Keep Wellington motorcycling free - sign the petition!

[riffer]

Welly welly welly,i like the place# BUT. Good lord You must have one of the only towns that have free motorbike parking,there sure arnt any in the Bay,. What a carry on .next ya all wont chains ta tie down ya bikes,

TBH we could do without this sort of attitude mate. You sound like the people at my work who are bitching that "finally there will be some equality" for motorcyclists with cars.

[StoneY]

Welly welly welly,i like the place# BUT. Good lord You must have one of the only towns that have free motorbike parking,there sure arnt any in the Bay,. What a carry on .next ya all wont chains ta tie down ya bikes,

Wow the Bay sucks then...lets BIKOI it!

Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin all have free parking (although limited) and I believe in Auck's they allow bikes to 'share' a car space with a few basic rules to that.... Dave Clendon MP explained that to me two weeks ago in Parliaments cafeteria

Look, we are the HIGHEST paying road users in NZ as it is for vehicular capacity (2 persons max, 3 if sidecar) and reduce congestion immensley
The least they can do is recognise our pain with free parking

Worldwide many cities give free parking to motorcycles, Asussie (read Victoria) allow Motorcycles to use footpaths to park, there is a whole guideline booklet on the rules and protocols for this practise......

....sorry preaching to the converted again....


1248 signatures wooot!!!!!!

[bogan]

Welly welly welly,i like the place# BUT. Good lord You must have one of the only towns that have free motorbike parking,there sure arnt any in the Bay,. What a carry on .next ya all wont chains ta tie down ya bikes,

palmy has got fucking millions of em (and in preferential spots too) and I'd like to keep it that way. In the main part of town there is probably a bike park every 100m max, and we can park in car ones if we wanna pay or if they are free p60s or whatever (though with the abundance of bike parks that seems a little inconsiderate). Thats why I do all my shopping with a pack rack and cargo net instead of the cage

[Dustydog]

Just another thought. Lets know if it's time for a Thunder Ride outside parliament

[BMWST?]

Funny old thing... A guy at work was elected as a Councilor at elections. He and others are not impressed with the new 'Green' Mayor - Apparently she is extremely 'Blue-Green' with a strong focus on making money...

when you are facing a huge bill for the actions of others you may tend to focus on the money as well

[BMWST?]

It would be a good idea but they introduced a by-law to make this illegal after we tried it last time. Motorcycles CANNOT park in Welly car parks.

motorcycles cannot park in pay and display car parks,you can park in and use a metered space

[kerryhare]

Get a car - and a job, if you are shopping during work hours.

I to go shopping on my bike down here in ChCH. I do have a car and a job, but work hrs are not 8-5. I prefer to take my bike then I cant buy to much.

[jafar]

1313 as of now on the petition, a lot of out of towners (like me) have signed too.

I wonder if they will take the non wellington residents off the petition as we don't vote there??

[buellbabe]

.... they also tried telling me and Riffer Motorcycles are not reducing congestion because we crash too much, and we damage the environment because we dont have catalytic converters on enough bikes...OMG!

1300+ bikes a day, become cars if we have to pay.
(Ok slight exageration but you get the drift)
Bikes also can GARANTEE 50% occupancy, and the lane spliiting crowd DEFINITLEY assist traffic flow, legally or otherwise

Points we all know allready obviously

Too right Stoney!

I fully support you Welly bikers!

Just haven't authenticated my email yet...will do tho...

As for that preposterous statement regarding bikers adding to the congestion cos we crash too much... WTF?

In all the years I have travelled NZ roads in a car and on a bike I have encountered a fair amount of congestion due to someone up ahead having an accident.

NOT once has a bike EVER been involved.
Seriously. NEVER! Yea I realise it may happen occasionally but I have never witnessed a motorcycle holding up traffic cos they have rear-ended another vehicle!

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Signed... what goes round comes round...

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

1313 as of now on the petition, a lot of out of towners (like me) have signed too.

I wonder if they will take the non wellington residents off the petition as we don't vote there??

But we visit... now is a good time to get your big group of bikers and go and park in one car park each with the sign saying this is what will happen there will be less carparking...

add it all up people...

[BMWST?]

Stoney can you confirm if a bike is allowed to take a metered park?

[jafar]

But we visit... now is a good time to get your big group of bikers and go and park in one car park each with the sign saying this is what will happen there will be less carparking...

add it all up people...

We did that in auckland in 81 or thereabouts to protest the council ticketing 2 bikes in a carpark, they backed down after we took most of the parks in queen street. There were a lot of unhappy car drivers that day

[buellbabe]

Yep! it ain't rocket science.

[riffer]

... they also tried telling me and Riffer Motorcycles are not reducing congestion because we crash too much, and we damage the environment because we dont have catalytic converters on enough bikes...OMG!

Since Brent's already mentioned it... BRONZ's original ePetition contained the following words:

BRONZ notes with concern that Council is considering this position on motorcycle parking in the central area. Motorcycles play a vital role in reducing traffic congestion and environmental damage and pollution.

This was rejected on the following grounds:Council considers this to be incorrect information because of the following reasons:

1) Council is not currently considering this position, rather it is reviewing its policies around motorcycle parking with a view to enter into public consultation regarding this topic.
2) Research has shown that collectively motorcycles do not reduce overall network congestion, largely due to the impact of serious accidents. Furthermore, although exhaust volumes are less, they are environmentally more damaging due to the toxicity of their exhaust (compared to cars with catalytic converters).

Therefore, with the current text we will have to reject to ePetition on the grounds of "containing inaccurate or misleading statements" http://www.wellington.govt.nz/haveyoursay/e-petitions/ep/createconditions/

[StoneY]

Stoney can you confirm if a bike is allowed to take a metered park?

Ask Nasty mate she would have direct access to this info far more quickly than I can find it :-)

[StoneY]

In all the years I have travelled NZ roads in a car and on a bike I have encountered a fair amount of congestion due to someone up ahead having an accident.

NOT once has a bike EVER been involved.
Seriously. NEVER! Yea I realise it may happen occasionally but I have never witnessed a motorcycle holding up traffic cos they have rear-ended another vehicle!

Bloody good point...neither have I, ya always see the off'ed bike at the roadside but never causing a lane to close like a cage incident does

[bogan]

2) Research has shown that collectively motorcycles do not reduce overall network congestion, largely due to the impact of serious accidents. Furthermore, although exhaust volumes are less, they are environmentally more damaging due to the toxicity of their exhaust (compared to cars with catalytic converters).

I'd be interested in seeing the research that shows we don't reduce network conjestion, don't suppose they were good enough to provide a reference? And the later depends on the scale of each, much less volume with slightly higher toxicity is still a win for the environment.

[oneofsix]

Bloody good point...neither have I, ya always see the off'ed bike at the roadside but never causing a lane to close like a cage incident does

seen it hold up traffic but really its the disco lights and rubberneckers that cause the hold-ups, the bike and rider are usually out the way. When it does happen it is far less often than with cages and for shorter time.

as to exhaust pollution modern bikes can't be far behind cages and the bike 'fleet' is more modern in general than the cages.

[Velocipede]

We need to present a united front to every local council in this country. We are already paying more than we should be as it is.

'Oh, its just because biker have more accidents...'

If that is the case, then why is registration cost increased based on engine CC and not rider crash history?

E.g. If I am an 'Invincible' 17 year old riding a 250 pocket rocket, why do I pay less than someone who has had an 1800cc Cruiser for forty years. And PROVEN they are a competent rider by the fact they are still breathing!

And Wellington City Council have (in my opinion) proven their incompetence with such a 'well thought out' proposal.