Interested in MotoGP?

[denill]

<a href=http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2008/May/benson_interview.htm>Kiwi Repsol Honda Crew Chief, Pete Benson talks:</A>

[Matt Bleck]

great read, cheers!

[denill]

And a <A href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12222>Chinese MotoGP Motorcycle:</A> Well sorta............

[BarryG]

Just in time for the Shanghai race to be taken off the calendar - they won't be happy about that.
Doesn't John Surtees look old? I guess he must be by now, but still........
Pretty bike, like most 125's. Harris do good work, I reckon. And with Jan Witteveen doing the motor, it should be competitive.
Now all they need is a good development rider, which won't be easy to find. Mind, they'll likely pay well, so should be able to attract a few chancers.

Cheers
Barry

[denill]

Just in time for the Shanghai race to be taken off the calendar - they won't be happy about that.
Doesn't John Surtees look old? I guess he must be by now, but still........
Pretty bike, like most 125's. Harris do good work, I reckon. And with Jan Witteveen doing the motor, it should be competitive.
Now all they need is a good development rider, which won't be easy to find. Mind, they'll likely pay well, so should be able to attract a few chancers.

Cheers
Barry

Giday Barry.
Are you back in the States now?

You wrote: "Doesn't John Surtees look old? I guess he must be by now." Yeah he is... Talked to him at Puke when he was out here a couple of years ago. Very approachable guy.
Rossi will never be bothered talking to me.............

Cheers
Bill

[denill]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/poll/default.asp>A Poll:</A> :argue:

[denill]

After toughing it out in China he may not be able to ride LeMans..........

Did you read:

Lorenzo diagnosed with further ankle fracture
Monday, 05 May 2008

Jorge Lorenzo examined in Barcelona; right ankle, originally thought to be the least damaged, more seriously injured than in original diagnosis.


Directly upon his return from Shanghai to Barcelona, Jorge Lorenzo was taken to the Spanish city´s Institut Universitari Dexeus by ambulance for further inspection of the injuries suffered last Friday in a huge highside crash.

The man in charge of the Fiat Yamaha rider´s medical issues, Dr. Xavier Mir, submitted Lorenzo to an examination of both his left and right ankles, and found a further fracture of the right astragalus (the bone that articulates with the tibia, fibula, calcaneus, and navicular) and a broken ligament in the left ankle.

Lorenzo –who was last operated on by Dr. Mir for a compartmental syndrome in his arm after victory in Portugal- will not be required to go under the knife for his latest injury. However, he will be confined to a wheelchair in order to immobilise both ankles, with particular attention needed for the right hand side.

After confirming that Lorenzo's right ankle injury was more serious than previously though, Dr. Mir explained the next step in supervising the recovery process.

`Next Monday we will carry out more tests, and make a more detailed evaluation of the injuries suffered on both sides,´ said Mir in a statement.

Whilst the MotoGP rookie was able to ride to fourth position in Sunday´s race, the nature of his injuries mean that participation in Le Mans could be in doubt

[roogazza]

Thanks Bill , if it wasn't for you there would be stuff all to read in the racing section.
This place has really died in the bum. Like you, I spend more time elsewhere nowdays.
Bayliss for Monza I'm betting ? Gaz.

[denill]

Thanks Bill , if it wasn't for you there would be stuff all to read in the racing section.
This place has really died in the bum. Like you, I spend more time elsewhere nowdays.
Aw shucks Gaz.


Bayliss for Monza I'm betting ? Gaz.
Now there's a brave pick Gaz! :clap:

[denill]

Thanks Bill , if it wasn't for you there would be stuff all to read in the racing section.
This place has really died in the bum. Like you, I spend more time elsewhere nowdays.
Bayliss for Monza I'm betting ? Gaz.

Hey Gaz. Have you checked out the <a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/poll/default.asp>CycleNews Poll</A> lately. Your boy's the flavour of the month, whereas Mrs Stoner's husband's not!:argh:

[roogazza]

Hey Gaz. Have you checked out the <a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/poll/default.asp>CycleNews Poll</A> lately. Your boy's the flavour of the month, whereas Mrs Stoner's husband's not!:argh:

Ha , yeah saw that !

You'll remember I picked Bayliss at the beginning !!!

ps Mrs Stoner inspires me ... G

[denill]

Lorenzo in a wheelchair!!!

Having flown straight back to Spain on Sunday night following his stunning ride to fourth place in Shanghai last weekend, Fiat Yamaha Team rider Jorge Lorenzo visited the Dexeus Institue in Barcelona on Monday morning for further examination by world-renowned specialist Dr Xavier Mir.

The doctor, who had only operated on Lorenzo two weeks ago to relieve compartmental syndrome in his right forearm, was keen to carry out his own diagnosis on the injuries sustained during free practice for the Grand Prix of China, which the Clinica Mobile had treated to great effect in Shanghai in order to allow Lorenzo to ride.

The injuries were confirmed to be slightly worse than first thought, especially to the right ankle, which was originally thought to have escaped fracture. A 3D CAT scan of both ankles revealed the following further injuries:
- Fracture of the Astragalus in the right ankle (no displacement)
- Torn lateral internal ligament in the left ankle

Treatment now consists of a solid cast for Lorenzo's right ankle and an elastic support for his left, temporarily confining him to a wheelchair. "Next Monday we will carry out more tests and make a detailed evaluation of the injuries suffered to both ankles," commented Doctor Mir.

Lorenzo lies second in the MotoGP World Championship after taking a victory, a second place, a third and a fourth from the opening four rounds. He now faces a battle to be fit for the next chapter of his incredible rookie story - the Grand Prix of France at Le Mans on 18th May.

[roogazza]

He's clearly better than most in that field. Even with his injuries he is assured of good points if he can drug himself again. He's Probably feeling worse than a week ago though ? 'Oh' to be 20 years old and bullet proof Bill ? Gaz.

[denill]

He's clearly better than most in that field. Even with his injuries he is assured of good points if he can drug himself again. He's Probably feeling worse than a week ago though ? 'Oh' to be 20 years old and bullet proof Bill ? Gaz.

Yeah Gaz. Bullet proof - and pain proof. The guy is fast becoming a legend,eh, and it's his first year???

[HenryDorsetCase]

The riders who have won a World title on a number of occasions, like Doohan or Rossi, have incredibly strong willpower. I think this is the most important quality. They are very strong, mentally speaking. There is always a degree of luck involved in every championship, but you basically win a championship by being constant and fast every week, finishing on the podium in almost every race. What's more, Valentino and Mick wouldn't worry about what anyone said about them, or about what was happening around them. I think the key quality is mental strength, much more important than physical condition or the bike. Willpower is the main difference and is what sets a rider apart.



there is a lesson that any of us can take from that paragraph.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bayliss for Monza I'm betting ? Gaz.

Fuck...how fast were the GSXR1000's at Monza???

[roogazza]

Fuck...how fast were the GSXR1000's at Monza???

Yeah mate, very fast , not the place to have an oopsy. Bayliss did well to stay that close but something let go by the looks ?
I enjoyed the comments from Randy Janola. Gaz.

[Clivoris]

I obviously need to cultivate a motorcycle racing friendly friend, with Sky TV, in my neighbourhood so I can watch this stuff. It's difficult hearing about it second hand.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Even if it's pissing down I doubt Chris 'V' will again. Man he and Suzuki seem to be struggling.

I think as an outside chance Dovisioso may do the bizz!

[roogazza]

Even if it's pissing down I doubt Chris 'V' will again. Man he and Suzuki seem to be struggling.

I think as an outside chance Dovisioso may do the bizz!

V R !!!! G.

[denill]

Have you read <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/May/080513rn.htm>Soup's Traction Control</A> article?

[roogazza]

Have you read <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/May/080513rn.htm>Soup's Traction Control</A> article?

Thanks Bill, interesting stuff. What a great asset JB is. There are some very clever men back in the pits doing the thinking.A lot of them are Kiwis and Aussies strangely enough, whys that ? Gaz.

[denill]

Can't find it now - but someone on here made some excellent points about Rossi. And that made me realise that yes, Rossi could be ranked as the best ever, no matter what he does in the future. (Don't FFS tell Gaz I said that!)

As the guy wrote.
He's been 125cc and 250cc World Champion. He's won the MotoGP Championship on a 500cc Two Stroke then adapted to win the MotoGP title on a Four Stroke with Honda, changed to the underdog (at that time) Yamaha and won on that too. Then adapted again to now be the 800cc top contender. A pretty good resume to put on his CV and one that not many will replicate.

[denill]

Thanks Bill, interesting stuff. What a great asset JB is. There are some very clever men back in the pits doing the thinking.A lot of them are Kiwis and Aussies strangely enough, whys that ? Gaz.

Yes, and in key positions too. Just thinking also Gaz. Where would Ducati be without their Aussie riders??

After Stoner, who's the best performer in MotoGP?? :blink:

And after Baylis, who's their best performer in WSBK?? :blink:

[roogazza]

The Aussies with Kawasaki and Suzuki aren't looking that flash as yet (unless it rains).
Superbike have a few placegetters but no one that stands out like Bayliss .
But lets face it the Aussies are way ahead of anything NZ can front up with, bout time we had someone better than average. My hope is in the young Sam Smith. Gaz.

[denill]

The MSMA have finally decided what sort of bike they would like to replace the 250s.

The Japanese factories suggestion for prototypes based on 600s will go forward to the next stage. The Dorna/IRTA view is that it should be 625-650cc in-line engines with control ECU and control data logging plus a minimum weight limit on individual components with free chassis regulations. Costs will be held down by a rev limit (policed with the standard data logging) and the minimum weight rules.

[roogazza]

No word on replacing 125's with diesels Bill ? I'm a big 250 fan and would prefer the Two Strokes to stay.
Honda will push for their preference of 4 Stroke no doubt . Just like Ducati pulling strings in WSB.
That little Spaniard found something extra Sunday night didn't he ? Rossi used his head as usual, coming thru from 9th to a safe second. Gaz.

[denill]

No word on replacing 125's with diesels Bill ? I'm a big 250 fan and would prefer the Two Strokes to stay.
Honda will push for their preference of 4 Stroke no doubt . Just like Ducati pulling strings in WSB..

Giday Gaz. I am not sure which way to go? The 250 class produces some incredible racing. Perhaps because it's almost a one make class? With the major factories committed to the GP class why would they want to put their eggs into another development class? Wouldn't it become another SuperSport class?


That little Spaniard found something extra Sunday night didn't he ? Rossi used his head as usual, coming thru from 9th to a safe second. Gaz.

Yeah. I think the Spanish pygmy even took himself by surprise?? Rossi is a master tactician when it comes to overtaking. Probably the best in that area? Ever?
Some <a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12423>Interesting Times in Day One of Testing:</A>

What do you guys think:
1) Will Kallio go to MotoGP?
2) Will he be competitive?

[roogazza]

Amazing isn't it, how with a little more time , the setups produce 41's the very next day !
Did ya see Pedrosa on tippy toe after the race waving to the crowd ?
(I went out with a chick that size for a while, buts thats another story!)

Kallio comes across as a thinker, I don't doubt he could do well in 800's. He was always there in 125's as well. Gaz. :cool:

[k14]

Amazing isn't it, how with a little more time , the setups produce 41's the very next day !
Did ya see Pedrosa on tippy toe after the race waving to the crowd ?
(I went out with a chick that size for a while, buts thats another story!)

Kallio comes across as a thinker, I don't doubt he could do well in 800's. He was always there in 125's as well. Gaz. :cool:
I think you'll find all those times were set on qualifying tyres. Stoner was said to go 2 tenths faster on race tyres (which is to be expected) but the 1.41's were all set on qualifying tyres. Pedrobot also crashed and was sent to hospital.

[roogazza]

Cheers for that, I was reading on the net today that Pedrosa had jumped off and wouldn't take part in any further testing. Hayden liked some aspects of the new motor they were going to compare with the old(and fast) motor.
But yes, with testing they could be using anything and everything. Gaz.

[denill]

<a href=http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2008/June/gibernau_test.htm>I suppopse he would have to be more successful than Melandri?</A>

[denill]

Spies to stand in for injured Capirossi at British Grand Prix

Rizla Suzuki MotoGP will give reigning American Superbike Champion Ben Spies his MotoGP debut at next weekend’s British Grand Prix, following confirmation that Loris Capirossi will be unfit for the Donington race.

The 23-year-old American from Longview in Texas was due to make his Rizla Suzuki MotoGP debut as a wildcard rider at next month’s USGP in California, but he has been drafted in early to replace Capirossi who suffered a broken right hand at Catalunya last weekend. Capirossi is now targeting a return at the following weekend’s race at Assen in The Netherlands and will continue to work on his fitness to try and achieve this goal.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Which is great in that when he gets to ride the bike again at Laguna he's already had a bit of a 'get to know you' session!

[roogazza]

<a href=http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2008/June/gibernau_test.htm>I suppopse he would have to be more successful than Melandri?</A>

We'll see if he is any better Bill, but the quivering bottom lip has lots of bad memories when fighting with VR.
Spies in GP will be interesting Crasher, I haven't read much about him other than his AMA results. Gaz.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah I saw him in action last year at Laguna and I've gotta say he is one hard charging MoFo!!

Revvin Kevin certainly seems to think he's the next big thing...so should be interesting. As long as Suzuki have the smarts to hang onto him!

[denill]

We'll see if he is any better Bill, but the quivering bottom lip has lots of bad memories when fighting with VR.
Gaz.

Giday Gaz. I was at PI when Sete came 2nd to Val. The body language on the rostrum was priceless. No handshakes or even any eye contact. Sete was spewing and certainly did not hang around........... <_<

And yes Pete. Spies progress will be watched with great interest. Me - I think he will have the goods. :niceone: If he can beat the hardnosed Miladin, he's got the goods alright.......... :niceone:

[k14]

Yeah the next Hopkins, wonder if he is as firery as hopper??

Toseland for the win at Donnington :msn-wink:

[Cajun]

be very interesting see how spies get on with the motogp bike

[denill]

Yeah the next Hopkins, wonder if he is as firery as hopper?? Couldn't take himself as seriously. :nono:


Toseland for the win at Donnington :msn-wink: Now there's a not so silly wildcard. :yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

be very interesting see how spies get on with the motogp bike

He's made a pretty impressive start mate! I'm sure Donnington is one of the harder tracks to learn too!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah the next Hopkins, wonder if he is as firery as hopper??

Toseland for the win at Donnington :msn-wink:

Stoner.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jun/080620rn.htm

[denill]

be very interesting see how spies get on with the motogp bike

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12480>What He Said:</A>

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nice one! I'd say that at Laguna he's a long shot for a few bucks at the TAB!

I mean...he doesn't have to worry about points for the season etc...he's gonna want to show everyone just what he can do!

Bring it on.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah the next Hopkins, wonder if he is as firery as hopper??

Toseland for the win at Donnington :msn-wink:

Gonna be tough for Toseland from here mate!

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2008/GBR/MotoGP/QP

Stoner and Ducati seemed to have found the problem!

[NZsarge]

Gonna be tough for Toseland from here mate!

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2008/GBR/MotoGP/QP

Stoner and Ducati seemed to have found the problem!

Yeah he's a fair way off at the moment but it's only practice times at the moment but I don't think he'll be there for the win at this race mind you stranger things have happened in motor racing.
I agree about Stoner though, the new bike (GP9) seems to be to Stoners liking.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's final qualifying. Stoner is still using the GP8 as far as I know...he's only tested the GP9 so far.

Ben Spies in 8th for his 1st GP!

[NZsarge]

Oh ok, saw the words qualifiying practice and took that to mean practice times.

[denill]

That's final qualifying. Stoner is still using the GP8 as far as I know...he's only tested the GP9 so far.

Yeah, GP9 (with a carbon fibre chassis) next year. (And he liked it!!)


Ben Spies in 8th for his 1st GP!

Yeah. quite incredible really - as the Yanks don't ride in the wet. Not like the mad dogs and Englishmen (including the colonials)

[pritch]

I thought those qualifying times looked a bit odd. They were set in pissing rain.
Toseland crashed which is why he's so far down the order.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Stoner+takes+pole+in+wet+MotoGP+qualifying+session

Big things were expected of Toseland at Donnington. He has impressed a lot of people in his first season on "proper" racing bikes, riding on a succession of tracks most of which he had never seen before. Donnington would have been his first outing on home turf.

If it stays wet the new Honda engine won't be able to use the extra couple of thousand revs to full advantage.

Whatever, it should be interesting.

[denill]

<a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-ducati-considering-gibernau-as-replacement-for-melandri>More on Sete and Ducati:</A>

No comment on Donnington - as some may not have seen the result. Interesting tho, eh Gaz? :cool:

[roogazza]

<a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-ducati-considering-gibernau-as-replacement-for-melandri>More on Sete and Ducati:</A>

No comment on Donnington - as some may not have seen the result. Interesting tho, eh Gaz? :cool:

That'll do me Bill , Assen will be good next Sat. Just pray for dry conditions. Gaz.

[k14]

That'll do me Bill , Assen will be good next Sat. Just pray for dry conditions. Gaz.
And look at skywatch: 6am sunday - Delayed MotoGP Assen. Good on ya sky. At least I can watch it online.

[roogazza]

And look at skywatch: 6am sunday - Delayed MotoGP Assen. Good on ya sky. At least I can watch it online.

Cheers K14, I was still shagged from the vmcc meet on the Sat and kept nodding off in the wee hours of Sun. 250's were great huh ? Gaz.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cheers K14, I was still shagged from the vmcc meet on the Sat and kept nodding off in the wee hours of Sun. 250's were great huh ? Gaz.

Forget the 250's mate...look out Rossi...here comes Stoner!

[k14]

Yeah 125 and 250 best race to watch by themselve again. But the motogp season just got a lot more interesting. Rossi won at assen last year but can he do it again? Then there is edwards and hayden who both could do ok there.

[roogazza]

Forget the 250's mate...look out Rossi...here comes Stoner!

Mrs Stoner must have promised him a back rub !!!!!!
If it hadn't fined up the little Spaniard would have been way back, bit of a let off for him. Must admit your man looked good. Gaz.

[svr]

Poor Melandri - Ist rule: `beat your team mate'. Tis a bad look when he wins and nearly laps you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mrs Stoner must have promised him a back rub !!!!!!
If it hadn't fined up the little Spaniard would have been way back, bit of a let off for him. Must admit your man look good. Gaz.

Who wouldn't like her to rub any part of ya!!!!!

What I'd love to see is for Stoner to eat away at Rossi's lead five points at a time so we can have a ding dong final couple of rounds!

[denill]

Gibernau enjoys three day test session with Ducati at Mugello

The three-day test session at the Tuscan track of Mugello has concluded in a positive fashion for Sete Gibernau. The Spanish rider has clocked up a great deal of kilometres on track (around 800kms in total) first with the GP9, then with the GP8, finishing with a final exit on the GP9 for a back to back comparison.

In this, only his second test session after nearly two years away from the tracks, Gibernau has proved that he still has the speed and is also more than competent in providing the Ducati Corse engineers with useful feedback for the development of the Desmosedici.

Gibernau made many exits of 4 or 5 laps each and demonstrated a high level of physical fitness, in view of the difficult climatic conditions, with air temperatures of over 30C and track temperatures exceeding 50C. Despite this, the Spanish rider kept up an excellent pace, lapping consistently in a low 1m51.

Worth a mention too is his fastest lap, made on a race tyre (Sete didn't test qualifiers), of 1M 50.5 on board the GP8, just a few tenths off this year's race record (belonging to Casey Stoner).

"I want to thank not only Ducati but also all the guys that have supported me here", declared Sete Gibernau. "Some of them worked with me in 2006 and it was great to find ourselves together again. I've really enjoyed myself today and have had a completely new experience as a rider. The faster you go, the more obvious it becomes that this bike demands a real physical and mental effort, but when you manage to ride it well, the satisfaction is unique. I hope my work has been of use to Filippo, to help understand the differences between the GP8 and GP9. They are two machines with characteristics typical of Ducati, and the GP9, although new, has great potential."

"First of all I want to compliment Sete and thank him for the great job he has done here this week", stated Filippo Preziosi. "It is always a pleasure to work with an experienced rider like Sete and his feedback will undoubtedly help us. His comments are very similar to those made by Casey and Vittoriano and this confirms that we're proceeding in the right direction.

We will evaluate with him whether there can be other opportunities for him to work with us on track with our bikes. He has certainly demonstrated that he's still able to ride very fast. A special thanks also to the MotoGP team (present at the track were engineer Cristhian Pupulin and chief mechanic Davide Manfredi who work with Melandri, electronics engineer Gabriele Conti and mechanics Roberto Clerici, Andrea Brunetti and Giorgio Castur from Stoner's team, and Yoshio Shinke from the Development team) who have, as ever, shown willing by adding these three days of testing to their very busy race calendar.

I hope that this result will also spur on Marco and Toni. In the last months we have worked hard to improve the GP8 but I think I can now say that it is a good level and we hope that they too can get the most out of the machine in the coming races.

[roogazza]

So Bill, seeing as how Sete has done so well, the bike is a rocket ship and the reason the other Duc riders aren't up with Stoner is they're not fast enough ? It doesn't sound by that article that Ducati want Sete back full time, athough now they know Marco has a problem ? Gaz.

[denill]

So Bill, seeing as how Sete has done so well, the bike is a rocket ship and the reason the other Duc riders aren't up with Stoner is they're not fast enough ? It doesn't sound by that article that Ducati want Sete back full time, athough now they know Marco has a problem ? Gaz.

Yeah Gaz, it's a bit of a conundrum eh. We know that the Duke is quick! And either; Marco's lost it - or hasn't the technique to make it work for him? It seems to come down to one of those for Sete to come back like that and go quickly from the go.

As for Sete jumping on to Marco's bike, that might be a contractural problem??
Interesting times. :shifty:

BTW. Where would Ducati be without Aussie riders. If you rocked up to the Ducati factory with an Aussie passport I think you would get a toe in the door. I wouldn't mind betting Brendan Roberts is shunted up the SBK ladder. Cheers, Bill.

[roogazza]

BTW. Where would Ducati be without Aussie riders. If you rocked up to the Ducati factory with an Aussie passport I think you would get a toe in the door. I wouldn't mind betting Brendan Roberts is shunted up the SBK ladder. Cheers, Bill.

I have the Aussie passport, but I'm less than attractive with bugger all hair and can't ride for shit !
Young Fabio is a far better bet though probably not in the good books after bowling the other Duc last meet, but he is Italian ?
Brendan Roberts must be well up the list. Don't ya love those superstock races ? gaz.

[codgyoleracer]

I wonder how much info the Stoner camp & Melandri camp share. You would hope that it was everything - but its hard to explain Melandris slide back in performance overall & this has been at a wide number of tracks as well.

Ducati have "found something" - but we wont find out what until the end of the season no doubt !

Was it true that they were using the fuel overflow catch tank to actually hold extra fuel last year (& hence the quicker bike) ?

When watching the on-bike data stuff on the telly , Its easy to see that Stoner is hitting the gas & getting 100% throttle well before Rossi does - So the traction control/power delivery control programming must be quite different I suspect.

Rossi is the King for getting out of corners on lines that others dont seem to be able to achieve, So whatever it is thats Stoner & His team are doing , - Its pretty damm impressive stuff.

Pedrosa's style & psyche reminds me very much of Alex Criville - A stunning rider , but susceptible to mind games & on-track agression from other riders.
Glen

[denill]

Young Fabio is a far better bet though probably not in the good books after bowling the other Duc last meet, but he is Italian ? gaz.

Yes - he is Italian. And that may well be the problem. Temperament? Hot one minute, cold the next. Lanzi fits that as well.

NO NO. Don't quote me Val!!! :rolleyes: He lives in London doesn't he?? (Or that's what he told IRD.)

[denill]

I wonder how much info the Stoner camp & Melandri camp share. You would hope that it was everything - but its hard to explain Melandris slide back in performance overall & this has been at a wide number of tracks as well. Glen

Yeah Glen. It would be most interesting if we were able to see Marco jump straight onto a Honda. Hypothetical I know, but, the result would provide some answers to the riddle.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pedrosa's style & psyche reminds me very much of Alex Criville - A stunning rider , but susceptible to mind games & on-track agression from other riders.
Glen

Yep. Fast as fuck but not so good in an out and out scrap!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah Glen. It would be most interesting if we were able to see Marco jump straight onto a Honda. Hypothetical I know, but, the result would provide some answers to the riddle.

Or a Kawasaki!!!???

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Hopkins+to+miss+home+race+at+Laguna+Seca

[Crasherfromwayback]

So Bill, seeing as how Sete has done so well, the bike is a rocket ship and the reason the other Duc riders aren't up with Stoner is they're not fast enough ? It doesn't sound by that article that Ducati want Sete back full time, athough now they know Marco has a problem ? Gaz.

Nervous yet Gaz? Rossi is.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Circuit+record+smashed+as+Stoner+takes+charge+in+S achsenring

[denill]

Nervous yet Gaz? Rossi is.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Circuit+record+smashed+as+Stoner+takes+charge+in+S achsenring

Gaz is waiting till final qualifying? Not a good look to have Edwards ahead of da man tho? :bash:

Meantime - I don't wanna change my Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa pick :woohoo:

Not so sure about my picks for the next place getters - Malandri and Vermuelen?? :whistle::whistle:

[denill]

Or a Kawasaki!!!???

A Kawaski ride is a kiss of death.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Gaz is waiting till final qualifying? Not a good look to have Edwards ahead of da man tho? :bash:

:

Not sure the result will be any different. Here comes the Stoner express.

I can tell you first hand how demoralizing being a sec back in qualifying is.
Not at that level of course...but it still feels the same!

[Crasherfromwayback]

A Kawaski ride is a kiss of death.

Certainly wasn't such a great move by Hopkins!

[roogazza]

I'm happy with my picks Rossi ,Pedrosa, Stoner for 08 !!!!!
Yeah guys I've been waiting for qualifying , I did hear Stoner was fastest and I did see him jumping off this morning on sky news.
Edwards isn't a problem for the front guys , even if he does qualify well, and Rossi can win from behind no probs anyway ! (how that for confidence ?)

I see in 'Rapid Mag', Gardner seems to think Rossi is still the main man and that Kawasaki should get someone to sort the handling rather than get more HP out of it.
Anyway boys, hopefully the Yamaha will be sorted on race day ? Gaz.

[k14]

Sorry to tell ya gaz but that red rocket is gonna win this weekend and next :) pedrosa, hayden, rossi and edwards can battle the minor placings out. Maybe if Hayden gets the pnuematic honda dialed in at leguna he could give stoner a run for his money?

Go Sete, be good to see if someone can actually get that duke going fast apart from the auzzie boy. I heard that Kwaka may possibly run 3 bikes for the rest of the year when Sete kicks Marco out of Ducati??.

Edit: Rain at Saschenring first thing today so could make for a few surprises in qualifying.

[denill]

Go Sete, be good to see if someone can actually get that duke going fast apart from the auzzie boy. I heard that Kwaka may possibly run 3 bikes for the rest of the year when Sete kicks Marco out of Ducati??

Marco's more than 2 secs adrift of Stoner. And 2nd to last?? With only the Kawasaki Piglet behind him...:buggerd::buggerd:

Heading for the unemployment agency?

[merv]

What I reckon is sad to see is that there are only 17 bikes on the grid.

[k14]

What I reckon is sad to see is that there are only 17 bikes on the grid.
Yeah, ain't that the truth. The 250's are not much better, only class that is full is 125's, 40+ riders at pretty much every round!

[denill]

What I reckon is sad to see is that there are only 17 bikes on the grid.

Yeah. And I expect that next year there will be less. As less and less companies want to put up the serious dosh required.

[k14]

Marco's more than 2 secs adrift of Stoner. And 2nd to last?? With only the Kawasaki Piglet behind him...:buggerd::buggerd:

Heading for the unemployment agency?
Yeah and for most of the session (without the qualifiers) he was closer to 4 seconds!! Wonder if he could get lapped by the auzzie!! Now that would be embarrassing.

[k14]

Yeah. And I expect that next year there will be less. As less and less companies want to put up the serious dosh required.
There is 1 bike not being ridden this weekend (hopper on the nail) but I'd be surprised if the numbers decreased?? Although I guess there is the two lower end satellite teams (alice ducati and de puniet's team) that could possibly go??

[denill]

There is 1 bike not being ridden this weekend (hopper on the nail) but I'd be surprised if the numbers decreased?? Although I guess there is the two lower end satellite teams (alice ducati and de puniet's team) that could possibly go??

Remember how long it took to get Fiat on board with Yamaha ? So yeah, it must be hard going for the satellite teams.

[denill]

"Faster" on Documentary Channel: Narrated by Ewan McGregor.

The 'friendliest' time for us is - 1300 to 1500 tomorrow, Monday

FASTER is the first feature-length documentary to go inside the MotoGP world since television took a sport watched by a few thousand spectators at race tracks and turned it into prime-time entertainment for over 350 million people worldwide.

Filmed around the world during the 2001 and 2002 seasons, FASTER asks this question: How do you go faster than the rest, how do you win at this glamorous, dangerous game? The movie could be subtitled: How do you beat Valentino Rossi? The 24 year old Italian, seven times world champion, dominates MotoGP. He is the biggest star the sport has ever seen and the charismatic centre of the film.

In addition to Rossi, FASTER focuses on three other MotoGP riders: Rossi’s bitter rival Max Biaggi; the brilliant but injury-prone Garry McCoy; and the rising teenage star John Hopkins. Their stories reveal both the ecstasy and the terror of life in the insanely fast lane, as do the tales told by a supporting cast of former world champions including Mick Doohan, Kevin Schwantz, Wayne Rainey, Kenny Roberts and Barry Sheene.

“Faster” does the job. Motorcycle fans will surely drool and gape, but the rest should also walk away smiling. At the least if you are not a motorcycle racing fan you should come away impressed. At one point in the film the riders are compared to gods. After seeing how they perform on the track, how they survive wrecks without a roll cage, and how they manage to control a motorcycle that they need help climbing on before traveling 200 miles per hour—well, it is hard to reduce that description to hyperbole.” Film Threat.

Starring Valentino Rossi, Max Biaggi, Garry McCoy, John Hopkins
Music by Black Rebel Motorcycle Club.

[k14]

Its raining for morning warmup in germany, could make for an interesting race. But surely that little auzzie would still be favourite??

[denill]

Or a Kawasaki!!!???

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Hopkins+to+miss+home+race+at+Laguna+Seca

More on the Melandri Conundrum at 'Melandri in talks with Kawasaki and Gresini for 2009"

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Melandri+in+talks+with+Kawasaki+and+Gresini+for+20 09

[roogazza]

Another win for K14, Crasher and Bill,( I can hear it from here. ) but I'm ok with second after a third row start. I couldn't help but watch in amazement as the Duc looked like it was on rails.
Good for Rossi though, nearly halfway and a 20 point lead, he's still fighting.
Gaz.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Another win for K14, Crasher and Bill,( I can hear it from here. ) but I'm ok with second after a third row start. I couldn't help but watch in amazement as the Duc looked like it was on rails.
Good for Rossi though, nearly halfway and a 20 point lead, he's still fighting.
Gaz.

Maybe so Gaz...but Rossi had a 49 point lead on Stoner not so long ago!!

Betcha Stoner gives him the 'learn' at Laguna again this year...then even IF Rossi is 2nd...it'll be down to 15 points. Not enough I feel!!!

[codgyoleracer]

Its getting damm interesting , My hearts with Rossi - he looks fit, skinny & hungry. Plus he is one of the few out there that even when he biffs it away - he picks it straight up & will have another go if its at all possible (a rare thing at that level).
My heads with Stoner, - He still comes across as the underdog & the package of him & team appears to be building momentum. I was surprised at there slow start to the season (maybe they have gone backwards to move forwards........) Stoners habit though of crashing in practice (whilst admirable in respect to finding the limit), - may well cost him (aka Lorenzo......)
If it turns pear shaped for both of these guys (possibly at the same time together on the track), - then that fast little mexican will pick up the scraps.

GO THE KAWASAKIS !.................. :-) (just cos they are green & look cool)

[denill]

Still stickin to my Stoner - Rossi - Sulky Spaniard, title result...........

And pretty confident :yes: :yes:

[denill]

Another win for K14, Crasher and Bill,( I can hear it from here. ) but I'm ok with second after a third row start. I couldn't help but watch in amazement as the Duc looked like it was on rails.
Good for Rossi though, nearly halfway and a 20 point lead, he's still fighting.
Gaz.

Rossi does not go so well at Laguna, so next weekend's gonna be interesting! :cool:

[Matt Bleck]

The wingnut's eletronics must good all right eh?

Great ride from moley boy too!

I cringed when the spanish ompa lompa crashed, the way his arm sorta hooked up as he went off in the sand trap I thought it may well of been broken.

Roll on Laguna!

[denill]

The wingnut's eletronics must good all right eh?
Why is it, that when Stoner wins - it's all due to the electronics :Pokey:

How about credit where it's due? :Oi:

[Matt Bleck]

Why is it, that when Stoner wins - it's all due to the electronics :Pokey:

How about credit where it's due? :Oi:
:laugh: I was fishing for a eyetie, but you'll do. :D

All credit to him it was a great ride!

[NZsarge]

Cant take that effort away from Stoner, very well judged ride which seems to be his M.O. these days, good on him.
Rossi's effort was'nt too bad either, actually there was a fair few praise worthy rides in that race.

[denill]

Interesting?

Sylvain Guintoli's season's best seventh place came after he switched off a malfunctioning traction control. ;)

[denill]

Did ya know this?

Melandri was in the process of a stunning charge through the field and had made his way up to seventh place from sixteenth on the grid, only to crash moments after setting the fastest lap of the race.

Source: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jul/080713t.htm

[k14]

Stoners habit though of crashing in practice (whilst admirable in respect to finding the limit), - may well cost him
Huh?? I'd hardly say that, yes he had a big one at sachsenring, but so did pedrosa, rossi, hayden etc on Friday. I don't think he has crashed more than rossi this year. He hasn't crashed out of a race since he started riding the duke either.

Quite a good race, didn't think that suzkui mole would get up there but he did quite well. What's going to happen at leguna?? Wonder if haystack can get that honda working once this year??

[Crasherfromwayback]

What's going to happen at leguna?? Wonder if haystack can get that honda working once this year??

Stoner will give them a hiding just like he did last year. Nicky will finish second with Ben Spies third. The gap between Rossi and Stoner will be around 10 points then!!

[johan]

I must say, while very talented, Stoner is one of the most dry and boring riders out there. If you're lucky you'll see him smile at the camera, mostly he's just sitting there staring down at the floor.

Rossi on the other hand, I love how he puts on a show. Hilarious helmets and outfits. He has clearly understood that they are in the entertainment industry, nothing else, and as such, they should act like rock stars! :Punk::wari::banana::headbang:

[codgyoleracer]

[QUOTE=k14;1646812]Huh?? I'd hardly say that, yes he had a big one at sachsenring, but so did pedrosa, rossi, hayden etc on Friday. I don't think he has crashed more than rossi this year. He hasn't crashed out of a race since he started riding the duke either.

I lost count how many times Stoner fell in practice last year (but not in the race) - & he has been quoted as "that he is quite happy to get very close to the limit in practice & find the strengths & weaknesses in the bike for said track" .
Its a genuine method of atttack & it works well (for him), - As i said , its admirable if he can do it this way, - but it can bite you in the bum........
The Ducatisti will definatly have the doctor & his team thinking hard !

[codgyoleracer]

Stoner will give them a hiding just like he did last year. Nicky will finish second with Ben Spies third. The gap between Rossi and Stoner will be around 10 points then!!

How about Haybale, Mr Ed & then of course Rossi .... ;-), 2nd option Stoner dissapers into the distance like him, his bike & his team are all on drugs - then the above order.........

[Crasherfromwayback]

How about Haybale, Mr Ed & then of course Rossi .... ;-), 2nd option Stoner dissapers into the distance like him, his bike & his team are on drugs - then the above order.........

I was at Laguna last year...and Stoner throughout every session had them fucked. Can't see anyone stopping him there this year either.

[k14]

I was at Laguna last year...and Stoner throughout every session had them fucked. Can't see anyone stopping him there this year either.
Yeah go for a 4th in a row and quadruple my money eh?

Don't know about spies though, I don't think the zook is up to the task even if the rider is.

What about toseland?? He got lapped!! That was a bit surprising, seemed to start the season with a hiss and a bang and now he has petered out. Will be interesting to see how he goes at leguna seeing he has ridden there before (although not for 3 or 4 years). He'll have the jump over the other rookies in the field though.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah go for a 4th in a row and quadruple my money eh?

Don't know about spies though, I don't think the zook is up to the task even if the rider is.

What about toseland?? He got lapped!! That was a bit surprising, seemed to start the season with a hiss and a bang and now he has petered out. Will be interesting to see how he goes at leguna seeing he has ridden there before (although not for 3 or 4 years). He'll have the jump over the other rookies in the field though.

Well Vermulen finished second in the Suzuki last year, and I think because Spies has nothing to lose and everything to gain he'll pull the pin!

[k14]

Well Vermulen finished second in the Suzuki last year, and I think because Spies has nothing to lose and everything to gain he'll pull the pin!
Yeah but the suzuki was much more competitive last year. Hopper had already put it on the podium a few times and vermeulen won at france on it. This year (before yesterday in the rain) the best they've done is 5th or 6th (can't remember). I reckon edwards for podium (stoner 1st hayden 2nd).

Still no word if pedrobot is going to race though, possible broken ankle I read.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't see Pedrosa being a threat at Laguna either way.

[k14]

Don't see Pedrosa being a threat at Laguna either way.
Wouldn't say that, if he races he will be podium or pretty close. If he circulates and takes 10 points it could be quite important when the championship comes down at the end of the season.

[denill]

I will bet the house that Stoner will win on the weekend. :niceone:

And if I had another house, I'd bet that Rossi will finish worse than 2nd. :msn-wink:

[denill]

:laugh: I was fishing for a eyetie, but you'll do. :D


Didn't you know that Stoner's an Aussie :bash:

[roogazza]

Rossi does not go so well at Laguna, so next weekend's gonna be interesting! :cool:

Hasn't yet has he ? But its all bloody good being close. Pedrosa and Rossi know how it can all turn to crap in a second and Pete has said Stoner hasn't jumped off in a race for a while. Not wishing any offs but as we all know, thats all it takes. Gaz.

[roogazza]

How about Haybale, Mr Ed & then of course Rossi .... ;-), 2nd option Stoner dissapers into the distance like him, his bike & his team are all on drugs - then the above order.........

Cheers Glen, It'll be interesting to see if Hayden can pop up with a good result ? He's certainly struggling with more isssues than just the bike. I can't see it , but stranger things have happened. Gaz.

[denill]

Hasn't yet has he ? But its all bloody good being close. Pedrosa and Rossi know how it can all turn to crap in a second and Pete has said Stoner hasn't jumped off in a race for a while. Not wishing any offs but as we all know, thats all it takes. Gaz.

Still got my house on him Gaz :laugh:

[denill]

Cheers Glen, It'll be interesting to see if Hayden can pop up with a good result ? He's certainly struggling with more isssues than just the bike. I can't see it , but stranger things have happened. Gaz.

As far as Honda's concerned - Haybales has left.

They have left him to stand in a corner just playing with himself. ;)

Pedrosa is their boy and has been from the get go. :whistle:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hasn't yet has he ? But its all bloody good being close. Pedrosa and Rossi know how it can all turn to crap in a second and Pete has said Stoner hasn't jumped off in a race for a while. Not wishing any offs but as we all know, thats all it takes. Gaz.

Stoner has had a DNF already (not his fault), Pedrosa has now had one (his fault), Rossi is the only one that hasn't, and I reckon the odds are that he will have one before the season is over. I'm picking it's gonna be this weekend.

[codgyoleracer]

Rossi does not go so well at Laguna, so next weekend's gonna be interesting! :cool:

I have text'd Rossi & told him that your house is on the line. One thing that Rossi does well is ride real well when there are lots of people telling him he cant win any more or cant win at a specific track. I got an answer back from him & he said he really really needs a house in Wellington.............., Is there a 6 car garage for all his road bikes ? & a Pizzeria nearby ? :-) :laugh:

[denill]

I have text'd Rossi & told him that your house is on the line. One thing that Rossi does well is ride real well when there are lots of people telling him he cant win any more or cant win at a specific track. I got an answer back from him & he said he really really needs a house in Wellington.............., Is there a 6 car garage for all his road bikes ? & a Pizzeria nearby ? :-) :laugh:

Ha ha. :clap:

Two more questions to ask him.

1 Is he going to pay tax in NZ?

2 Is Uccio coming too?

[codgyoleracer]

Ha ha. :clap:

Two more questions to ask him.

1 Is he going to pay tax in NZ?

2 Is Uccio coming too?

1) If labour is in still, - He says he will be applying for a housing benefit to off-set any potential tax payments.
2) Uccio will only come if you were planning to leave the wine cellar fully stocked.

[Matt Bleck]

Didn't you know that Stoner's an Aussie :bash:
:killingme

My friend Eman is a eyetie whom thinks the only reason Stoner wins is cause of the bike he rides, and that the bike was developed for him. :D I was being sarcastic in the first post.

back on topic


Pedrosa is in doubt for Laguna!

"Spanish MotoGP rider Dani Pedrosa will have to remain under observation in a Barcelona hospital for the next 32 hours to see whether he can race in the US grand prix.

He will only race at Laguna Seca next weekend if he is fully fit, doctor Xavier Mir has said.

The Honda rider suffered injuries to his left hand and right ankle after a high speed crash on Sunday.

Pedrosa is second in the standings behind MotoGP championship leader Valentino Rossi.

It is the second time he has suffered a major crash this season - he was hospitalised in Barcelona while testing ahead of the Catalan GP."

[codgyoleracer]

So, last ride for Melandri at Laguna & then onto Kawasaki - & Goobernow the new Ducati team mate for Stoner ?

[k14]

Yeah Uccio will be keen so long as there is a double bed...

You guys are forgetting that out of the 3 races at leguna, rossi was second first year, had his bike crap out on him second time when he was near the front and last year he was 4th. Certainly if he can get the yamaha dialled in he will have a chance of victory. Write him off at your perril!

[k14]

So, last ride for Melandri at Laguna & then onto Kawasaki - & Goobernow the new Ducati team mate for Stoner ?
Well everyone is very tight lipped, melandri's manager has said they have agreed to cancel the 2009 contract but he still reckons he will see out the year. Hard to know what is going to happen, it probably won't be announced till next week.

[denill]

You guys are forgetting that out of the 3 races at leguna, rossi was second first year, had his bike crap out on him second time when he was near the front and last year he was 4th. Certainly if he can get the yamaha dialled in he will have a chance of victory. Write him off at your perril!

I like living on the edge, or just back a bit.............. :2thumbsup

[denill]

So, last ride for Melandri at Laguna & then onto Kawasaki - & Goobernow the new Ducati team mate for Stoner ?

Good god, now Marco HAS got a problem??

Meanwhile:
The Barcelona-based magazine Solo Moto has announced on the online version of the publication that American Colin Edwards has signed a renewal of his contract with the Yamaha Tech3 team for the 2009 MotoGP season.

Although widely rumored in the Sachsenring Paddock, Edwards and Yamaha officials said that no deal had been done. Attempts to reach Yamaha Tech3 and Colin Edwards have been unsuccessful.

According to the unsigned Solo Moto article, Edwards will work closely with Valentino Rossi in spite of being on the Tech3 team instead of the Fiat Yamaha team. At present the Tech3 team of Edwards and Britain's James Toseland use Michelin tires, as does Rossi´s teammate Jorge Lorenzo, while Rossi is the only Yamaha rider on Bridgestone tires.

[Badjelly]

According to the unsigned Solo Moto article, Edwards will work closely with Valentino Rossi in spite of being on the Tech3 team instead of the Fiat Yamaha team. At present the Tech3 team of Edwards and Britain's James Toseland use Michelin tires, as does Rossi´s teammate Jorge Lorenzo, while Rossi is the only Yamaha rider on Bridgestone tires.

So Edwards will switch to Bridgestones ???

[roogazza]

I like living on the edge, or just back a bit.............. :2thumbsup

What colour is my new house ? Gaz. :love:

[gav]

WTF? Rossi wanted Bridgestones and now its a problem that he is the only Yamaha rider on them?

[k14]

WTF? Rossi wanted Bridgestones and now its a problem that he is the only Yamaha rider on them?
Yeah you got to feel for the guy, he's got it tough. He'd of won every race if...um.... stoner was on a kwaka and the midget was still in 250's???

[denill]

What colour is my new house ? Gaz. :love:

Actually, still my house and you can't miss it. It's the only Ducati Red house in the street.

BTW Gaz, if you're goin to take up my wager, you'd best buy a tent before the weekend - as I would feel bad to see the Gaz family with no fixed abode next week. :woohoo:

[denill]

WTF? Rossi wanted Bridgestones and now its a problem that he is the only Yamaha rider on them?

Some <a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12622>Interesting Yamaha Tyre Stuff Here:</A>

[codgyoleracer]

I hear that both of the Alice boys are goneburger, Canepa & Kalio are possible replacements.

[roogazza]

Some <a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12622>Interesting Yamaha Tyre Stuff Here:</A>

I have read that Edwards is a good development rider but whether he's solely responsible for the yam is probably an american idea or rather cycleworld.

Bill, as for betting my house , I'm far too old and wise ! ( and its bloody cold enough here in Wgton thanks, where ever you are ? ) I got out for a fang yesterday but its only a window of about 4 hours for this chicken in winter. Gaz.

[Crasherfromwayback]

And he knows it.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Rossi+emphasises+importance+of+front+row+for+Red+B ull+U+S+Grand+Prix

[roogazza]

But he loves to fight Pete, and now has Bridgestones that work there.

ps just read, the little Mexican is in doubt. He must have damaged more bits than first thought . Gaz.

[gav]

How do you think Stoner would go on a Yamaha or for that matter Rossi on the Ducati?

[merv]

Here's an interesting story about Laguna Seca with a whole lot of historical story links over on the Soup website http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jul/lagunasecalinks.htm

[denill]

I hear that both of the Alice boys are goneburger, Canepa & Kalio are possible replacements.
And who told ya that Glen? :confused: :confused:

[codgyoleracer]

And who told ya that Glen? :confused: :confused:

Was in a UK bike newspaper "MCN" - & elswhere no doubt !, Just watched the last GP again,- Interesting to hear that Ducati spluttering so much mid corner in the wet..................
Must have got water under a plug cap....... :shifty:
The little aussie rooter rode damm well aye.

[k14]

I read in an interview, with livio suppo (duke team head) and he was the other duke riders for being inconsistent. Not sure how much influence they have on that team though. Other riders also mentioned were hayden and ben spies i think?

[denill]

But he loves to fight Pete, and now has Bridgestones that work there.

ps just read, the little Mexican is in doubt. He must have damaged more bits than first thought . Gaz.

Well Gaz, all will be revealed between 9 and 10am. Monday on Sky Sport 2, live. :clap: :clap:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well Gaz, all will be revealed between 9 and 10am. Monday on Sky Sport 2, live. :clap: :clap:

Pity (although hardly surprising) Stoner is only paying $1.65. Spies on the other hand is paying $60.00. The last wild card rider to win me good money was Abe in Japan years ago!

http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=805

[roogazza]

[QUOTE=codgyoleracer; Just watched the last GP again,- Interesting to hear that Ducati spluttering so much mid corner in the wet..................
Must have got water under a plug cap....... :shifty:
[/QUOTE]

Did you notice Glen, the on board shots and sounds from the Yamaha sounded more conventional ? (got my Rossi hat on here again )
I just can't get past the fact that the Ducati has something special about it.
I've been very lucky in that I have spent a full day in the motogp pits Mugello a year before last. All of the techs know each other pretty well and what each rider can do, I've yet to hear anyone say Stoner can out ride Rossi.
At that level computers have to make the difference , don't they ? Gaz.

Yeah Bill , Monday will reveal all ! enjoy !!

[denill]

I've yet to hear anyone say Stoner can out ride Rossi.

Stoner can out ride Rossi.:Pokey:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I just can't get past the fact that the Ducati has something special about it.
I've been very lucky in that I have spent a full day in the motogp pits Mugello a year before last. All of the techs know each other pretty well and what each rider can do, I've yet to hear anyone say Stoner can out ride Rossi.
At that level computers have to make the difference , don't they ? Gaz.

Yeah Bill , Monday will reveal all ! enjoy !!

Year before last Gaz, Stoner was on a satelite Honda and I'm sure no one was saying Stoner could outride Rossi then. It's all too easy to say the Ducati is the reason Stoner is winning, but last year it was because Rossi had inferiour tyres, this year because what? He's the only one that can ride the thing...he's twisting the go fast grip better than anyone else. I stand by my comments at the beginning of the year mate...Rossi won his last championship in '05'. He won't be winning another. Someone faster than you always comes along.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stoner can out ride Rossi.:Pokey:

Well he certainly has at Assen, Donnington and now in Germany. NONE of those tracks have ANYTHING to do with power. The Yamaha is basically as fast as the Ducati now anyway...funny eh!! And all of Rossis moaning about tyres...jumping ship after he got preferential treatment at Michelin for years. Funny how Pedrosa was winning the championship on them until his 'biff'.

That's half the reason I hope Stoner gives him a hiding. One less excuss for Rossi.

[denill]

Well he certainly has at Assen, Donnington and now in Germany. NONE of those tracks have ANYTHING to do with power. The Yamaha is basically as fast as the Ducati now anyway...funny eh!! And all of Rossis moaning about tyres...jumping ship after he got preferential treatment at Michelin for years. Funny how Pedrosa was winning the championship on them until his 'biff'.

That's half the reason I hope Stoner gives him a hiding. One less excuss for Rossi.

Well said Pete.:niceone:

Hey Gaz, I really believe that Stoner is the best performing rider in '08. He has been consistently fast and smooth - with only the one DNF due to a 'technical' fault. (Whereas the other contenders have dropped it.) He has dealt with a down on performance package with maturity - by just 'bringing it home'. He deserves to win in 2008. :msn-wink:

[k14]

Well said Pete.:niceone:

Hey Gaz, I really believe that Stoner is the best performing rider in '08. He has been consistently fast and smooth - with only the one DNF due to a 'technical' fault. (Whereas the other contenders have dropped it.) He has dealt with a down on performance package with maturity - by just 'bringing it home'. He deserves to win in 2008. :msn-wink:
Yeah definately, he did however not ride the smartest at Jerez (running off track two times) but I think he learnt a great deal from that. Rossi made a big mistake at assen and pedrosa too at sachsenring which leaves it one bad race a piece on rider effort, the only other bad luck has been stoner with his mechanical issue at le mans.

Bring on the rest of the season. I wonder if pedrosa will switch to the pnuematic honda after brno??

[svr]

Rossi has been great for the sport but the tyre dummy spit leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Stoner and Pedrosa are taking things to a new level. Every corner Stoner takes is a physics piss-take. And Pedrosa crashing out of a 7 sec lead after 3 laps (on Michelins) bought a tear to the eye (Schwantz would approve). Plus Dovisioso (top miche finisher by a lot), Lorenzo (when fit), is the end near for the King?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi has been great for the sport but the tyre dummy spit leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

I believe when Bridgestone told Rossi to piss of they didn't need him, Rossi threatened to leave moto GP unless he got them.

THAT is sad.

[k14]

I believe when Bridgestone told Rossi to piss of they didn't need him, Rossi threatened to leave moto GP unless he got them.

THAT is sad.
Should have put a clause that he only gets to use them next year if he won the championship :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'd say what he should've done is shown a little faith in Michelin and stayed with them.

[roogazza]

Ease up fellas or I'll lose confidence ! .... so now I'm hoping my back up men, Lorenzo and Dovi will act as blocks ! Gaz. :apint:

[denill]

I'd say what he should've done is shown a little faith in Michelin and stayed with them.

The Sulky Spaniard is as quick as anybody on Michelins, some times quicker, sometimes a bit too quick.

To tha ignoramus that I am, I reckon the tyre 'thing' is a bit of a crock. Like life, ya win some and ya lose some. Like you ride on what ya got. (With a bit of help from your engineers.)

Yeah, I'll say it - Stoner woulda scored as many points on the Mitchs as he has on the Bridges.

I respect Rossi a lot - but he lost a bit of that when he tossed the toys and the Michelins outa the cot.

[Cleve]

Can anyone explain to me why the hell would Bridgestone say "no" to Rossi when he asked if he could also have their tyres??!!
The story that they said no to him must be a crock of shit...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Can anyone explain to me why the hell would Bridgestone say "no" to Rossi when he asked if he could also have their tyres??!!
The story that they said no to him must be a crock of shit...

How 'bout the fact that they (Bridgestone) already had the world champion (Stoner) riding for them...they had Suzuki, Ducati, Kawasaki and some satelite Honda teams using them. Why would they want (need) to bend over and supply Rossi (and Yamaha) tyres?

You obviously know more than us...so tell us all about it.

Why?

[denill]

Why would they want to bend over and supply Rossi ?

Yeah right Pete. I wouldn't want to......... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[denill]

Don't think <a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/poll/default.asp>This Poll:</A> voting has a lot to do with logic. :doh:

Or does it??

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah right Pete. I wouldn't want to......... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The other thing is...for Bridgestone...if Rossi had stayed on Michelin...makes them (the tryes) look pretty good if you beat 'The Man' himself dunnit!

[svr]

How many championships have Michelin won in the premier class over the past 20 years compared to Bridgestone? (and Dunlop - and those were down to Rainey). Rossi could have shown some faith.
Hopefully Michelin will have the best tyre over the next couple of seasons and Rossi will be left high and dry.

[Badjelly]

Changing the subject slightly, I finally watched the Sahsenring race last night (those all-wet races are very interesting) and I hope Toni Elias gets a good talking-to from the Race Director. First he obstructed Rossi and got a well-deserved reprimand, then he loitered in front of Vermuelen and, if things had been slightly different, could have denied him a podium. Hasn't he read the rule that says lapped riders have to get the fuck out of the way?

[roogazza]

Rossi also moved on from Honda to Yamaha because it suited him. He obviously had his reasons.
He's a different creature, I have several books on him.

Edge of the seat stuff for me monday morn. Gaz.

[Cleve]

How 'bout the fact that they (Bridgestone) already had the world champion (Stoner) riding for them...they had Suzuki, Ducati, Kawasaki and some satelite Honda teams using them. Why would they want (need) to bend over and supply Rossi (and Yamaha) tyres?

You obviously know more than us...so tell us all about it.

Why?

I asked a question, not a statement that I knew more than you.
Still regardless of what you say, WHY wouldn't they still NOT want Rossi?!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I asked a question, not a statement that I knew more than you.
Still regardless of what you say, WHY wouldn't they still NOT want Rossi?!

See above. They already had (have) the current world champion, and the bragging rights that go with that.

What more do you need.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Can anyone explain to me why the hell would Bridgestone say "no" to Rossi when he asked if he could also have their tyres??!!
The story that they said no to him must be a crock of shit...

Here ya go mate.

http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp_dorna_pressures_bridgestone_to_supply_rossi _or_else

[Cleve]

Here ya go mate.

http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp_dorna_pressures_bridgestone_to_supply_rossi _or_else

Thank you.

Still don't get it why anyone would say no to Mr Rossi...

[denill]

<a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-give-me-your-tired/> Dennis Noyes</A> has a good insight into MotoGP matters. And here he discusses the current scene and also comments on the high number of 'offs' since they shrunk the motors.

"While every MotoGP rider I have talked to agrees the 800s are faster around a racetrack, they still regret the change to 800s. Casey Stoner's comment is typical: “If we were going to change the displacement we should have gone to 1200cc instead of 800cc.”

[Crasherfromwayback]

What he said!

[svr]

"electronics are potentially important for road riders, but, to me, it is hurting the sport. I equate TC to spell-check. It is very handy for anyone writing, but it should not be allowed as an aid to participants in a spelling bee."

Do you lot agree with this position? i.e. that even though for the rest of us i.e. non-professional riders / track dayers / racers TC (and anti-lock) is desirable but as for professionals they are paid (truck-loads) to provide a spectacle and to hell with such safety nets.
I've always thought it a contrived situation to force lower technology on to a premier racing class but maybe this is an equally valid position? It seem the racers are willing to turn back the clock.

[NZsarge]

"electronics are potentially important for road riders, but, to me, it is hurting the sport. I equate TC to spell-check. It is very handy for anyone writing, but it should not be allowed as an aid to participants in a spelling bee."

Do you lot agree with this position?
Yes, personally I do.


I've always thought it a contrived situation to force lower technology on to a premier racing class but maybe this is an equally valid position? It seem the racers are willing to turn back the clock.
I see your point but there is not much point in all this technology if any old geezer can get on a Moto GP and rip out a good lap time.
Look at F1, this year after the ban on traction control it already far more interesting and it's a great pity it did'nt happen earlier. I hope it gets better still next year when they impose aero restrictions.
I understand it does seem to fly in the face of what is supposed to be the pinnacle of their respective sports but what's the point in all that tech if it's boring as..

[Crasherfromwayback]

"electronics are potentially important for road riders, but, to me, it is hurting the sport. I equate TC to spell-check. It is very handy for anyone writing, but it should not be allowed as an aid to participants in a spelling bee."

Do you lot agree with this position? i.e. that even though for the rest of us i.e. non-professional riders / track dayers / racers TC (and anti-lock) is desirable but as for professionals they are paid (truck-loads) to provide a spectacle and to hell with such safety nets.
I've always thought it a contrived situation to force lower technology on to a premier racing class but maybe this is an equally valid position? It seem the racers are willing to turn back the clock.

I'm with you 100%! Use Superbikes to develop such technology...it'll still filter down to street bikes. Then...when (if) the Superbike boys are ready for the big time...they'd better be good!

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Stoner+dominates+opening+day+at+Laguna+Seca

[denill]

From Cycle News:

Dani Pedrosa has withdrawn from the Red Bull U.S. Grand Prix at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, effectively killing his MotoGP World Championship hopes.

[Crasherfromwayback]

From Cycle News:

Dani Pedrosa has withdrawn from the Red Bull U.S. Grand Prix at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, effectively killing his MotoGP World Championship hopes.

A shame...but with Stoner now on top of things with his Ducati...doubt he was gonna win the championship anyway!

I see Rossi has signed with Yamaha for another two years.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've yet to hear anyone say Stoner can out ride Rossi.
At that level computers have to make the difference , don't they ? Gaz.

Yeah Bill , Monday will reveal all ! enjoy !!

Well you have now!

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/18july08_stoner.htm

[NZsarge]

<a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-give-me-your-tired/> Dennis Noyes</A> has a good insight into MotoGP matters.


Well you have now!

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/18july08_stoner.htm

That really depends on who's article you want to buy into now does'nt it, sound to me like that reporter from Motocycle daily just banked a big cheque if you ask me... :rolleyes::laugh:

[denill]

I've yet to hear anyone say Stoner can out ride Rossi.


Well you have now!

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/18july08_stoner.htm


Uh oh. Gaz'll be along soon! :calm:

[roogazza]

Well you have now!

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/18july08_stoner.htm

Three in a row for Stoner but, two for Rossi !!!!! and 20 points ahead !
(hope I can say more for Monday !)

I did alot of reading yesterday (crap weather in Kapiti) but still don't come up with a better rider senario. What I have is the Duc still has superior speed, 6 or 7 k's Rossi reckons! But he said his bike is great to ride and has very good corner speed and side grip in the fast stuff and that he is closer this year in bike speed.
Pedrosa out, did read he was worse than first thought...... Gaz.

ps We're all just guessing and wishing tho aren't we ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Three in a row for Stoner but, two for Rossi !!!!! and 20 points ahead !
(hope I can say more for Monday !)

I did alot of reading yesterday (crap weather in Kapiti) but still don't come up with a better rider senario. What I have is the Duc still has superior speed, 6 or 7 k's Rossi reckons! But he said his bike is great to ride and has very good corner speed and side grip in the fast stuff and that he is closer this year in bike speed.
Pedrosa out, did read he was worse than first thought...... Gaz.

ps We're all just guessing and wishing tho aren't we ?

Hah...knew you'd be loitering round here sooner or later!

Mate...Stoner is once again considerably faster than Rossi...Laguna has NOTHING to do with top speed or HP.

Baring a fuck up...this race is Stoners.

[denill]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jul/080719g.htm>Gaz is not the only one who likes Val</A> :gob:

[svr]

Mate...Stoner is once again considerably faster than Rossi

I think the era of Rossi being the fastest rider in the world ended in 05, since then 2 australians have held that mantle - Bayliss in 06 and Stoner since.
Vale is still the smoothest, smartest, best one on one, best passer etc. just not the fastest. That said these are the qualities that have won many championships, and if one of those Stoner practice crashes breaks something, he'll win this one too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Vale is still the smoothest, smartest, best one on one, best passer etc. just not the fastest.

Until '06' I would've agreed with you. But when it came down to the wire between him and Hayden at the end of '06' and he binned it...I then thought he was human.

I think everyone else realized that too, and his air of invincibility went down with his bike.

I've said this before...but his championships were all won well before the last round, yet when he had to do or die he crumbled. Sounds like I'm a Rossi basher, but far from it. I'm one of his greatest admirers. He surely is one of the best we've seen...but head to head...like it's gonna be between him and Stoner...I back 'Aussie mongrel' over 'Italian flair'.

There's been so many Stoner bashers...but hey, the guy is the ultimate 'Baby faced assassin'!

Like Doohan, he goes out in every session with the purpose of breaking everyone else mentally. No single lap is wasted. I mean FFS...how many laps at Laguna did it take him to waste the lap record this weekend? 5? 10?

You've raced at a high level...you know how mentally challenging it is when the guys you're racing are faster than you in practice!

Stoner is fucking these guys in the head...then busting their balls on race day.

I'm glad I'm here to witness it. Respect!!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Are you kidding me? 1.5 seconds better than the fastest ever lap!!??

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Stoner+breaks+records+in+Laguna+Seca+with+fifth+st raight+pole+position

[roogazza]

Are you kidding me? 1.5 seconds better than the fastest ever lap!!??

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Stoner+breaks+records+in+Laguna+Seca+with+fifth+st raight+pole+position

This could be a good one Pete. I mean , if both stay on and we have a good head to head ? I haven't seen the times but I take it Stoner is on pole ?
Good day for a sickie , huh ? Gaz.

[Crasherfromwayback]

This could be a good one Pete. I mean , if both stay on and we have a good head to head ? I haven't seen the times but I take it Stoner is on pole ?
Good day for a sickie , huh ? Gaz.

Like I said...come by work. We're gonna spark up the barbie and have bacon sanwiches whilst we watch it.

[gav]

Why? Read this! Ducati were after Rossi!!
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jul/080719g.htm

[Crasherfromwayback]

Why? Read this! Ducati were after Rossi!!
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jul/080719g.htm

Says who? Rossi? Like they'd pay him what he asks for when they have a guy on the payroll that's faster. Unless of course they'd like to finish 1-2.

[gav]

I think 1 and 2 would be better than 1 and last like they have lately. However Melandri for a top 5 finish at Laguna!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think 1 and 2 would be better than 1 and last like they have lately. However Melandri for a top 5 finish at Laguna!

Melandri in the top five at Laguna? Dunno what you're smoking...but it must be powerful.

[gav]

He ran top 5 most of the practice sessions, and you can discount anyone on Michelins, they have really dropped the bundle! Some of the Michelin guys have been running intermediates on a dry track, just trying to get some heat into their rubber.
http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2008/USA/MotoGP/FP3

[k14]

Lol, well some humble pie to be eaten by 1 or 2 of us. Great race, who would have picked that!!!

[codgyoleracer]

Brilliantly thought-out pre race by Rossi & implemented to perfection.

[denill]

Spoiler thread.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1655319#post1655319

[codgyoleracer]

I believe when Bridgestone told Rossi to piss of they didn't need him, Rossi threatened to leave moto GP unless he got them.

THAT is sad.

Just as well Rossi realised the importance of tyres & dug his toes in then, - why race if you cant compete ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just as well Rossi realised the importance of tyres & dug his toes in then, - why race if you cant compete ?

Michelin have still had a couple of 'bogey' tracks this year...Laguna being one of them (although Dovisioso finished fourth I see), but Pedrosa was leading the championship on them! So I think if Rossi had stayed with them I'm sure he'd be pretty much where he is anyway!

[codgyoleracer]

Michelin have still had a couple of 'bogey' tracks this year...Laguna being one of them (although Dovisioso finished fourth I see), but Pedrosa was leading the championship on them! So I think if Rossi had stayed with them I'm sure he'd be pretty much where he is anyway!

I think the team (Burgess/Rossi) - had a pretty good idea of what package they needed to get closer to the Ducati camp. Stoner/Ducati is the No1 bike, - So if you have the same tyres as they have then thats one less thing that you have to try & bridge the gap over.
Things like tyres/fuel etc are the types of things that the team cant control in respect to their manufacture, - they CAN control almost all other aspects of the bike because they manufacture it.
So it is becomes very important to have a package at least somwhere close to the world championship winning bikes package to be "in the hunt".

I do believe that Michelin have lifted there game also this year - & no doubt much of the development will be driven to "prove" Rossi was wrong & teach him a lesson for snubbing their product.

Its gonna be a close season - & i picked Stoner to win it at the beginning with Rossi second. My heart hopes that I am wrong , but my gut tells me Stoner is still very much in the hunt.

My guess is that with Stoner now being in a deficit position of one DNF points-wise, he will push very hard - this may be his un-doing (or it may be his making)

Cant wait aye Crasher !

[Crasherfromwayback]

Its gonna be a close season - & i picked Stoner to win it at the beginning with Rossi second. My heart hopes that I am wrong , but my gut tells me Stoner is still very much in the hunt.

My guess is that with Stoner now being in a deficit position of one DNF points-wise, he will push very hard - this may be his un-doing (or it may be his making)

Cant wait aye Crasher !

I believe Stoner will do the business too.

[merv]

Well I said it before about Burgess that he is a big factor it would seem.

His record is 11 world championships since 1987 with Gardner, Doohan and Rossi (better than 50% strike rate). No other crew boss comes close.

[Badjelly]

I think the team (Burgess/Rossi) - had a pretty good idea of what package they needed to get closer to the Ducati camp. Stoner/Ducati is the No1 bike, - So if you have the same tyres as they have then thats one less thing that you have to try & bridge the gap over.

I thought I read somewhere that Burgess was opposed to Rossi switching to Bridgestone, or at least he was opposed to having the team's 2 riders on different tyres.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I thought I read somewhere that Burgess was opposed to Rossi switching to Bridgestone, or at least he was opposed to having the team's 2 riders on different tyres.

Yeah it certainly means they can't really share setup information

[roogazza]

Lol, well some humble pie to be eaten by 1 or 2 of us. Great race, who would have picked that!!!
Me! but ever so humble !

Brilliantly thought-out pre race by Rossi & implemented to perfection.

Hard way to do it though, isn't it Codge ? I just heard some stuff on the electronics of the Duc this morning but won't repeat it as it is hearsay. But Rossi does need another little edge to make it easier. Gaz.

[Badjelly]

I just heard some stuff on the electronics of the Duc this morning but won't repeat it as it is hearsay.

What???!!! I didn't realise Kiwibiker forums were governed by the Evidence Act.

[codgyoleracer]

Hard way to do it though, isn't it Codge ? I just heard some stuff on the electronics of the Duc this morning but won't repeat it as it is hearsay. But Rossi does need another little edge to make it easier. Gaz.[/QUOTE]

The Stone-face can exploit it darn well though (better than many others with similar stuff, so gotta give him that). Will it get like the modern jet-fighter ? (those cant be flown by a mere man anymore - as a mere-man cannot react quick enough to the mechanisms of the machine).

Obviously the electrikery aint good enough to solve the old "cold tyre syndrome" - aka , Lorenzo..........

[Cleve]

Obviously the electrikery aint good enough to solve the old "cold tyre syndrome" - aka , Lorenzo..........



lets see if Lorenzo has Bridgestones next year with Rossi shall we...

[Crasherfromwayback]

lets see if Lorenzo has Bridgestones next year with Rossi shall we...

He's gotta stay in one piece first! Man...Stoner crashed a lot in his first year on the big boys...but man does Lorenzo toss it away BIG when he does bin it!

[svr]

Lorenzo's high side was huge - check it in slo-mo. Why didn't TC catch that cold tire spin up?
And Pedrosa head first into the crash fencing at 70 odd clicks last week was sickening to watch. Whats stopping the development of anti-lock? You'd think that'd be a real aid in the wet and on trail-braking in the dry.

[Crasherfromwayback]

And Pedrosa head first into the crash fencing at 70 odd clicks last week was sickening to watch.

You shoulda seen my feet first into the bridge at Wanganui in '05'! If I'd gone in head first then I wouldn't have been here abusing people now!

[denill]

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12699>MotoGP to Hungary?</A>

[svr]

Good. Eastern european brolly dollies are of a consistently high standard.

[Cleve]

Good. Eastern european brolly dollies are of a consistently high standard.

Oh yeah!! As a regular visitor to E. Europe I can vouch for that. (Czech, Slovak, Hungrian and Bulgarian girls are just GORGEOUS!)
Am also looking forward to my lovely Suzuka "race queens" (as they call them over here) this weekend at the 8 hour!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh yeah!! As a regular visitor to E. Europe I can vouch for that. (Czech, Slovak, Hungrian and Bulgarian girls are just GORGEOUS!)
Am also looking forward to my lovely Suzuka "race queens" (as they call them over here) this weekend at the 8 hour!!!

Pictures please!!!

[NZsarge]

Oh yeah!! As a regular visitor to E. Europe I can vouch for that. (Czech, Slovak, Hungrian and Bulgarian girls are just GORGEOUS!)

Hot hungarians girls :love:.
Ah memories...

[Cleve]

Pictures please!!!

sorry for some reason all photos today were either shakey or fogged up lense...?!
Will try harder tomorrow.

[denill]

Hey Gaz. You're <a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/poll/default.asp>In The Minority:</A> Mate. :oi-grr:

[skaz]

Hey Gaz. You're <a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/poll/default.asp>In The Minority:</A> Mate. :oi-grr:

Is it asking if he will win the championship again or weather or not he will win a race again? Wording of question could be taken either way.
I think it would be very suprising if he didnt win another race this season, but its anyones guess about the championship.

[denill]

Is it asking if he will win the championship again or weather or not he will win a race again? Wording of question could be taken either way.
I think it would be very suprising if he didnt win another race this season, but its anyones guess about the championship.

Good point Skaz. I originally read it as, "Would he win the title?"

Re-reading, it's "Will he win another race?" And you'd be a fool to bet against that....... :whistle: :whistle:

[Badjelly]

Re-reading, it's "Will he win another race?" And you'd be a fool to bet against that....... :whistle: :whistle:

What odds are you offering?

[denill]

What odds are you offering?

My house against yours. :bleh:

[Badjelly]

My house against yours. :bleh:

Bet the house on Casey not winning another race this season? No.

[roogazza]

He'll win again Bill, and it could be the next one where I think the Laguna tactics won't work as well for Rossi. ( I voted yes !) Gaz.

ps Bill , forgot to remind you of another Doc channel bike thingy, sunday night and again monday if you miss it. Titled The doctor, Tornado and Kentucky Kid hope its as good as 'Faster" ? !!!!!!

[skaz]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69518

Interesting article about lorenzo talking about all his crashes and how hes feeling as a rider.

[denill]

He'll win again Bill, and it could be the next one where I think the Laguna tactics won't work as well for Rossi. ( I voted yes !) Gaz.

Yeah, I got it wrong. I thought it was - would he win the series. Ya wouldn't have voted 'yes' on that Gaz, lol...... :2thumbsup


ps Bill , forgot to remind you of another Doc channel bike thingy, sunday night and again monday if you miss it. Titled The doctor, Tornado and Kentucky Kid hope its as good as 'Faster" ? !!!!!!

Thanks for that Gaz. Don't tell anyone, but I missed 'Faster' after all that. Fuckwit! :bash:

[NZsarge]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69518

Interesting article about lorenzo talking about all his crashes and how hes feeling as a rider.

Hmm, was wondering what frame of mind he would be in at this point, understandably a little weary of things at the moment.
I hope his approach to getting his head around his issues works, seems logical enough anyway.
Best of luck to him, if he gets his shit together he will undoubtedly be a bigger star than he already is.

[Cleve]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69518

Interesting article about lorenzo talking about all his crashes and how hes feeling as a rider.

A very candid and interesting article. Almost feel sorry for the arrogant little prick...:shutup:

[pritch]

Found this interesting: http://www.motorcycledaily.com/29july08_tires.htm

During the Indy NASCAR race last weekend they had to have mandatory pit stops every 10 laps because that was all the tyres could handle. At that point the outside tyres were down to the fabric/steel or whatever.

The track had been scarred(?) to provide good grip. The plan was that the tyres would wear quickly until the scarring/scratches filled with rubber. That didn't work, the tyres just kept wearing out superfast,.

In mid Sept MotoGP will be at Indy and although I assume they will mostly be using the track in the infield, I would have thought they would be using parts of the main track so as to take advantage of the stands.

If I worked for Michelin or Bridgestone I'd be just a bit worried about that...

[Badjelly]

If I worked for Michelin or Bridgestone I'd be just a bit worried about that...

Horrors! We don't want a repeat of the Formula One Indy tyres debacle.

[denill]

Soup talked to Kevin Schwantz - . <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080810-34.htm>Full Interview here:</A>

Q But you rode all the manufacturers' bikes last year, as I recall, right?

A Yeah, in the past two years I've gotten to ride them. The Suzuki was one of my favorites. But I get to spend more time on it. It handles, it feels like a Suzuki when I ride it. And if I were to take the thing and sling it down the road, I don't have a hard time coming in and facing the Suzuki guys, whereas if I crashed a Honda, I'd probably never be able to face them again. But yeah. I think what we saw in Laguna was a little bit of old-school, "here's the way Grand Prix racing's supposed to be. I don't care your bike's faster. I don't care your shit's working better. I don't care you've won a whole lot more races than me. I'm going to stuff you in the next turn and you're going to have to find another way around me. And what it's going to do, is it's either going to frustrate you enough that you're going to make a mistake and going to run off the track and fall over, something's going to happen."

Q That's kind of exactly what you and Wayne used to do, right?

A Exactly. And when I heard Stoner complain a little bit about the passes and the this and the that, it's like, "He never took a shot at you unnecessarily. He ran off the track? You're the one that put your position, that put yourself in the position outside of him, to get bumped into. And you leaned on him as much as anything." I'd have waited. I'd have let him slid across the track. I'd have driven right by him, and he'd have probably never seen me again. But it's good to see that there's still a little fire in some of those guys out there, because you don't see it very often. It's like, "Hey, here we go. We're going off into this corner. I'm up the inside of you. I'm going to let off the brakes and take the spot. I know it's going to make you mad because I'm slowing you down a little bit, but it's the only chance I've really got to beat you."

Q How else was Rossi going to win, unless he did something like that, at that track?

A Exactly.

Q So, the obvious. Spies. It's amazing how just a few weeks ago, after his performance at Donington, he was kind of the story of the moment. When we spoke to him at Miller he was very confident about getting a seat in MotoGP, potentially. And now, one race at Laguna, and Ben's gone from - maybe it's an exaggeration to say "hero to zero," but the take on it is, "Well, no, he's probably not going to get a top-level ride next year, certainly not with Suzuki." Do you have any thoughts on that, about how quickly that seemed to have turned around? It seems like things changed on a dime.

A There's a bunch of guys who've been riding MotoGP for a long time who can, on the odd occasion, extract something from that bike that'll get it up near the front and really please the sponsor and the manufacturer. But I really think it's a sport - it used to be, when we turned 30, you were looking - if you could get another year's contract, you were laughing. Now, it's 35, 36, 37, some of the guys. You know what? There comes a time when you've got to just step aside. Trust me, I know how hard it is to do. If there's not injuries or something forcing you to quit, it's always almost impossible to make yourself walk away from a job that obviously is pretty good pay, it's a wonderful lifestyle, it's a great group of people. But I think Ben's the natural fit. He's been a Suzuki man for a long time. Why not take him over and give him a shot? The worst thing that can happen is he can do bad, and then - if he replaces Capirossi, he's getting beat by Vermeulen consistently - you do him a year at a time. After a year, if he doesn't do it, you move him back to the side and you bring somebody else in, maybe from 125s or 250s. But I don't see how they can send you to a Donington, having never been there, and to a Laguna Seca, which on a good day's a tough place to get around. Yeah, he knows the place really well, but he doesn't know the bike and the tires and everything about it. I still think Ben deserves a shot at MotoGP. I think what he's done here in the US, and the fact that he's as young as he is, I really think that's where he needs to be. But as it happens, it may not be next year on a Suzuki. Maybe he's got to go try and find a private Honda or a - I don't even know if, there's no private Yamaha spots left, now. Both Colin and Toseland are there.

Q Coming from somebody who was associated with one brand for their whole career, I guess there's these moments in time when you have to make a decision, are you going to stay with something. The money is so good here, and that's been a big factor. Ben has stated that he's going to go where the money is. Do you think that maybe that going for the money at this point in his career is the right option, or should he maybe let the money take a back seat and go to a top-level World Superbike team, maybe do well there, and then get a shot at MotoGP? Or go to a satellite MotoGP team? What do you think about money versus thinking about the career long-term, for him, right now?

A Well, there's no doubt, being a Suzuki man, I'd love to see him stay at Suzuki. From a career perspective, it's so difficult, because there are so few teams in MotoGP these days, you've almost got to just look after yourself. I was lucky. I had a couple different opportunities when I could've gone to different teams and different brands. Luckily, one manufacturer said, "We appreciate that you want to come ride for us, but us amongst the Japanese agree that no, we're not going to touch you. You're their rider." And then later in my career, I had another opportunity to go ride for another team, and just thought better of it myself. So I think whatever Spies does, it's going to be motivated just by his heart. He knows he can stay here and be competitive, run at the front, and like you said, make a good amount of money. Or, does he try and go conquer the world. Which, a national championship here in the US is a big, very important championship, but to say MotoGP World Champion is unlike any other that there is out there. I don't know if going to spend a year or two in World Superbike isn't a step sideways and not really getting you any closer. Maybe just stay here.

Q Well, it worked for Vermeulen, certainly.

A Yeah. Maybe just stay here, continue to keep your Suzuki ties together, and then over the next season, go do some odd tests and a few races, build a little more rapport with the factory, now they see you do a couple of tests in a couple places, and like, "Holy shit! He spent two days testing, he was faster than anybody!" It's tough, because you've got to roll the dice and hope that it all plays out, because I don't care who you talk to at whatever manufacturer it is, you don't ever know exactly how it's going to pan out. And there might be somebody come along, some new, young, super-small Spanish kid just like a Pedrosa, or somebody like a Stoner, come in and step onto a MotoGP bike and start to rule the world. So it's a timing thing. I don't know that I have a true direction to give Ben right now, to say, "Hey, stay," or "Go." It's you. It's what your heart is, where you want to go, what you want to be

[svr]

Soup talked to Wayne Rainey. <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080810-34.htm>Full Interview here:</A>

Q But you rode all the manufacturers' bikes last year, as I recall, right?

A Yeah, ...

It's a miracle!

[merv]

Ah, I think Denill meant to say Schwantz :2thumbsup

[denill]

Shit. Not a blonde moment - put it down to senility Merv................ :laugh: :laugh:

[roogazza]

BRNO ....... This Sunday 9pm. Can Rossi give 'wingnut' another lesson ?
or is it too fast and open at this track ? Gaz.

Crasher and Bill will be along soon no doubt, in their red undies !

[slowpoke]

Anyone know a bar in the Welly/ 'rapa region where ya can watch it rather than more Club thuggery?

[NZsarge]

BRNO ....... This Sunday 9pm. Can Rossi give 'wingnut' another lesson ?
or is it too fast and open at this track ?

I prefer to wait in anticipation rather than think it over too much and come to some over thought expectation. :corn:

[Crasherfromwayback]

BRNO ....... This Sunday 9pm. Can Rossi give 'wingnut' another lesson ?
or is it too fast and open at this track ? Gaz.

Crasher and Bill will be along soon no doubt, in their red undies !

Here I am!

This is interesting...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080814y.htm

[roogazza]

Here I am!

This is interesting...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080814y.htm

Pete, I'm on the edge of my seat , just wanting a good fight again, preferably in the dry. G. :corn:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pete, I'm on the edge of my seat , just wanting a good fight again, preferably in the dry. G. :corn:

Yeah the dirtier and nastier the better!

[svr]

"Despite feeling less than 100% with a fever, there was no stopping Casey Stoner from taking a sixth successive pole position for the Cardion ab Grand Prix Ceske republiky, as the Australian imposed his will on his rivals in a wet qualifying session.

Stoner recorded a fastest time of 2´11.657 in the soaking session, giving him the longest pole streak since fellow countryman Mick Doohan´s twelve-in-a-row from 1997. In doing so, he relegated MotoGP´s self-styled `Doctor´ -World Championship leader Valentino Rossi- down to second on the grid.

Rossi was suffering his own ailment on Saturday, with an ear and sinus infection posing him problems. Even with their respective medical woes, both Stoner and Rossi can be expected to battle against each other once more in Brno when the red light goes out on Sunday.

The front row will be completed by last year´s runner-up at Brno, Kawasaki´s John Hopkins, as the Anglo-American lines up for his first MotoGP race since the June visit to Donington Park. A first front row for `Team Green´ marked an ideal return for Hopkins, who will be out for a maiden podium to salvage something from his 2008 campaign."

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stoner will blow Rossi into the weeds.

[k14]

Stoner will blow Rossi into the weeds.
Yeah I don't know about that, it is forecasted to be fine for the race so that will make it interesting. They only had Friday as the dry sessions and they were just separated by one tenth.

What about those Michelins though?? I think now rossi will be quite happy with his decision!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

What about those Michelins though?? I think now rossi will be quite happy with his decision!!

True that. Interesting to see if they come back fighting...or if they run away with their tail between their legs!

Word has it they're (Dorna) having more talks about a one make tyre rule.

[k14]

True that. Interesting to see if they come back fighting...or if they run away with their tail between their legs!

Word has it they're (Dorna) having more talks about a one make tyre rule.
Yeah well this weekends goings on certainly help out the supporters of that idea. Still not convinced it would be for the better though?? Hard call for sure.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah well this weekends goings on certainly help out the supporters of that idea. Still not convinced it would be for the better though?? Hard call for sure.

Fuck the one make tyre rule. If they do it...might as well make it proddie racing. Gp's (to me at least) are all about 'brands' and the will to have drive/technology to be better than the other people.

[svr]

Dunno.
I think gp's are about:
1. the riders, then
2. the manufacturers, then
3. tire brands

Thats all sweet unless #3 is seriously fucking up #1. It aint at the moment (Pedrosa and Mich were running away with it before he got hurt).

[gav]

Must admit, didn't expect that result!

[NZsarge]

Must admit, didn't expect that result!

Under pressure....:wacko:

[k14]

Under pressure....:wacko:
Yeah well thats what everyone will be saying and its hard to put it down to anything else. He was keeping the gap at a constant 1-1.2s and rossi was no able to close it down. I think its rossi's to loose now. Would have to have at least 1 dnf for stoner to have a sniff.

[roogazza]

I hoped for this result, but disappointed the way it unfolded. Not wanting to give away the result, a good fight would have been much better. Gaz.

[svr]

Stoner: 2 races, 2 crashes
Michelin: Now there's a big problem...

[Chrislost]

What if rossie is just being himself and playing games?
they have pitboards and know exactly how fast they/everyone else is...
he _could_ have just been sitting there for a few lap, then when he sped up and before he could pass stoner, and dissapear off ahead, stoner crashed...

[wharfy]

What if rossie is just being himself and playing games?
they have pitboards and know exactly how fast they/everyone else is...
he _could_ have just been sitting there for a few lap, then when he sped up and before he could pass stoner, and dissapear off ahead, stoner crashed...

I don't think so, there is to much at stake to be playing, I am pretty sure Rossi would have been trying to get to the front from the flag drop.

I would love the chance to ask him though.
I can see it now wharfy and Vale in the bar having a few bevvies, talking about sex (cause thats what guy's do when they have had a few)
wharfy says " hey Vale speaking of sex, were you just fucking with Stoner at Brno ?" "nay fookin chance, I wur geein it deeth fur the off !" Rossi replied :eek5:

[Cleve]

Rossi said in the post race interview that he felt that he was gaining on Stoner just before he crashed so we may never know if Rossi was able to catch battle and beat Stoner to the end.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I hoped for this result, but disappointed the way it unfolded. Not wanting to give away the result, a good fight would have been much better. Gaz.

Yep a good scrap would've been nice! Doubt your man will be headed off now mate!