Interested in MotoGP?

[denill]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081016ktm.htm>No KTM's in the 2009 250 class!!</A> :confused:

[pritch]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Bridgestone+confirmed+as+the+single+tyre+supplier+ in+MotoGP

[denill]

A copy of my email to SKY A waste of fucking time - but I think they are arseholes. :bash:

Where do I start?

I am tempted to use the expletives to protest the cavalier and arrogant contempt with which SKY treats motorcycle sport fans that I used when the DELAYED coverage of the Sepang MotoGP that I had recorded - ceased with 10 laps to go…………. But that would not be a good look and would project the very same attitude of SKY public relations. That is the metaphorical ‘fingers” to their minority viewers.

The fact that I was required to record the delayed coverage (Midnight?) of the Malaysian GP, held in a time zone that would have made for a reasonable viewing time slot is reason enough to rant at SKY’s treatment.

But then to tack it on to the end of a cricket match (live -Australia vs India?), with the possibility of running over time is just another indication, along with the many others over the years, that SKY does not care about me or the others who subscribe to SKY to get motorcycle sport.

But SKY does it because they can. Goodwill has nothing to do with it.

Thanking you for nothing!

Bill Walch

[NZsarge]

A copy of my email to SKY A waste of fucking time - but I think they are arseholes. :bash:

Where do I start?

I am tempted to use the expletives to protest the cavalier and arrogant contempt with which SKY treats motorcycle sport fans that I used when the DELAYED coverage of the Sepang MotoGP that I had recorded - ceased with 10 laps to go…………. But that would not be a good look and would project the very same attitude of SKY public relations. That is the metaphorical ‘fingers” to their minority viewers.

The fact that I was required to record the delayed coverage (Midnight?) of the Malaysian GP, held in a time zone that would have made for a reasonable viewing time slot is reason enough to rant at SKY’s treatment.


Normally it does'nt wind me up too much when the hell it's broadcast but you're point is ofcourse valid.
The fact that the f'ing race got chopped in half is f'ing pathetic to say the very least. That would dare happen to some provincial rugby game let alone an international one! Colour me farkin' digusted! :angry2::2guns: SKY

[roogazza]

You have my pm Bill, they have us by the balls !

As many E mails as you can guys !!! Gaz.
:angry2::angry2::angry2::mad::mad::mad:

[k14]

Give me an address to bombard!

I ususally wouldn't be too fussed, cept my crappy internet connection isn't good enough to even stream the live feed off motogp. So I had to resort to watching it at work this morning :Police:

[Matt Bleck]

Yup, they are f'ing useless, lucky for me tho, I watched it LIVE on www.motoGP.com! :D

[johan]

Yup, they are f'ing useless, lucky for me tho, I watched it LIVE on www.motoGP.com! :D

The motoGP.com site is pretty cool, you can look at the interactive results table, with laptimes, top speed, intermidiates, weather temps etc. while you're watching the race.

[roogazza]

Give me an address to bombard!

I ususally wouldn't be too fussed, cept my crappy internet connection isn't good enough to even stream the live feed off motogp. So I had to resort to watching it at work this morning :Police:

I used what a mate gave me, Skytv@mailap.custhelp.com

Don't know if it did any good, but I felt better, after letting rip with a bollocking. Gaz

[skaz]

[I]when the DELAYED coverage of the Sepang MotoGP that I had recorded - ceased with 10 laps to go………….


Thats quite strange, I was pretty anoyed about the delayed coverage but I got the whole race when I recorded it. My sky comes via telstra clear so maby that had something to do with getting the whole race

[gav]

Well considering it was originally advertised as coverage from 7.00pm - 11.00pm it was pretty poor. I can see Sky responding with "We suggest you install MySky etc " Wonder if the 125's and 250's will be shown?

[gav]

After the brief official announcement earlier today, details of Bridgestone's tire proposal have started to leak out, little by little. As yet, it is all the result of informal briefings and what riders have told the press, the exact details are to be presented in a formal announcement "later" to quote the Bridgestone statement. But this is what we know, or think we know:

* 20 tires per weekend, 8 fronts and 12 rears;
* One carcass construction only;
* 7 different compounds, of which 2 will be available at each race, a "hard" and a "soft". Presumably, Bridgestone will decide which 2 compounds to bring;
* Riders will have equal numbers of hard and soft tires;
* 150 tires for all of winter testing: 100 to be supplied free of charge, 50 to be supplied at the surprisingly reasonable rate of 200 euros for a front and 400 euros for a rear, according to MotoGP stalwart Julian Ryder over at Soup.
* Testing to be limited to 6 tests lasting 2 days each, that would leave the riders with 12 tires a day, approximately. As Nicky Hayden is wont to do 100+ laps a day during a test, that would mean the tires lasting at least 20 laps each.
* One wet compound, a medium. Earlier, there was talk of only 4 wet tires being supplied, but no numbers are being mentioned any more.

The outcry predicted here has failed to erupt, but the riders have already forced a few concessions from Bridgestone. The main complaint was that 20 tires would be too few, and the riders have extracted promises from Bridgestone that they would reexamine the situation as the season progressed. Valentino Rossi told GPOne.com "they (Bridgestone, Ed.) said that we should trust them, and that 20 tires will be enough, because they will bring tires with a wide enough temperature range to cope, and in any case, they have assured us that if problems arise, they will try to correct this by bringing more tires. Put like that, it's a situation we can accept."

What remains to be seen is just how the riders will adapt. The regulations favor riders who can set a bike up to make the best of the tires on offer, over those who are used to having tires made to meet their requirements. You might expect people who can manage tires well, such as Valentino Rossi and Nicky Hayden, to do well, as well as riders like Casey Stoner, who is a master of matching the bike to his tires.

The riders who will suffer will be those who need a perfect setup to function. Marco Melandri is a name that springs to mind in this respect, as does Toni Elias. Elias is likely to have another problem, as like Dani Pedrosa, the lighter riders will have problems getting heat into tires. The single carcass on offer is likely to be stiff, as this will suit more riders, and stop grip levels and corner speeds from getting too high.

But stand by for a winter of wild speculation. The new regime is likely to go into effect at the second test of the season, at the end of November at Jerez, with Bridgestone probably having plenty of the "old" tires left at Valencia. So it's going to be a while yet before we get a definitive answer on how this is going to work out. It may even take until mid-season before the new regulations begin to work themselves out.

If you were getting bored and frustrated with all this talk of tires, better start counting to ten; there's months more of this to come. Actually, better make that a hundred. Thousand.

[k14]

"We suggest you install MySky etc " Wonder if the 125's and 250's will be shown?
I do! But it still didn't assist in a.) watching the races live and b.) watching the 125s and 250s!

[gav]

Apparently 125's and 250's to be shown Tuesday 6.30am!

[Kendog]

Thats quite strange, I was pretty anoyed about the delayed coverage but I got the whole race when I recorded it. My sky comes via telstra clear so maby that had something to do with getting the whole race

I got the entire race as well. Taped last night from 10pm till morning using Cable TV.

[denill]

A copy of my email to SKY A waste of fucking time - but I think they are arseholes. :bash:

Where do I start?

I am tempted to use the expletives to protest the cavalier and arrogant contempt with which SKY treats motorcycle sport fans that I used when the DELAYED coverage of the Sepang MotoGP that I had recorded - ceased with 10 laps to go…………. But that would not be a good look and would project the very same attitude of SKY public relations. That is the metaphorical ‘fingers” to their minority viewers.

The fact that I was required to record the delayed coverage (Midnight?) of the Malaysian GP, held in a time zone that would have made for a reasonable viewing time slot is reason enough to rant at SKY’s treatment.

But then to tack it on to the end of a cricket match (live -Australia vs India?), with the possibility of running over time is just another indication, along with the many others over the years, that SKY does not care about me or the others who subscribe to SKY to get motorcycle sport.

But SKY does it because they can. Goodwill has nothing to do with it.

Thanking you for nothing!

Bill Walch

The response:

Hello Bill

Thank you for your email and comments.

Due to the volume of live events we had this weekend, SKY had to delay the coverage of the MotoGP and ultimately the decision was made to move the Malaysian MotoGP 125cc and 250cc races to be played out delayed on Tuesday the 21st of October at 6:30 am on Sky Sport 3. This decision was confirmed on the 8th of October and both your EPG (Electronic Programme Guide) and our website schedules were updated.

Due to live cricket overrunning, the delayed Grand Prix went to air later than the amended time slot of 12am last night though there will be a replay this morning on SKY Sport 3 after the 125cc and 250cc races.

We sincerely regret the inconvenience and frustration this has caused to our MotoGP fans and I have passed your feedback on to our Sports Department.

With kind regards,

Maria

[roogazza]

No excuses are good enough for me Bill. Being older and grumpy, I'm keeping my boot on their throat.
I mean, fuck me ! How much cricket do we need ? Hopefully Sky will get plenty of complaints and start thinking ? (yeah right ! ) Gaz

ps I like the look of Hayden for next year, he seems to have a new lease on life ? Wingnut might just be number two in that team ??? he heh.

[denill]

No excuses are good enough for me Bill. Being older and grumpy, I'm keeping my boot on their throat.
I mean, fuck me ! How much cricket do we need ? Hopefully Sky will get plenty of complaints and start thinking ? (yeah right ! ) Gaz

Good on ya Gaz. I know it's pissing into the wind - but hey ya gotta do it. Otherwise NOTHING will ever change. Hope a few more here did what you've done? :bash:


ps I like the look of Hayden for next year, he seems to have a new lease on life ? Wingnut might just be number two in that team ??? he heh.

Bring it on. It will be another interesting few races at the beginning of '09. And yeah I like Hayden's determined style. :woohoo:

[codgyoleracer]

Wingnut may well mature a lot after this years experience.
The carbon fibre Duke may be a risk or it may stun us all. Rossi has his work cut out for sure.
The control tyre rule may well work in favour of this years Bridgestone runners (in the early part of the season anyway).
I suspect that the winning rider will be the one that can handle riding on shagged rubber - as the liklelyhood of a control tyre exactly suiting the individual tracks will be a lot less.
(we all know who the best rider on shagged rubber is aye......)
Glen

[roogazza]

(we all know who the best rider on shagged rubber is aye......)
Glen

Cheers SIR GLEN !
(as I heard a certain Aussie lady refer to you on Saturday ) !!!!!! Gaz

:drool: :spanking:

[Crasherfromwayback]

(we all know who the best rider on shagged rubber is aye......)
Glen

Me!:scooter:

[svr]

Me!:scooter:

Sorry Pete, in the sack `Fastest' is not the same as `Best'

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sorry Pete, in the sack `Fastest' is not the same as `Best'

Says who?:bleh:

[denill]

Dennis Noyes wrote: <a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-single-tire-101-part-2-of-2//P1/>In MotoGP the single tire rule should make the racing closer, or at least bunch up the second pack. If that doesn’t do it for Dorna (and that means if it doesn’t thrill fans and keep the stands full and the ratings high) then the next easiest way to make it better would be to give the riders what they really asked for unanimously -- a return to 990s. But the manufactures are dead against that and in MotoGP the manufacturers still rule.</A>

Beware - before you click on this link though! There's FIVE pages. :sick:

[pritch]

I see on the SKY web page that coverage of Valencia is due at 11.00PM tonight on S3. This is different to the programme printed in the magazine.

[NZsarge]

Rossi not sounding confident for todays race.
New rear shock sounds like a good step forward for Stoner.

[RobRod]

Rossi not sounding confident for todays race.
New rear shock sounds like a good step forward for Stoner.

Rossi has already got the championship:first: so what does he care, roll on 2009 championship:eek:

[NZsarge]

Rossi has already got the championship:first: so what does he care, roll on 2009 championship:eek:

Yep this is true but being a racer he want's to win every race he enters (even if he can't) otherwise he would'nt be world champion.

[lostinflyz]

wow if that wasn't a painfully boring race. :zzzz::zzzz::zzzz::zzzz:

thank god for 2 strokes

[Kendog]

wow if that wasn't a painfully boring race. :zzzz::zzzz::zzzz::zzzz:

thank god for 2 strokes

I think they were all planning tomorrows test riding sessions during the race.
I had a bit of a nap :sleep:

[lostinflyz]

i think id prefer to see tomomorrow (well today really) test session rather than that race.

[svr]

Be better if teams delayed signing of contracts until the after the last race.

[denill]

<A HREF=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081027qm.htm>Wot They Said After Day One of Testing:</A>

[denill]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081027d.htm>And the Times Were:</A>

[codgyoleracer]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081027d.htm>And the Times Were:</A>

Its lookin goooood for 2009.......

[NZsarge]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081027d.htm>And the Times Were:</A>

Cheers for that, looks like Rossi will have a real battle on his hands next year, Stoner and Pedrosa looking very quick at this (early) point. The Suzuki boys looking pretty handy too.

[denill]

The Suzuki boys looking pretty handy too.

Yeah. WTF didn't the Suzuki guys use the stuff that they already had in the garage - in the race??

[Cajun]

yeah some interesting information poping up from the test.

be interesting how it pans out.

[denill]

Specially for Gaz :msn-wink:

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081027-d9.htm> "Like I told my brother, I don't know what they pay Casey but it's not enough. They need to double it," Hayden said, "because this thing can be a monster."</A>

[svr]

Specially for Gaz :msn-wink:

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081027-d9.htm> "Like I told my brother, I don't know what they pay Casey but it's not enough. They need to double it," Hayden said, "because this thing can be a monster."</A>

Despite all evidence the Stoner-bashers on this website will keep knocking him.:2guns:

[slowpoke]

I've never been a big Hayden fan but I'm likin' the kid more and more.

All the shit that is coming out with Pedrosa and Puig running the Repsol team, their demanding access to everyone elses data but not likewise is raising Hayden in my estimation. Not many could live/work in that environment and still carry themselves the way he has.

I still think Rossi is a freak but for Hayden to take a risk on the Duke rather than take a cushy ride on another Honda says a lot about his willingness to have a go.

My two wishes for next season:

1) Rossi wins an epic championship battle with an amazing last race, last corner pass.
2) Pedrosa sees nothing but Ducati tyre smoke as Hayden creams the lil' prick all year

[denill]

I've never been a big Hayden fan but I'm likin' the kid more and more.

All the shit that is coming out with Pedrosa and Puig running the Repsol team, their demanding access to everyone elses data but not likewise is raising Hayden in my estimation. Not many could live/work in that environment and still carry themselves the way he has.

I still think Rossi is a freak but for Hayden to take a risk on the Duke rather than take a cushy ride on another Honda says a lot about his willingness to have a go.

My two wishes for next season:

1) Rossi wins an epic championship battle with an amazing last race, last corner pass.
2) Pedrosa sees nothing but Ducati tyre smoke as Hayden creams the lil' prick all year

Hmmm. Why did I keep nodding my head while I read that ?? :msn-wink: (No. Not a bit sleepy!)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Despite all evidence the Stoner-bashers on this website will keep knocking him.:2guns:

That's because they know FUCK ALL.

[NZsarge]

That's because they know FUCK ALL.

I might know FUCK ALL but I hope Rossi kicks his arse next year too!

[denill]

I might know FUCK ALL but I hope Rossi kicks his arse next year too!

Stoner's age 23. Rossi's age 29. Stoner's an up-and-coming rider - while Rossi's goin the other way. That's just how it will be. :bye:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I might know FUCK ALL but I hope Rossi kicks his arse next year too!

Doubt you'd call what Rossi did this year an ass kicking mate!

An ass kicking is what Stoner did to Rossi last year!:scooter:

[NZsarge]

Doubt you'd call what Rossi did this year an ass kicking mate!

An ass kicking is what Stoner did to Rossi last year!:scooter:

Oh c'mon! if it was 20 points the difference then I might tend to agree with you but 95!

[NZsarge]

Stoner's age 23. Rossi's age 29. Stoner's an up-and-coming rider - while Rossi's goin the other way. That's just how it will be. :bye:

Are you try to tell me Rossi's had and it and his career is kaput? He has a fair bit of life left there yet, yeah Stoner will race on after Rossi retires but I seriously don't think you'll see his career rise to the hights Rossi's has and lets not forget Rossi has'nt retired yet.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh c'mon! if it was 20 points the difference then I might tend to agree with you but 95!

Ahhhh...so if you think 95 points is good...you must surely agree that the 126 points Stoner beat Rossi by last year is/was incredible then yeah?

[NZsarge]

Ahhhh...so if you think 95 points is good...you must surely agree that the 126 points Stoner beat Rossi by last year is/was incredible then yeah?

Yeah 126 was a good margin for sure but we all know Stoner's bike was quicker than the other manufacturer's anyway...

[svr]

Rossi has the best bike. Anyone can ride that Yamaha yet no-one except Stoner can ride that duke.
Bring on '09.

[NZsarge]

Rossi has the best bike. Anyone can ride that Yamaha yet no-one except Stoner can ride that duke.
Bring on '09.

Ofcourse he has the best bike....It's a Yamaha so that goes without saying but the does'nt mean it's the quickest, that is very much up for debate.
So we can put you firmly in the Rossi basher camp then can we?

[denill]

Hey, this is good. Pass me another beer. :banana:

[roogazza]

Specially for Gaz :msn-wink:

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081027-d9.htm> "Like I told my brother, I don't know what they pay Casey but it's not enough. They need to double it," Hayden said, "because this thing can be a monster."</A>

Thanks for that Bill, 8 times World Champion and aiming for 9 huh ?

09 will be a good battle for Red team, they have to decide who's going to come second to Yamaha !!!!! :rolleyes: Gaz.

[R6_kid]

Ahhhh...so if you think 95 points is good...you must surely agree that the 126 points Stoner beat Rossi by last year is/was incredible then yeah?

Rossi did have pretty shit luck last year, and Stoner had some pretty bad luck towards the end of this season too, however i'd put some of those crashes in the last couple of races partly down to him being under pressure from Rossi after 'the crack' at Laguna Seca.

What we do all know is that next year should prove to be VERY interesting!

[denill]

09 will be a good battle for Red team, they have to decide who's going to come second to Yamaha !!!!! :rolleyes: Gaz.

Where've ya been Gaz ?? :laugh: :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ofcourse he has the best bike....It's a Yamaha so that goes without saying but the does'nt mean it's the quickest, that is very much up for debate.
So we can put you firmly in the Rossi basher camp then can we?

And therein lies the problem mate. The 'quickest' bike (as in straight line speed), does not make the best bike!

The best bike is the best 'allround' package. THAT was the YAMAHA this year obviously. But still Stoner (and pretty much ONLY Stoner) was the man that could tame the fucking thing. Just like last year.

[denill]

Interesting. Nicky Hayden's fastest lap on the 1st day of testing on the red bike was 1'33.960. Not too far from his fastest lap in the race on the Honda - 1'33.393. Maybe I'm reading more into that than I should - but now that there are no qualifiers (Now that's a good thing) we should be comparing apples with apples?

[denill]

Rossi said: <a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-superbike-races-more-entertaining-than-ours/>“I sincerely believe today has been the most boring race of the year. Unfortunately each of us had his pace and instead of closing up we just got farther apart. It has been two years now since there has been a last-lap overtaking for the lead and that is worrying for our championship and for motorcycle racing."</A> And more. I like his comments on Gibbers.

[denill]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081028a.htm>Valencia - Day Two:</A>

[roogazza]

Interesting. Nicky Hayden's fastest lap on the 1st day of testing on the red bike was 1'33.960. Not too far from his fastest lap in the race on the Honda - 1'33.393. Maybe I'm reading more into that than I should - but now that there are no qualifiers (Now that's a good thing) we should be comparing apples with apples?


Rossi said: <a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-superbike-races-more-entertaining-than-ours/>“I sincerely believe today has been the most boring race of the year. Unfortunately each of us had his pace and instead of closing up we just got farther apart. It has been two years now since there has been a last-lap overtaking for the lead and that is worrying for our championship and for motorcycle racing."</A> And more. I like his comments on Gibbers.

Too early sure, but a good first test for Hayden.
I am in favour of a level field myself Bill, we'll just have to see how control tyres work in 09 ?
I would also like to see electronics taken a step or two back as well.
If only to see who can handle a throttle the best ?
I can't pick a number 1 in that Ducati team Bill, both have good points and have had the championship, it'll be good to see. I look forward to seeing all the other young guys like Dovi and Jorge as well.

The problem I have is , do I buy a new bike or do more trips to see these fights in the flesh in 09..... (bugger, I might have to do both ?) Gaz.

[denill]

The problem I have is , do I buy a new bike or do more trips to see these fights in the flesh in 09..... (bugger, I might have to do both ?) Gaz.

Ummm, does Mrs Gaz read this?? :msn-wink: :msn-wink:

[roogazza]

Ummm, does Mrs Gaz read this?? :msn-wink: :msn-wink:

She has a horse, you don't want to know what those things cost bud !
:laugh::laugh: Gaz.

[RobRod]

And therein lies the problem mate. The 'quickest' bike (as in straight line speed), does not make the best bike!

The best bike is the best 'allround' package. THAT was the YAMAHA this year obviously. But still Stoner (and pretty much ONLY Stoner) was the man that could tame the fucking thing. Just like last year.

Er, that could also be Ducati's IT geeks data logging the track geography and terrain into the traction/engine management so the bike know's exactly how much throttle when and where through track positioning.

[denill]

Er, that could also be Ducati's IT geeks data logging the track geography and terrain into the traction/engine management so the bike know's exactly how much throttle when and where through track positioning.

How come people just can't give Stoner credit????
There were other Ducatis and Ducati's IT geeks in the MotoGP class. And where were they?? Stoner has proved that he's a phenomenal talent.

The shit fight of 'Who's the best, Stoner or Rossi' - is another matter.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Er, that could also be Ducati's IT geeks data logging the track geography and terrain into the traction/engine management so the bike know's exactly how much throttle when and where through track positioning.

Yeah yeah mate...I've read the same article...still shows you know squat about it all. If it was that simple...the same geek could not only do his work...but then put Stoners leathers on and win the race himself.

Get real.

[NZsarge]

The shit fight of 'Who's the best, Stoner or Rossi' - is another matter.

Dude! There's no question.... :whistle: :devil2:
For the record though, i've never actually said the guy can't ride, as it's been said here before, you don't get to be world champ by riding like a muppet.
I don't consider myself to be a "Stoner basher" by I do prefer to support Rossi in MotoGP.
I'll be interested to see how Kallio goes on his Duke next year too.

[denill]

Er, that could also be Ducati's IT geeks data logging the track geography and terrain into the traction/engine management so the bike know's exactly how much throttle when and where through track positioning.

I notice that you wrote: "Rossi is king, long live the king. Stoner sucks."

See where you're coming from now mate. Not a very mature analysis though and hard to take you seriously. :doh:

[svr]

Ofcourse he has the best bike....It's a Yamaha so that goes without saying but the does'nt mean it's the quickest, that is very much up for debate.
So we can put you firmly in the Rossi basher camp then can we?

No, I am a huge Rossi fan too (who isn't). I've said it before - this year he was the best rider on the best bike. Basically it's about giving Stoner due credit, and being grateful that someone was good enough to take it to Rossi for the past 2 years.

[codgyoleracer]

From Roogazza: (from glen)
Too early sure, but a good first test for Hayden. (i see a few hints in both Stoners & Haydens comments that they are already circling each other & looking for the high ground)

I am in favour of a level field myself Bill, we'll just have to see how control tyres work in 09 ? (I can see both sides - but overall I dont mind the idea)

I would also like to see electronics taken a step or two back as well. (agree with this from a "riders championship" point of view)
If only to see who can handle a throttle the best ?

I can't pick a number 1 in that Ducati team Bill, both have good points and have had the championship, it'll be good to see. I look forward to seeing all the other young guys like Dovi and Jorge as well. (I suspect that Stoner will be the quicker one)

The problem I have is , do I buy a new bike or do more trips to see these fights in the flesh in 09.....Gaz.
(Buy a new bike WHILST you are on your trip..........You could always bring back a DoooCati, Glen)

[denill]

I am in favour of a level field myself Bill, we'll just have to see how control tyres work in 09 ? (I can see both sides - but overall I dont mind the idea)

My opinion is also - "I can see both sides - but overall I dont mind the idea" and it will be great if it has the same result as the WSBK controlled tyre format.

But FFS where does it end. I don't follow F1, but apparently they are looking at a control engine!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :2guns: :2guns:

[codgyoleracer]

But FFS where does it end. I don't follow F1, but apparently they are looking at a control engine!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :2guns: :2guns:[/QUOTE]

Yep , - can see that side of it for sure & its a tough one, I do like the idea of no special qualifying tyres also, as these have no resemblence to actual achievable lap times. And the top teams get to pick the "special ones".

RE TC, I would be surprised if traction control can be totally elimnated now any way, - as it is so entwined into the operation of the machine in so many different ways.
Glen

[BarryG]

I think Nicky likes his new ride - it looks like it is as loose as a flat tracker, and the wobbles and weaves aren't going to bother him, just like they don't bother Casey.
Altho' Elias had a couple of good results, for most of the season, the guys who couldn't get on with it were Euros used to 125/250 lines and handling, or Honda precision, and obviously were pretty intimidated by the way the Duc would have to be almost steered with the back rather then the front.
I love that Ducati welcomed him with a stars and stripes colour scheme - very classy of them. I think he'll fit.

Cheers
Barry

[johan]

I think Nicky likes his new ride - it looks like it is as loose as a flat tracker, and the wobbles and weaves aren't going to bother him, just like they don't bother Casey.
Altho' Elias had a couple of good results, for most of the season, the guys who couldn't get on with it were Euros used to 125/250 lines and handling, or Honda precision, and obviously were pretty intimidated by the way the Duc would have to be almost steered with the back rather then the front.
I love that Ducati welcomed him with a stars and stripes colour scheme - very classy of them. I think he'll fit.

Cheers
Barry

Watch him ride it! Hear the traction control at work!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUOeNaHO3vk

[BarryG]

Very cool, thanks for that!!! I guess the TC is part of it, but not the only part.
I hardly think he was likely to say 'ferrkk, I can't ride this thing' the first time he gets on it, but I really believe he's one of those blokes who starts out knowing it's got two wheels and an engine, and rides with his balls as much as his head. Rossi is known for getting the most out of whatever he manages to get his setup to be, and I think there are a couple of others, Nicky being one, and looks like Dovi being another.

Cheers
Barry

[johan]

Indeed! Even the Ducati people are impressed with his first attempts:

"He certainly is very brave," Preziosi told Italian newspaper Gazetta dello Sport. "With the telemetry you can see that in certain situations the bike wobbles in a scary way, even more than with [Casey] Stoner, but he doesn't get off the gas.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71810

I'm looking forward to the next season!

[RobRod]

I notice that you wrote: "Rossi is king, long live the king. Stoner sucks."

See where you're coming from now mate. Not a very mature analysis though and hard to take you seriously. :doh:

Jeez lighten up, also the giest of the post was the traction control systems are too advanced, I reckon a lot of different results would occur if it was disallowed, It also hasn't escaped my attention that Yamaha & Honda also are now known to be using track geometry data for there t.c sys. So I must of been slagging all those riders huh.

[denill]

Jeez lighten up, also the giest of the post was the traction control systems are too advanced, I reckon a lot of different results would occur if it was disallowed, It also hasn't escaped my attention that Yamaha & Honda also are now known to be using track geometry data for there t.c sys. So I must of been slagging all those riders huh.

Ummm, don't know what that's got to do with anything?? Are you a politician?

I quoted you verbatim saying "Rossi is king, long live the king. Stoner sucks.". I'm sorry but that is the most non-credible put-down of Stoner I've ever heard and I've heard some.
Some riders will be more talented than others in observer's opinions and they're entitled to their opinions - even if they're wrong, like Gaz, lol.
But to say that ANY one of those riders "sucks" is inane. Specially Stoner, who has been the ONLY one to date who has put the Ducati up there.

So I repeat: Not a very mature analysis and hard to take you seriously!

[NZsarge]

Gotta say this is getting old...
Stoner can ride a bike, so can everyone else in MotoGP... Whatever.

[denill]

Stoner can ride a bike.

There now - that didn't hurt, did it. :msn-wink:

[Oscar]

Gotta say this is getting old...
Stoner can ride a bike, so can everyone else in MotoGP... Whatever.

They can certainly all ride.

Rossi may be the greatest ever and one of the measures of that is his ability to win on different marques and in different classes. I would dearly love to see Vale on a Ducati, but I think time is running out. However I am of the opinion that as far as World Champions go, the jury is still out on Stoner. He is undoubtedly one of the top three in the world now, but how will history see him?

We've had "one off" Champs before, guys who grabbed the opportunity when it arose. The likes of Schwantz and Uncini, guys who were the best for a fleeting point in time and could never repeat it.

Stoner? I think he'll be back, but one worrying aspect was his apparent mental fragility. Rossi got in his head, and there was no way back - still, he's young...

[wharfy]

Anyone who can even GET a ride in MotoGP has to be a shit hot rider, NO question, but Rossi is something else - 125,250 and 500 world champ then MotoGP but thats not all...


Rossi made history by moving to Yamaha in 2004 and winning the season-opening Grand Prix in South Africa, becoming the first rider in the history of the sport to win back-to-back premier class races for different manufacturers. He went on to win nine out of 16 races, finally clinching the world championship title, Yamaha's first for 12 years, with victory at the penultimate grand prix in Phillip Island. A final win at the Valencia Grand Prix also ensured that the Yamaha Factory Team won the team title.

I know Rossi took Jeremy Burgess with him from Honda but FARK Yamaha had not won a title for 12 YEARS !!!

Plus he is a sponsors dream, always seems witty and charming, I am sure someone can come up with an example of him being petulant or sulking - but I can't.

He will become a legend

[k14]

I am sure someone can come up with an example of him being petulant or sulking - but I can't
When he and Max when at it handbags and all on the way to the podium at Brno back in (when was it??) 01 or 00 maybe?

[enigma51]

Anyone who can even GET a ride in MotoGP has to be a shit hot rider, NO question, but Rossi is something else - 125,250 and 500 world champ then MotoGP but thats not all...



I know Rossi took Jeremy Burgess with him from Honda but FARK Yamaha had not won a title for 12 YEARS !!!

Plus he is a sponsors dream, always seems witty and charming, I am sure someone can come up with an example of him being petulant or sulking - but I can't.

He will become a legend

Rossi is very good and no rider I think will ever be on par but there is but one shit hot rider and that is kevin swantz you ask any of the racer of that era and they will all say that kevin is the fastest rider they have ever riden against

[Oscar]

Rossi is very good and no rider I think will ever be on par but there is but one shit hot rider and that is kevin swantz you ask any of the racer of that era and they will all say that kevin is the fastest rider they have ever riden against

Kevin Schwantz is living proof of the adage "To finish first, first you must finish".

[enigma51]

Kevin Schwantz is living proof of the adage "To finish first, first you must finish".

His living proof of win or bin


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and also that second is the fastest looser

[lostinflyz]

yea everyone reckons schwantz was a rocket ship but he suffered the same issue as biaggi, and many others with the dreaded bin it or win it syndrome.

but to say he was the best only for a fleeting moment is a joke. ok so he wasn't the smartest about winning, but in raw speed he had oodles of it.

Rossi is a great racer, the complete package - speed, brains and flair. But to say has always been the fastest is a wee exageration. When he isn't the fastest he has other tricks, and its that which makes him a magician. for much of this year i would say he wasn't the quickest out there but he raced smart.

[Oscar]

His living proof of win or bin


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and also that second is the fastest looser

Ahhh that brings back memories...


I was at the 1989 Aussie GP at Phillip Island as 250 pit crew and he threw it away right in front of where we were standing to watch the 500's. He was attempting to make a pass into turn one...

[svr]

... there is but one shit hot rider and that is kevin swantz you ask any of the racer of that era and they will all say that kevin is the fastest rider they have ever riden against

Rainey kicked Schwantz's arse all career long, and usually on inferior machinery, of course.

[Oscar]

Rainey kicked Schwantz's arse all career long, and usually on inferior machinery, of course.

Don't forget Lawson.
He was another guy who managed to win on two marques.
I watched him at Phillip Island once - arrived for qualifying in a Limo with blacked out windows, went straight to his motor home, got changed and walked straight to his pit with his helmet on. He did his qualifying laps, straight back to the motor home with his helmet still on, changed, hopped into the limo and left. He didn't appear to be enjoying his-self...

[RobRod]

Ummm, don't know what that's got to do with anything?? Are you a politician?

I quoted you verbatim saying "Rossi is king, long live the king. Stoner sucks.". I'm sorry but that is the most non-credible put-down of Stoner I've ever heard and I've heard some.
Some riders will be more talented than others in observer's opinions and they're entitled to their opinions - even if they're wrong, like Gaz, lol.
But to say that ANY one of those riders "sucks" is inane. Specially Stoner, who has been the ONLY one to date who has put the Ducati up there.

So I repeat: Not a very mature analysis and hard to take you seriously!

So Troy Ballis's win and Capirossi's 2nd at Valencia in 2006 don't rate then

[Oscar]

So Troy Ballis's win and Capirossi's 2nd at Valencia in 2006 don't rate then

Also there is the possibility that the bike is built to suit Stoner. Hayden complained long and loud that the latest version of Honda was built for Pedrosa and just didn't suit his riding style.

This of course opens the door to a discussion about the fact that the 800's suit the fast cornering style of the ex-125/250 (mainly Euro) riders and not the dirt track style of US/Aussie brigade of yore. That leads to a left-field theory about the new formula was designed by Dorna to suit the Latin riders (and how many races do they have in Spain & Italy?)....

[NZsarge]

Also there is the possibility that the bike is built to suit Stoner.

I don't think it's a possibility, it's a certainty. :yes:

[NZsarge]

There now - that didn't hurt, did it. :msn-wink:

I've never said he was'nt a talented rider....

But I have said he is a boring personality particularly in comparison to others in the past... and present..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't forget Lawson.
He was another guy who managed to win on two marques.
...

Three actually. Yamaha, Honda and Cagiva. Kawasaki in Super bikes if you count that = four!

[roogazza]

Three actually. Yamaha, Honda and Cagiva. Kawasaki in Super bikes if you count that = four!

I think he took 4 500 titles didn't he Pete ? 3 for Yamaha and 1 for Honda (just to piss Gardner off) and just the one race win for Cagiva ??
I was a big fan of 'Steady Eddie' . Gaz.

[denill]

An interesting <a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/poll/default.asp>Poll On Nicky H:</A>

[Oscar]

Three actually. Yamaha, Honda and Cagiva. Kawasaki in Super bikes if you count that = four!

I forgot about Cagiva.
I was talking about winning all the marbles, though.

[Oscar]

I think he took 4 500 titles didn't he Pete ? 3 for Yamaha and 1 for Honda (just to piss Gardner off) and just the one race win for Cagiva ??
I was a big fan of 'Steady Eddie' . Gaz.

ps Great day to be working !!! lol

I was at Phillip Island in 1989 and 1990 in a 250 pit.
If you watch the coverage carefully you can see me and Kev on the 500 grid, pre race.

Lawson, Gardner, Rainey, Sarron, Schwantz and Doohan.
Giants still strode the Earth in numbers...
These days we only seem to see a few great ones.

[denill]

So Troy Ballis's win and Capirossi's 2nd at Valencia in 2006 don't rate then

So on that basis you reckon that - "Stoner sucks"? Yeah, whatever. :confused:

[roogazza]

I was at Phillip Island in 1989 and 1990 in a 250 pit.
If you watch the coverage carefully you can see me and Kev on the 500 grid, pre race.

Lawson, Gardner, Rainey, Sarron, Schwantz and Doohan.
Giants still strode the Earth in numbers...
These days we only seem to see a few great ones.

You an ex GP mechanic Oscar ? Certainly was a great era Huh ? Gaz.

[Oscar]

You an ex GP mechanic Oscar ? Certainly was a great era Huh ? Gaz.

Nah, strictly amateur.
I was Manager/Dogsbody/Fixer of Team Mens Warehouse for Mike Webb.
This consisted of running his Castrol Six Hour Team (featuring Peter Clifford) and various product races and culminated in helping with his appearances at the 1989 & 1990 Aussie GP's.

Mike went on to work for various MotoGP/SBK teams, including stints as Crew Chief for Niall McKenzie, Simon Crafar, Norick Abe and Carlos Checa. He is now Technical Director of MotoGP.

Pete Clifford went on to run Red Bull Yamaha and is now in charge of the Red Bull Cup.

[roogazza]

Nah, strictly amateur.
I was Manager/Dogsbody/Fixer of Team Mens Warehouse for Mike Webb.
This consisted of running his Castrol Six Hour Team (featuring Peter Clifford) and various product races and culminated in helping with his appearances at the 1989 & 1990 Aussie GP's.
Pete Clifford went on to run Red Bull Yamaha and is now in charge of the Red Bull Cup.

Ok, I remember the name, Webb !
Clifford came out to NZ as a young pom to race Junior Prod. (that must of been mid seventies ?) .
I think he makes a better team manager !! LOL Gaz.

[svr]

I was a big fan of 'Steady Eddie' . Gaz.

After he won on the Honda it wasn't Steady Eddie anymore - it was Awesome Lawson. True professional.
Rainey kicked his arse too, of course.

[denill]

Dunno about you, but I like this:

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Nov/081103a.htm>Bayliss did the season-ending MotoGP race--the last of the 990 era--at Valencia in 2006. Bayliss' MotoGP career had some high points but none as high as those scored that weekend in Spain. When asked to do the race by Ducati Bayliss said he would--if he could take some of his crew from WSBK for the weekend as his MotoGP technicians. Marinelli and Tardozzi went with him, as did then WSBK Managing Director Paolo Ciabatti. A fairy-tale weekend ensued, with Bayliss winning the MotoGP race, beating teammate Loris Capirossi and every other MotoGP rider on the grid.
You'll never get Bayliss, Tardozzi or Marinelli to slag off on the subject of MotoGP, at least not on the record. But if you do subscribe to the opinion that MotoGP is filled with inflated egos and horribly sinister politics, at a level that would make a US senator proud, then Bayliss' Valencia win with Marinelli, Ciabatti and Tardozzi behind him remains one of the greatest "up yours" moments in modern GP racing. The 990 MotoGP era was closed off with a win by a Superbike rider dismissed as washed-up in MotoGP. You can't make that kind of stuff up.</A>

[Crasherfromwayback]

For letting Ben Spies go???

Duh.

Here's his 1st ride on the Yamaha Superbike!! Told you ages ago that this kid was a weapon.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Nov/081104f.htm

[gav]

After he won on the Honda it wasn't Steady Eddie anymore - it was Awesome Lawson. True professional.
Rainey kicked his arse too, of course.
LOL, yeah Lawson lost the Steady Eddie nickname fairly early on that season wrestling that NSR around!

[roogazza]

Ok Bill, looks like this racing forum is gunna die in the bum till the GP's start again ? Catch ya in Feb/March for the 09 bantering ! Gaz :done:

[Cleve]

Ok Bill, looks like this racing forum is gunna die in the bum till the GP's start again ? Catch ya in Feb/March for the 09 bantering ! Gaz :done:

Whaddyamean!!? We have the testing season to come!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ok Bill, looks like this racing forum is gunna die in the bum till the GP's start again ? Catch ya in Feb/March for the 09 bantering ! Gaz :done:

Hell no...it's alive and well!


Whaddyamean!!? We have the testing season to come!!

Aye. And here's something to chat about...Ben Spies will be groomed for Yamaha's Moto GP team, and will become world champion. Suzuki want's bumming for letting him go!

[pritch]

Ok Bill, looks like this racing forum is gunna die in the bum till the GP's start again ?

It'll slow down maybe, it doesn't need to stop...

Two photos from Phillip Island; both show a full four fingered grip of the front brake lever. One picture shows forks under compression, in both he's getting a lean on. He used to fall off a lot but he is getting better...

The third photo is to show Turn 2 which he's entering at that point.

I understand the Moto GP riders are using a four fingered grip on the front brake again as the slipper clutches permit block changing without repeated use of the clutch. A four fingered grip allowing greater sensitivity.

Maybe 250 riders do it that way because of the lack of engine braking?
Maybe it's just those trees?

[k14]

I think its rider preference, stoner uses 1 finger. All about what feels the best. Nice photos btw

[gav]

Hell no...it's alive and well!



Aye. And here's something to chat about...Ben Spies will be groomed for Yamaha's Moto GP team, and will become world champion. Suzuki want's bumming for letting him go!
How about Ben Spies in 2010 to the Tech 3 team replacing Edwards who returns and races the R1 in AMA Superbikes, or whatever they call the class now.

[k14]

How about Ben Spies in 2010 to the Tech 3 team replacing Edwards who returns and races the R1 in AMA Superbikes, or whatever they call the class now.
And then to the factory team after rossi retires?

[pritch]

And then to the factory team after rossi retires?

Fiat have extended their sponsorship until 2010. So Yamaha will be looking for a new rider and a new sponsor at the end of that season. Just might give an American an edge...

[gav]

Back when Lawson, Rainey and Doohan ruled the race tracks it was thought that a rider reached their peak at around 32 years old. Isn't Rossi 29 at the moment? So couple of more years should see him just getting into his prime! :shit:

[slowpoke]

Dunno about you, but I like this:

Bayliss did the season-ending MotoGP race--the last of the 990 era--at Valencia in 2006. Bayliss' MotoGP career had some high points but none as high as those scored that weekend in Spain. When asked to do the race by Ducati Bayliss said he would--if he could take some of his crew from WSBK for the weekend as his MotoGP technicians. Marinelli and Tardozzi went with him, as did then WSBK Managing Director Paolo Ciabatti. A fairy-tale weekend ensued, with Bayliss winning the MotoGP race, beating teammate Loris Capirossi and every other MotoGP rider on the grid.
You'll never get Bayliss, Tardozzi or Marinelli to slag off on the subject of MotoGP, at least not on the record. But if you do subscribe to the opinion that MotoGP is filled with inflated egos and horribly sinister politics, at a level that would make a US senator proud, then Bayliss' Valencia win with Marinelli, Ciabatti and Tardozzi behind him remains one of the greatest "up yours" moments in modern GP racing. The 990 MotoGP era was closed off with a win by a Superbike rider dismissed as washed-up in MotoGP. You can't make that kind of stuff up

Yep, I saw that and loved it too. Just goes to show how much of a team sport it really is. Bayliss is a racer's racer and it's fuggin' great that he underscored his career with that win.

[roogazza]

Whaddyamean!!? We have the testing season to come!!

There, it didn't take much to get things going again huh ? heh ! Gaz.

[Cajun]

This is interesting write up
comparing the 2007 m1 to 2008 m1

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/news/171592-0/inside_yamahas_2008_yzr-m1.html
-----
with some insights and some pictures

[eelracing]

Hell no...it's alive and well!



Aye. And here's something to chat about...Ben Spies will be groomed for Yamaha's Moto GP team, and will become world champion. Suzuki want's bumming for letting him go!


Rumour has it that Suzuki gave Ben the arse coz he wouldnt let go of his mommas apron strings.:buggerd:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rumour has it that Suzuki gave Ben the arse coz he wouldnt let go of his mommas apron strings.:buggerd:

Yeah I hear she's quite the Dragon Lady too...but they still should've signed him!

[Badjelly]

Good try guys but it'll be a hard road to keep this going until the first race next season. Ben Spies' Mama indeed!

[svr]

Good try guys but it'll be a hard road to keep this going until the first race next season. Ben Spies' Mama indeed!

Is Spies' Mama hot? Anyone got pics?
Should be a piece'o'piss to keep this thread going.

[denill]

Should be a piece'o'piss to keep this thread going.

Yeah and there's still lotsa ways to say that Stoner can't ride for shit, that no ones thought of yet, lol. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Badjelly]

Is Spies' Mama hot? Anyone got pics?

A wise man said, "Hotness is in the eye of the beholder." Pics here:

http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=337

[denill]

Is Spies' Mama hot? Anyone got pics?
<a href=http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=337>A look at Ben's mom Mary:</A>
Ummm.........

[Crasherfromwayback]

Is NOT hot.

[Badjelly]

Is NOT hot.

Shhh, she might hear you!

[speed63]

Is Spies the next Hopper...Young American with heaps of promise talked up bigtime but struggled to deliver at the highest level?

Similarities are uncanny, brought through the system by thier Momma and mentors
2 cents

[svr]

Is NOT hot.

C'mon Pete, lie back and think of the potential offspring... A little Sies - Crasher would be an action packed little fucker sure to get the crowds back!

[BarryG]

I'll chime in on Ben's behalf here. He sure looks like real deal, and going at it with Mladin over the last few years has made him a pretty complete racer. His early times on the old and new R1 (in Portugal) seem to show that he can jump onto something new and be competitive, as did his rides on the Suzuki GP bike.
I'm sure his mother has had a lot of influence on his behalf, but that somewhat tempered over time and guys like his manager Doug Gonda, and probably input from Kevin Schwantz, have lead to decisions for his future being based on reality and practicality as much as 'a mother knows best'.
Perhaps he is being groomed by Yamaha toward MotoGP, and a one year contract lends a bit of credence to this, but that's an ideal situation for someone new to the World scene.
I think America has someone who can rise to the top, like Hayden, rather than a Hopkins or (to some extent) Edwards, who have glimped the pinnacle but underachieved - I think Ben can get there.
Cheers
Barry
His only 'problem' might be his size - guys like the Pedrobot are going to more in demand than blokes who are real sized :laugh:

[Cleve]

His only 'problem' might be his size - guys like the Pedrobot are going to more in demand than blokes who are real sized :laugh:

Not according to what people are saying about the consequences of 1 tyre rule. Pedrosa will be at a disadvantage they reckon as the tyre will be built for an average size/weight rider...

[BarryG]

That tyre rule will throw a few 'unintended consequences' out there, for sure. Poor wee Dani, he gets what he wants and then it's given to everyone else, so throwing all his toys out of the permbulator gets him no advantage in the end. Justice.
I dunno, this manipulation in the name of better 'racing' is a hiding to nowhere - there's always been some sort of domination, whether rider (Ago, Doohan, Rossi) or bike (MV, Honda) and changing the rules to try to equalise it all ends up a bit of a blind alley, really.
There's a valid comparison to be made between GP and WSB, and GP ends up looking a bit lost at the moment. Bit like F1, altho' most racing on four wheels is pretty shite these days, so that's unfair.

Cheers
Barry

[Cajun]

The Jerez and Phillip Island tests mark the last MotoGP track action of 2008, with the winter test ban starting on December 1. The first test of 2009 takes place at Sepang from February 5-7.

1. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team 1min 39.525 sec
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 40.135 sec
3. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 41.163 sec
4. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha 1min 41.390 sec
5. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 41.468 sec
6. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha 1min 41.539 sec
7. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1min 41.655 sec
8. Toni Elias SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 41.679 sec
9. Niccolo Canepa ITA Alice Team 1min 42.074 sec
10. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 42.098 sec
11. Mika Kallio FIN Alice Team 1min 42.837 sec
12. Sete Gibernau SPA Onde 2000 Ducati (B) 1min 42.943 sec
13. Vittoriano Guareschi ITA Ducati Test Rider 1min 43.642 sec
14. Yuki Takahashi JPN Team Scot 1min 44.360 sec

2008 Spanish Grand Prix - 30/03/2008:
Pole position: Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha (M) 1min 38.189sec

Fastest race laps by manufacturer:
Honda: Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda (M) 1min 40.116sec
Yamaha: Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha (B) 1min 40.192sec
Suzuki: Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki (B) 1min 40.402sec
Kawasaki: John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing (B) 1min 41.336sec
Ducati: Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro (B) 1min 41.386sec

[Cleve]

The Jerez and Phillip Island tests mark the last MotoGP track action of 2008, with the winter test ban starting on December 1. The first test of 2009 takes place at Sepang from February 5-7.

1. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team 1min 39.525 sec
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 40.135 sec
3. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 41.163 sec
4. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha 1min 41.390 sec
5. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 41.468 sec
6. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha 1min 41.539 sec
7. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1min 41.655 sec
8. Toni Elias SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 41.679 sec
9. Niccolo Canepa ITA Alice Team 1min 42.074 sec
10. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 42.098 sec
11. Mika Kallio FIN Alice Team 1min 42.837 sec
12. Sete Gibernau SPA Onde 2000 Ducati (B) 1min 42.943 sec
13. Vittoriano Guareschi ITA Ducati Test Rider 1min 43.642 sec
14. Yuki Takahashi JPN Team Scot 1min 44.360 sec

2008 Spanish Grand Prix - 30/03/2008:
Pole position: Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha (M) 1min 38.189sec

Fastest race laps by manufacturer:
Honda: Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda (M) 1min 40.116sec
Yamaha: Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha (B) 1min 40.192sec
Suzuki: Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki (B) 1min 40.402sec
Kawasaki: John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing (B) 1min 41.336sec
Ducati: Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro (B) 1min 41.386sec

Those times shouldn't count anymore as there are no longer qualifying tyres.

[denill]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13297>No Kawasaki in 2009 ?</A> :eek:

[roogazza]

Cheers Bill, was just reading that 5 mins ago.
They really can't afford to lose any from an already small grid.

Happy New year, ready for the headache ? Gaz.

[denill]

Giday Gaz.

Yeah, I know they weren't up to much, but we are eternal optimists here and lived in hope that the maker of some marvelous hi performnce bikes would come good.

Best wishes Gaz and to the other KBers on here :beer:

Cheers
Bill

[Wingnut]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13297>No Kawasaki in 2009 ?</A> :eek:

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said in the other thread regarding this, it isn't good for the sport at all regardless of what some opinions of the GP Kawa is.:bye:

[BarryG]

Poor old Marco, he must be so pissed about now! Hopkins may not be all that bothered, his head didn't seem to be in it a lot of last season, as the Kawa didn't progress at all, and tossed him down the road too many times.
GP cannot afford to lose these teams, the grid is small enough as it is. WSB looks on a good bet as the days go by, don't it?
All the best to y'all in godzone for '09.

Cheers
Barry

[denill]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Dec/081230uq.htm>Is MotoGP Sustainable ? </A>

Here is a MotoGP team and a big energy drink sponsor. They have 2009 contracts with riders, test riders, crew and others in place, meaning they are committed to paying these people and firms, probably whether they race or not. That known, they now have decided that they would rather pay all of those contracted fixed costs and not race, rather than paying those costs and going racing.

[Cajun]

2009 current line up

Repsol Honda - Dani Pedrosa
Repsol Honda - Andrea Dovizioso

San Carlo Honda Gresini - Toni Elias
San Carlo Honda Gresini - Alex de Angelis

LCR Honda - Randy de Puniet

Scot Racing Honda - Yuki Takahashani

Rizla Suzuki - Loris Cappirossi
Rizla Suzuki - Christopher Vermulean

Ducati Marlboro - Casey Stoner
Ducati Marlboro - Nicky Hayden

Alice Ducati - Mika Kallio
Alice Ducati - Niccolo Canepa

Onde 2000 Ducati - Sete Gibernau

Fiat Yamaha - Valentino Rossi
Fiat Yamaha - Jorge Lorenzo

Tech 3 Yamaha - Colin Edwards
Tech 3 Yamaha - James Toseland

[denill]

2009 current line up

Repsol Honda - Dani Pedrosa
Repsol Honda - Andrea Dovizioso

San Carlo Honda Gresini - Toni Elias
San Carlo Honda Gresini - Alex de Angelis

LCR Honda - Randy de Puniet

Scot Racing Honda - Yuki Takahashani

Rizla Suzuki - Loris Cappirossi
Rizla Suzuki - Christopher Vermulean

Ducati Marlboro - Casey Stoner
Ducati Marlboro - Nicky Hayden

Alice Ducati - Mika Kallio
Alice Ducati - Niccolo Canepa

Onde 2000 Ducati - Sete Gibernau

Fiat Yamaha - Valentino Rossi
Fiat Yamaha - Jorge Lorenzo

Tech 3 Yamaha - Colin Edwards
Tech 3 Yamaha - James Toseland

Pretty dismal reading........... Just 4 makes of bikes :no: :no:

[Cajun]

Pretty dismal reading........... Just 4 makes of bikes :no: :no:

well from post i made earlyer kawasaki is meant to be racing, so that is still to be confirmed

[denill]

well from post i made earlyer kawasaki is meant to be racing, so that is still to be confirmed


Mmmm <A href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jan/090108kawinn.htm>Just Read This:</A> :clap:

[denill]

Mmmm <A href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jan/090108kawinn.htm>Just Read This:</A> :clap:
In that scenario - they wouldn't be the most dedicated team on the grid tho.......

[Cajun]

In that scenario - they wouldn't be the most dedicated team on the grid tho.......

wouldn't really say that, i just don't think the bike would get much development aka money spend on it this year, so

[denill]

wouldn't really say that, i just don't think the bike would get much development aka money spend on it this year, so

Yeah, that's what I said. Although the team members may, or may not be dedicated, the Factory will NOT be.

They have been bullied into being there. And one would expect they will do just that - just be there. :(

[Cleve]

Nope Kawasaki are out http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Kawasaki+to+suspend+MotoGP+racing+activities

[denill]

Nope Kawasaki are out http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Kawasaki+to+suspend+MotoGP+racing+activities

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13333>No, Yes, No, Yes, Nooooo:</A>

[denill]

<a href=http://www.motogpmatters.com/opinion/2009/01/08/saving_motogp_part_1_why_is_motogp_so_ex.html>Got Plenty of Time to Read This?</A> and <a href=http://www.motogpmatters.com/opinion/2009/01/09/saving_motogp_part_2_how_to_encourage_th.html>Part Two:</A> and Part Three to come! :cool:

[slowpoke]

<a href=http://www.motogpmatters.com/opinion/2009/01/08/saving_motogp_part_1_why_is_motogp_so_ex.html>Got Plenty of Time to Read This?</A> and <a href=http://www.motogpmatters.com/opinion/2009/01/09/saving_motogp_part_2_how_to_encourage_th.html>Part Two:</A> and Part Three to come! :cool:

Thanks mate, very interesting articles, and I'm looking forward to Part 3.

[denill]

Rossi on a WSB at Qatar in March???

http://www.bikesportnews.com/articles/article.html?id=ROSSI_TO_LINE_UP_ALONGSIDE_SPIES_A T_QATAR_WSB_1

[Cleve]

Rossi on a WSB at Qatar in March???

http://www.bikesportnews.com/articles/article.html?id=ROSSI_TO_LINE_UP_ALONGSIDE_SPIES_A T_QATAR_WSB_1

Fascinating. Rossi is trying to predict where the bike racing scene is going and getting ready for WSBK in 2011 when MotoGP will go belly up...

[denill]

<a href=http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2009/01/13/ilmor_interested_in_moto2.html>A Bit On Ilmor - and MotoGP2 May Not Happen?</A>

[Oscar]

<a href=http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2009/01/13/ilmor_interested_in_moto2.html>A Bit On Ilmor - and MotoGP2 May Not Happen?</A>

I was speaking to Mike Webb (interview for KR) about it last week and it was all go.

[denill]

I was speaking to Mike Webb (interview for KR) about it last week and it was all go.

Mike said - MotoGP2 was all go? Or Ilmor was all go?
Cheers, Bill

[Oscar]

Mike said - MotoGP2 was all go? Or Ilmor was all go?
Cheers, Bill

Sorry - he said MotoGP2 was all go.

[johan]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Domenicali+comments+on+Desmosedici+GP9+specifics

[denill]

Rossi Vs Bayliss <a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13363>Not Likely:</A> :(

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Kawasaki+undertake+private+test+at+Eastern+Creek

[denill]

<a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-stoner-tops-massa-in-ice-kart-race/>So Stoner goes OK on four wheels too:</A> :yes:

[denill]

Dennis Noyes comments on <a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-dorna-prepares-bailout-for-kawasaki/>Kawasaki and MotoGP in General:</A>

[Badjelly]

Oh no! (http://www.crash.net/MotoGP/News/142594/1/rossi_hurts_hand_and_foot_in_bizarre_home_incident .html)

[MIXONE]

Oh no! (http://www.crash.net/MotoGP/News/142594/1/rossi_hurts_hand_and_foot_in_bizarre_home_incident .html)

Pffft.Just a scratch.

[Wingnut]

Oh no! (http://www.crash.net/MotoGP/News/142594/1/rossi_hurts_hand_and_foot_in_bizarre_home_incident .html)

Im sure for the $30m million a year salary he gets, he will be able to suck it up and get out and do some testing???????????

He has ridden with worse injuries than that before.

[k14]

Pffft.Just a scratch.
I think him and uccio must have been getting up to some mischief in the bedroom :laugh:

[MIXONE]

I think him and uccio must have been getting up to some mischief in the bedroom :laugh:

I'd gladly be gay to ride like him.Unfortunately I'm a slow hetero.

[Cleve]

Common guys. The V Rossi gay thing is just old false news... http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070925150437AA47j3M

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Capirossi+fastest+in+first+day+of+2009+testing

[denill]

A bit surprised that Haystack is not up there with his team mate?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think he'll get the hang of it in time.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Suzuki still looking good!

http://www.motogp.com/en/TestResults/MotoGP+Test+Sepang

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.motogp.com/en/TestResults/MotoGP+Test+Sepang

[fredie]

1 Casey Stoner Ducati 2'01.043 38 38
2 Valentino Rossi Yamaha 2'01.137 42 43
3 Loris Capirossi Suzuki 2'01.262 10 57
4 Colin Edwards Yamaha 2'01.413 7 22
5 Toni Elias Honda 2'01.560 17 37
6 Chris Vermeulen Suzuki 2'01.666 4 48
7 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 2'01.907 21 61
8 Andrea Dovizioso Honda 2'01.955 35 54
9 Mika Kallio Ducati 2'02.386 34 61
10 Nicky Hayden Ducati 2'02.497 23 62
11 Alex De Angelis Honda 2'02.523 19 32
12 Sete Gibernau Ducati 2'02.727 12 42
13 Randy De Puniet Honda 2'03.418 24 50
14 Yuki Takahashi Honda 2'03.474 17 58
15 Niccolo Canepa Ducati 2'03.915 26 41
16 James Toseland Yamaha 2'03.953 31 36
17 Norihiko Fujiwara Yamaha 2'04.328 14 38
18 Waturu Yoshikawa Yamaha 2'04.614 32 33

Lap record: 2007, Casey Stoner, 2'02.108

:Punk::scooter::woohoo:

[lostinflyz]

hmm sounds familar. each year suzuki's bike is pretty quick at the tests and turns into a dog in time for the first race. hopefully one year it will change.

[gav]

And Casey is only riding with one hand! :2thumbsup
http://www.mcnews.com.au/MotorcycleRacing2009/MotoGP/Test_Feb_Sepang/Gallery_A/images/Stoner_09SepT_1596_AN.jpg

[Crasherfromwayback]

Could well be fireworks!

[denill]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Feb/090218a.htm>MotoGP Cost Cutting:</A>? :whistle:

[Cajun]

interesting no launch control or Electronic suspension

[lostinflyz]

haha its a bit of a joke. theres been no announcement of the penalty (if any) for breaching any of these agreements. its all good and well now to say this but when the championship is starting to narrow down i cant see any of this holding out for long.

the no launch control thing seems a joke too. itll just be called low speed gps controlled traction assistance now.

[Mystic13]

Common guys. The V Rossi gay thing is just old false news... http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070925150437AA47j3M

and from "TheYellowCommunity"... interesting lot those people. The Rossi fans are have pretty strong opinions on the "Rossi Girls"...




Scroll down for a visual history of some of Rossi's girlfriends.

http://www.theyellowcommunity.com/1-english-room/3-off-topic/13418-riders-girlfriends-28.html




and not to be out done some of the other riders girlfriends and wives.

http://www.theyellowcommunity.com/1-english-room/3-off-topic/13418-riders-girlfriends.html




Personally I think Moto GP should release a girlfriends and wives calender.

[Cajun]

Test times from day 1 at qatar (was can'ed due to rain)

------------
Test Times

1. Nicky Hayden (USA) Ducati Marlboro Team 2'00.717
2. Marco Melandri (ITA) Hayate Racing Team 2'00.867
3. Mika Kallio (FIN) Alice Team 2'01.020
4. Alex De Angelis (RSM) Team San Carlo 2'01.074
5. Niccolo Canepa (ITA) Alice Team 2'01.328
6. Chris Vermeulen (AUS) Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 2'01.843
7. Yuki Takahashi (JPN) Scot Racing Team 2'03.221
8. Andrea Dovizioso (ITA) Repsol Honda 2'03.233
9. James Toseland (GBR) Tech 3 Yamaha 2'03.417
10. Randy De Puniet (FRA) LCR Honda MotoGP 2'03.417
11. Colin Edwards (USA) Tech 3 Yamaha 2'03.652
12. Toni Elias (SPA) Team San Carlo 2'08.637
13. Jorge Lorenzo (SPA) Fiat Yamaha Team 2'24.832
14. Valentino Rossi (ITA) Fiat Yamaha Team 12'31.872
------------
funny seening rossi saying 12 mins for a lap

[Cajun]

Reports are coming in from, um, tonight's MotoGP testing session at Qatar that Repsol Honda rider and former 250 world champion Dani Pedrosa has crashed and has been injured.

Early reports have Pedrosa re-fracturing his wrist and damaging his leg in the spill.

[denill]

Reports are coming in from, um, tonight's MotoGP testing session at Qatar that Repsol Honda rider and former 250 world champion Dani Pedrosa has crashed and has been injured.

Early reports have Pedrosa re-fracturing his wrist and damaging his leg in the spill.

<a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-pedrosa-suffers-huge-crash-in-qatar/>Speed TV Reports:</A>

[roogazza]

<a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-pedrosa-suffers-huge-crash-in-qatar/>Speed TV Reports:</A>

He seems a little fragile , other than physically ? would you agree Bill ? Gaz.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He seems a little fragile , other than physically ? would you agree Bill ? Gaz.

Soft is the word you may be looking for when you consider some of the nasty injuries a lot of other racers have raced with over the years!

[denill]

He seems a little fragile , other than physically ? would you agree Bill ? Gaz.

Yeah he cops a bit, eh Gaz. But hey, when ya biff those things??????????

[denill]

<a href=http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Stoner+ahead+of+the+pack+on+second+evening+under+t he+floodlights>Just for Gaz, but hey, your man's right there.....</A>

[roogazza]

Hey, with 'Big Ben Pies' puttin a great ride at PI (which Pete predicted, good one !) we may just have two titles for Yamaha in 09 ?? ha hah Gaz.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hey, with 'Big Ben Pies' puttin a great ride at PI (which Pete predicted, good one !) we may just have two titles for Yamaha in 09 ?? ha hah Gaz.

Bectha Yamaha will have Spies on a GP bike next year!

[Cajun]

Bectha Yamaha will have Spies on a GP bike next year!

depends how chupa chup boy gets on this year, wouldn't want two Americans on the same team, so has to go factory or another team all together, don't see that happening in this economic climate

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Stoner+ahead+of+the+pack+on+second+evening+under+t he+floodlights

[k14]

depends how chupa chup boy gets on this year, wouldn't want two Americans on the same team, so has to go factory or another team all together, don't see that happening in this economic climate
Who says colin wouldn't be the one getting the retirement deal riding yamaha in ama? Although if toseland doesn't start showing some better form he will be gone. I'd be very surprised to see spies have a 2nd year in wsbk if he won the championship.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Who says colin wouldn't be the one getting the retirement deal riding yamaha in ama? Although if toseland doesn't start showing some better form he will be gone. I'd be very surprised to see spies have a 2nd year in wsbk if he won the championship.

I doubt Spies will be in World Supers next year regardless of where he finishes overall this year.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But I'd be shitting myself if my main competitor was over a second faster than me.

Think Rossi's gonna have a tough time again this year. Bring it on!!!

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Stoner+on+top+in+the+final+day+at+Losail

[Cajun]

i see mr chupa chup boy did good as well.

[vifferman]

Think Rossi's gonna have a tough time again this year. Bring it on!!!
I bet you that's what Rossi's saying too - he really loves a good 'battle'!

[Shaun]

I doubt Spies will be in World Supers next year regardless of where he finishes overall this year.



Spies will end up with Colin Edwards bikes next year I reckon

[denill]

But I'd be shitting myself if my main competitor was over a second faster than me.

Hey, I've just thought of something...........

Maybe, just maybe, Stoner is a pretty damned good rider of a MotoGP machine????

[Crasherfromwayback]

Spies will end up with Colin Edwards bikes next year I reckon

Yup. And Edwards will be riding Spies superbike as a retirement package!

[denill]

Spies will end up with Colin Edwards bikes next year I reckon

Or more probably - either Edward's or Toseland's, unless something spectacular comes from those two this season.

But whatever, Spies opposition will be wishing he stayed in AMA.

[codgyoleracer]

Hey, I've just thought of something...........

Maybe, just maybe, Stoner is a pretty damned good rider of a MotoGP machine????

Havent been keeping up with things - Have Yamaha fitted the electronic rear shock system yet - I did hear that Ducati were well advanced with their system. Is this the difference ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Havent been keeping up with things - Have Yamaha fitted the electronic rear shock system yet - I did hear that Ducati were well advanced with their system. Is this the difference ?

Dunno mate...but Stoner still seems to be the only guy that can ride the thing as it needs to be ridden!

Congrats on another title too by the way. I haven't been to Manfeild to spectate in years but went this year...and you were humming!!

Pete

[Cajun]

Havent been keeping up with things - Have Yamaha fitted the electronic rear shock system yet - I did hear that Ducati were well advanced with their system. Is this the difference ?

don't think they can, i remember reading something about no electonic suspenion, came under clause of 'cost cutting measures'

[roogazza]

But I'd be shitting myself if my main competitor was over a second faster than me.
Think Rossi's gonna have a tough time again this year. Bring it on!!!

[QUOTE=denill;1965859]Hey, I've just thought of something...........
Maybe, just maybe, Stoner is a pretty damned good rider of a MotoGP machine????

LOL its started already !!!! Good to see you two have got over 08 !!! Gaz.

:soon: :jerry:

[denill]

LOL its started already !!!! Good to see you two have got over 08 !!! Gaz.

2008 Gaz? Hey, that is as they say - history. :Pokey:

[denill]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/03/04/mladin-to-the-top>Not really about MotoGP, but about a rider who should have spent more time in that class:</A>

[Cleve]

Bectha Yamaha will have Spies on a GP bike next year!

But with what is happening at WSBK and MotoGP maybe he would prefer to stay in WSBK??!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

But with what is happening at WSBK and MotoGP maybe he would prefer to stay in WSBK??!!

Nah mate. I simply cannot believe any true motorcycle racer wouldn't want to be the Moto GP champ!!!

Foggy...Mladin..and God knows how many others have said they're happy where they are...but seriously...would you?

I know when I started road racing...there was only one place I wanted to be.

And it wasn't AMA or World Superbike Champ!

[k14]

And it wasn't AMA or World Superbike Champ!
NZ superbike champs?

[johan]

GP9 swingarm

[denill]

GP9 swingarm

Just another example how MotoGP helps evolve the bikes we ride on the road.

We may all be riding on S/arms like the GP9, or maybe not.

[denill]

Have <a href=http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=34219071&threadid=34219071>Read Here:</A> that Hampton Downs is to stage a MotoGP round in 2010?? Any one heard anything?
I don't think so................

[Oscar]

Have <a href=http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=34219071&threadid=34219071>Read Here:</A> that Hampton Downs is to stage a MotoGP round in 2010?? Any one heard anything?
I don't think so................

It ain't gonna happen.
Leaving aside more practical problems like the vast sums of money involved, the waiting list for a round and the crowed calender - the track hasn't been inspected by DORNA.

[denill]

It ain't gonna happen.
Leaving aside more practical problems like the vast sums of money involved, the waiting list for a round and the crowed calender - the track hasn't been inspected by DORNA.

Not MotoGP – <a href= http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=34219071&threadid=34219071>From TM again:</A> Hampton Downs Motorsport Park has recently won a bid to host a round of the SUPERBIKE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. Hampton Downs CEO, Jamie Kett, said it was a fantastic international series and a major sporting and tourism boost for New Zealand. The SuperBike World Championship has 15 international rounds from late February to mid October. The New Zealand leg will be staged a week after the Phillip Island round in Australia in late February. Each round has four race classes with 140 riders from 27 countries participating. Mr Kett said that Hampton Downs had negotiated the rights to hold the event from 2010 for a minimum of 3 years. The SuperBike World Championship has a worldwide media audience of more than two billion people.

[johan]

Has anyone read the new rules for 2010:

http://www.fim-live.com/en/media/news/news-detail/article/fim-road-racing-world-championship-grand-prix-changes-to-the-2009-regulations-6/

[codgyoleracer]

Not MotoGP – <a href= http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=34219071&threadid=34219071>From TM again:</A> Hampton Downs Motorsport Park has recently won a bid to host a round of the SUPERBIKE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. Hampton Downs CEO, Jamie Kett, said it was a fantastic international series and a major sporting and tourism boost for New Zealand. The SuperBike World Championship has 15 international rounds from late February to mid October. The New Zealand leg will be staged a week after the Phillip Island round in Australia in late February. Each round has four race classes with 140 riders from 27 countries participating. Mr Kett said that Hampton Downs had negotiated the rights to hold the event from 2010 for a minimum of 3 years. The SuperBike World Championship has a worldwide media audience of more than two billion people.

Geez, I hope that happens, may even take an extra day of work for it :-)

[Oscar]

Has anyone read the new rules for 2010:

http://www.fim-live.com/en/media/news/news-detail/article/fim-road-racing-world-championship-grand-prix-changes-to-the-2009-regulations-6/

And here's the guy that wrote 'em (note Kiwi Rider sticker):

[slowpoke]

Geez, I hope that happens, may even take an extra day of work for it :-)

You might need a bit more than that for the "wildcard" entry mate.....

[Brian d marge]

This is nothing but good. As long as Hampton downs don't stuff anything up ,,, it will be a great thing for NZ

Stephen

[denill]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Apr/indy-uccio.htm>I knew all along he wasn't gay!</A> :msn-wink: :msn-wink:

[svr]

Qatar free practice:
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Stoner+continues+on+the+pace+as+Qatar+weekend+open s

Stoner fastest, team-mate 13th, business as usual...

[Matt Bleck]

I just watched the Qual live timing on motoGP.com, Stoner was on fire!

<a href="http://tinypic.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/jrppxk.jpg" border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic"></a>

[denill]

I just watched the Qual live timing on motoGP.com, Stoner was on fire!

<a href="http://tinypic.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/jrppxk.jpg" border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic"></a>

And look at bloody Melandri?????????? While since he's been up there. That bloody Ducati was slow, eh. Ohhh, that's right. :dodge:

[k14]

And look at bloody Melandri?????????? While since he's been up there. That bloody Ducati was slow, eh. Ohhh, that's right. :dodge:
Yeah looking at his pace in the practice sessions I think he could definately be in for a top 8 finish. Hayden didn't go very well though, had a massive crash (highside at around 200kph the commentators said) and was looking a little worse for wear. Didn't hear how bad his injuries were though, he may be out if it was as bad as it looked.

[roogazza]

And look at bloody Melandri?????????? While since he's been up there. That bloody Ducati was slow, eh. Ohhh, that's right. :dodge:
Suzukis are there too Bill, that's good to see. Wingnut with roughly 400ths over Rossi, is that enough ??? lol Gaz.

[k14]

Suzukis are there too Bill, that's good to see. Wingnut with roughly 400ths over Rossi, is that enough ??? lol Gaz.
I think you mean 4 tenths! :bash:

[denill]

Suzukis are there too Bill, that's good to see. Wingnut with roughly 400ths over Rossi, is that enough ??? lol Gaz.
Yeah, Capirossi is STILL delivering the goods, eh Gaz.

Rossi/Stoner? It's goin to be all on. Wouldn't bet on the outcome. But if I did.............

I know WSBK is good racing but hey, they are either MotoGP riders put out to pasture or keen as hell up and comers who are not very likely to make it in MotoGP anyway.

[roogazza]

I think you mean 4 tenths! :bash:

Sorry K14, did that wrong huh ! G.

ps Wasn't getting up at 5am worth it ?

[k14]

Sorry K14, did that wrong huh ! G.

ps Wasn't getting up at 5am worth it ?
Yeah to watch a 4 lap 125 race, big spectacle that...

The MotoGP and F1 organisers couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. What a complete joke. Who knows whats going to happen, I doubt they can reschedule to tomorrow so we will have to wait 2 more weeks for the first race of the season!

Edit: Just found this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/motorbikes/7996183.stm), I think that is 7am our time?

[denill]

Now our big worry is - will SKY bother fitting it in??? :eek5:

[k14]

Now our big worry is - will SKY bother fitting it in??? :eek5:
Yeah exactly, the time actually translates to 6am our time. Might have to download or watch off the motogp website.

[Wingnut]

Sky is advertising the GP to be screened tomorrow at 5.55am on Sport 3

[NZsarge]

Sky is advertising the GP to be screened tomorrow at 5.55am on Sport 3

F'ing mint!
Thanks.

[johan]

MotoGP 2009 has started!

Are we allowed discuss results here, or is this a spoiler free zone?

[denill]

MotoGP 2009 has started!

Are we allowed discuss results here, or is this a spoiler free zone?

Bit soon yet, methinks. Interesting race tho, eh. :eek5:

[codgyoleracer]

It was interesting & pretty much controlled throughout...........

[wbks]

Someone care to say how it went? I was going to watch it yesterday but nobody I knew with sky was keen for me to go over there at 5am this morning and crank their tv up... Funny that...

[denill]

Someone care to say how it went? I was going to watch it yesterday but nobody I knew with sky was keen for me to go over there at 5am this morning and crank their tv up... Funny that...

Have posted a spoiler. :bye:

[Wingnut]

It was interesting & pretty much controlled throughout...........

I agree - went according to his master plan - no doubt whatsoever.

[johan]

Nice close up of a bike.
Make sure you zoom in on it

[johan]

The cockpit

[discotex]

Nice close up of a bike.


You can tell the conversation went something like this back at Ducati.

engineer 1: "I've been thinking about how we should build the new frame."

engineer 2: "Frame? Why do we need one of those. Just bolt the swing-arm to the engine."

engineer 1: "Oooooooooook. But how to we attached the forks?"

engineer 2: "Aaahh see son what we'll do is... bolt the forks to the airbox then bolt the airbox to the engine. Done!"

[Badjelly]

Probably more like this:


Sto pensando a come dovremmo sviluppare la nuova struttura.

Struttura? Perché abbiamo bisogno di una struttura? Serri appena il oscillare-braccio al motore.

Approvazione. Ma come attacchiamo le forcelle?

Vedi che il mio ragazzo che cosa faremo è questo. Serri le forcelle al airbox allora serrano il airbox al motore. Fatto!

Fatto.

[denill]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/06/03/roberts-to-moto2-class>Kenny Roberts to Moto2?</A>

[Cleve]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/06/03/roberts-to-moto2-class>Kenny Roberts to Moto2?</A>

Very interesting. This Moto2 thing could be better than I first thought.

[Cajun]

Dani Pedrosa - Fastest Man in MotoGP


Although Dani Pedrosa didn’t have the best weekend in Mugello, he did win the title of the fastest man to ever ride a MotoGP bike. The Jockey sized Spainard was clocked in the speed trap at a phenomenal 217.03mph, shattering the previous record set by Makoto Tamada by 4mph.

Tamada, while also on a Honda, set his time on the 990cc variant of MotoGP bike, while at the Shanghai circuit in 2006. With the 800cc machines originally thought to be down on power when compared to their predacessors, we have seen them breaking lap records all over the series, and now they can claim the top speed honor as well.

Part of the success of the 800cc bikes is that while making less power, they deliver it in a much more usuable fashion, thus allowing for greater overall speed. This top speed record is a bit astonishing though, when you consider that pure straight line speed is usually a matter of sheer horsepower and aerodynamics.

Because of this we presume, there had initially been doubt over the accuracy of the speed measurement, but Pedrosa’s achievement was quickly confirmed ahead of the MotoGP race.

Before this past weekend, the fastest top speed at Mugello was 213.11mph, recorded by Alex Barros in 2004.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Pedrosa+top+speed+record+mugello

[Cajun]

Brembo Analytics Show Best Braker at Mugello GP


Well, he clever folk at Brembo did some analytic interpretations from the data-logging the teams used at Mugello, and have figured out who the best brakers were at the Italian circuit this weekend. Results after the jump.

According to Brembo, in the final braking phase of the straight that takes you to the San Donato curve, the maximum speed of rider and bike goes from just under 200mph to around 65mph, all in a matter of 6.4 seconds or 1100 feet. The stress on the brakes from this change in speed will cause the carbon fiber discs to reach temperatures of about 1000° F, as if the situation wasn’t hot enough (a-oh!).

Brembo collected all the telemetry data from the teams after the official practices, and have come up with this following list of who is the best on the brakes at Mugello.

Top Ten Brakers at the San Donato Curve 2009:

1° Loris Capirossi (Rizla Suzuki)
2° Valentino Rossi (Fiat Yamaha Team)
3° Casey Stoner (Ducati Marlboro Team)
3° Jorge Lorenzo (Fiat Yamaha Team)
5° Andrea Dovizioso (Repsol Honda)
6° Chris Vermeulen (Rizla Suzuki)
7° Randy De Puniet (LCR Honda)
8° Dani Pedrosa (Repsol Honda)
9° Colin Edwards (Monster Yamaha Tech 3)
10° Marco Melandri (Hayate Racing Team)


http://www.omnimoto.it/magazine/3072/motogp-2009-mugello-capirex-stacca-dopo

[denill]

Brembo Analytics Show Best Braker at Mugello GP


THOSE BRAKING STATS WERE VERY INTERESTING. THANKS.

Thought Melandri would have been further up the list?