Interested in MotoGP?

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Brembo Analytics Show Best Braker at Mugello GP



http://www.omnimoto.it/magazine/3072/motogp-2009-mugello-capirex-stacca-dopo

I wonder if the data is based on how late, how hard or how hot they got ?, its weird with some riders that they can hit the brake earlier and trail brake at higher speeds to beat the fella into the corner that brakes later and harder.
Glen

[discotex]

Dani Pedrosa - Fastest Man in MotoGP


Didn't quite crack 350km/h but 349km/h is damn fast!

[fredie]

lets do the casey dance:woohoo::hug:

[MattRSK]

Interested in MotoGP? Is that like saying "Enjoy breathing?"

[denill]

The Ducati Puzzle: :(

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/06/11/hayden-to-try-different-ducati>Hayden said he's constantly being told to be more aggressive. " ‘You just got to be aggressive with this bike and do like Casey.' Around the lap, my throttle percentage wide open is more than him," Hayden said. "We come out of the corner and I get to wide open, not long before does, but a lot of places before him.</A>

[Oscar]

The Ducati Puzzle: :(

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/06/11/hayden-to-try-different-ducati>Hayden said he's constantly being told to be more aggressive. " ‘You just got to be aggressive with this bike and do like Casey.' Around the lap, my throttle percentage wide open is more than him," Hayden said. "We come out of the corner and I get to wide open, not long before does, but a lot of places before him.</A>

That shock pump he's complaining about may come from the fact the new carbon fibre frame may be too rigid. I was reading an article by Kevin Cameron about vibration damping in frames. I'll see if I can find a copy...

[roogazza]

The Ducati Puzzle: :(

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/06/11/hayden-to-try-different-ducati>Hayden said he's constantly being told to be more aggressive. " ‘You just got to be aggressive with this bike and do like Casey.' Around the lap, my throttle percentage wide open is more than him," Hayden said. "We come out of the corner and I get to wide open, not long before does, but a lot of places before him.</A>

Interesting stuff Bill, better men than us don't seem to be able to fix it. It doesn't sound like getting on the gas is the problem, its after that ?
Rossi for a win at Catalunya lol ????? Gaz......

[Crasherfromwayback]

That shock pump he's complaining about may come from the fact the new carbon fibre frame may be too rigid. I was reading an article by Kevin Cameron about vibration damping in frames. I'll see if I can find a copy...

The shock pumping problem was with them last year with the steel frame as well.

[denill]

Rossi for a win at Catalunya lol ????? Gaz......

Given up betting on a MotoGP podium now GAZ, lol. That is, the order on the podium - as it should be between 3 riders. Or Pedrosa may stuff that theory. Know he's injured but he's a tough little prick.

Whatever, it's gonna be good :niceone:

[roogazza]

Given up betting on a MotoGP podium now GAZ, lol. That is, the order on the podium - as it should be between 3 riders. Or Pedrosa may stuff that theory. Know he's injured but he's a tough little prick.

Whatever, it's gonna be good :niceone:

I'm enthused , I've got my big tv back again. (shit itself) I'm just praying for a fine race. (there's enough rain around here, thanks ! )
The mexican didn't look a well chook in his last big off, I think he may be out of it ? Gaz.

[Wingnut]

I wonder if the data is based on how late, how hard or how hot they got ?, its weird with some riders that they can hit the brake earlier and trail brake at higher speeds to beat the fella into the corner that brakes later and harder.
Glen


Yea - Long and little vs Late and hard I guess. I cant believe just how much braking they can do even at such lean angles. Amazing tyre technology amongst other things I guess.:clap:

[k14]

The Ducati Puzzle: :(

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/06/11/hayden-to-try-different-ducati>Hayden said he's constantly being told to be more aggressive. " ‘You just got to be aggressive with this bike and do like Casey.' Around the lap, my throttle percentage wide open is more than him," Hayden said. "We come out of the corner and I get to wide open, not long before does, but a lot of places before him.</A>
Well looks like its done something! Sixth in FP1, only have a sec off stoner.

[Cleve]

Well looks like its done something! Sixth in FP1, only have a sec off stoner.

But back to 13th in qualifying for the race...

[k14]

But back to 13th in qualifying for the race...
He binned it with a few mins left in qualifying. Only 0.25s off 5th I think it was. I think it definately is an improvement but I don't think we will see him winning any races this year (or any to come in motogp). Wonder how he'd do in world sbk?

[discotex]

Holy shit Catalunya 2009 was the BEST RACE EVER! :gob::eek:

I don't think I took a breath the whole last lap.

Whoever said the tyre rule was going to be bad for MotoGP should take a look at the championship standings now eh...

[denill]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/06/24/simoncelli-to-gresini-honda>The Silly Season Has Started:</A> :whistle:

[Badjelly]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/06/24/simoncelli-to-gresini-honda>The Silly Season Has Started:</A> :whistle:

...and it'll be a long one.

How about Gabor Talmacsi (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2009/May/may1509-talmacsi-to-honda-motogp/) in the Scot Honda team? That's a bit of a surprise. He was well back at Catalunya, but I'm sure he'll improve.

[denill]

Heads up for Assen. TOMORROW (SATURDAY) Sky Sport 3, Live - 8.45pm to 1.30am.

Thursday Practice Times:
1. Randy De Puniet (Honda) 1:37.842
2. Valentino Rossi (Yamaha) 1:37.847
3. Casey Stoner (Ducati) 1:37.877
4. Jorge Lorenzo (Yamaha) 1:38.061
5. Andrea Dovizioso (Honda) 1:38.092
6. Dani Pedrosa (Honda) 1:38.194
7. Colin Edwards (Yamaha) 1:38.205
8. Chris Vermeulen (Suzuki) 1:38.350
9. James Toseland (Yamaha) 1:38.379
10. Loris Capirossi (Suzuki) 1:38.429
11. Alex De Angelis (Honda) 1:38.495
12. Nicky Hayden (Ducati) 1:38.928
13. Mika Kallio (Ducati) 1:39.464
14. Marco Melandri (Kawasaki) 1:39.597
15. Toni Elias (Honda) 1:39.642

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Top 11 within one second.............

[MIXONE]

Top 11 within one second.............

Gotta love it!
Hopefully another thriller.

[denill]

<A HREF=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jun/090630rydernotes.htm>A Bit More On Moto2:</A>

[Cleve]

<A HREF=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jun/090630rydernotes.htm>A Bit More On Moto2:</A>

Hmmm so a one bike only rule. And a wet race. Stop the race, change tyres, re start the race - like a few years ago in MotoGP and SBK?

[denill]

Ducati rider Casey Stoner thinks he may suffering a form of chronic fatigue syndrome. Stoner ended the opening practice session physically exhausted, just as he has done at the end of the previous two races in Barcelona and Assen. He was third in both those races.

Despite new medication. Stoner was feeling tired, weak, and nauseous just 30 minutes into the one-hour session although he finished with the third fastest time behind Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo.

Stoner said his condition was similar to how he finished the Dutch TT at Assen six days ago where the exhaustion also triggered stomach cramps andvomiting. The 2007 World Champion said he was also suffering arm pump and having to brake early, which limited his performance.

"The reason I’m getting exhaustion -- I have no idea," Stoner said. "We still have no insight into what’s going on and there’s just no reason for it. I feel good during the week and then as soon as anything happens, I’m just dead. So until we find this out, I think we’re going to just keep running into the same issue."

Stoner has consulted his doctor by telephone and has also spoken at length with his personal trainer in Australia.

The thought is that his illness could be the fatigue syndrome -- Epstein-Barr is the medical term -- that once struck fellow Australian and AMA Superbike star Mat Mladin."This is a symptom which I’ve spoken to a doctor that I trust in Australia and they say this is quite a possible," Stoner said. "So hopefully with a lot of different ideas running around we can take the right tests and they can come up with exactly what it is. And it’d be nice that we could figure that out but at the moment we’re really struggling with it."

Stoner is uncertain just how he will cope with Sunday's 32-lap race in bid to maintain his stake in the world championship battle against Rossi and Lorenzo.

Stoner won at Laguna Seca in 2007 on the way to his world title win and was second last year after his brutal battle with Rossi in a thrilling race.

"I'll see how the weekend goes," hesaid. "We’re taking a few different things this weekend and we’ll just see if we can keep my energy levels up a little bit higher for longer during the race. I feel that these last three tracks we’ve had the pace to at least fight for the win even if I eventually get the same result.

"But I’m just watching them ride off into the distance and struggling to get around the track myself and keep the rest of the riders behind me. So it’s kind of boring races for me. I’m just sitting there trying to survive."

In the Catalunya and Dutch Grands Prix -- both won by Rossi -- Stoner was unable to respond to the front-running pace despite having what he considered to be a competitive Ducati package.

[Brian d marge]

I had Epstein barr when I first arrived in Japan

I was off work for a couple of months, its like having glandular fever , high temp , NO Energy ,,I mean you cant drag yourself off the couch

I went to hospital everyday and was on a drip for an hour

I think they call it kissing desease , ( now I WAS up to no good, I wonder who in the stoner camp,,,,,,,,,)

for him to get the position he got was amazing

Stephen

[denill]

I had Epstein barr when I first arrived in Japan

Mmmmm, not bad company you're keeping. Miladin and Stoner :yes:

[Brian d marge]

Mmmmm, not bad company you're keeping. Miladin and Stoner :yes:

Actually it was a Thai hooker in Auckland, and as Neither Miladin ( possibly Stoner as he is Australian ) have been to Auckland, then the byatch must be following the GP circus

Stephen

[denill]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/07/07/roberts-back-in-world-championship>Kenny Roberts to Moto2:</A>

[slowpoke]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/07/07/roberts-back-in-world-championship>Kenny Roberts to Moto2:</A>

Now that's interesting. The KR team have certainly got a handle on making chassis at the top level and weren't half bad at it. Their "last of the mohican's" 500cc effort was a sweet thing and they had some good results with the underfunded Honda effort.

[denill]

Now that's interesting. The KR team have certainly got a handle on making chassis at the top level and weren't half bad at it. Their "last of the mohican's" 500cc effort was a sweet thing and they had some good results with the underfunded Honda effort.

Have to hand it to him. He puts his money where his mouth is.

Be interesting to see if KR Jr rides it?? ;)

Surely NOT Kurtis.................:crybaby:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I had Epstein barr when I first arrived in Japan

I was off work for a couple of months, its like having glandular fever , high temp , NO Energy ,,I mean you cant drag yourself off the couch

I went to hospital everyday and was on a drip for an hour

I think they call it kissing desease , ( now I WAS up to no good, I wonder who in the stoner camp,,,,,,,,,)

for him to get the position he got was amazing

Stephen

I too have had it...and it knocked the shit out of me for months. If you listen to the wanna be racers and experts...Stoner should just HTFU...once again...shows us all what little they know!

[Badjelly]

I had Epstein barr when I first arrived in Japan.


I too have had it...and it knocked the shit out of me for months. If you listen to the wanna be racers and experts...Stoner should just HTFU...once again...shows us all what little they know!

No, James Deuce knows the answer as usual. It's "slight gastritis and mild anaemia":

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=103355

Dr Badjelly prescribes HTFU pills, to be taken twice a day until the whining stops. I'll send over a packet immediately.

[PirateJafa]

Dr Badjelly prescribes HTFU pills, to be taken twice a day until the whining stops. I'll send over a packet immediately.

Don't forget the anti-wusstamines.

[Crasherfromwayback]

No, James Deuce knows the answer as usual. It's "slight gastritis and mild anaemia":

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=103355

Dr Badjelly prescribes HTFU pills, to be taken twice a day until the whining stops. I'll send over a packet immediately.

I'll say if Dr Softjelly can ride any sort of racebike at any sort of pace well I'll lick your balls let alone a 230hp evil projectile whilst anything but 100% fit and healthy.

[Badjelly]

I'll say if Dr Softjelly can ride...

Dr Badjelly's remarks were entirely in jest. The doctor has made it clear elsewhere on this site that he is a racing fan and never-was-racer who has great admiration for anyone who is brave and/or silly enough to race a motorcycle, and greater admiration still for someone like Casey Stoner who is at the peak of his profession (or thereabouts).

PS: Oh, and by the way, thank you for the conditional offer to lick my balls, but I shall demur.

[Benk]

I'll say if Dr Softjelly can ride any sort of racebike at any sort of pace well I'll lick your balls let alone a 230hp evil projectile whilst anything but 100% fit and healthy.

Man, I think you are taking this a little too seriously. Im pretty sure everybody realises (through assumption) how much skill it takes to ride one of these bikes.

As previously mentioned, its a bit of a wind up. Have a beer. Chill out. :whocares:

[Oscar]

I'll say if Dr Softjelly can ride any sort of racebike at any sort of pace well I'll lick your balls let alone a 230hp evil projectile whilst anything but 100% fit and healthy.

Still in lurv with Casey there Crasher?

Crasher and Casey up a tree....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Still in lurv with Casey there Crasher?

Crasher and Casey up a tree....

Hi there Oscar! Seems to me you have a strange perversion with homosexual pairings. Something you wanna tell us all?

[Oscar]

Hi there Oscar! Seems to me you have a strange perversion with homosexual pairings. Something you wanna tell us all?

Not really.

The subject only seems to come up when you're around...


I'll lick your balls

Crasher and Casey up a tree....
K. I. S. S. I. N. G....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not really.

The subject only seems to come up when you're around...

Oh...you fancy me? How flattering.

[Oscar]

Oh...you fancy me? How flattering.

I might fancy Casey, but not you, and I don't do threesomes....

Crasher and Casey up a tree....
K. I. S. S. I. N. G....
First comes love,

[Crasherfromwayback]

I might fancy Casey, but not you, and I don't do threesomes....

Crasher and Casey up a tree....
K. I. S. S. I. N. G....
First comes love,

Don't like ya chances there mate...it would appear Casey likes slim people.

[Oscar]

Don't like ya chances there mate...it would appear Casey likes slim people.

How do you know?
Ever met him?
I have.

[Crasherfromwayback]

How do you know?
Ever met him?
I have.

Simply by looking (many times) at his slim WIFE.

And you've met him!!?? That makes you so much more important than ever Oscar. One day...I hope to meet someone famous too. Hell...I may even be lucky enough to meet you.

[Oscar]

Simply by looking (many times) at his slim WIFE.

And you've met him!!?? That makes you so much more important than ever Oscar. One day...I hope to meet someone famous too. Hell...I may even be lucky enough to meet you.


Jeez, you really need to calm down (again).
Perhaps you should post at www.caseystoner_stalkers.com rather than here, if you take every comment about your hero personally.

[PirateJafa]

You really do have to love the way that the internet can allow even grown men to fight like they were back in pre-school.

Oh, the humanity.

[Oscar]

You really do have to love the way that the internet can allow even grown men to fight like they were back in pre-school.

Oh, the humanity.
:yes:

You can be assured that I'm even more childish in person:woohoo:
You should see my form with a handbag...wham!

[merv]

Haha :doctor:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2009/motogp/sackrace/3/6t.htm

Oh, and mmm nice Mommy

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2009/motogp/sackrace/3/3.htm

[Matt Bleck]

Another good race!! :niceone:

Yamaha will have a big wage bill next year... or someone might jump ship... :eek:

[denill]

Yamaha will have a big wage bill next year... or someone might jump ship... :eek:

Yeah. Lorenzo, so it's looking?

[Matt Bleck]

I'd say, he doesn't come across as someone who'd like to play the second fiddle.....

[sharky]

I'd say, he doesn't come across as someone who'd like to play the second fiddle.....

If you're wanting the world to think you're better than Rossi, what better way to do it than on the same bike - no arguments then eh.
Rossi has shown that he can out-smart Lorenzo whether leading or following him in the 2 close ones this season. I reckon Lorenzo will get there though, would be good to see both of them stay at Yamaha so we can see more good battles.

[NZsarge]

If you're wanting the world to think you're better than Rossi, what better way to do it than on the same bike - no arguments then eh.
Rossi has shown that he can out-smart Lorenzo whether leading or following him in the 2 close ones this season. I reckon Lorenzo will get there though, would be good to see both of them stay at Yamaha so we can see more good battles.

Yeah +1 one those sentiments.
If George was to leg it to another team who do you reckon would be on to fill his spot?

Interesting really, perhaps Edwards, what about The Kentucky Kid? Maybe Spies...
What about Stoner? :laugh:

[codgyoleracer]

Whats that Rumour , Lorenzo to Honda, Spies to fill the hole...........

[Cajun]

Whats that Rumour , Lorenzo to Honda, Spies to fill the hole...........


Spies can not full the hole

Rookie's to motogp can not go on full factory back teams, they have to go to satllite team first.

[codgyoleracer]

Good to see even motogp protects the old boys !

[Cajun]

Good to see even motogp protects the old boys !

its a new rule that as come in, i think its stop the boys coming thru from 250(moto2) and spending a year of being thrown of the factory bikes(aka geroge last year, was thrown all over the place)/extra pressure etc.
But i not to sure why, since the no factory teams bikes would be powerful, etc.

[codgyoleracer]

Hmmm, smacks of a sneaky way to keep riders & teams in the ranks that little bit longer...........

[pritch]

I phoned my brother in West Australia on Sunday night taking advantage of the Telecom $1.00 special.

Maybe I shouldn't have bothered, it turns out he's a bloody Casey Stoner fan! :weird:

[Toot Toot]

Good to see Casey Moaner didnt cry after the race for the first time in ages.

[denill]

Now and again a good read pops up. I think <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/090730a.htm>This One Fits Into That Category:</A> :yes: :yes:

What do you think?

[Crasherfromwayback]

What do you think?

Yep...was good! Much as it pains me to admit it...Rossi has simply been way too strong on the best bike out there. Another championship coming his way!

And he 100% deserves it the way he's ridden. While there's still a fair few rounds to go...he seems to be getting stronger. The fucker is gonna cost me $100.00!

[roogazza]

Now and again a good read pops up. I think <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/090730a.htm>This One Fits Into That Category:</A> :yes: :yes:

What do you think?

Yeah Bill, I think its all about who's the best of the young guns when Mr Rossi decides to give it away ?
His team mate gets my money at the mo. gaz.

[denill]

The fucker is gonna cost me $100.00!
Hey Pete, let me guess who's gonna most likely get your 100 bucks.

Gaz? :whistle: :whistle:

[denill]

Yeah Bill, I think its all about who's the best of the young guns when Mr Rossi decides to give it away ?
His team mate gets my money at the mo. gaz.

On a Honda, if it goes that way?

Now it would be interesting to see how young Jorge stacked up in that scenario?? :pinch: :pinch:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hey Pete, let me guess who's gonna most likely get your 100 bucks.

Gaz? :whistle: :whistle:

Actually mate...no. I took a bet with a good customer of mine that Stoner would beat Rossi this year...and we've had great fun winding each other up over it...but with a 37 point buffer...I can't see Stoner being able to claw that back before the season is out!

[codgyoleracer]

Me thinks - he's still got his heart set on that " all time winners record"........

[denill]

Me thinks - he's still got his heart set on that " all time winners record"........

Save me Googling.

What are the numbers??

[Crasherfromwayback]

Me thinks - he's still got his heart set on that " all time winners record"........

I'd certainly like to see him stick around to try! Nothing against Ago's amazing tally...but quite a lot of his wins were on an MV that was vastly superiour to anything else out there.

[codgyoleracer]

122 for Ago (total) - so its doo-able ?

[denill]

No really MotoGP and it is a loooong read. So only click if you've got plenty of time.

But the Al Luddington interview is quite revealing. Well it was to me anyhow.

He says it like he sees it. eg <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/090729ludington.htm>"But anyway, getting back to the OW, yeah. That was a, what do they say when you polish a turd? You still got a turd."</A> ;) ;)

[eelracing]

Yeah Bill, I think its all about who's the best of the young guns when Mr Rossi decides to give it away ?
His team mate gets my money at the mo. gaz.

An interesting scenario indeed but for my money i refer to Dovizioso's comment
"Dovi explained why he slowed after Rossi's crash then pushed again, but admitted the he can't yet race against the top men under normal conditions."

The kid has his head screwed on at this level and one that Jorges could take a leaf out of.

I see another Schwantz/Rainey era...or maybe just wishfull thinking.

[roogazza]

On a Honda, if it goes that way?

Now it would be interesting to see how young Jorge stacked up in that scenario?? :pinch: :pinch:

Have I missed something with the Jorge /honda thing ???? Has he been offered one ? Gaz.

[roogazza]

An interesting scenario indeed but for my money i refer to Dovizioso's comment
"Dovi explained why he slowed after Rossi's crash then pushed again, but admitted the he can't yet race against the top men under normal conditions."

The kid has his head screwed on at this level and one that Jorges could take a leaf out of.

I see another Schwantz/Rainey era...or maybe just wishfull thinking.

Me too, I'm a fan after his results in 250. Speaking of which Honda must be happy with Aoyama, at present leading the points. Gaz.

[denill]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/08/10/stoner-out>Stoner's Out:</A>

Kalio in!

[roogazza]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/08/10/stoner-out>Stoner's Out:</A>

Kalio in!

Good choice in Kallio, I wouldn't be surprised to see him finish in front of Hayden.
I look forward to Stoners return Bill , but there's lots of young fellas biting at his bum with the bikes so close. We'll have to see, time will tell huh?
Keep your red hat on, Kallio is good. Gaz.

[denill]

Good choice in Kallio, I wouldn't be surprised to see him finish in front of Hayden.
I look forward to Stoners return Bill , but there's lots of young fellas biting at his bum with bikes so close. We'll have to see, time will tell huh?
Keep your red hat on, Kallio is good. Gaz.

Giday Gaz. Yeah, count on nothing! Not the way I expected Stoner's season to be, but it looks like he'll bounce back. Kallio gets a chance and I'm real pleased for him. Watch this space........

Hey if I don't catch up before Friday, we're off to tour E/Europe - so my visits here will be most infrequent. :yes:

[Matt Bleck]

I really thought Lorenzo would be mentally strong enough to handle Rossi, but it would appear I'm wrong..... :confused:

[KS34]

I really thought Lorenzo would be mentally strong enough to handle Rossi, but it would appear I'm wrong..... :confused:

Don't count him out yet, Rossi did the same sort of thing and has come back to win another title.

[sharky]

I really thought Lorenzo would be mentally strong enough to handle Rossi, but it would appear I'm wrong..... :confused:


Yeah I reckon once Lorenzo finally wins one of these mind game battles there will be no stopping him. At the moment Rossi has it over him and knows he can beat him. If Lorenzo ever gets one over him he'll realise he can do it.

[Cajun]

just got this from superbikeplanet

'Brno, Monday morning, 10.30 exactly. Andrea Dovizioso rolls out of the Repsol pit garage with Ohlins forks in his
factory Honda. The schedule says that Dani Pedrosa will get his turn at 2pm.'

[TonyB]

I really thought Lorenzo would be mentally strong enough to handle Rossi, but it would appear I'm wrong..... :confused:

Don't forget they were constantly breaking the old lap record. They weren't mucking around!

Did anyone else notice Lorenzo's bike developing front end chatter early on in the race?

[k14]

Don't forget they were constantly breaking the old lap record. They weren't mucking around!

Did anyone else notice Lorenzo's bike developing front end chatter early on in the race?
I'd be surprised if you could see it. Lorenzo crashed because he saw rossi coming up the inside and braked too late. The second he went off the well worn part of the track (i.e. racing line where all the rubber is) the front end folded. "Chatter" (although whenever someone has a front end tuck these days its caused by chatter) wouldn't usually cause a front end tuck under brakes. It is more a mid corner when you are off the throttle or coming onto it.

He simply went too fast. Was a good race up to that stage though. I think he had the speed but we'll never know.

[roogazza]

Vale sure was animated after that epic fight. Felt for Jorge, who is surely the next best thing.
Elias had a great result but too little too late, to save his ride next year.
Wonder if Stoner will cope with the Yamahas when he returns from having his palms read ? G.

[Tony.OK]

And what was with Kallio wanting a fight with Melandri.................watching the slow mo Kallio ploughed into the side of Melandri who was slightly in front:shit:

Good ride from Kallio till then................2 Duc's totalled in 2 days, his wages will be missing a chunk:doh:

[Badjelly]

When you're the young hopeful called up to stand in for the star while he's out of action, you want to impress but there's not a lot of pressure. You don't have to go as fast as the star, you don't have to get a podium, you don't have to beat your team mate. There's only one thing you really have to do: not break the bike. And if you do break the bike, don't do it again. Fail. :shit: :laugh:

[pritch]

I think Lorenzo might get to be very good, a champion even.
Rossi has shown one several occasions this season however, not least at Catalunya, that he is still the master and Lorenzo very much the pupil.

It's time Yamaha introduced team orders before Lorenzo fucks up and takes Rossi down, and in a worst case scenario, potentially costing Yamaha the championship.

[johan]

Ahh, more rumors...

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/lorenzo-7-million-euro-offer-ducati/

[puddytat]

It's time Yamaha introduced team orders before Lorenzo fucks up and takes Rossi down, and in a worst case scenario, potentially costing Yamaha the championship.

Would be the prudent thing to do I reckon....time to consolidate the 1-2 position, work on a 1,2,3 end of season result maybe?

[sharky]

Would be the prudent thing to do I reckon....time to consolidate the 1-2 position, work on a 1,2,3 end of season result maybe?

Noooooooo! You guys like watching Formula 1 do you? Jorge is the only bloke that can challenge Rossi, tell him he isn't allowed to pass..... that would get boring real quick.

[diesel pig]

It's time Yamaha introduced team orders before Lorenzo fucks up and takes Rossi down, and in a worst case scenario, potentially costing Yamaha the championship.

For fuck's sake like Lorenzo would listen if Yamaha did tell him that.

[gav]

Ahh, more rumors...

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/lorenzo-7-million-euro-offer-ducati/
Wow, there a few rumours that Stoner wont be back in MotoGP, :no: , but who better to replace him than Jorge Lorenzo! :Punk:
If Lorenzo can get the Spanish Telefonica money that is supposedly around, he would be best to see if he could run his own Yamaha team with the funds on offer.

[discotex]

And what was with Kallio wanting a fight with Melandri.................watching the slow mo Kallio ploughed into the side of Melandri who was slightly in front:shit:

Looked to me like Melandri was stuffing it in where he couldn't safely make a pass. There's no way Mika would have been expecting a bike to appear at that spot in the chicane.

I can see why Mika was pissed as it was about as clever as Fabrizio's pass on Ben Spies at Brno in WSBK.

[gav]

How can you compare the two? Melandri had cleared Kallio and was well passed him, and Kallio turned way back into Melandri. How could he not see him? Fabrizio crashed and then took out Spies, crashing behind him. Completely different situation.

[k14]

How can you compare the two? Melandri had cleared Kallio and was well passed him, and Kallio turned way back into Melandri. How could he not see him? Fabrizio crashed and then took out Spies, crashing behind him. Completely different situation.
Yeah fully kallio's fault. Melandri did a good but hard pass and kallio didn't conceed. He still opened the throttle where he would have if the pass wasn't made but not to be :)

[discotex]

How can you compare the two? Melandri had cleared Kallio and was well passed him.

Ummm if Melandri has cleared Kallio and was way past him Kallio wouldn't have hit him.......



and Kallio turned way back into Melandri. How could he not see him? Fabrizio crashed and then took out Spies, crashing behind him. Completely different situation.

Different situation agreed but it was the same level of appropriateness trying to make a pass stick where it was never going to.


Yeah fully kallio's fault. Melandri did a good but hard pass and kallio didn't conceed. He still opened the throttle where he would have if the pass wasn't made but not to be :)

No way did Kallio just not conceed. No GP rider would deliberately take himself out just to make a point. Had Kallio made the pass stick and been in front Kallio would have at worst clipped the back wheel. Not slammed into the front of Melandri's bike.

From the angle I saw it was clearly a botched attempt at a block pass and Melandri failed to make it stick. Would be very interested to see a shot from the air to see their lines better.

[k14]

No way did Kallio just not conceed. No GP rider would deliberately take himself out just to make a point. Had Kallio made the pass stick and been in front Kallio would have at worst clipped the back wheel. Not slammed into the front of Melandri's bike.

From the angle I saw it was clearly a botched attempt at a block pass and Melandri failed to make it stick. Would be very interested to see a shot from the air to see their lines better.
Kallio hit him from the side but melandri was at least half a bike ahead. He was probably trying to close the door but it just went bad. Comparing it to fabrizio taking out spies is just flawed logic (as gav says above). Fabrizio's crash was very similar to lorenzo's actually. Cept he didn't take anyone but himself out!

Edit: Just watched it again on youtube, melandri was nearly completly ahead of kallio actually

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[gav]

Ummm if Melandri has cleared Kallio and was way past him Kallio wouldn't have hit him.......
Kallio only hit him when he accelerated into Melandri !


Different situation agreed but it was the same level of appropriateness trying to make a pass stick where it was never going to.



No way did Kallio just not conceed. No GP rider would deliberately take himself out just to make a point. Had Kallio made the pass stick and been in front Kallio would have at worst clipped the back wheel. Not slammed into the front of Melandri's bike.

From the angle I saw it was clearly a botched attempt at a block pass and Melandri failed to make it stick. Would be very interested to see a shot from the air to see their lines better.
A botched block pass would've been if Melandri had hit Kallio side on or had taken out Mikas front wheel, but Kallio definately hit Melandri from behind. Kallio never got in front of Melandri, the closest he got was riding side saddle on on the Hayate as it skated up the road!
Wonder if Kallio mentioned the fact that he could put the Duc in the top 10 and Melandri couldnt? :laugh:

[discotex]

A botched block pass would've been if Melandri had hit Kallio side on or had taken out Mikas front wheel, but Kallio definately hit Melandri from behind. Kallio never got in front of Melandri, the closest he got was riding side saddle on on the Hayate as it skated up the road!
Wonder if Kallio mentioned the fact that he could put the Duc in the top 10 and Melandri couldnt? :laugh:

:lol: Prolly something like that eh.

If that wasn't the second half of a 90 degree left/right chicane I'd totally agree with you both.

That replay doesn't show both parts of the corner but from memory it's not that Kallio accelerates or tries to close the door, it's just that's the normal line and Melandri's the one slowing down because he has gone for an ultra early apex on the second apex (or he'd run mega wide).

Just looking at that vid I'm fairly sure Kallio isn't even on the gas yet - the apex he's going for is through the other side of Melandri.

I've got the race on the PC so will cut it out and take another look with the whole corner.

Interesting seeing their two takes... from dodgy old MCN (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2009/August/aug1709-brno-motogp-mika-kallio-slams-marco-melandri/?&R=EPI-117665)

Kallio (which is how it looked to me)



"I was on the normal line and that’s why I was carrying so much more corner speed than him.

"He’d come underneath fast but he had to slow down in the middle of the corner to make it through. The next thing we touched and I was down.”


and Melandri (which is how it looked to you guys - although I think that's the camera angle that makes it look that way)



“I was passed him and then suddenly I got hit from behind.

"I’m not sure how he can blame me when I was in front of him. Maybe when he watches the video he will change his mind.”

[cooper_man]

Does anybody have a definitive list of the confirmed contracts for next year? I know there is a lot of talk but elias def gone? melandri now confirmed as a factory driver? hayden? edwards and toseland going back to WSBK?

So so many rumours but I reckon it will be a much bigger re shift compared to previous years! :)

[gav]

Does anybody have a definitive list of the confirmed contracts for next year? I know there is a lot of talk but elias def gone? melandri now confirmed as a factory driver? hayden? edwards and toseland going back to WSBK?

So so many rumours but I reckon it will be a much bigger re shift compared to previous years! :)
Melandri and Simoncelli are confirrmed for Gresini Honda. Suzuki have confirmed
Capirossi and Bautista, so Vermeullan is looking for a new job, maybe WSBK but Im sure he'd prefer to stay in MotoGP. Rossi is staying at Yamaha, and it appears Dovi and Pedrosa will stay at Repsol Honda. Hayate (Kawasaki) are definate non starters next year.
Couple of key things are, will Stoner return? Ducati are said to be keen on signing Lorenzo, maybe as a replacement for Stoner? If Lorenzo leaves Yamaha, Edwards could well return as Rossi's team mate. Toseland needs some big results soon to keep his job. Ben Spies is a strong possibility for the Tech 3 team, but I also wouldnt be too surprised if he stayed in WSBK.
Think Hayden has a two year deal, but may have an option for the second year of the contract. I think he's done enough to keep his ride

[Matt Bleck]

Just when it was looking like the G.O.A.T had it in the bag he goes and chucks it for the fans! :laugh:

gowd bless America! :Punk:

[Matt Bleck]

Ben Spies: WSBK in 2010, MotoGP in 2011

[Matt Bleck]

Pos. Num. Rider Nation Team Motorcycle Lap time Km/h Gap
1 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Fiat Yamaha Team Yamaha 1'37.185 322.737
2 3 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 1'37.544 325.035 0.359
3 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team Yamaha 1'37.606 318.770 0.421
4 27 Casey STONER AUS Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati 1'37.966 319.484 0.781
5 5 Colin EDWARDS USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 1'38.103 323.469 0.918
6 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Repsol Honda Team Honda 1'38.244 320.651 1.059
7 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 1'38.385 316.384 1.200
8 52 James TOSELAND GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 1'38.591 322.920 1.406
9 15 Alex DE ANGELIS RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1'38.629 309.436 1.444
10 36 Mika KALLIO FIN Pramac Racing Ducati 1'38.661 321.827 1.476
11 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati 1'38.850 321.736 1.665
12 65 Loris CAPIROSSI ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 1'38.978 325.035 1.793
13 88 Niccolo CANEPA ITA Pramac Racing Ducati 1'39.033 327.648 1.848
14 41 Gabor TALMACSI HUN Scot Racing Team MotoGP Honda 1'39.393 318.770 2.208
15 24 Toni ELIAS SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1'39.567 326.710 2.382
16 7 Chris VERMEULEN AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 1'39.686 322.737 2.501
17 33 Marco MELANDRI ITA Hayate Racing Team Kawasaki 1'39.757 318.681 2.572

[Crasherfromwayback]

Been off the bike how long...and he's how fast already??

Nice to see he's back.

[NZsarge]

Been off the bike how long...and he's how fast already??

Nice to see he's back.

Pfft! did'nt even notice he was'nt there..
Seriously though, it'll be nice to see something other than the Rossi/Lorenzo show although that can be outstandingly entertaining all the same.











Just as long as Rossi wins!:Punk:

[Matt Bleck]

Pos. Num. Rider Nation Team Motorcycle Lap time Km/h Gap
1 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Fiat Yamaha Team Yamaha 1'36.214 326.804
2 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team Yamaha 1'36.474 325.684 0.260
3 27 Casey STONER AUS Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati 1'36.528 323.011 0.314
4 3 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 1'36.702 326.057 0.488
5 5 Colin EDWARDS USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 1'37.142 325.777 0.928
6 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 1'37.448 320.381 1.234
7 65 Loris CAPIROSSI ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 1'37.489 325.220 1.275
8 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Repsol Honda Team Honda 1'37.541 317.883 1.327
9 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati 1'37.654 322.190 1.440
10 36 Mika KALLIO FIN Pramac Racing Ducati 1'37.813 321.102 1.599
11 15 Alex DE ANGELIS RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1'37.822 318.681 1.608
12 52 James TOSELAND GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 1'37.823 320.922 1.609
13 24 Toni ELIAS SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1'37.911 327.272 1.697
14 88 Niccolo CANEPA ITA Pramac Racing Ducati 1'38.042 326.243 1.828
15 7 Chris VERMEULEN AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 1'38.342 323.194 2.128
16 33 Marco MELANDRI ITA Hayate Racing Team Kawasaki 1'38.538 324.573 2.324
17 41 Gabor TALMACSI HUN Scot Racing Team MotoGP Honda 1'39.320 307.684 3.106