MotoGP 2023

[Reckless]

OK so time for Moto GP 2023

Thought I'd go back to a MotoGp subscription for 2023 instead of spark so I can watch the conferences that spark don't show and also with the new sprint races.
BUT
I can only see a monthly sub for 29.99 Euro that's $600NZD a year Bloody hell it was 180 euro annually in 2021.

Any others on an annual sub finding this?

351931

Secondly
Sprint races next year good Idea or bad????

[onearmedbandit]

Secondly
Sprint races next year good Idea or bad????

Ask DORNA and they'll say it's a great way to rejuvenate the sport and keep it fresh. Ask the riders and they'll almost unanimously say it's merde. Personally, I'd rather it be left the way it is. One big race for the weekend.

[mulletman]

Been offered this

[SaferRides]

Edit: Cyber Monday sale has finished.

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[pritch]

People have been telling me that Spark is likely to fold and I was thinking that I'd just go back to Dorna. Not at $600 though.
They want 25 Euros just for the pre season. No thanks.

[Reckless]

Yeh Pritch the promo says 5 euro when you click the link its 25 euro bloody silly.



Been offered this

Did you pay and join Mullet??
Thats what made me decide to go back on GP site but of coarse I didn't click on it and pay at the time DUH.
Be an interesting 2023 season with rider changes etc

Ah well hopefully racing is not till next March we will get some sensible pricing from Dorna or we will all be watching WSBK lol

[F5 Dave]

Sheesh, we'll have to chip in for mates subscription.

Sprint races mean we'll have later nights going around there, and it could just be like watching a spoiler for the main event.

Actually I might just not watch them.

[BMWST?]

I see that they have "merged" the wsbk site and motogp site,your motogp identity will now get you wsbk and motogp content


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This change will allow you to access both accounts with one username and password.

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Please be aware that during the process there may be some difficulties with accessing accounts. We will do everything in our power so that this process has as little impact on your experience as possible and you do not have to wait to access any of the portals.

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[SaferRides]

OK so time for Moto GP 2023

Thought I'd go back to a MotoGp subscription for 2023 instead of spark so I can watch the conferences that spark don't show and also with the new sprint races.
BUT
I can only see a monthly sub for 29.99 Euro that's $600NZD a year Bloody hell it was 180 euro annually in 2021.

Any others on an annual sub finding this?

351931

Secondly
Sprint races next year good Idea or bad????If you buy the preseason Videopass, it automatically renews for the 2023 season at €115.99.

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[Reckless]

Cheers buddy thats not so bad :)
How do we find out about that did you buy and that was emailed to you after?

[SaferRides]

This comes up if you choose the pre-season pass. I don't know whether you can wait until March and pay the same price, €25 for the pre- season seems a bit rude given how few test days there are now.


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[denill]

Nothing to do with ignition, but they have pulled the plug, (pun intended) so in the unlikely event SKY pick it up, it’s gonna be Dorna

[BMWST?]

Nothing to do with ignition, but they have pulled the plug, (pun intended) so in the unlikely event SKY pick it up, it’s gonna be Dorna
Spark have some agreement with TVNZ so if spark have got the rights for this year it may be on TVNZ after Spark stop which is July i think

[sugilite]

Changed the manager - check.
Changed the team - check.
Now he just needs to work on changing the "Vinales" and he will be good to go.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1018328/1/vinales-was-left-disillusioned-yamaha-time-aprilia-will-come

[Reckless]

Changed the manager - check.
Changed the team - check.
Now he just needs to work on changing the "Vinales" and he will be good to go.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1018328/1/vinales-was-left-disillusioned-yamaha-time-aprilia-will-come

This line caught my eye
"More than MotoGP or the paddock, what motivates me is the hunger to win. And I think that this is not lost, you are born with it."

Should you love racing and the sport first and foremost????
Like MM or especially Rossi seem to. :devil2:
Maybe that is Issue holding him back and why his head gets so screwed up :weird:

[pritch]

This morning I received an email informing me that Isle of Man TT tickets make the perfect last minute gift.

Perhaps not quite?

[Zarkov]

I asked Sky if they're picking up MotoGP, and they said they're negotiating for it atm.

Picking they'll leave it till the last moment to get the best price so we won't know till closer to the start of the season.

Wouldn't hurt to let them know you're interested, if you're already a subscriber.

[BMWST?]

I asked Sky if they're picking up MotoGP, and they said they're negotiating for it atm.

Picking they'll leave it till the last moment to get the best price so we won't know till closer to the start of the season.

Wouldn't hurt to let them know you're interested, if you're already a subscriber.
yeah they leave it so late i think we missed the first round a couple of times

[iYRe]

Lots of interesting stuff here:
Losing fast laps if tire pressures are off
more warning lights on the dash etc..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzxdZjVzGoY

[iYRe]

Another good one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pxqQ4gOVq4

[SaferRides]

I asked Sky if they're picking up MotoGP, and they said they're negotiating for it atm.

Picking they'll leave it till the last moment to get the best price so we won't know till closer to the start of the season.

Wouldn't hurt to let them know you're interested, if you're already a subscriber.I read somewhere that all of the MotoGP content will be gone from Spark after 31 December.

Hopefully Sky will sort out their streaming platform soon. I have my name down for the new Sky set top box, but it wouldn't be needed if their streaming was as good as Spark.

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[actungbaby]

I asked Sky if they're picking up MotoGP, and they said they're negotiating for it atm.

Picking they'll leave it till the last moment to get the best price so we won't know till closer to the start of the season.

Wouldn't hurt to let them know you're interested, if you're already a subscriber.Thanks joined spark for motogp
Wifes n charge sky .but joined
Sky sport know when motogp
Finished watch world cup.football so renew sub march.

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[actungbaby]

I read somewhere that all of the MotoGP content will be gone from Spark after 31 December.

Hopefully Sky will sort out their streaming platform soon. I have my name down for the new Sky set top box, but it wouldn't be needed if their streaming was as good as Spark.

Sent from my SM-S906E using TapatalkSpark was good but i had turn down quailty where i was boarding .i watch on my phone
So keep the peace with the wife.
Sparksport know seemed fine.
Though seem turn quailty down
On world cup football when
Was final.

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[jato]

Another good read from Mat Oxley while we wait for the new season ... https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/motogp-tech-development-when-imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery?v=8e3eb2c69a18

[iYRe]

Another good read from Mat Oxley while we wait for the new season ... https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/motogp-tech-development-when-imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery?v=8e3eb2c69a18


From that article, Spencer seems a lot like Marquez - although MM does a lot of research and testing, more about the ability thing

[SaferRides]

And this also from Matt Oxley. 2023 could be the last year of the inline 4 in MotoGP.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/yamahas-2023-yzr-m1-last-chance-for-the-inline-four?utm_campaign=2469054_ED_MotoGP-100123-+Yamaha&utm_medium=email&utm_source=emailCampaign&dm_i=4DIP%2C1GX4U%2C7CTOB2%2C6T73P%2C1&v=8e3eb2c69a18

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[BMWST?]

This line caught my eye
"More than MotoGP or the paddock, what motivates me is the hunger to win. And I think that this is not lost, you are born with it."

Should you love racing and the sport first and foremost????
Like MM or especially Rossi seem to. :devil2:
Maybe that is Issue holding him back and why his head gets so screwed up :weird:

somewhat late reply. He is fast, but i think he needs the bike to feel very good right from the start. He seems to have particular trouble right at he start when the tank is full and the tyrs are coldish.

[Reckless]

Never listened to one of these before But Simon Crafar being on made me give it a go :Punk:.

Damn good info and opinion on this
https://motopg.fireside.fm/88?fbclid=IwAR3ur26qcZDPDT1zGpMrQT_hXj0PLlvYBe18If 9aUvP8eCaIclV1znviMiI
I did Motovudu with him at Hamton a few years ago and like him and his coverage.
Put the earphones on while working (Like me) or Grab a cuppa and have a relax.


BMWST?
Have a listen at 1:15 in what Simon says about Martin maybe its the same for Mavarick??
We just assume they know it all and don't even think they don't know about bike set up.

[denill]

Damn good info and opinion on this
https://motopg.fireside.fm/88?fbclid=IwAR3ur26qcZDPDT1zGpMrQT_hXj0PLlvYBe18If 9aUvP8eCaIclV1znviMiI


Yep that Podcast is priceless with his unique depth of knowledge. Really enjoyed hearing him relate on his extraordinary Donnington race..

Simon is a huge asset to Dorna and it may be remembered that a number on here viciously slagged him off.

[actungbaby]

And this also from Matt Oxley. 2023 could be the last year of the inline 4 in MotoGP.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/yamahas-2023-yzr-m1-last-chance-for-the-inline-four?utm_campaign=2469054_ED_MotoGP-100123-+Yamaha&utm_medium=email&utm_source=emailCampaign&dm_i=4DIP%2C1GX4U%2C7CTOB2%2C6T73P%2C1&v=8e3eb2c69a18

Sent from my SM-S906E using TapatalkI think need change go 3 cylinder or change something
Be lower rev limits .open tires
The sprint races not having
Classed gp win seems stubid.
If no chance title rider chould
Just sit sprint out.say he hurt.

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[HenryDorsetCase]

.... we will get some sensible pricing from Dorna or we will all be watching WSBK lol

Its better racing anyway.

[actungbaby]

If Honda hrc dont work.i tune out. Mind u not same anymore.
Diffrent era .riders
Maybe the era of european brands like .50s everthing changes .doesint intrest me
Triumph only brand i buy besides honda.


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[iYRe]

If Honda hrc dont work.i tune out. Mind u not same anymore.
Diffrent era .riders
Maybe the era of european brands like .50s everthing changes .doesint intrest me
Triumph only brand i buy besides honda.


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My Father in law is over here from the USA... took him to harley shop so he could get himself an NZ t shirt. He has a harley, of course. While there, I walked out the door into a Rocket 3 (new one) and thought to myself, why ride one of those when you could ride this? (I'm on my second triumph now).

Imagine MM on a ducati?

[F5 Dave]

If Honda hrc dont work.i tune out. Mind u not same anymore.
Diffrent era .riders
Maybe the era of european brands like .50s everthing changes .doesint intrest me
Triumph only brand i buy besides honda.
5

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Marketing departments must sit around slapping each other on the backs when they meet people they can control as easily as you.

[pritch]

If Honda hrc dont work.i tune out. Mind u not same anymore.
Diffrent era .riders
Maybe the era of european brands like .50s everthing changes .doesint intrest me
Triumph only brand i buy besides honda.


But you must love Moto2?

[F5 Dave]

Never listened to one of these before But Simon Crafar being on made me give it a go :Punk:.

Damn good info and opinion on this
https://motopg.fireside.fm/88?fbclid=IwAR3ur26qcZDPDT1zGpMrQT_hXj0PLlvYBe18If 9aUvP8eCaIclV1znviMiI
I did Motovudu with him at Hamton a few years ago and like him and his coverage.
Put the earphones on while working (Like me) or Grab a cuppa and have a relax.


BMWST?
Have a listen at 1:15 in what Simon says about Martin maybe its the same for Mavarick??
We just assume they know it all and don't even think they don't know about bike set up.

Finally had time to listen to this. Well worth it, although one guy is a bit annoying.

[iYRe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pULj9eDeODY A bit of Jack Miller having some flat track fun

[onearmedbandit]

Damn that boy's quick.

[Reckless]

Impressive Miller wasn't holding back. :banana:
I bet KTM were shitting themselves about an injury LOL

[Reckless]

It all on now Lads :niceone::first::headbang::banana::2thumbsup

Looks like the final pricing for the season is Finally up.
Been waiting to see how much benefit the early buy preseason @ 24.99e would affect the full season pass.

Looks like about $13.57nzd (but you will have had access to MotoGP site early). as long as they do the same next year we know how the options will work.

Option 1: Pre season plus renewal is 24.99 + 115.99 = 140-98euro = $239.01 NZD

Option 2: Full Pass 148.99euro = $252.58 NZD

Lets get it on :girlfight::clap::headbang:

352359[ATTA

[Autech]

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana:

Sorry been absent from the forum for a bit.

FUCKING CAN'T WAIT!!!

So the verdict is the dorna pass? I'd already decided to can Spark after they included adverts you couldn't skip in my paid content, so lets go Dorna!

[actungbaby]

It all on now Lads :niceone::first::headbang::banana::2thumbsup

Looks like the final pricing for the season is Finally up.
Been waiting to see how much benefit the early buy preseason @ 24.99e would affect the full season pass.

Looks like about $13.57nzd (but you will have had access to MotoGP site early). as long as they do the same next year we know how the options will work.

Option 1: Pre season plus renewal is 24.99 + 115.99 = 140-98euro = $239.01 NZD

Option 2: Full Pass 148.99euro = $252.58 NZD

Lets get it on :girlfight::clap::headbang:

352359[ATTAAm going renew spark sport seems going keep streaming
Motogp for few months .

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[SaferRides]

Sepang testing highlights on Spark so looks like it will keep going until they shut down. I watch WRC on spark, so it's worth the $25 per month for me.

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[SaferRides]

I wasn't paying attention last month and missed this:
Ken Kawauchi, Suzuki's long-time technical boss, will become HRC's new technical manager for the 2023 season.





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[pritch]

I've checked for mention on KB but haven't seen it. Prime Video are advertising a series "Marc Marquez - All In". There is chat about this on Brit and Oz social media but it is available here as well.

I haven't seen any of it yet but here goes...

[iYRe]

I've checked for mention on KB but haven't seen it. Prime Video are advertising a series "Marc Marquez - All In". There is chat about this on Brit and Oz social media but it is available here as well.

I haven't seen any of it yet but here goes...


Ooh, something to watch tomorrow!

[pritch]

Ooh, something to watch tomorrow!

You need to turn the subtitles on right at the start.

[iYRe]

You need to turn the subtitles on right at the start.


Good to know!

[iYRe]

Well, that was worth watching. FWIW, if you use the english overdub, the voice is Wilmer Velderama (Fez from that 70's show lol).

[roogazza]

1st round WSB Phillip Is , starting today.

watched highlights of 2022 the other night,after not seeing one race last year.

Might be better than GP's ,who knows ?? :shifty: :mellow:

[jato]

Similar thoughts here - watched a few of last seasons highlights and thought it may well be worth following. Having read some of Mat Oxleys articles about the extent of rider aids (redundancy?) with the moto gp bikes these days some of the spectacle is losing it shine.

[iYRe]

On The crash podcast they were saying WSBK might be overtaking motogp now.

[Reckless]

Now that Dorna own both they should do a special subscription for both WSBK and MotoGP together :banana::Playnice:

I still haven't joined up with either at this time :sweatdrop:brick:

[pritch]

I still haven't joined up with either at this time :sweatdrop:brick:

Me too. Procrastination rulez.

[iYRe]

private torrent tracker ftw.

[onearmedbandit]

private torrent tracker ftw.

It ain't live though.

[iYRe]

It ain't live though.

Apart from philip island I cant watch it live anyway... :P

[SaferRides]

Sky has WSBK but you'd never know unless you search for it. Hopefully there will be more than 3 race winners this year!

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[roogazza]

enjoyed the WSB after not bothering last year.

Bautista looks a standout and the rest are close. Tiny little fella Bautista (I first saw him in 125's and 250's years ago.) Thats got to help even more, the rocket Doocatis.

Sky coverage was pretty good. Ch 55 if you are looking.

I suspect the Motogp will be much the same with everyone close. :msn-wink: :rolleyes:

[jellywrestler]

How many Moto GP enthusiasts are headig to Hampton downs this weekend to have a chat with Simon Crafar?

[F5 Dave]

Actually I listened to part 1 of the Crafer interview on Rustys Garage podcast. Looking forward to part 2 as I didn't know about his Hard Enduro exploits till recently. Respect there.

[pritch]

it seems I have until the end of the month to shell out for the Dorna deal.

It has been said that WSBK fans support their brand, GP fans support a rider. I'll try GPs this year without being a fan of anybody in particular. We'll see...

[iYRe]

Interesting note from the Crash podcast today. According to MM's ohlins and michelin techs, MM's feedback when he comes back to the pits matches the telemetry almost exactly. They both considered this surprising as riders of his ability tend to counter any issues with their ability and dont often know what is going on development wise.

Fascinating stuff.

[Reckless]

Hey guys about to sign up to catch this test session.

The added timing pass is another 17 bucks (not an Issue) but is it worth having, or is it just a distraction from the race??
I usually cast from my phone as the bedroom TV is not smart enough and the smart TV is a pain much easier to just use the chromecast.
I am guessing I'd have to have my laptop with me as another screen for all the timing stuff?
I am thinking the best way would be to cast the race from the phone to the chromecast and have my Surface for the live timing.

I'd hate to be fiddling with the timing pass screen and miss a pass or accident.
Just hoping to tap into another KB member who has been there done that.

[SaferRides]

Portimao test is over. Spark Sport has highlights and After the Flag.

Ducati still fastest, but Yamaha were 3rd on day 2.

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[BMWST?]

top speeds are wierd MM is about 3rd with 336 but the other hondas are all at the bottom of the list

[iYRe]

top speeds are wierd MM is about 3rd with 336 but the other hondas are all at the bottom of the list
he's an alien and has managed to find some technology to manipulate gravity.. they said it couldnt be done..

[SaferRides]

top speeds are wierd MM is about 3rd with 336 but the other hondas are all at the bottom of the listHonda was doing a lot of testing, plus Mir and Rins are still learning the bike. So don't read too much into their times or top speed.

Rins was quite happy as the bike wasn't as bad as he expected!

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[onearmedbandit]

https://youtu.be/-XHc-mDjzaA

[iYRe]

MM did 336 which was right up there, but he had given up testing and was doing race practice. He reckons 5-10 is all he can expect. But he's the only real alien in the field, so.. who knows.

I feel its going to be a ducati wrought this year. I wanna see people doing stuff and everyone goes HTF did they do that? Not a tramline of ducati's with a winner decided by the team or who ever can make their tires last best. This could be boring.

[SaferRides]

Bastianini on a factory Ducati should be well worth watching. Marquez will find something, and Quartararo has the engine Yamaha should have made last season. No, it won't be boring!

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[iYRe]

I guess we dont have to wait too long to find out.

[Grumph]

So Honda are going to get Kalex to build them a chassis. Good way to get fresh ideas and a prototype without distracting the race team during the season IMO.

Pretty apparent that left to their own ideas Honda simply will not progress.

[Southern scratcher]

Im sure this has already been asked but does anyone know what format MotoGP will be shown on this season (Spark or sky) or will I need to subscribe?

[Reckless]

Im sure this has already been asked but does anyone know what format MotoGP will be shown on this season (Spark or sky) or will I need to subscribe?

Spark are closing on 1st of July so you won't get a full season from them only the first eight race meetings.

“We are communicating to our Spark Sport customers today to thank them for their support, to explain the change, and to reassure them that they can continue to access Spark Sport as they normally do until 1 July 2023.

I cut my Spark as soon as I heard this to save my monthly sub up for MotoGP Sub which means I am $100 or so ahead. I don't think Sky NZ has MotoGP.

MotoGP sub is $139 Euro or $240 NZD for full cover incl all race meetings, Riders conferences and after the flag.

[Kendog]

My MotoGP sub auto renews, and charged $215.53 on Wednesday.

[pritch]

Well there isn't another golden eagle day prior to the 27th so I guess it's time to pay the piper. Just checked that my log in worked (it didn't) so that's sorted. Now all that remains is to dust off the Visa card.

[Reckless]

Well there isn't another golden eagle day prior to the 27th so I guess it's time to pay the piper. Just checked that my log in worked (it didn't) so that's sorted. Now all that remains is to dust off the Visa card.

yep signed up 2 hours ago Bankcard shows $252.69 I guess that year with Sparksport cost me first timers rate (live timing pass NOT included) :violin: LMAO

[george formby]

Did I just notice that there is a round in Kazakhstan?

[F5 Dave]

Next will be in Uzbekistan. Followed by East Korea. You read it here first.

[Southern scratcher]

Did I just notice that there is a round in Kazakhstan?
Borat is the MC for the wkd.

[pritch]

Well paying the subscription was more complicated than it needed to be. Was starting to think fuckem before the site suddenly woke up and took my money. As at today the debit is yet to arrive in my Visa account.

[george formby]

Borat is the MC for the wkd.

Ees nice, I like.

[Reckless]

Well paying the subscription was more complicated than it needed to be. Was starting to think fuckem before the site suddenly woke up and took my money. As at today the debit is yet to arrive in my Visa account.

Pritch I thought I'd paid via my Login page with MotoGP. I waited 4-5 days for it to show and it never did on my bankcard.
Second time my authorised banckcard wouldn't work again? It kept going nowhere.
In the end I had to pay via Paypal option. Funny enough with the same damn bankcard???
GO figure????
When I finally got it to work it was pretty much instant.

Check here on your log in it should show.
Annoys me it only shows "Fan Since 2021" its been years, but you can't sweat the small stuff in this world LOL :brick:

BTW you can disable Auto re subscription here as well.

352634

Damn glad I didn't leave all the above till race weekend.

[pritch]

Pritch I thought I'd paid via my Login page with MotoGP. I waited 4-5 days for it to show and it never did on my bankcard.
Second time my authorised banckcard wouldn't work again? It kept going nowhere.
In the end I had to pay via Paypal option. Funny enough with the same damn bankcard???




Interesting. The site says I've paid and my account shows as enabled but there has been no movement on my bankcard. I was thinking maybe the bankcard people were waiting for a more advantageous exchange rate. I don't want to pay this twice so I'll maybe ask Dorna wassup. I do have a Paypal account and will use that if I have to do another lap.

Thanks for the tip.

[BMWST?]

had a look today. I have had acess before but the link i clicked was(round figures) 138 euro for video pass and 148 euro for videopass PLUS timing pass Thats about 240 NZ for video pass. I wonder whats happens if you try the trial for round one then suscribe

[jellywrestler]

Borat is the MC for the wkd.

with his prostitue sisters grid girls?

[george formby]

My MotoGP sub auto renews, and charged $215.53 on Wednesday.

I shall bear that in mind next season, I renewed earlier in the hope of having a Tissot watch in the post box. $238.87 or there abouts.

Sneaky turd burglars.

Or is that the postage for my new watch?

[BMWST?]

I shall bear that in mind next season, I renewed earlier in the hope of having a Tissot watch in the post box. $238.87 or there abouts.

Sneaky turd burglars.

Or is that the postage for my new watch?

I am afraid not.Those numbers look exactly the same as my mumblings above

[pritch]

I paid the Video sub on the 18th. The charges arrived in my Visa account sometime last night the 22nd: $242.51 plus $5.58 offshore service margins, total $248.09.
Ah well that's way less than I was paying for SKY...

[Reckless]

Jeepers 5 hours of shows and Rider press conferences. :headbang:
Going over new format show, In depth with new MotoGP boss Carlos show by the looks.
Prob just Listen/watch the Press conferences with the riders while working but Heaps of stuff to consume.
Didn't get that on Spark lol

Damn I wish I could retire :crazy:


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[Impossible.Astronaut]

Anyone aware of the first sprint race being officially streamed for free? Thought I read that somewhere...




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[iYRe]

This could be interesting... Miller breaks the lap record: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2023/03/24/miller-friday-stunner-sets-new-portimao-lap-record/450117

[mulletman]

Not so good for Pol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyuulYT6dTs

[iYRe]

Not so good for Pol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyuulYT6dTs

That is not good..

[jato]

Looks like the alarm needs to be set early tomorrow morning to watch the first race ...4 am . no nursing tyres or saving fuel so could be an elbows out affair. Go Jack

[iYRe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDbr9h7C-Dk
New Doco on JM

[jato]

well that was a pretty exciting race... elbows out it was

[sugilite]

I was not sure how I felt about sprint races, now I do - I LOVE them! Wow, that was super exciting. Amazing rides from MM and Miller. I reckon that if KTM sort their electronics out to his liking, watch out for some race wins this year. :yes:
Though he was not my favorite personality, I still reckon MM is the best rider out there. If Honda can make 2 or 3 big steps forward, he will again be a force. If he were on a Ducati, they likely would not see which way he went.

[iYRe]

I was not sure how I felt about sprint races, now I do - I LOVE them! Wow, that was super exciting. Amazing rides from MM and Miller. I reckon that if KTM sort their electronics out to his liking, watch out for some race wins this year. :yes:
Though he was not my favorite personality, I still reckon MM is the best rider out there. If Honda can make 2 or 3 big steps forward, he will again be a force. If he were on a Ducati, they likely would not see which way he went.

That overtake...

Also, the take away from that doco on JM is that his dad is a kiwi? (or lived in NZ for a time..) shall we claim him?

[jato]

I believe Jack's mum n dad come from Dannevirke, and he has a Kiwi passport.

[iYRe]

I believe Jack's mum n dad come from Dannevirke, and he has a Kiwi passport.

We should call him PharLapJack (see what I did with that?)

[pritch]

Miller used to joke about being a Kiwi.

After that Sprint race this weekend's Safety Commission might be better attended than is usual?

[Reckless]

The whole damn weekend is better. Right from FP2 and that Miller fuck me 👍🙂. Early wake up to watch the race but that sprint will take some beating. Bags showed his class. Wow bloody good start. 🏍️❣️

[pritch]

"Longest season ever" and four riders in hospital after race 1. That arithmetic won't work.

[iYRe]

Miller used to joke about being a Kiwi.

After that Sprint race this weekend's Safety Commission might be better attended than is usual?

Start from the pits is what i have heard. Crafar said Honda need so sort their shite out. MM is always going to try and perform miracles to win, and the bike is being ridden at 110%. That's gonna end up bad... sucks for everyone really.

[jato]

easy to figure out who wins Dick of the weekend ... he's always been on that fine line but on this occasion he needs a serious reality check

[pritch]

Start from the pits is what i have heard. Crafar said Honda need so sort their shite out. MM is always going to try and perform miracles to win, and the bike is being ridden at 110%. That's gonna end up bad... sucks for everyone really.

Two long laps. Marquez' says his front brake locked the wheel so he let go the brake and bam! It's not totally stupid but there was an accident so there has to be a penalty.
That and a suspected broken finger.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2023/03/26/injured-marquez-receives-sanction-after-portimao-incident/450930

[Autech]

Sprint race: Kinda good viewing but already have 1 rider out because of a crash caused by someone else. This is just the beginning, we'll be losing riders to injury every weekend. I didn't watch qualifying as there was a race to watch, so they got the same amount of viewing from me.

GP: Marquez, greatest rider ever etc etc... Fuckwit. Pretty good viewing though overall, just soured by MM being a bit ambitious once again. Miguel was on for a good result :( The scary thing to take away is I think Bagniaia had more in the tank, the doocatis gunna be even harder to beat this year.

[Reckless]

Damn good viewing basically increased it to two days viewing for me rather than the Q sessions and the race.

Bags looked too good in both races he is going to be hard to beat.
Really good racing with a heck of a lot of guys in the mix Aprilia etc and ones we didn't expect like the KTM's.
With some riders still very fresh to their new bikes.
I think that was one of the best MotoGP weekends I have seen in a while.

One thing I have really missed when with Sparksport is the rider conferences and the Q&A after.
This one a MUST Watch if you have a subscription. https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2023/03/26/grande-premio-tissot-de-portugal-press-conference/450924
Some really good rider opinions on MM, that corner and the weekend as a whole. Impressed again how Bagnia handled himself in this environment as well.

How the hell can we fit watching Moto2 and 3 in on top?? I got bikes to work on Jeepers? Track day on Thursday :eek:


UPdate: Marquez to miss Argentina GP
After surgery to repair the broken first metacarpal in his right hand, Marc Marquez will miss the second round.
Tags MotoGP, 2023, GRAN PREMIO MICHELIN® DE LA REPÚBLICA ARGENTINA, Marc Marquez
Upon returning to Spain for further checks, Marc Marquez was diagnosed with a displaced intrarticular fracture of the base of the first metacarpal of the thumb of the right hand. The #93 immediately underwent surgery at the Ruber Internacional Hospital in Madrid with Dr. Ignacio Roger de Oña leading a team consisting of Dr. Samuel Antuña and Dr. Andrea Garcia Villanueva.

[pritch]

UPdate: Marquez to miss Argentina GP
After surgery to repair the broken first metacarpal in his right hand, Marc Marquez will miss the second round.
Tags MotoGP, 2023, GRAN PREMIO MICHELIN® DE LA REPÚBLICA ARGENTINA, Marc Marquez
Upon returning to Spain for further checks, Marc Marquez was diagnosed with a displaced intrarticular fracture of the base of the first metacarpal of the thumb of the right hand. The #93 immediately underwent surgery at the Ruber Internacional Hospital in Madrid with Dr. Ignacio Roger de Oña leading a team consisting of Dr. Samuel Antuña and Dr. Andrea Garcia Villanueva.

And since his double long lap penalty specifically mentioned Argentina, that would appear to be that.

[iYRe]

And since his double long lap penalty specifically mentioned Argentina, that would appear to be that.

Not as silly as he looks then, lol

[pritch]

Not as silly as he looks then, lol

Some are questioning the ability of the FIM stewards. "Incompetent" was one verdict.

[iYRe]

Some are questioning the ability of the FIM stewards. "Incompetent" was one verdict.

Maybe it will give honda a chance to do something with the bike so he isnt riding at 150% all the time.. only some of the time.

[Autech]

Really don't understand how Nakagami got a race ban and Marquez not?

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[iYRe]

Really don't understand how Nakagami got a race ban and Marquez not?

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He claims, and so I expect that there must be evidence of, his front wheel locking up so he had to release. That might be the mitigating factor... who knows?

[onearmedbandit]

Sprint race: Kinda good viewing but already have 1 rider out because of a crash caused by someone else. This is just the beginning, we'll be losing riders to injury every weekend. I didn't watch qualifying as there was a race to watch, so they got the same amount of viewing from me.

GP: Marquez, greatest rider ever etc etc... Fuckwit. Pretty good viewing though overall, just soured by MM being a bit ambitious once again. Miguel was on for a good result :( The scary thing to take away is I think Bagniaia had more in the tank, the doocatis gunna be even harder to beat this year.

If we take MM at his word, he says he wasn't even going for a move on Martin, that the front momentarily locked. If that's the case, and we have no evidence to the contrary, then how does a mistake make him a fuckwit?

[Reckless]

If we take MM at his word, he says he wasn't even going for a move on Martin, that the front momentarily locked. If that's the case, and we have no evidence to the contrary, then how does a mistake make him a fuckwit?

Vinales said in his post-race I posted above he saw them going in to hot and backed off to leave himself room to go up the inside, so he already saw it from behind.
Locking the front means you were in way to hot in the first place then having to release and skittle two riders.
I guess if you do it and regain yourself it's a mistake, if you knock over two riders, you're a fuckwit LOL.
The day before he's a hero for passing two bikes one corner next day a fuckwit because he knocks two out.


We all know as racers who we are a little afraid of because the red mist when the visor comes down makes them unpredictable.
I guess that might be a way they look at MM.

Update: Doesn't say what the injury is? Leg?
Injury forces Miguel Oliveira to sit out Argentina GP
The Portuguese rider won't appear in Termas after his clash with Marc Marquez in Portimao
Tags MotoGP, 2023, GRAN PREMIO MICHELIN® DE LA REPÚBLICA ARGENTINA, Miguel Oliveira
Local hero and MotoGP™ rider Miguel Oliveira will not be participating in the upcoming Argentina Grand Prix due to a recent injury. Following his crash at the Portuguese Grand Prix, Oliveira underwent further testing in his hometown where further damage have been revealed, which doesn’t allow him to start the second GP of the season.

[iYRe]

I thought it was an injury to the arm/shoulder area - they were knee down on the inside.

[Autech]

If we take MM at his word, he says he wasn't even going for a move on Martin, that the front momentarily locked. If that's the case, and we have no evidence to the contrary, then how does a mistake make him a fuckwit?Because he's been doing it for years, I remember them talking about him not leaving a margin on brakes for riders in front back in 2013. Basically he brakes in exactly the same spot regardless of traffic. If his front wheel locked I guess he wasn't leaving a margin for safety? Hence, fuckwit.

Same old Marquez unfortunately, they really need to punish him properly at some stage.

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[onearmedbandit]

Because he's been doing it for years, I remember them talking about him not leaving a margin on brakes for riders in front back in 2013. Basically he brakes in exactly the same spot regardless of traffic.

If that were the case then surely we would see him taking out riders in nearly every race, heck every time he's in traffic. As he's not then he must, for the most part, be braking in accordance with others around him? So while he's aggressive without a doubt, I saw that incident as a rider mistake, but not the act of a fuckwit. Just my opinion of course, worth nothing to no one but me.

[jellywrestler]

If that were the case then surely we would see him taking out riders in nearly every race, heck every time he's in traffic. As he's not then he must, for the most part, be braking in accordance with others around him? So while he's aggressive without a doubt, I saw that incident as a rider mistake, but not the act of a fuckwit. Just my opinion of course, worth nothing to no one but me.

dorna paid him to do it, having some shit like this go down at the first meeting will ensure many more moto gp season tickets are sold for the coverage. It's a marketing ploy, nothing more, nothing less.

[Reckless]

Interestng discussion :)

Doesn't look like he will have to serve it :no::Police:

Off Moto GP site
Injured Marquez receives sanction after Portimao incident
MotoGP™ have imposed a Double Long Lap Penalty for the Spaniard, as he receives medical treatment for a sustained right-hand injury
Following the crash during Sunday's race at the Grande Prémio TISSOT de Portugal, Marc Marquez (Repsol Honda Team) has been awarded a Double Long Lap Penalty which he will take at the next round of the MotoGP™ calendar, provided he is fit to ride.
M. Marquez wipes out Oliveira in massive crash 26/03/2023
The home hero never saw it coming as the HRC rider came from behind after clipping Jorge Martin in Portugal
The crash saw the eight-time World Champion massively out-brake himself in the early stages of the race, pushing Jorge Martin (Prima Pramac Racing) wide and crashing into Miguel Oliveira (CryptoDATA RNF MotoGP™ Team). The incident ended with Martin losing several positions, whilst Marquez and Oliveira both crashed out of the race.
"It was impossible for Marc to avoid the crash" - Puig 26/03/2023
Confirming that Marquez picked up an injury, the HRC Team Manager discussed the crash and expressed regret at how things unfolded
The FIM MotoGP™ stewards have imposed a Double Long Lap Penalty for the Gran Premio Michelin® de la República Argentina, due to what has been deemed as irresponsible riding, making the incident an infringement of Article 1.21.2 of the FIM World Championship Grand Prix Regulations.

Following the incident, both riders received medical attention. The Repsol Honda rider will receive an examination for the possibility of a fracture to the first metacarpal bone in his right hand. Whilst Miguel Oliveira had suffered from a contusion in his right leg.

The race investigation
https://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-will-never-serve-penalty-if-he-misses-argentine-gp/
There is going to be hell to pay if the Officials have stuffed up the wording on the penalty.

Internet is going wild LOL
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[onearmedbandit]

Interestng discussion :)

Doesn't look like he will have to serve it :no::Police:

Off Moto GP site
[I]Injured Marquez receives sanction after Portimao incident
MotoGP™ have imposed a Double Long Lap Penalty for the Spaniard, as he receives medical treatment for a sustained right-hand injury
Following the crash during Sunday's race at the Grande Prémio TISSOT de Portugal, Marc Marquez (Repsol Honda Team) has been awarded a Double Long Lap Penalty which he will take at the next round of the MotoGP™ calendar, provided he is fit to ride.


Wouldn't that bit there mean he has to serve it at the next race he is fit to ride in?

[onearmedbandit]

dorna paid him to do it, having some shit like this go down at the first meeting will ensure many more moto gp season tickets are sold for the coverage. It's a marketing ploy, nothing more, nothing less.

That's what I was going with but DORNA are watching everywhere so I didn't want to be the guy that spoke first.

[Reckless]

Wouldn't that bit there mean he has to serve it at the next race he is fit to ride in?

Yes the wording is contradictory stating that then naming a specific race. As Apposed the the usual wording “for the next Grand Prix event”. (should be) "the riders" next Grand Prix event.

This reply from the race supposedly confirmed by Dorna by The Race article.
The Race sought clarification from the MotoGP organisers and had it confirmed that the letter of the law states that the sanction only applies to the Argentina race.

MM might just not race or maybe race injured (if he can get through medical checks) then pull in just to clear the penalty?

Twists and turns of big money racing. MM might not get a choice Honda/Puig may even decide for him. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

Edit: Fresh news in and we have our answer

FIM Stewards: Marquez' penalty applicable for his next race
The FIM MotoGP™ Stewards Panel have confirmed Marc Marquez will serve double Long Lap Penalty at his next Grand Prix
Tags MotoGP, 2023, Marc Marquez
The FIM MotoGP™ Stewards Panel have confirmed that after it was announced Marc Marquez (Repsol Honda Team) would miss the upcoming Gran Premio Michelin® de la República Argentina through injury, his double Long Lap Penalty will be applicable for Round 3 at the Red Bull Grand Prix of The Americas.

[iYRe]

Autosport reported:


However, on Tuesday the FIM stewards issued a clarification stating Marquez would now serve the penalty at the next round he competes in “with a view to comply with the underlying intention taken” by the punishment.

[F5 Dave]

Only watched races last night, so been avoiding this thread, as I do just post every race. I loved the sprint race. Hold on? I was against it? Hmm. Next race was great too.

Common factor. The track promotes fantastic racing. Maybe chosen for that reason as the first.

Let's see a few more. I do think it cheapens the GP race a bit. But where we are at technically the racing is in a difficult position.

If they could ban all shape shifting and limit aero it would be less likely to be a procession at the front. But they can't currently. And the front tyre makes the racing a bit duller.

Maybe a 2 race sprint until the above is solved would be best even though it is a bit sacrilegious.?

[F5 Dave]

Wadding into the MM debate. . Now hold your laughing for a minute. . . much of my racing has been done riding underpowered tiny motorcycles on go kart tracks . Usually against bikes 2-3 × the capacity. Oh Dave. Please tell me you aren't trying to compare yourself to Marquez:oi-grr:. No I'm not. I'm better looking. :innocent:

But I do know the point of desperation of having to over-ride to get past a fast bike doing slower lap times than you. You have to pass them where its barely possible, ideally pulling out something beautiful. Like that inspired pass in the sprint race. That was MM at his best.

But I did think watching that crash in Sunday race: 'Oh you cretin, that was never going to work! '

The different angles did make it look like a different accident (maybe accident is the wrong word). At silly speed things happen real quick. Racers will know when you are that close bad stuff can happen. But consider, these guys are going 2× faster (4× in my case) . It's easy to armchair what they could or couldn't do.

'Course I would have put it into a slide, avoided them all, made the pass and overrode the anti wheelie control through the gears so I looked cool to the Portuguese chicks. :woohoo:

So is he still a dick? Well clearly.
Is he still a God? Also yes.

:nya:

[pritch]

Apparently the stewards have reviewed their decision and changed MM's penalty to his next race. Honda have now appealed the change. David Emmett says this should lead to the stewards being more careful with their words and more consistent.

[iYRe]

According to Crash.net this morning, its still next race he rides in, not Argentina.. I am sure honda would like it to be Argentina though lol

[Metastable]

MM has a habit of initiating contact….. even going back to beating a dead horse with Rossi at Sepang…. MM initiated the contact instead of braking for the block pass….. and there have been numerous times he has taken folks out of the race.

That’s neither here nor there in my books. What bugs me is if it were Hopkins, Stoner, Hayden, Miller, Binder, Nakagami, Oliviera….. etc there would be harsher penalties.

However the grid is almost dominated my Spaniards, Italians and French riders. Remember FIM is originally French, Dorna is Spanish and these days Ducati handles a long stick and many of the Italian riders ride for Ducati.

Personally I have nothing against Latin Europeans as I am one myself… well my grandparents anyway. However, the double standard/wrong passport bit sucks.

[iYRe]

That’s neither here nor there in my books. What bugs me is if it were Hopkins, Stoner, Hayden, Miller, Binder, Nakagami, Oliviera….. etc there would be harsher penalties.

FWIW, the thursday before the race the riders were told: first incident: long lap penalties, second incident: Pit lane start, and third, I cant remember exactly but I think it was a race ban

They couldnt give a harder penalty, although MM said he would accept a harsher penalty if they gave it. Pete from Crash said MM was clearly affected by what happened at the press conference and that seemed quite unusual for him.
I have a feeling that the bike is causing him to second guess his "mojo" and that is dangerous AF.

Also, JM was apparently riding very cautiously because he had never done that many laps and had grip at the end, AM had ridden to hard and had no grip, and Zarco had nursed his tires to the point he could just go maxed out for those last couple of laps. Lot of them will be rethinking their strategy I think.

[Metastable]

FWIW, the thursday before the race the riders were told: first incident: long lap penalties, second incident: Pit lane start, and third, I cant remember exactly but I think it was a race ban.

Do you know if this is cumulative over the season, or does it reset after some time?

[iYRe]

Do you know if this is cumulative over the season, or does it reset after some time?

I feel like it is all season, but I dont know for sure.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm in a small Discord group and one of the members is a Moto2 rider, he said the penalties were discussed with all riders before the first race, first offense is LL, then pit lane start, then ride through. He didn't mention whether they are cumulative or not but I'll ask him.


They have come with new rules this year
They introduced in the briefing
1x incident = this penalty
2x incident = this penalty
3x incident = this penalty
Ofc getting worse and worse
Then the ‘incident’ has different categories, hitting another rider out in a aggressive/ stupid way is one
But for example also for slow sectors
It’s literally in the rules like this
......................
Ofcourse I don’t remember the different ‘categories’ nor the penalties received for them, but, iirc taking another rider out in a aggressive way or something like that is
2x LL
Pitlane start
Ride through

[iYRe]

ahh yeah, the 3rd was long lap..

[onearmedbandit]

Confirmed as cumulative.

[F5 Dave]

And 4th time it is Mawamba from the victims team. :buggerd:

[Reckless]

Confirmed as cumulative.

Now that is interesting so no reset after the punishment, cumulative over the season.
I wonder if that is affecting their decisions this early because they realise the impact and knock on effect of harsh penalties in race 1 weekend.
Lets see if they have the balls to make it happen :Police:

I also think they are possibly a bit softer on the Big boys and harsher on moto3 to send the message for when your going 300k plus.
BUT maybe MM and the uproar over this incident has changed all that now for MotogGP. Interesting stuff LOL

The MM knock on effect :facepalm::innocent::Police:

[iYRe]

Honda is appealing because they changed the decision, so who knows what will happen now

[Reckless]

Honda is appealing because they changed the decision, so who knows what will happen now

yes :( The saga that never ends just shows the stewards have to get it 100% right first time as there is too much at stake and the legal issues start to overtake the sport :(. This isn't going to go down well with the Punters :(

off Moto GP site
FIM Appeal Stewards refer Marquez' case to Court of Appeal
After an appeal from Marquez and Repsol Honda, the case is now going to the MotoGP™ Court of Appeal
Following an appeal from Marc Marquez and the Repsol Honda Team, the FIM Appeal Stewards have decided to refer the matter to the MotoGP™ Court of Appeal “for the adequate resolution of the case.”
On Sunday, FIM MotoGP™ Stewards gave Marquez a Double Long Lap penalty for the Gran Premio Michelin® de la República Argentina MotoGP™ race.

On Tuesday, the FIM MotoGP™ Stewards published the following:
“Considering the injury and non-participation of Marc Marquez, Rider #93, at the GRAN PREMIO MICHELIN® DE LA REPÚBLICA ARGENTINA, and with a view to comply with the intention underlying the decision taken by the FIM MotoGP™ Stewards Panel, the Double Long Lap Penalty shall be served by the Rider at the next MotoGP™ Race in which he will be able to participate.”

This triggered an appeal from Marquez and the Repsol Honda Team. The FIM Appeal Stewards have now referred it to the MotoGP™ Court of Appeal.


Just spotted Honda's side - Most of the internet is screaming bad sports suck it up and serve the penalty. I reckon I agree

Repsol Honda make statement on "FIM penalty modification"
The Repsol Honda Team have issued a statement following Tuesday's FIM Stewards update on Marc Marquez' Portuguese GP penalty
Tags MotoGP, 2023, Marc Marquez
The Repsol Honda Team have released the following statement:

"In relation to the sanction imposed by the FIM on Marc Marquez for the race incident that occurred at the Portuguese Grand Prix, the Repsol Honda Team considers that the modification of the penalty consisted of a change of criteria on when the penalty should be applied, and that this modification was issued by the FIM two days after the initial sanction was final and definitive, is not in line with the current regulations of the FIM for the MotoGP™ World Championship. For this reason, the Repsol Honda Team intends to use all the means of recourse offered by the regulations in force to defend its rights and legitimate interests, which it considers violated as a result of the latest resolution adopted, and in particular has duly submitted an Appeal before the FIM Appeal Stewards."

[Metastable]

Confirmed as cumulative.

Hmmm…. It will be interesting to see who the clean/most punished riders are at the end of the year.

[jato]

0600 sunday for the next sprint race - a fan at this stage but i don't want to see guys getting carted off. I recall way back that our own nationals always had a fair bit of carnage at the first round, and then people seemed to settle down a bit to focus on collecting points .

[Grumph]

0600 sunday for the next sprint race - a fan at this stage but i don't want to see guys getting carted off. I recall way back that our own nationals always had a fair bit of carnage at the first round, and then people seemed to settle down a bit to focus on collecting points .

For a long while the first round was always Puke. The Puke specialists among the locals always made it hard for anyone else. Then once the sponsors had handed out a bollocking about how many more rounds there were, most settled down. By the SI a lot were in holiday mode.

The sprint race reminded me of Ruapuna in the 70's. Plenty of body contact. When i came back to ride classics, Ray Shearman took me aside and said " Motorcycle racing is no longer a contact sport " Jeeze Ray, you've taken all the fun out of it .

[Metastable]

MotoGP needs more riders from other places. Spain has an insane feeder system. There are 16 or 18 riders from Spain and Italy, then 2 Frenchies, a Portuguese, a South African, an Aussie and a Japanese rider. Not a single rider from the Americas. Heck there aren’t any European riders from outside Latin Europe…. mind boggling….. no Brits, Germans, Scandinavians. It should be the best of the best; however, it lessens the appeal of a world championship when a few countries dominate the entire grid.

[iYRe]

Well, that was a helluva sprint reace. Not gonna spoil it.. but OMG.

[pritch]

The idea of a sprint race seemed a bit desperate and likely to cause additional casualties over a long season. That latest effort though certainly didn't lack interest.

[george formby]

After last weeks banzai charge, and this weeks, I'm certainly thinking about the toll it will take on riders

Max Von Strapon, the F1 driver, has voiced his disapproval at adding more sprint races to the Scaletrix class.

As it stands, I think it's bloody great that I can watch some racing on a Sunday arvo. Just watched the Argentinian sprint and I'm currently being wafted with a cool, damp, flannel.

[Reckless]

The riders seem to be really enjoying the sprints, all had good things to say about today's race.
Saw a vid Of Luca in the cart to the presentation he seemed tired.
Miller was grinning ear to ear about the cut and thrust.

I agree for me it's the best thing :) Really made a big difference to the excitement level of the whole weekend.

[iYRe]

My ass was clenched the whole race.. mind you that could be old age and not knowing the consistency of the next fart.

[pritch]

Mat Oxley on the designer of Ducati's secret developments.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-skyscrapers-made-ducatis-desmosedici-fly/

[sugilite]

Thank you for the link Pritch, what a fantastic read.

[Autech]

The idea of a sprint race seemed a bit desperate and likely to cause additional casualties over a long season. That latest effort though certainly didn't lack interest.And another injured rider...

We'll have no grid soon :(

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[pritch]

There are reports that Razgatioglu (sp?) is getting another test on the M1 prompting speculation of a switch. Be interesting to see how he'd do.

[onearmedbandit]

Currently he'd be better off jumping manufacturer if he was considering jumping class.

[actungbaby]

Mat Oxley on the designer of Ducati's secret developments.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-skyscrapers-made-ducatis-desmosedici-fly/Yes incredabile stuff about Ai

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[Reckless]

Breaking news :)
Enea Bastianini will miss this weekend's #AmericasGP. The Italian will be replaced by Michele Pirro as he continues his recovery from a shoulder injury

Olivera is turning up but riding is pending medical checks
The Portuguese star is set to return to action at the Americas GP if he passes a medical test after picking up an unlucky Round 1 injury

MM is out, Pol is out = Who else???

Bezzecchi is on a roll and I quite like the guy seems very genuine.
Hopefully Miller will do well we need someone from our neck of the woods to be up there :)

1 day 18hours to go :)

[iYRe]

I'll take Miller or Binder in either race on the podium as a win for us.

[onearmedbandit]

Breaking news :)
Enea Bastianini will miss this weekend's #AmericasGP. The Italian will be replaced by Michele Pirro as he continues his recovery from a shoulder injury

Olivera is turning up but riding is pending medical checks
The Portuguese star is set to return to action at the Americas GP if he passes a medical test after picking up an unlucky Round 1 injury

MM is out, Pol is out = Who else???

Bezzecchi is on a roll and I quite like the guy seems very genuine.
Hopefully Miller will do well we need someone from our neck of the woods to be up there :)

1 day 18hours to go :)

This is a great watch.

https://youtu.be/yb8-ZHftWBA

[sugilite]

Cheers OAB, that was indeed a great watch.

So, in a bring back bradders moment, Honda have yet again bought in Bradyl, to replace MM - the same test rider that is at least partly responsible for producing a shit Honda 4 years running FFS.

Here Bradyl announces MM is an arsehole on the bike. :facepalm:

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1023950/1/marquez-s-rivals-warned-don-t-be-scared-be-careful-he-s-too-impatient

[iYRe]

Here Bradyl announces MM is an arsehole on the bike. :facepalm:

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1023950/1/marquez-s-rivals-warned-don-t-be-scared-be-careful-he-s-too-impatient

He also said he did the impossible... so 6 of one, half a doz of the other

I think MM will only be around one more season, or maybe 2 tops.

[Reckless]

This is a great watch.

https://youtu.be/yb8-ZHftWBA

Cheers Mate seen the miller one but that too was good :)

[sugilite]

He also said he did the impossible... so 6 of one, half a doz of the other

I think MM will only be around one more season, or maybe 2 tops.

Personally I feel with the money MM already has, he should do everything he can to get out of the last year of his Honda contract and get on a ducati. He is not my favourite rider, but i do firmly believe he is still the best by quite some margin.

I was too busy to contribute to the dangerous riding penalty debate. I feel for the first offence the rider should get a double long lap penalty at the very least. Repeat offenders start from pitlane, and if the rider they took out has to miss races due to injury, then the offender too has to miss the same amount of rounds and start their first race back from pitlane. All riders think about at this level is the championship. Im sure offenders would somewhat modify their ways fairly swiftly with those rules in place.

[iYRe]

Personally I feel with the money MM already has, he should do everything he can to get out of the last year of his Honda contract and get on a ducati. He is not my favourite rider, but i do firmly believe he is still the best by quite some margin.


The question is, I know AM is thriving on the Duc, but would MM? He has said he prefers a bike that is more ... err.. manual - he wants to be able to make it do stuff... Can he do that on the Ducati?

[sugilite]

The question is, I know AM is thriving on the Duc, but would MM? He has said he prefers a bike that is more ... err.. manual - he wants to be able to make it do stuff... Can he do that on the Ducati?

I reckon so, class is class. He can extract way more out of that Honda than any other honda rider, He would exploit all the ducatis abilities beyond what any other rider could (IMHO). The cream always rises to the top and all that.

[iYRe]

I reckon so, class is class. He can extract way more out of that Honda than any other honda rider, He would exploit all the ducatis abilities beyond what any other rider could (IMHO). The cream always rises to the top and all that.


Yeah, I thought that too, but still, he has been on the record saying there is too much aero and electronics. I just feel like he would resist the urge, where as his brother will take anything better

[Reckless]

No Spoiler

Just watched P1 and P2

These new sprints and the effect on Q1 and Q2 have made the whole weekend "a race weekend" no time for cruising in any session ;) Love it

Must also compliment Jack Appleyard on his Q&A with team principles. He isn't taking any prisoners LOL Good Stuff :)

[jato]

Another good sprint race - i noticed Quatararo constantly having "mini saves" on that yamaha (until he didn't). and still getting blitzed on the straights by everything else - must be so dis-heartening...

[iYRe]

Another good sprint race - i noticed Quatararo constantly having "mini saves" on that yamaha (until he didn't). and still getting blitzed on the straights by everything else - must be so dis-heartening...

Yeah.. him and the honda riders are just having to push beyond the limits of the bikes..

[jato]

The dirt in Texas must be flavoursome ... so many tucking the front... now i know someone who might have put a lump of money on maverick before the season started - he was paying $40 at the time. I think the only way to collect would be to take a decent shanghai to every startline and zap him in the arse just as the lights go out... he certainly knows how to ride

[BMWST?]

how does that happen ? We all know that Mr Rins is classy but not 1 other Honda even finished!

[iYRe]

Well, the good news is everyone got points I guess

[James Deuce]

how does that happen ? We all know that Mr Rins is classy but not 1 other Honda even finished!
Because he's using the lost art of throttle management to control tyre wear. The rest of them are pinning it and binning it, thinking that the electronics will sort it. Rins' tyre wear is markedly dissimilar to the other Honda riders.

[Reckless]

Simon Crafar did some analysis
off MotoGP and they speak about it in After the flag.
Seems different tracks also make a big difference lately look at Bezz for example over the last 2 races.
We shall see

SIMON SAYS: Is Austin a turning point for Rins and Honda?
Former 500cc Grand Prix winner and motogp.com's expert analyst Simon Crafar speaks on the Spaniard's remarkable COTA performance
Tags MotoGP, 2023, RED BULL GRAND PRIX OF THE AMERICAS, Alex Rins
LCR Honda Castrol's Alex Rins was nothing short of sensational at the Red Bull Grand Prix of the Americas as he took his first win for Honda in only his third competitive appearance. His victory comes after finishing 11.5 and 14 seconds adrift of the eventual race winner in the opening two Grands Prix of the season, highlighting the technical deficiencies he was forced to overcome in Austin. But how was he able to do it?

Former 500cc Grand Prix winner and now motogp.com's very own Simon Crafar picked apart the Spaniard's performance in Sunday's episode of After The Flag. The Kiwi was keen to stress how the former Suzuki man's "natural talent and feel" was crucial to his quick adaptation to the radically different RC213V, before looking a bit deeper into what helped Rins become the first Honda rider other than Marc Marquez to take victory in over five years.

"I've done a bit of digging over the past few days," started Crafar after Sunday's race. "Listening to riders and trying to find out how Alex can do this when the other Honda riders can't. He has a different riding style. The reason we all thought that Joan Mir would suit the Honda more is because he has more of a V4 style. He sits slightly further back, he’s a hard braker, slows it down a little bit more and then fires it out of the corner, which is how V4 riders normally ride.

"Alex has turned up with a more flowing style, carrying corner speed, and it turns out that that helps Honda. They have such a lack of rear grip and struggle to get the tyre to drive them off the turn, if you slow it down, stand it up and fire it off the corner then the thing just lights up. But Alex, by flowing, has masked some of that disadvantage and mastered it amazingly here.

"I know all the Honda guys have been looking at his data trying to figure out how and what he's doing. Taka for example said that he rides it more like a Moto2 bike, just carrying that corner speed. What a job. I just hope that Honda can improve that disadvantage so all the Honda riders can be competitive like him.
The next question, of course, is where Honda goes from here. Eight-time World Champion Marc Marquez is expected to return next time out at the Spanish Grand Prix, but after seeing Honda's top brass - Tetsuhiro Kuwata (HRC Director), Shinichi Kokubu (Technical Director) and Ken Kawauchi (Technical Manager) - all celebrating their new star's win, will HRC put more weight behind Rins' comments and reposition their line of development away from solely suiting Marquez.

It's something Rins himself was crying out before the weekend got underway, admitting to the press on Thursday that he felt "wasted" by Honda and that they "relied very little" on him. This victory will no doubt help his standing within the factory but it remains to be seen how much impact it will have, and whether Austin will truly be the turning point that Honda and their four premier class stars have been crying out for.

[iYRe]

Bloody good analysis, i think Keith from Crash said something similar, and also someone else on the interwebs on some shite channel.

If carrying more corner speed is the solution, MM will carry more corner speed than anyone else, I have no doubt he'd adapt.

[Autech]

Bloody spewing. Had a $100 bet punched in for Rins before the race weekend when he was paying $35 and I chickened out. Good to see though, legend!

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[george formby]

Interestin to read what the clever folk think about Rins race.

It looked to me on one particular corner of the circuit he was letting the back of the bike kick out at the apex, at max lean, with the front slightly crossed up. :shit: He did it pretty much every lap.

When he flicked the bike back up it was on the perfect line for the next bend. I was very impressed.

[Autech]

Ever since he sorted out his body position on the bike last year he's had awesome front end control. Love watching him ride

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[george formby]

Ever since he sorted out his body position on the bike last year he's had awesome front end control. Love watching him ride

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He doesn't pop up like a startled Meerkat anymore.

[Autech]

He doesn't pop up like a startled Meerkat anymore.

Yeah everyone was like "Oh look what a cool old school riding style" whilst he was losing the front and crashing out of good positions all the time. Clearly he realised it too as he's now dragging elbows like the rest of them and so far as I can think hasn't had a crash from a race that was his fault? Ahhh what might have been if he wasn't injured last year and if Suzuki had stayed in the game...

[iYRe]

Just in from crash.net, possibility that honda are considering swapping Rins and Mir around

[onearmedbandit]

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1024603/1/honda-shoot-down-rumours-swapping-alex-rins-and-joan-mir

Says Honda shoots down rumours.

[iYRe]

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1024603/1/honda-shoot-down-rumours-swapping-alex-rins-and-joan-mir

Says Honda shoots down rumours.


Ahh yeah, I did think it was a bit far fetched, but they wouldnt say something unless there was a puff of smoke... or they were trolling.

[onearmedbandit]

Ahh yeah, I did think it was a bit far fetched, but they wouldnt say something unless there was a puff of smoke... or they were trolling.

The theory was put out by the ex sporting director of LCR so there was a puff of smoke, but not from any official source.


LCR Honda team manager Lucio Cecchinello was asked by Speedweek to respond to claims from Oscar Haro, the former LCR sporting director, that Rins and Mir could be swapped around.

"This is nonsense,” Cecchinello replied. “Such a team change is out of the question. I can guarantee that."

Paco Sanchez, Mir’s manager, added: "Oscar Haro has no idea."

[iYRe]

ahh, well what we have heard is that the kit from Rins bike on MM's bike, apparently he had the new swing arm. And supposedly they will be testing the new chassis on monday (tuesday for us)

[Reckless]

Marc Marquez to miss Spanish GP, Lecuona to step in
The eight-time World Champion will continue his recovery as WorldSBK’s Lecuona stands in for his compatriot in Jerez
Tags MotoGP, 2023, GRAN PREMIO MOTOGP™ GURU BY GRYFYN DE ESPAÑA, Marc Marquez
On Tuesday the 25th of April, Repsol Honda Team’s Marc Marquez underwent a medical check at the Ruber Internacional Hospital after having been successfully operated on four weeks ago for an intra-articular fracture of the first metacarpal on the right hand.


The clinical and radiological progression was deemed satisfactory, however, due to the nature of the fracture and the time elapsed, the medical team led by Dr. Roger de Oña together with Marquez, have decided to continue with his recovery and preparation during the coming weeks and focus his possible return on the French GP, May 12–14.

Former MotoGP™ rider Iker Lecuona, who currently races for Team HRC in WorldSBK, will replace Marc Marquez for the upcoming Spanish Grand Prix.

Marc Marquez: “Yesterday we did another CT scan and it has been confirmed that, despite the fact that the injury is progressing favourably, the bone has not yet finished healing and racing in Jerez was risky. Together with the medical team, we decided not to take any risks, to wait two more weeks and return in Le Mans. I am very sorry to miss the Spanish Grand Prix because it is always special, because of the atmosphere, racing at home and above all, seeing and enjoying the fans. I will continue with the rehabilitation and work to be back as soon as possible. Thank you for your messages of support!”

[iYRe]

They say.. who ever they are.. if he breaks this bone again he's goneburger. As in, if its not healed properly and it breaks, he wont be able to use his hand properly, so I reckon its a good move eh?

[Reckless]

They say.. who ever they are.. if he breaks this bone again he's goneburger. As in, if its not healed properly and it breaks, he wont be able to use his hand properly, so I reckon its a good move eh?

I am starting to think MM will be with Honda till his career is all over.
There is all this talk about him changing brands.
But between the eye Issue and so many previously broken bones that another brake could put him out forever.
He is getting to the point where the factories might not want to gamble on him never making it to the end of a season.
It has got to start to factor into offers or lack of them sooner or later, even Honda :ar15:

[iYRe]

Yeah, true, or as Huewen off Crash says, if he went to another brand and he didnt do well, its the bikes fault, and if he did amazing, its MM.. a rock and a hard place for them.

[Reckless]

Holly shit Wadya reckon - End of the line - Quitting Honda - Going to ride a Ducati or Aprilia :shit::no:

LIVE & FREE: Marc Marquez' Spanish GP Press Conference
Sign up for our special Spanish GP free trial and hear from the eight-time World Champion at 14:00 local time (GMT+2) today in Jerez

After it was confirmed he would miss this weekend’s Spanish Grand Prix while continuing his recovery from the injury picked up in Portimao, Marc Marquez (Repsol Honda Team) will be holding a Press Conference on Thursday in Jerez at 14:00 local time (GMT+2).

You’ll be able to hear from the eight-time World Champion LIVE & for FREE on motogp.com if you sign up for the special Spanish GP free trial that is available until Saturday’s MotoGP™ Tissot Sprint.

[onearmedbandit]

Nothing as scandalous as that unfortunately.

https://twitter.com/HRC_MotoGP/status/1651517096973463553


Just a small update about recovery and what Marc has been doing recently.

[F5 Dave]

So not being arrested for tax evasion?, or perhaps gender reassignment surgery while he's there?

Ohh, ohh. Returning to his home planet?

[Autech]

Ducati wouldn't even want him tbh from what I've read. They've got plenty of talent already that isn't disruptive.


As for this weekend, I'm going to go out on a limb here and pick Jack Miller FTW

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[pritch]

The original mass damper.

[F5 Dave]

Isn't that when the fire sprinklers turn on during communion?

[iYRe]

So.. Pedrosa FTW? Or Vinales.. hmmm.. this weekend is gonna be unpredictable.

[James Deuce]

So.. Pedrosa FTW? Or Vinales.. hmmm.. this weekend is gonna be unpredictable.
I'll put money on not Vinales.

[iYRe]

I'll put money on not Vinales.

hahaha.. well, you never know... he was fastest.

[James Deuce]

In FP2. He'll either totally screw qualifying up or win the Sprint race and then crash in turn one of the actual race.

He should come with a warning label. May not perform as advertised.

[iYRe]

In FP1. He'll either totally screw qualifying up or win the Sprint race and then crash in turn one of the actual race.

He should come with a warning label. May not perform as advertised.

i think he'd probably be happy with winning the sprint. I dunno, maybe he is a different guy this year? His issues seem to have been more bike than rider so far.

[James Deuce]

i think he'd probably be happy with winning the sprint. I dunno, maybe he is a different guy this year? His issues seem to have been more bike than rider so far.
No. Remember when the Yamaha was a winning bike? His issues were all head. 4 wins in a row and then finishes the championship way down the order. People have wasted thousands of hours and millions of dollars on this guy and for what? Randy Mamola was more useful than this guy and he was a perpetual #2.

[iYRe]

No. Remember when the Yamaha was a winning bike? His issues were all head. 4 wins in a row and then finishes the championship way down the order. People have wasted thousands of hours and millions of dollars on this guy and for what? Randy Mamola was more useful than this guy and he was a perpetual #2.

ah well, maybe.. If he isnt up to the pace this year I guess he should be goneberger

[pritch]

So.. Pedrosa FTW? Or Vinales.. hmmm.. this weekend is gonna be unpredictable.

Well according to his past record at Jerez Quareraro's starting position was certainly unpredictable.

[James Deuce]

ah well, maybe.. If he isnt up to the pace this year I guess he should be goneberger
His super power is appearing to succeed while under-delivering. Aleix will be gone next year, replaced by Olivera and Mav will be team leader.

[jato]

Woo hooo! who doesn't like a smoking dog fight ...

[mulletman]

Woo hooo! who doesn't like a smoking dog fight ...

Yip plus Brads sideways work

[iYRe]

Yip plus Brads sideways work

Possibly the new alien?

[Reckless]

Holly shit we had it all this weekend :shit:

That was probably one of the most controversial and best weekends of MotoGP I have ever seen :)

My hero for this weekend Dany Pedrosa "The Little Samurai" did himself proud :niceone:

[iYRe]

DP was great, but my new hero is Binder. Dude. How the hells does he do that?

[Reckless]

DP was great, but my new hero is Binder. Dude. How the hells does he do that?

Binder pushed the tyres a little too hard Bags clean style made the difference.

Miller is still learning the bike there is hope yet for the southern Hemisphere LOL:first:

What an event, Crashes, long laps, two red flag restarts, Heaps pf passing on a track they said you couldn't pass :devil2:

Second thought: MM got away with his style because he was the only one riding at 110% risk now they are all doing it! I don't think this is the last MM crash we will see :bleh:

Third thought: A lot of debate out there atm but I think the stewards got it right for Fabio and Bagnia. Miller was very lucky there was no contact when he passed Martin.

I think it's me that needs a rest before Le Mans LOL

[iYRe]

I'm currently wearing a portable ECG machine - I am concerned the medical staff might think I was having an issue there.

[Autech]

I reached 96bpm during the last few laps lol.

Awesome racing in the sprint and GP, though yet more multi rider crashes and some weird penalties.

Franco - bit tight but just trying to find his place. Penalty not really deserved looking at replays IMO

Fabio - too eager to make up ground and got squished. I'm 50/50 on this one. Poor Olivera.

Peco on Jack - I don't actually think Jack was off line, he's just run it tight and bashed him out of the way. 50/50 really as Peco was on the gas when he hit Jack.

Jack on Martin - totally different move compared to Peco. He dove in there on the brakes and did more of a block pass rather than a bash n go. Fucking rough on Martin as its a bad place to have that happen but I kinda see why the stewards didn't act on it.

We have tight regulations so the racing is going to be equally tight, it is what it is.

One thing Crafar keeps referring to Peco as is "the come back king". So many times he's been lost on Friday and "the team look at the other bikes and found something" to quote Peco after the race.
I'm a huge Pecco fan, but he's definitely getting one hell on a leg up from having 7 other bikes data to look at. Not sure what Dorna can do to even this out at all as its a bit of a self fulfilling conundrum: the satellite teams want as competitive bike as possible, Ducati supply it and the staff therefore making their bike even more competitive, luring more teams...

So great to see my boy Dani again, looked like he dropped back in the early carnage then manage to pass Maverick and Alex Marquez then find his way onto the tail of the lead bikes. Go KTM.

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[sugilite]

Wow, what a race!
Bagnaia rode the race becoming the current World champion.
Binder - Holly swashbuckling hell! He showed that given the right bike and track and he is up for it.
Miller was completely spectacular as well! Who knew that a bike tested by 51 kg Pedrosa would produce what appeared to be a Dirt Tracker edition of a KTM motogp bike :laugh:
I'll put my hand up and admit my earlier criticism of they will never make a world championship winning bike with a steel frame. Whoops :facepalm:
I wonder if that frame (in combination with a lot of things) is what is giving Binder and Miller the ability to ride them like dirt tracker bikes in slippery conditions.

The guy who I was secretly hoping would win was Pedrosa, but fucken hell he went well!! Though in a way, it does call into question about - are there any aliens right now with Marc Marquez constantly out?
I enjoyed reading about the accolades Pedrosa got during the rider parade....
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1025300/1/dani-pedrosa-i-was-about-cry


And Honda, maybe they should of treated Pedrosa with the respect he deserved. The honda would likely have been a weapon by now had they had Pedrosa's guidance.

I'm worried about Yamaha, They may just withdraw ala suzuki, rather than build a v4 and develop it. Poor old Quartararo is on a bike that just cannot seemingly compete on any track so far.

[iYRe]

And Honda, maybe they should of treated Pedrosa with the respect he deserved. The honda would likely have been a weapon by now had they had Pedrosa's guidance.



They were saying that Jack's input might have been the thing that just pushed it over the line. Pedrosa got it to a point where it was almost there and JM's just pushed it out to the front.

[Autech]

They were saying that Jack's input might have been the thing that just pushed it over the line. Pedrosa got it to a point where it was almost there and JM's just pushed it out to the front.Jack and Binder ride exactly the same, so yeah I think they've been able to collate data to set it up together to be a total mad lad under the brakes. Great to watch.

Pedrosa shows it can be ridden smooth too though, as did Miguel so its clearly a very competitive package now, difference from last year is its good every weekend. COTA is slippery and bumpy, it worked. Jerez is super grippy, it worked. I wouldn't rule Binder or Miller out for a title challenge tbh if Bags bins it any more times.

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[jato]

a fair assessment i believe from mr oxley https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/we-need-to-talk-about-motogp-penalties/
I believe some years back Freddie was absolutely down and out, and was possibly thrown a lifeline in the form of his current job ... sadly it might be time to let him go

[BMWST?]

The KTMs seem to have good rear grip and very good horsepower too.
Dani has made the difference,Jack hasnt been there long enough to have any real input. maybe Pol too needs some credit

[onearmedbandit]

There's been a lot of talk regarding what Jack has brought with him from his time at Ducati, so I wouldn't be too quick to discount his input.

[pritch]

Can't recall where but I read that the test rider was sometimes faster than the factory riders. That'd cause some unease.

[iYRe]

Can't recall where but I read that the test rider was sometimes faster than the factory riders. That'd cause some unease.

Possibly not when its Pedrosa or Crutchlow :P
When they are testing they are often alone, or on the track with very few other bikes, no one holds them up, causes the front tire to overheat etc.. (So I have heard). So when/if they get on the track on raceday they are a bit slower than the battle hardened current riders.

[jato]

There's been a lot of talk regarding what Jack has brought with him from his time at Ducati, so I wouldn't be too quick to discount his input.

Yes - i read someplace that jack asked to run the bike with quite a bit longer wheelbase which BB also adopted and gave the thumbs up to. not sure how reliable stuff we read from crash etc is... I'd love to know actual wheelbase and front/rear bias etc.

[BMWST?]

There's been a lot of talk regarding what Jack has brought with him from his time at Ducati, so I wouldn't be too quick to discount his input.
not discounting his input at all,but the design of the bike is set.He would have very good input on setup and he has experience on at least 3 bikes.

[iYRe]

not discounting his input at all,but the design of the bike is set.He would have very good input on setup and he has experience on at least 3 bikes.

the design wasnt set between last year and this year though, when he moved from ducati last year is when he had input. They were saying that a lot of the input is relating to how to make the bike quick for one lap, get it off the line quicker, etc

[BMWST?]

the design wasnt set between last year and this year though, when he moved from ducati last year is when he had input. They were saying that a lot of the input is relating to how to make the bike quick for one lap, get it off the line quicker, etc
point taken

[pritch]

There are some witty buggers about.

[roogazza]

There are some witty buggers about.

Permission to pass please sir ??????? lol. :lol: :clap: :rolleyes:

[Reckless]

I think they got it right

Watched the replay slomo and Fabios front axle is level or behind Olivera rear axle Before/at tip in, then he lets the bike push into the gap towards the apex, then no room and crash.
Without him in there Olivera etc would have made the corner. = Penalty

Fabio long lap: Hit the green anywhere in the long lap = Penalty

Bagnia on Miller = fraction late and contact = Penalty

Miller on Martin = Earlier and no contact = no Penalty

The difference in the last two being contact

Just my opinion :innocent:
The riders might well be told to bugger off and get their shit together :motu:

[iYRe]

I think they got it right

...

The difference in the last two being contact




Had martin not evacuated the space Miller would have got a penalty for contact. So, he did get lucky, but the rule is the rule.
I agree with the assessment, but then I am no expert.

[BMWST?]

The riders might well be told to bugger off and get their shit together :motu:

Keith Heuwen on Crash said the current mess is partly due to the riders wanting more penalties. He suggets they take more responsibility. He also said that a possible solution was a rider led "commitee" to scrutinize penalties where the stewards cant decide

[roogazza]

ahhhh ,missed the Jerez event of Motogp on ch3 sunday sport SKY (maybe wasn't shown because of the Coronation going on in UK ???) Maybe we'll get it next week ?

But hey ,quite enjoying the WSB this year and watched a couple of Catalunya races late last night.
(I record them these days so I can fast forward fucking Ads ? )
The Doocatis are to be nobled 250rpm from this round on, but thats probably not enough to stop Bautista running away with it??

Great racing for second and third lately between Rea and Rasta-oglue !!!!! :shifty:<_<:msn-wink:

[iYRe]

Hey dude, Jerez as last week, this past weekend was a break weekend. Sky cant be that delayed surely?

If you cant afford to pay like me, I use motomundo, I dont bother with the live but watch the replay which comes up about 30mins after the live. Usually its just the warmed up through to the prizegiving, but that's fine for me. It hasnt failed for me yet.

[Reckless]

MotoMundo Seems like a good site. Cheers
I went to see if I could see the WSBK races but they blocked by VK.com for some reason??

Do you have to sign up, Sign on or make a donation?

[iYRe]

MotoMundo Seems like a good site. Cheers
I went to see if I could see the WSBK races but they blocked by VK.com for some reason??

Do you have to sign up, Sign on or make a donation?

I havent signed up or anything, but there probably is the option.

[BMWST?]

i scour youtube for videos the nxt day Ussually its a prety fractured highlights package.Bautista seems to be able to preserve the tyres so not sure the 250 rpm will affet hom much the other guys seem to have much more difficulty getting away from the fours

[Grumph]

The whole penalties thing is getting ridiculous. The 300 class at the latest WSB round was red flagged shortly before the finish - no accidents - and the riders given a bollocking for dangerous riding. Repeat - no accidents.
Contact when passing sometimes can't be avoided. Ramming someone to get them off the line should be penalised IMO. Locally in the late 60's early 70's we had a group of riders who did just that. I won't name names but in one 5 lap race at Ruapuna I got put on the grass 6 times. Stayed upright luckily.
If you didn't retaliate it just got worse.
It got better as those guys retired or moved on.

IMO the FIM stewards have gone too far trying to legislate for "clean racing" Let them race and penalise only the deliberate bumping.

[roogazza]

Hey dude, Jerez as last week, this past weekend was a break weekend. Sky cant be that delayed surely?

If you cant afford to pay like me, I use motomundo, I dont bother with the live but watch the replay which comes up about 30mins after the live. Usually its just the warmed up through to the prizegiving, but that's fine for me. It hasnt failed for me yet.

Thanks mate, have copied Motomundo site link, will try. Ch 3 just give highlights of motogp a week later but I've been getting by with that...... just me losing a bit of interest I guess (sstill crying about losing Rossi maybe hahahahha). I rev up Sky at every opportunity still !

[onearmedbandit]

The whole penalties thing is getting ridiculous. The 300 class at the latest WSB round was red flagged shortly before the finish - no accidents - and the riders given a bollocking for dangerous riding. Repeat - no accidents.
Contact when passing sometimes can't be avoided. Ramming someone to get them off the line should be penalised IMO. Locally in the late 60's early 70's we had a group of riders who did just that. I won't name names but in one 5 lap race at Ruapuna I got put on the grass 6 times. Stayed upright luckily.
If you didn't retaliate it just got worse.
It got better as those guys retired or moved on.

IMO the FIM stewards have gone too far trying to legislate for "clean racing" Let them race and penalise only the deliberate bumping.

Kids getting killed in racing isn't a good look in the 20's, hence the clampdown in the feeder classes.

[roogazza]

Kids getting killed in racing isn't a good look in the 20's, hence the clampdown in the feeder classes.

Kids !! yeah and some are too. I'll never forget going to my very first Mugello GP . I was invited to breakfast (great mates to have ) in the Redbull tent area this was about 2005 ! All these ,what I thought were kids coming in .They all looked about 12 yrs old lol... :laugh:

[Reckless]

Court of Appeal: Marc Marquez wins!
Read the statement from the FIM as it’s confirmed Marquez WON’T have to serve his penalty upon return
Tags MotoGP, 2023, Marc Marquez
The MotoGP™ Court of Appeal have issued its final decision on the Application of the Sanction in Marc Marquez’s (Repsol Honda Team) case. Here is what the FIM have published:

Following the provisional decision of the MotoGP™ Court of Appeal pronounced on 12 April 2023 granting the stay of execution of the Application of the Sanction imposed on Marc Marquez, the Court still had to decide on the merits of the case considering inter alia the brief of appeal submitted by Marc Marquez and Team HRC – Repsol Honda Team on 17 April 2023.

The Court decided to annul the Application of the Sanction imposed on Marc Marquez, which was issued by the FIM MotoGP™ Stewards Panel in connection with the Original Sanction.

The Court considered that the Double Long Lap Penalty imposed on Marc Marquez by the FIM MotoGP™ Stewards Panel during the MotoGP™ Race of Portugal held on 26 March 2023 has been served by the non-participation of the Rider in the 2023 MotoGP™ Race of Argentina.

Marc Marquez is hence allowed to compete in the next race in which he will be able to participate, without any further sanction.

[iYRe]

haha, is anyone surprised? I'm not lol

[onearmedbandit]

Hopefully DORNA learn from this and tidy their wording up.

[Reckless]

At the end of the day that decision possibly makes little difference, his season is pretty stuffed at this time, and the Honda has major Issues as well :eek:
Another injury with the "break it again and you're finished" headline MUST be affecting MM as well, especially riding a bike that suddenly throws you off.
Interesting Honda are going to Kalex?? I wonder how much info on the chassis they are getting? Not enough to copy it (if it works) I would imagine.

Rossi might be dancing a happy dance :banana: thinking his 9 tittles record is looking a little more secure as time goes on :girlfight:

ON the Rossi note, VR46 riders must be shitting that Rossi might Drag them over to the Yamaha (as the rumor mill has it).

Interesting stuff

[iYRe]

MM's issue seems to be that the break is close to the heel of his palm, and it can separate pretty easily just from the pressure of holding the bars - at least until it is healed properly.

Yeah, I wouldnt want to be goimg to Yamahahahahaha

[BMWST?]

haha, is anyone surprised? I'm not lol
well its only logical isnt it? His own actions have caused him to miss two rounds...what else do you need?

[Grumph]

haha, is anyone surprised? I'm not lol

It was the original fuckup by the Stewards that decided it. They didn't consider that he might be injured enough to miss Argentina then when asked gave a verbal declaration that the penalty only applied to Argentina.
After that the alteration to make him serve it at his next race was never going to be upheld.

It's more a case of Stewards on the spot not thinking things through than the regs needing changing or pointing fingers at Honda management or Dorna.

The decision document is on line in several places. Makes interesting reading. Looks like at one point the FIM tried to change the rules retroactively.

And No I don't like it at all. But we'll just have to wait for Karma to catch up with him.

[sugilite]

Yeah, MM got off on a technicality basically. I feel this may blow up in Hondas face long term fighting it like they did. MM has been accused of having a blanket of invisibility when it comes to past transgressions.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1025930/1/espargaro-marquez-crashes-how-many-times-riders-don-t-dare-criticise

You can bet the judiciary will be wanting to slap any penalty they can on MM from here on in.

[iYRe]

Yeah, MM got off on a technicality basically. I feel this may blow up in Hondas face long term fighting it like they did. MM has been accused of having a blanket of invisibility when it comes to past transgressions.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1025930/1/espargaro-marquez-crashes-how-many-times-riders-don-t-dare-criticise

You can bet the judiciary will be wanting to slap any penalty they can on MM from here on in.

He's not back for Le Mans anyway, be interesting to see if he uses the new Chassis...

[sugilite]

He's not back for Le Mans anyway, be interesting to see if he uses the new Chassis...

Crash is reporting that he is back for Le Mans?????
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1026033/1/major-problems-marc-marquez-still-faces
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1026009/1/marc-marquez-returns-motogp-action-le-mans

[iYRe]

Crash is reporting that he is back for Le Mans?????
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1026033/1/major-problems-marc-marquez-still-faces
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1026009/1/marc-marquez-returns-motogp-action-le-mans


Ahh, thanks.. I thought they said in podcast he wasnt, although I think the podcast was done prior to Pete's article.