MotoGP 2023

[sugilite]

Wow, that is very technical, just he way I like em - both as a racer and a spectator :yes:

[roogazza]

This'll be interesting ,new circuit .

We have a big weekend with WSB at Aragon as well....:wari::wari: :Punk::Punk:

[sugilite]

MM 2nd after first practice! (expect to see him drop there after)
Four makes in the top 4!
Off to a very interesting race weekend me thinks :yes:

1 Marco Bezzecchi ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) 1'45.990s 23/26 346k
2 Marc Marquez SPA Repsol Honda (RC213V) +0.139s 25/25 343k
3 Brad Binder RSA Red Bull KTM (RC16) +0.320s 25/25 344k
4 Raul Fernandez SPA RNF Aprilia (RS-GP22) +0.381s 24/24 340k
5 Maverick Viñales SPA Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23) +0.488s 25/25 343k
6 Johann Zarco FRA Pramac Ducati (GP23) +0.586s 24/24 343k
7 Luca Marini ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +0.619s 21/23 343k
8 Jorge Martin SPA Pramac Ducati (GP23) +0.620s 21/24 351k
9 Fabio Di Giannantonio ITA Gresini Ducati (GP22) +0.788s 21/23 338k
10 Joan Mir SPA Repsol Honda (RC213V) +0.815s 22/24 341k
11 Augusto Fernandez SPA Tech3 GASGAS (RC16)* +0.837s 26/26 340k
12 Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V) +0.976s 21/24 343k
13 Aleix Espargaro SPA Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23) +0.984s 22/24 341k
14 Alex Marquez SPA Gresini Ducati (GP22) +1.027s 26/26 344k
15 Francesco Bagnaia ITA Ducati Lenovo (GP23) +1.060s 22/24 343k
16 Jack Miller AUS Red Bull KTM (RC16) +1.381s 21/25 340k
17 Miguel Oliveira POR RNF Aprilia (RS-GP22) +1.429s 21/23 341k
18 Pol Espargaro SPA Tech3 GASGAS (RC16) +1.490s 13/21 346k
19 Fabio Quartararo FRA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +1.524s 10/10 341k
20 Michele Pirro ITA Ducati Lenovo (GP23) +2.038s 20/23 340k
21 Franco Morbidelli ITA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +2.115s 13/17 343k
22 Stefan Bradl GER LCR Honda (RC213V) +2.755s 26/26 341k

[BMWST?]

nothing wrong with the top speed of MM Honda can still build a motor(and Mir for that matter)

[jellywrestler]

not sure whether this has been tabled already, riders musgt pay tax in India, one wonders how far down the foodchain this is applicable for, staff etc?

https://motorcyclesports.net/motogp-rider-were-obligate-to-pay-for-racing-at-the-india-gp/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=motogp-rider-were-obligate-to-pay-for-racing-at-the-india-gp&fbclid=IwAR28n-G_lUTbPSGl2dg_pfzvh4g3IqwMLSEqiBuS3yg41qK7Au6kUeDf VKY

[Grumph]

not sure whether this has been tabled already, riders musgt pay tax in India, one wonders how far down the foodchain this is applicable for, staff etc?

https://motorcyclesports.net/motogp-rider-were-obligate-to-pay-for-racing-at-the-india-gp/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=motogp-rider-were-obligate-to-pay-for-racing-at-the-india-gp&fbclid=IwAR28n-G_lUTbPSGl2dg_pfzvh4g3IqwMLSEqiBuS3yg41qK7Au6kUeDf VKY

You'd have to assume it applies to everyone coming in to India to work at the meeting. If Dorna have taken care of the riders in Moto2 and 3 you'd hope the whole team staffs were covered too. MotoGP teams should surely cover thei own staff.

You'd also hope it does get sorted if the race is a regular on the calendar.

[pritch]

It was exactly this type of bureauocratic bullshit that caused the race to take so long to be approved. F'rinstsnce India wanted import duties paid on all the bikes and trucks etc, but that got sorted. The income tax charge must have come as a nasty surprise.

[onearmedbandit]

Looking more and more likely now. Time will tell.

[iYRe]

Looking more and more likely now. Time will tell.

Yeah the commentators were all over this before the sprint. Apparently no one is willing to say it isnt happening and there were lots of wry smiles from MM when spectator signs with "please go to Ducati" were shown (same with Gigi).

Very cool to see him back on the podium and both him and Binder slippin and sliding all over the place. Dont think he will come top 5 tomorrow though.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah the commentators were all over this before the sprint. Apparently no one is willing to say it isnt happening and there were lots of wry smiles from MM when spectator signs with "please go to Ducati" were shown (same with Gigi).

Very cool to see him back on the podium and both him and Binder slippin and sliding all over the place. Dont think he will come top 5 tomorrow though.

Yeah watching the practice sessions the commentators were all over it (a little too much at times) but fuel was definitely chucked on the fire when Jack spoke with Paolo, even Simon who normally talks the MM/Ducati rumours down was speechless at the time.

[iYRe]

Yeah watching the practice sessions the commentators were all over it (a little too much at times) but fuel was definitely chucked on the fire when Jack spoke with Paolo, even Simon who normally talks the MM/Ducati rumours down was speechless at the time.

Yeah, apparently we should know this week.

[sugilite]

Wow, that was an action packed doozeee :headbang:
Bagnia's oppsie has sure opened up the championship.
It was nice to see the hondas up there and Mir actually finishing a race - the first one since the opening round :gob: MM crashing, remounting and still cracking the top 10 and only 2 seconds behind "pop" gun Mav. - Awesome.
I really like the track, it was nice to see corners with more than one line through it :yes:

A great round me thinks.

[onearmedbandit]

And the masterclass display of talent from Marco. Like you say, a great round. And a fantastic result for 17yr old Zonta in Moto2, finishing the points for the first time.

[iYRe]

I concur.. MM was almost on the podium there for a bit.. Poor old Martin was completely shagged but Bez was climbing the stadium.. bizarre

[BMWST?]

quite interesting to see the hondas and yamahas being almost competitive. Lack of data and proven experience/speed show where some real talent is??

[sugilite]

MM was reported as saying that he believes the Indian track is super similar to the USA track and as a result the honda worked.

[roogazza]

quite interesting to see the hondas and yamahas being almost competitive. Lack of data and proven experience/speed show where some real talent is??

Nice to see #20 F Q riding the wheels off the thing. Got to be frustrating for him ?

Maybe it was the Buttered Chicken and Garlic Naan ???????? :rolleyes::laugh::shifty:<_<:msn-wink:

[sugilite]

Yeah, Fabio was absolutely riding the wheels of his bike, as was Mir - especially in the final laps.
In the sprint race I asked my wife, how many laps did she think Mir would stay on, and then 2 corners after I asked the question - he fell off!
REALLY glad to see he finished the main race. No questioning the size of his nads seeing his last few laps! :crazy:

[Autech]

Yeah, Fabio was absolutely riding the wheels of his bike, as was Mir - especially in the final laps.
In the sprint race I asked my wife, how many laps did she think Mir would stay on, and then 2 corners after I asked the question - he fell off!
REALLY glad to see he finished the main race. No questioning the size of his nads seeing his last few laps! :crazy:

Mir's an odd one to read, in 2020 he stayed on board and won a championship with only 1 race win, never seeming to step over the limit. Since then though he's been a huge crasher, even on the Suzuki.

I think what we saw was with Fabio, MM and Mir is the talent rising to the top on a new track, especially once as technical as this one.

[BMWST?]

Mir's an odd one to read, in 2020 he stayed on board and won a championship with only 1 race win, never seeming to step over the limit. Since then though he's been a huge crasher, even on the Suzuki.

I think what we saw was with Fabio, MM and Mir is the talent rising to the top on a new track, especially once as technical as this one.
yes lack of data so more to do with rider feel etc

[sugilite]

Marquez explains.....

"Marquez and Repsol Honda team-mate Joan Mir had been competitive all weekend, why?

“This racetrack is very similar to Austin, a lot of stop and go, first gear corners. We saw in Austin what Rins did. It's not exactly the same here, but it's very similar and in those kinds of [slow] corners we are struggling less."

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1036733/1/marc-marquez-podium-was-real-chance-explains-honda-s-indian-speed

[jato]

Mat Oxley is a pretty good storyteller, and this is a pretty good tale from years gone by ... https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/the-thrill-of-new-motogp-flyaway-races-from-buenos-aires-to-buddh/
as for this weekend i expect it'll be pretty entertaining with the championship battle getting pretty intense now.
Jack won last year ... be good to see him on form for a change otherwise i can see him out the door later this year

[iYRe]

Great race, pity about the rain.

Quote from Cal Crutchlow: if MM gets on a Ducati, no one else need bother turn up (paraphrase)

[F5 Dave]

Mat Oxley is a pretty good storyteller, and this is a pretty good tale from years gone by ... https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/the-thrill-of-new-motogp-flyaway-races-from-buenos-aires-to-buddh/
as for this weekend i expect it'll be pretty entertaining with the championship battle getting pretty intense now.
Jack won last year ... be good to see him on form for a change otherwise i can see him out the door later this year


Indeed Oxley, from a link I had from the same article you posted.


https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/opinions/80s-month-some-memories-are-funny-many-embarrassing/

[jato]

that was a good read allright - bring back the eighties!

[sugilite]

Bye bye Honda. It's official folks, MM to leave Honda at the end of 23.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1037331/1/official-marc-marquez-leave-repsol-honda-end-2023

[iYRe]

Bye bye Honda. It's official folks, MM to leave Honda at the end of 23.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1037331/1/official-marc-marquez-leave-repsol-honda-end-2023


well, next year will be interesting. Will Cal be right, or will MM just be another ducati rider? (I find that hard to believe)

[Reckless]

Its Defiantly Official MM out of Honda of the MotoGP site

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2023/10/04/honda-and-marc-marquez-to-end-collaboration-early-by-mutual-agreement/479550?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=traffic&fbclid=IwAR2uI6MiU2jePeJuWsUYQAmJaYATEG_iKWDDaZHnr HCwJF-VPDLhpq4VS_g

[pritch]

well, next year will be interesting. Will Cal be right, or will MM just be another ducati rider? (I find that hard to believe)

A Ducati engineer told one of the journos (Oxley?) that if Marquez or Quateraro got on a Ducati, the others wouldn't see which way they went. Now we get to see if he was right.

[iYRe]

A Ducati engineer told one of the journos (Oxley?) that if Marquez or Quateraro got on a Ducati, the others wouldn't see which way they went. Now we get to see if he was right.

yeah, pretty much was Cal said too

[F5 Dave]

Definitely one for armchair pundits of 'what if?'
I'd they can tune front end for him -watch out.
And he doesn't damage himself again. . .

Stable design bike will be good for him.

[BMWST?]

I really thought he would give Honda another year. What say you now folks.One of my mates reckons Honda will leave Motogp now.Or will thy buy Acosta and Dani

[onearmedbandit]

I really thought he would give Honda another year. What say you now folks.One of my mates reckons Honda will leave Motogp now.Or will thy buy Acosta and Dani

I've seen others say that. Honda have already said they are not leaving MotoGP, that it is a part of their DNA. Secondly, I don't see a company that prides itself on "it's not the rider, it's the bike" leaving because a rider left. That would be admitting that it was the rider. Honda will be back at the pointy end, no doubt about that in my books.

[Reckless]

It might do Honda the world of good not designing a bike around MM.
And
It might do MM the world of good because Ducati have repeatedly said they Don't/Won't design a bike around a particular rider.

Might be win-win or fail-fail or fall for MM and win for Honda or Visa versa.
A fresh start for all concerned. Mir is no slug and Zarco will bring fresh input and they have room for a youngster now.

Be very interesting :scooter:

[BMWST?]

I've seen others say that. Honda have already said they are not leaving MotoGP, that it is a part of their DNA. Secondly, I don't see a company that prides itself on "it's not the rider, it's the bike" leaving because a rider left. That would be admitting that it was the rider. Honda will be back at the pointy end, no doubt about that in my books.
I dont think they will leave immediately but how long will they persevere with medicore results. They have to overhaul the whole operation.There is nothing wrong with their engine imho. Its the aero and other aids.

[BMWST?]

It might do Honda the world of good not designing a bike around MM.
And
It might do MM the world of good because Ducati have repeatedly said they Don't/Won't design a bike around a particular rider.

Might be win-win or fail-fail or fall for MM and win for Honda or Visa versa.
A fresh start for all concerned. Mir is no slug and Zarco will bring fresh input and they have room for a youngster now.

Be very interesting :scooter:

I rekon if the bike is competitive he will be in the front group.Alex has already shown that

[sugilite]

A few months ago, I was worried Honda might leave. Now I'm comfortable they will stay.

I reckon as long as MM gels with the bike ok, and so many riders before him have - I think MM has the potential to just fuck off on them, especially at the traditional tracks he goes well at. :yes:

[Reckless]

Just putting it out there but we sure MM is going to Gresini???
What if he replaced Enea :bleh:

[actungbaby]

Bye bye Honda. It's official folks, MM to leave Honda at the end of 23.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1037331/1/official-marc-marquez-leave-repsol-honda-end-2023It's best thing for Honda racing corporation .they can rebuild .
Then be bye bye Ducati.

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[actungbaby]

I really thought he would give Honda another year. What say you now folks.One of my mates reckons Honda will leave Motogp now.Or will thy buy Acosta and DaniDon't be daft .really have u a clue about racing history.

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[jato]

quite a neat little video from jack - he's pretty handy on a dirt bike and big yellow things ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOvcYz0GLKs

[Reckless]

Pols gone from GasGas

Fernandez and Acosta set to get on the gas for 2024 MotoGP™
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2024 GASGAS Factory Racing Tech3 announcement
GASGAS Factory Racing Tech3 have made a decision regarding their 2024 MotoGP™ line up, with Pol Espargaro set for a new role within the team

Reigning Moto2™ World Champion and notable 2023 MotoGP™ rookie, Augusto Fernandez, will remain with the GASGAS Factory Racing Tech3 squad for his second term at the highest level. The 26-year-old Mallorcan caught the eye with points-scoring performances in all but two of the 14 Grands Prix so far this season and has posted a personal best of 4th place at the French Grand Prix. In Japan last weekend he notched his second-best classification with 7th place through tricky rainy conditions at Motegi. Augusto has shown potential and maturity while also progressing with his adaptation to the 2023 GASGAS RC16. He will be joined by the man who could be next in line for the Moto2™ gold medal.

Pedro Acosta is in only his third full season of World Championship competition but the prolific 19-year-old won the Moto3™ title (2021), Moto2™ Grands Prix as a rookie (2022) and has snared 11 podiums from 14 rounds this year to head the standings by more than 50 points. Acosta has the ability, the racecraft and the sheer natural talent to join the MotoGP™ grid and complete a remarkable journey through the company’s talent structure from being Red Bull MotoGP™ Rookies Cup Champion in 2020 to premier class racer in 2024.

GASGAS Factory Racing Tech3 rider, Pol Espargaro, will fill a crucial and very valued position for the Pierer Mobility Motorsport project next year. The likeable 32-year-old was part of this joint decision for both the short and long-term future of the company’s MotoGP™ goals. Pol is greatly appreciated for his commitment and experience; right from the very first days of the Pierer Mobility Group’s MotoGP™ entry up until his dedicated quest to return to competitiveness after injury sustained earlier in 2023. The #44 is an important asset for supporting talented young athletes and maintaining the strength of the current racing set-up and his humility is evidenced by his willingness to assist the next generation hoping to follow in his footsteps. Pol’s character, energy and abilities mean he will still be a prominent member of the MotoGP™ program on both sides of the pit wall.

Pit Beirer, GASGAS Motorsports Director: “We had an important and difficult decision to make for our GASGAS team for 2024. Augusto has made impressive first steps in MotoGP and we are totally convinced he has the speed and the intelligence to keep on progressing. Pedro is a very special talent who has already won so much, so quickly and 2024 will be about him learning to take the next step with the big boys in MotoGP. I want to thank Pol for everything he has done and all he continues to do for us. This guy is super-tough and super-determined and that’s why we want to count on him as an important part of our structure. Pol’s openness and proactiveness deserves my deepest respect. It underlines his greatness as a person that he gave us a helping hand in this situation. It also shows his passion for the sport and his thoughts for the future. With these pieces in place and with Hervé, Nicolas, and all the team and their experience we have an exciting year ahead for the GASGAS brand

[F5 Dave]

Don't be daft .really have u a clue about racing history.

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Like when Honda have pulled out of GP racing before?

And Suzuki just recently?
Kawasaki a while back?
Yamaha less so, but have withdrawn after death of rider.

So what was this you were asking , oh knowledgeable font of racing , that is quick to critisise?

[sugilite]

It's best thing for Honda racing corporation .they can rebuild .
Then be bye bye Ducati.

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Yes, they can absolutely rebuild. But to do so, they will need to get over their culture and seek outside help - and then learn to react a hell of a lot faster than they have of late to even have a chance of becoming competitive. In short they need a Gigi, and pronto - then they have to learn how to step back and let their Gigi go at it without hindrance. Can they do that? We shall see. It appears Marc does not have that faith in Honda and has voted with his riding boot clad feet.


Pols gone from GasGas



Smartest and most obvious (to me) thing for KTM to do. Acosta is the bright shining light of the future, Pol (IMHO) has only been a fleeting shooting star once in a blue moon.

[onearmedbandit]

Yes, they can absolutely rebuild. But to do so, they will need to get over their culture and seek outside help - and then learn to react a hell of a lot faster than they have of late to even have a chance of becoming competitive. In short they need a Gigi, and pronto - then they have to learn how to step back and let their Gigi go at it without hindrance. Can they do that? We shall see. It appears Marc does not have that faith in Honda and has voted with his riding boot clad feet.





Funny you say that...
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1037413/1/ducati-boss-gigi-dall-igna-reveals-he-rejected-approach-honda

[iYRe]

The move to Gresini was official yesterday - https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2023/10/12/marc-marquez-to-join-gresini-racing-motogp/

If he is in the top 5 spots in qualifying he's gonna be challenging for the lead. Doesnt matter if any of the other riders' bikes are a little better imho. The old argument about is it the rider or the bike - its both, but MM has proved that he can make a difference, at least on a Honda. Be interesting to see how much difference he makes on a Ducati.

[BMWST?]

Yes, they can absolutely rebuild. But to do so, they will need to get over their culture and seek outside help - and then learn to react a hell of a lot faster than they have of late to even have a chance of becoming competitive. In short they need a Gigi, and pronto - then they have to learn how to step back and let their Gigi go at it without hindrance. Can they do that? We shall see. It appears Marc does not have that faith in Honda and has voted with his riding boot clad feet.



Smartest and most obvious (to me) thing for KTM to do. Acosta is the bright shining light of the future, Pol (IMHO) has only been a fleeting shooting star once in a blue moon.

I am quite sure that Honda can build a winning bike,but as you say they need a gigi and he has to have almost complete authority.

[george formby]

Check your plans genulmin, looks like we can watch the next four races live at very civilised times.

[BMWST?]

So what has happened to Giannantonio?

[sugilite]

I read somewhere that Honda are letting MM ride the Ducati at the end of season test in Spain. I'm looking forward to that!
Gigi has developed that bike into something so many riders are competitive on, no matter their ride style.
Having seen how Dani has helped KTM develop their bike, I do not think it is a stretch to say that it is no coincidence that MM's strongest years were when he was racing a well developed "Dani" bike.
I'd bet that MM is going to feel comfortable on a Ducati real fast.
It will be interesting seeing a Bona fide alien ride the bike and see what it can really do. :yes:

[jato]

some sad faces in the factory ducati camp with their boys at 16th and 20th or thereabouts ... they will be hoping some rabbits get pulled out in Q1 tomorrow.

[jellywrestler]

Simon Crafar on the Cemetery Circuit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57nyUJdQIz4

[Warr]

Bagnaia 3rd in Q1 .. wow Chances of championship lead change getting dangerously close for Bike #1

[onearmedbandit]

And Jorge Martin was lucky to get the position he did in Q2 with that early crash. What a ride by Marini though, freshly plated collarbone and takes the new lap record. Can Maverick get a start right today and tomorrow?

[BMWST?]

So JM immediately shows he is not impervious to pressure,but did respomd well. Its gona be intruiging!

[pritch]

Simon Patterson Moto GP journo has posted something of a tease on Xitter.

[iYRe]

Simon Patterson Moto GP journo has posted something of a tease on Xitter.

Any ideas what it might be?

[sugilite]

I'm going with 1 ply toilet paper and 56 k dial up modems in the press centres.

[Oscar]

Simon Patterson Moto GP journo has posted something of a tease on Xitter.


Simon Patterson is an ignorant cockwomble.

https://preview.redd.it/v6ax63cmwxda1.jpg?width=736&auto=webp&1030685e

[F5 Dave]

Simon Patterson is an ignorant cockwomble.

https://preview.redd.it/v6ax63cmwxda1.jpg?width=736&auto=webp&1030685e

I'm intrigued. Can you draw a picture of such a beast?

[Oscar]

I'm intrigued. Can you draw a picture of such a beast?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1426458960178130944/_jPQdlK7_400x400.jpg

https://i.redd.it/v6ax63cmwxda1.jpg

[pritch]

Mat Oxley's comment.

[onearmedbandit]

Simon Patterson is an ignorant cockwomble.



Yup he's made some pretty big scenes over minor shit before. Be interesting nonetheless to see what this is about.

[Reckless]

He says himself he is at home and uninvited
I like Eugene Laverty's reply seems to describe the situation.

Originally he said Pecco should have been delt with more harshly for the Drinking wasn't it?
That pissed everyone off?
Especially when Jack took Patterson the task at a press conference in defence of Pecco.
Well it wasn't so much in defence as to shut the prick up for dwelling on shit that wasnt needed.

I guess you have to pick your moment or you get exorcised

Found it, Jack did look pissed off LMAO
https://youtu.be/h1yMFAj7Iwg

[F5 Dave]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1426458960178130944/_jPQdlK7_400x400.jpg


Aĥh, so prince Harry impersonator?

[onearmedbandit]

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1038493/1/australian-motogp-switches-saturday-race

Sunday's race moved to Saturday.

[jato]

Wooo hoooo - that was good to watch ! Phillip island always turns on a good show... smart move holding the main race today. hopefully the weather is good enough for more racing tomorrow

[iYRe]

Wooo hoooo - that was good to watch ! Phillip island always turns on a good show... smart move holding the main race today. hopefully the weather is good enough for more racing tomorrow
roll me over, lay me down and do it again. Martin stuffed that up for sure.
Bloody amazing race

[pritch]

Excellent. One of the podium finishers hasn't got a ride next year. You could say he was motivated.

[george formby]

Wooo hoooo - that was good to watch ! Phillip island always turns on a good show... smart move holding the main race today. hopefully the weather is good enough for more racing tomorrow

Yup, has to be my fav circuit at the mo. Always seems to provide a great race. Watching the last few laps had me fist in mouth.

[george formby]

Looks like times have changed again.

Moto 3 starts at 12.

Watching moto 2 warm up now and it's carnage.

[Moise]

Yes, it was a good race. Not quite up to last year's, but that must be the first time since the Stoner reign that anyone has opened a gap on the field. Zarco is obviously out of practice at backflips, but it has been a very long time!

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[BMWST?]

Very surprised that he elected the soft he was already fast on the medium.Couldnt believe how easily Binder took him on the last bend. I think his his front tyre was stuffed too

[F5 Dave]

If the race was one lap less we'd all be exclaiming how masterful he'd been.

[onearmedbandit]

If the race was one lap less we'd all be exclaiming how masterful he'd been.

100%. Another example of the thin line between being a hero or a zero.

[BMWST?]

100%. Another example of the thin line between being a hero or a zero.

dead right. If mere mortals rode those bikes we wouldnt see the performance gaps we see when motogp riders push them to the limits

[iYRe]

A few seasons ago when the Honda was actually good, didnt MM do something similar - stayed out on drys when it was raining? Or was it stayed out on wets when it was dry? Maybe both.. I remember everyone thinking he was nuts though

[jato]

Another pretty exciting sprint race ... Bagnaia must be getting a little concerned.

[BMWST?]

A few seasons ago when the Honda was actually good, didnt MM do something similar - stayed out on drys when it was raining? Or was it stayed out on wets when it was dry? Maybe both.. I remember everyone thinking he was nuts though
yes he has always been the one who is the forfront of any change...ussually changing to slicks as the track drys

[onearmedbandit]

What a fantastic race! And Moto3 as well. I'll concede to James Deuce as well, I just don't see Maverick getting that elusive win.

[jato]

Hell yes - what a dogfight! Binder a little shortchanged considering if he kissed the green earlier it'd be a warning. rules i guess but ....

[iYRe]

Hell yes - what a dogfight! Binder a little shortchanged considering if he kissed the green earlier it'd be a warning. rules i guess but ....

He's the only south african I am cheering for :P

That was a real stonker that race.

[jato]

What a fantastic race! And Moto3 as well. I'll concede to James Deuce as well, I just don't see Maverick getting that elusive win.

Maverick is a topic on his own - we've all seen both ends of the spectrum from him... he's apparently had a real shit upbringing and might be carrying a bit of baggage. On sunday though 3 aprilia riders reported the bike trying to serve them up very well done ... https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1039636/1/aleix-panic-i-couldn-t-breathe-vinales-began-lose-mental-clarity

[Grumph]

Maybe a side effect of the aero package. Sitting them in a pocket of still air.

RC30's simply try and fry your balls. Which is not uncommon with V4's.

[BMWST?]

Bagnaia attempted move round the outside was something to behold ! I thought he was gonna do it!

[pritch]

This year I've had difficulty logging in to the MotoGP site. When I tried to watch the race on TV I got a message "try again later." I have not been a happy camper.

Suddenly my log in problems seem to have disappeared, and I have watched two of the three races on the TV so far. Better late than never.

[BMWST?]

i have to say that the coverage on TVNZ has been better then i expected. The have been a couple of glitches one race had some minutes of football or something and another round the covergae would jump back to the start after 20 minutes or so.After advancing another couple of miutes was fine. I didnt expect tvnz to have all seesions and all classes but i guess that was down to spark sport

[pritch]

Was listening to Mat Oxley's podcast last night. He said that Martin's tyre pressure was below minimum for over half the race. Martin has received a warning that if it happens again he will be penalised by having three seconds added to his race time. Race Direction had to do something, but as Oxley says, it would be a shame if the championship was decided by a penalty like that.

[Moise]

Was listening to Mat Oxley's podcast last night. He said that Martin's tyre pressure was below minimum for over half the race. Martin has received a warning that if it happens again he will be penalised by having three seconds added to his race time. Race Direction had to do something, but as Oxley says, it would be a shame if the championship was decided by a penalty like that.

Probably because he led the race from start to finish, apart from a lap near the end, managed tyre wear really well, and his tyres heated up less than expected. The teams are walking a real tightrope with this.

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[iYRe]

Stories out there about MotoGP bikes going down to 850cc - not sure from when - 2025 maybe?

[Moise]

Stories out there about MotoGP bikes going down to 850cc - not sure from when - 2025 maybe?From 2027.

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[F5 Dave]

Haven't we been here before?

Full 1000 but make 'em 4 gears. That will limit power and favour spread.

[Moise]

There's a long interview with the Dorna director of technology on Motomatters, which I'll read when I have a spare hour or so!

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[roogazza]

I see Bautista is getting a guest ride in Motogp at the next Round....

Suppose it's a thankyou from Doocati for winning the WSB Title ?

It will be interesting to see how the tiny little fella handles it ? :msn-wink:

[F5 Dave]

Maybe he'll do a Bayliss?
That would be inconvenient to No.1 rider.

[BMWST?]

i sem to remeber he did a pretty good job last time...was it Lorenzos bike he rode??

[Reckless]

i sem to remeber he did a pretty good job last time...was it Lorenzos bike he rode??

He's got Danny's efforts as a ring in and a benchmark.
Be interesting to see how the WSBK winner goes up against a test rider :devil2:

[roogazza]

Maybe he'll do a Bayliss?
That would be inconvenient to No.1 rider.

Yes remember Baylis doing the biz, not many have done that ? :yes:

[pritch]

Aruba.it Racing Ducati Team Principal Stefano Cecconi wondered what mind-set Bautista will bring to his wildcard appearance.
“I think, in his heart, he’s started to think big." - crash.net

I still smile when I recall an embarrassed Bautista arriving at parc ferme on foot having destroyed his 250 during his post race celebrations.

[Moise]

I have enjoyed watching Bautista in WSBK since he went back to Ducati. Hopefully BMW can give Toprak a half decent bike so that he can still compete next year.

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[pritch]

I have enjoyed watching Bautista in WSBK since he went back to Ducati. Hopefully BMW can give Toprak a half decent bike so that he can still compete next year.

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Watched Q1 & 2 yesterday waiting for Bautista to pull a rabbit out of his helmet, sadly it didn't happen. Yet.

[iYRe]

Watched Q1 & 2 yesterday waiting for Bautista to pull a rabbit out of his helmet, sadly it didn't happen. Yet.
definitely didnt happen in the sprint. Was an exciting race though.

[sugilite]

Apparently Bautista was riding with a shoulder injury.
I actually thought both the sprint race and long race were pretty boring. I think we got a good look at the near impossible nature of executing passes due to front tyre pressures etc with this race. Once the start was sorted out, it was just another processional bore-fest like is becoming more and more common.

Listening to the commentators talking about all this extra pressure the ride height lowering devices and aero are putting on the front tyre is making it quite dangerous. Yet Michelin are not due to bring out a revised front tyre until 2025! This gob smacks me as I well remember the days when Michelin would literally make the likes of Rossi, and Doohan etc tyres over night and have them flown in the next morning. Now it's like "oh maybe next year" :brick: we will bring out a new tyre - mind blown!
Get rid of aero, get rid of ride height adjusters - they are killing the spectacle. It is not like road bikes need any of that shit anyways.

The commentators were also saying that Repsol Honda riders have now crashed a combined 50 times this year and missed 9 rounds! Pretty sure Mir must just look around the track for the most optimal soft spot to crash and just gets it over and done with by jumping off at that spot. Iker managed to finish, and I "think" Knackedgami managed to crash, remount and finish. Lots of talk around Luca Marini going to Repsol, he must be figuring he is young enough to get the big honda bucks and get a competitive bike later, or the that somehow the honda comes good. Big risk either way.

[Reckless]

Added to that you have the tyre pressure rule added in.
According to the media Pecco got a warning because he was on his own and his pressure dropped under the rule for more than 50% of the race. Penalty is 3 seconds off.
If this bloody pressure ruling and a penalty decides the championship I am going to watch WSBK next year its a bloody lottery as to if you are in a group or on your own.
I think Pecco and Martin have warnings
They have to do something about all this bullshit I agree with Suglite if they cant make a tyre to cope with aero etc get rid of the bloody aero.

[BMWST?]

they will be able to air the tyres up and down if they wanted.I wonder if thats in the rule book .Agree that the penalty thing re the tyres is pretty much a lottery and that will annoy a lot of people if that becomes a factor in the title(s)

[onearmedbandit]

they will be able to air the tyres up and down if they wanted.

How would they do this in a race?

[pritch]

According to the media Pecco got a warning because he was on his own and his pressure dropped under the rule for more than 50% of the race. Penalty is 3 seconds off.
If this bloody pressure ruling and a penalty decides the championship I am going to watch WSBK next year its a bloody lottery as to if you are in a group or on your own.
I think Pecco and Martin have warnings
They have to do something about all this bullshit I agree with Suglite if they cant make a tyre to cope with aero etc get rid of the bloody aero.

Yep thassit. Both contenders do have warnings, this year could be the first time a rider has to finish second to win.

[iYRe]

Also just in, not that it probably matters but Red Bull is following MM and leaving Honda.

[BMWST?]

How would they do this in a race?

trucks have on board air and can alter air pressure on the fly. I am sure that technology would be easy for motogp. I would like to try it on my 4wd but the systems I see have hoses that are too vunerable,but again the tech exists

[onearmedbandit]

trucks have on board air and can alter air pressure on the fly. I am sure that technology would be easy for motogp. I would like to try it on my 4wd but the systems I see have hoses that are too vunerable,but again the tech exists

Those systems are pretty bulky. It would be interesting to see how they would implement even a down-sized system onto a bike with the rotational speeds seen when traveling at 360kmh.

[iYRe]

Those systems are pretty bulky. It would be interesting to see how they would implement even a down-sized system onto a bike with the rotational speeds seen when traveling at 360kmh.

You know, I'd have thought that they could work out a way to have a variable air pressure system that kept the pressure constant.. Surely a few ounces of weight vs millisecs a lap works out.

[onearmedbandit]

You know, I'd have thought that they could work out a way to have a variable air pressure system that kept the pressure constant.. Surely a few ounces of weight vs millisecs a lap works out.

Yet so far, despite the issues tyre pressures are causing, they haven't. Maybe some time in the future, be that tomorrow or the next decade, we might.

[iYRe]

Yet so far, despite the issues tyre pressures are causing, they haven't. Maybe some time in the future, be that tomorrow or the next decade, we might.

Well I guess we dont know if they are working on something or not really - certainly nothing on the bikes yet.

I'm sure someones thought of it.

[BMWST?]

You know, I'd have thought that they could work out a way to have a variable air pressure system that kept the pressure constant.. Surely a few ounces of weight vs millisecs a lap works out.
not to mention avoiding a race penalty

[onearmedbandit]

I like Aleix Espagaro but man oh man does he need to get anger and emotions into check.

Qualifying was fantastic, both Q1 and 2. Great action in the sprint race as well. Bring on the GP!

[jato]

yip - went from being a long time fan of his to declaring him a dick ... felt sorry for morbidelli being on the recieving end of his meltdown. does anyone know what time the race is on? the official site doesn't seem to show the schedule anymore for me despite going through the steps that used to work ( and widely cursing the dweeb that changed the website from last year)

[onearmedbandit]

Google says 6AM NZT.

[george formby]

Google says 6AM NZT.

:niceone:As does the MotoGP website.

[iYRe]

Well that was a helluva race.

well done FD.

Also, how the frick does MM keep that honda up there for so long.. He's riding in p5-6 and the next honda is p20 sheesh. Bummer for Jorge though, that was a bit of a wicked start.

[Reckless]

Good race Pleased for Diggia
Someone give him a job FFS

Getting sick of MM antics. I wonder what sort of vibe he is going to bring to Ducati. Cannot see it being too good TBH.

Only to be upstaged by Aleix on Morbid. Bloody hell evey time Morbid rolls of he's in the shit with someone.

Dunno why Taka still has a job. Honda has really lost its way.
Not sure why Luca is considering it even for a two year contract. Maybe him and Zarco can change things?????

Looks like from the comments Pecco had a bad tyre yesterday and Jorge had a worse one today.
The cant ride around the issues because of the way the bikes are these days. :facepalm:
Bit of a lottery I reckon. :no:

Don't mind Pecco winning the championship again at least he is gracious and respectful.

[roogazza]

Looks like from the comments Pecco had a bad tyre yesterday and Jorge had a worse one today.
The cant ride around the issues because of the way the bikes are these days. :facepalm:
Bit of a lottery I reckon. :no:

Don't mind Pecco winning the championship again at least he is gracious and respectful.

Agree mate, like Pecco.... but yes I wonder about the tyres,and their qualility control...?????

[BMWST?]

it seems that their is some variance in the tyres which expains some of the variable performances from Pecco for example. Man that was a close call at turn 1 on the last lap

[BMWST?]

Good race Pleased for Diggia
Someone give him a job FFS

Getting sick of MM antics. I wonder what sort of vibe he is going to bring to Ducati. Cannot see it being too good TBH.


What antics? Like trying to fight for every place.What do you want hime to do,ride around at the back in case he upsets someone?

[pritch]

Unrealistically optimistic to give Giannantonio a 'Mapping 8' message in the circumstances. He treated it with the respect it deserved.

[iYRe]

Unrealistically optimistic to give Giannantonio a 'Mapping 8' message in the circumstances. He treated it with the respect it deserved.

"Officially" it was the signal to attack.. in quotes :P

[Reckless]

What antics? Like trying to fight for every place.What do you want hime to do,ride around at the back in case he upsets someone?

I'd like to see him ride it like he stole it and qually where him and the bike are at and not use some poor schmuck as a crutch.
Some of his antics of late are out and out disrespectful to the other riders.
10 points to Morbid last meeting for telling him to fuck off and not play his silly games.
They even have a bloody guy with binoculars opposite the chosen victims garage.
He's to good for that carry on. Gone too far IMHO.

I hope he doesn't carry on like that on his new ride.

[sugilite]

That was a good couple of races. Sure made for close passing maneuvers with the slipperiness off line.

My wife and I always make sure we add in "very angry" When ever we reference Aleix Espargaro because every article you see about him, he is always referencing how angry he is :laugh:

Congratulations to Fabio di Giannantonio for winning the race with a great ride!

Soooooo, with 8 different riders taking out wins this year pretty much rules out any of the current ducati riders as being "aliens".
That means come next Monday - a genuine alien (MM) will be swinging a leg over a Ducati. I have no doubt that he knows his brothers natural bike settings extremely well and the team will be able to give him a fairly handy baseline on which to start.

I'm not a huge fan of his personality, though he has matured over the years - but man can he ride a motorcycle like no other.

I would love to see him jump on and kick arse to show them all what a real alien looks like!
Paradoxically, I do not want to see MM jump on a ducati and thrash everyone because I well remember the championship years where the races were boring as MM checked out and fucked off!

[F5 Dave]

I went searching for Luca story as so confusing.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/the-hidden-paradox-in-marinis-move-to-hondas-motogp-team/10546448/

[iYRe]

Interesting comments by Jorge Martin here:
https://motorcyclesports.net/jorge-martin-hints-that-his-race-maybe-have-been-sabotaged-to-prevent-him-from-taking-the-title-the-title-was-stolen-from-me/

Just emotions or valid suspicions? We'll never know I guess.

[sugilite]

It was pretty odd how he got a bum tyre at the worst possible time, could be just bad luck, or not :devil2:

I've long wondered if ducati could hide inhibitor software to interfere with a bike via remote control.....

[jim.cox]

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"

Someone forgot to plug in the back tyre warmer.

[iYRe]

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"

Someone forgot to plug in the back tyre warmer.

someone should be without a job this week then lol

[BMWST?]

I think the explanation is that there IS a variation in the qulaity of the tyres. We have seen Pecco finsh in a lower place and struggle to qulaify. I think this can be attributed to the fact that there is a variation in the quality of the tyres. Jorges extreme style couldnt be executed.

[pritch]

It was pretty odd how he got a bum tyre at the worst possible time, could be just bad luck, or not :devil2:

I've long wondered if ducati could hide inhibitor software to interfere with a bike via remote control.....

Pecco had a bum tyre at some point during the previous race weekend. Michelin don't seem to be doing themselves any favours currently with the minimum pressure kerfuffle and now a dodgy tyre lottery.

[iYRe]

https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2023/11/23/11-years-6-titles-countless-memories-m-marquez-favourite-honda-moments/483935

This was pretty interesting and revealing. I know a lot of people dont like him, but I do. He's clearly a guy who cares about his team, and for me that means alot.

I was watching a Ben Collins video (the stig) - he was talking to two staff members from the original Top Gear. One guy said "Jeremy Clarkson is a great guy, hilarious and extremely smart. What you see on TV is a toned down version of what he is really like. I love the guy but every now and again you have to point out that he is a LOT to deal with." I feel like MM is the opposite. Off the track he's a toned down version the on track guy. I've seen quite a few videos of him away from the track now.

Anyway.. the video is good :P

[BMWST?]

Pecco had a bum tyre at some point during the previous race weekend. Michelin don't seem to be doing themselves any favours currently with the minimum pressure kerfuffle and now a dodgy tyre lottery.
i think that there is always a variation in tyre quality wether it is special run of motogp tyres or a "normal" tyre. That why they have waranties etc. We dont push our normal tyres to the limit contiuously to be abe to discern the difference. If we one day have an incident we cant say that it was defietly the tyre(compared to the last 200 times we have come round that corner). I think the variations in performance we sometimes see may be the normal variation in the tyre quality.

[jato]

Martin has a tall order this weekend... I've been deeply impressed by his efforts this year, not so much by shadowing Bagnaia yesterday... but the alarm could be getting set to watch the sprint race at 3am .

[diesel pig]

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"

Someone forgot to plug in the back tyre warmer.

I have to agree. Also I think lot of the world's problems are caused people reading evil into what is ready stupidity.

[iYRe]

Martin has a tall order this weekend... I've been deeply impressed by his efforts this year, not so much by shadowing Bagnaia yesterday... but the alarm could be getting set to watch the sprint race at 3am .

Sprint was great.. shows you how much MM has been holding back on that honda.

[jato]

another nail biting sprint that was - its been a while since i've heard the spectators making more din than the bikes (i suppose the spanish are a bit excitable though). Martin still has a tall order as all Bagnaia needs to do is finish 5th to wrap it up. Did we notice that MM doesn't give a rats about the guys trying to secure a championship.. hope he doesn't clean out anyone tonight. where's that alarm clock...

[BMWST?]

even fifth is far from certain. Alex(73) ,the vr46 bikes ,Binder is all it would take . Zarco,and Vinales as well. Mind you a lot of Ducatis there

[onearmedbandit]

even fifth is far from certain. Alex(73) ,the vr46 bikes ,Binder is all it would take . Zarco,and Vinales as well. Mind you a lot of Ducatis there

The VR46 riders will most likely protect their fellow VR46 academy rider rather than attack him.

[BMWST?]

The VR46 riders will most likely protect their fellow VR46 academy rider rather than attack him.

sure,i suspect ALL the Ducati riders will receive some suggestions.

[sugilite]

Yeah, mapping - 1 :lol:

[iYRe]

Congrats to Pecco.. Hope MM is well enough to do his test ride this week, pretty sure everyone wants to see that.

[Reckless]

The class showed through :2thumbsup Great Ride Pecco and an entertaining season.

JM overrode to many fuckups this race :ar15:

Hope Diggia gets a job at Vr46 he is on fire. I think his engine was just holding together.

The Marshels need a rocket up their arse with the Binder loose a position cock up.

Oh Jack Not good mate.

Vinales going backwards again

Not sure why Taka keeps getting contracts

So many crashes hope MM is ok.

Good enjoyable season lets see how much MotoGP tries to sting us for next year :(

We have quite a few swaps to see how the riders go on different bikes

[roogazza]

354048xxxxxx

[BMWST?]

pretty sure 49 was smoking from the right hand side for most of the race. I wonder if that contributed to some of the crashes.I thought i saw home look down right at the finish?

[iYRe]

Diggia was docked a place due to tyre pressure - Binder gets 3rd.

[sugilite]

Digi has been hired by VR46 for 24!
Talk about taking ones own destiny in ones hands.
Congratulations to that fine young man :yes:

https://www.the-race.com/motogp/2024-motogp-grid-complete-vr46-ducati-fabio-di-giannantonio/

[onearmedbandit]

Latest update showing MM in 3rd in testing, behind his brother in first and BB in second. Too early to read anything into it but at least it's a decent start.

[iYRe]

Latest update showing MM in 3rd in testing, behind his brother in first and BB in second. Too early to read anything into it but at least it's a decent start.
Ended up third and 2nd fastest Duc behind Bezz.
Looking smooth and happy, according to the reports. I doubt he has come close to wringing its neck yet.

[F5 Dave]

Only watched it last night.

Was going to say, JM tried to knobable the 2024 champion as his last act, when it became obvious he couldn't do anything about the 2023 champion. ;)

[Autech]

Firstly sorry for the lack of contribution this season from yours truly. I still love you all.

I'll give the season my sum up and my thoughts for next year for those that cbf to read it.

This season:
Ducati miles ahead from sharing data, the other teams need to pay attention and do the same to bridge the gap

Ktm, fucking good bike, just against 8 great bikes

Aprilia. Jack of all trades, still needs some battle ammunition like late braking
Yamaha, LOL
Honsa, extra LOL with Lol on top..

Next season predictions:
DUCATI:
MM to fuck them up for the first 1/4 of the year till the GP14 gits gud, then he's in trouble
Morb to win 2 races
Digia to smoke AM most rounds
Aprilia: not a lot, I love Aleix but no chance of tbe decent result imo.
Yamaha, Rins to win at COTA
KTM to do bad bad things with Acosta



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[onearmedbandit]

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6 minutes of Marquez Magic

[F5 Dave]

Firstly sorry for the lack of contribution this season from yours truly. I still love you all.

I'll give the season my sum up and my thoughts for next year for those that cbf to read it.

This season:
Ducati miles ahead from sharing data, the other teams need to pay attention and do the same to bridge the gap

Ktm, fucking good bike, just against 8 great bikes

Aprilia. Jack of all trades, still needs some battle ammunition like late braking
Yamaha, LOL
Honsa, extra LOL with Lol on top..

Next season predictions:
DUCATI:
MM to fuck them up for the first 1/4 of the year till the GP14 gits gud, then he's in trouble
Morb to win 2 races
Digia to smoke AM most rounds
Aprilia: not a lot, I love Aleix but no chance of tbe decent result imo.
Yamaha, Rins to win at COTA
KTM to do bad bad things with Acosta



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Well I didn't realise that I missed you, almost as if I'd not noticed. Until now. When I feel a welling up of emotions running over and a longing , almost emptiness, in my heart ❤️.

Actually a good summary. ;)

[sugilite]

Ended up third and 2nd fastest Duc behind Bezz.
Looking smooth and happy, according to the reports. I doubt he has come close to wringing its neck yet.

Yes, MM was looking very, very smooth. And he was riding only 2 days after a nasty high side and would of been badly bruised for sure.
The other Ducati riders were looking at his data and asking how the hell he was taking turn 8 without appearing to brake for it!
Wait until he gets to know the bike better and starts exploiting it's strengths and over riding it's weaknesses as only he currently can do.

Though something tells me MM better hurry up and get that Rossi equaling world championship under his belt before alien in waiting Acosta gets busy......

https://media.gettyimages.com/id/1818728511/photo/motogp-test-in-valencia.webp?s=2048x2048&w=gi&k=20&c=xjKjV-ukFuqEMlu8-b7CGk9_fVx4orjByWtJjciKmWs=


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtDUBrkOAbBrjhtaus2EjnLLqrs192n pKjsi7_5SRQ_vSFLI9zcA4VZBWl0rLAAfO4Gq0&usqp=CAU
Acosta "backing it in" in his first ride on a motogp bike!

[iYRe]

Though something tells me MM better hurry up and get that Rossi equaling world championship under his belt before alien in waiting Acosta gets busy......

Yep, for sure. Be great if he could get 2 - beating Rossi I think, would be his goal lol

[pritch]

As we know the Ducati riders all share data. Apparently the other Ducati riders were all keen to check MM's data. He took it easy, but even so he was fastest Ducati through one of the turns.

He's been under the knife again, this time for arm pump surgery. His arms must be all scar tissue.

The "Oxley Bom MotoGP podcast" is worth a listen.

[mulletman]

Anyone know if TVNZ (app) will have MGP next year ?

[BMWST?]

Anyone know if TVNZ (app) will have MGP next year ?
i would guess no....it only came about cos spark pulled out. Only a guess but i would say it will be sky again

[iYRe]

‘It should be considered that Marc doesn’t have a contract with Ducati. He has a contract with Gresini, and we are not involved in these kinds of considerations. But from what I see, Marc is one of the most important riders in the history of world motorcycling. End of story’.

From an interview about why MM doesnt have the latest Ducati - he swapped too late and isnt a Ducati rider officially.

[onearmedbandit]

Ducati have stated numerous times that only Pramac and the factory team get the current gen bikes.

[Reckless]

I was reading an article this morning with Ducati saying in 2024 the gap between the factory and customer bikes will be larger.

[onearmedbandit]

I was reading an article this morning with Ducati saying in 2024 the gap between the factory and customer bikes will be larger.

Don't the satellite non-factory supported teams get last years factory bikes?

[Reckless]

Here you go finally had time to find the article
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042884/1/gigi-ducati-factorysatellite-difference-bit-higher-2024

[onearmedbandit]

Ah, so they still are factory bikes, just he's saying the gap will be bigger between the 23/24 bikes than it was with the 22/23 versions.

[F5 Dave]

Probably just saying that to let Pecco know they are behind him.

Of course MM is now used to being the underdog, so that will just add a little fuel to his fire. But he's so much closer than he was on the Ronda.

[BMWST?]

the gap between th 23 and 24 bikes may also mean they will take aaliitle more time to dial them in .I predict some hard moves between MM and Martin. I am already excited!:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[jato]

another interesting read from mat oxley https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/can-motogps-last-inline-four-motorcycle-survive/
a bit of fiestyness in the comments from an old F1 engineer - minor differences at play imo re pumping losses and friction etc. the desmo top end is surely worth a few k's on the ducati. do the others all use springs?

[Grumph]

AFAIK everything except the Ducati uses pneumatics in the valve train. The desmo will I think still give a little more area under the curve as it can lift and close valves faster. This in theory should mean a wider power band. But electronics are probably the limiting factor in tuning for rideability.

[Autech]

another interesting read from mat oxley https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/can-motogps-last-inline-four-motorcycle-survive/
a bit of fiestyness in the comments from an old F1 engineer - minor differences at play imo re pumping losses and friction etc. the desmo top end is surely worth a few k's on the ducati. do the others all use springs?Yeah what a douchebag.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/why-are-motogp-v4s-faster-than-inline-4s/

We've seen it with our own eyes for years, the V4s absolutely make more power as even when the L4s had exit grip the second the ducatis n Hondas hooked 4th, 5th 6th they fucked off big time.


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[iYRe]

The following is a list of Rookie racers who were able to achieve victory in the MotoGP era:

1. DANI PEDROSA
- Debut year: 2006
- Team defended: Repsol Honda
- First win: Chinese MotoGP at the Shanghai Park Circuit
- Number of trophies: 8 podiums, including 2 wins
- Ranking in the final standings of the season: 5th place (215 points)
2. JORGE LORENZO
- Debut year: 2008
- Team defended: Fiat Yamaha
- First win: MotoGP Portugal at the Estoril Circuit
- Number of trophies: 6 podiums, including 1 win
- Ranking in the final standings of the season: 4th place (190 points)
3. MARC MARQUEZ
- Debut year: 2013
- Team defended: Repsol Honda
- First win: MotoGP Austin at Circuit of the Americas
- Number of trophies: 16 podiums, including 6 wins
- Ranking in the final standings of the season: Champion (334 points)
4. BRAD BINDER
- Debut year: 2020
- Team defended: Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
- First win: Czech MotoGP at Automotodrom Brno
- Number of trophies: 1 podium, including 1 win
- Ranking in the final standings of the season: 11th place (87 points)
5. JORGE MARTIN
- Debut year: 2021
- Team defended: Pramac Racing
- First win: MotoGP Styria at the Red Bull Ring Circuit
- Number of trophies: 4 podiums, including 1 win
- Ranking in the final standings of the season: 9th place (111 points)

[Autech]

Acosta will be on that list I think

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[iYRe]

Acosta will be on that list I think


Yeah, it was on his page on facebook with a note saying will he be next.

MM's stats are mind boggling though - 6 wins v 2 (next highest), 16 podiums v 8 (next highest).

He admits his best years are past now, but sheesh.

[F5 Dave]

Every year it becomes more likely to high score as there are many more races, let alone the Sprints. At the end of a season a rookie will be twice as experienced as that of a decade ago. Probably.

[Reckless]

2024 thread has been started Ladies :)

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/189987-MotoGP-2024