NZ Police public image

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Now I cant quite fathon this one out...

Concerns are being raised about how police are viewed by the public after the broad daylight bashing of a woman officer.

Constable Pamela Cox is recovering from eye and facial injuries after being attacked by a woman at central Christchurch's City Mall.

She and a male officer were dealing with four people who were allegedly drunk and disorderly, and in breach of the city's liquor ban.

The Police Association's Canterbury director Craig Prior says the street was full of people, but nobody went to Constable Cox's aid.

He is concerned the public perception of police officers has deteriorated over the past few years.

He says they are there to help, not hinder, and would like to get their public-friendly image back.

Now call me thick if you wish, BUT. I almost got charged with assault from the Police many years ago because I hit someone with a 3 by 4 that was breaking into my own home!
We hear of the Police not attending serious calls, or getting there way too late.
The Police stopping people from contacting there neighbour for help in rural areas by jamming the phone.
Not only this but I'm sure that many would be concerned that IF we came to the officer's aid that the Police would consider pressing assault charges for helping!!!
Not only this but I've been told by the Police that it would be part of my job (Psychiatric Nurse) to wear a few punches. However the Police are the first to whine if they get assaulted???
Note to the Police. Sort yer shite attitudes out. You will recieve respect once it is earnt, but as of yet you aint earnt ANY!!!! :moon:

[WINJA]

FUCK HELPING THEM, WE PAY THEM TO LOOK AFTER US, IF SHE WANTS TO GET PAID FOR THE JOB SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT PRPOERLY. I HELP MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THOUGH , LAST TIME IT WAS 4 GUYS CLIMBING IN MY NEIGHBOURS WINDOW. THE COPS ROUND HERE ARE USELESS IVE GIVEN MY NUMBER TO ALL MY ELDERLY NEIGHBOURS SO THEY CAN CALL ME IN AN EMERGENCY.
I THINK WITH ALL THE EMPHASIS ON BULL SHIT TRAFFIC LAW MOST PEOPLE HAVE A NEGATIVE ATTITUDE TO PIGS.EVEN OLDER PEOPLE'S ATTITUDES HAVE CHANGED.

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FUCK HELPING THEM, WE PAY THEM TO LOOK AFTER US, IF SHE WANTS TO GET PAID FOR THE JOB SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT PRPOERLY. I HELP MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THOUGH , LAST TIME IT WAS 4 GUYS CLIMBING IN MY NEIGHBOURS WINDOW. THE COPS ROUND HERE ARE USELESS IVE GIVEN MY NUMBER TO ALL MY ELDERLY NEIGHBOURS SO THEY CAN CALL ME IN AN EMERGENCY.
I THINK WITH ALL THE EMPHASIS ON BULL SHIT TRAFFIC LAW MOST PEOPLE HAVE A NEGATIVE ATTITUDE TO PIGS.EVEN OLDER PEOPLE'S ATTITUDES HAVE CHANGED.

That earns a rep point for helping the elderly. Yep they are quick to complain about other but not interested in looking at themselves :brick:

[ajturbo]

FUCK HELPING THEM, WE PAY THEM TO LOOK AFTER US, IF SHE WANTS TO GET PAID FOR THE JOB SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT PRPOERLY. I HELP MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THOUGH , LAST TIME IT WAS 4 GUYS CLIMBING IN MY NEIGHBOURS WINDOW. THE COPS ROUND HERE ARE USELESS IVE GIVEN MY NUMBER TO ALL MY ELDERLY NEIGHBOURS SO THEY CAN CALL ME IN AN EMERGENCY.
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hey that is a great idea!
the folks a round me are famers and the like, but if i were in a town, i would be doing that to all my older neigbours!! :Punk: :Punk:

andy

[Firefight]

am not aware of this incident, but am sure that when in Fire College, I remember being told that it is an offence when asked to assistance a police officer to then not do so, possible fine of up to NZ$500.00 No doubt spud or marty may be able to tell us, not sure of the title of the act, but section 53 rings a bell ? Failing to help....? Its in my old notes somewhere.

F/F :confused:

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am not aware of this incident, but am sure that when in Fire College, I remember being told that it is an offence when asked to assistance a police officer to then not do so, possible fine of up to NZ$500.00 No doubt spud or marty may be able to tell us, not sure of the title of the act, but section 53 rings a bell ? Failing to help....? Its in my old notes somewhere.

F/F :confused:

I have serious doubts regarding that comment, but I would try to help in a non violent way. The only law I am aware of that says you can assault someone is if they are attempting suicide, then you can use any force required to stop the person :Playnice:

[onearmedbandit]

A couple up Nth were either charged, or were considered for charges, for not helping an officer under attack. Last year I think, someone must remember it.

[Firefight]

I have serious doubts regarding that comment, but I would try to help in a non violent way. The only law I am aware of that says you can assault someone is if they are attempting suicide, then you can use any force required to stop the person :Playnice:


firstly, no I am not on Drugs (atm), you are welcome to have as many doubts as you like, I will wait till one of our resident Police Officers either confirm or deny this, or if I get a chance later I will search my old training notes and see if I can find the section of law that was showen to me.

F/F

[TwoSeven]

Basically, in christchurch the police are pretty useless - you never see them and when they do, they cant help anyway.

At the end of the day they have lost the respect of their community, pretty much because they never get out of their cars and get to know anyone.

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firstly, no I am not on Drugs (atm), you are welcome to have as many doubts as you like, I will wait till one of our resident Police Officers either confirm or deny this, or if I get a chance later I will search my old training notes and see if I can find the section of law that was showen to me.

F/F

I guess I've been told then... :gob:

[Firefight]

Sorce, Brookers Statutes if NZ

section 53) Failing to help member of Police..

1) A member of the Police in the lawful execution of his or her duty may ask any person who is 18 years or older to help the member of the Police do either or both of the following.

a) apprehend or secure any person

b) convey any person in the charge of the member of the Police to a police station or other place.

2)the member of the police may ask the person for help of any kind only if it is, in the cirumstances a reasonable necessity.

3) every person who, when so asked, fails to give help of that kind to any memeber of the Police commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding NZ$500.00.

4) However, a failure of that kind before the commencment of the Human Rights Amendment Act 2001, and by a person who is not a male, is not an offense under subsection 3).

My notes are old, but I guess one of the Police on the site will help clear this up.


Thanks again for the Bad rep Honda, I guess I had to get one sooner or later. just remember, Don't shoot the messanger.


F/F

[Skunk]

I believe Firefight and onearmedbandit are right. I've heard of the law before. :pinch:

But Firefight found his stuff while I was reading... :argh:

[Kickaha]

Basically, in christchurch the police are pretty useless - you never see them and when they do, they cant help anyway.

At the end of the day they have lost the respect of their community, pretty much because they never get out of their cars and get to know anyone.


So what you are saying is if we got rid of the police in Christchurch we wouldn't notice the difference then? yeah right!

Our Business was burgled and although the amount taken was small the police attended within an hour of being called,when my mountainbike was stolen they found it in a secondhand shop four days later.

Unfortunately all we see on here are those who wish to have a bleat about the state of the countries policing without offering anything constructive in how to fix the perceived problems and as for getting on to the MP or whatever other avenues are available to do something about will just sit and bitch about it.

I feel a lot of the negative reputation the police receive is due to the media beating them up whenever they make a mistake,because of course that makes better press and gives you more to talk about than any of the positive things they do

[StoneChucker]

Sorce, Brookers Statutes if NZ

section 53) Failing to help member of Police..

1) A member of the Police in the lawful execution of his or her duty may ask any person who is 18 years or older to help the member of the Police do either or both of the following.

a) apprehend or secure any person

b) convey any person in the charge of the member of the Police to a police station or other place.

2)the member of the police may ask the person for help of any kind only if it is, in the cirumstances a reasonable necessity.

3) every person who, when so asked, fails to give help of that kind to any memeber of the Police commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding NZ$500.00.

4) However, a failure of that kind before the commencment of the Human Rights Amendment Act 2001, and by a person who is not a male, is not an offense under subsection 3).

My notes are old, but I guess one of the Police on the site will help clear this up.


Thanks again for the Bad rep Honda, I guess I had to get one sooner or later. just remember, Don't shoot the messanger.


F/F

Honda, I'm not sure if there were any PM's, but from what I read from FireFight, he was not being in any way insulting. He was merely stating the facts from what he knew. I think you may have misinterpreted what he was trying to say, as having a go at you. Anyway, water under the bridge and so forth...

As for point 4... :angry2: That just makes my blood boil. But I'm not going to start a whole equality rant, because I don't really give a crap anymore. It's the same type of attitude that male nurses are not allowed to perform certain procedures to female patients unless they have female peer supervision. It's just pathetic, why as a male, are you assumed to be likely to offer inferior or inappropriate care?

The police are doing a job, just like all of us. The way I see it, when ONE person makes a mistake, or what is perceived by the public to be a mistake, it is widely published throughout the media, and the whole organisation seems to get the bad reputation. With all the dealings I have had with the police, they have been fast, efficient and helpfull/friendly. (I was a witness in all those dealings, not a suspect haha).

But Honda, I can see your point, and where you're coming from. There are definitely certain areas which need addressing. As for police attitides, it must be REALLY hard to always be nice to people when just about everyone you meet while on duty hates your guts, with a sometimes irrational passion?

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Sorce, Brookers Statutes if NZ

section 53) Failing to help member of Police..

1) A member of the Police in the lawful execution of his or her duty may ask any person who is 18 years or older to help the member of the Police do either or both of the following.

a) apprehend or secure any person

b) convey any person in the charge of the member of the Police to a police station or other place.

2)the member of the police may ask the person for help of any kind only if it is, in the cirumstances a reasonable necessity.

3) every person who, when so asked, fails to give help of that kind to any memeber of the Police commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding NZ$500.00.

4) However, a failure of that kind before the commencment of the Human Rights Amendment Act 2001, and by a person who is not a male, is not an offense under subsection 3).

My notes are old, but I guess one of the Police on the site will help clear this up.


Thanks again for the Bad rep Honda, I guess I had to get one sooner or later. just remember, Don't shoot the messanger.


F/F

I'm not shooting anyone and your assuming...

Oh and like I said before, I'd help in a non violent way. But if someone is holding a knife or gun (or baseball bat etc), I ain't going in to help Mr or Mrs Plodd and I'd like to see that stick in a court of law.
My question is then: Why is that the Police should expect the public to help them in trouble when the Police themselves are doing such a crappy job (in general) of doing it in the first place? :confused:

[thehollowmen]

I'm gonna open a bag of worms here... and some of it may not make sense... I'll edit it if it doesn't.

I think a few police have lost focus and are giving the rest a bad name... The need to look out for the public to have the public look out for them in times of need. I know they're doing us a favour by catching us accidentally speeding by ten km/h, but they're letting off the drunk people in Dunedin who you see clutching a bottle while getting into the driver's seat outside a pub. A bit of attitude adjustment is in order, but we also need to adjust our own attitude. They are doing thier job, and the rules are there to keep us safe. Don't give them a chance with the trivial matters and they'll have to move on to do the important stuff...

The media has also blown up some mistakes which would normally appear pretty minor. These have led to a few big flamewars on the forums too.

On the other hand, as bikers we are a minority group, with a few giving the rest of us a bad name (bike gangs, drug running etc?). We need to do something to help give us a positive image. A string of "Biker heros at mall" headlines would be great for our image, especially with a little false modisty (oh we're all part of the motorcycling clan / human race / everyday joes etc)

[Skyryder]

I can remember some years ago after coming out of the dentist walking into a scuffle that looked like some plain clothes police officers were getting done. I went to their aid and one of them told me to 'fuck off' in no uncertain terms.
On a different note I was in the 'area' on New Years day when, can't remeber her name but the girl, that was murdered from Ashburton. I was salmon fishing on the Rakia river. Subsequently went along to the Police station so that I could be 'eliminated' from the enquiry. I'll never do that again. Mr plod treated me as a 'suspect' and not as a member of the public helping with police enquiries. I know that these two incedents are not related but on both occasions I thought I was doing the right thing. All I got for my trouble was contempt and rudeness. Now would I go and help a police officer if they were getting the shit kicked out of them? Yes I would. This has nothing do do with road patrols speeding tickets, late for turning up to a breakins or other personal likes or dislikes about indavidual police officers. If you can assist the police in anyway then do so.

Skyryder

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I'm gonna open a bag of worms here... and some of it may not make sense... I'll edit it if it doesn't.

I think a few police have lost focus and are giving the rest a bad name... The need to look out for the public to have the public look out for them in times of need. I know they're doing us a favour by catching us accidentally speeding by ten km/h, but they're letting off the drunk people in Dunedin who you see clutching a bottle while getting into the driver's seat outside a pub. A bit of attitude adjustment is in order, but we also need to adjust our own attitude. They are doing thier job, and the rules are there to keep us safe. Don't give them a chance with the trivial matters and they'll have to move on to do the important stuff...

The media has also blown up some mistakes which would normally appear pretty minor. These have led to a few big flamewars on the forums too.

On the other hand, as bikers we are a minority group, with a few giving the rest of us a bad name (bike gangs, drug running etc?). We need to do something to help give us a positive image. A string of "Biker heros at mall" headlines would be great for our image, especially with a little false modisty (oh we're all part of the motorcycling clan / human race / everyday joes etc)

Yea they do a great job, generally. But I believe they need a wee sort out along with more coppers employed also. Oh and I agree StoneChucker :niceone:

[WINJA]

That earns a rep point for helping the elderly. Yep they are quick to complain about other but not interested in looking at themselves :brick:
2 EDGE SWORD AS WELL THE OLD GUY NEXT TO ME THAT I GAVE MY NUMBER TOO IS HOME ALL DAY JUST LOOKING OUT HIS WINDOW, SO WHO BETTER TO WATCH MY HOUSE DURING THE DAY, SOMETIMES WHEN I GET HOME HE TELLS ME WHO'S BEEN VISITING ME, NO ONE SHOULD EVER ASUME OLD PEOPLE ARE VACANT THIS OLD MAN IS AS SHARP AS A TACK

[spudchucka]

[COLOR=DarkRed]However the Police are the first to whine if they get assaulted???
Note to the Police. Sort yer shite attitudes out. You will recieve respect once it is earnt, but as of yet you aint earnt ANY!!!! :moon:
Once you've worked as a cop you might realise that they get assaulted almost every day. Untill you have your opinions have little to no basis.

You are not an expert in the good attitude department and as far as I'm concerned are in absolutely no position to preach.

[spudchucka]

I have serious doubts regarding that comment, but I would try to help in a non violent way. The only law I am aware of that says you can assault someone is if they are attempting suicide, then you can use any force required to stop the person :Playnice:
Showing your ignorance again Honda.

[k14]

Yeah some people's attitudes here are appauling, although some are definately warranted.

In the end its a person getting assaulted and of course I would stand in and try to defend the cop. What goes around comes around.

[spudchucka]

Firefight,

It is section 53 of the Police Act 1958 that you have posted from. Its an oldie but a goodie.

I've never charged anyone or had reason to charge anyone under that section but then I've never met WINJA, Honda or R1AaronKDX in person.

[avgas]

Man you guys are fucked if you think we can operate without the police.
Yes they are inefficent, but they are still there.
Dont blame the force, blame the system - cops arent robots.
:angry2: Infact fuck you guys who think cops are all wankers, some of them are ok guys/girls. Id rather pay a cop, then a bum who cant be bothered getting a job, a crim in prison or some bludger who will claim for 'back pain' while on holiday in Fiji.
1000's of people in NZ who do fuck all for NZ, and you want to bitch about some cop who caught u breaking the law.
Ive been in plenty of situations where cops have done a no show, but as i said before its the systems fault.
And if i saw a cop in a fight gettin kickd, i would jump in to help em out - thats some one brother/sister guys

[Skunk]

Yeah some people's attitudes here are appauling, although some are definately warranted.

In the end its a person getting assaulted and of course I would stand in and try to defend the cop. What goes around comes around.I'm just a chicken-shit weed, :thud: so I'd help from the sidelines. No matter what.

[gav]

LOL, I blame the media, the story headlines as Police woman BASHED, FFS bashed, huh? it has a photo of her with a black eye, she must have worn one while apprehending someone in a struggle and got clouted in the face, hardly the same as getting BASHED, is it? What ever happened to getting punched? Doesnt seem to happen these days, its bashed instead....
The article points the finger at 4 workmen sitting approx 10 ft from where the altercation took place, saying they didnt go to help, but it was probably over before it began. Mountain, molehill.....

[WINJA]

Firefight,

It is section 53 of the Police Act 1958 that you have posted from. Its an oldie but a goodie.

I've never charged anyone or had reason to charge anyone under that section but then I've never met WINJA, Honda or R1AaronKDX in person.
I WOULDNT HELP YOU , INFACT ID LAUGH IF YOU WERE GETTING A BEATING. BUT IF YOUR WIFE HAD A FLAT TYRE ID CHANGE IT FOR HER , AND IF YOUR CHILD WAS GETTING A BEATING I WOULD HELP HIM, BUT I WOULD NEVER EVER HELP A PIG , ID RATHER GET A $500 FINE.

[Joni]

I WOULDNT HELP YOU , INFACT ID LAUGH IF YOU WERE GETTING A BEATING. BUT IF YOUR WIFE HAD A FLAT TYRE ID CHANGE IT FOR HER , AND IF YOUR CHILD WAS GETTING A BEATING I WOULD HELP HIM, BUT I WOULD NEVER EVER HELP A PIG , ID RATHER GET A $500 FINE.

At times Winja I wonder if you have one brain cell in your head... at first I thought maybe you just had no clue, but I am starting to realise you are just a wanker fully aware of what he is doing... Police are just people doing a job, yes some do it better than others... but holy shit man, think before you speak!

[justsomeguy]

There's a pic here if you wish to put a face to the name:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3156944a11,00.html

To those who know a little more about the issue -- what was the other male police officer doing? Who was he handling? There were four people right? So this ladycop must have been quite properly owerpowered to get bashed that well.

What happened to the bloke?

And hey - 2 "coppers" versus 4 "drunks"? :killingme

I once saw a 5'6 70 kilo security guard take on three over 6 foot at least 90+kg guys and win - in 2 minutes... inspite being slammed into a wall repeatedly. I later found out that this fella had "martial arts" training..... he basically choked them one by one into breatlessness and had them sitting on the floor completely exhausted.

Now come on!!! aren't coppers supposed to know how to handle themselves???:cool2:

And handling a situation does include the fact that if you think that you can't handle it - YOU CALL FOR BACK UP - and just monitor the situation till then.

VERY STUPID POLICEWORK.

[WINJA]

At times Winja I wonder if you have one brain cell in your head... at first I thought maybe you just had no clue, but I am starting to realise you are just a wanker fully aware of what he is doing... Police are just people doing a job, yes some do it better than others... but holy shit man, think before you speak!
I AM AWARE OF WHAT IM DOING MAYBE IVE SEEN AND DONE MORE THAN YOU, YOU MAY HAVE NO FUCKIN IDEA ABOUT WHAT IVE SEEN.IM SICK OF POLICE INCOMPETENCE I WANT WHAT I PAID FOR. I BLAME THE INDIVIDUAL COP FOR THEIR ACTIONS NOT POLICY. E.G. I WAS ASKED TO DO SOMETHING IMMORAL TO A CUSTOMER BY MY EMPLOYER, I WAS WILLING TO GET FIRED RATHER THAN TO CARRY OUT THE ORDER , PIGS CAN DO THE SAME.
SO JONI GET BACK TO THE KITCHEN WHERE YOU BELONG

[StoneChucker]

I WOULDNT HELP YOU , INFACT ID LAUGH IF YOU WERE GETTING A BEATING. BUT IF YOUR WIFE HAD A FLAT TYRE ID CHANGE IT FOR HER , AND IF YOUR CHILD WAS GETTING A BEATING I WOULD HELP HIM, BUT I WOULD NEVER EVER HELP A PIG , ID RATHER GET A $500 FINE.
Winja, you MUST be taking the piss? Even if you are, thats not really funny either.

But, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion...

[Joni]

SO JONI GET BACK TO THE KITCHEN WHERE YOU BELONG

Yeah pull the sexist one... classic, never done before!
As you say I dont know what you have been through or seen, however you also have no idea of mine.

:done:

[WINJA]

Winja, you MUST be taking the piss? Even if you are, thats not really funny either.

But, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion...
IM SERIOUS AS , NOTE I SAID I WOULD HELP HIS FAMILY JUST NOT A PIG. ITS NOT MY JOB TO HELP HIM OR HER OUT. BUT I GET IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS WHERE I HAVE TO HELP JOE AVERAGE IN THE STREET OUT AND I ALWAYS DO IF I CAN. I AMAZED AT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WILL NOT DO A THING TO HELP OUT THERE FELLOW MAN. I JUST DONT EXTEND THAT HELP TO PIGS. I DONT WRITE SHIT HERE TO BE POPULAR

[justsomeguy]

I AM AWARE OF WHAT IM DOING MAYBE IVE SEEN AND DONE MORE THAN YOU, YOU MAY HAVE NO FUCKIN IDEA ABOUT WHAT IVE SEEN.IM SICK OF POLICE INCOMPETENCE I WANT WHAT I PAID FOR. I BLAME THE INDIVIDUAL COP FOR THEIR ACTIONS NOT POLICY. E.G. I WAS ASKED TO DO SOMETHING IMMORAL TO A CUSTOMER BY MY EMPLOYER, I WAS WILLING TO GET FIRED RATHER THAN TO CARRY OUT THE ORDER , PIGS CAN DO THE SAME.
SO JONI GET BACK TO THE KITCHEN WHERE YOU BELONG

You seem to be saying that there is a reason for your "love" of coppers, police, pigs, the bill, the filth, the blue bitches, :calm: :calm: etc, etc

So tell us a little bit about those experiences so we may better understand where you are coming from...............

[WINJA]

Yeah pull the sexist one... classic, never done before!
As you say I dont know what you have been through or seen, however you also have no idea of mine.

:done:
SO LET ME HAVE MY OPINION WITHOUT HAVING A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ME

[WINJA]

You seem to be saying that there is a reason for your "love" of coppers, police, pigs, the bill, the filth, the blue bitches, :calm: :calm: etc, etc

So tell us a little bit about those experiences so we may better understand where you are coming from...............
THE LIST WOULD BE TOO BIG , BUT SHIT LIKE A COP DRINKING A JUG AT THE LOCAL WHERE I WAS WORKING B4 STARTING HIS SHIFT. CALLING THE COPS ABOUT MY HOUSE BEING ROBBED , MY MTB'S BEING STOLEN, MY MOTORBIKE BEING STOLEN, MY CAR BEING STOLEN, PEOPLE CLIMBING IN MY NEIGHBOURS WINDOW AND THEM NOT TURNING UP. COPS HANDING OUT BULLSHIT SPEEDING OFFENCE TICKETS AND THEN THE COPS CRASHING TWICE ON THE SAME RD DOING DOUBLE THE SPEED LIMIT. THE COPS PEPPER SPRAYING A HANCUFFED MAN WHOS ON THE GROUND OUTSIDE MY HOUSE. THE COPS NOT CHARGING MY GIRL FRIENDS GRANDMOTHER AFTER SHE KILLED A MAN WHEN SHE WAS DRIVING WHILE DISQUALIFIED. A PIG JAMMING A BATTON IN THE WHEEL OF A BRAND NEW MC TO STOP THE BIKE ONLY TO FIND THEY HAD THE WRONG PERSON. A COP CUTTING ME OFF RUNNING ANOTHER CAR OFF THE ROAD THEN DRIVING OFF WITHOUT STOPPING

[StoneChucker]

A PIG JAMMING A BATTON IN THE WHEEL OF A BRAND NEW MC TO STOP THE BIKE ONLY TO FIND THEY HAD THE WRONG PERSON.
While I don't agree with the "pig" part, that action would SERIOUSLY piss me off. I had someone try doing that to me on a pushbike once :mad:

[Indo]

Winjas taking the piss. At least i hope for his sake he is, surely he can't really be that thick?

[inlinefour]

Cheers for the rep point (or who ever it was...). I see that some will spit the dummy when others have a different opinion. Oh and as for the question. I'd take who ever it was, the quickest deadliest way possible...

[inlinefour]

Showing your ignorance again Honda.

But you clearly have no idea on this one matey...

[Firefight]

Cheers for the rep point (or who ever it was...). I see that some will spit the dummy when others have a different opinion. Oh and as for the question. I'd take who ever it was, the quickest deadliest way possible...

Not sure what your on about this time, but unlike yourself, I don,t hand out bad reps just because I don,t like what people post, must be one of your other kb freinds......

F/F

[TwoSeven]

So what you are saying is if we got rid of the police in Christchurch we wouldn't notice the difference then? yeah right!

Our Business was burgled and although the amount taken was small the police attended within an hour of being called,when my mountainbike was stolen they found it in a secondhand shop four days later.

Unfortunately all we see on here are those who wish to have a bleat about the state of the countries policing without offering anything constructive in how to fix the perceived problems and as for getting on to the MP or whatever other avenues are available to do something about will just sit and bitch about it.

I feel a lot of the negative reputation the police receive is due to the media beating them up whenever they make a mistake,because of course that makes better press and gives you more to talk about than any of the positive things they do

Actually my suggestion was for them to get out into the community a bit more. The only time we se the old bill is when they are driving thru on their way somewhere else.

[Skunk]

But you clearly have no idea on this one matey...:killingme: Telling a cop he has no idea about cop stuff...! :pinch:

[**R1**]

Interesting.....

personaly i wouldnt help....on the 3 occasions that i have had to call the coppers they havnt done anything to improve my impresion of them...one time 2 years ago i cought a punk kid going through the wifes car...i grabed him dragd him inside to the phone put my knee in his throat and rang the coppers....now this poor punk kid spent 1 and a 1/2 hours with my 90kgs choaking him b4 the copper arrived...then the fuckers wanted to charge me with assault WTF??

as for the copper that got beatn dwn here perhaps someone should have called her a taxi :bleh: :lol:

[justsomeguy]

Interesting.....
as for the copper that got beatn dwn here perhaps someone should have called her a taxi :bleh: :lol:

No no the cops were coming..... but then you know our cops :whistle:Would LOVE to help but unfortunately are always too busy:sleep: to do anything about it :blink:................................

That and the fact that it usually takes them ages to get anywhere...........

[Ms Piggy]

Not only this but I'm sure that many would be concerned that IF we came to the officer's aid that the Police would consider pressing assault charges for helping!!!
It's interesring that you bought this up Honda b/c I was thinking about posting about it and asking otehrs what they think. I've never been in a fight or been assaulted but, my initial thought was...well I probably wouldn't "assist" b/c there could be someo sort of confusion and I could end up being charged for assault myself!

It seems a little inconsistent to me. I'm not into slagging off cops b/c I know they have a bloody hard job but, I do find that there seems to be no consiostency when it comes to defending ones self. sometimes people are praised for their bravery and others times they are told off or even charged.

[justsomeguy]

Another thing that is worrying is that if a person has some martial arts knowledge and he/she ends up having to defend themselves and manages to do so successfully...... the cops sometimes are a whole lot harder on that person....

Have any of you had similar experiences or stories?

[**R1**]

Firefight,

It is section 53 of the Police Act 1958 that you have posted from. Its an oldie but a goodie.

I've never charged anyone or had reason to charge anyone under that section but then I've never met WINJA, Honda or R1AaronKDX in person.

this looks a lot like fishing to me :finger:

If i saw you being bashed i would help.......the dudes bashing you :yeah: :buggerd: :lol:

[Sniper]

Another thing that is worrying is that if a person has some martial arts knowledge and he/she ends up having to defend themselves and manages to do so successfully...... the cops sometimes are a whole lot harder on that person....

Have any of you had similar experiences or stories?

Had one myself. 7 Years karate & Judo and 2 years CQB experience. I was in a diary one day when a pissed moron swung out at me and ended up breaking his arm on my body (I helped a little) :whistle:

Then he tried taking me to court for assualt until the dairy owner said that it was a provoked attack by the guy. I mean Im not big by any means, 5'7", 80kgs and stocky. This guy was a giant compared to me but the cops still wanted to do me for unprovoked attack. Im still very confused. :Pokey:

Seems like all the training brain-washes some cops of common sense while others learn to listen to both sides of the story

[MSTRS]

Reading these posts just underlines the fact that cops are individuals too. They will get it wrong sometimes (and right others) but as 'professionals' they are paid to get it right. The ones that get it wrong deserve a good old bollocking esp. since they contribute to the bad name that the force has developed. The one's that get it right we seldom hear about. A change in priorities is overdue, but I don't see that happening in today's society. At a pinch I'd blame successive governments for our over-regulated, over-permissive, under-achieving nanny-state and the media for frontpaging the worst parts just to gain sales. This is also revenue gathering. :bash: I don't know what needs to happen (does anyone?) but the saying goes 'If nothing changes, then nothing changes'. I'm off for a ride to clear my head.

[inlinefour]

Not sure what your on about this time, but unlike yourself, I don,t hand out bad reps just because I don,t like what people post, must be one of your other kb freinds......

F/F

Well your welcome to believe what you want, but was not I. Perhaps you should take some of that advice your dishing out? :doh:

[inlinefour]

:killingme: Telling a cop he has no idea about cop stuff...! :pinch:

Because on this occasion I am aware of what the law states and it just goes to show that some people that think they are allways are right, aint :doh:

[inlinefour]

Another thing that is worrying is that if a person has some martial arts knowledge and he/she ends up having to defend themselves and manages to do so successfully...... the cops sometimes are a whole lot harder on that person....

Have any of you had similar experiences or stories?

A chop to the throat to stop a girl having a go with a knife, then the Police treat me like a fucking criminal (finger printed and all) for defending myself! :Playnice:

[inlinefour]

Reading these posts just underlines the fact that cops are individuals too. They will get it wrong sometimes (and right others) but as 'professionals' they are paid to get it right. The ones that get it wrong deserve a good old bollocking esp. since they contribute to the bad name that the force has developed. The one's that get it right we seldom hear about. A change in priorities is overdue, but I don't see that happening in today's society. At a pinch I'd blame successive governments for our over-regulated, over-permissive, under-achieving nanny-state and the media for frontpaging the worst parts just to gain sales. This is also revenue gathering. :bash: I don't know what needs to happen (does anyone?) but the saying goes 'If nothing changes, then nothing changes'. I'm off for a ride to clear my head.

Gotta agree with that one completely

[Firefight]

I guess when Honda becomes a senior memeber, he will find out that it is very easy to see who gives reps to who..

F/F

[inlinefour]

The rep point was from me.
FF a good mate of mine

And just like FF you spit the dummy also...

[inlinefour]

I guess when Honda becomes a senior memeber, he will find out that it is very easy to see who gives reps to who..

F/F

I guess so, but the funny thing is that on one occasion you are wrong. What I'm intersted in is are you able to identify it and able to accept it...

[Motoracer]

I stand on "helping the cops" side of the fence.

Bring it on ya pricks! *grabs* a baseball bat :headbang:

[Sniper]

And just like FF you spit the dummy also...

Honda, play nice. The guy was just being nice. I stand by the fact that everyone has their own opinions for whatever reasons. I dont try and change that. Opinions matter.

Imagine how boring life would be if we were all the same, blah blah blah. You guys know the rest.

Honda, just as a favour if you may, please read all the posts and write one big thing up about them, not 5 or 6 quotes, it gets annoying. Well for me anyway, Im not sure on others.

[WINJA]

Winjas taking the piss. At least i hope for his sake he is, surely he can't really be that thick?
IM NOT TAKING THE PISS

[scumdog]

Some of you guys must lifes born loser - or great at trolling. :innocent:

Surprisingly enough I was not been 'PIG' all my life yet when I hooned around with long hair, black Harley, noisy V8 etc and worked at the freezing works I NEVER got dealt to by the cops let alone in the way you guys waffle on about.
My stolen car was found by them, they found the poppy thiefs, they gave me a lift home when I was 'incapable' etc. etc.

Maybe attitude might make a difference too eh?

[spudchucka]

I WOULDNT HELP YOU , INFACT ID LAUGH IF YOU WERE GETTING A BEATING. BUT IF YOUR WIFE HAD A FLAT TYRE ID CHANGE IT FOR HER , AND IF YOUR CHILD WAS GETTING A BEATING I WOULD HELP HIM, BUT I WOULD NEVER EVER HELP A PIG , ID RATHER GET A $500 FINE.
You're deranged, get fucked!

[spudchucka]

Because on this occasion I am aware of what the law states and it just goes to show that some people that think they are allways are right, aint :doh:
Lets have your explanation of section 53 of the Police Act 1958 then.

[inlinefour]

Honda, play nice. The guy was just being nice. I stand by the fact that everyone has their own opinions for whatever reasons. I dont try and change that. Opinions matter.

Imagine how boring life would be if we were all the same, blah blah blah. You guys know the rest.

Honda, just as a favour if you may, please read all the posts and write one big thing up about them, not 5 or 6 quotes, it gets annoying. Well for me anyway, Im not sure on others.

I could mention what is said on my lastest neg reps, but I wont. Feck aal being nice just people getting shitty because they think they know it all, and dont...

[spudchucka]

I guess so, but the funny thing is that on one occasion you are wrong. What I'm intersted in is are you able to identify it and able to accept it...

Thread - Police public image?
Date - 17th January 2005 03:03
Posted By - Honda
Comment - now its this type of shit attitude that gets you guys in the crap knobend

Honda

When a bad rep is received this the format it is received in.

So while you might have to guess who has given you the bad rep the rest of us know who sent it. Playing coy and pretending it wasn't you is just showing you up as a bigger fool than you already appear.

[spudchucka]

IM NOT TAKING THE PISS
Just talking shit! :moon:

[inlinefour]

Lets have your explanation of section 53 of the Police Act 1958 then.

Are you needing reading lessons? Read it for yourself dude. This has been an interesting exercise and I see that some of the attitudes that get the Police into hot water with society are also present here :shake: Well I feel that my point is made, so I'll let you all carry on with this thread without me :shutup: You know the funny thing is that some people appear so arrogant that it results in some ignorance. Whoever mentioned that my comments about suicide is wrong, they need to actually read the act in question. Just mightr surprise them to know I speak some truth :shutup: Now Mr Spud, FF etc, happy new year :2thumbsup

[inlinefour]

Just talking shit! :moon:

I see your quite happy to lower your standards to that of what you complain about. :baby: :baby: :baby: :baby: :baby: :baby:

[avgas]

COPS HANDING OUT BULLSHIT SPEEDING OFFENCE TICKETS. . THE COPS NOT CHARGING MY GIRL FRIENDS GRANDMOTHER AFTER SHE KILLED A MAN WHEN SHE WAS DRIVING WHILE DISQUALIFIED.
Those others i agree were bullshit, but these......holy fuck man if some old bat killed me while she was disqualified from driving, fuck i would want some form of justice

[Hitcher]

How many of us who aren't would like to be Police officers?

How many of us REALLY believe that taking the "law" into our own hands when we probably have no idea what we're doing or why is a good idea?

When we REALLY need them to help and they do, how many of us think that the Police are a bunch of useless pigs?

How many of us REALLY believe that anarchy is a realistic solution to an under-resourced Police force?

Rant over.

[avgas]

Interesting.....

personaly i wouldnt help....on the 3 occasions that i have had to call the coppers they havnt done anything to improve my impresion of them...one time 2 years ago i cought a punk kid going through the wifes car...i grabed him dragd him inside to the phone put my knee in his throat and rang the coppers....now this poor punk kid spent 1 and a 1/2 hours with my 90kgs choaking him b4 the copper arrived...then the fuckers wanted to charge me with assault WTF??

as for the copper that got beatn dwn here perhaps someone should have called her a taxi :bleh: :lol:
In this situation i dont rely on the cops, simply that its more satisfying if you beat the shit out of em.
Had one dude steal my mountain bike, so i chased him down the road, intercepted him, beat the living shit out of him. Then let him stumble home.

[scumdog]

Yeah, good point Mr H. who on this site would NOT want to be a cop- and why (no trite comments about 'who would want to work with dick-heads' kind of childish stuff, just real answers).

And if they're THAT bad why not join and show 'em how it SHOULD be done properly?

[jrandom]

How many of us who aren't would like to be Police officers?

I've often thought that if I wasn't locked into a career that paid more than I could get elsewhere and was so intellectually titillating, I'd call 0800 FRESH PORK and join up.

But there you go... I can't.

I'd like to, though.

[Hitcher]

Yeah, good point Mr H. who on this site would NOT want to be a cop- and why (no trite comments about 'who would want to work with dick-heads' kind of childish stuff, just real answers).

And if they're THAT bad why not join and show 'em how it SHOULD be done properly?
All professions have their bad eggs, so I guess the Police are no different.

As a generalisation, I think New Zealand's Police force is outstanding. Certainly by world standards when you consider issues like Police corruption (and you need look no further than New South Wales or Queensland for shining examples of the best Police forces money can buy) or people shot or badly injured by Police our force looks pretty good to me.

I have friends who are in the Police. They rock! I wouldn't do their job for anything.

[Motoracer]

I'd like to, though.

It's just cause you wana wear the uniform isn't it? Go on, admit it. Either that or the ability to take advantage of hot women who speed and/or drink-drive, who'd then do ANYTHING to get out of a penelty.

[jrandom]

It's just cause you wana wear the uniform isn't it? Go on, admit it. Either that or the ability to take advantage of hot women who speed and/or drink-drive, who'd then do ANYTHING to get out of a penelty.

Dammit, boy, you know me too well.

[Hoon]

I could mention what is said on my lastest neg reps, but I wont. Feck aal being nice just people getting shitty because they think they know it all, and dont...

Hahhaha.....Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe these people do know it all and its actually you that doesn't know shit ?!?!

Everyone entitled to their own opinion but just because someone doesn't agree with it or tries to educate you, doesn't mean you have to take it as a personal attack, throw all your toys out of the cot and show your true age.

Try reasoning with valid points backing up your opinions as the tantrum approach only works on parents.

[jrandom]

... the tantrum approach only works on parents.

Actually, it doesn't.

You wouldn't *believe* how wild Number One Son gets when he sees that careful placement on the carpet, followed up by perfectly-choreographed fist and heel thumping, elicits nothing but stifled giggles, followed by a scooping-up and dumping into his cot...

[spudchucka]

Well I feel that my point is made,
The only thing you've been feeling in this thread is yourself!

[WINJA]

Those others i agree were bullshit, but these......holy fuck man if some old bat killed me while she was disqualified from driving, fuck i would want some form of justice
I THINK THIS ONES WORSE , I KNOW THESE 2 SISTERS , THEY COMPLAINED TO THE SCHOOL COUNCILLER ABOUT GETTING MOLESTED BY THEIR STEP DAD , THE COUCILER CALLED THE PIGS AND MADE A FORMAL COMLAINT THE POLICE WENT AROUND AND DID A FULL INVESTIGATION WHICH CONSISTED OF ASKING THE STEP DAD , DID HE DO IT HE DENIED IT THEY LEFT IT AT THAT . NO FOLLOW UP NO PROPER INVESTIGATION NOTHING , THE YOUNGEST GIRL ENDED UP GETTING MOLESTED FOR ANOTHER 4 YEARS OR SO. THE STEP DAD NEVER EVEN GOT TAKEN AWAY FOR A FORMAL INTERVIEW AT THE PIG STATION. THE POLICE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING , I STILL SEE THESE GIRLS SUFFERING AS ADULTS , I FOUND ONE OF THEM AFTER SHE CUT HER WRISTS , CHEERS PIGS ANOTHER JOB WELL DONE , JUST LIKE THE ONE WHERE THEY SENT A TAXI

[Big Dave]

IM NOT TAKING THE PISS


It's appropriate that you type all caps. all caps in paragraphs has a significantly lower comprehension rate than upper and lower mixed.
most people don't even bother to read extended paragraphs of all caps.
most appropriate.

bd

[StoneChucker]

Man, do you know ALL the facts? And, are you not embellishing that story a little? Hell, I don't give a shit. What I wanted to say was...

I tried joining the police force when I moved to NZ. I'd love to be a police officer. However, certain things prevented me from going any further than the initial presentation :angry: (no, not a criminal record dumbass :))

Now, where's that cot? hehehe

[Big Dave]

As a generalisation, I think New Zealand's Police force is outstanding.
I have friends who are in the Police. They rock! I wouldn't do their job for anything.

I agree with you hitcher. i have a mate who's in the armed offenders.
I'm glad it's him confronting the p'd up gangsters he deals with on my/our behalf.

On the 'putting in' front - I already have a (bronze) medal for bravery - (that I wore to the motorcycle awards dinner nyk nyk) - if there is lives in danger etc - I'm in no questions.

I think the old system you guys had where the traffic cops were different to the 'real' cops was a bloody good idea. You could be pissed off at the 'clerks' - eh? - Long gone by the time i got here.

bd

[WINJA]

Man, do you know ALL the facts? And, are you not embellishing that story a little? Hell, I don't give a shit. What I wanted to say was...

I tried joining the police force when I moved to NZ. I'd love to be a police officer. However, certain things prevented me from going any further than the initial presentation :angry: (no, not a criminal record dumbass :))

Now, where's that cot? hehehe
I KNOW ALL THE FACTS AND I DIDNT TELL YOU THE WORST OF IT AND DONT INTEND TO, I THINK PAEDOPHILES ARE JUST AS BAD AS MURDERERS , MY POINT BEING THE COPS NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING, KIDS DONT USUALLY LIE ABOUT THAT STUFF, AND YOU WOULD GIVE A SHIT IF YOU SAW THESE GIRLS SHATTERED LIVES

[MSTRS]

I KNOW ALL THE FACTS AND I DIDNT TELL YOU THE WORST OF IT AND DONT INTEND TO, I THINK PAEDOPHILES ARE JUST AS BAD AS MURDERERS , MY POINT BEING THE COPS NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING, KIDS DONT USUALLY LIE ABOUT THAT STUFF, AND YOU WOULD GIVE A SHIT IF YOU SAW THESE GIRLS SHATTERED LIVES
You make a valid point, but perhaps you too are not in possession of all the facts. I agree that cops don't always follow things up But in these situations they don't fuck around without there being good reason to 'disbelieve' the complaint. I disagree with 'paedos' being as bad as murderers - they are 10x worse since with murder at least there are often extenuating circumstances. Not condoning, mind. There are NO extenuating circumstances with some twisted fuck getting his(or her) jollies with kids.

[ajturbo]

There are NO extenuating circumstances with some twisted fuck getting his(or her) jollies with kids.


your not getting at Riff Raff are you? :sneaky2:

[Sniper]

I could mention what is said on my lastest neg reps, but I wont. Feck aal being nice just people getting shitty because they think they know it all, and dont...

I dont know it all, I use the small part of my brain that specialises in COMMON SENSE!! :mellow:

[**R1**]

Those others i agree were bullshit, but these......holy fuck man if some old bat killed me while she was disqualified from driving, fuck i would want some form of justice
If she killed ya what would it matter? :whistle:

I would rather dish out my own justice coz the law dont do shit....

[MSTRS]

your not getting at Riff Raff are you? :sneaky2:
Shame on you for even thinking such a thing. RiffRaff is a lovely girl who's only vice is enjoying a bit of flatulence :killingme

[Sniper]

Man, do you know ALL the facts? And, are you not embellishing that story a little? Hell, I don't give a shit. What I wanted to say was...

I tried joining the police force when I moved to NZ. I'd love to be a police officer. However, certain things prevented me from going any further than the initial presentation :angry: (no, not a criminal record dumbass :))

Now, where's that cot? hehehe

I managed to get into the Army but they wouldnt give me a gun and I had to be supervised (No kidding) when around them.

Its almost like they expect South Africans to be a dangerous bunch?? :whocares:

I have more than enough time for the cops, they have helped me out on numerous occasions on only rarley bother me. You get to know the types of cops though. I still dont agree on calling them pigs, what have they done to deserve it?? :mad:

[750Y]

growing up around Porirua I have had plenty experiences with Police. I still retain a sense of fairness however & it's easy to spot a losing situation. I will always step in and I would see past the uniform. It's obvious when someone needs help, but people in NZ are becoming pussies with mobile phones who don't like to get their hands dirty.

[inlinefour]

How many of us who aren't would like to be Police officers?

How many of us REALLY believe that taking the "law" into our own hands when we probably have no idea what we're doing or why is a good idea?

When we REALLY need them to help and they do, how many of us think that the Police are a bunch of useless pigs?

How many of us REALLY believe that anarchy is a realistic solution to an under-resourced Police force?

Rant over.

Yes they do a good job, generally. But IF they want to improve their public image then it should come from within the Police force and not just be expected to change. Nope I can't take the law into my my own hands because then it lowest my standard to shit :bash: Dunno anout anarchy either, doubt if that would work :doh:

[inlinefour]

Hahhaha.....Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe these people do know it all and its actually you that doesn't know shit ?!?!

Everyone entitled to their own opinion but just because someone doesn't agree with it or tries to educate you, doesn't mean you have to take it as a personal attack, throw all your toys out of the cot and show your true age.

Try reasoning with valid points backing up your opinions as the tantrum approach only works on parents.

But I can think of one occasion that I've been accused as being wrong when I've rechecked the act in question and I'm right :shit:

Oh and what tantrum would that be then? :unsure:

[**R1**]

You make a valid point, but perhaps you too are not in possession of all the facts. I agree that cops don't always follow things up But in these situations they don't fuck around without there being good reason to 'disbelieve' the complaint. I disagree with 'paedos' being as bad as murderers - they are 10x worse since with murder at least there are often extenuating circumstances. Not condoning, mind. There are NO extenuating circumstances with some twisted fuck getting his(or her) jollies with kids.
ditto, those fuckers should have there eye lids cut off and there eyes filled with sand, and their pecka stitched to their forehead, thats just for starters....fuck they piss me off...and wots worse is the fuckers get away with it...

[inlinefour]

ditto, those fuckers should have there eye lids cut off and there eyes filled with sand, and their pecka stitched to their forehead, thats just for starters....fuck they piss me off...and wots worse is the fuckers get away with it...

A wee surgical removal of what ever the wankers have between the legs, place in prison with the general inmates and clearly letting the general population know what the person is in prison for :finger:

[jrandom]

ditto, those fuckers should have there eye lids cut off and there eyes filled with sand, and their pecka stitched to their forehead, thats just for starters...

Yup. Agreed.

Although I'd be happy with the consolation prize of beating one to death with a crowbar.

[inlinefour]

Firstly, Mr Spudchucker and co. You clearly are lacking in the art of self reflection, you think you know it all and there probably is not a chance of swaying you from that. Please read the act regarding suicide and what can be done to prevent individuals from doing it.
Attitudes from some around here are "hollier than thou" and rather poor. We are all intitled to our opinion and that will never change. For all you that get upset at others opinions, get a grip :baby: because although I've been told I'm throwing a tantrum, I see many others doing it and also doing what they accuse others of doing :baby:
If this is what I can expect for the KBers (yea I'd like to think there are a few goodies out there and can think of one, you know who you are (and a Yamaha rider?)). I think I'll ride by myself and not bother with the rides, get togethers etc.
Yea I'm pretty new here and YES, I've done my fair share of shit sturring. But I like to do it with no mallice, however it comes form multiple directions here :moon:
Some of the dodgiest attitudes I have seen have come form some coppers and I made this thread for discussion because I think its becoming a bigger issue.
Oh, Mr Spudchucker, you have my vote for the biggest arsehole here. I hope I never meet you. But I'm sure if I do, you'll have some lame excuse to give me a ticket...

[**R1**]

A wee surgical removal of what ever the wankers have between the legs, place in prison with the general inmates and clearly letting the general population know what the person is in prison for :finger:
I dont think it needs to be A wee surgical removal, a log splitter would do a fine job, and all inmates would know coz its tatoo'd to their face.

[Coyote]

Why do some of you people get into a tizzy when you talk about the police? Why do you complain when you get a speeding ticket? Why complain that you got a ticket when you broke the law and then say how much of a bitch the officer was? The officer is just doing his job and his job is to give you a ticket or arrest you depending on what law you have just broken. When you get your licence, you agree to follow the road code, and if you break the law, there are consequences. If you complain about the law, you’re basically complaining about our democratic society.

In conclusion, if you break the law and bitch about it, you’re a commie pig!

[inlinefour]

Honda, play nice. The guy was just being nice. I stand by the fact that everyone has their own opinions for whatever reasons. I dont try and change that. Opinions matter.

Imagine how boring life would be if we were all the same, blah blah blah. You guys know the rest.

Honda, just as a favour if you may, please read all the posts and write one big thing up about them, not 5 or 6 quotes, it gets annoying. Well for me anyway, Im not sure on others.

I dont see life through rose tinted glasses...

[Sniper]

I dont see life through rose tinted glasses...

Yes but you need to open your eyes first. :sneaky2:

[Firefight]

yes thanks again mate, sorry I won,t be bad repping you back, not my style.

F/F :innocent:

[Deano]

yes thanks again mate, sorry I won,t be bad repping you back, not my style.

F/F :innocent:

Can you post the bad rep comment like Spud did ?

I think its gutless to give someone a bad rep and remain anonymous, and if Honda is lying about it, let us all know.

[Firefight]

Can you post the bad rep comment like Spud did ?

I think its gutless to give someone a bad rep and remain anonymous, and if Honda is lying about it, let us all know.


Not sure how to do that Deano, but if a Mod tells me how I;ll have a go, I know its him, as Its shows on my rep record thingy, still not sure what I have done to upset him, however have no intention of lowering myself to his level, after re reading all the posts, just in case I had been a bit of a "Dummy spitter or a kindy Kid", I still can,t see what the problem is, maybe he thinks I wrote section 53, rather than just reporting it.. who knows ?.


F/F

[inlinefour]

yes thanks again mate, sorry I won,t be bad repping you back, not my style.

F/F :innocent:

Your Weclome, maybe if you though about it you'd understand why I gave it...

[Blakamin]

Not sure how to do that Deano, but if a Mod tells me how I;ll have a go, I know its him, as Its shows on my rep record thingy, still not sure what I have done to upset him, however have no intention of lowering myself to his level, after re reading all the posts, just in case I had been a bit of a "Dummy spitter or a kindy Kid", I still can,t see what the problem is, maybe he thinks I wrote section 53, rather than just reporting it.. who knows ?.


F/F
you could just cut and paste it into some "quote" code

[Firefight]

Your Weclome, maybe if you though about it you'd understand why I gave it...


well since its such a big deal for you, and now that you admit doing it, why don,t you tell us all.


Honda 18:34, 16th Jan 2005 yea right...
Honda 10:43, 18th Jan 2005 your welcome, I await mine...

F/F

[Devil]

I've never had any problems at all with Male police officers. The females on the other hand... well. I'll just say that if I end up in the situation of dealing with the police again, I think i'll be asking to speak to a guy.

[Motoracer]

I've never had any problems at all with Male police officers. The females on the other hand... well. I'll just say that if I end up in the situation of dealing with the police again, I think i'll be asking to speak to a guy.

Would you care to elaborate on that? I am quite interested to hear about it.

[inlinefour]

well since its such a big deal for you, and now that you admit doing it, why don,t you tell us all.



F/F

Look at the post, read the associated comment and figure it out.
Look if I'm an arsehole then I'm an arsehole, but I appear to surrounded by them here... :killingme

[Firefight]

Look at the post, read the associated comment and figure it out.
Look if I'm an arsehole then I'm an arsehole, but I appear to surrounded by then here... :killingme


I have, it seems to be you ,that has blowen this out of all proportion, If you have a problem, spell it out, I have re read the posts as have others, and still can,t see the problem, please do tell .

F/F

[Blakamin]

Look at the post, read the associated comment and figure it out.

I cant work out what "yea right..." has to do with anything :spudwhat:

[inlinefour]

I cant work out what "yea right..." has to do with anything :spudwhat:

First, then you'll understand...

[inlinefour]

And I can't be like the rest you you lot and waste a good day without riding. Bye. :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:

[Devil]

Would you care to elaborate on that? I am quite interested to hear about it.
Well, to save me from injuring neurons trying to remember details it basically was everything to do with Attitude. Sure they need to be assertive, but the only ones ive dealt with were power tripping crackwhores.

I was parked outside my ex gf's house one evening, dropping her off, still had the motor running, foot on the brake etc. A familia sedan comes belting past me, its a 50km/h area. Then 30 seconds later (im serious, 30 seconds) I get the disco lights appearing behind me. Ok, ignoring the fact its a case of mistaken identity (How the fuck do you confuse a Mitsi V3000 with a shitty little familia thats a different colour????) you would not believe what I had to go through to convince this woman that I was not the droid she was looking for *waves hand*. I was 1km from my house, still living with my parents at this stage. I had to discuss with her the direction I was coming from turning into the street, and that they'd come from the other direction (ie. I turned right into the street, they turned left). It came to the point of me asking her if she wanted to speak to my parents to confirm my story etc. Eventually I got "well...ill give you the benefit of the doubt *mutter* *mutter*" and she stomps off. Bah, look what you've started now.
Anyway, that was just a small example, I cant really convey the attitude with words.

There have been other incidents in the past where it hasn't been directly involving me, but I've been very close (proximity) to.

EDIT: Kinda missed an important part. She had accused me of doing 79 in a 50 zone, when i had barely hit 50 through my whole trip. Only came from the next street over.

[Biff]

The cop that ticketed me for accelerating into a 100 sign from a 50 - I'd gladly pay to see him get a decent kick in, and I told him so in a round about way. Something along the lines of, "you've followed me for the last 30 K's in your undercover car, through 100K areas and a township and you know I didn't speed, you waited until I accelerated a little too early and did me for 83K (?) in a 50, despite the only things around here being tree's, roadkill and a shit attitude. Do you know what you're doing to for the reputation of the police force as a whole? How do you expect the public to respect you? Do you honestly think I would ever help you out now if I ever saw you in trouble? Not a fuckin chance" etc etc

However - I have jumped in to help cops out before and I would again.

One wanker in a crowd doth not make a crowd of wankers.

[Firefight]

And I can't be like the rest you you lot and waste a good day without riding. Bye. :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:


all cleared up now, thank you. No hard feelings on my part.

F/F :spudwave:

[Blakamin]

First, then you'll understand...
I read the associated post... i read the whole thread, thats what moderators do.... "yea right..." makes no sense

And I can't be like the rest you you lot and waste a good day without riding. Bye.
already been out and back... thats what mornings are for :spudwave:

[inlinefour]

Well, to save me from injuring neurons trying to remember details it basically was everything to do with Attitude. Sure they need to be assertive, but the only ones ive dealt with were power tripping crackwhores.

I was parked outside my ex gf's house one evening, dropping her off, still had the motor running, foot on the brake etc. A familia sedan comes belting past me, its a 50km/h area. Then 30 seconds later (im serious, 30 seconds) I get the disco lights appearing behind me. Ok, ignoring the fact its a case of mistaken identity (How the fuck do you confuse a Mitsi V3000 with a shitty little familia thats a different colour????) you would not believe what I had to go through to convince this woman that I was not the droid she was looking for *waves hand*. I was 1km from my house, still living with my parents at this stage. I had to discuss with her the direction I was coming from turning into the street, and that they'd come from the other direction (ie. I turned right into the street, they turned left). It came to the point of me asking her if she wanted to speak to my parents to confirm my story etc. Eventually I got "well...ill give you the benefit of the doubt *mutter* *mutter*" and she stomps off. Bah, look what you've started now.
Anyway, that was just a small example, I cant really convey the attitude with words.

There have been other incidents in the past where it hasn't been directly involving me, but I've been very close (proximity) to.


There ARE many an instance of when the Police stuff up and yes plenty more when they do a good job. However too many time have they had "a Police inquirey" that "cleared those involved" when it would not take much to see that someone in the Police fucked up. Along with the attitudes (except FF, check your latest rep), from the likes of Spud, it would appear that the attitudes are continuing. In my profession, when someone fucks up then we stand up and admit it. It appears very hard if not impossible for the Police to be able to do that. They have to be dragged across the coals first by the media to even admit they have screwed things up (like sending taxis to call outs???). I do understand that spuddy most likely feels pretty loyal to the Police force, but the way your carrying on aint helping the cause. Right I'm off for a ride if you want to pull me up :bye:

[MSTRS]

.... "yea right..." makes no sense

:spudwave:
Depends what you drink?? Tui-z to get serious round here methinks

[inlinefour]

well since its such a big deal for you, and now that you admit doing it, why don,t you tell us all.



F/F

Thats the thing, its not a big deal at all for me, but I'm glad its all sorted now. Sorry for the inconvience on your part...

[Skunk]

I'm lost... :spudwhat:

[avgas]

I THINK THIS ONES WORSE , I KNOW THESE 2 SISTERS , THEY COMPLAINED TO THE SCHOOL COUNCILLER ABOUT GETTING MOLESTED BY THEIR STEP DAD , THE COUCILER CALLED THE PIGS AND MADE A FORMAL COMLAINT THE POLICE WENT AROUND AND DID A FULL INVESTIGATION WHICH CONSISTED OF ASKING THE STEP DAD , DID HE DO IT HE DENIED IT THEY LEFT IT AT THAT . NO FOLLOW UP NO PROPER INVESTIGATION NOTHING , THE YOUNGEST GIRL ENDED UP GETTING MOLESTED FOR ANOTHER 4 YEARS OR SO. THE STEP DAD NEVER EVEN GOT TAKEN AWAY FOR A FORMAL INTERVIEW AT THE PIG STATION. THE POLICE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING , I STILL SEE THESE GIRLS SUFFERING AS ADULTS , I FOUND ONE OF THEM AFTER SHE CUT HER WRISTS , CHEERS PIGS ANOTHER JOB WELL DONE , JUST LIKE THE ONE WHERE THEY SENT A TAXI
Yeh but mate you have to look at it like this, I bet if it were up to the good cops (they do exist - some are here), they would do anything in theyre power to help. The system they have to work to sucks shit, it's they're bosses that tell em they have to piss all real police work, and go dish out tickets all day.
Ive been on jobs when shit just isnt right, but it gets that way cos the boss wants more money, less bitching. I believe the cops would be awesome, if we had them as cops, not IRD agents.

[spudchucka]

Firstly, Mr Spudchucker and co. You clearly are lacking in the art of self reflection,You know nothing about me so don't assume, you just look like a bigger dickweed than usual.


Please read the act regarding suicide and what can be done to prevent individuals from doing it.I've got a little manual you might find useful, its called "Suicide - How to get it right the first time". WTF are you bleating on about suicide for anyway?


Attitudes from some around here are "hollier than thou" and rather poor.Maybe so to you but your attitude as far as I'm concerned is that of a immature teenager.


I think I'll ride by myself and not bother with the rides, get togethers etc. Move to ChCh, go pulling wheelies and runnin from da pigs, you might feel at home and make some new friends.


Yea I'm pretty new here and YES, I've done my fair share of shit sturring.Ya don't say!!! Fuck me I never would have noticed, thanks for pointing that out. You came here and immediately made an arse of yourself, then you seemed to pull your head in for a while and was actually making some reasoned comments, now you revert to being an arse again. I guess a leopard can't change its spots after all.


Oh, Mr Spudchucker, you have my vote for the biggest arsehole here.Cool! You think I give a stuff what you or WINJA or Aaron think?? By the way you're right up there in the oxygen thief stakes as far as I'm concerned too so lets just keep giving each other bad rep points until me both make the most disreputable list.

[spudchucka]

Your Weclome, maybe if you though about it you'd understand why I gave it...
He'd have to be able to think like you............. and that just not worth thinking about! :finger:

[spudchucka]

And I can't be like the rest you you lot and waste a good day without riding. Bye. :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:
Did you say some where along the way that you are a psychiatric nurse? Are you sure you're not actually a patient?? Do they have computers in the ward?

[ResidentAngel]

It's just pathetic, why as a male, are you assumed to be likely to offer inferior or inappropriate care?

Well - that happened to me, and after I complained the male nurse was sent for "counselling" and put "under supervision", so it DOES happen!

[StoneChucker]

Well - that happened to me, and after I complained the male nurse was sent for "counselling" and put "under supervision", so it DOES happen!
What happened to you? The male nurse offered inferior/inapproprite care? Alot of patients PERCEIVE innapropriate care, because of their lack of understanding of certain medical procedures, their insecurities with themselves or sometimes even their unjustified hatred for all things male. (which is a real shame, as their careers are tainted and they are made to look like perverted deviants).

I'm not in ANY way suggesting that any of the above apply to you, I'm just voicing my perceptions.

But, as with lots of things, I really don't give a shit (I'm not even a nurse, just used it as an example). I do know though, that if I was accused unjustly of that behavior, I would be irrepairably upset, bitter and angry.

*EDIT* Now, swinging the point back to the topic, you can understand why alot of police officers are bitter/have their guard up, with the current public image.

[WINJA]

You know nothing about me so don't assume, you just look like a bigger dickweed than usual.

I've got a little manual you might find useful, its called "Suicide - How to get it right the first time". WTF are you bleating on about suicide for anyway?

Maybe so to you but your attitude as far as I'm concerned is that of a immature teenager.

Move to ChCh, go pulling wheelies and runnin from da pigs, you might feel at home and make some new friends.

Ya don't say!!! Fuck me I never would have noticed, thanks for pointing that out. You came here and immediately made an arse of yourself, then you seemed to pull your head in for a while and was actually making some reasoned comments, now you revert to being an arse again. I guess a leopard can't change its spots after all.

Cool! You think I give a stuff what you or WINJA or Aaron think?? By the way you're right up there in the oxygen thief stakes as far as I'm concerned too so lets just keep giving each other bad rep points until me both make the most disreputable list.
CHEERS FOR MENTIONING ME AGAIN PIG, YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT JOINED THE FORCE CAUSE YOU THINK A MAN IN UNIFORM LOOKS QUITE SMART AND THE THOUGHT OF HANG OUT WITH THEM IN THE CHANGING ROOM SEALED THE DEAL

[WINJA]

Yeh but mate you have to look at it like this, I bet if it were up to the good cops (they do exist - some are here), they would do anything in theyre power to help. The system they have to work to sucks shit, it's they're bosses that tell em they have to piss all real police work, and go dish out tickets all day.
Ive been on jobs when shit just isnt right, but it gets that way cos the boss wants more money, less bitching. I believe the cops would be awesome, if we had them as cops, not IRD agents.
NOPE YOUR WRONG , THE PIG AT THE DOOR MADE A JUDGMENT CALL, ITS HIS FAULT NOT HIS BOSSES HE FUCKED UP. YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THIS SUBJECT VERY WELL BUT FOR A YOUNG GIRL TO COME FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT BEING MOLESTED IS VERY VERY HARD AND VERY EMBARESSING ITS HARD ENOUGH TO GET THEM TO SPEAK OUT LET ALONE LIE ABOUT IT LET ALONE 2 SISTERS TELLING THE SAME LIE. THE MINIMUM SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE 3 PARTYS INTERVIEWED SEPERATELY THIS DIDNT HAPPEN.

[Blakamin]

can the name-calling/shit slinging stop now?

[StoneChucker]

can the name-calling/shit slinging stop now?
School holidays are over soon :niceone:

[Skunk]

can the name-calling/shit slinging stop now?Might have to close the thread eh? :unsure:

[Blakamin]

Put a pic of my mates HP car from Sydney up for the heck of it. One fast pursuit car, V8's over there.. no expense spared. The K is for K patrol.. the unit he is in.
His name is spooky.. long story
Caught a few Boy racers (called Rice cars over there) in his time.. and the odd bike too.
the ex-HP cars in Oz are highly sought after due to the fact they work the farq outta them.....

[Blakamin]

Might have to close the thread eh? :unsure:
the argument/discussion is fine, everyone has an opinion... no need for names and shit tho.... but that can be taken care of without closing the thread at the moment so everyone can :Playnice:

[ajturbo]

well i have fucked up!!

i have insulted .. someone.( i do know who it is!). and i didn't realise it.

so to that person.
i was such a dick head! to insult you and i'm sorry....

i'm very upset that i didn't think!.. thought i was passed that :brick: :brick: :brick:

andy

[Ex Cop]

Once you've worked as a cop you might realise that they get assaulted almost every day. Untill you have your opinions have little to no basis.

You are not an expert in the good attitude department and as far as I'm concerned are in absolutely no position to preach.

As someone who has been there maybe my opinion does have some basis.

I have worked with some absolute wankers in the Police as well as some very good guys. Alot of cops do have an attitude which reflects badly on all the rest. Some of the problem is that guys join at 19 without any life experiance, work and socialise within the Police and end up with a warped sense of reality and inflated idea of their own importance.

I allways found that with a good friendly attitude and showing some empathy with people I dealt with that it was amazing what people would do to help. Trouble was that most people do have preconceived ideas and probably bad past experiances that were hard to overcome.

The problem is only going to get worse now that the Govt has lowered the entry requirements and there are even courses to train people to pass the pre entry test!

Some of the comments posted on this thread do not help change the image either, only reinforces the perception!

There is a culture of " I am God, do what I say or else" within the Police, which will never go away. This is the main reason I left!

We all remember bad experiances and quickly forget the good ones!

To you wankers in the Police :finger: To the rest :2thumbsup

OK start the shit slanging I dont care, It's all good. :whocares:

[**R1**]

CHEERS FOR MENTIONING ME AGAIN PIG, YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT JOINED THE FORCE CAUSE YOU THINK A MAN IN UNIFORM LOOKS QUITE SMART AND THE THOUGHT OF HANG OUT WITH THEM IN THE CHANGING ROOM SEALED THE DEAL
:killingme :killingme :killingme :lol: :lol:

your a funny guy WINJA.

[**R1**]

You know nothing about me so don't assume, you just look like a bigger dickweed than usual.

I've got a little manual you might find useful, its called "Suicide - How to get it right the first time". WTF are you bleating on about suicide for anyway?

Maybe so to you but your attitude as far as I'm concerned is that of a immature teenager.

Move to ChCh, go pulling wheelies and runnin from da pigs, you might feel at home and make some new friends.

Ya don't say!!! Fuck me I never would have noticed, thanks for pointing that out. You came here and immediately made an arse of yourself, then you seemed to pull your head in for a while and was actually making some reasoned comments, now you revert to being an arse again. I guess a leopard can't change its spots after all.

Cool! You think I give a stuff what you or WINJA or Aaron think?? By the way you're right up there in the oxygen thief stakes as far as I'm concerned too so lets just keep giving each other bad rep points until me both make the most disreputable list.
I do wish you would get over me Spudy...NO means NO :finger: :finger:

[inlinefour]

I do wish you would get over me Spudy...NO means NO :finger: :finger:

I think spuddy needs to get over it all, I am...

[Sniper]

can the name-calling/shit slinging stop now?

Its the problem of people not knowing when to grow up and start respecting each other.

Honda for example, seems to be affected by his patients
Winja is exactly as his name suggests, a whinger with no real reason to type in CAPS
Aaron, I have no idea what to think of you, you make some good points and some bad ones, I have no gripe with you.

Spud and the rest of the gang are offering some good points on the reletivity of the subect but for some reason, 2 particulars are not respecting opinions and are adopting the high and mighty, I am right, you dont know what you are saying attitude, which I suppose they may have some point or reason why? But are trying to force a veiwpoint that doesnt really make sense, I mean, where is their argument?

I dont know, Im not pointing fingers Im just wondering how long this will go on? All its really going to turn into is a shit load of name calling, shit slinging (Thanks blakamin :laugh: ) so where are we getting at?

Sniper :2guns:

[Sniper]

I think spuddy needs to get over it all, I am...

Yea right :whistle: :whistle:

[inlinefour]

Don't know where it came from, someone does...

Lets just keep dishing out bad rep to each other and see who makes the most disreputable first.

Now whos lowering their standard now? :msn-wink:

[spudchucka]

CHEERS FOR MENTIONING ME AGAIN PIG, YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT JOINED THE FORCE CAUSE YOU THINK A MAN IN UNIFORM LOOKS QUITE SMART AND THE THOUGHT OF HANG OUT WITH THEM IN THE CHANGING ROOM SEALED THE DEAL
Boy, you really got me good with that one WINJA..... and all I did was mention your name?

[spudchucka]

This just in from honda.

Bad Rep point
Topic/Police public image?
Date/17th January 2005 16:07
User/Honda
Comment/Your a pathetic childish excuse for a human

I seem to remember a few pages back you saying something about "this being the last you will hear from me on this topic" or some such??

The very next post was from you.. he he

oh well.. I'm off now.
He's on a crusade it would seem to dish out as much bad rep as possible for little or now reason. I think he's a very confused little boy.

[spudchucka]

Don't know where it came from, someone does...

Lets just keep dishing out bad rep to each other and see who makes the most disreputable first.

Now whos lowering their standard now? :msn-wink:
It was me dumbarse. In response to the nonsense bad rep point you dished out to me. Like I said before, if you want to dish it out willy-nilly be prepared to receive it in return. Karma slap! :wavey:

[inlinefour]

He's on a crusade it would seem to dish out as much bad rep as possible for little or now reason. I think he's a very confused little boy.

But from what I have read from you, you'd appear to be an angry person with a badge who will not take criticism, thinks that you can do whatever you want and complain about insults while dishing them out with the other hand. The Police I feel have a responsibility to improve their standards, but with people like you I have to wonder if that is actually possible :doh:

[spudchucka]

I have worked with some absolute wankers in the Police as well as some very good guys. Alot of cops do have an attitude which reflects badly on all the rest. There are always bad eggs, however the organisation is a lot better at weeding them out these days.


Some of the problem is that guys join at 19 without any life experiance, work and socialise within the Police and end up with a warped sense of reality and inflated idea of their own importance.Not so much these days, the average age for recruitment is late 20's - early 30's. There has been one wing of cadets made up of people in that age bracket in the last few years but they aren't about to recruit heaps of people age 19 and under. On my wing the oldest guy was 46 and the youngest was 24, the average age was about 32.

[Sniper]

But from what I have read from you, you'd appear to be an angry person with a badge who will not take criticism, thinks that you can do whatever you want and complain about insults while dishing them out with the other hand. The Police I feel have a responsibility to improve their standards, but with people like you I have to wonder if that is actually possible :doh:

And Honda, with people like you its funny that they cant change their attitudes because I gaurentee (sp?) that you will exploit the change for your own benefit if they do.

Police have to take a hard line to keep the socially deranged people in line. Funny how peoples attitude change when they cant have their own way

[Biff]

This is not the thread to post in if your looking for rep points it it?

I've just received negative rep points, depite the fact that the person who took them away said I made a good point? Sarcasm maybe. :eyepoke:

[MSTRS]

I've come in contact with some gungho type cops & they do no-one any good but it seems to me that the definition of a 'good cop' is one that can tailor their approach to any situation in such a way as to do their job without making the situation worse. Honda & such perhaps need to look at their own behaviour for answers :Pokey:

[marty]

spud, you must be gutted that you got bad rep from honda. i mean, his opinion is so highly regarded.....

i had to have a lie down when he gave ME bad rep

[Lou Girardin]

Public approval of the Police surveys have been falling for a while now. Currently about 70% approval, it used to be 95% plus.
Strangely enough the number of people expressing no confidence in the Police is almost the same as the number ticketed each year ie approx 1.2 million.
We may not be able to do without cops, but they can't function properly without our support either, as they're finding out

[scumdog]

Public approval of the Police surveys have been falling for a while now. Currently about 70% approval, it used to be 95% plus.
Strangely enough the number of people expressing no confidence in the Police is almost the same as the number ticketed each year ie approx 1.2 million.
We may not be able to do without cops, but they can't function properly without our support either, as they're finding out

Where do these figure come from?

And YOU can't function without us either! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Jantar]

I tried joining the police force when I moved to NZ. I'd love to be a police officer. However, certain things prevented me from going any further than the initial presentation :angry: (no, not a criminal record dumbass :))

Now, where's that cot? hehehe

...certain things like - maybe your parents were already married when you were born?
:rolleyes:

(My apologies to the cops on this forum who do seem to be the decent ones.)

[scumdog]

...certain things like - maybe your parents were already married when you were born?
:rolleyes:

(My apologies to the cops on this forum who do seem to be the decent ones.)

Hmmm, being a bit presumtious here but apology accepted <_< :laugh:

[inlinefour]

And Honda, with people like you its funny that they cant change their attitudes because I gaurentee (sp?) that you will exploit the change for your own benefit if they do.

Police have to take a hard line to keep the socially deranged people in line. Funny how peoples attitude change when they cant have their own way

Its not about getting anyones way at all. I'm not sure what you or perhaps some others think from this thread, but I'll spell it out. Mentioned was an article found on www.xtramsn.co.nz about the lady cop that was assaulted. That was not the point as I think it sucked that she had that happen. The point I was trying to make was regarding the following part of the article:


The Police Association's Canterbury director Craig Prior says the street was full of people, but nobody went to Constable Cox's aid.

He is concerned the public perception of police officers has deteriorated over the past few years.

Now yes it was sad that no one did come to her aid, but from past experiences, perhaps not that surprising. Yes Craig is correct that the publics image of Police officers has deteriorated. However we see absolutely no effort made to change the internal problems and the external shite continues. Which is then in turn picked on by the media, and yes I know they do like to play Chinese wispers and screw the story so it resembles little thruth. But from the last six months or so the Police have been doing all sorts of stupid things, much of which I'm sure could not have happened. The lady that had the taxi called for her happened because she was known to the mental health service. The rural guy got smashed over without the chance of neighbours helping, at the Polices' hands and yet they appear to carry on, only apologising once it has been dragged through the media and all are to know. This shows a lack of responsibility, not being able to stand up and say "oh bugger we stuffed up". I'd also suspect that every time a Police officer needed to be investigated and a external investigation was done, less covering up and more charges against Police would result. And then there is Mr Spudchucker and you, totally oblivious to what is being said. Maybe its just because you don't like what is said, but that does not make it wrong. Yea I know I was going to stay out of it as I said before, but spud's comments just go to show that there is at least one out there with an attitude. All I can hope for is that the new Police officers learn form their elders mistakes, dont accept them and make those responsible, just that :brick:

[scumdog]

Just remember people, mistakes have been made by Police from time immemorial, not just in the last decade or 3-4 years, now the media seem on an agenda to expose as much of the mistakes as they can.

EVERYBODY screws up from time to time but a whole lot of you out there have a better chance of having the mistakes 'buried' and with a bit of luck nobody (let alone the media) will ever find out about them.

PS. Without bitches about bad cops, doing runners, getting tickets and being 'stopped without reason' this site would be a whole lot smaller eh?

[inlinefour]

Just remember people, mistakes have been made by Police from time immemorial, not just in the last decade or 3-4 years, now the media seem on an agenda to expose as much of the mistakes as they can.

EVERYBODY screws up from time to time but a whole lot of you out there have a better chance of having the mistakes 'buried' and with a bit of luck nobody (let alone the media) will ever find out about them.

PS. Without bitches about bad cops, doing runners, getting tickets and being 'stopped without reason' this site would be a whole lot smaller eh?

Funny thing is though, for all the whining and flack I've copped. I've never had a ticket or found myself outside the law (maybe passing cars?). How many others can say that, how many Police can say that and can Spud say that?

Anyway can we turn this thread into a beer talk or what?

[Sniper]

Anyway can we turn this thread into a beer talk or what?

Getting a bit hot under the collar Honda? :sly:

[Lou Girardin]

Just remember people, mistakes have been made by Police from time immemorial, not just in the last decade or 3-4 years, now the media seem on an agenda to expose as much of the mistakes as they can.

EVERYBODY screws up from time to time but a whole lot of you out there have a better chance of having the mistakes 'buried' and with a bit of luck nobody (let alone the media) will ever find out about them.

PS. Without bitches about bad cops, doing runners, getting tickets and being 'stopped without reason' this site would be a whole lot smaller eh?

Most of the media are reactive. They detect public concern about an issue and then worry it to death. If they didn't do their job, Arthur Alan Thomas would still be rotting in jail, Nixon may have won another term, etc.
Remember Scumdog, tolerance works both ways. There's a few thousand of you watching us, and a few million of us watching you.

[Blakamin]

Funny thing is though, for all the whining and flack I've copped. I've never had a ticket or found myself outside the law (maybe passing cars?). How many others can say that, how many Police can say that and can Spud say that?

Had 1 camera fine for doing 67 in a 60 zone that later got turned over when I proved I wasnt even in the state at the time... that was 16 years ago...
as for outside the law...

[inlinefour]

Getting a bit hot under the collar Honda? :sly:

According to the thermoter in my comp room its 27.4 degrees :bleh:

[inlinefour]

Most of the media are reactive. They detect public concern about an issue and then worry it to death. If they didn't do their job, Arthur Alan Thomas would still be rotting in jail, Nixon may have won another term, etc.
Remember Scumdog, tolerance works both ways. There's a few thousand of you watching us, and a few million of us watching you.

Thats the sort of thing I'm trying to get at... :apint:

[scumdog]

Most of the media are reactive. They detect public concern about an issue and then worry it to death. If they didn't do their job, Arthur Alan Thomas would still be rotting in jail, Nixon may have won another term, etc.
Remember Scumdog, tolerance works both ways. There's a few thousand of you watching us, and a few million of us watching you.

Are the media CREATIVE before becoming REACTIVE these days, I've not always been in htis job but always kept my 'eye in' and until less than a decade ago (nore like 5-6 years) they did not seem to be quite so ferverently 'reactive' as you would say.

As you said, millions vs thousands, it's no wonder we get a little defensive at times eh?

How often does the media splash across the cover of tomorrows fish'n'chip wrapper statements like "Motorcycle Salesman Lies to Six Customers in Less than a Month, Fraudulently Makes large Profit for Firm" or " Parts Salesman Sells Wrong Brake Part, Could have Caused Fatal Smash"? I know it seems trite but you can see where I'm coming from eh?

Still, MY pay goes in every fortnight and they ain't laying off cops due to a drop in crime yet!!

[Sniper]

According to the thermoter in my comp room its 27.4 degrees :bleh:

Damn, thats almost the temp in Picton :rockon:

[Hitcher]

Media are people too, just like us. The are affected by two major sins: cosyness and laziness. Know ye this and use it to your advantage...

[inlinefour]

Damn, thats almost the temp in Picton :rockon:

Fortunately opening the windows and a couple of DBs fix the problem. Ah Picton, Canterbury Draught is another one that I like and I'll be down the South Island for 3 weeks (and away from the comp :crazy: ) so I'll be able to sink a few and bring back lots...

[justsomeguy]

I don't think we should complain about getting tickets for speeding.

I shall gladly accept a ticket for speeding when I get caught and I will gladly pay it with a smile.

You see I've been accumulating a lot of value over the years......

So when I finally get pulled over.

I will take off my helmet.

Smile at the Sus domesticus (thats the scientifically correct name).

And say, "It's about fucking time mate" :ride:

[inlinefour]

I don't think we should complain about getting tickets for speeding.

I shall gladly accept a ticket for speeding when I get caught and I will gladly pay it with a smile.

You see I've been accumulating a lot of value over the years......

So when I finally get pulled over.

I will take off my helmet.

Smile at the Sus domesticus (thats the scientifically correct name).

And say, "It's about fucking time mate" :ride:

As a teenager I used to push my RD pretty hard and probably much over due for a ticket. However I'm pretty boring these days choosing to do the speed limit. However there ae plenty of places in NZ where doing the speed limit is blardy difficult or dangerous, but fun... :yes:

[ResidentAngel]

What happened to you? The male nurse offered inferior/inapproprite care?

Inferior Care .. very very inferior care! My understanding is that he couldnt cope with me, so instead of doing his job, he avoided me, repeatedly, over a long period of time, so that I couldnt access the medical care I need (as he was one of the gatekeepers).

[**R1**]

PS. Without bitches about bad cops, doing runners, getting tickets and being 'stopped without reason' this site would be a whole lot smaller eh?
so would my ego :laugh: :devil2:

[spudchucka]

And then there is Mr Spudchucker and you, totally oblivious to what is being said. Maybe its just because you don't like what is said, but that does not make it wrong.
No, I just don't like you because by your own admissions you are a shit stirrer and therefore your comments / opinions are worthless.

[inlinefour]

No, I just don't like you because by your own admissions you are a shit stirrer and therefore your comments / opinions are worthless.

This is becoming tedious and boring spud. Yes I may have done some like the "If its a Honda I'll ride it", but in this instance the thread was regarding an issue that is up for discussion. You like some Police might prefer to bury you head in the sand, pretend the problem does not exsist and end up blaming others. But it does not help nor change the real issues. Your just another individual who does not like being pulled up for your short commings and are also quite obnoctious :Pokey:

[duckman]

pulled up for your short commings :


Is it just me or is that phrase ... ALL WRONG :lol:

[inlinefour]

Is it just me or is that phrase ... ALL WRONG :lol:

Pass, its just a saying that I grew up with. Not that my spelling is that good :Offtopic:

[duckman]

Just trying to lightne the topic up a little ... :niceone:

[spudchucka]

TYour just another individual who does not like being pulled up for your short commings and are also quite obnoctious :Pokey:
You have no idea about any of my short commings, you are generalising simply because of my occupation. If you want to lay into people about being obnoxious then go have a talk to WINJA and R1AaronKDX, a couple of true vulgarians. You as well can be pretty obnoxious so you shouldn't now turn around and pretend to be some sort of moral standards commitee.

[inlinefour]

You have no idea about any of my short commings, you are generalising simply because of my occupation. If you want to lay into people about being obnoxious then go have a talk to WINJA and R1AaronKDX, a couple of true vulgarians. You as well can be pretty obnoxious so you shouldn't now turn around and pretend to be some sort of moral standards commitee.

Not able to see past ones own nose? You alot of shit slinging yourself and when your bailed up about it, well read the above folks. You have totally got it all wrong. Its nothing about any generalisation, merely from what you have posted on this thread. That and that alone has generated my opinion of you, nothing else. I'm not interested in any such commitee, in fact I doubt if anyone here would be. I've just placed a topic for discussion and your still ranting... :Playnice:

[Sniper]

You alot of shit slinging yourself

Me understand saying what not you :doh:

[justsomeguy]

How many of you think Honda, Winja, Spudchucka and Scumdog are all lovers? :love2: :love2: :love2:

[scumdog]

How many of you think Honda, Winja, Spudchucka and Scumdog are all lovers? :love2: :love2: :love2:

Can't speak for the rest but of course I am - and a pretty good one too according to Mrs SD. :banana: :yes:

Are you not one yourself? or do trolls not get to be lovers? :sly:

[justsomeguy]

:lol:

hAVE A GREAT DAY.......

[WINJA]

How many of you think Honda, Winja, Spudchucka and Scumdog are all lovers? :love2: :love2: :love2:
WELL DUH OF COURSE I AM , JUST ASK YOUR MUM, SHE CANT GET ENOUGH OF ME. I LIKE HAVING YOUR MUM AROUND , I GOT A BAD BACK AND THE DOCTOR TOLD ME NOT TO LIFT ANYTHING HEAVY, SO SHE HELPS ME PEE

[justsomeguy]

Well well,

So you like my mum?

Can we meet? I'd like to meet someone my mum likes so much.

You in Auckland? There's a ride this Sunday we could catch up then?

What see you Sunday?

[WINJA]

Well well,

So you like my mum?

Can we meet? I'd like to meet someone my mum likes so much.

You in Auckland? There's a ride this Sunday we could catch up then?

What see you Sunday?
OK ILL BRING MY RIDE ON MOWER SO YOU CAN KEEP UP

[justsomeguy]

OK ILL BRING MY RIDE ON MOWER SO YOU CAN KEEP UP

Thank you, I'll do my best to keep up.

So I have your word then that you will be there.

See you this Sunday at the Manurewa gardens..... you'll be the guy on the lawnmower.

Look forward to meeting you :banana:

[justsomeguy]

WELL DUH OF COURSE I AM , JUST ASK YOUR MUM, SHE CANT GET ENOUGH OF ME. I LIKE HAVING YOUR MUM AROUND , I GOT A BAD BACK AND THE DOCTOR TOLD ME NOT TO LIFT ANYTHING HEAVY, SO SHE HELPS ME PEE

Hey by the way why do you need my mum to help you pee? Are you presently in the emergency department in greenlane hospital where she volunteers? Or do you live in an old age home in the central auckland area and get your food through the Red Cross meals on wheels program for which she is a delivery driver? Or do you have cancer? Cos she's a volunteer for the cancer society too.

I hope your back gets better, either way see you Sunday........ we can then talk about each others families face to face and have some nice deep meaninful conversations ....... OK

[**R1**]

You have no idea about any of my short commings, you are generalising simply because of my occupation. If you want to lay into people about being obnoxious then go have a talk to WINJA and R1AaronKDX, a couple of true vulgarians. You as well can be pretty obnoxious so you shouldn't now turn around and pretend to be some sort of moral standards commitee.
Fuck you....i aint no "vulgarian"....im Dutch....WTF is a vulgarian????
But im an obnoxious bastard for sure :yes: :yes:

[WINJA]

Hey by the way why do you need my mum to help you pee? Are you presently in the emergency department in greenlane hospital where she volunteers? Or do you live in an old age home in the central auckland area and get your food through the Red Cross meals on wheels program for which she is a delivery driver? Or do you have cancer? Cos she's a volunteer for the cancer society too.

I hope your back gets better, either way see you Sunday........ we can then talk about each others families face to face and have some nice deep meaninful conversations ....... OK
OK LOVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[2_SL0]

I've never had any problems at all with Male police officers. The females on the other hand... well. I'll just say that if I end up in the situation of dealing with the police again, I think i'll be asking to speak to a guy.


I can just see that going down well, lmao. "No Miss Im not sexist, honest, just every time I deal with a women police officer its goes bad. NO NO, theres no need for the handcuffs"

Later in the back of the squad car, "See I told you every time I deal with a women officer it goes bad"
:2thumbsup

[scumdog]

Hey by the way why do you need my mum to help you pee? Are you presently in the emergency department in greenlane hospital where she volunteers? Or do you live in an old age home in the central auckland area and get your food through the Red Cross meals on wheels program for which she is a delivery driver? Or do you have cancer? Cos she's a volunteer for the cancer society too.

I hope your back gets better, either way see you Sunday........ we can then talk about each others families face to face and have some nice deep meaninful conversations ....... OK

Ladies, ladies, a little niceness please?

[inlinefour]

Me understand saying what not you :doh:

Me too. :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

[inlinefour]

How many of you think Honda, Winja, Spudchucka and Scumdog are all lovers? :love2: :love2: :love2:

So the misses says... :banana:

[avgas]

ok i speed read that and i got:
95%......mum.....sunday......ride on mower......cops
what a twisted story ended up in my head.
I just realised something though, police public image........in reference to what? superhero's?

[StoneChucker]

I can just see that going down well, lmao. "No Miss Im not sexist, honest, just every time I deal with a women police officer its goes bad. NO NO, theres no need for the handcuffs"

Later in the back of the squad car, "See I told you every time I deal with a women officer it goes bad"
:2thumbsup
Maybe it's got something to do with the fact that he stares at their cleavage, and drifts off into a dream world of police outifts, handcuffs and fingerprint ink/paint. The officer probabaly takes his not answering as refusing to answer/be cooperative? ;)

[mikey]

How many of us who aren't would like to be Police officers?

How many of us REALLY believe that taking the "law" into our own hands when we probably have no idea what we're doing or why is a good idea?

When we REALLY need them to help and they do, how many of us think that the Police are a bunch of useless pigs?

How many of us REALLY believe that anarchy is a realistic solution to an under-resourced Police force?

Rant over.


I want to be a copper....

[justsomeguy]

I want to be a copper....

Good on you mate :Police:

I think there are a lot of PIGs out there,absolute bastards that need to be castrated and have their eyes burnt........

But among those tens of thousands of vile wretched pigs there are many million cops....... guys and girls who are in real life as much of a hero or heroine as any comic book character is in the comic world.

These people put their life on the line so that we ungrateful lard buckets can sleep well at night.

As you sit in your beautiful bedroom reading this think of the cop standing out in the cold in the rain, for hours walking around dark alleys and other places you forever avoid.

[scumdog]

I want to be a copper....

mikey, you've turned the other cheek!! Or are you once again trolling??

[scumdog]

Hey, just thought about something, who says cops NEED a public image anyway??? :unsure:

[scumdog]

Good on you mate :Police:

I think there are a lot of PIGs out there,absolute bastards that need to be castrated and have their eyes burnt........

But among those tens of thousands of vile wretched pigs there are many million cops....... guys and girls who are in real life as much of a hero or heroine as any comic book character is in the comic world.

These people put their life on the line so that we ungrateful lard buckets can sleep well at night.

As you sit in your beautiful bedroom reading this think of the cop standing out in the cold in the rain, for hours walking around dark alleys and other places you forever avoid.

and has to 'tactfully' explain how somebody hung themselves to a loved one.etc etc. - (sorry, on the 'Famous Grouse' tonight)

[justsomeguy]

Hey, just thought about something, who says cops NEED a public image anyway??? :unsure:


They don't; it's just that Honda and Winja are highly talented when it comes to starting successful(where people keep and keep posting) threads.

[justsomeguy]

and has to 'tactfully' explain how somebody hung themselves to a loved one.etc etc. - (sorry, on the 'Famous Grouse' tonight)

Considering you guys do that for a living...... meaning you will be "explaining" 1000's of times more than Joe Smith does in his lifetime........

:first:
:first:
:first:
:first:
:first:

[scumdog]

They don't; it's just that Honda and Winja are highly talented when it comes to starting successful(where people keep and keep posting) threads.

Right, now the gloves are off, I'll tell you about the 80 year old I gave a ticket to for doing 58km in her Daihatsu Charade and the Boy Scout I did for having a knife in a public place and the blind guy I did for littering when he dropped a snowtex and the spastic I did for blocking the footpath.....

[Jamezo]

Hey, just thought about something, who says cops NEED a public image anyway??? :unsure:

I thought this whole thread was started on the premise that it was the supposed negative public image of the police force that caused an officer to be ignored while under attack? (longest grammatically correct sentence evar!?!) maybe it's the, err, Grouse. :niceone:

[justsomeguy]

Right, now the gloves are off, I'll tell you about the 80 year old I gave a ticket to for doing 58km in her Daihatsu Charade and the Boy Scout I did for having a knife in a public place and the blind guy I did for littering when he dropped a snowtex and the spastic I did for blocking the footpath.....

Well, well at face value you seem like a nasty cop..... but then:

Hey maybe the old hag was doing it near a school just after it finished and there were kids everywhere.

Was the Boy Scout using his knife in a dangerous manner endangering the public?

Did the blind guy purposely drop the snowtex? Just because they are blind doesn't mean they don't have some sense of where things are.....

And did the guy get spastic by chaining himself to a tree next to building that was being torn down to construct something else....... or by exhibiting some other tree hugging demeanour.

You know sometimes when people slag off cops I am reminded of those people who demand better rights for prisoners. WTF!!! Prison is supposed to be a bad place. If you don't want to go to prison don't commit any crime. If you don't want a speeding ticket don't *what is it* read, feed, breed, ????? Oh yeah: speed.

Anyway Scumdog go on I always love a good story.

[scumdog]

I thought this whole thread was started on the premise that it was the supposed negative public image of the police force that caused an officer to be ignored while under attack? (longest grammatically correct sentence evar!?!) maybe it's the, err, Grouse. :niceone:

Yes, a bit of an unfortunate incident, however if you read Lou Gerardins posts you will think it is a kick-back to the "rigourous" (sp) issuing of traffic tickets, if that is the case then the public are more empty headed and vacuous (sp) than I give them credit for.

Sorry aboot the spellin' it's the Famous Grouse ya ken.

[justsomeguy]

I thought this whole thread was started on the premise that it was the supposed negative public image of the police force that caused an officer to be ignored while under attack? (longest grammatically correct sentence evar!?!) maybe it's the, err, Grouse. :niceone:

No, I believe this whole thread was started by people who console their lack of self-worth by rejecting authority and using situations like that faced by the female officer and by simply trying to take advantage of some people’s prejudices towards stereotypes created by Hollywood and the tabloid media in order to incite similar feelings from similarly minded people and elicit arguments from those that still retain their sanity. However, if truth were told, all that is achieved is a banal display of their ignorance and naivety.

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=justsomeguy]No, I believe this whole thread was started by people who console their lack of self-worth by rejecting authority and using situations like that faced by the female officer and by simply trying to take advantage of some people’s prejudices towards stereotypes created by Hollywood and the tabloid media in order to incite similar feelings from similarly minded people and elicit arguments from those that still retain their sanity. However, if truth were told, all that is achieved is a banal display of their ignorance and naivety. [/QUOTE

Far, far too much for a Famous Grouse addled old bastard to comprehend but it sounds pretty damn good!!!!

[spudchucka]

You alot of shit slinging yourself
You gaging were for it. So you complain don't get what you asked when for.

[spudchucka]

I want to be a copper....
Dream on...........

[spudchucka]

Hey, just thought about something, who says cops NEED a public image anyway??? :unsure:
Lou does?????????

[scumdog]

C'mon justsomeguy, what makes you think Honda and I have a crush on each other eh? <_<
You might have editted the original post but Honda and I want a bit of justice and you have to tell us where you get such spurious information from huh? huh? :confused:

Never met Honda and considering the lack of contact on this site we've had you better have a good story dude!! :shifty:

[justsomeguy]

C'mon justsomeguy, what makes you think Honda and I have a crush on each other eh? <_<
You might have editted the original post but Honda and I want a bit of justice and you have to tell us where you get such spurious information from huh? huh? :confused:

Never met Honda and considering the lack of contact on this site we've had you better have a good story dude!! :shifty:




Just being sarcastic


You guys always have something to say to each other.......or about each other........



You might have editted the original post but Honda and I want a bit of justice and you have to tell us

Now unless I'm mistaken you're talking collectively about you and Honda together as though both of you have the same feelings here. Hmmm......... you know what they say: opposites attract.

No I didn't edit the original post...... not much to say anyway......

But WINJA got rather aroused (as usual) started with the YOUR MAMA jokes straight away. Come on winja be original for a change....

No comment yet from Honda........ where are you man......?

[scumdog]

Just being sarcastic

You guys always have something to say to each other.......or about each other........

And you know what they say: opposites attract,

No I didn't edit the original post...... not much to say anyway......

But WINJA got rather aroused (as usual) started with the YOUR MAMA jokes straight away. Come on winja be original for a change....

No comment yet from Honda........ where are you man......?

Yeah, but I bet it caught you by surprise to get your 'weights put up' at this time of night, eh? eh? <_<

[justsomeguy]

Uh can you re-read it please I edited some bits to further highlight my point.......

As for the this time of the night, thing.......... I can safely say we both are running on nearly dead batteries:thud:

But the fact that you are thinking about this subject at this time of the night........ :msn-wink:

[justsomeguy]

:spudwhat: Where are those blessed sleeping pills :spudwhat:

[scumdog]

Uh can you re-read it please I edited some bits to further highlight my point.......

As for the this time of the night, thing.......... I can safely say we both are running on nearly dead batteries:thud:

But the fact that you are thinking about this subject at this time of the night........ :msn-wink:

Just a general wind-up!! :bleh:

Your original post only mentioned the two of us so thought I'd hold it and then bring it up MUCH later. (like now!) :sneaky2:

I'm starting work at 8pm today so have lots of 'spare' time. :sly:

[Sniper]

I want to be a copper....

You want to troll and catch attention before you slag everything :argh:

[Sniper]

No, I believe this whole thread was started by people who console their lack of self-worth by rejecting authority and using situations like that faced by the female officer and by simply trying to take advantage of some people’s prejudices towards stereotypes created by Hollywood and the tabloid media in order to incite similar feelings from similarly minded people and elicit arguments from those that still retain their sanity. However, if truth were told, all that is achieved is a banal display of their ignorance and naivety.


Hehe, my brain just did a somersault :spudwave:

[inlinefour]

Don't worry about my sexual preference. I'm hetro and are also spoken for :hug:
I guess there are people here that think wanking with both hands is group sex??? :unsure:
On ya spud for the lack of tanty with yesterdays postings. Maybe there is hope for ya. Oh and no I don't mind recieving it at all :rockon:
I do however think that it is very important for the NZ Police to have a good rapport with the public. One would have to wonder why some people would suggest other wise :doh:
Oh and I did not think I was successfull in starting threads, nor do I wish to be. The weather is great in the naki, the bike is going well and Honda will not be posting much at all while these factors remain...

[Sniper]

I guess there are people here that think wanking with both hands is group sex??? :unsure:


Ummmm, no that just means that we (they) are bigger than others :blink: :whistle:

[Jamezo]

Oh and no I don't mind recieving it at all :rockon:

yeah, I figured as much...

TAKE IT WEETBIX! TAKE IT! :yeah:

[spudchucka]

I do however think that it is very important for the NZ Police to have a good rapport with the public. One would have to wonder why some people would suggest other wise :doh:
If you have genuine concerns try writing to the minister of police or your local MP instead of trolling on a web site for bikers. You were just seizing upon an opportunity to do some stirring and then you wonder why you find yourself on the receiving end.

As far as I'm aware no one has suggested that police do not need to maintain a good raport with the public. I however have no interest in mainting a good raport with a shit stirring troller on a internet forum. :kick:

Just a reminder Honda, here's how you started this thread off..


Note to the Police. Sort yer shite attitudes out. You will recieve respect once it is earnt, but as of yet you aint earnt ANY!!!! :moon:

[Blakamin]

I
Just a reminder Honda, here's how you started this thread off..
Maybe that could be the letter to the minister or his MP.......

[spudchucka]

But you clearly have no idea on this one matey...
Just going back through the crap in this thread and if you are upset about this one then go have a look at sections 39, 40, 41 & 48 of the Crimes Act 1961, which relate to use of force. Heres the link for ya.

http://www.legislation.co.nz/browse_vw.asp?content-set=pal_statutes

Then you might understand why the following comment by yourself was taken by me as you showing your complete ignorance on that particular topic. Not to mention a general lack of knowledge or understanding of any of the wider issues involved.


The only law I am aware of that says you can assault someone is if they are attempting suicide, then you can use any force required to stop the person :Playnice:


Because on this occasion I am aware of what the law states and it just goes to show that some people that think they are allways are right, aint :doh:
As per above.


Cure, that I can think of.
Quote:
Originally Posted by R1AaronKDX
ditto, those fuckers should have there eye lids cut off and there eyes filled with sand, and their pecka stitched to their forehead, thats just for starters....fuck they piss me off...and wots worse is the fuckers get away with it...


A wee surgical removal of what ever the wankers have between the legs, place in prison with the general inmates and clearly letting the general population know what the person is in prison for
More reasoned debate from R1AaronKDX and Honda.

[Blakamin]

Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.
thats bloody stupid... (might have to watch my road-rage now coz I reckon if some dick tries to run me off the road, I believe its reasonable to PunchTheirFuckinHeadIn!) self defense!!!

[spudchucka]

thats bloody stupid... (might have to watch my road-rage now coz I reckon if some dick tries to run me off the road, I believe its reasonable to PunchTheirFuckinHeadIn!) self defense!!!
Well the subjective test of course is to consoder what any other "reasonable" person would consider as "reasonable" force, in the circumstances. For instance, the members of a jury who might be pondering your guilt or innocence having been charged with pounding some idiots face into a gooey, bloody pulp because he cut you off.

Its better to just swear and curse and take up the black art of voodoo, get your revenge incognito. :sly:

[inlinefour]

If you have genuine concerns try writing to the minister of police or your local MP instead of trolling on a web site for bikers. You were just seizing upon an opportunity to do some stirring and then you wonder why you find yourself on the receiving end.

As far as I'm aware no one has suggested that police do not need to maintain a good raport with the public. I however have no interest in mainting a good raport with a shit stirring troller on a internet forum. :kick:

Just a reminder Honda, here's how you started this thread off..

Thats how I ended that particular post. Perhaps you need to read the rest also to get the wider picture? I'm not trolling, just interested in what others think also. Its only considered shit stirring when someone reacts to it like you have :whocares:

[inlinefour]

Well the subjective test of course is to consoder what any other "reasonable" person would consider as "reasonable" force, in the circumstances. For instance, the members of a jury who might be pondering your guilt or innocence having been charged with pounding some idiots face into a gooey, bloody pulp because he cut you off.

Its better to just swear and curse and take up the black art of voodoo, get your revenge incognito. :sly:

I like to think that fate will sort them out eventually through no actual action required by the person who has been cut off. Might not be for several years, but my confidence in a force from higher above is occasionally reinforced when some wanker getting what they deserve :bash:

[MSTRS]

HAWKES BAY TODAY TOP STORY: Body stayed on beach while cop manned speed camera
21.01.2005

Chris Gardner
Rescue services left waiting with a drowned man were told police could not attend the Ocean Beach scene - but the man who pulled the body from the waves passed an officer with a speedgun up the road soon after.

Roger Parr, who pulled the body of 79-year-old Havelock North man Jeremiah Henley from the surf at Ranaika with a friend on Saturday, spotted an officer on speed camera duty just minutes from Ocean Beach after being told police were not available after a 40-minute wait.
Ocean Beach Kiwi Surf Patrol was on the scene before Mr Parr, of Napier, and his friend had pulled Mr Henley out.
The Lowe Corporation Rescue Helicopter also responded - taking the body away when they learned police were not coming.
"We waited 40 minutes for the police to come and do their part. Nobody was available to come to the scene of an unexplained death, or to get an account of what had taken place," Mr Parr said.
He thought police must have been busy dealing with essential matters elsewhere, but then saw a police officer with a speedgun about 3km from the scene of the drowning - at the Ocean Beach Road intersection with Waimarama Road.
"I was distressed to see this policeman sitting there in his car and pointing his little speedgun down the road," Mr Parr, patient care co-ordinator at Cranford Hospice, said.
"How can it be that the death of a person is downgraded to such a point of insignificance that it does not warrant any response from the police because they are too busy trying to hand out fines up the road?"
He did not hear from police until Monday, when an officer asked him to go to the Hastings police station and give his statement.
"It would seem that, increasingly, the only way to access any service from the police is to drive at 111km per hour on the open road."
Hastings area commander Inspector Dean Clifford said given the circumstances and staff available he was "happy with how the police staff dealt with this very unfortunate event".
The officer Mr Parr saw was a Road Policing Group member dealing with a crash on Ocean Beach Road, which was experiencing heavy traffic.
"Deployment of resources are made based on the information at hand and, unfortunately, at times those decisions may not meet the expectations of the people involved."
Mr Clifford did not supply details of the crash. A Hastings firestation spokesperson told Hawke's Bay Today that the fire service did not attend any crash in Ocean Beach Road that afternoon.
Mr Henley, a widower, was to be farewelled today at St Luke's Anglican Church in Havelock North.

I lifted this verbatim from our evening newspaper. I think it amply demonstrates that the cops actually to go out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot. Another great leap DOWN the scale of respect. :puke: :Police: :bs: :finger:

[scumdog]

HAWKES BAY TODAY TOP STORY: Body stayed on beach while cop manned speed camera
21.01.2005

Chris Gardner
Rescue services left waiting with a drowned man were told police could not attend the Ocean Beach scene - but the man who pulled the body from the waves passed an officer with a speedgun up the road soon after.



Church in Havelock North.

I lifted this verbatim from our evening newspaper. I think it amply demonstrates that the cops actually to go out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot. Another great leap DOWN the scale of respect. :puke: :Police: :bs: :finger:

O.K., HAD an officer attended would the outcome have been any different?

Regardless, I hope it gets chased up to see who is telling the porkies- and from how high up.

[spudchucka]

Thats how I ended that particular post. Perhaps you need to read the rest also to get the wider picture? I'm not trolling, just interested in what others think also. Its only considered shit stirring when someone reacts to it like you have :whocares:
I've read them all and my opinion hasn't changed. You haven't said anything that others haven't said before you. People who stir or have an axe to grind keep pulling the same old shit up over and over again. Its a bit like a relay race where you pass the baton on to the next stirrer.

[MSTRS]

O.K., HAD an officer attended would the outcome have been any different?

Regardless, I hope it gets chased up to see who is telling the porkies- and from how high up.
You may as well say the same of a murder.
The assumption is the man drowned accidently, therefore I would not expect the police to be obliged to attend. But if the death was not observed/could have been the result of other than accident, then the Police have to attend??
Someone is definitely telling big ones in this instance, and my money is not on the newspaper, Mr Parr or the Fire Service. The slant of the article bears up what most people I know are saying. Can't get a cop when you need one, but can't avoid them on our roads. The message is not even subtle anymore.

[inlinefour]

I've read them all and my opinion hasn't changed. You haven't said anything that others haven't said before you. People who stir or have an axe to grind keep pulling the same old shit up over and over again. Its a bit like a relay race where you pass the baton on to the next stirrer.

Some people will never believe anything but themself and allways rubbish things that they will not or can not agree with. Then there are those who just point the finger back at those who mention the issues and find some reason to bad mouth them...

[inlinefour]

Mr SpudI'mgonnathrowaChuckeratyou and co. I'm not recieving some pretty good rep points where as its pretty clear that the few neg ones are coming from your way. I think that its a clear indication that others might actually agree with at least some of what I say? :doh:

[spudchucka]

[COLOR=Blue]HAWKES BAY TODAY TOP STORY: Body stayed on beach while cop manned speed camera
21.01.2005
Issues with this story;

1: Speed cameras are usually operated by non-sworn, semi retired members of police. If it was a speed camera the guy saw down the road the jocker operating it would not have been able to do anything other than be another rubber necker.

2: If the cop down the road was operating a radar or a laser and was a sworn member that was not engaged in any other urgent duty then that is apalling.

3: The fact that the news article reports the cop seen as being operating a "speed gun" and then in the next sentence says it was a "officer on speed camera duty" suggests that the reporter has not done their homework very well.

4: "The Lowe Corporation Rescue Helicopter also responded - taking the body away when they learned police were not coming". I find this a little hard to believe that the chopper would remove the body prior to police attendance. Goes very much against all sudden death protocols.

5: "How can it be that the death of a person is downgraded to such a point of insignificance that it does not warrant any response from the police because they are too busy trying to hand out fines up the road?" I couldn't agree more and if this was actually the case then people need their butts kicked.

6: If the cop seen was in fact attending to a traffic crash and there were issues regarding safety then he was right to stay to attend to that. Its not going to make any difference to the dead guy on the beach.

7: "Mr Clifford did not supply details of the crash. A Hastings firestation spokesperson told Hawke's Bay Today that the fire service did not attend any crash in Ocean Beach Road that afternoon". It is easy enough to find out if he's lying about the crash. If he lied he's in deep poo.


I lifted this verbatim from our evening newspaper. I think it amply demonstrates that the cops actually to go out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot. Another great leap DOWN the scale of respect. :puke: :Police: :bs: :finger:

No disrespect intended but to me it looks like another poorly investigated and poorly reported incident that simply contributes to feelings of ill will. If a subsequent investigation shows that there were no units available and the cop 3kms down the road was in fact dealing with a traffic crash will the paper be making a retraction and publishing the actual facts. I doubt it! Why not? Because it doesn't make good copy and would not get past the editors desk. But sending the reporters out to find more half truth dirt will sell papers.

[spudchucka]

Mr SpudI'mgonnathrowaChuckeratyou and co. I'm not recieving some pretty good rep points where as its pretty clear that the few neg ones are coming from your way. I think that its a clear indication that others might actually agree with at least some of what I say? :doh:
You only got bad rep from me when you dished it out to me first. I've given you two, the same that you have given me. Like I said to you, if you want to play that silly bloody game then we'll see who ends up on the red list first. I don't give a rats arse about rep points, in fact I think its one thing that lets the site down but if you want to play silly buggers with me then I'll line up and play silly buggers back.

[spudchucka]

Some people will never believe anything but themself and allways rubbish things that they will not or can not agree with. Then there are those who just point the finger back at those who mention the issues and find some reason to bad mouth them...
You're making less sense as this drags on!

[Lou Girardin]

It seems clear from the report that the cop was operating laser.
Attending a non-existant accident, that's a new one. If you're going to lie, try and make sure you're not easily caught out.

[scumdog]

Issues with this story;

1: Speed cameras are usually operated by non-sworn, semi retired members of police. If it was a speed camera the guy saw down the road the jocker operating it would not have been able to do anything other than be another rubber necker.

2: If the cop down the road was operating a radar or a laser and was a sworn member that was not engaged in any other urgent duty then that is apalling.

3: The fact that the news article reports the cop seen as being operating a "speed gun" and then in the next sentence says it was a "officer on speed camera duty" suggests that the reporter has not done their homework very well.

4: "The Lowe Corporation Rescue Helicopter also responded - taking the body away when they learned police were not coming". I find this a little hard to believe that the chopper would remove the body prior to police attendance. Goes very much against all sudden death protocols.

5: "How can it be that the death of a person is downgraded to such a point of insignificance that it does not warrant any response from the police because they are too busy trying to hand out fines up the road?" I couldn't agree more and if this was actually the case then people need their butts kicked.

6: If the cop seen was in fact attending to a traffic crash and there were issues regarding safety then he was right to stay to attend to that. Its not going to make any difference to the dead guy on the beach.

7: "Mr Clifford did not supply details of the crash. A Hastings firestation spokesperson told Hawke's Bay Today that the fire service did not attend any crash in Ocean Beach Road that afternoon". It is easy enough to find out if he's lying about the crash. If he lied he's in deep poo.

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I was going to post much the same points as Sc has made above but just couldn't be fagged, those in the know don't need telling and those not in the know won't believe anything other than usual negative sensational rhetoric that's bandied around at times like this.

[scumdog]

It seems clear from the report that the cop was operating laser.
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How do we KNOW that he was???

[scumdog]

Mr SpudI'mgonnathrowaChuckeratyou and co. I'm not recieving some pretty good rep points where as its pretty clear that the few neg ones are coming from your way. I think that its a clear indication that others might actually agree with at least some of what I say? :doh:

A little less of the "and co." stuff, be specific with who you direct your comments at dude eh? After all I don't direct comments at WINJA Honda and co.

[Blakamin]

Mr SpudI'mgonnathrowaChuckeratyou and co. I'm not recieving some pretty good rep points where as its pretty clear that the few neg ones are coming from your way. I think that its a clear indication that others might actually agree with at least some of what I say? :doh:
I think you will get a bit of a surprise when you become a senior member and see who gave you neg rep, Honda.

[spudchucka]

It seems clear from the report that the cop was operating laser.
Attending a non-existant accident, that's a new one. If you're going to lie, try and make sure you're not easily caught out.
Lou, if the Inspector has lied in such a public way he'll be toast. I've worked under the Supt in charge of the area and know he wouldn't tollerate that sort of carry on.

[Skunk]

I think you will get a bit of a surprise when you become a senior member and see who gave you neg rep, Honda.1 month to go...

[inlinefour]

You're making less sense as this drags on!

I've had enough of the mud slinging game, it gets pretty blardy boring and I would not be aware of the issue coming up before as I'm new to the site. Look if I have offended you as much as I think I have then I apologise. Point taken on the rep points. I guess if I aint got something nice to say==>>> :shutup:

[inlinefour]

I think you will get a bit of a surprise when you become a senior member and see who gave you neg rep, Honda.

At the end of the day I probably deserved it... :shutup:

[madboy]

If you don't mind me butting into this slanging match...

The police, and in particular the poor bastards on the front line, are on a hiding to nothing with public opinion. Firstly, people only remember the negatives. Who the hell remembers the last time someone said thank you, but you all remember the last time someone said f*** you. Human nature. Odds on when someone wants the police, it's usually for something fairly sedate like a house burglary or car nicked or so... which to that particular person is hugely important, but to the front-line cops is way down the list - particularly cos they're under-resourced and tackling whatever more immediate job they've got on their hands. Crime has changed over time, and cos most people haven't spent a lot of time dealing with either crime nor cops, they don't really have an understanding of just what it's like.

SO when the govt in its infinite wisdom (see - you can use govt and wisdom in the same sentence!!) decided that they should invest our dollars into traffic policing (which provides a very healthy financial return - these guys shoulda joined an investment bank!!) - guess where most people now see the police?

For the aforementioned minor offending, there is no resourcing. So average joe is mightily pissed when someone turns up to look at the space where his flatscreeen and dvd used to be, 24 hours later... particularly when a workmate had the day before taken his money for 116km/h on a three-lane empty stretch of mway, and he either a) didn't realise how fast he was going, or b) didn't think that particular speed in those conditions was dangerous, or c) didn't appreciate the lecture on road safety, or d) all of the above.

BUT does the poor bastard average 5-0 on general duties have any say in this? No. He's a good loyal staff member who does what his/her boss tells em to... just like most of us do, whether we think our boss is a complete jackass or not...

Don't get me wrong, I've struck some cops that I really wouldn't piss on if they were on fire... but i've struck some that were really nice about the whole deal as well.

Unfortunately, as i said above, it's the negatives that you remember, and that's where my reluctance to stop for a chat with them comes from.

[Jantar]

....Don't get me wrong, I've struck some cops that I really wouldn't piss on if they were on fire... but i've struck some that were really nice about the whole deal as well....


Right on with this comment. There are some decent cops out there, and there are also some arseholes. Unfortunately we often tend to remember the bad ones and not the good.

In the area that I live there is one cop who I know and respect, a few who I don't know and therefore will give them respect, and a few who I hold in complete contempt. The ones I don't respect are those who have a reputation of issuing to tickets to motorists when no offence has occured, trapping motorists into committing offences, or trolling carparks looking for unlicenced vehicles. This on the instruction of their recently retired Senior Sergent. (Scumdog will know who I'm referring to here.)

Just down the road in South Otago and Mosgiel Area I haven't yet met a cop who didn't deserve respect. Even the one who pulled my wife over for EBA (she deserved it) was bloody good about it. He saw that she got home safely, ensured our vehicle was safely parked and locked, then drove me the 45 km to pick it up.

Head over to the east to Palmerston, and I have only ever met cops who can be considered Bastards. Faricating offences etc.

In many parts of NZ cops get a good or bad name because of their actions, yet often their actions are dictated to them by more senior staff. So rather than put down the police in general, perhaps it would be fairer to identify the areas where police are helpful, and where they are public enemy No 1.