo. Arthritic right knee is jamming either nerves or blood supply to foot (its numb and I can't feel the rear brake lol).
Not waiting for the health care list which takes forever,and no insurance ,so its pay up !
could be 30 grand ????

I'm paying for a sporty life of running,marathons and squash and a bike crash at age 20 when a car hit me.

haha donations to roogazza at kiwibiker lol.

Yeah I was getting pins and needles, and having trouble raising my toes to brake, not to mention getting off and on a Tiger is a mission at the best of times.

[actungbaby]

Looks like MotoGP will be on TVNZ+ from July. Hopefully they host the same level of content as Spark.


https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/06/07/tvnz-confirms-the-free-to-air-sports-it-will-broadcast-from-july/

https://help.sparksport.co.nz/discover-content/motogp-contentThanks was worried i miss out.
Asked sky but got no answer.
Am on spark sport .

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[actungbaby]

so right...I reckon Rins is absolutely one of the best riders ,not to mention Mir,and they are all at sea .
That was also illustrated with Lorenzo and perhaps not quite so clear cut with Pol. They need to get some F1 expertise and actually listen to what mir and rins tell them. I dont think MM can really help them cos he is off the charts with what he can do. Is his feedback useable?Omg that video shot of mm staring at his honda .pans back to the crew chief .said it all.
I think that was bye honda
It was something i never seen.
This must be worst moment , in 4o years following gp racing.
Of course not counting some terrible deaths.

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[actungbaby]

haha, i took the tiger out from Pokeno to Matarangi for a job, then watched the GP when I got home yesterday. Downside was the stupid ticket while passing a car in a 90k "safer speed zone" on a relatively new, median barriered dual carriage way when there was no one else visible and the dude next to me decided it was a race. Oh.. and the pain in my legs was unbearable.. the first half of the ride out from Thames to Matarangi with lunch at the Coromandel Oyster Company was epic...

I dont think I can ride any more.. at least not till my hips are replaced (if)God join the club , if its not my arm having pain right down to my hand.
Thats seems okay know .before was my dam damaged foot.not that am whinging much.riding for living seemed ideal , but brain so fucked after a day.dont feel like riding my own bikes .its the constant look out for everthing.
I can handle a bit of pain , but
When its 5 hours its like , it makes the job just.a grind .

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[actungbaby]

Well MM standing in the gravel with a look of - Dont make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Seriously looking like he was going to Hulk out.
Probably steroids, he was looking overly muscular I thought.
;)Royd rage u rekon [emoji16]

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[roogazza]

Looks like MotoGP will be on TVNZ+ from July. Hopefully they host the same level of content as Spark.


https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/06/07/tvnz-confirms-the-free-to-air-sports-it-will-broadcast-from-july/

https://help.sparksport.co.nz/discover-content/motogp-content

Cheers bud ,that'll suit me. (had heard it was gunna happen ?) xxxx

[roogazza]

Attendance figures for Mugello last year were 44,000 , this year 77,000 !!! Big improvement !

Nothing like the 100,000 to 120,000 that used to arrive on race day in the years I attended.

Of course Italy has been the most expensive GP to attend and now I see on Crash people are suggesting ticket costs should be reduced???
I seem to remember paying around 150 Euros for the 4 days in 2005 ??? later I got some great contacts who got me in the gates for zilch and passes to everywhere ! (lucky I know xx). :yes:

[BMWST?]

Cheers bud ,that'll suit me. (had heard it was gunna happen ?) xxxx
yes spark sport said that content was going to tvnz but no specifics.I will see what thier coverage is like this weekend otherwise i might bite the bullet and get motogp .com. They will be having some reduced prices for the rest of the season
Do people watch motogp.com on google/android tv??

[iYRe]

yes spark sport said that content was going to tvnz but no specifics.I will see what thier coverage is like this weekend otherwise i might bite the bullet and get motogp .com. They will be having some reduced prices for the rest of the season
Do people watch motogp.com on google/android tv??

It wont be on TVNZ until July 1, so still a few more races on spark sport or whatever.

[Reckless]

Do people watch motogp.com on google/android tv??

I Seldom watch live usually next morning before my news feeds let me see the results.
All via the MotoGp android app on the phone

Option 1
Generally Chromecast to TV from the cellphone via MotoGP no Spoiler app.

Option 2
If no spoiler is to slow and the vids not up click the three bars (bottom right) and go to home.
Cover the bottom 2/3rds of the phone with my hand so I can't see the Latest news and click into the schedule.
That has the session Videos and press conferences under each session on each day. Then activate the Vid and chromcast to TV

Option 3
go live feed and scroll back.

Option 1 is best because you can Pause, fast forward and back once it is cast to the TV via the app.
The rest you run the risk of seeing the result. But No Spoiler can have a lag of a few hours before the races are up.
Last race was 1am our time and was up on no spoiler at 7am. But I have had trouble when wanting to watch something a couple of hours after it was run hence option 2 & 3.

I think I will stick with MotoGP Sub in future as I like the rider conferences you learn so much when the press have a go at question time.
I am guessing TV1 will only have the Motogp races and not much else??

[BMWST?]

You are right this weekend still there spark sport

[BMWST?]

I am guessing TV1 will only have the Motogp races and not much else??
no idea mate,but i cant see them showing anything else but the races

[Reckless]

FP2 Great session

injured Aleix vs MV= no contest :bash:

Also learnt 4 things :yes:

Simon is a fantastic knowledge provider :woohoo:
The rubber in the slicks twice as hard as a stock road tyre till hot. Operating temp for a rear is 150°
The carbon fiber fork tubes are "Made in NZ"= Wow!! :Punk:

Don't be anywhere near any Honda on track :facepalm: :no: Far out lucky lucky Zarco :sick:

[jato]

Close shave at the end of that session alright ... Zarcos bike getting cut in half from underneath him. Marquez then saying Zarco at fault for exiting pit lane without enough caution...

[sugilite]

Close shave at the end of that session alright ... Zarcos bike getting cut in half from underneath him. Marquez then saying Zarco at fault for exiting pit lane without enough caution...

Yeah, super poor form on MM's part there. Nothing Zarco could do.
Wonder what Honda made of MM flipping the bird to his own bike.

[onearmedbandit]

The rubber in the slicks twice as hard as a stock road tyre till hot. Operating temp for a rear is 150°


I think he said 10x, but yes while Simon's delivery is not the best his knowledge and ability to spot even minor setup changes makes him a total asset to MotoGP.

[Reckless]

Yeah, super poor form on MM's part there. Nothing Zarco could do.
Wonder what Honda made of MM flipping the bird to his own bike.

Snipped it for your guys LMAO

[pritch]

This from Twitter. Ms Gorali is a GP journo from Israel.

[iYRe]

This from Twitter. Ms Gorali is a GP journo from Israel.

I reckon he is either out, or gonna get out of his contract. I dont see how he can keep riding this way, and I cant see how he cant ride this way, if you catch my drift.
He clearly still wants to ride, but he's going to end up crippled, unless the bike gets fixed or he geta another ride.

[jato]

a seven minute recap of MM's weekend so far ... doesn't really look too pretty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwy5707UA0

[BMWST?]

i dont think Honda knows how to fix the bike.Will they have concessions next year? They could do with more testing.What do Honda themselves know about aero.?

[Autech]

I thought Marc could win on any bike though?
Guess he's human after all...

Go Jack!

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[jato]

... and another evil crash for MM 5 mins into the warmup... he needs to ease up and settle for what the bike is capable of (10th?) . sooner or later it'll end badly otherwise. Go Jack (and Brad). Actually J Martin too

[iYRe]

I thought Marc could win on any bike though?
Guess he's human after all...

Even an alien cant win on that bike, the fact he is even able to do what he does is amazing.. remember most of the other guys, Rins and Mir are screwed and TN is circulating in last place.

Martin seems to have grown a new leg.. GJ to him.

[Autech]

Even an alien cant win on that bike, the fact he is even able to do what he does is amazing.. remember most of the other guys, Rins and Mir are screwed and TN is circulating in last place.

Martin seems to have grown a new leg.. GJ to him.He's been proclaimed by so many to be this amazing rider who could ride anything and win on anything. That's simply not the case. What we're seeing is the result of the level being raised and him not being able to match it, then him being fucking reckless because he can't. That's how he got injured in the first place, trying to push to dominate the likes of Quatararo.

Same thing happened to Rossi after all, the young guns came in and raised the bar just as he did when he rocked in at 2013. Still not understating his achievements when he was at the top of the game of course, he was king for many years.

Rins showed it can still win after all so its not all bad. How was he rewarded? Not getting access to the upgrades that the others got. Ducati are where they are as they are working as a team every weekend, that's how they got where they are. Unless Honda start doing the same they'll be screwed.

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[Reckless]

What a great battle for 1st and 2nd :) :banana: Well done to both.

I also saw Jorge (in the background while talking to Pecco) getting a prompt to sit up and get his camera presentation sorted :)
So looks like they are working on thew Whole package incl fitness.

I really like Ducati and the riders attitude to racing, team orders and racing in general. If you watch post race conference this is well evident.

Poor Jack he just doesn't seem to be able to put it all together. I had hope but it didnt happen :(

MM didn't race - WOW - thats a big call for him - A turning point??
Prob told HRC the bike is un-ridable if he can't even make it through warm up.
I am not a fan but I feel for him he is one of the few that push past the limit to find it - its in his DNA.
But I didnt like his lack of empathy when he walked past Johan to get back to the pits after the prang.
Big issues there with the rider and the bike - watch this space

[iYRe]

That's simply not the case. What we're seeing is the result of the level being raised and him not being able to match it, then him being fucking reckless because he can't. That's how he got injured in the first place, trying to push to dominate the likes of Quatararo.

You're the only person I have seen say that. Virtually everyone, commentators, etc, all say the bike is unrideable and the fact he can even get on the front row at all is amazing.
Rins and Mir are out injured because of the bike, TN is riding like an old lady because he doesnt want to crash.

The bike sucks so bad we cant even tell if the level of the new guys is raised to the level he cant match it. Lets get him on a bike that works and see first?

[Autech]

I have no doubt he'd be brilliant on a KTM as it would suit his front end style to the ground. I just find it ironic that everyone contributed his past success solely to his own brilliant ability and not the bike, but we're seeing now that he needs the right tools for the job just like any other rider. I've always said MM is great but only when the bike gives him the tools he needs, which is a rock solid front end he can abuse.

We did see the level being raised, why else was he playing mind games on Fabio when he rocked up? Acosta is inbound fast though and I really think he's shaping up to be the next generational talent.

Time will tell if MM can find a seat anywhere else other than Honda, Ducati don't want/need him, Yamaha are in a real spot and KTM are packed full of talent already. They'd have to possibly let Acosta go to make room for him. There's room at Aprilia eventually, Aleix is looking forward to time at home with his family and Maverick is still hit or miss, with Olivera sitting waiting at least one of those seats should go his way. Interesting times.



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[iYRe]

That's the same for all of us though isnt it? I've had lots of bikes some of which i bought because I wanted them, like the zx-14, but really struggled to make them work, but then hopped on other and they just seemed to suit me and how I ride. Not that I am a racer but it just generally on the road it applies doesnt it? Even more so when you're trying to make portions of seconds or fit it through a gap or something on a track.

That is my experience anyway. I reckon MM would find the Duc doesnt have enough "feeling" for him.

[Reckless]

I have no doubt he'd be brilliant on a KTM as it would suit his front end style to the ground. I just find it ironic that everyone contributed his past success solely to his own brilliant ability and not the bike, but we're seeing now that he needs the right tools for the job just like any other rider. I've always said MM is great but only when the bike gives him the tools he needs, which is a rock solid front end he can abuse.

We did see the level being raised, why else was he playing mind games on Fabio when he rocked up? Acosta is inbound fast though and I really think he's shaping up to be the next generational talent.

Time will tell if MM can find a seat anywhere else other than Honda, Ducati don't want/need him, Yamaha are in a real spot and KTM are packed full of talent already. They'd have to possibly let Acosta go to make room for him. There's room at Aprilia eventually, Aleix is looking forward to time at home with his family and Maverick is still hit or miss, with Olivera sitting waiting at least one of those seats should go his way. Interesting times.

I am aligned with your sum up Autech. The only rider wild card might be Morbidelli??

The interweb is getting stuck into MM but if the bike gives you nothing to tell you where the limit is how can you know.
Taka just said MM was doing nothing wrong, MM was at Taka speed not MM speed. Even Taka seems scared of the bloody thing.
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2023/06/18/i-was-behind-marc-and-he-did-nothing-wrong-nakagami/458281.
Let not forget that bike has broken all its riders this year, Taka had a big one yesterday as well and the Damn Honda near broke Zarco too.
In my small experience the engineers are really starting to be more accountable the more people the bike breaks.

MM to break his contract and give Honda the real middle finger.
Next year for MM I reckon Aprilia - they will dump MV, let MM ride with Aliex for a year, then bring in Olivera next to MM, with new talent into RNF alongside Raul (RNF always wanted to train new talent). Aprilia would see that as a pretty bloody good 2 year plan and get MM for a bargain.
Watch this space.

[Autech]

That's the same for all of us though isnt it? I've had lots of bikes some of which i bought because I wanted them, like the zx-14, but really struggled to make them work, but then hopped on other and they just seemed to suit me and how I ride. Not that I am a racer but it just generally on the road it applies doesnt it? Even more so when you're trying to make portions of seconds or fit it through a gap or something on a track.

That is my experience anyway. I reckon MM would find the Duc doesnt have enough "feeling" for him.

Exactly, but the way people have gone on about MM over the years it was like the Honda was already unrideable and he was doing things it shouldn't be able to do. Now we see its actually unridable and he's crashed out of every GP he's entered and even injured another rider in the process. That's my main concern really, he's going to seriously hurt another rider or himself again if he carry's on like this.


I am aligned with your sum up Autech. The only rider wild card might be Morbidelli??

The interweb is getting stuck into MM but if the bike gives you nothing to tell you where the limit is how can you know.
Taka just said MM was doing nothing wrong, MM was at Taka speed not MM speed. Even Taka seems scared of the bloody thing.
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2023/06/18/i-was-behind-marc-and-he-did-nothing-wrong-nakagami/458281.
Let not forget that bike has broken all its riders this year, Taka had a big one yesterday as well and the Damn Honda near broke Zarco too.
In my small experience the engineers are really starting to be more accountable the more people the bike breaks.

MM to break his contract and give Honda the real middle finger.
Next year for MM I reckon Aprilia - they will dump MV, let MM ride with Aliex for a year, then bring in Olivera next to MM, with new talent into RNF alongside Raul (RNF always wanted to train new talent). Aprilia would see that as a pretty bloody good 2 year plan and get MM for a bargain.
Watch this space.

Interesting take. Lets not forget the engineers are at the mercy of the feedback they are being given by the riders, Jack Miller has come out today saying that Honda fired all their engineers and replaced them with MM 's crew and that's why they're struggling. DP has also said some interesting things over the last few days, basically saying they put themselves there also but with a lot less swear words than Miller lol.

I honestly don't see Yamaha changing its rider lineup unless someone manages to lure Fabio over. Franco will at least land a spot in VR46 as he's more than proven he belongs in Motogp.

For MM Aprilia is indeed the easiest to slot into as they'll be able to make room but the KTM and red bull factor cannot be ignored. That would put MM back on a bike that Pedrosa has developed once again and has a great front end (the best actually looking at it). The only rider on the grid that rides like MM is Brad and you can see how devastating he is on that thing on a Sunday, if Miller could teach him to put in 1 lap he'd be winning a lot more.

Would KTM actually want MM though? Not with Pedro on their books I don't think...

The only move I def see coming at the end of the year is Digia being given the boot and one of the Moto2 boys grabbing it. Where it could get interesting is the likes of Zarco, he's good but he's been on a winning bike for how long and not made it happen? Ducati may want someone else in that Pramac seat.

[iYRe]

Exactly, but the way people have gone on about MM over the years it was like the Honda was already unrideable and he was doing things it shouldn't be able to do. Now we see its actually unridable and he's crashed out of every GP he's entered and even injured another rider in the process. That's my main concern really, he's going to seriously hurt another rider or himself again if he carry's on like this... Would KTM actually want MM though? Not with Pedro on their books I don't think...

Yeah I think even MM is concerned that he might hurt someone else or end his career.

The current argument seems to be - put him on a Duc - is it the Duc or is it MM? Same for any of the other manufacturers. Is the bike getting better or is it MM making it do things it shouldnt? If Aprilia won a championship, is it because the Aprilia was good, or because MM is an alien? If they dont is it because the Aprilia isnt all that good after all because MM should be able to do magic? That applies to everyone.

Even if he is really human, he can still do stuff others cant (see Rins/Mir/TN/etc) and that's always going to hang over his head.

[BMWST?]

He's been proclaimed by so many to be this amazing rider who could ride anything and win on anything. That's simply not the case. What we're seeing is the result of the level being raised and him not being able to match it, then him being fucking reckless because he can't. That's how he got injured in the first place, trying to push to dominate the likes of Quatararo.


Its a matter of degree. The bikes are all very close the margins are tiny. But the big changes in elctronics and aero have seen the bikes change a lot. Both Honda and Yamaha have suffered. It is related i think to the way the Japanese work ,they have not made the big steps forward with aero.MM has flattered the Honda. Fo years now he has been head and shooulders above the other Honda Riders. I reckon if he had a bike that was in the same ballpark as the duc/ktm/aprilia you would see him right at the top again.

[actungbaby]

yes spark sport said that content was going to tvnz but no specifics.I will see what thier coverage is like this weekend otherwise i might bite the bullet and get motogp .com. They will be having some reduced prices for the rest of the season
Do people watch motogp.com on google/android tv??Wife got new the newsky box.i kinda mention looked cool.few hundred times [emoji16]
Its got google tv and sky know
Spark sport.so was able cast.
Direct watch on main tv.
Which old as plasma .
Still on spark hope dutch tt.
Be avaible as closes end june.
I thought was going be on tv on demand or plus ?

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[actungbaby]

Close shave at the end of that session alright ... Zarcos bike getting cut in half from underneath him. Marquez then saying Zarco at fault for exiting pit lane without enough caution...I thought was his brother.was bit shicking see walk past without checking .lame

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[actungbaby]

I reckon he is either out, or gonna get out of his contract. I dont see how he can keep riding this way, and I cant see how he cant ride this way, if you catch my drift.
He clearly still wants to ride, but he's going to end up crippled, unless the bike gets fixed or he geta another ride.God its grim watching , one bike .but it yamaha too.
Even mick saying ktm be intresting .top guy at honda motor company in private meeting ( secret) [emoji4]
He have buy out his contract.well who ever signs him whould .but its 8 dukes
On grid all that data.

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[actungbaby]

Exactly, but the way people have gone on about MM over the years it was like the Honda was already unrideable and he was doing things it shouldn't be able to do. Now we see its actually unridable and he's crashed out of every GP he's entered and even injured another rider in the process. That's my main concern really, he's going to seriously hurt another rider or himself again if he carry's on like this.



Interesting take. Lets not forget the engineers are at the mercy of the feedback they are being given by the riders, Jack Miller has come out today saying that Honda fired all their engineers and replaced them with MM 's crew and that's why they're struggling. DP has also said some interesting things over the last few days, basically saying they put themselves there also but with a lot less swear words than Miller lol.

I honestly don't see Yamaha changing its rider lineup unless someone manages to lure Fabio over. Franco will at least land a spot in VR46 as he's more than proven he belongs in Motogp.

For MM Aprilia is indeed the easiest to slot into as they'll be able to make room but the KTM and red bull factor cannot be ignored. That would put MM back on a bike that Pedrosa has developed once again and has a great front end (the best actually looking at it). The only rider on the grid that rides like MM is Brad and you can see how devastating he is on that thing on a Sunday, if Miller could teach him to put in 1 lap he'd be winning a lot more.

Would KTM actually want MM though? Not with Pedro on their books I don't think...

The only move I def see coming at the end of the year is Digia being given the boot and one of the Moto2 boys grabbing it. Where it could get interesting is the likes of Zarco, he's good but he's been on a winning bike for how long and not made it happen? Ducati may want someone else in that Pramac seat.Yes they have the kalax chassis
Is one intresting area.but seems
Mm diesint want bike being good for team mates.
What honda do well u rekon.
Buy acosta .they done it before.
When rules change .there be no
Areo ride hieght .and acosta with honda.

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[Reckless]

Its not quite a Kalex chassis Simon interviewed one of the Honda team guys and he said it was made by Kalex to strict Honda specs.
Honda supplied all the parameters for the Manufacture.
Basically he was saying it was a Honda Chassis made by Kalex not a Kalex design as everyone is assuming.
We are all assuming they are trying Ideas from others but it appears they are not :brick:

Sooooo Maybe therein lies the issue??

[pritch]

How things have changed. When Gigi Dall'Igna went to Ducati the bike was a dog. If a rider criticised the bike, Ducati sent him to a psychologist.

A comparison was made to Honda. Unlike Ducati their engineers didn't take criticism of the bike as a personal insult. They were happy he had proved a direction to their work.

On that basis we can assume that the Honda engineers must be absolutely overjoyed at the moment. :whistle:

[Reckless]

How things have changed. When Gigi Dall'Igna went to Ducati the bike was a dog. If a rider criticised the bike, Ducati sent him to a psychologist.

A comparison was made to Honda. Unlike Ducati their engineers didn't take criticism of the bike as a personal insult. They were happy he had proved a direction to their work.

On that basis we can assume that the Honda engineers must be absolutely overjoyed at the moment. :whistle:

The Ducati riders talked about this after Pecco made a joke about team orders if Martin caught up in the championship at the post race conference.
Pecco stated he didn't want team orders because it undervalues the worth of being World Champ.
They also seemed to infer Ducati simply wouldn't allow it.
Ducati supply the bike, ALL information is shared between all riders, and its up to the rider to make the bike his own. Was the stated Ducati position.
If I hadn't just bought a new Kawasaki I'd have a look at a Ducati out of respect for this alone.
Its working in results and the Best bloody PR you can have :)

[F5 Dave]

Peco must have forgotten which button to push, amongst the many, that retards the ignition of any satellite bike 5* if GPS shows they are in front of him

[F5 Dave]

. . . .
But I didnt like his lack of empathy when he walked past Johan to get back to the pits after the prang.
Big issues there with the rider and the bike - watch this space

So we watched that prang with Zarco and thought Geez! One minute your hands are full, the next the front of the bike is cut off while you are spat, presumably still holding some alloy tubes.
What sort of dent must that put in Pramac budget? Sod all left of the bike I bet.

So. . . Maybe I didn't see it from enough angles. From MMs cockpit whilst piling north of 250 perhaps: all of a sudden Zarco appears out of pitlane exit. SHIT!!!. Anchors! Bang.

Did I imagine this wrong? Need to see aerial view of track to see if that is right. .if it was, don't they control pit exit like you would expect on any club day practice?

Also the put out those foam barriers to protect Zarco, top move. But we're they facing backwards? That could just be faulty memory.

[Grumph]

At the moment when they gave him the OK to leave pit lane, they probably didn't realise it was MM approaching. From what i've seen of the layout, the pit lane exit leads to the outside of the turn. Unless someone fucks it up completely a rider on a normal lap shouldn't come near the lane.

Current common sense says - give that bastard room to crash on his own. If I was CoC at a GP, there'd be a warning to marshals to keep other riders away from him.

[husaberg]

So we watched that prang with Zarco and thought Geez! One minute your hands are full, the next the front of the bike is cut off while you are spat, presumably still holding some alloy tubes.
What sort of dent must that put in Pramac budget? Sod all left of the bike I bet.

So. . . Maybe I didn't see it from enough angles. From MMs cockpit whilst piling north of 250 perhaps: all of a sudden Zarco appears out of pitlane exit. SHIT!!!. Anchors! Bang.

Did I imagine this wrong? Need to see aerial view of track to see if that is right. .if it was, don't they control pit exit like you would expect on any club day practice?

Also the put out those foam barriers to protect Zarco, top move. But we're they facing backwards? That could just be faulty memory.

not the same incident but same corner and near the same incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHDMIp6Mqh8

[F5 Dave]

I searched and couldn't really see the exit and then got bored looking.

I'm just thinking if there was a large closing speed and you see someone appear from the left and get your spider sense that they may do something stupid like drift out into the racing line you might grab the front brake too hard, even MM must get the hebyjebies sometimes.
Ahh, who knows. Bet Zarco won't do that again.

[Grumph]

I'd be prepared to bet on either Marquez doing it again.

[onearmedbandit]

MV almost took out Alex Marquez with a similar crash, no one seems to be giving a hard time about it. Talking to the Moto2 rider in our discord group, he said that all the riders are aware of the danger of pit exit as losing the front is a common crash at that area.

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Simon talking about Pecco putting himself in the danger area.

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[F5 Dave]

Huh, thanks for posting. It's always hard as pits are usually on the outside of a track unlike Philip Island where they have an underbridge.

I'd say the onus is on the chap pulling out, from that perspective I don't think that was MMs fault at all. Thanks for posting that view.

[Reckless]

Acosta Def going to MotoGP = WHERE???

My bet = KTM on Pol's bike with Gas Gas.

Your Guess =

[onearmedbandit]

It's a question causing a lot of debate online. From what I understand there's only one KTM rider in MotoGP whose contract is up for renewal at the end of this year, Augusto. Pol has a strong relationship with KTM, he'd be hard done by if he got the boot especially with a year left on his contract. Of course there's mutterings about Acosta joining HRC too.

[actungbaby]

Its not quite a Kalex chassis Simon interviewed one of the Honda team guys and he said it was made by Kalex to strict Honda specs.
Honda supplied all the parameters for the Manufacture.
Basically he was saying it was a Honda Chassis made by Kalex not a Kalex design as everyone is assuming.
We are all assuming they are trying Ideas from others but it appears they are not :brick:

Sooooo Maybe therein lies the issue??Thanks for cool info .well guess makes sence protypes are secret .so dimesions be hidden.
But whats the point of that.

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[actungbaby]

It's a question causing a lot of debate online. From what I understand there's only one KTM rider in MotoGP whose contract is up for renewal at the end of this year, Augusto. Pol has a strong relationship with KTM, he'd be hard done by if he got the boot especially with a year left on his contract. Of course there's mutterings about Acosta joining HRC too.Of course hrc need new rider.
Anyone cant see that well.
Oh spark sport doing freebies
On site so just make up account. Well proberly dont have too .go take a look .free practice one and two.

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[onearmedbandit]

Of course hrc need new rider.
Anyone cant see that well.


Yup there are rumours that both Mir and Rins are possibly not going to return on Honda's next year so they may just need a new rider.

[actungbaby]

Yup there are rumours that both Mir and Rins are possibly not going to return on Honda's next year so they may just need a new rider.You whould not blame either whould you .free motogp race of germany on spark sport.

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[onearmedbandit]

VR46 Academy lock out of the front row in qualifying, gotta make the old boy happy.

[mulletman]

Marco is having an awesome TT be hard to see anyone beating him in the main race to.

Sucks for Brad Binder !

Bigger suck for MM...

[onearmedbandit]

Quite an interesting statement. He could just be stating facts or maybe intention.

[actungbaby]

Quite an interesting statement. He could just be stating facts or maybe intention.Yes he as good as gone .
I feel good thing for both .
Hrc and mm

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[iYRe]

In the Sprint MM went for the soft front - the only person from what I understand. The commentators said it was because he has lost confidence and is making bad choices. I think he was just trying to make the front stick to the track so he didnt fall off. heh.

Double bummer for Binder.

[Autech]

Well those 2 races about sums up the state of motogp right now. Furious 2-3 laps when everyone's bunched up followed by the rest of the race as at single file as they can't overtake. This at a real riders race track reknowned for its layout causing massive battles. Meanwhile half the field is injured as they're being forced to take more and more risks to battle the 8 Ducatis who are sharing so much data every weekend that only one of them is slow.

Unless Michelin can bring that new front tyre next year it's not looking very promising unfortunately.

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[sugilite]

Remember the days when michilin would make overnight tyres for their elite riders?
Now it is like, maybe we bring a new tyre next year. WTF :facepalm:

[BMWST?]

At the moment when they gave him the OK to leave pit lane, they probably didn't realise it was MM approaching. From what i've seen of the layout, the pit lane exit leads to the outside of the turn. Unless someone fucks it up completely a rider on a normal lap shouldn't come near the lane.

Current common sense says - give that bastard room to crash on his own. If I was CoC at a GP, there'd be a warning to marshals to keep other riders away from him.
i thought it was common knowlwdge that the outside of a turn is NOT a good place to be at any time a vehicle is approaching regardless of who the pilot is

[Grumph]

i thought it was common knowlwdge that the outside of a turn is NOT a good place to be at any time a vehicle is approaching regardless of who the pilot is

1/ I didn't do the approval for that layout - it's a nasty bastard of a pit exit. But with the demand for more pit space there's literally nowhere else to put it.

2/ i have no idea, nor has it been reported if there is a light or marshal releasing riders at that point.

3/ You're dealing with professional riders. You'd hope the standard was better than a NZ club day.

4/ i stand by what I said - A rider on the normal line for that corner should not come close to the pit lane exit. Braking is well over and you've turned in at or before the end of the pit wall.

[BMWST?]

1/ I didn't do the approval for that layout - it's a nasty bastard of a pit exit. But with the demand for more pit space there's literally nowhere else to put it.

2/ i have no idea, nor has it been reported if there is a light or marshal releasing riders at that point.

3/ You're dealing with professional riders. You'd hope the standard was better than a NZ club day.

4/ i stand by what I said - A rider on the normal line for that corner should not come close to the pit lane exit. Braking is well over and you've turned in at or before the end of the pit wall.
all acceptable points. But i stand by my point too. Would you stand there to watch the race if you were "allowed" to

[Reckless]

The sprint good to see Bez taking one :) Quite an endearing likable character coming to the fore there :)

Sunday another master class by Pecco.
Some would say boring but they don't know how hard it is to achieve that after being all at sea on Friday.

Aleix can still hold his own damn good race 10/10

Binder oh dear :shutup: Miller double oh dear, Zarco unlucky, Maverick gonna get the sack.

MM
He must be really broken for Honda/Puig to be publicly opening the door for him to break his contract and leave next year.
I'm torn between thinking the Honda has broken him, or with his riding style, this is always how it might end?
To many crashes, broken body, broken mind, age kicking in :scooter:
I do feel for him great talent, 8 x world champ, be a hater or a lover of MM, it's quite sad to watch.

5 weeks off might be able to catch up with Moto 2 etc.

[Grumph]

all acceptable points. But i stand by my point too. Would you stand there to watch the race if you were "allowed" to

I'm wasting my time replying. You're talking to someone who as a CoC has stopped a meeting and moved spectators.

The blend zone is past the corner apex. Someone has decided that the exposure window is small enough to be acceptable.

Take it up with the FIM.

[onearmedbandit]

There has been a bit of talk about this over the past week or so, and now it seems the wheels might be turning.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1030042/1/motogp-update-concessions-rule-help-honda-and-yamaha

[F5 Dave]

Give them an extra 100cc and the ability to buy front tyres from the local bike shop:cool:.

[Reckless]

There has been a bit of talk about this over the past week or so, and now it seems the wheels might be turning.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1030042/1/motogp-update-concessions-rule-help-honda-and-yamaha

It was introduced for new teams to get them up to speed. Should it be used for the biggest money team on the grid??
Not so sure?

[F5 Dave]

I think it's a good idea but needs to be clearly monitored and reversible.

It would be a hollow sport if all Jap factories dropped out.

On the other hand if you just even up the players continuously Dueclattery might say screw you all we've overspent as it is to have that wiped out. We're back off to Supers.

Not that I have sympathy for honda who pushed for this dumb 4 stroke thing anyway.

[BMWST?]

the threat of not having Honda and Yamaha is real. You think they want to spend millions for no benefit? Its not about money per se. I honestly think that Honda and Yamaha dont actually know how to get themselves out of the situation they now find themselves in, within an acceptable time frame. They probably wont be able to attract the rider talent they need to progress.
An exapmple of that is Yamaha now have more horsepower but the bike is less rideable...whoever thought that would happen?

[F5 Dave]

the threat of not having Honda and Yamaha is real. You think they want to spend millions for no benefit? Its not about money per se. I honestly think that Honda and Yamaha dont actually know how to get themselves out of the situation they now find themselves in, within an acceptable time frame. They probably wont be able to attract the rider talent they need to progress.
An exapmple of that is Yamaha now have more horsepower but the bike is less rideable...whoever thought that would happen?

Ummm. I'd take a bet: Jeremy Burgess. Would be a good pub conversation if you popped into his local.

[sugilite]

Then there is the Japanese culture side to take account of as well. For the Japanese a loss of face is absolutely horrific in their culture. Thus it's likely going to come down to which is more palatable for them - to take a hit on the loss of face and say yes we need help or turn around and say MotoGP is no longer as relevant to our market and we are out.
I'm hoping that it would be the former but unfortunately I think it's going to be the latter, certainly in Yamahas case.

[BMWST?]

there is a good read on motomatters about this and concessions

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2023/06/29/concessions_for_honda_and_yamaha_can.html

[F5 Dave]

I've considered Mat Oxley the gold standard for Written motogp info. Just started rereading his Stealing Speed book this morning, go buy it.

But that's a very good article. That's Seans brother isn't it ex fast bikes? Silly magazine but if so he's matured well.

[Autech]

It was introduced for new teams to get them up to speed. Should it be used for the biggest money team on the grid??
Not so sure?


the threat of not having Honda and Yamaha is real. You think they want to spend millions for no benefit? Its not about money per se. I honestly think that Honda and Yamaha dont actually know how to get themselves out of the situation they now find themselves in, within an acceptable time frame. They probably wont be able to attract the rider talent they need to progress.
An exapmple of that is Yamaha now have more horsepower but the bike is less rideable...whoever thought that would happen?

Let us not forget that Michelin are apparently (finally) introducing a new front slick next year. This could immediately upset the balance or work in favour of certain bikes like the Honda/Yamaha.

BUT

Here's the big but.

One constructor has 8 FUCKING BIKES on the grid, so any technical changes they will be able to ride out much easier than, say Yamaha, who have 2. Or Honda, who have 1 as it keeps chucking them at the sky. Ducati can punch in 8 different set ups to the bikes and then let the computers analyse what works and what doesn't work best, then dial it in from there. Especially as they have these silly sprint races cutting down on track time...

[BMWST?]

Let us not forget that Michelin are apparently (finally) introducing a new front slick next year. This could immediately upset the balance or work in favour of certain bikes like the Honda/Yamaha.

BUT

Here's the big but.

One constructor has 8 FUCKING BIKES on the grid, so any technical changes they will be able to ride out much easier than, say Yamaha, who have 2. Or Honda, who have 1 as it keeps chucking them at the sky. Ducati can punch in 8 different set ups to the bikes and then let the computers analyse what works and what doesn't work best, then dial it in from there. Especially as they have these silly sprint races cutting down on track time...
yeah i am not sure that the sprint races will benefit motogp in the long run. There is too much risk for the riders,and we are already seeing the results in injuries/incidents

[sugilite]

Just a little something to remind us these guys are absolutely freaking gods! Bit disappointed by the last one, I mean at the very least he could of pulled off a one handed whipped cross up ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFlQJlDz2KU

(official dorna video, so cannot embed sorry)

[merv]

It seems to me that when Honda and Yamaha were doing all the winning, Dorna did everything in their power to knobble them. Spec ECU and software and it had to be the one Ducati just happened to use, and change to Michelin tyres and it seemed every time some factories were getting their bikes sorted, lo and behold along came another tyre construction that knobbled some bikes again. Dorna to me have achieved their aim, but then they should have been careful what they wished for because as the pendulum got swinging of course it went too far.

[george formby]

Just a little something to remind us these guys are absolutely freaking gods! Bit disappointed by the last one, I mean at the very least he could of pulled off a one handed whipped cross up ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFlQJlDz2KU

(official dorna video, so cannot embed sorry)

Can't remember if it was Moto 2 or 3, I was a few beers in, but someone had a helluva save at Assen. I think it was Moto 3, manic race.

[Reckless]

Here's the big but.

One constructor has 8 FUCKING BIKES on the grid, so any technical changes they will be able to ride out much easier than, say Yamaha, who have 2. Or Honda, who have 1 as it keeps chucking them at the sky. Ducati can punch in 8 different set ups to the bikes and then let the computers analyse what works and what doesn't work best, then dial it in from there. Especially as they have these silly sprint races cutting down on track time...

I think the thing about this is not so much the eight bikes (ALTHOUGH THATS HUGE) but Ducati rule that the data must be freely shared to all riders, then it's up to the riders to make the most of the info and the bike. We have never seen this in MotoGP even within factory teams.
Ducati have commanded a lot of respect in my head with their attitude to team orders and this philosophy, pity I am 2 old for another sport road bike.

Wow my mouth dropped open when I read this: Fuck me dead making bits trackside!!
Contrast that with KTM. The Austrian factory has a 3D metal printer which they take to the track. If the engineering team believe that a particular part needs adjusting, they can make that change in a CAD model, and print the part ready to be tried the next morning.

Might be time to dump the wings and aero etc I reckon. That would take away the "out clause" suggested that the sport is no longer relevant to the market. And tyres would be more relevant to road bikes.
Not much flipping good at 80k in NZ LMAO (Prob few tracks either with their size here).

Great article cheers :)
Also some very interesting responses in the Q&A under. Some very good points brought up by the readers.
this
Concessions? Really? It was only half a season ago that Yamaha were still the reigning Motogp champions and lead most of last season’s championship.
Before the previous round Fabio was also in front of all the Aprilia’s, with Aleix only overtaking him after a DNF at Assen (again).
Rin’s win at COTA (Fabio/Yamaha on the podium too) and at the time we were calling it a walk-up win for Marc if he’d been able to race, Marc’s pole at Portugal….
Really, how do you go from that….to talking about concessions in the space of a few races? I mean, even if they’d been been given concessions at the start of the season, wouldn’t Rin’s win have rendered them null and void?
and this might have a point to
Let’s be clear. This discussion is all about MM. ONLY happening because Dorna’s star MM can’t finish a race. HRC involved only because MM rides a Honda. If MM were on the podium, Honda were literally killing its other riders, and Yamaha were no where, Dorna wouldn’t be doing a thing. MM moves to another bike it will be dropped
It just seems like extraordinarily preferential treatment. Marquez and Quartararo were seen as genuine championship contenders by many leading in to the season…..a half a season later they are being gifted a helping hand? Why not Aprilia? They have been equally invisible. Sorry, it just seems like all teams are treated equally but some are more equal than others.

[roogazza]

Finally caught up with Motogp Sunday...... Nice to see moto3 man Masia get a win on the Honda.
Quite like Assen . Found myself fast forwarding in some of the races.

Donnington and WSB, I had copied from Sun and Mon was good racing. Midget Bautista and the Doocati seem to have everything under control ? I recall when I first started going to GP's Bautista was great in 250 GP's.
Yamaha of Razzi and Kawa of Rea fighting out for 2nd and 3rd.....:niceone:

[BMWST?]

Finally caught up with Motogp Sunday...... Nice to see moto3 man Masia get a win on the Honda.
Quite like Assen . Found myself fast forwarding in some of the races.

Donnington and WSB, I had copied from Sun and Mon was good racing. Midget Bautista and the Doocati seem to have everything under control ? I recall when I first started going to GP's Bautista was great in 250 GP's.
Yamaha of Razzi and Kawa of Rea fighting out for 2nd and 3rd.....:niceone:
Bautista was pretty fast in Motogp too bit inconsistent though,mind you it was on a Honda.Didnt he also do a australian moto gp on a ducati and was pretty quick?

[iYRe]

It was introduced for new teams to get them up to speed. Should it be used for the biggest money team on the grid??
Not so sure?
Honda was quite happy to let Ducati have concessions when they were winning, so I dont think it is an issue.

Also, Bradl thinks Honda can fix it:
Honda test rider Bradl thinks its troubled MotoGP bike "can be fixed" (autosport.com) (https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/honda-test-rider-bradl-thinks-its-troubled-motogp-bike-can-be-fixed/10491399/)


Asked at Assen what he thought of Marquez’s Germany crashes, Bradl noted: “I thought a lot of respect because he’s still giving his 100%, even more.

“And he’s trying, even though he realises that the bike and the tools he has is not ready for that level. But he’s trying.”

[jato]

A good interview with a rider - seems to be very open about riding the modern bikes. https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/motogp-bikes-arent-easier-to-ride-now-theyre-harder-to-ride/ Having read that , the spectacle of the race is a little diminished for me - its like there is only room for a steady disciplined ride these days totally unlike what we saw years ago

[Grumph]

If you try something and the acquired data shows it's faster, you use it. To a certain extent it's a vicious circle which in theory should lead to all the bikes in the class being damm near equal. If someone else's aero is better you copy it till you are as fast or faster than them.
But I agree with Folger, they will no longer ride like conventional motorcycles.
Whether this is good for the sport I doubt. I'd also doubt if it has any relevance to road motorcycles.

That interview also raises questions as to whether the existing path to MotoGP is still valid. If the top bikes are so different, where do the riders get the training ?
Are we going to see the F1 style simulators used to train on ? Building a sim to replicate current bike inputs has to be cheaper than wasting a season or two training a rider at GP's.

[SaferRides]

Videopass is free over the MotoGP summer break until 5 August. Perfect if you want to catch up on anything until the TVNZ coverage starts.

Just remember to cancel the auto renewal!

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[Reckless]

A good interview with a rider - seems to be very open about riding the modern bikes. https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/motogp-bikes-arent-easier-to-ride-now-theyre-harder-to-ride/ Having read that , the spectacle of the race is a little diminished for me - its like there is only room for a steady disciplined ride these days totally unlike what we saw years ago

I agree I was saddened to read that. As riders we always think " if only we had the talent, could I, maybe, naaa dreamer???"
To read the bikes are now not like real bikes in any way is a little disappointing TBH.
I don't like the Idea they are following F1 down the prototype you would never see on a road.
And reading that not sure they are to far down the track that they can ever go back to a relativeness to a real bike?

I love watching MotoGP its like a religion but life only gives me enough time for one class to follow because I choose to be working on them or riding them.
Maybe I have to change religion to WSBK??? :brick:

Great article thanks for posting but not sure I wanted to read the damn thing LMAO :weep:

[sugilite]

Vinales keeping it classy.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1030746/1/maverick-vinales-time-showing-why-i-left-yamaha

[F5 Dave]

Hey. You'll upset fanboi James. :nono:

[mulletman]

Vinales keeping it classy.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1030746/1/maverick-vinales-time-showing-why-i-left-yamaha


Part way down in that article Suzi gift to Aleix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZXlibuJpS8

[F5 Dave]

It's all Greek to me. :mellow:

[roogazza]

Sad to read, a lot of Motogp riders out with injuries at the mo.

The extra risk with the Sprint races can't help ? (Dorna trying to increase crowds ?) My Italian mate said the crowds had increased at Mugello to 70 odd Thousand this year which had come back from 40 thou the year before.
But still way off the 100 to 120 thou of the previous years...

New Tyres coming I hope and maybe some parity for teams struggling.
I read this morning that Rossi's final decision to retire was when he found out he was to be a dad !
Great years ,I miss them.

[sugilite]

Part way down in that article Suzi gift to Aleix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZXlibuJpS8

How amazing would that be eh, here have your very own Motogp bike! :banana:

[mulletman]

How amazing would that be eh, here have your very own Motogp bike! :banana:

Aprilia gave him one as well ;)

Jump to 9.22 im not sure if he bought that but the next one is special.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUVqVxBD7Js

[SaferRides]

Sad to read, a lot of Motogp riders out with injuries at the mo.

The extra risk with the Sprint races can't help ? (Dorna trying to increase crowds ?) My Italian mate said the crowds had increased at Mugello to 70 odd Thousand this year which had come back from 40 thou the year before.
But still way off the 100 to 120 thou of the previous years...

New Tyres coming I hope and maybe some parity for teams struggling.
I read this morning that Rossi's final decision to retire was when he found out he was to be a dad !
Great years ,I miss them.Dorna has allowed the racing to become more dangerous by their lack of action over aero and lowering devices, then probably doubled the risks with the sprint race.

Then there's the delayed introduction of the new front tyre designed to handle the increased downforce without overheating.

I hope it doesn't get worse.

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[pritch]

Dorna has allowed the racing to become more dangerous by their lack of action over aero and lowering devices, then probably doubled the risks with the sprint race.



That and more GPs this year - if there's anyone left standing at the end of the season.

[Autech]

Its fucked

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[jato]

Must be time we had some racing soon ... meanwhile more ktm's on the grid next year? https://www.gpone.com/en/2023/07/20/motogp/pierer-certain-that-ktm-will-have-a-third-motogp-team-in-2024.html?

[onearmedbandit]

This has been on the cards for a while.

Franco is off from Yamaha.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1032640/1/official-franco-morbidelli-leave-monster-yamaha

And Rins to take his place.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1032646/1/official-alex-rins-signs-yamaha-motogp-2024

[jato]

Casey is sad he missed the 500 era https://the-race.com/motogp/this-is-real-stoners-500cc-run-underlines-his-motogp-point/
i'm sad they're gone too... https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/lawson-rainey-and-doohan-giants-their-era/

[iYRe]

This is on facebook, but its the last lap at Catalan, Rossi v Lorenzo


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3102143633177599

[Reckless]

In reading the above and a few other bits on my news feed not sure why Dorna don't open up to a couple more satellite teams for Yamaha and KTM.
If they want to spend the money and there are good riders coming through like Acosta why not?

We are Racing this weekend :Punk:

[onearmedbandit]

In reading the above and a few other bits on my news feed not sure why Dorna don't open up to a couple more satellite teams for Yamaha and KTM.
If they want to spend the money and there are good riders coming through like Acosta why not?

We are Racing this weekend :Punk:

Dorna have actually stated they want only a max of 20 bikes on the grid, down from the 22 we have currently. So we won't see anytime soon an increase in grid spots.

[BMWST?]

i think the number of bikes on the grid is chosen for logistics.Having to move 20 bikes and 20 teams around the world must be a nightmare.And that is Dorna's cost i think

[onearmedbandit]

What a lap from The Captain in P2...damn

[pritch]

i think the number of bikes on the grid is chosen for logistics.Having to move 20 bikes and 20 teams around the world must be a nightmare.And that is Dorna's cost i think

Twenty bikes and teams? And Moto 2 and Moto 3 teams and all the team trucks. I believe they charter those huge Russian Antonov cargo planes but even so, there must be a feet of them.

[Grumph]

With the cap on numbers it's even more like F1. Andretti/GM can't get a place in F1 which is ridiculous.
A few years back the transport costs were why the sidecars ran only in Europe when they were part of the GP's. Except for one visit to Laguna Seca.

It's a far cry from the days when riders used their own transport to get themselves and bikes between GP's - but is it neccessarily better ?

[BMWST?]

Twenty bikes and teams? And Moto 2 and Moto 3 teams and all the team trucks. I believe they charter those huge Russian Antonov cargo planes but even so, there must be a feet of them.
yes you are quite right!

[jato]

Fabio a bit over 7 seconds off the pace in a very wet Q1 - starts from last place this weekend ... unbelievable . has his engine got abrupt power delivery or something.

[roogazza]

Sprint race in mixed conditions ! (so they called it !).

Thats wets on drying track,bit of a lollie scamble. (won't post results in case some havn't seen )

But :zzzz::yawn:

Silverstone, England !!! Hoping for dry, for a GP .

[pritch]

It's a far cry from the days when riders used their own transport to get themselves and bikes between GP's - but is it neccessarily better ?

Back then it was called a World Championship when in reality it was only a European Championship. That used to irk me.

The tracks were amazing but several riders would be killed each year. it would take many more cameras to cover racing on tracks like those, then there's the lack of run off.

In the 500 class you often knew who would win the title before the first race. That doesn't apply in any category currently.

How long motor racing in any of its forms can continue is anybody's guess. 'Squandering of the earths resources" and climate change may create pressure to be socially responsible.

Yesterday at Silverstone there was a meet the riders event. People queued in pissing rain for forty minutes or more, then the riders declined to leave their nice warm accommodations. That won't help.

On balance I think it's better now, but how long it can be sustained is the question.

[iYRe]

30 seconds behind the winner.. several multi GP champions. Marquez's at opposite ends to normal.. sheesh, the whole world is upside down. Flippin awesome riders by a few riders though.. not the least Mr Vinales.

[roogazza]

Yesterday at Silverstone there was a meet the riders event. People queued in pissing rain for forty minutes or more, then the riders declined to leave their nice warm accommodations. That won't help.


At least it was dry for a bit ,for the GP...... towards the end it started to get damp again .
No wonder I 've never been to a GP in England, have a dislike for wet races.

World Champ used his head for a safe second. Skipped thru it on the computer, ho hum ! :yawn:
Masia biffed it in moto3 .

[sugilite]

I really enjoyed that one, Congrats to Aleix, he deserved that one for sure.
About halfway, I thought it was going to get boring, but that was sure wrong! Silverstone is a good track for the Aprillias that is for sure. Even middling gun mav was on the pace.
At his point, anyone betting a repsol honda would not make it to the checkers of a full motogp race would be a very wealthy punter about now - unbelievable. :shit:

[Reckless]

Great Track love it :)
Sprint was good. Main Race even better, was on the edge of my seat for most of it thanks to the English weather. The top few all stayed on :niceone:

Bloody hell first Jap bike 14th. Yamaha 14-15th. Honda 16th -17th.
If MM doesnt get an offer on another bike, I think 2024 might be his last year, he is scared stiff of that Honda :devil2:
It just doesn't seem like him at all. Ya think MM might pull the pin?

[iYRe]

MM said in an interview today that he just wanted to circulate and feel the bike out, and if he didnt feel it he wasnt going to try anything - he was on softs apparently so that affected him.

This from the dude who puts everything on the line to win - to the point of insanity.
I feel it deserves a bit of respect, a lot of self control - maybe old age is catching up heh.

[Reckless]

he just wanted to circulate and feel the bike out.

I accept what you say on the mental strength to change his attitude to falling off but is this fear? Has he hit a wall. And possibly a wall he was always going to hit with his approach to racing. When has any MotoGP rider circulated in a race, even Pol is still racing. I am not anty MM I hope he finds a way, Possibly the only one who doesn't is Rossi :rolleyes:

This is interesting Zarco - Honda
https://the-race.com/motogp/zarco-would-be-proud-to-help-turn-honda-around-amid-lcr-offer/

[iYRe]

I accept what you say on the mental strength to change his attitude to falling off but is this fear? Has he hit a wall. And possibly a wall he was always going to hit with his approach to racing. When has any MotoGP rider circulated in a race, even Pol is still racing. I am not anty MM I hope he finds a way, Possibly the only one who doesn't is Rossi :rolleyes:

This is interesting Zarco - Honda
https://the-race.com/motogp/zarco-would-be-proud-to-help-turn-honda-around-amid-lcr-offer/

I feel like its not falling off that is the issue, but why fall off when you have 0 chance of even the top 10?

[Warr]

Moto2 Carnage at the end of start straight.
Was there any sanctions handed down to the back in the field rider who ended up in the grass on righthand side of the start straight & subsequently took out a number of riders as he skidded across the track ?

[pritch]

MM said in an interview today that he just wanted to circulate and feel the bike out,

Marquez has enough money that he doesn't need to unnecessarily risk a life changing injury. His father reminds him of this apparently.

[onearmedbandit]

Marquez has enough money that he doesn't need to unnecessarily risk a life changing injury. His father reminds him of this apparently.

Grandfather. He said you have made more money then you'll ever need, please retire if you have another big crash.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1010545/1/marc-marquez-my-grandfather-told-me-leave-now-it-s-enough

[iYRe]

Marquez has enough money that he doesn't need to unnecessarily risk a life changing injury. His father reminds him of this apparently.

Yeah, but I think these guys are driven by something other than the money, although, at this level the money does have to reflect the danger. Keith Heuwen or how ever you spell that, said that he is still in huge amounts of pain from his crashes. I imagine most of them are, so you'd want a stack of cash to pay for the painkillers :P

[Warr]

Moto2 Carnage at the end of start straight.
Was there any sanctions handed down to the back in the field rider who ended up in the grass on righthand side of the start straight & subsequently took out a number of riders as he skidded across the track ?
The only thing mentioned thus far is ....
'The lap one pile up at Abbey was due to be reviewed after the race. That saw Borja Gomez and Rory Skinner fighting for the same space, with Gomez taking a trip over the grass to rejoin the group and collect backmarkers Dennis Foggia and Taiga Hada.'

[pritch]

Yeah, but I think these guys are driven by something other than the money,

It's not unknown for a successful racer with a healthy bank balance and a supermodel wife to realise that he has a lot to lose and to start being just a bit careful - and just a bit slower.

Marquez must be getting frustrated with the bike.

[onearmedbandit]

Rossi said only a short while ago that his decision was made when he knew he was going to be a father.

[iYRe]

Marquez must be getting frustrated with the bike.

Massively - leading to much clickbait youtube videos :/

[onearmedbandit]

It looks like Marc has made it clear he will return the respect to Honda that they showed him.

[Reckless]

Nobody else is going to pay him 14mil Euros a year thats for sure. That would be the MM haters view. :devil2:

Respect to him for returning the good grace they showed him. Bloody hard situation for him.
Did the bike break him or did his style break him or both.
Have we ever seen someone so lost to just ride around? Its hard to watch TBH

I bet he'd love to a go on another bike like Alex M

Good luck to him I hope they find something between MM and Honda. I'd hate to see him walk away next year under this cloud.

[Reckless]

Interesting Article

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/how-to-fix-motogp-and-world-superbike/

[jato]

watched the sprint race earlier today - Its so frustrating to see Maverick duff up his start every f....g time... (what did paris do to him?) and nearly as much to see Jack smoke off the line to almost immediately start fading and hold up the rest of the field.
I see the official mgp video site has been re-jigged - does anyone know how to find the evening schedule - it seems to be available only when watching live...

[jato]

6 years ago but https://www.visordown.com/news/racing/motogp/maverick-vinales-paris-hilton-motogp-leader

[Reckless]

watched the sprint race earlier today - Its so frustrating to see Maverick duff up his start every f....g time... (what did paris do to him?) and nearly as much to see Jack smoke off the line to almost immediately start fading and hold up the rest of the field.
I see the official mgp video site has been re-jigged - does anyone know how to find the evening schedule - it seems to be available only when watching live...

Couldnt find a schedule on the computer app but here screen grab off the phone app

Our time

So soccer final at 11pm on Prime then MotoGP at mid night

353614


Simons GOPRO lap
Note the older style and one finger braking :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdXxjdSfsQk

Enjoy

[jato]

Cheers reckless - might watch it live as this morning i went to "videos" looking for the sprint race and there was a headline telling me about the pile up ...

[Reckless]

Cheers reckless - might watch it live as this morning i went to "videos" looking for the sprint race and there was a headline telling me about the pile up ...

Happened to me too :(
Video pass is supposed to be "No spoiler" so I click in to watch Practice for Qually and see a headline Bez broke the lap record.
Thats not "no spoiler" FFS.

[BMWST?]

watched the sprint race earlier today - Its so frustrating to see Maverick duff up his start every f....g time... (what did paris do to him?) and nearly as much to see Jack smoke off the line to almost immediately start fading and hold up the rest of the field.
I see the official mgp video site has been re-jigged - does anyone know how to find the evening schedule - it seems to be available only when watching live...
the only place i have found a schedule is under the calendar tab

[pritch]

Happened to me too :(
Video pass is supposed to be "No spoiler" so I click in to watch Practice for Qually and see a headline Bez broke the lap record.
Thats not "no spoiler" FFS.

The 'no spoiler' option is still there. Unfortunately I'm having troubles accessing the new website. The instruction is to delete their existing cookies. I did that but it's still a problem. I don't want to delete all cookies as that could result in more password problems.

[roogazza]

The 'no spoiler' option is still there. Unfortunately I'm having troubles accessing the new website. The instruction is to delete their existing cookies. I did that but it's still a problem. I don't want to delete all cookies as that could result in more password problems.

TVNZ + pritch, streaming is new to me, but it seems pretty good and it's free !!!!!

Free is good for me, as my interest is waning with Motogp !!!! (and I've been a fan for years !!!).

[iYRe]

TVNZ + pritch, streaming is new to me, but it seems pretty good and it's free !!!!!

Free is good for me, as my interest is waning with Motogp !!!! (and I've been a fan for years !!!).

Yeah TVNZ+ is good.. you can watch it at your leisure and its free.

[BMWST?]

Yeah TVNZ+ is good.. you can watch it at your leisure and its free.
you gotta be quick tho the streams are gone within a couple of days

[pritch]

TVNZ + pritch, streaming is new to me, but it seems pretty good and it's free !!!!!

Free is good for me, as my interest is waning with Motogp !!!! (and I've been a fan for years !!!).

Yeah I used TVNZ+. That was plan B, and it came with women's cricket as a bonus. :whistle:

[Reckless]

What Bike tho did Rossi wangle more factory bits????


Marco Bezzecchi will race with the Mooney VR46 Racing Team in 2024 on a Ducati Desmosedici GP. The rider from Rimini, currently third in the overall standings with 183 points, and author of two wins and three podiums (four podiums in the Sprint) in the current season, will be a rider of the Tavullia Team for the fifth consecutive year (debut in Moto2™ in 2020).
Marco Bezzecchi: “I am really happy to confirm that in 2024 I will be on track with the Mooney VR46 Racing Team. This Team has been crucial to my career until now and into the future. I arrived here in 2020, in Moto2, we then landed together in 2022 in MotoGP and this year we had an incredible season so far. Continuing to grow in this working group, with the support of Ducati, is the most natural choice for me.

[roogazza]

CATALUNYA !!!!! first went there in 05, who can forget that last lap in 09 with Rossi and Lorenzo and then that last brilliant move again on the final bend by Rossi to take the win?? :msn-wink::msn-wink:

I be doing TVNZ + Streaming either live or recorded......

ps and then just a week later to get WSB and another Motogp !!!!! :rolleyes: :laugh:

[jato]

Yeeha! mav's back ...well he didn't muff the start and got stuck in putting on a pretty impressive ride. as for our boy from dannevirke (his mum n dad anyway) he needs to seriously sort it or i can see his career ending up back in Townsville with the cows...

[onearmedbandit]

Great race! MV was lucky that Martin didn't end his race early. A great battle towards the end between him and Pecco. And it looks like the 'one more lap' helmet paid off for my man AE!!

[pritch]

The new website has been a pain in the arse. After deleting the cookies yet again, I came to the conclusion that Dorna won't accept the auto-generated passwords so I made up a vastly inferior one - and it worked. Ah well!

[onearmedbandit]

Well that was a first lap to forget, Pecco was incredibly lucky there. Great result for Aprilia, and some consolation for AE after last year!

[sugilite]

Wow, that first lap was carnage alright. Divine spirit is looking after Peco!
I pretty much knew with peco out Aleix would have it in the bag. Good to see mav have his one or so good performance this season.

I saw this article with a quote from Aprillia, thought it was dumb as I doubt either of their current riders would win a championship - put either MM or Fabio on a Aprillia and they would be in with a very serious chance of winning a championship.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1035197/1/aprilia-if-marquez-or-quartararo-are-free-we-don-t-particularly-need-them

[roogazza]

I saw this article with a quote from Aprillia, thought it was dumb as I doubt either of their current riders would win a championship - put either MM or Fabio on a Aprillia and they would be in with a very serious chance of winning a championship.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1035197/1/aprilia-if-marquez-or-quartararo-are-free-we-don-t-particularly-need-them

Yeah bud not a smart article,agree.

Easy to look good when the opposition isn't there huh.
I thought the race was gunna be a bit of an anti climax and it was !

Enjoyed the good fight in Moto3 !

[jato]

a few storm clouds gathering around our jack ...https://motorcyclesports.net/ktm-considering-offering-jack-miller-double-salary-and-wildcards-in-2024-to-make-room-for-pedro-acosta/

[pritch]

Dani Pedrosa is getting mentioned in despatches. Third fastest on Friday. There'll probably be a few team managers noting invidious comparisons to their riders.

[BMWST?]

Dani Pedrosa is getting mentioned in despatches. Third fastest on Friday. There'll probably be a few team managers noting invidious comparisons to their riders.
he towed mm into q2

[onearmedbandit]

There's only a handful of riders who have ever won more GP's than him, and they're all big names. The guy is a living legend.

[BMWST?]

There's only a handful of riders who have ever won more GP's than him, and they're all big names. The guy is a living legend.
agree totally. At times he absolutely blitzed the field.

[onearmedbandit]

you gotta be quick tho the streams are gone within a couple of days

The British round is still up which was at the beginning of August, plus all the other rounds since.

[BMWST?]

The British round is still up which was at the beginning of August, plus all the other rounds since.
i will have to have another look. I cant even remember now but i couldnt find the race i wanted to watch

[sugilite]

Yeah, well I'm seeing what others including the riders are saying about it being near impossible to pass with the aero creating dirty air overheating the front tyres etc
That was a really boring race to watch. The most exciting part for me was Dani hunting down a podium position. Other than that, pretty much a yawnfest.
The Dani thing does make me ask if there is actually any aliens left other than MM who is on what the undisputed worst bike in the field?
I see MM used moving to his brothers team as leverage to force Honda to hire European engineers and so on. Good on him, but how long will it take them to fix the Honda? It sure took Dall'Igna a fair old while to turn the ducati into the winning machine it is today.

[iYRe]

Yeah, well I'm seeing what others including the riders are saying about it being near impossible to pass with the aero creating dirty air overheating the front tyres etc
That was a really boring race to watch. The most exciting part for me was Dani hunting down a podium position. Other than that, pretty much a yawnfest.
The Dani thing does make me ask if there is actually any aliens left other than MM who is on what the undisputed worst bike in the field?
I see MM used moving to his brothers team as leverage to force Honda to hire European engineers and so on. Good on him, but how long will it take them to fix the Honda? It sure took Dall'Igna a fair old while to turn the ducati into the winning machine it is today.

In todays coverage they said MM has said again that he is with Honda till the end of 24. Id say he is. I reckon he just doesnt want to leave them while they are struggling, as they didnt leave him when he was.

[sugilite]

In todays coverage they said MM has said again that he is with Honda till the end of 24. Id say he is. I reckon he just doesnt want to leave them while they are struggling, as they didnt leave him when he was.

As mentioned, yes he is staying with Honda - but as I said, how long will it take to turn it around? A year is possible, but not likely imo
They need to kick a lot of engineers to the curb, and they should be kicking test rider bradl to the curb too.
Ever since Dani left, the Honda has been getting worse and worse.
I still reckon had Dani gone to Yamaha 5 years ago, he would of been in with a very, very good chance of winning the championship.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah, well I'm seeing what others including the riders are saying about it being near impossible to pass with the aero creating dirty air overheating the front tyres etc
That was a really boring race to watch. The most exciting part for me was Dani hunting down a podium position. Other than that, pretty much a yawnfest.


God I couldn't agree more. And it's clear aero is here to stay for the time being, I think it was either Dorna or the FIM who mentioned that as it's now on road bikes it has relevance. What a load of shite, it's only on road bikes for homogolation in WSBK etc. The sport is suffering because of this.

[iYRe]

As mentioned, yes he is staying with Honda - but as I said, how long will it take to turn it around? A year is possible, but not likely imo


I see today that MM and FQ have suggested that this testing day (yesterday) will determine what decisions they make.. jeez I wish someone would get the story straight lol

[sugilite]

Yeah, I saw that lol
Personally I would like to see MM on a ducati.

[sugilite]

God I couldn't agree more. And it's clear aero is here to stay for the time being, I think it was either Dorna or the FIM who mentioned that as it's now on road bikes it has relevance. What a load of shite, it's only on road bikes for homogolation in WSBK etc. The sport is suffering because of this.

Yeah, that is a load of shit. it does not even work until well over any countries speed limit FFS (German autoban and other type roads excepted)

[onearmedbandit]

Not looking great so far.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1035554/1/marc-marquez-same-problems-2024-prototype-far-future-clear-soon

[sugilite]

Nooooooo - not Jack!!!! We know he can not manage a rear tyre to save his life, but he still a way better bet than Pol. Ditch Pol and stop being a dork KTM!
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1035550/1/warning-jack-miller-horrible-business-contracts-can-be-ripped

I stand with Jorge Lorenzo - there is a sentence I did not think I would ever say.....
Honda were dorks.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1035636/1/lorenzo-honda-lost-lot-when-pedrosa-left-has-proved-his-worth-ktm
Though Pedrosa too was a bit of a dork for not making a big money move to Yamaha and having a great crack at winning a world Championship when he had the chance :facepalm:

[Reckless]

The bloody speculation out there is rife.
About KTM and about MM.

KTM
I must say Jacks drop in form has come at exactly the wrong moment :mad: The Jack Haters are getting stuck in.
And you can't say KTM haven't done their best even putting up the money for another team they couldn't buy or form from new.
Bloody Dorna should have let them.

MM Says he has 3 options. Plan A, B and C he called them., a simple guess would be
A Stay at Honda
B Ride for another Brand
C Retire
That doesn't look like rocket science LMAO
He is proving he still has the magic, he is way way ahead of the other Hondas.

Trouble for all of them is they have Fabio and MM really unhappy with their new bikes ATM.
I think in the last day or so, I read, Fabio has said he is open to all offers :scooter:.

Also wonder how Zarco feels? Secure with the money for 2 years or pissed about his new ride??????

Interesting times to many riders and not enough bikes??

PS Looks like Carbon Fibre Chassis are coming after Danny's brilliant ride. Test rider beats all the factory boys TWICE :)

[iYRe]

The bloody speculation out there is rife.
About KTM and about MM.

KTM
I must say Jacks drop in form has come at exactly the wrong moment :mad: The Jack Haters are getting stuck in.
And you can't say KTM haven't done their best even putting up the money for another team they couldn't buy or form from new.
Bloody Dorna should have let them.


*conspiracy theory* - it couldnt be that jack's bike doesnt ride as well as the other on purpose? "Nah Jack, its not the bike mate, you have a form slump - you better get it sorted or your spot goes to this new prodigy who we promised a factory ride to and cant get out of it..."

[Reckless]

Franco Morbidelli has signed an agreement with Ducati that will see the Roman rider join the Pramac Racing Team for the 2024 season alongside Jorge Martin, both riding the Desmosedici GP24.

So MM to Yamaha :devil2::rolleyes::nono::Oi::baby:

[sugilite]

It would be great to see him get his mojo back :yes:

[Autech]

Sup homies.

Jacks form has definitely taken a slump. I can't help but think getting married and having a kid would be helping him much. Going to be interesting to see where KTM go with him, he's good but... Is he as good as all the others?

Frankie is going to be very dangerous next year, with Zarco and Dejandletonio gone Ducati are going to have one fuck off line up of talent, especially if they nab MM for Gresini. The data they'll be able to use will only boost the like of Bags up even more. Scary times for the other manufacturers. If I were Honda I'd be getting out a blank cheque and handing it to Acosta to break his KTM contract, this is how they get their titles after all, signing the best talent.

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[BMWST?]

Sup homies.

Jacks form has definitely taken a slump. I can't help but think getting married and having a kid would be helping him much. Going to be interesting to see where KTM go with him, he's good but... Is he as good as all the others?

Frankie is going to be very dangerous next year, with Zarco and Dejandletonio gone Ducati are going to have one fuck off line up of talent, especially if they nab MM for Gresini. The data they'll be able to use will only boost the like of Bags up even more. Scary times for the other manufacturers. If I were Honda I'd be getting out a blank cheque and handing it to Acosta to break his KTM contract, this is how they get their titles after all, signing the best talent.

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they need to get their chequebook out alright but not for riding talent. The need a gigi who will dictate what he needs .I suggest they have all the riding talent they need within the repsol setup

[onearmedbandit]

they need to get their chequebook out alright but not for riding talent. The need a gigi who will dictate what he needs .I suggest they have all the riding talent they need within the repsol setup

Exactly this. They have the talent, they don't need Acosta, they need a Gigi.

[iYRe]

they need to get their chequebook out alright but not for riding talent. The need a gigi who will dictate what he needs .I suggest they have all the riding talent they need within the repsol setup


Seconded on that one... really, on a good bike who is going to be the alien? Anyone else in the field? I thought FQ might have been but now I wonder. His bike in theory should be a little better than the Honda.... but MM is coming around half a field higher in the placings.

[Autech]

Seconded on that one... really, on a good bike who is going to be the alien? Anyone else in the field? I thought FQ might have been but now I wonder. His bike in theory should be a little better than the Honda.... but MM is coming around half a field higher in the placings.The Yamaha bike is actually slower this year than the previous year where as the Honda isn't. They've fucked up the engine like Suzuki did a few years back, apparently easy to do on a L4 with crank/flywheel weight etc

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[iYRe]

The Yamaha bike is actually slower this year than the previous year where as the Honda isn't. They've fucked up the engine like Suzuki did a few years back, apparently easy to do on a L4 with crank/flywheel weight etc

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Oh.. I thought I heard that FQ could actually run pretty fast lap times if there was no one else on the track, but the honda couldnt. I may have been mistaken though.

[Autech]

Oh.. I thought I heard that FQ could actually run pretty fast lap times if there was no one else on the track, but the honda couldnt. I may have been mistaken though.Not so much this year unfortunately. The bikes no longer sweet handling which is why even at the likes of Assen, Silverstone he wasn't up the front dicing with the homie. If I were fabio I'd be trying really hard to kick that Fernadez (who's been shit) off that Aprilia and getting on that bike for future years as he'd be unstoppable on it.

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[iYRe]

Found this from Mat Mladin,

Why do you think Jack struggles more as grip goes away? I have my thoughts about why he is fading based on my experience as a racer. Could Jack change something in his style that may help? In other professional sports they have coaches that help to improve their games or help change their swings a little in say golf or tennis or their kicking, throwing or passing action in a plethora of ball sports. A good coach can see things the athlete might miss. Is this something that could help racers also? Jack becoming a dad! I bring this up because I've read and heard in a few places lately that maybe Jack has been preoccupied with baby thoughts, so to speak. Congrats to Jack and his Gal 🍼👨*🍼. My feelings on having kids whilst being a motorcycle racer at the top of your game in a dangerous sport like ours, differ from what I've been reading. To go back 20 years (plus 9 months 🤣) Janine and I found out we would become parents for the first time. I was at Daytona when I got the call and it was the best day of my life. When I found out I was going to be a dad, it had a profound impact on me in many ways and it definitely changed my thoughts and outlook on racing. I was 31 years old and became a much more rounded racer with the arrival of my daughter. The feeling I had inside me to want to work harder than ever to get the most out of whatever I did was very profound and at the forefront of my mind. I felt the responsibility of owing that to my daughter. I can usually come up with the right words but I'm finding this a bit hard to explain. It settled me down alot. I felt content. Maybe I had a better perspective on life.
I'm pulling for Jack who along with a couple of other riders who don't pull any punches with their struggles. They don't blame anyone or anything. It's refreshing in this blame game culture, no matter the result. Jack calls a spade a spade and seems to remain positive which is great.
Please keep the comments respectful. Any comments that are blatantly disrespectful simply because Jack isn't your fav rider or whatever, will be deleted. I can assure you Jack is doing the absolute best he can every time he throws a leg over that KTM. In this world of people hiding behind their computer and speaking disrespectfully is not on. I'll never promote it on my page. Ta. Mat

[sugilite]

Yep, Jacks dirt track based ride style can work for him, and against.

Here is a video of the new India circuit they are going to next.
Do a virtual lap from 50 seconds into the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=dKtKxy8zJC4

[onearmedbandit]

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An onboard with Simon