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[Velox]

Well I'm having a few issues with Police PR at the mo. (no offence to any cops on the site, I blame it on the system and some individual officers):
Firstly, my mum got a ticket for going 61 on Burma Rd the other day which is absolutely ridiculous. For those of you that don't know it's a long, straight, really wide road in Wgtn that should be a 70 or 80 km zone at least. Nothing on one side of it and just an old folks home on the other. There's absolutely no safety issue with speeding there - you've really got to wonder eh?
Secondly, I was sitting near a roundabout a couple of nights ago and a boyracer came up to it and stopped to giveway to a cop car that was already on it. The cop stopped right in the middle of the intersection and waited for the other guy to go! The guy waited a while but the cop wasn't going to move so he just went and the cop hooned after him with his lights on! Mate - I was so pissed off. The cop came back down the road not too long after so I'm thinking there could possibly be a chance that he was just checking the guy's licence etc... But man - that's pretty rough if he wasn't!
Thirdly, last week I was taking my friend's bike for a little ride at the Thurs night thing at the Hutt carpark (boy racer gathering :crazy: ) and the cops had blocked the exit and were checking everyone's licences. The guy asked me what I was up to and, thinking he was just making conversation while he checked my licence, I said "Oh, I'm just hanging out with mates" and he said "Actually you're just annoying people" and told me I couldn't go back in to get my mates and "goodbye" and he walked off. Nice PR buddy!
Fourthly, I had a dream that I was driving a car (!) and couldn't stop in time (because the light glared on the windscreen) and ended up driving onto the back of a cop truck which was parked in the middle of the road for exactly that purpose. When I jumped off the truck and looked back at my car it was gone and had been crushed into a small cube with heaps of other cars. I was so angry to think that, as if the huge fines for speeding weren't bad enough, just because I couldn't stop in time they could crush my car!!! That one really got me worked up, but perhaps it isn't so justified as the other three reasons.

[inlinefour]

Well I'm having a few issues with Police PR at the mo. (no offence to any cops on the site, I blame it on the system and some individual officers):
Firstly, my mum got a ticket for going 61 on Burma Rd the other day which is absolutely ridiculous. For those of you that don't know it's a long, straight, really wide road in Wgtn that should be a 70 or 80 km zone at least. Nothing on one side of it and just an old folks home on the other. There's absolutely no safety issue with speeding there - you've really got to wonder eh?
Secondly, I was sitting near a roundabout a couple of nights ago and a boyracer came up to it and stopped to giveway to a cop car that was already on it. The cop stopped right in the middle of the intersection and waited for the other guy to go! The guy waited a while but the cop wasn't going to move so he just went and the cop hooned after him with his lights on! Mate - I was so pissed off. The cop came back down the road not too long after so I'm thinking there could possibly be a chance that he was just checking the guy's licence etc... But man - that's pretty rough if he wasn't!
Thirdly, last week I was taking my friend's bike for a little ride at the Thurs night thing at the Hutt carpark (boy racer gathering :crazy: ) and the cops had blocked the exit and were checking everyone's licences. The guy asked me what I was up to and, thinking he was just making conversation while he checked my licence, I said "Oh, I'm just hanging out with mates" and he said "Actually you're just annoying people" and told me I couldn't go back in to get my mates and "goodbye" and he walked off. Nice PR buddy!
Fourthly, I had a dream that I was driving a car (!) and couldn't stop in time (because the light glared on the windscreen) and ended up driving onto the back of a cop truck which was parked in the middle of the road for exactly that purpose. When I jumped off the truck and looked back at my car it was gone and had been crushed into a small cube with heaps of other cars. I was so angry to think that, as if the huge fines for speeding weren't bad enough, just because I couldn't stop in time they could crush my car!!! That one really got me worked up, but perhaps it isn't so justified as the other three reasons.

If she has done the crime, which by your own confession she has. Then pay up.
Err sorry officer but that person left their car window open and that laptop and cellphone should not been in the car either. Along with that, when I looked through their CD collection in the glove box, I found the keys to the ignition!
So it not my fault bbbbwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! :confused2

[denill]

I am not a police knocker but have like many others, good reason to question and criticise their priorities. This article appeared in the local newspaper last night.

BillW

Source - <a href=http://hbtoday.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3621063&thesection=localnews&thesubsection=&thesecondsubsection=>HB Today</A>

<B>TOP STORY: Body stayed on beach while cop manned speed camera
21.01.2005 </B>

Chris Gardner

Rescue services left waiting with a drowned man were told police could not attend the Ocean Beach scene - but the man who pulled the body from the waves passed an officer with a speedgun up the road soon after.

Roger Parr, who pulled the body of 79-year-old Havelock North man Jeremiah Henley from the surf at Ranaika with a friend on Saturday, spotted an officer on speed camera duty just minutes from Ocean Beach after being told police were not available after a 40-minute wait.

Ocean Beach Kiwi Surf Patrol was on the scene before Mr Parr, of Napier, and his friend had pulled Mr Henley out.

The Lowe Corporation Rescue Helicopter also responded - taking the body away when they learned police were not coming.

"We waited 40 minutes for the police to come and do their part. Nobody was available to come to the scene of an unexplained death, or to get an account of what had taken place," Mr Parr said.

He thought police must have been busy dealing with essential matters elsewhere, but then saw a police officer with a speedgun about 3km from the scene of the drowning - at the Ocean Beach Road intersection with Waimarama Road.

"I was distressed to see this policeman sitting there in his car and pointing his little speedgun down the road," Mr Parr, patient care co-ordinator at Cranford Hospice, said.

"How can it be that the death of a person is downgraded to such a point of insignificance that it does not warrant any response from the police because they are too busy trying to hand out fines up the road?"

He did not hear from police until Monday, when an officer asked him to go to the Hastings police station and give his statement.

"It would seem that, increasingly, the only way to access any service from the police is to drive at 111km per hour on the open road."

Hastings area commander Inspector Dean Clifford said given the circumstances and staff available he was "happy with how the police staff dealt with this very unfortunate event".

The officer Mr Parr saw was a Road Policing Group member dealing with a crash on Ocean Beach Road, which was experiencing heavy traffic.

"Deployment of resources are made based on the information at hand and, unfortunately, at times those decisions may not meet the expectations of the people involved."

Mr Clifford did not supply details of the crash. A Hastings firestation spokesperson told Hawke's Bay Today that the fire service did not attend any crash in Ocean Beach Road that afternoon.

Mr Henley, a widower, was to be farewelled today at St Luke's Anglican Church in Havelock North.

[merv]

Its time the politicians woke up to this stupidity. Driving down the Porirua motorway a couple of days ago I see an HP with his laser gun and then just down the road were two more HP parked off on the grass parked farmer style RH door to RH door just having a yarn out their windows. All this on a quiet weekday on the road. We don't need this overkill.

When HP didn't exist and the Police concentrated on real work with a bit of HP thrown in they certainly had more of my respect. Not these days.

[Will]

Very unfortunate but it looks like the Officer wasn't trained for other police work.
And that's the way it goes.
You know that the speed camera vans are manned with contract staff, not police.
Do you know that ACC have paid the government for the STOP buses that do the drink driving tests and that they have also paid for so many man hours of police time on those buses. So if a buglary happens near a STOP bus, the staff (theoretically) wont do anything else but the bus.
And that's the way it goes.

[sAsLEX]

"I was distressed to see this policeman sitting there in his car and pointing his little speedgun down the road," Mr Parr, patient care co-ordinator at Cranford Hospice, said.

"It would seem that, increasingly, the only way to access any service from the police is to drive at 111km per hour on the open road."

Hastings area commander Inspector Dean Clifford said given the circumstances and staff available he was "happy with how the police staff dealt with this very unfortunate event".

The officer Mr Parr saw was a Road Policing Group member dealing with a crash on Ocean Beach Road, which was experiencing heavy traffic.

"Deployment of resources are made based on the information at hand and, unfortunately, at times those decisions may not meet the expectations of the people involved."

Mr Clifford did not supply details of the crash. A Hastings firestation spokesperson told Hawke's Bay Today that the fire service did not attend any crash in Ocean Beach Road that afternoon.


The fact it was a man with a little speed gun would suggest it wasn't a speed camera and therefore a HP or normal cop would it no Spud???

And the spin the Senior cops have put on it is utter shit and leaves me wondering why the f**k our taxes go into a force that has specilised to the extent it cant see beyond its narrow minded focus of saving lives through fining people for 111km! The asher case (sp?), farmers wife and cases like this leave the public with little respect and confidence in people who should be upstanding members of our nation. Vigilante justice and anarchy are approaching fast.

[PSYCHO]

This sort of thing doesn't suprise me at all. Their no1 priority seems to be gathering revenue from NZers, what aload of shit. They couldn't give a shit about the road toll, they use the road toll as an excuse for this bs .

[denill]

Very unfortunate but it looks like the Officer wasn't trained for other police work.
And that's the way it goes.
You know that the speed camera vans are manned with contract staff, not police.

Hey Will - the weasel response from the Hastings area commander Inspector Dean Clifford made no mention of any of the above????

I reckon you would make a better PR/damage control person than Clifford. The best he could do was come up with a spurious accident in the area.

As Merv wrote - Police are losing respect at an ever increasing rate and Politicians need to tackle the problem.................

BillW.

[Lou Girardin]

Are they so arrogant that they don't even bother with the principle of plausible deniability?

[WINJA]

Very unfortunate but it looks like the Officer wasn't trained for other police work.
And that's the way it goes.
You know that the speed camera vans are manned with contract staff, not police.
Do you know that ACC have paid the government for the STOP buses that do the drink driving tests and that they have also paid for so many man hours of police time on those buses. So if a buglary happens near a STOP bus, the staff (theoretically) wont do anything else but the bus.
And that's the way it goes.
WELL GUYS IM ALL FOR THIS BOOZE BUS, I PERSONALLY THINK THE AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL BEFORE DRIVING SHOULD BE LOWER THAN IT IS NOW.

[inlinefour]

but will be keeping my opinion to my self :shutup:

[inlinefour]

I am not a police knocker but have like many others, good reason to question and criticise their priorities. This article appeared in the local newspaper last night......
.

Is the cost of sending a Police car more expensive than having a helicopter come and pick up the body??? :shutup:

[inlinefour]

WELL GUYS IM ALL FOR THIS BOOZE BUS, I PERSONALLY THINK THE AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL BEFORE DRIVING SHOULD BE LOWER THAN IT IS NOW.

Personally I think if your going to drive it should be completely unacceptable to have and alcohol in your system at all :shutup:

[spudchucka]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=155834&postcount=235

I guess people don't bother searching the forum before posting anymore.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=155909&postcount=241

Same issues apply.

[spudchucka]

I've had enough of the mud slinging game, it gets pretty blardy boring and I would not be aware of the issue coming up before as I'm new to the site. Look if I have offended you as much as I think I have then I apologise. Point taken on the rep points. I guess if I aint got something nice to say==>>> :shutup:
You don't need to apologise, I'm not offended at all. But I'm glad you've had a wee think about things.

[inlinefour]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=155834&postcount=235

I guess people don't bother searching the forum before posting anymore.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=155909&postcount=241

Same issues apply.

Some of us just dont trawl around the site for other threads on the same issue, kinda have better things to do :ride:

[inlinefour]

You don't need to apologise, I'm not offended at all. But I'm glad you've had a wee think about things.
:done: :soon: :Oops: :Offtopic:

[marty]

says the man?? who resurrected 100 dead threads less than a week ago.....

[inlinefour]

says the man?? who resurrected 100 dead threads less than a week ago.....

I thought I explained and sorted that one out :calm:

[spudchucka]

Firstly, my mum got a ticket for going 61 on Burma Rd the other dayIt pisses me off as well. I wouldn't even bother stopping someone for 61, unless they were a crim known to me or it was near a school, hospital etc.


Secondly, I was sitting near a roundabout a couple of nights ago and a boyracer came up to it and stopped to giveway to a cop car that was already on it. The cop stopped right in the middle of the intersection and waited for the other guy to go! The guy waited a while but the cop wasn't going to move so he just went and the cop hooned after him with his lights on! Mate - I was so pissed off. The cop came back down the road not too long after so I'm thinking there could possibly be a chance that he was just checking the guy's licence etc... But man - that's pretty rough if he wasn't!My first thought is that the cop knew the driver and wanted to speak to him about something. But you are right, he shouldn't just sit in the middle of the road like that.


Thirdly, last week I was taking my friend's bike for a little ride at the Thurs night thing at the Hutt carpark (boy racer gathering :crazy: ) and the cops had blocked the exit and were checking everyone's licences. The guy asked me what I was up to and, thinking he was just making conversation while he checked my licence, I said "Oh, I'm just hanging out with mates" and he said "Actually you're just annoying people" and told me I couldn't go back in to get my mates and "goodbye" and he walked off. Nice PR buddy! I don't know what it is like down in the Hutt Valley but when "boy racers" gather in large numbers in my area they tend to make a nuisance of themselves and we get heaps of complaints about them doing skids and the loud "boom boom" stereos. If thats the case I can understand the cops treating people with some contempt, (because it is a pain in the arse and they would rather be doing something else).


Fourthly, I had a dream that I was driving a car
OK............. maybe theres a sign there but I can't quite figure it out.

[justsomeguy]

As Merv wrote - Police are losing respect at an ever increasing rate and Politicians need to tackle the problem.................

BillW.

The govt are very busy, first they lowered the drinking age, legalised prostitution, gave us the civil union bill.......... leave them alone will you........

[Redstar]

I guess you won't get a Traffic revenue collector all dressed up like a Policeman attending a crime or civil duty, and you won't get a Policeman issueing bullshit trivia tickets? it was so much easier to differentiate the breed when the Traffic Department drove black and whites.

[inlinefour]

I guess you won't get a Traffic revenue collector all dressed up like a Policeman attending a crime or civil duty, and you won't get a Policeman issueing bullshit trivia tickets? it was so much easier to differentiate the breed when the Traffic Department drove black and whites.

Plus unless you where being a total dumb arse the magpies where allright and pretty good to talk to. As a teenager I used to get pulled up at least once on a Friday night, but generally by the same dude on a bike who just wanted to have a chat. These days they have the Police name on them and the common sense has gone and bullshit has taken over? :eek5: :doh:

[denill]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=155834&postcount=235

I guess people don't bother searching the forum before posting anymore.
Sorry MSTRS, didn't mean to 'steal' your thread. It is not the first time I have done it, but I have another life and do not read/follow EVERY thread and after a quick look around I decided it was fresh.

spudchucka - it is natural that you defend your colleagues, but it must be starting to dawn that more and more Police actions are indefensible.
It is not you guys in the front line (apart from a few who are just arseholes anyway) but the REAL problem is - the directions from the hierachy.
spudchucka - if you are really honest would you admit to at times being directed to carry out some activities that you consider unpalatable??

BillW.

[Blakamin]

I don't know what it is like down in the Hutt Valley but when "boy racers" gather in large numbers in my area they tend to make a nuisance of themselves and we get heaps of complaints about them doing skids and the loud "boom boom" stereos. If thats the case I can understand the cops treating people with some contempt, (because it is a pain in the arse and they would rather be doing something else).


I wish they'd just lock all the BRs up and be done with the fuckers

[Kickaha]

spudchucka - it is natural that you defend your colleagues, but it must be starting to dawn that more and more Police actions are indefensible.



Or is it just that these actions make better media than all the good that they do and so tend to be reported more

[scumdog]

Or is it just that these actions make better media than all the good that they do and so tend to be reported more

Now theres a man with a shit-load of common sense!! Good stuff, glad to see somebody else notices that, as I said in another thread, traffic aside the Police are making the same number of mistakes as they did 10-20 years ago, only now the media seem to have an agenda to make as much of it as they can, unlike a few years back.

Newspaper editors? they're behind politicians and child molesters - a LONG way behind. :mad:

And even car salesmen are ahead of the above bunch :Pokey:

[scumdog]

Plus unless you where being a total dumb arse the magpies where allright and pretty good to talk to. As a teenager I used to get pulled up at least once on a Friday night, but generally by the same dude on a bike who just wanted to have a chat. These days they have the Police name on them and the common sense has gone and bullshit has taken over? :eek5: :doh:

I beg to differ, they were even more pedantic as they're job description was a bit nrrower and traffic specific.

Never been pulled over by Police to the same extent as I did by Traffic, both before and after the merger (talking about my 'previous'life here)

After all, how many of you've been threatened with a ticket 'cos you had bent the number plate to suit the bracket (ex-USA bike) even though it was totally legible? :shit:
r

[manuboy]

I think it's a bit of a worry that people can post these threads. It's not even trolling - it's just BS. Because even those of us that don't see the police force though rose tinted glasses cannot seriously hold the opinion that the scenario in this case was as simple as it played out in print.

Think about it - the cops are getting a pasting right now for one thing, they wouldn't be courting the type of public relations disaster the media could have / will make from this.

And more importantly, depsite what some would like to think, if the resources are available, there's no way the police would neglect their duties like this. There might be isolated cases that lead people to think otherwise, but Police are generally like you and me - you do your job to the best of your abilities. Especially if lives are involved. I see lack of resources as a valid excuse here. Who's to know that at the time a guy already dead was lying on the beach, somebody else not quite dead yet was at immediate risk and needed attending to?

[merv]

I beg to differ, they were even more pedantic as they're job description was a bit nrrower and traffic specific.

Never been pulled over by Police to the same extent as I did by Traffic, both before and after the merger (talking about my 'previous'life here)

After all, how many of you've been threatened with a ticket 'cos you had bent the number plate to suit the bracket (ex-USA bike) even though it was totally legible? :shit:
r
I agree entirely, I enjoyed the days after MOT when the Police did it all, they never bothered me much at all, but then along came HP. All in their flash shiny cars and all gung-ho. I think it been said before, the general duties guys are left to drive around in the high km shitters to do all the real work. The prima donnas have it easy, example of this was my previous comment on the HP just sitting having a chat in their cars side by side on the grass beside the motorway. I guess the HP people would have the same personalities as the old MOT cops had way back, something akin to Gestapo.


I see lack of resources as a valid excuse here. Who's to know that at the time a guy already dead was lying on the beach, somebody else not quite dead yet was at immediate risk and needed attending to?
If, as Denill says, the dude was just using his laser gun, he's hardly attending to crash victims and other such important duties.

[marty]

a sudden death (especially in a public place) is a priority one job, i fail to see how the situation could pan out as it apparantley has. also, is it 100% sure that the rescue chopper picked up the deceased? i would be surprised, as even ambulance will not transport deceased (unless they die en-route) - that is the job of the coroner's agent (the police, and the undertaker, at the police call). the resucue chopper is not the coroner's agent, and if they did uplift the body, they are toeing a fine line between public service and ensuring they get revenue, as if it is no longer an accident, then ACC won't subsidise. how did they know it wasn't a homicide made to look like a drowning? as i said, the P1 status is automatic for a sudden death, and is given priority over everything else. the camera operator doesn't even come into the equation, as they (most of them anyway) have as much clout, power and incident attendance training as the average front counter receptionist at the local police station, and they may not even have been on the same radio channel. as a comparison, if an emergency was to occur at Tamahere, which is 3 kms south of hamilton on SH1, even though there may be cops cruising in hillcrest, or a camera van parked on SH1 2kms south of hamilton, they would not know about it, as they operate on the hamilton city channel, but tamahere is in cambridge's patch, and they operate on a separate channel. Cambridge is 15kms from tamahere. it is easy to see how, without the full picture, the perception of a situation leads to conclusions being drawn.

[Frankie]

Whats new...

Next thing you know youll hear "Please hold, a taxi has been dispatched to a location 490km away... please start walking" :kick:
oh wait... its already like that

[Zapf]

yea I have similar gruge... all they care is about speeding, when I drive all of 25km's home from city to howick and I see 3 red light runners, all of them running reds clearly. after around 1 to 2 seconds after the reds came on.

Its those KPI's I tell you.... (Key Performance Indicators) e.g how many speeders and not red light runners

[Rainbow Wizard]

This sort of thing doesn't suprise me at all. Their no1 priority seems to be gathering revenue from NZers, what aload of shit. They couldn't give a shit about the road toll, they use the road toll as an excuse for this bs .

Yet another story to back up NZ Police inadequacies. Days are shown in brackets : [1]Stolen item identified for sale on TradeMe > Police notified 5 days before auction closes > Action: NIL > [5] As I knew (but had totally lost track of the owner) I successfully bid on the item to prevent it from disppearing into the ether then did some detective work to trace the vendor (not otherwise publicly traceable: hotmail address, no reply to my emails) turns out the vendor AND TradeMe had both been notified [3] of its stolen status by another person >[6] sighted the item at vendor's temporary workplace but still unable trace genuine owner > [7] obtained owner's email & notified him of the situation and passed on vendor's first name (all he would volunteer) and work location >[7] Police notified >[10] Police advise they have identified vendor's name & address >[14] Police email owner alleging insufficient detail supplied to prove item offered for sale was his. This was total BS, his name was embossed in 50mm high letters on a totally prominent position AND the serial number was also given to the Police. UNBLOODY-BELIEVABLE INCOMPETANCE >[15] Owner visits Regional Commander to complain > [18] Police verify vendor's description & place of work with me >[21] Officer to whom the burglary was originally reported verifies details to establish sufficient criteria exists to justify search warrant > [22] Item recovered.

I'm totally surprised the vendor hadn't quit or destroyed the item, denial is usually the first form of defence. I am also absolutely confident that had I not secured the bid and sighted the item the Police action would have been ZIP, despite the irrefutable evidence. But as we all know, leave your seatbelt (some of us own cars too) off or exceed the speed limit (read: exhibit an opportunity for revenue gathering) and they'll be on us like a plague. Boy have these fellers and their bigwig bureaucrat bosses got some damage control task in front of them! :yeah:

[scumdog]

Yep, if everybody kept there seatbelts on, didn't speed, didn't run red lights and NEVER did any drink-driving we would have SO much more time/staff available for burgs. assaults etc.

One burg = $2,000 -$5,000 worth of gear gone.

One serious injury crash with one person = $30,000 + of medical care etc.

O.K., you can't say a H.P. guy on patrol giving out the odd ticket prevents X number of crashes But even if it prevents a single serious injury crash it has saved the country 10 times or more of the cost of a burglary.

Go for it flamers!!!!

[Zapf]

Yet another story to back up NZ Police inadequacies. Days are shown in brackets : [1]Stolen item identified for sale on TradeMe > Police notified 5 days before auction closes > Action: NIL > [5] As I knew (but had totally lost track of the owner) I successfully bid on the item to prevent it from disppearing into the ether then did some detective work to trace the vendor (not otherwise publicly traceable: hotmail address, no reply to my emails) turns out the vendor AND TradeMe had both been notified [3] of its stolen status by another person >[6] sighted the item at vendor's temporary workplace but still unable trace genuine owner > [7] obtained owner's email & notified him of the situation and passed on vendor's first name (all he would volunteer) and work location >[7] Police notified >[10] Police advise they have identified vendor's name & address >[14] Police email owner alleging insufficient detail supplied to prove item offered for sale was his. This was total BS, his name was embossed in 50mm high letters on a totally prominent position AND the serial number was also given to the Police. UNBLOODY-BELIEVABLE INCOMPETANCE >[15] Owner visits Regional Commander to complain > [18] Police verify vendor's description & place of work with me >[21] Officer to whom the burglary was originally reported verifies details to establish sufficient criteria exists to justify search warrant > [22] Item recovered.

I'm totally surprised the vendor hadn't quit or destroyed the item, denial is usually the first form of defence. I am also absolutely confident that had I not secured the bid and sighted the item the Police action would have been ZIP, despite the irrefutable evidence. But as we all know, leave your seatbelt (some of us own cars too) off or exceed the speed limit (read: exhibit an opportunity for revenue gathering) and they'll be on us like a plague. Boy have these fellers and their bigwig bureaucrat bosses got some damage control task in front of them! :yeah:

I recon you should send the above letter to your local MP.

[Rainbow Wizard]

SO LET ME HAVE MY OPINION WITHOUT HAVING A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ME

So how many holes you got in your feet Mr Uppercase WINJA?

[MSTRS]

Now theres a man with a shit-load of common sense!! Good stuff, glad to see somebody else notices that, as I said in another thread, traffic aside the Police are making the same number of mistakes as they did 10-20 years ago, only now the media seem to have an agenda to make as much of it as they can, unlike a few years back.

Newspaper editors? they're behind politicians and child molesters - a LONG way behind. :mad:

And even car salesmen are ahead of the above bunch :Pokey:
I agree with the common sense thing. I do realise that newspapers need to be controversial etc to boost sales, but felt that the article was good enough to stand on it's merits to illustrate people's frustrations re the police & how they are viewed by the public.
Disagree with the editor being lower etc. I mean, come on.....

[spudchucka]

spudchucka - it is natural that you defend your colleagues, but it must be starting to dawn that more and more Police actions are indefensible.What is obvious to me is that the people doing the whinging have the least understanding of the truth. They rely on media and word of mouth for the information that their opinions are based on. How many times have you read someone on this forum, in one of these "police" threads say something along the lines of "I have heard the police....... WHATEVER". Hearing of something is a far cry from knowing something. I have nothing against people holding opinions but when they are based on hear-say and second hand information the opinions are worthless.


It is not you guys in the front line (apart from a few who are just arseholes anyway) but the REAL problem is - the directions from the hierachy.This I agree with.


spudchucka - if you are really honest would you admit to at times being directed to carry out some activities that you consider unpalatable??No never. I have never been forced to do something that I don't agree with. There are directives from above that I've thought are BS but I just ignore them and do what I think is right. I haven't got in the shit for it yet.

[spudchucka]

I wish they'd just lock all the BRs up and be done with the fuckers
Me too but don't forget that there are probably just as many people who would say the same about bikers????

[spudchucka]

it is easy to see how, without the full picture, the perception of a situation leads to conclusions being drawn.
Thats what the nay sayers continually fail to see. Blind in one eye and can't see out of the other. :eek5:

[spudchucka]

yea I have similar gruge... all they care is about speeding, when I drive all of 25km's home from city to howick and I see 3 red light runners, all of them running reds clearly. after around 1 to 2 seconds after the reds came on.

Its those KPI's I tell you.... (Key Performance Indicators) e.g how many speeders and not red light runners
You are wrong. Traffic cops get allocated duties relating to speed, restraints, general road behaviour, drink driving, intersections etc etc. Not just speed. If a cop had seen the red light runner I assure you they would have been dealt with. BTW how many people complain when cops sit up the road from a stop sign or traffic light controlled intersection, pinging people for failing to stop. Heaps, I've had some say, "why aren't you out there catching the speeders and drink drivers"?

[avgas]

"why aren't you out there catching the speeders and drink drivers"?
:laugh: :laugh:
Thats actually true, so very sad.
Funny thing was i remember them justifying camera towers as : "A means to free up the police force to return to normal duties".
:apint:
but no i didnt work that way did it.
We need some form of vigilante fighting force :sneaky2:

[mikey]

in reference to myself saying

""i want to be a cop""

an spudchuka saying

""dream on""

with the amount of drop kick dumb fucks they let into police school under very minimal bendable requirements -article from feb last year where they let a 17 year old in on a restricted licence, an a few others who didnt meet the requirtements

i think i would do quite fine as a copper, bar any criminal history i have, which next time the police are doing an intake an have a shortage i am sure they will bend that one for me

normal beat cops (NOTE NOT TRAFFIC COPS - HIGH WAY PATROL) are far under paid for what they have to do - deal with mainly the scum or low life of society - i would assume deal mainly with the low life of society as they are the ones commiting crimes not nice people like myself :) , but hey its could be a very rewarding job
cheers to all people who gave me bad rep points for saying i wanted to be a cop once an you will probably do it again after this post. as I am back at number 1 on ""THE LIST"" rightly where i belong, not hte alter ego ""the knight rider"" who surely everybody knows who is, as i know an i am a full newb on this site....

winja .... ""capstard"".... i love it dude.... keep up the humor its appreciated by one... probably even some

hitcher.. yes i can spell, sometimes, an punctuate, how about you give me bad rep points for being lazy, yes i am an asshole at times more bad rep points maybe...

[avgas]

Not sure what your on about this time, but unlike yourself, I don,t hand out bad reps just because I don,t like what people post, must be one of your other kb freinds......
F/F
Apparently honda does, i just became senior to find this.
Oh well, you can lead a horse to water to water - but at the end of the day its still a dumb horse.
PS: Honda i dont give bad reps ever - i actually like your arguments, thats what i debate is for. And as for ignorance....... :2guns:
still i would like to thank the bad rep people that i have met, means at the end of the day you hated my argument, it pissed you off, and you wasted precious time on me :bleh: :laugh:

[inlinefour]

Apparently honda does, i just became senior to find this.
Oh well, you can lead a horse to water to water - but at the end of the day its still a dumb horse.
PS: Honda i dont give bad reps ever - i actually like your arguments, thats what i debate is for. And as for ignorance....... :2guns:
still i would like to thank the bad rep people that i have met, means at the end of the day you hated my argument, it pissed you off, and you wasted precious time on me :bleh: :laugh:

Have not handed out a bad rep point now for a while, not recieved one either.

[justsomeguy]

OK ILL BRING MY RIDE ON MOWER SO YOU CAN KEEP UP

Where were you? You didn't come did you?

So full of :shake: ...........

[Waylander]

dont mind me just tryin to become something other than "moped rider"
but anyway im sure this has been said before but im gonna say it again anywway

cops are just peaple doin a job, some are bad at it, some are good at it and some are just plain dicks. now how is that different from where you work?

[Velox]

OK............. maybe theres a sign there but I can't quite figure it out.
Yeah - perhaps I should stick to bikes! (I don't have a car licence)

Cheers for the reply SpC - good to hear a bit of a balanced view and from the "other side" too.

[WINJA]

Where were you? You didn't come did you?

So full of :shake: ...........
CONSIDERING I SAID I BRING A RIDE ON LAWN MOWER DID YOU REALLY THINK I WAS ? HAVE I EVER BEEN ON A RIDE WITH KB ? NOPE

[spudchucka]

Yeah - perhaps I should stick to bikes! (I don't have a car licence)

Cheers for the reply SpC - good to hear a bit of a balanced view and from the "other side" too.
"The other side"! That sounds so Darth Vaderish.

[marty]

CONSIDERING I SAID I BRING A RIDE ON LAWN MOWER DID YOU REALLY THINK I WAS ? HAVE I EVER BEEN ON A RIDE WITH KB ? NOPE

you are so full of shit. nothing but a gutless troll.

[XTC]

Wow guys..... Why not just go for a ride on the bike and all will be well again.... wish I could.

[Sniper]

:ShovingstickupWINJA'sarseemoticon:

See, now Im stressed, where are my pills

[Mongoose]

in reference to myself saying
with the amount of drop kick dumb fucks they let into police school under very minimal bendable requirements -article from feb last year where they let a 17 year old in on a restricted licence, an a few others who didnt meet the requirtements
..


Is it an actual requirement to join the Police with a full drivers license? I know of people joining with no license, must admit not recently, but it has happened.

"an a few others who didnt meet the requirtements "

Care to tell us what these were?

[WINJA]

you are so full of shit. nothing but a gutless troll.
WHATEVERS HOWS YOUR MUM?

[spudchucka]

Is it an actual requirement to join the Police with a full drivers license? I know of people joining with no license, must admit not recently, but it has happened.

"an a few others who didnt meet the requirtements "

Care to tell us what these were?
It is a requirement to have a full licence however the wing of 17 - 19 year olds was a bit of an experiment and a few were allowed in on restricted licences. They were required to obtain their full licences as soon as possible though as holding a restricted licence would create all sorts of operational problems. Not being able to drive a patrol car on your own after 10:00Pm isn't an ideal situation.

[scumdog]

WHATEVERS HOWS YOUR MUM?

You want to know about a mum? Is it you never had one of your own that you have to borrow somebody elses? :shit:

[justsomeguy]

CONSIDERING I SAID I BRING A RIDE ON LAWN MOWER DID YOU REALLY THINK I WAS ?

Yes I thought you were coming. Didn't think you had learnt to balance on two wheels yet.


HAVE I EVER BEEN ON A RIDE WITH KB ? NOPE

You mean the rest of KB also doesn't like you riding with them?

I feel sorry for you mate, first you must have been abused as a child ( hence your love of others mums) and it's obvious you can't have many friends with your stupid attitude.

Get well soon :disapint:

[**R1**]

you gota admit some mums are dam hotties mmmmmmmm MILFS

[Lou Girardin]

When all these overpaid autocue readers and columnists start taking public swipes at cops, you can safely bet that there's strong public thinking along the same lines.
But, what the hell, cops can't be wrong. It's the ill-informed public's fault.
Anyone recognise a 'them and us' attitude among some of our Police members.

[Clockwork]

BTW how many people complain when cops sit up the road from a stop sign or traffic light controlled intersection, pinging people for failing to stop. Heaps, I've had some say, "why aren't you out there catching the speeders and drink drivers"?

In Upper Hutt there are several compulsory stop intersections on 50kph roads where there is at least 50 meters visability in both directions. My feelings are, if you can see there is nothing comming and no reason to stop, why would you?

Now I know the Police didn't mark up these stupid intersections, but I have to say, I would be pretty pissed off if I got ticketed through one of these intersections when there was no good reason for me to stop!

:argh:

[scumdog]

In Upper Hutt there are several compulsory stop intersections on 50kph roads where there is at least 50 meters visability in both directions. My feelings are, if you can see there is nothing comming and no reason to stop, why would you?

Now I know the Police didn't mark up these stupid intersections, but I have to say, I would be pretty pissed off if I got ticketed through one of these intersections when there was no good reason for me to stop!

:argh:

We could do the same at traffic lights! Oh, that's right, some already do and they crash too! Just like people at stop signs (and give way signs).

Funnily enough none of them ever crash into vehicles they DID see!!
Maybe it's just best to stop eh?
And LOOK too.

[spudchucka]

In Upper Hutt there are several compulsory stop intersections on 50kph roads where there is at least 50 meters visability in both directions. My feelings are, if you can see there is nothing comming and no reason to stop, why would you?

Now I know the Police didn't mark up these stupid intersections, but I have to say, I would be pretty pissed off if I got ticketed through one of these intersections when there was no good reason for me to stop!

:argh:
Stop signs are often installed after a serious or fatal crash or for some other reason the intersection has been identified as particulary risky.

My position on them is that during busy traffic hours you had better stop or at least slow to walking speed before proceeding. Any time other than during peak traffic flows I don't mind people cruising slowly through the intersection. Some people think its OK to just slow down a little, change down a gear as they approach and then floor it through the intersection. These are the ones that get a ticket regardless of the time or traffic conditions.

[Sniper]

WHATEVERS HOWS YOUR MUM?

I dont know Winja, how is YOUR mum, you inbred troll. (Thats what trolls are) Inbreds because they are too but ugly to be let out by themselves. :angry2:

[Clockwork]

We could do the same at traffic lights! Oh, that's right, some already do and they crash too! Just like people at stop signs (and give way signs).

Funnily enough none of them ever crash into vehicles they DID see!!
Maybe it's just best to stop eh?
And LOOK too.

Hmmm... so what you would really being ticketed for then is that the culprit MAY not have looked? :angry: but of course you will never know that until there is an accident. I know I'm being petty here but just because you've stopped doesn't mean you've looked, just because you didn't stop doesn't mean you didn't look!

Anyway, as a rider havn't you ever found yourself waiting for traffic lights to change, but they are not going to because your bike wasn't heavy enough to trigger the sensor...... and thers no other traffic around to do it for you so you just sit there...... and sit there......
what now? :confused2

[Clockwork]

Stop signs are often installed after a serious or fatal crash or for some other reason the intersection has been identified as particulary risky.

Don't get me wrong, I know of several legitimate (IMHO :2thumbsup ) uses for compulsory stops, (buit I'm not sure that a fatal crash site should be a qualification) And where used appropriately, its not a matter of obeying a sign, you simply can't navigate the intersection safely without stopping.

Anyhow, I'm getting :Offtopic: now so I'll shut up, I just wanted to point out why some poeople may get upset about being pinged for driving through a STOP sign.

[madboy]

I've gotta say, my opinion of cops is not helped by the HP. General duties I find I respect more the older (read mature) i get, but HP...

Had one pull me a couple years ago. I was driving with no front bumper (therefore no plate) and happened to have a rego/wof expire a couple weeks before. This being a Thursday night, me working delivering pizzas (before I rejoined the real world) so not like a car was optional, bumper due back from panelbeaters next day, which means i could put the plate back on, see the wof guy in the arvo and register it following that. Now the nice HP guy was fine about that, had a laugh over the story about how my complete lack of common sense landed the bumper at the panelbeaters in the first place, accepted (to my face anyway) that I either lost income or drove the car, and said he'd better not see me after my shift finished a couple of hours later else he'd give me a ticket. Have a nice night, drive safely.

I came away thinking wow - a nice HP. Perhaps all the stories I've heard about them were wrong. Alas, a few days later a ticket turned up in the mail from this lovely officer for no wof/reg. What a lovely person - give me one expectation, then slap me with a ticket through the back door - couldn't even say it to my face. Good man.

So you can now understand why everytime I see the HP car with SLOWDN (or whatever variation it is) as a plate, I drop two gears...

[Lou Girardin]

So you can now understand why everytime I see the HP car with SLOWDN (or whatever variation it is) as a plate, I drop two gears...

An HP car with a personalised plate? Hard to believe.

[Paul in NZ]

I've gotta say, my opinion of cops is not helped by the HP. General duties I find I respect more the older (read mature) i get, but HP...

Had one pull me a couple years ago. I was driving with no front bumper (therefore no plate) and happened to have a rego/wof expire a couple weeks before. This being a Thursday night, me working delivering pizzas (before I rejoined the real world) so not like a car was optional, bumper due back from panelbeaters next day, which means i could put the plate back on, see the wof guy in the arvo and register it following that. Now the nice HP guy was fine about that, had a laugh over the story about how my complete lack of common sense landed the bumper at the panelbeaters in the first place, accepted (to my face anyway) that I either lost income or drove the car, and said he'd better not see me after my shift finished a couple of hours later else he'd give me a ticket. Have a nice night, drive safely.

I came away thinking wow - a nice HP. Perhaps all the stories I've heard about them were wrong. Alas, a few days later a ticket turned up in the mail from this lovely officer for no wof/reg. What a lovely person - give me one expectation, then slap me with a ticket through the back door - couldn't even say it to my face. Good man.

So you can now understand why everytime I see the HP car with SLOWDN (or whatever variation it is) as a plate, I drop two gears...

No, sorry, I don't understand!

You got a ticket because your rego / wof was expired! Thats no justification for being an idiot for the next 30 years. Perhaps the HP didn't have a choice once he got back to base?

I'm sorry but it's not the cops fault you were an idiot and broke your car and were not organised enough to have a back up plan for work! Don't transfer the blame!

I have no idea how many Police there are out there but as in any population there will be a smattering of all personality types. You getting a shitty deal on a ticket does NOT excuse subsequent behaviour for goodness sake!

'Society is to blame eh!'

What a load of bollocks!

Paul N

[marty]

In Upper Hutt there are several compulsory stop intersections on 50kph roads where there is at least 50 meters visability in both directions. My feelings are, if you can see there is nothing comming and no reason to stop, why would you?

Now I know the Police didn't mark up these stupid intersections, but I have to say, I would be pretty pissed off if I got ticketed through one of these intersections when there was no good reason for me to stop!

:argh:


actually, the police didn't make up any of the laws of this country - your elected government(s) did. the police are their agent to enforce those laws, that's all.

[marty]

Don't get me wrong, I know of several legitimate (IMHO :2thumbsup ) uses for compulsory stops, (buit I'm not sure that a fatal crash site should be a qualification) And where used appropriately, its not a matter of obeying a sign, you simply can't navigate the intersection safely without stopping.

Anyhow, I'm getting :Offtopic: now so I'll shut up, I just wanted to point out why some poeople may get upset about being pinged for driving through a STOP sign.

so what you're saying, is that every intersection should be a give way, until there is a fatal crash there, when i would be ugraded to a stop sign.

[marty]

Don't get me wrong, I know of several legitimate (IMHO :2thumbsup ) uses for compulsory stops, (buit I'm not sure that a fatal crash site should be a qualification) And where used appropriately, its not a matter of obeying a sign, you simply can't navigate the intersection safely without stopping.

Anyhow, I'm getting :Offtopic: now so I'll shut up, I just wanted to point out why some poeople may get upset about being pinged for driving through a STOP sign.

so what you're saying, is that every intersection should be a give way, until there is a fatal crash there, when it would be ugraded to a stop sign.

[**R1**]

No, sorry, I don't understand!

You got a ticket because your rego / wof was expired! Thats no justification for being an idiot for the next 30 years. Perhaps the HP didn't have a choice once he got back to base?

I'm sorry but it's not the cops fault you were an idiot and broke your car and were not organised enough to have a back up plan for work! Don't transfer the blame!

I have no idea how many Police there are out there but as in any population there will be a smattering of all personality types. You getting a shitty deal on a ticket does NOT excuse subsequent behaviour for goodness sake!

'Society is to blame eh!'

What a load of bollocks!

Paul N
I agree...in part with what ya saying..yes sure ya break the law then sure take ya medicine.....but this is what this whole tread was about 'public image of the police, now when a copper says he is not going to give ya a ticket then ya going to leave the side of the road with the attitude...'man that was lucky i will have to sort my shit out asap or better slow the fuck dwn ...what eva' but then to recieve a ticket days later.....yeah that would fuck me off big time, and lower the allready crapy image of the coppers that i allready have. it would (to me anyway) be much better to have the copper grow some balls and say 'look mate your a dick sort ya shit out heres ya ticket' end of story, but being two faced about it isnt at all going to win any popularity contests is it????

a few months ago i took the wife for a blast through town...to cut a long dodgy story short we got pulled over(not going to do a runner with anyone on the back) doing 65k in a 50k the chik copper asked me how many demerit points i had.....i told her 90....she said she didnt think what i had just done deserved to loose my licence for, so she said she would think about it and i may or may not get a ticket in a week or so.....now that had me sweating for the nxt month and i can honestly say i didnt break the law in that time, at least she had the balls to tell me that was what she was doing....thus improving my image of the coppers anyway......


well thats my 2cents.... i just reread it and im sure it duzn make sence but its my opinion....

[Paul in NZ]

I agree...in part with what ya saying..yes sure ya break the law then sure take ya medicine.....but this is what this whole tread was about 'public image of the police, now when a copper says he is not going to give ya a ticket then ya going to leave the side of the road with the attitude...'man that was lucky i will have to sort my shit out asap or better slow the fuck dwn ...what eva' but then to recieve a ticket days later.....yeah that would fuck me off big time, and lower the allready crapy image of the coppers that i allready have. it would (to me anyway) be much better to have the copper grow some balls and say 'look mate your a dick sort ya shit out heres ya ticket' end of story, but being two faced about it isnt at all going to win any popularity contests is it????

a few months ago i took the wife for a blast through town...to cut a long dodgy story short we got pulled over(not going to do a runner with anyone on the back) doing 65k in a 50k the chik copper asked me how many demerit points i had.....i told her 90....she said she didnt think what i had just done deserved to loose my licence for, so she said she would think about it and i may or may not get a ticket in a week or so.....now that had me sweating for the nxt month and i can honestly say i didnt break the law in that time, at least she had the balls to tell me that was what she was doing....thus improving my image of the coppers anyway......


well thats my 2cents.... i just reread it and im sure it duzn make sence but its my opinion....

Yeah but we just got one side of the story. The bit he wanted to hear! Now he feels his actions are justified by his treatment by one person. Christ on a crutch if some douche bag in a car cuts you up on the road by accident (or on purpose) that is NOT a valid excuse to kill everyone else is it! "Sorry officer but someone cut me off leaving home this morning and I could not take the risk that was going to happen again so to save time I killed all the neighbours"

Blame transferance. It's not my fault I'm bad, you drove me to it! Pathetic!

Good save with your story though! Jeeze do you feel a dick while the law is giving you the what for on the side of the road and your significant other is standing there arms crossed, eyes boring into you skull turning your brain to ice (and your groin)... Gulp!

[Clockwork]

QUOTE=marty]so what you're saying, is that every intersection should be a give way, until there is a fatal crash there, when i would be ugraded to a stop sign.[/QUOTE]

No... as an aside I said that I don't think that just because a fatal accident has occurred at an intersection that this is justification for requiring a compulsory stop.

I also tried to say that there are legitimate reasons for STOP intersections but that generally where they are required sensible/safe driving/riding would dictate you're going to stop even if the intersection is marked Give Way (we have a few of these in Upper Hutt too.)

Basically I belive that STOP signs should only be used to address visibility issues and not just be STOP (coz we said so!).

[**R1**]

Yeah but we just got one side of the story. The bit he wanted to hear! Now he feels his actions are justified by his treatment by one person. Christ on a crutch if some douche bag in a car cuts you up on the road by accident (or on purpose) that is NOT a valid excuse to kill everyone else is it! "Sorry officer but someone cut me off leaving home this morning and I could not take the risk that was going to happen again so to save time I killed all the neighbours"

Blame transferance. It's not my fault I'm bad, you drove me to it! Pathetic!

Good save with your story though! Jeeze do you feel a dick while the law is giving you the what for on the side of the road and your significant other is standing there arms crossed, eyes boring into you skull turning your brain to ice (and your groin)... Gulp!
I think the loverly officer thought we were cute...its been a while since the wifey has been on one of my bikes and she couldnt get her helmet or gloves off...so heres me trying to blink fast and look all inocent at this chik copper at the same time as trying to help my seeminly(sp) retarded misis, it was probly kinda funny looking. and yeah ya right my much better half was none to amused. no after ride fun :(

[spudchucka]

I just wanted to point out why some poeople may get upset about being pinged for driving through a STOP sign.
Sorry but that just doesn't wash with me. While I'm prepared to cut a little slack around stop signs, (as explained in my earlier post) I can not see that anyone can moan if they receive a ticket for failing to stop at a stop sign. Everyone knows what "stop" means, we all had to study the road code to get our licence so I'm afraid we have no cause to moan if we don't stick to the rules and subsequently get pingged.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, stop signs are there for a reason. Its not hard to stop, it will probably add about another 1.5 seconds to your journey.

[marty]

my feeling is that a stop sign should be treated like a red light, and you wold expect a ticket for running a red light, so expect one for running a stop sign.

[DrDee]

Well from personal experience with my dealings with the police in New Zealand I would have to say they are a lazy bunch of vindictive pricks who forget their job is that of a public servant, (eg: I was arrested in a busy public street, taken to Auck central, strip searched, had jewelry and piercings cut from my body locked in a cell overnight, laughed at because I wasn't allowed to make a toll call from the cells as I was only in Auck visiting, for possession of a pipe. I had to go to court and got fined without conviction for $100. All because I pointed out to a cop that some dude just ran a red light. That is just ONE story I can tell!) but at the end of the day I would help any man (or woman) that was getting beaten no matter what clothes they are wearing.

[sAsLEX]

my feeling is that a stop sign should be treated like a red light, and you wold expect a ticket for running a red light, so expect one for running a stop sign.

bloody auckland drivers, nearly got swiped by some dumb bit** who swung across in front of me on her red arrow about 5 secs after my light went green. If it wasn't so bloody hot I would of chased her and given her a little friendly advice

[scumdog]

Well from personal experience with my dealings with the police in New Zealand I would have to say they are a lazy bunch of vindictive pricks who forget their job is that of a public servant,
That is just ONE story I can tell!) but at the end of the day I would help any man (or woman) that was getting beaten no matter what clothes they are wearing.

Well, from my personal experience with dealing with the public in New Zealand I would |have to say they are a bunch of... Oh, that's right somebody's already said that about the Police!! :whistle:

[Blakamin]

for possession of a pipe.
what sort of pipe???? if it was used for drugs then its your fault... ever heard of laws?.... If some cunt on "P" beat the crap outta your missus, you wouldnt of complained if they'd locked him up for possesion of a "pipe"
do the crime, do the time

[scumdog]

An HP car with a personalised plate? Hard to believe.

We agree on yet another thing Lou, this is getting scary!! :blink:

[riffer]

Regardless of what anyone thinks, stop signs are there for a reason. Its not hard to stop, it will probably add about another 1.5 seconds to your journey.

LOL Spud, you outta try and drive with my boy in the back seat.

"That's a stop sign Dad - now you have to stop. And its one-elephant, two-elephant, three-elephant. You can go now Daddy."


I thought the road code said three seconds...

and so that's what we taught him.

[DrDee]

what sort of pipe???? if it was used for drugs then its your fault... ever heard of laws?.... If some cunt on "P" beat the crap outta your missus, you wouldnt of complained if they'd locked him up for possesion of a "pipe"
do the crime, do the time

Thank you for your kind comment, yes it was a smoking pipe novelty kingring brought for me as a present (unused), and I am sure I was not beating on anyone at the time.....

[Blakamin]

Thank you for your kind comment, yes it was a smoking pipe novelty kingring brought for me as a present (unused), and I am sure I was not beating on anyone at the time.....
so the cops locked you up for having a novelty pipe?????? :whistle:
I've got a heroin addict/dealer for a brother and I think if ya wanna do the crime....
strangely, he even agrees....
such is life...
i didn't say you were beating anyone... but whats to say that you aren't capable.... did the cop know you personally???
in any case, I, personally take a very dim view to drug users that bitch when they get caught.... (dont care what you do at home, but if ya get caught, stiff shit)
just me, nothing personal

[Kickaha]

Interesting to read an account in the Chch press today in the letters to the editor from a eyewitness that differs somewhat slightly from the original report

The main difference was only two drunk people involved and not four and it was over in seconds so there wasn't enough time for anyone else to help and it wasn't needed anyway

[spudchucka]

Well from personal experience with my dealings with the police in New Zealand I would have to say they are a lazy bunch of vindictive pricks who forget their job is that of a public servant,
Oh, so you've met all the good ones then.

What is it with new people on kiwi biker having all the issues with the police? Is someone advertising this as a site for whinging about the cops?

[spudchucka]

LOL Spud, you outta try and drive with my boy in the back seat.

"That's a stop sign Dad - now you have to stop. And its one-elephant, two-elephant, three-elephant. You can go now Daddy."


I thought the road code said three seconds...

and so that's what we taught him.
3 Seconds? Indicating before turning for 3 seconds. I can't recall there being a 3 second rule at stop signs. Once the wheels stop turning you have stopped and thats it as far as I'm concerned. If the road code says different I'll gladly be corrected.

[The Preacher]

My son had his car (parked on the road outside outside our house) broken into one night. Our dog let everyone in the neigbourhood know something was going on.
Rang the local law and within 3 mins had a blu & white plus dog van doing full search.
I was very impressed with their responce time.

[madboy]

Oh Paul, I've got plenty of reasons not to like the Police. I've even got the Police Complaints Authority to agree with me on a few of those occasions. But I'm not trying to have a big bitch at the 5-0 - else this would be an entire 20+ pages of thread dedicated to my own personal stories. And yeah, it is my side of it. On one complaint to the PCA, the three independent witnesses had one story, and the 7 police involved had 6 different stories. Go figure.

Most of them have jobs to do just like you and I. Just that some of them aren't the finest examples of humanity, much like some of us that they come across.

My bitch with that particular HP guy was that he said one thing, then did another. In my job, you get your arse kicked for that sort of behaviour cos it doesn't reflect well on the company, and it shows a complete lack of integrity. You'd think in a job such as the Police where public opinion is very important, they'd think along the same lines.

And scumdog, one of the uniform HP Commo's that's quite often in the Hutt has a personalised plate, variation on SLOWDN or SLODWN or something similar. I try and be mature about it, but it's just red rag to a bull...

[DrDee]

My son had his car (parked on the road outside outside our house) broken into one night. Our dog let everyone in the neigbourhood know something was going on.
Rang the local law and within 3 mins had a blu & white plus dog van doing full search.
I was very impressed with their responce time.

Weird! My mother-in-law has had her car broken into three times in six months out the front of her house in Glen Innes, the police never came for any. The third time she rang the Glen Innes police station after the drivers window was smashed, the dash panels ripped off, the stereo (without its face) stolen and the ignition swich destroyed. The lady police officer she spoke to said they would not send anyone around. My mother-in-law was not happy about that (understandably after the third time!) and asked if they could try and do something about it, she was told to pay to get it salvaged down to the police station, they would have to hold the car for three weeks for forensics and it would still be a waste of time, and was promptly hung up on. In defence of the police my mother-in-law was phoned back a couple of hours later by another policeman who apoligised, but still no cop ever came. Thankfuly her insurance company was kind enough to arrange a salvage truck to come, had the car repaired and back to her within a week.

[madboy]

My son had his car (parked on the road outside outside our house) broken into one night. Our dog let everyone in the neigbourhood know something was going on.
Rang the local law and within 3 mins had a blu & white plus dog van doing full search.
I was very impressed with their responce time.
you see, that's the thing... i've had equally impressive service from them in similar circumstances. And in other circumstances I've had really really good service and I've been really glad they were there.

Just that I've also had the negatives as well to put some balance back into the picture... and sometimes it overbalances...

Look, I agree with anyone that there are a lotta good cops, and they've got a sucky job to do... I think the traffic enforcement is what lets down their public image the most. Usually when they give someone a beating in the cells, that person deserves it. Bust me at twice the speed limit (or more), hey I'll be pissed, but I still deserve it. But busting the average motorist who doesn't drink too much, doesn't even know their car will exceed 120k, doesn't steal and doesn't lie... for doing bugger all over the limit? Not good public relations.

[DrDee]

so the cops locked you up for having a novelty pipe?????? :whistle:
I've got a heroin addict/dealer for a brother and I think if ya wanna do the crime....
strangely, he even agrees....
such is life...
i didn't say you were beating anyone... but whats to say that you aren't capable.... did the cop know you personally???
in any case, I, personally take a very dim view to drug users that bitch when they get caught.... (dont care what you do at home, but if ya get caught, stiff shit)
just me, nothing personal

The bitchy thing is bacause I was only visiting Auckland and had to get back for work, I had to transfer the court case to New Plymouth, the only way to transfer a case is to pleed guilty. My lawyer said if I had stayed in Auckland it would have been thrown out of court because the pipe had never been used. Oh and the prick kept the pipe as well!!

[spudchucka]

Oh and the prick kept the pipe as well!!
Well you did plead guilty to possessing an impliment used to consume illegal drugs; don't you think it would be slighty innapropriate to then give the same item back to you so that you could commit the same offence again?

[inlinefour]

Well you did plead guilty to possessing an impliment used to consume illegal drugs; don't you think it would be slighty innapropriate to then give the same item back to you so that you could commit the same offence again?

Maybe after all that this wee chappy just does not get it. Oh and I doubt if the officer actually kept it. :kick:

[Clockwork]

Sorry but that just doesn't wash with me. While I'm prepared to cut a little slack around stop signs, (as explained in my earlier post) I can not see that anyone can moan if they receive a ticket for failing to stop at a stop sign. Everyone knows what "stop" means, we all had to study the road code to get our licence so I'm afraid we have no cause to moan if we don't stick to the rules and subsequently get pingged.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, stop signs are there for a reason. Its not hard to stop, it will probably add about another 1.5 seconds to your journey.


See.... its this "by the book..... I can't/wont think for myself" approach that pisses people off.

Still, I'm sure you must be right..... you're the Policeman and so I'll never do it again. :argh:

[marty]

The bitchy thing is bacause I was only visiting Auckland and had to get back for work, I had to transfer the court case to New Plymouth, the only way to transfer a case is to pleed guilty. My lawyer said if I had stayed in Auckland it would have been thrown out of court because the pipe had never been used. Oh and the prick kept the pipe as well!!

actually, the MODA states that any paraphenalia etc will be forfieted upon conviction. and you were held in custody overnight for simple possession of a pipe? i guess though if you give your fingerprints/name etc, and have no previous convictions, that you can expect to be held in custody, especially in auckland - they don't have anythign else to do.

you didn't say if it was for class a or b

[Rainbow Wizard]

I would very much like to know whether or not the Police get to keep all the traffic fines they dish out. Where does all that money go? They should be spending it on compulsory driver education, because it's the BAD drivers that are the problem, and sadly in many cases speed is the achilles heal on an already incompetant (to some degree) driver. Speed is the easiest thing to police and gain revenue from and is also universally recognised as the major exacerbating factor to injuries resulting from vehicle accidents. So yes, speed does increase risk but I assert that the main problem on our roads is not speed, but driver incompetance.

I would much rather attend regular compulsory driver education courses than be busted for driving faster than the legal limit because the latter is not inherently unsafe. Some of us are more adept than others but get lumbered with a regime tailored to a more universally lower level of driver skill and attentiveness. I would much rather see those standards lifted across the board; and busting the fast ones amongst us does very little if nothing towards achieveing such an improvement.

More tickets does not mean fewer accidents per se. It may well lower the average open highway speed and that would result in less serious injury, but there are probably as many if not more slow dickheads that cause accidents than there are speedsters. Yes the speedsters will have a much greater impact and medical effect if they are involved in an accident, but those people are not inherently unsafe drivers.

And if the criminal fines regime is not fully funding the police, justice, prison and parole system it bloody well should be. And if the bastards can't pay then put them to work for the public good. Enough already!

[marty]

like the petrol tax funds roads you mean. the only enforcment agency that keeps a portion of their fines are the local body parking tickets etc. fines issued by the police/courts, are deposited into the consolidated fund. the police are issued with a budget each year, they have to deliver all enforcment and investigation out of that budget. i'm pretty sure that last year the total nz police budget is less that the health budget for the Waikato DHB.

how do you think helen and her mates have a $50 billion surplus? decimating the defence force helps i guess....

[scumdog]

Oh, so you've met all the good ones then.

What is it with new people on kiwi biker having all the issues with the police? Is someone advertising this as a site for whinging about the cops?

I've noticed it too SC, those with the least postings/newest joined are the ones most likely to do a bit of :angry2: at the :Police: .

More senior they get the less they do. (well MOST of them anyway).

[inlinefour]

I've noticed it too SC, those with the least postings/newest joined are the ones most likely to do a bit of :angry2: at the :Police: .

More senior they get the less they do. (well MOST of them anyway).

But generally they put their foot in their mouth first :doh:

[scumdog]

But generally they put their foot in their mouth first :doh:

Don't be too hard on yourself dude :blah: :killingme

With a bit of luck they might learn as quick as you did :msn-wink:

[spudchucka]

See.... its this "by the book..... I can't/wont think for myself" approach that pisses people off.

Still, I'm sure you must be right..... you're the Policeman and so I'll never do it again. :argh:
By the book? Piss off and read my previous posts about stop signs.

If you want "by the book" I'll have to ticket everyone that dawdles through a stop sign and that might piss a few people off. Can't please evryone though I guess and why should i care if a few people get annoyed? Fuck em, tehy should stick to the rules.

Thanks you've made me realise the errors of my ways and now I'll be ticketing every evil road criminal that fails to stop at my stop signs! :bash:

[denill]

Fuck em, tehy should stick to the rules.

Thanks you've made me realise the errors of my ways and now I'll be ticketing every evil road criminal that fails to stop at my stop signs! :bash:

Spudchucka, you are either on a power trip, driven by a uniform and shared by quite a few of your colleagues (<U><B>My</B></U> stop signs?) or taking the piss.

Which is it?

I am inclined to think the former.

BillW

[mikey]

a lot of coppers are power driven wanks that cant get by in the real world cause they get bullied or something.... so they go wear a badge an wank on with the law behind them....


spud.... new guys are the only ones who bitch because they arent old fucking retards like you who are SENILE POWER TRIPPERS TRYING TO LIVEIN A WORLD THAT DOESNT EXIST

[Kickaha]

a lot of coppers are power driven wanks that cant get by in the real world cause they get bullied or something.... so they go wear a badge an wank on with the law behind them....


spud.... new guys are the only ones who bitch because they arent old fucking retards like you who are SENILE POWER TRIPPERS TRYING TO LIVEIN A WORLD THAT DOESNT EXIST

I thought you'd got over being a fuckwit,obviously I was mistaken :wavey:

[mikey]

nah some times i get this nasty knawing in my head that just turns me into the total fuck wit an i cant help it

maybe if i dint drink in the sun all day but it is fully amusing

[DrDee]

you didn't say if it was for class a or b

Class b of course! I ain't no idiot!! :doobey:

[scumdog]

a lot of coppers are power driven wanks that cant get by in the real world cause they get bullied or something.... so they go wear a badge an wank on with the law behind them..




Ah well, at least that's one problem not likely to befall YOU eh? :Pokey:

[Velox]

If she has done the crime, which by your own confession she has. Then pay up.
Err sorry officer but that person left their car window open and that laptop and cellphone should not been in the car either. Along with that, when I looked through their CD collection in the glove box, I found the keys to the ignition!
So it not my fault bbbbwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! :confused2
Mate - my point is that it's a bit petty policing that type of 'crime' that had no dangerous aspect to it whatsoever (read my earlier post describing the road - other Wgtnonians would back me up on that). Sure she committed this horrendous crime and paid for it but where's the common sense in policing that type of rubbish?

[inlinefour]

Mate - my point is that it's a bit petty policing that type of 'crime' that had no dangerous aspect to it whatsoever (read my earlier post describing the road - other Wgtnonians would back me up on that). Sure she committed this horrendous crime and paid for it but where's the common sense in policing that type of rubbish?

well at least the last time I looked. It does not make exceptions nor does it get concerned by what "other Wgtnonians would back me up". I am not trying to be rude but accept it and move on, its what most reasonable Kiwis would do :innocent:

[Clockwork]

By the book? Piss off and read my previous posts about stop signs.

If you want "by the book" I'll have to ticket everyone that dawdles through a stop sign and that might piss a few people off. Can't please evryone though I guess and why should i care if a few people get annoyed? Fuck em, tehy should stick to the rules.

Thanks you've made me realise the errors of my ways and now I'll be ticketing every evil road criminal that fails to stop at my stop signs! :bash:

I re-read your previous post and started to regret my "sarcastic" response but then I realised you completely contradicted yourself.


Sorry but that just doesn't wash with me. While I'm prepared to cut a little slack around stop signs, (as explained in my earlier post)

followed immediately by....


I can not see that anyone can moan if they receive a ticket for failing to stop at a stop sign. Everyone knows what "stop" means, we all had to study the road code to get our licence so I'm afraid we have no cause to moan if we don't stick to the rules and subsequently get pingged.


Look, I understand that laws need to be black and white, but life isn't black and white so we have courts to "hopefully" temper the laws around a given offence (else trials would never consider mitigating facts or carry variable sentences). But when it comes to traffic offences, lets face it, there is no such thing as a fair trial for the motorist. So some may expect that since the police have effectivly been made Judge, Jury, and Executioner it becomes their job to see the shades of grey.

ps your last post came across as very "uncontrolled" (I called myself Clockwork because I thought I was easily wound up) :calm:

[Clockwork]

my feeling is that a stop sign should be treated like a red light, and you wold expect a ticket for running a red light, so expect one for running a stop sign.

If all stop signs were used appropriately, I would agree, but my point is that often they are mis-placed (as opposed to misplaced :lol: ) by local authorities. If you then get ticketed for driving "safely" through one you are bound to feel hard done by. :yes:

[denill]

If all stop signs were used appropriately, I would agree, but my point is that often they are mis-placed (as opposed to misplaced :lol: ) by local authorities. If you then get ticketed for driving "safely" through one you are bound to feel hard done by. :yes:
I have to concur with Clockwork.

I have taken a pragmatic approach to stop signs probably all my life. If I arrive at a stop sign and find that I am able to proceed safely - I do so. If I am unable to proceed safely - I stop.

I do that because it seems to make sense and I am pleased to report that so far no one, including the writer has suffered from a consequence. It just so happens that there has been a law set in place that requires one to stop - no matter what.

But like a lot of other (traffic) laws that 'do not make sense', a plethora of enforcement officers are required to enforce them. Oh well it helps reduce the unemployment stats. And employs people who enjoy their job.

[mikey]

I want to be a copper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[White trash]

I want to be a copper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'
You wanna grow a brain.

Comin' for a ride tonight, dickhead? Show us old fellas how to ride?

[mikey]

BIKE STILL IN TSS BUt should be at roqm if anyone wants to take my head off....

you guys stopping in there?

[White trash]

BIKE STILL IN TSS BUt should be at roqm if anyone wants to take my head off....

you guys stopping in there?

Allways. Be there from 8:15is I'd imagine.

[scumdog]

I want to be a copper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Noooo. By NOT being one it saves you from grief as per my last posting on this thread, you would be better off as you are - a source of pestilence to some and source of mirth to others :stupid: .

[spudchucka]

Spudchucka, you are either on a power trip, driven by a uniform and shared by quite a few of your colleagues (<U><B>My</B></U> stop signs?) or taking the piss.

Which is it?

I am inclined to think the former.

BillW
Taking the piss FFS.

[spudchucka]

a lot of coppers are power driven wanks that cant get by in the real world cause they get bullied or something.... so they go wear a badge an wank on with the law behind them....


spud.... new guys are the only ones who bitch because they arent old fucking retards like you who are SENILE POWER TRIPPERS TRYING TO LIVEIN A WORLD THAT DOESNT EXIST
You're upset because you got knocked off the top spot on the bad boys list aren't ya.

[spudchucka]

I re-read your previous post and started to regret my "sarcastic" response but then I realised you completely contradicted yourself.



followed immediately by....
Nope, you still don't get it. What I said was that I give a little discretion at stop signs, thats my choice, however for anyone that gets a ticket for not stopping I'm saying don't whine about it because you know perfectly well what "STOP" means. If you elect to flaut the rule its your choice, if a cop sees you do it he can give you a ticket, or not, thats his choice.




Look, I understand that laws need to be black and white, but life isn't black and white so we have courts to "hopefully" temper the laws around a given offence (else trials would never consider mitigating facts or carry variable sentences). But when it comes to traffic offences, lets face it, there is no such thing as a fair trial for the motorist. So some may expect that since the police have effectivly been made Judge, Jury, and Executioner it becomes their job to see the shades of grey.
Anyone can defend a traffic ticket in Court, its your choice again so use it if you feel so harshly treated.


ps your last post came across as very "uncontrolled" (I called myself Clockwork because I thought I was easily wound up) :calm:
Control is not an issue at this keyboard thanks for asking.

[inlinefour]

THIS THREAD HAS TURNED TO RUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!!
It was suposed to be about the public image, not some nancy boy complaining about the local ploddy giving them a ticket.
Who ever it was that drove through the stop sign, your whining like a child :baby:
You would have known at the time that you was breaking the law, yet you done it anyway. Some people...
:shutup: :shutup: :shutup: :shutup: :shutup: :shutup: :shutup:

[Clockwork]

THIS THREAD HAS TURNED TO RUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!!
It was suposed to be about the public image, not some nancy boy complaining about the local ploddy giving them a ticket.
Who ever it was that drove through the stop sign, your whining like a child :baby:
You would have known at the time that you was breaking the law, yet you done it anyway. Some people...
:shutup: :shutup: :shutup: :shutup: :shutup: :shutup: :shutup:

Honda, if you want to know where the whining is comming from check your own PC. For the record I haven't recieved a ticket for this or any other offence for at least 20 years!!!! I was simply citing an example of why someone may (justifiably IHMO) feel pissed off with Policing. :angry:



Anyone can defend a traffic ticket in Court, its your choice again so use it if you feel so harshly treated.


OK....... I don't believe, for one minute, that taking such an offence to court would get anything more than a stiffer penalty. And I doubt you do too.

Honda is right.....stop signs are not the issue but if the representatives of the Police are unable to see such offences from a common sense point of view rather than a "the laws the law" point of view...... then maybe that is! :disapint:

[inlinefour]

Honda is right.....stop signs are not the issue but if the representatives of the Police are unable to see such offences from a common sense point of view rather than a "the laws the law" point of view...... then maybe that is!

Common sense would state that if you dont want a ticket for running a stop sign or whatever, then don't do it :brick:

[Clockwork]

Common sense would state that if you don't want a ticket for running a stop sign or whatever, then don't do it :brick:

So by this definition anyone who's ever knowingly broken the speed limit either wanted a speeding ticket :gob: or lacked common sense..... Fair enough, I too, occasionally let the ol' common sense halo slip, but then the reputation of my profession isn't adversely affected when I do. :innocent:

[WINJA]

a lot of coppers are power driven wanks that cant get by in the real world cause they get bullied or something.... so they go wear a badge an wank on with the law behind them....


spud.... new guys are the only ones who bitch because they arent old fucking retards like you who are SENILE POWER TRIPPERS TRYING TO LIVEIN A WORLD THAT DOESNT EXIST
THIS IS ALL TRUE , YOUR WISE BEYOND YOUR YEARS.I HEARD FROM A RETIRED COP THAT A LOT OF COPS ARE DAMAGED GOODS WHO ARE HARDLY FIT TO WORK AT MCDONALDS.

[mikey]

haha love it winja... your comments are appreciated dude!!!!

spud.....damm straight im fucked off by being beaten by knightrider might just have to go an troll up some shit.... an for fucks sake people dont give me good rep points arrrggghhhh!!!!!!!!!

[spudchucka]

Honda is right.....stop signs are not the issue but if the representatives of the Police are unable to see such offences from a common sense point of view rather than a "the laws the law" point of view...... then maybe that is! :disapint:
What about the common sense of the person running the stop sign and subsequently getting a ticket. They usually say that they checked both ways and the way was clear so they just carried on driving through, as if it was a Give Way or Free Turn. But guess what?? They didn't see the bloody cop car sitting there waiting to rain down wrath upon the evil doer. So they didn't have a very bloody good look at all did they! Stupid ejits need to check in at common sense school themselves and they might avoid contributing to to old aunty Helen's slush found. Its really very simple, just open your feckin eyes!!!

[spudchucka]

spud.....damm straight im fucked off by being beaten by knightrider might just have to go an troll up some shit.... an for fucks sake people dont give me good rep points arrrggghhhh!!!!!!!!!
Reverse psychology won't work around here, You'll have to earn your good rep.

[ZorsT]

Its really very simple, just open your feckin eyes!!!

gotta agree with that one

[mikey]

I CONDONE ALL BAD REP POINTS BEING SENT MY WAY.....

[inlinefour]

I CONDONE ALL BAD REP POINTS BEING SENT MY WAY.....
just fer that I'll give ya a good un

[Clockwork]

What about the common sense of the person running the stop sign and subsequently getting a ticket. They usually say that they checked both ways and the way was clear so they just carried on driving through, as if it was a Give Way or Free Turn. But guess what?? They didn't see the bloody cop car sitting there waiting to rain down wrath upon the evil doer. So they didn't have a very bloody good look at all did they! Stupid ejits need to check in at common sense school themselves and they might avoid contributing to to old aunty Helen's slush found. Its really very simple, just open your feckin eyes!!!

Fair point..... unless the cops are running a sting on the intersection, or sitting in an unmarked and parked car or following said offender!

Look Spud, (can I call you Spud or would you prefer Mr Chucka? :D ) I'm not saying that everyone who ever got a ticket for failing to stop didn't deserve it, I was simply pointing out one situation where some citizens will feel hard done by for being ticked..... and I guess the more tickets that get issued (as per current policy) the more numerous said citizens will become. The more pissed off or victimised average citizen becomes, the more newsworthy (as in bankable) become stories about police cock-ups. I know you can fill the rest in for yourself. :yes:

:wavey: :wavey:

[spudchucka]

Fair point..... unless the cops are running a sting on the intersection, or sitting in an unmarked and parked car or following said offender!

Look Spud, (can I call you Spud or would you prefer Mr Chucka? :D ) I'm not saying that everyone who ever got a ticket for failing to stop didn't deserve it, I was simply pointing out one situation where some citizens will feel hard done by for being ticked..... and I guess the more tickets that get issued (as per current policy) the more numerous said citizens will become. The more pissed off or victimised average citizen becomes, the more newsworthy (as in bankable) become stories about police cock-ups. I know you can fill the rest in for yourself. :yes:

:wavey: :wavey:
Regardless of what any citizen believes to be right or wrong the road rules are just that, the rules. If you don't think that a particular intersection justifies having a stop sign controlling it and you ignore what you know to be the rules and drive through without stopping then you are knowingly putting yourself in a position where you may receive a ticket.

Same as when you speed, overtake on yellow lines, run a red light - whatever. You choose to break the rules. It is completely innapropriate for people to decide when and where the rules will apply to them. If everyone did that there would be no order on the roads and it would be survival of the biggest.

I'm all for the use of police discretion and consider myself to be fairly liberal in its application, however if you want fairness then the only truely fair method would be to take a black & white approach, ticketing whenever an offence is disclosed. Then surely people wont get pissed off because they know without a shadow of a doubt what the outcome will be should they get nabbed flauting the rules.

People who think they are being victimised by receiving a traffic ticket need to wake up and start taking some responsibility for their own actions. These are the same people who always have someone else to blame when something goes wrong in their lives. They need to take a long walk out to the Hard Creek and have a very long drink.

[mikey]

FUCK THE 5 o's
an by 5 o's i mean the
0 0 0 0 0 on the end of the fine that some nasty 5 0er wants to give me

not the good respetcable policer force that everyone loves to embrace and send positives vibes to like spud here

spread the love spud

i got me a spud gun an i spreading it all around eastbourne


rrrraaarrrr

[Coyote]

i got me a spud gun an i spreading it all around eastbourne


rrrraaarrrr
http://www.xinventions.com/main/spud/images/pac6_grass2.jpg
Now THATS, a spud gun!
http://www.xinventions.com/main/spud/images/pac6_grass3.jpg
Semi Auto Air Cannon. Capable of shooting 1 1/4" rubber balls or pre-cut spuds 300 yards.

More Cannon designs can be found here:
http://www.xinventions.com/home.htm

[wkid_one]

PVC Tube, HairSpray and Piezo Ignition from a BBQ do the trick just fine - get about 200-300m from one. I can get pretty close to the River Road from the Stop Bank in Upper Hutt over the River

[Coyote]

PVC Tube, HairSpray and Piezo Ignition from a BBQ do the trick just fine - get about 200-300m from one. I can get pretty close to the River Road from the Stop Bank in Upper Hutt over the River
The awesome thing about the P.A.C.6 is that it's semi auto

http://www.xinventions.com/main/images/pac5_stand_smallish.jpg
They managed to shoot a specially made PVC dart 1276m with this

[Jackrat]

http://www.xinventions.com/main/spud/images/pac6_grass2.jpg
Now THATS, a spud gun!
http://www.xinventions.com/main/spud/images/pac6_grass3.jpg
Semi Auto Air Cannon. Capable of shooting 1 1/4" rubber balls or pre-cut spuds 300 yards.

More Cannon designs can be found here:
http://www.xinventions.com/home.htm

Wow,thanks for that,
I'm off to the shed,see ya in about two days :devil2:

[Jantar]

Regardless of what any citizen believes to be right or wrong the road rules are just that, the rules.

Fair comment, Spud, but at the same time we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that rules are made for a reason. Unfortunately there are many examples of the original reason being superceded, but the rules remain simply as a revenue gathering device. I am a great believer of the concept of laws including the reason, then when the reason no longer exists, the person who breaks the law has an automatic defence.

[/QUOTE]
If you don't think that a particular intersection justifies having a stop sign controlling it and you ignore what you know to be the rules and drive through without stopping then you are knowingly putting yourself in a position where you may receive a ticket. [/QUOTE]

This is one of those circumstances where breaking the rule is likely to have a far greater consequence than a simple fine. If I am riding my bike along a straight road then I want to be confident that the idiot approaching on a side road is going to stop at that stop sign. I have no sympathy for anyone being ticketed for failing to stop at a stop sign. That is a potentially dangerous intersection, otherwise it would have a giveway sign.

[/QUOTE] Same as when you speed, overtake on yellow lines, run a red light - whatever. You choose to break the rules. It is completely innapropriate for people to decide when and where the rules will apply to them. If everyone did that there would be no order on the roads and it would be survival of the biggest..... [/QUOTE]

I disagree with you here spud. Speed is relative to such things as driver or rider ability and experience, vehicle type and condition, road conditions and traffic conditions. Unfortunately we hav a single blanket rule which doesn't take these factors into consideration. There are many roads in this area where I wouldn't consider travelling as fast as 100 kph in my SUV, yet I wouldn't hesitate to do 115 kph on my RE5, or 120 kph on my GS.

Overtaking on yellow lines is a definite NO. they are there to indicate that visibilty may not be as good as it appears.

Run a red light? I wouldn't normally, but I have doe so on a few occassions. You try sitting a t a red light in the middle of Taupo at 02:00, no traffic in sight, and after 12 minutes it still hasn't turned green. Yes, there are times when the reason for that red light just do not exist. :whistle:

[spudchucka]

http://www.xinventions.com/main/spud/images/pac6_grass2.jpg
Now THATS, a spud gun!
http://www.xinventions.com/main/spud/images/pac6_grass3.jpg
Semi Auto Air Cannon. Capable of shooting 1 1/4" rubber balls or pre-cut spuds 300 yards.

More Cannon designs can be found here:
http://www.xinventions.com/home.htm
Thats quite impressive but I never truly enjoyed compressed air cannons as much as a hair spray combustion type cannon. The boom and the blue muzzle flash were a lot more satisfying than the wet fart sound you get from an air gun.

But thanks for sharing all the same.

[Clockwork]

This is one of those circumstances where breaking the rule is likely to have a far greater consequence than a simple fine. If I am riding my bike along a straight road then I want to be confident that the idiot approaching on a side road is going to stop at that stop sign. I have no sympathy for anyone being ticketed for failing to stop at a stop sign. That is a potentially dangerous intersection, otherwise it would have a giveway sign.


How or why would this situation be any different if the intersection was controlled by a Give Way sign..... or no sign at all? :unsure: If the other vehicle needs to give way then he must give way regardless of how the intersection is marked. I can't honestly say that when I am approaching an intersection where I have priority, that I am genarally aware of the constraints placed on the other traffic. I treat all intersecting traffic with the same suspicion. :sly:

This thread keeps trying to become about stop signs. Let me make this clear one last time. IMHO at an appropriately marked compulsory stop intersection right-of-way traffic approaching (ie Jantar in the example quoted above) would have no idea that anyone was intersecting until it was too late to stop because of the poor visibility offered by the intersection:shit:.

Jantar, if you can see them and presumably they can or should see you and they could pull out safely if the intersection was marked Give Way....... what's the problem? :cool:



:Offtopic:
Jantar, I used to own an RE5........ way way back!
:Offtopic:

[Clockwork]

Regardless of what any citizen believes to be right or wrong the road rules are just that, the rules. If you don't think that a particular intersection justifies having a stop sign controlling it and you ignore what you know to be the rules and drive through without stopping then you are knowingly putting yourself in a position where you may receive a ticket.

Same as when you speed, overtake on yellow lines, run a red light - whatever. You choose to break the rules. It is completely innapropriate for people to decide when and where the rules will apply to them. If everyone did that there would be no order on the roads and it would be survival of the biggest.

I'm all for the use of police discretion and consider myself to be fairly liberal in its application, however if you want fairness then the only truely fair method would be to take a black & white approach, ticketing whenever an offence is disclosed. Then surely people wont get pissed off because they know without a shadow of a doubt what the outcome will be should they get nabbed flauting the rules.

People who think they are being victimised by receiving a traffic ticket need to wake up and start taking some responsibility for their own actions. These are the same people who always have someone else to blame when something goes wrong in their lives. They need to take a long walk out to the Hard Creek and have a very long drink.

I guess we are starting to go in circles here. Your post implies that you belive that every ticket that's ever been issued by a Cop was thoroughly deserved by its recipient. But you also consider yourself a liberal applicant of the use of discretion :niceone: so presumably you feel that in some circumstances ticketing is not appropriate. (Hey, so do I! :laugh: ) Now, if you're a liberal applicant then this implies that some of your colleagues are less forgiving and maybe this is where the public perception issue arises. Particularly in an environment where the Police Management are proudly boasting their ever increasing ticketing expectations. Like I said before, the more citizens who get ticketed in a way that they perceive to be unfair or unreasonable :crybaby: the bigger the issue will become.

Yes, in a fair world maybe the Police should ticket everyone and let the courts sort it out but I've already had my say on that. (This subject may make an interesting poll if I can get around to figuring out how to set on up) :mellow:

[spudchucka]

Like I said before, the more citizens who get ticketed in a way that they perceive to be unfair or unreasonable :crybaby: the bigger the issue will become.
What I often see however is that many people who receive traffic tickets perceive it to be unfair or unreasonable despite acknowledging they have done wrong. It seems that whenever a person is "punished" for a minor wrongdoing they suddenly develop very strong opinions about what police should be doing with their time. It appears that people are quite willing to label themselves as victims of the state when they receive traffic tickets when they should be taking responsibility for their own actions.

While I agree that the balance between traffic and general policing is too far in favour of traffic, I have no problem with the current level of traffic enforcement or the policies involved. What I would like to see is the balance leveled off by increasing the resources for general policing.

If people want to judge the police solely on the traffic side of police work then public dissaproval will be something that the police will have to live with. The road policing branch is the most visible branch of the police. They are on the road during peak traffic times and are noticed by more members of the public than the general duties branch who are often either knee deep in paper work or stuck in Otara or a similar suburb refereeing domestics.

The public perception is that the cops are out gathering revenue 24 / 7 yet you can't get a cop to take your burglary complaint. For many people this is likely the case but don't blame the traffic cops who are simply just doing the task allocated to them. If you want to blame anyone get stuck into the police hierachy and the Govt as they are the folks that determine how the police are resourced and from a general policing point of view the problem stems from a lack of resources.

[Clockwork]

When anyone gets in the firing line, its human nature to look for a scapegoat :shifty: , not nice but there it is! Average Joe citizen is bound to feel his misdemeanor is petty when compared to the other sorts of issues that the Police deal with so I guess that is generally going to be their first line of defense. (that aside, from your earlier admission do we now agree that some offences can be overlooked? :yes: ).

Perhaps the biggest problem was the Government merging of MOT with the Police and then making road policing a high profile activity. :Oi:

As far as resourcing is concerned, I guess everyone feels they could use more resources to do what's important to them. My feelings are that where resources are finite then your next recourse is allocation and that is probably a big cause of friction between the Police and the public! And yes I know that this imbalance is largely driven by the Government but maybe many others don't. Its an annoying fact BUT, catching criminals costs the Government money; catching motorists makes the Government money. Its bound to make you suspicious of their priorities. :(

[DrDee]

Some good examples of police common sense from recent times:

1. Ticketing some 17 year old kid for driving while disq, no helmet, no rego, no wof for riding down the footpath on a childs electric scooter (confiscation of the scooter as well). Stangely if he was under 14 it isnt a crime.
2. Sending a taxi to a woman in distress and not following up, I mean come on!!
3. Shooting some guy 6 times, including twice in the back after he allready had sustained mortal wounds for breaking windows, can anyone say 'itchy trigger finger". Note a week later a lone policeman singlehandedly tackled a gunman who had just shot someone in Eltham from memory. Because all policeman know that a golfclub is far more dealy than a gun!! Also at the same time a US policeman shoots a gunman in the knee from 200+ yards on the whitehouse lawn after he discharged a weapon at the whitehouse. There is so much more to this story than the police are evr going to tell.
4. Spending $180million a year (plus court costs and time) prosecuting people for possesing minor amounts of class B drugs for personal use and NOT TARGETING THE DEALERS! Duh!! This should be an instant fined offence like speeding.... unless you are a DEALER!
5. Saying there is not enough police to combat serious crimes (car theft, burglary violent acts to name a few) as they dish out a record number of minor traffic offences! Hmmmm..... priorities??

[Kickaha]

Some good examples of police common sense from recent times:




So what you are trying to say is that for the same time period you can't find anything positive they have done? :doh: yeah right!

[Mongoose]

So what you are trying to say is that for the same time period you can't find anything positive they have done? :doh: yeah right!

Take your pick, that was either a show of imagination skills, or half truths :msn-wink:

[Jantar]

How or why would this situation be any different if the intersection was controlled by a Give Way sign..... or no sign at all?

If you re-read what I wrote, you'll not that I comment that STOP signs are generally placed at dangerous intersections, ie ones where you can't see that other vehicle approaching from the side. Intersections with reasonable visibility usually have Give way signs.

I must fully agre with you though, that its best to treat all intersections as potentially dangerous, and all cage drivers as utter idiots.

:niceone:

[spudchucka]

Average Joe citizen is bound to feel his misdemeanor is petty when compared to the other sorts of issues that the Police deal with so I guess that is generally going to be their first line of defense. (that aside, from your earlier admission do we now agree that some offences can be overlooked? :yes: ). All average Joe has to do to avoid the police attention is stick to the rules. Its that simple.

I agree that minor offences can be overlooked or dealt with by way of a warning, thats what police discretion is for and I totally support a common sense but reasonably liberal application of that discretion.


Perhaps the biggest problem was the Government merging of MOT with the Police and then making road policing a high profile activity. :Oi: Thats a definiate possibility but people love to moan about something and if the branches were separated they would probably just moan equally about MOT and police.


As far as resourcing is concerned, I guess everyone feels they could use more resources to do what's important to them. My feelings are that where resources are finite then your next recourse is allocation and that is probably a big cause of friction between the Police and the public!I agree that reallocation is an option but it just won't happen anytime soon. So the only other thing to do is lobby for my GDB cops on the street, something that the police association is active in.

http://www.policeassn.org.nz/

Have a look at the latest media releases. Also have a read of the most recent couple of association news editions, there have been some interesting items on this topic recently.


ts an annoying fact BUT, catching criminals costs the Government money; catching motorists makes the Government money. Its bound to make you suspicious of their priorities. :(Preventing fatal and serious injury crashes saves the country billions, money that can be spent on other health services, education, better roading etc etc. There are always more sides to a story than the one you might think is the most obvious.

[spudchucka]

Some good examples of police common sense from recent times:

1. Ticketing some 17 year old kid for driving while disq, no helmet, no rego, no wof for riding down the footpath on a childs electric scooter (confiscation of the scooter as well). Stangely if he was under 14 it isnt a crime.
2. Sending a taxi to a woman in distress and not following up, I mean come on!!
3. Shooting some guy 6 times, including twice in the back after he allready had sustained mortal wounds for breaking windows, can anyone say 'itchy trigger finger". Note a week later a lone policeman singlehandedly tackled a gunman who had just shot someone in Eltham from memory. Because all policeman know that a golfclub is far more dealy than a gun!! Also at the same time a US policeman shoots a gunman in the knee from 200+ yards on the whitehouse lawn after he discharged a weapon at the whitehouse. There is so much more to this story than the police are evr going to tell.
4. Spending $180million a year (plus court costs and time) prosecuting people for possesing minor amounts of class B drugs for personal use and NOT TARGETING THE DEALERS! Duh!! This should be an instant fined offence like speeding.... unless you are a DEALER!
5. Saying there is not enough police to combat serious crimes (car theft, burglary violent acts to name a few) as they dish out a record number of minor traffic offences! Hmmmm..... priorities??
1: Who cares - one less half wit on the road, or footpath for that matter.

2: Go back and read the threads on that one, theres no point in digging it up again.

3: 6 shots, two in the back?? Have a read of the report attached below. Educate yourself, gain an actuall understanding of some of the facts of the case and then form an opinion.

Also, go join a gun club, get a high powered rifle with a scope, have a go at aiming at an object the size of a knee cap (from 200 yards) and see how long it takes you to hit the object. Once you have done that see if you can get a hold of a 9mm semi auto pistol and do the same thing from 200 yards. We'll see you back here in about 15 years, by which time you should have thrown enough ammo in the general direction that you have had a reasonable statistical chance of actually hitting something.

4: Stop smoking so much of it yourself, things will become a lot clearer over time.

5: Perhaps when Joe public wises up to the fact that they will cop a fine when they flaut the road rules and they start to drive properly, then we will see a more balanced police service. As long as the great unwashed keep supplying opportunities to write tickets there will be cops there with the ticket book at the ready.

[justsomeguy]

"Also at the same time a US policeman shoots a gunman in the knee from 200+ yards on the whitehouse lawn after he discharged a weapon at the whitehouse. There is so much more to this story than the police are evr going to tell."

That sounds like a complete fluke or the fella is a retired/reassigned sniper......Impresive none the less.....

http://science.howstuffworks.com/sniper.htm

How much range time/ testing/whateveritiscalled do you guys have to pass before you are allowed to use a firearm?

[spudchucka]

How much range time/ testing/whateveritiscalled do you guys have to pass before you are allowed to use a firearm?
A weeks training at the police college, then annual re-certification by way of a qualification shoot. Also get a lot of training days that cover shoot - don't shoot scenarios.

[mikey]

when you shoot some (don Brash voice ""not the MMMAAAAAARRRRRIIIIISSSSS"") mari guy in waitara who is causing trouble instead of waiting for a dog squad that is on the way.... can i tell the newsd it was constable spud? an that can be your code name cause u will have name supppression until some cool cunt leaks it on air... even though its not supressed in america?

[spudchucka]

when you shoot some (don Brash voice ""not the MMMAAAAAARRRRRIIIIISSSSS"") mari guy in waitara who is causing trouble instead of waiting for a dog squad that is on the way.... can i tell the newsd it was constable spud? an that can be your code name cause u will have name supppression until some cool cunt leaks it on air... even though its not supressed in america?
Tell them whatever you want Obi Wan.

[justsomeguy]

A weeks training at the police college, then annual re-certification by way of a qualification shoot. Also get a lot of training days that cover shoot - don't shoot scenarios.

A weeks training? No wonder you guys don't get to carry guns (which is a good thing).......

I'm guessing the fellas in the armed offenders squad get a bit more than a week to figure out which end points where......:shit:

[Clockwork]

Thats a definiate possibility but people love to moan about something and if the branches were separated they would probably just moan equally about MOT and police.
Nah...... most of us would never have any contact with the Police and it would be a lot harder to bitch about your priorites. (MOT never were too popular though.)


Preventing fatal and serious injury crashes saves the country billions, money that can be spent on other health services, education, better roading etc etc. There are always more sides to a story than the one you might think is the most obvious.

Here I go :Offtopic: again but......
I have real difficulty with the bean-counters figures reguarding the "costs" of road accidents. Are they assuming that if all accidents stopped tomorrow that we could then make large numbers of emrgency service staff & facilites redundant?. Or do we just lose all those support workers and road repairers and ACC employees.... but then these peoples redundancy would become a drain on the economy! :doh:

Society needs jobs. Maybe society needs accidents..... just not too many.

In anycase I can't accept that the actual costs come anywhere close to the figures that get published. (I sometimes wonder if the people who come up with these figures couldn't be beter employed also)

[DrDee]

Preventing fatal and serious injury crashes saves the country billions, money that can be spent on other health services, education, better roading etc etc. There are always more sides to a story than the one you might think is the most obvious.

Yet with all the new money-making.... ahhh..... road-safe policies like ticket quotas and speed cameras, I have noticed that drastic shift downwards in serious accidents and death.... NOT!!

[Mongoose]

Yet with all the new money-making.... ahhh..... road-safe policies like ticket quotas and speed cameras, I have noticed that drastic shift downwards in serious accidents and death.... NOT!!

And if road safety measures were not taken, what would those tallies be? For every safe driver/rider there is more dickheads who do not want to recognise their lack of ability and who would sooner volunteer extra taxes to the Gov. :ar15:

[DrDee]

A weeks training at the police college, then annual re-certification by way of a qualification shoot. Also get a lot of training days that cover shoot - don't shoot scenarios.

So you are saying the average New Zealand farmer and even I have had more firearms experience than most police....SCARY!

[Mongoose]

So you are saying the average New Zealand farmer and even I have had more firearms experience than most police....SCARY!


Who takes you for the "shoot/dont shoot" training and where do you do this?

[DrDee]

And if road safety measures were not taken, what would those tallies be? For every safe driver/rider there is more dickheads who do not want to recognise their lack of ability and who would sooner volunteer extra taxes to the Gov. :ar15:

My point is the road tolls have not changed since before these policies were implemented, in fact last year we had the highest death toll since the early/mid eighties where it peaked, if I recall correctly. Will adding more cameras help? Revenue maybe. Will more quotas help? I think not, it will just mean there are less resources to stop actual criminals. Although the cash injections will make the books look good, I would still rather see violent crime and theft given a much higher priority (what are we at 7 murders allready this year? There is just no 'fear' factor to stop criminals).

[Mongoose]

My point is the road tolls have not changed since before these policies were implemented, in fact last year we had the highest death toll since the early/mid eighties where it peaked, if I recall correctly. Will adding more cameras help? Revenue maybe. Will more quotas help? I think not, it will just mean there are less resources to stop actual criminals. Although the cash injections will make the books look good, I would still rather see violent crime and theft given a much higher priority (what are we at 7 murders allready this year? There is just no 'fear' factor to stop criminals).

Compare apples with apples though, what was the NZ population in the 80's, what is it now? What is the distance covered by vehicle now compared to then? Would the roads be any or more safe with out these "revenue gathering" tools?

[spudchucka]

A weeks training? No wonder you guys don't get to carry guns (which is a good thing).......

I'm guessing the fellas in the armed offenders squad get a bit more than a week to figure out which end points where......:shit:
A week doesn't sound like much but I've not come across anyone that I would consider to be incompetent with a firearm yet.

The AOS guys get heaps more training.

[spudchucka]

My point is the road tolls have not changed since before these policies were implemented, in fact last year we had the highest death toll since the early/mid eighties where it peaked, if I recall correctly.
You don't recall correctly at all, you should check your facts before spouting off.

Last year the toll was 435, down from 461 in 2003 but sadly up from the all time low in 2002 of 404. In 1990 the road toll was over 700 and it has been declining steadily up until the sharp increase in 2003, thankfully the downwards trend is again evident.

See the attachments below and educate yourself.

[spudchucka]

Who takes you for the "shoot/dont shoot" training and where do you do this?
There are specialist defensive tactics and arms trainers that facilitate the training. It is usually done on the firing range, scenarios are set up in old buildings, public place environments etc.

[Sniper]

The AOS guys get heaps more training.

Thats because its part of their job and life. JSG, I would just check your facts before allegations. Within a weeks training alot of cops can shoot bloody well, I have been there, seen it and done it, and Ive done training with training AOS.

Hectic

[Mongoose]

There are specialist defensive tactics and arms trainers that facilitate the training. It is usually done on the firing range, scenarios are set up in old buildings, public place environments etc.

Fair enough, but who trains/ed DrDee? :ar15:

[marty]

i doubt if dr dee could hit a knee cap in a snap shoot with a glock at twenty yards, let alone 200. or any of us actually. a 3" target @ 200yds requires a scope and sniper- like patience. don't bullshit me with 'i can hit a possum with my .22 @ 200 yds in the dark' either. i've shot enough high and low powered firearms under stress laden situations to know just how hard it is.

[marty]

not hard - impossible

[Sniper]

not hard - impossible

Depends, I have shot with some of the best. And I mean best.
I had the under 16 Long range trophy for Marlborough in 2000 and in the Army I have done a bit of training with "The Boys"

Those guys go through THOUSANDS of rounds a session with pistols, rifles, you name it. I have seen this one guy score a 45/48 at 65yards with a SIGP226 after someone told him he would never do it.

Its all in the training and skill. Nothings impossible, just improbable.

[gav]

Guy at work today was telling us his son got home from work on Friday and there is a booze bus parked outside his place. He goes to pull into his driveway and is stopped, "sorry sir, you need to take a breath test"
"But I just live here" "sorry, you'll need to take the test" He blows in the bag, no problems. He then realises he has no beer, and decides to go to bottle store, backs out his driveway, is stopped "sorry sir, you'll need a breath test"
"But i just did one" " Sorry you'll need to do another" mutter mutter, blows in bag, no problem. "Look, I'm just going to bottle store, I'll be back in 15 minutes, suppose I'll need to do another test?" " Quite possibly, sir"
He goes off, gets his beer and comes back. "Sorry, you'll need to blow in the bag" Hes getting a bit pissed off by now. Another officer comes over and says "Look, tell ya what, I'll give you the secret password, go down to the cue and tell them the password.....Coconut" Cool, he thinks, goes down to the cue, looks up and sees the biggest Maori police officer hes ever seen!
"ummm, just gimme the bag, please!!"
True story!! The other cops were just about pissing themselves!
Fucken classic :laugh:

[NC]

I like the police...

Sure I have had heaps of run in's with them when I was younger and such, but they are just doing their jobs. Yes I have to admit that there are some police out there that are cunts. We had one in Howick that we called "The Gingah mingah" cause he used to follow us around, and pull us over and hassle us. Never hated him for it, just thought he was a cunt for doing it.

If I ever saw a policeofficer in trouble I would not stop for a minute to think about it, I'd rush over to help him or her. They are humanbeings too and have ever right to live.

So fuck you Lou, and fuck you WINJA time to grow up boys. Stop carring around those "man berries" and grow some balls, cause you bloody well need them.

[WINJA]

I like the police...

Sure I have had heaps of run in's with them when I was younger and such, but they are just doing their jobs. Yes I have to admit that there are some police out there that are cunts. We had one in Howick that we called "The Gingah mingah" cause he used to follow us around, and pull us over and hassle us. Never hated him for it, just thought he was a cunt for doing it.

If I ever saw a policeofficer in trouble I would not stop for a minute to think about it, I'd rush over to help him or her. They are humanbeings too and have ever right to live.

So fuck you Lou, and fuck you WINJA time to grow up boys. Stop carring around those "man berries" and grow some balls, cause you bloody well need them.
FUCK WHO? ARE YOU OFFERING? SUCH BAD LANGUAGE, I SHOULD CALL YOU "NC30SLAPPER" . IF THAT WAS YOU IN THE PIC I ONLY HOPE YOU CAN COOK

[Mongoose]

FUCK WHO? ARE YOU OFFERING? SUCH BAD LANGUAGE, I SHOULD CALL YOU "NC30SLAPPER" . IF THAT WAS YOU IN THE PIC I ONLY HOPE YOU CAN COOK

Wow, what a come back, did it take long to think out? :banana: :thud: :ar15:

[Joni]

FUCK WHO? ARE YOU OFFERING? SUCH BAD LANGUAGE, I SHOULD CALL YOU "NC30SLAPPER" . IF THAT WAS YOU IN THE PIC I ONLY HOPE YOU CAN COOK

Winja Winja Winja...
We have already discussed your use of the old out dated sexist angle... are you gonna come up with something more interesting? The persona you showing is getting boring, and seeing you seem to think you are such a multi facited individual maybe you could surprise us all and come up with something original?

Just a thought...

:2thumbsup

[spudchucka]

Guy at work today was telling us his son got home from work on Friday and there is a booze bus parked outside his place. He goes to pull into his driveway and is stopped, "sorry sir, you need to take a breath test"
"But I just live here" "sorry, you'll need to take the test" He blows in the bag, no problems. He then realises he has no beer, and decides to go to bottle store, backs out his driveway, is stopped "sorry sir, you'll need a breath test"
"But i just did one" " Sorry you'll need to do another" mutter mutter, blows in bag, no problem. "Look, I'm just going to bottle store, I'll be back in 15 minutes, suppose I'll need to do another test?" " Quite possibly, sir"
He goes off, gets his beer and comes back. "Sorry, you'll need to blow in the bag" Hes getting a bit pissed off by now. Another officer comes over and says "Look, tell ya what, I'll give you the secret password, go down to the cue and tell them the password.....Coconut" Cool, he thinks, goes down to the cue, looks up and sees the biggest Maori police officer hes ever seen!
"ummm, just gimme the bag, please!!"
True story!! The other cops were just about pissing themselves!
Fucken classic :laugh:
Classic, thanks for sharing.

[spudchucka]

Wow, what a come back, did it take long to think out? :banana: :thud: :ar15:
Thinking isn't possible for WINJA, he donated his brain in another thread.

[Mongoose]

Thinking isn't possible for WINJA, he donated his brain in another thread.

Lucky them, with a brain he could be dangerous :banana: :shake:

[gav]

Lucky them, with a brain he could be dangerous :banana: :shake:
Hey, we already got one dangerous here !

[Mongoose]

Hey, we already got one dangerous here !

My apologies to the real Mr Dangerous. :doh: Me :bash:

[avgas]

Yes I have to admit that there are some police out there that are cunts.
Actually its all in the ratios, there are some people out there that are cunts :banana:

[marty]

Its all in the training and skill. Nothings impossible, just improbable.

yes - improbable is a better word.

and go NC30!!!!!!!!

[mikey]

fuck winja has a awesome sense of humor eh guys.....

[White trash]

fuck winja has a awesome sense of humor eh guys.....

Keep going sonny, you'll get to one hundred in no time.....

[mikey]

i had this awesome idea

spud could like get a job as police spokes public relations guy
he does alright with his interpretation of the law

93...

an wt you unoriginal dick getting a bike someone else had that works in same shop....

LAME DUDE!!!!

i followed your associate (hayden?) jim (pom) an dean an vicky around waiarapa an like even with full throttle an choke hayden? was still pulling wheelies passed me every intersection they stopped an waited for me at... which i must say was quite nice of them otherwise i would probably still be in wairarapa some where, tad disorientated

[NC]

FUCK WHO? ARE YOU OFFERING? SUCH BAD LANGUAGE, I SHOULD CALL YOU "NC30SLAPPER" . IF THAT WAS YOU IN THE PIC I ONLY HOPE YOU CAN COOK
I could never get THAT drunk :sick:

[White trash]

I could never get THAT drunk :sick:

What? To cook?!

[NC]

What? To cook?!
Don't drink and fry :yeah:

[White trash]

an wt you unoriginal dick getting a bike someone else had that works in same shop....

LAME DUDE!!!!


Listen to me you little cock sucker. Now that your bike's going, Im happy to remove three plug leads from mine and give you the lesson 1500 other KBers have been dying to for a month.

Keen?

[White trash]

Don't drink and fry :yeah:

Thanks for the orange. Good trade.

[NC]

Thanks for the orange. Good trade.
Was it ripe? If not, sleep in the bathroom:msn-wink:

[NC]

i had this awesome idea

spud could like get a job as police spokes public relations guy
he does alright with his interpretation of the law

93...

an wt you unoriginal dick getting a bike someone else had that works in same shop....

LAME DUDE!!!!

i followed your associate (hayden?) jim (pom) an dean an vicky around waiarapa an like even with full throttle an choke hayden? was still pulling wheelies passed me every intersection they stopped an waited for me at... which i must say was quite nice of them otherwise i would probably still be in wairarapa some where, tad disorientated

Ah fuck it...

I wanna see how hard I can punch you...

[StoneChucker]

Listen to me you little cock sucker. Now that your bike's going, Im happy to remove three plug leads from mine and give you the lesson 1500 other KBers have been dying to for a month.

Keen?

Mikey, you are the king shit stirrer :lol: At least you come out on rides with us, so we see you're semi-"normal" hahaha

I don't know if WT's post above is funny for the content, or because I can imagine him sitting at the pc getting all worked up :bash: :lol:
I do think, if the run was downhill, WT could probably remove 4 plug leads, and still :first:

[White trash]

I don't know if WT's post above is funny for the content, or because I can imagine him sitting at the pc getting all worked up :bash: :lol:
I do think, if the run was downhill, WT could probably remove 4 plug leads, and still :first:

Ahhhh Mikey knows it's all about the love.

Better stop texting me when I'm getting busy with the ladies though! I know where you live, MATE!

[NC]

Mikey, you are the king shit stirrer :lol: At least you come out on rides with us, so we see you're semi-"normal" hahaha

I don't know if WT's post above is funny for the content, or because I can imagine him sitting at the pc getting all worked up :bash: :lol:
I do think, if the run was downhill, WT could probably remove 4 plug leads, and still :first:
:blink: :wacko: :mellow:

[scumdog]

WT, you admit having made direct contact with mikey? that means he is a living breathing person :thud:

Still,if it wasn't for the mikeys of this world the rest of us wouldn't appear so perfect eh? :2thumbsup

[Skunk]

:blink: :wacko: :mellow:Try to keep up. :shutup:

[NC]

WT, you admit having made direct contact with mikey? that means he is a living breathing person :thud:

Still,if it wasn't for the mikeys of this world the rest of us wouldn't appear so perfect eh? :2thumbsup
I've met him too...I think there is some sort of nurological brain obstruction. Or they spliced his temporal lobe and frontal lobe with a 3 toed sloth.

[NC]

Try to keep up. :shutup:
I was trying not to be mean, for once.

[Mongoose]

I was trying not to be mean, for once.

BULLSHIT :ar15: :thud: :sick:

[NC]

BULLSHIT :ar15: :thud: :sick:
Unbullshit! :shit:

[Mongoose]

Unbullshit! :shit:

You can do that??








Witch :whistle: :Pokey: :apint:

[NC]

You can do that??








Witch :whistle: :Pokey: :apint:
:beer: :msn-wink:

[mikey]

Ah fuck it...

I wanna see how hard I can punch you...

oh wheres the love... i aaint said nothing about you an still get dealt this shit....

sad thing is you might take a break from your very lady like personality an do it!

i might just take a break from my no hitting chics policy even if they are slapping away at me because this one would be pre meditated....

on an about the brain wired wrong like mine is... i been to pyschologist an they put these wires on my head an asked me questions for an hour (three times!) an the brain thinks a tad different to normal, so they tried to make me take some pills but i was worried i would tunr into this like nice person an thought fuck that an fed them to the neighbours dog

[mikey]

Listen to me you little cock sucker. Now that your bike's going, Im happy to remove three plug leads from mine and give you the lesson 1500 other KBers have been dying to for a month.

Keen?


what that you can go faster than me on your shiny 1000 an my 250 doesnt keep up so good? ... oh NOOOOOOO i would like trip over my ego which would be hanging off my shoes for years once you do that....

an the text was cause i got a few james's on my fone an only thought only one was 021 number like yours an i thought i had saved your number as ""little trash boy"" but it was a jimmy as well an i got the wrong one so like fucking cunt... i know where you WORK!!!!! an like even though im this tiny little peice of 48kg white trash after cooking spots one day i might just come visit you an try deck you for all the hatred that has been festering inside if i can reach high enough cause buddy your built like a wood chopper or something!!!

nah i wouldn do nothing like that... just getting chopped again see you tomoro night. i reckon that if you should ride a 250 just to really rub it in when you""beat"" me up the takas or something

[avgas]

fuck that an fed them to the neighbours dog
what a nice dog it must have been

[NC]

oh wheres the love... i aaint said nothing about you an still get dealt this shit....

sad thing is you might take a break from your very lady like personality an do it!

i might just take a break from my no hitting chics policy even if they are slapping away at me because this one would be pre meditated....


:killingme You can dream about hitting me while your knocked out cold on the ground :msn-wink:

You mouth off at the wrong people, kid.

[Winger]

Hi again.Cops!or should i say TAX MEN thats right, thats one of the reasons we don't like them. the public image is what you see them doing most,collecting TAX not solving crime.Who wants to help the TAX MAN .but if i saw a cop getting a beating if think i would try to help at the end of the day he or she is just another KIWI going about life. what would want me to do if it was YOU getting the 'SHIT kicked out of you "sit there and finish my lunch" think about it BUT istill think this revenue hunting is bullshit do some crime solving.

Have a nice day :rockon:

[White trash]

Listen to me you little cock sucker. Now that your bike's going, Im happy to remove three plug leads from mine



what that you can go faster than me on your shiny 1000 an my 250 doesnt keep up so good? ... oh NOOOOOOO i would like trip over my ego which would be hanging off my shoes for years once you do that....


Can you read/count? That's why I said I'd remove three plug leads.


an the text was cause i got a few james's on my fone an only thought only one was 021 number like yours an i thought i had saved your number as ""little trash boy"" but it was a jimmy as well an i got the wrong one so like fucking cunt... i know where you WORK!!!!! an like even though im this tiny little peice of 48kg white trash after cooking spots one day i might just come visit you an try deck you for all the hatred that has been festering inside if i can reach high enough cause buddy your built like a wood chopper or something!!!

nah i wouldn do nothing like that... just getting chopped again see you tomoro night. i reckon that if you should ride a 250 just to really rub it in when you""beat"" me up the takas or something


I really think you need to lay off the sauce man!

And the chances of you riding the 1K? About the same as '30_chick and you getting engaged.

[StoneChucker]

I was trying not to be mean, for once.

Just what exactly didn't you like about my post? Was it that I said Mikey was semi-"normal"? I must read the previous pages, you two seem to have quite the nemesis thing going :rockon:

And besides NC, I'm disappointed. I thought you and me had something... something special :confused2 :msn-wink:

[mikey]

no you misread dear sir. i say you ride a 250, and i ride my beast of a 250, the chances of you riding my 250 buddy are slimmer than me getting engaged at all...


ill be up for the race with you on three plugs though but once i get far enough ahead you will prob stop an put them back on get past me an then rip them back off at top...

[scumdog]

Hi again.Cops!or should i say TAX MEN thats right, thats one of the reasons we don't like them. the public image is what you see them doing most,collecting TAX not solving crime.Who wants to help the TAX MAN .but if i saw a cop getting a beating if think i would try to help at the end of the day he or she is just another KIWI going about life. what would want me to do if it was YOU getting the 'SHIT kicked out of you "sit there and finish my lunch" think about it BUT istill think this revenue hunting is bullshit do some crime solving.

Have a nice day :rockon:

Whatever.

To busy revenue gathering

Thanks for the thought. :wacko:

[Mongoose]

Hi again.Cops!or should i say TAX MEN thats right, thats one of the reasons we don't like them. the public image is what you see them doing most,collecting TAX not solving crime.Who wants to help the TAX MAN .but if i saw a cop getting a beating if think i would try to help at the end of the day he or she is just another KIWI going about life. what would want me to do if it was YOU getting the 'SHIT kicked out of you "sit there and finish my lunch" think about it BUT istill think this revenue hunting is bullshit do some crime solving.

Have a nice day :rockon:

So glad that there are so many willing to volunteer to pay extra taxes, good on you :)

[inlinefour]

For those who are interested. Anyone that is just complaining about fines they have recieved or could recieve then you have missed the point completely. However you strenghten Spudchuckas side of the arguement with your complaining. Plus the rest of us might think it pretty pathetic that certian individuals are just groaning about fines they have to pay (if this is indeed the case).

[inlinefour]

http://www.fastandsafe.org/site.aspx/Pages/Media/PoliceCrashes22Dec04

Sounds like some need to be put back through driver training? :crazy:

[Clockwork]

For those who are interested. Anyone that is just complaining about fines they have recieved or could recieve then you have missed the point completely. However you strenghten Spudchuckas side of the arguement with your complaining. Plus the rest of us might think it pretty pathetic that certian individuals are just groaning about fines they have to pay (if this is indeed the case).

Honda....... go boil ya head! :Pokey:

The next time I attempt to engage in an intelligent dicourse with another member of these boards and the only contribution you can make is to complain that one or the other of us is "whinging"....please don't bother! :nono:

[inlinefour]

Honda....... go boil ya head! :Pokey:

The next time I attempt to engage in an intelligent dicourse with another member of these boards and the only contribution you can make is to complain that one or the other of us is "whinging"....please don't bother! :nono:

That might be the problem then :whocares:
Oh and...

[NC]

Just what exactly didn't you like about my post? Was it that I said Mikey was semi-"normal"? I must read the previous pages, you two seem to have quite the nemesis thing going :rockon:

And besides NC, I'm disappointed. I thought you and me had something... something special :confused2 :msn-wink:
It was the semi-normal bit :sly:

Narh your all good dude :p

[idb]

Whatever.

To busy revenue gathering

Thanks for the thought. :wacko:

At least he came back on topic SD I suppose :D

[StoneChucker]

Narh your all good dude :p
Yes, yes I am :msn-wink: And be sure to tell all your friends :killingme

giggidy giggidy giggidy

[Blakamin]

In the shit again....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3176933a10,00.html

[JohnBoy]

Read this story posted on stuff.co.nz


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3176933a10,00.html


no wonder so many crimes are going unsolved. i would say that i am surprised but, that would be lying.
:brick:

[scumdog]

In the shit again....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3176933a10,00.html

Well, heaps of guys get their arses kicked for not issuing enough tickets but I've never heard of anybody getting their arse kicked because the didn't attend enough 111 calls........... :eek5: :eyepoke:

[Sparky Bills]

SWEET!!
I can now become a hit man!
Have heard that there is better pay there than in bike shops!?

[Slim]

Auckland police are testing the use of satellite-guided technology in some cars that can pinpoint where each patrol car is and how fast it is travelling
The AA and various other organisations have been using this technology for years. It would be great to see the Police utilising it too.

[bugjuice]

We would like to see that apprehending minor traffic infringers should not be prioritised at the expense of emergency calls

how else are they ment to generate their revenue then, if they're out catchin real crooks instead of taking our money?
They say they want to stop speeding, but they're not answering 111 calls, and they aren't employing more cops, and they want to cut costs back.. and the boss wants his yacht.. and speed cameras aren't working.. they're showing the seams..

[scumdog]

The AA and various other organisations have been using this technology for years. It would be great to see the Police utilising it too.

It's on its way Slim, of course the INCIS debacle screwed the Police for a lot of money that would have bought useful stuff like you mentioned - plus axtra staff, radios that can't be scanned etc etc. :disapint:

Just had our colour printer removed from work as it was deemed unnecessary, now pics of all the crims, exhibit pics etc are in black and white. (maybe it's 'cos the law is black and white eh?)

"If you look carefully you can see a bit of dark stain, that's actually blood on the victim but you'll have to use your imagination 'cos we aren't allowed a colour printer." :pinch:

[spudchucka]

Read this story posted on stuff.co.nz


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3176933a10,00.html


no wonder so many crimes are going unsolved. i would say that i am surprised but, that would be lying.
:brick:
Ignoring the Hawkes Bay story in the mean time because I don't believe that the actual facts have been disclosed, the report highlights something that pisses a lot of cops off too. Even some of the ones that do traffic duty.

Some traffic bosses are directing their staff not to attend any general duties jobs because they want to keep their staff out on the roads doing what they are paid to do. Thats fair enough to an extent but not at the risk of the publics safety. Who knows what the bosses reasoning is behind it, maybe they get a big bonus at the end of the year?

I know that not all of the traffic bosses are like this however and in my area they are really good at turning up to jobs when there are no GDB cops available.

Its definitely an area the police need to have a look at and impliment some changes. If you are a cop you should be available to attend any job if required, regardless of what your specific core duties are.

[Clockwork]

Just had our colour printer removed from work as it was deemed unnecessary, now pics of all the crims, exhibit pics etc are in black and white. (maybe it's 'cos the law is black and white eh?)



Humour!......... ark ark ark. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:tick:VG :2thumbsup

[hobdar]

Everything you read in the media is not FACT...There job is to sell newspapers..ideally they should be writing with an unbiased view but hell how many articles do you read that speak about the good things that happen in this world............

Little or none...Just cause someone puts together a few facts from one witness does not make it true, it needs to be coroborated(sp?) and backed up from different sources and bad mouthing the police right now is selling papers...

that said my experiences with the Police have been all good, even those ones when they caught me doing what i shouldn't. From reading the WHOLE of this thread (and forgive me i may have missed some points due to the mud slinging) But i have formed a few thoughts

1 We need to accept responsibility for our actions, we have rights to ride our bikes /cars within the constraints of the law..if we get caught tough shit...pay up and shut up.

2 in my experiences with the cops including dialing 111 due to people doping up and then getting into fights and a mental patient trying to break into my home and then steal my car....They have always been prompt and efficent and helpful....When we got burgled they have not always been prompt but have turned up with hours in one case and the next day in another..and they have always been polite and curteous.
The multiple times i got pulled over in my old dunga car the cops were prompt efficent and curteous perhaps the bad experiences people have had are due to the attitude projected by them or the peers around them at the time as well?

3 Yes there are some bad apples. Same type of assholes as the place i work..would you do there job? Could you do there job?

4 If a cop was getting beat on i would do my best to help, they have a shit job following someone elses (sometimes ) shit rules and have to enforce them.

Having read some of the forums people seem to bag each other a lot here (especially the cops) or am i being hyper sensitive...i think those people bagging the cops need to arrange a ride along with them and see what there days are really like.....and the crap they have to put up with on a daily basis......

Repeat after me you will make shorter posts you will make shorter posts

[marty]

Having read some of the forums people seem to bag each other a lot here (especially the cops) or am i being hyper sensitive...i think those people bagging the cops need to arrange a ride along with them and see what there days are really like.....and the crap they have to put up with on a daily basis......



that is the most sensible thing i have heard on this debate, but you can betcha the likes of winja and his skanky cronies would just be too scared to do it

[loosebruce]

that is the most sensible thing i have heard on this debate, but you can betcha the likes of winja and his skanky cronies would just be too scared to do it

Hell i'll come for a ride wit you, you talking bikes or on patrol, either or i'd still come, i'm sick of all the shit bagging cops too, they're human and make mistakes like everyone else and the shit they cop (xcuse the pun) for it is unbelivable. No one really has the right to bag them unless they are in it and know exactly what its like to be a cop, the job must be one of the toughest out there, respect.
I've been doing my job for almost 8 years now, and wanted a change, i rang the 0800 NEWCOPS earlier in the week to find out info as i was interested in a challeging job and being a HP bike cop sounds pretty cool to me, only they told me that cause of my previous driving record :confused: i would be unable to apply just yet, but to try again later.
I also looked at a firefighter, i heard theres an opening down pukekohe way, word has it an old dinosaur works there and they're sick of waiting up for him and his walking frame to catch up, rides an R6 or something :Pokey:

[Clockwork]

Lifted from the Fast and Safe thread.....



Its not the publics right to decide what the police tolerance levels will be. Public opinion should of course be listened to but the police must be able to operate independently of direct influence from the Govt or the public.


This, I can't agree with. We are not living in a Police State, the Police are still Public Servants. If its not the publics right then whose is it :spudwhat: . In practical terms it is the Government's, and one way the public exert pressure on the Government is by complaining about their policies,

kinda like what we are doing here, and at FastAndSafe.

[Midnight 82]

Hell i'll come for a ride wit you, you talking bikes or on patrol, either or i'd still come, i'm sick of all the shit bagging cops too, they're human and make mistakes like everyone else and the shit they cop (xcuse the pun) for it is unbelivable. No one really has the right to bag them unless they are in it and know exactly what its like to be a cop, the job must be one of the toughest out there, respect.
I've been doing my job for almost 8 years now, and wanted a change, i rang the 0800 NEWCOPS earlier in the week to find out info as i was interested in a challeging job and being a HP bike cop sounds pretty cool to me, only they told me that cause of my previous driving record :confused: i would be unable to apply just yet, but to try again later.
I also looked at a firefighter, i heard theres an opening down pukekohe way, word has it an old dinosaur works there and they're sick of waiting up for him and his walking frame to catch up, rides an R6 or something :Pokey:

I feel the same most police I know are real nice guys. They serve us well trying to keep us all safe. They dont make the rules they just steer them for the good of all. It has to balance out over every-one. If you make speed limits and rules higher what about the young ones whom are just learning and need to be kept to a safe controled way. I feel people that bag cops are only sulking because they dont meet the high standard it takes to join the force. :yeah: :spudwhat: Well to all the coppers on this site THANKYOU and at the end of the day if you pull these moaners up on the road i feel sorry for them ay hehe :angry2: Keep up the good work yous are a special kind of breed that is for sure. :niceone:

[Firefight]

I also looked at a firefighter, i heard theres an opening down pukekohe way, word has it an old dinosaur works there and they're sick of waiting up for him and his walking frame to catch up, rides an R6 or something :Pokey:


:angry2: So, you like hospital food Bruce ? perhaps you would like some broken legs to go with your broken wrists , oh and btw its a "Zimmer Frame " with an R6 engine.. :killingme :killingme Re you your new job try this link,

www.fire.org.nz , would be happy to give you a character reference..

I guess something like " Fuck yeah hes a bloody character okay". let me know

F/F :niceone:

[spudchucka]

Lifted from the Fast and Safe thread.....



This, I can't agree with. We are not living in a Police State, the Police are still Public Servants. If its not the publics right then whose is it :spudwhat: . In practical terms it is the Government's, and one way the public exert pressure on the Government is by complaining about their policies,

kinda like what we are doing here, and at FastAndSafe.
The police as a law enforcement agency must be able to operate independantly of direct meddling from outside influences. The Govt however obvisously has direct input through the passing of laws and the minister of police and police commisioner.

However the day to day operation of the police must remain the domain of the police. Too much input from one party can adversly effect another party, the nature of the job requires that police are remain impartial and outside influences dictating terms and policy will simply erode that impartiality. The public has redress by way of making police complaints, defending charges in Court, lobying polititians and by changing the Govt at the next election.

[mikey]

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudchucka
Its not the publics right to decide what the police tolerance levels will be. Public opinion should of course be listened to but the police must be able to operate independently of direct influence from the Govt or the public.



YEAH BRING BACK MILITARY STATES.......... GREAT IDEA SPUD...... SHAME THAT OUR ARMY IS SO PATHETIC............ POLICE ALONE CANT DEAL WITH MOST OF THE SHIT THAT GOES ON IN A CIVILISED DEMOCRACY........... THEY WILL LOSE ANY CONTROL WITHIN DAYS!

SHAME ON YOU YOU FACSIST WANABE POWER TRIPPER

[Clockwork]

The police as a law enforcement agency must be able to operate independantly of direct meddling from outside influences. The Govt however obvisously has direct input through the passing of laws and the minister of police and police commisioner.

However the day to day operation of the police must remain the domain of the police. Too much input from one party can adversly effect another party, the nature of the job requires that police are remain impartial and outside influences dictating terms and policy will simply erode that impartiality. The public has redress by way of making police complaints, defending charges in Court, lobying polititians and by changing the Govt at the next election.

You phrase it much better this time and I find I am happy to agree with this. :niceone: What does trouble me from time to time is when I hear of the Police (adminstration OR association) lobbying for law changes to make the job easier. I can't recall a specific instance now but I know I've seen it happening. It generally seems to result in another loss of personal freedom for all of society and, lets face it, most of us aren't crims. :whistle:

[scumdog]

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudchucka
Its not the publics right to decide what the police tolerance levels will be. Public opinion should of course be listened to but the police must be able to operate independently of direct influence from the Govt or the public.



YEAH BRING BACK MILITARY STATES.......... GREAT IDEA SPUD...... SHAME THAT OUR ARMY IS SO PATHETIC............ POLICE ALONE CANT DEAL WITH MOST OF THE SHIT THAT GOES ON IN A CIVILISED DEMOCRACY........... THEY WILL LOSE ANY CONTROL WITHIN DAYS!

SHAME ON YOU YOU FACSIST WANABE POWER TRIPPER

Of course to negate any problems of incinsistant "tolerance levels" the letter of the law should be adhered to without variation, then the Mensa rejects that type only in caps would have no reason to complain eh?
Public vote in politician, politicians make laws, Police administer and apply them = total ecstacy from public who voted in aforementioned politicians!!

What's that WINJA?, you never voted those politicians in you say? BAD LUCK, welcome to the real world and "the system" matey :shake: :Pokey:

[WINJA]

Of course to negate any problems of incinsistant "tolerance levels" the letter of the law should be adhered to without variation, then the Mensa rejects that type only in caps would have no reason to complain eh?
Public vote in politician, politicians make laws, Police administer and apply them = total ecstacy from public who voted in aforementioned politicians!!

What's that WINJA?, you never voted those politicians in you say? BAD LUCK, welcome to the real world and "the system" matey :shake: :Pokey:
WHAT EVER PIG, THATS WHY I DONT STOP ANYMORE, I THINK YOULL FIND THE MORE THE LAW TIGHTENS UP THE MORE PEOPLE WILL JOIN ME, SOON I WONT HAVE A REG WARRANT NUMBER PLATE OR LICENCE, AND IM GOING TO DO RUNNERS PAST YOUR LOCAL SCHOOLS AT 3 PM SEE WHOS LAUGHING THEN PIG

[spudchucka]

YEAH BRING BACK MILITARY STATES.......... GREAT IDEA SPUD...... SHAME THAT OUR ARMY IS SO PATHETIC............ POLICE ALONE CANT DEAL WITH MOST OF THE SHIT THAT GOES ON IN A CIVILISED DEMOCRACY........... THEY WILL LOSE ANY CONTROL WITHIN DAYS!

SHAME ON YOU YOU FACSIST WANABE POWER TRIPPER
I see you are now a WINJA apprentice Capstard too. Did I suggest a military state? No! Can you read and make sense of the written word? I doubt it somehow.

[spudchucka]

WHAT EVER PIG, THATS WHY I DONT STOP ANYMORE, I THINK YOULL FIND THE MORE THE LAW TIGHTENS UP THE MORE PEOPLE WILL JOIN ME, SOON I WONT HAVE A REG WARRANT NUMBER PLATE OR LICENCE, AND IM GOING TO DO RUNNERS PAST YOUR LOCAL SCHOOLS AT 3 PM SEE WHOS LAUGHING THEN PIG
Good one menace, you'll endanger innocent children to make your pathetic point.

You are nothing but sub human excrement.

[WINJA]

Good one menace, you'll endanger innocent children to make your pathetic point.

You are nothing but sub human excrement.
SO DONT CHASE THEN , THE CHOICE IS YOURS. OH BUT THE LAWS THE LAW SO FUCK THE KIDS AY, IF THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN CHASE ME PAST A SCHOOL IT MUST BE OK.I DONT KNOW HOW YOU BITCHES JUSTIFY YOUR WAGES OR LIFE

[loosebruce]

SO DONT CHASE THEN , THE CHOICE IS YOURS. OH BUT THE LAWS THE LAW SO FUCK THE KIDS AY, IF THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN CHASE ME PAST A SCHOOL IT MUST BE OK.I DONT KNOW HOW YOU BITCHES JUSTIFY YOUR WAGES OR LIFE

Are you actully that stupid, fucked in the head, retarded or whatever, or you just trying you hardest to stir shit :spudwhat:

[spudchucka]

SO DONT CHASE THEN , THE CHOICE IS YOURS. OH BUT THE LAWS THE LAW SO FUCK THE KIDS AY, IF THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN CHASE ME PAST A SCHOOL IT MUST BE OK.I DONT KNOW HOW YOU BITCHES JUSTIFY YOUR WAGES OR LIFE
Our wages are justified every time we send an arsehole like you to jail where you belong. Its your future, get comfortable with the idea because its got your name written all over it. Then you'll really get to play mummies and daddies. If you aren't the mummy taking it up the arse you'll get to be the daddy and you can suck mummies cock.

[Clockwork]

WHAT EVER PIG, THATS WHY I DONT STOP ANYMORE, I THINK YOULL FIND THE MORE THE LAW TIGHTENS UP THE MORE PEOPLE WILL JOIN ME, SOON I WONT HAVE A REG WARRANT NUMBER PLATE OR LICENCE, AND IM GOING TO DO RUNNERS PAST YOUR LOCAL SCHOOLS AT 3 PM SEE WHOS LAUGHING THEN PIG

Sorry Spud, I'd like to continue our debate..... as these issues trouble me but I couldn't bare to be associated with comments like this. :sick:

Good luck on this thread..... I guess I've said my piece. :crybaby:




......... Of course, I might get wound up again. :niceone: