Note their plate, pop down the post office get their address... and write to them saying "I know where you live - don't do it again".Originally Posted by Ixion
I hand delivered my last request to the door... I believe it had the desired effect.
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Note their plate, pop down the post office get their address... and write to them saying "I know where you live - don't do it again".
I hand delivered my last request to the door... I believe it had the desired effect.
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Done that, too. But that is just transferring the confrontation. Mr Katman's argument is that bikers objecting to people trying to kill them may annoy said people. I suggest that they are going to be even more annoyed at said biker turning up on their door step and bleating. Either they'll be pissed off (which by Mr Katman's logic means they go out and try to kill yet more bikers) or, they regard your presence on your doorstep as a great giggle . After all , he tried to kill you. Didn't succeed , but obviously scared you a lot. And got his jollies off on that. Now you turn up and show him yet again, that his beahviour really frightened you. Which, to him, validates it. Sadists ENJOY the fact that they frightened you. Reinforcing that he succeeded means he will be more likely to try it again.
And, so, you deliver your "Don't do it again" letter. And said dude says "Yeah. Make me. I'll do just whatever I want. And if I want to run some crap arse motorbike off the road, that's just what I'm going to do. " Now what you going to do?
And posting them a letter? Geeze, that's REALLY going to make them think twice, isn't it.
Which said, such a response is a very good one for the cases where the endangerment arises from stupidity or negligence. The "Didn't give way"; "pulled out in front", " tried to change lanes on top of me" cases. But that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about the cagers who quite deliberately try to kill a biker. Not who do sometime careless, negligent or stupid. THAT happens to me several times a week. I either ignore it, or attempt to explain to the cager why what they did was so dangerous.
(Incidentally, I'd REALLY suggest that anyone intending to deliver such a letter in person make sure they take a good contingent of mates along. It is very very likely to get ugly)
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Frankly I have a feeling that 90% of the times anyone claims to have taken out a wingmirror it'll be some blow-hard who's shooting off their mouth... at least I hope that is the case. Because it is just too fucking stupid to even contemplate.
As for bullies, you don't counter bullying with bullying. If you show no fear the bully will become confused and back down. The effect of steadily seeking eye contact with an individual is not to be under estimated.
Of course there are the occassional near-miss that puts the shit up you - but in my experience the offender is guilty of nothing else than being either oblivious of their surroundings or just unable to operate their vehicle in a competent manner. As such there is no malice involved and countering the situation with violence accomplishes nothing.
As for BRONZ - the tidbits I've read in Kiwirider gave me the impression that they are just paranoid scare-mongers... a rather poor representation for the people I have met through biking to be honest.
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There are some people out there, paranoia aside, who need to take their rage out on someone, and I've experienced a few of those over the years. Ixion is bang on about that. Not showing fear and making eye contact - well, making eye contact is hostile, a bully will react, and I don't mean back down, you're not talking about dominance over a dog. The few that have tried it on over the years with me have come off second best. Sooner or later, someone will best me, there is inevitability at play.
My point is, avoid the confrontation at all costs, but when someone deliberately tries to take you out (and this does happen, I've been on the recieving end), then sometimes it's appropriate to let the rage out of the pit that it normally resides in. Next time that asshole could kill Natalie Newbie.
As for wing mirrors. It's tougher than it sounds, hitting it with your hand, even in gloves, hurts, and you risk breaking bones. I'm not much good with the boot though.
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I'd love to know how to do that. What would you suggest. As an Auckland commuter (especially travelling through suburbs such as Parnell and Remuera -- home of the most dangerous of drivers, the executive in a company car), I tend to come across more than a few of these numpties thinking of anything except the task at hand (i.e. driving). After avoiding the situation, I'm frequently left wondering... what now? Should I wave my fist? Yell obscenities? Tap on his window and start a conversation? Usually I just quietly make my way through traffic and get on with my journey, which is certainly a good method of self-preservation but often leaves the driver completely unaware anything happened at all (didn't see me when they pulled out -- didn't see me as I whizzed passed a few centimetres from their front bumper either).
How many hundreds of these incidents have I had in only a few years riding, despite best efforts to avoid them... I just put it down as part of the experience of riding in traffic. But if each time it happened, you could make that driver a little more aware next time?
How to educate? How do you do it?
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It requires nothing more than an outstretched upturned hand in a "What the fuck?" manner or pointing to your eyes indicating that they should use theirs.
Anything more is just perpetuating the Neanderthal Biker image that is doing us nothing but harm.
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Most of my mates and myself have always used the shaking head followed by finger repeatedly pointed at the cranial section, in most cases that usually gets an apologetic reaction from the wrongdoer (as well as providing light entertainment for the rest of the riders). The small amount of people that don't respond or give the blank stare often get a sign language version of what you'd probably refer to them as in real life....
These actions not only convey your displeasure at their idiocy but being a bit lighthearted also tend to help vent the steam from your helmet.
I must admit it's tempting at times to kick a mirror or a door etc., but Katman is right that this does nothing to help our image with the public at large.
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How about give them a free house, enough money to run a dumb car with a bean can exhaust, and no reason to work?
That'll teach them!!
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I've never kicked a door or taken out a mirror, but then I'm not a vandal and I respect other people's property, even if I have little respect for those people.
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i dont think i violent retaliation should ever be the preffered option, maybe if somebody is deliberately trying to take you out, but if it deliberate i wouldnt want to be hanging round a wing mirror, good way to get sideswipped, id wanna get the fuck outa there. Probably a good smack at the next stop lights would suffice though, i mean they are already trying to kill bikers so cant do any harm.
And for all the other occasions (99.9% of the time) when its a genuine mistake, a tut-tut finger or headshake is all that is necessary.
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Some twats threw a bottle of beer out their car which smashed in front of my bike with I had the missus on the back. Fight fire with fire.
But I spotted a drink driving police checkpoint up the road. Stopped and told them what had happened. Nothing came of it.
Should have just performed a mirrororectomy.
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Thing is though that no matter how outraged ya feel at that dopey fuck on the cellphone drinking mocha lattta ans swinging out in front of you He/shs is inside a couple of tonnes of steel. Dya really think that you are gonna come off better off in a physical confrontation.?
Reality is it doesn't matter what ya do fuckwits are still gonna be fuckwits. Its kinda like the anti smacking law the people its aimed at actually dont give a shit.
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avoid all cagers or take it to the track
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If you wave a fist at some chump who has just cut you off, what effect is this going to have exactly ? Really.. Come on, I'm interested to know.
I've been in vehicles with people who managed to not look where they are going and as a result cut some people off, were they apologetic when they got the one finger salute ??
Fuck no, they laughed and said "ahhh fuck off wanker". And I doubt very much that the attitude is going to be any different because we are motorcyclists. A fist wave and a kind word of warning isn't going to do fuck all. Just like whinging about it on the internet.
If someone endangers your life because of their stupidity and carelessness, fucking show them how it makes you feel, violent action or not, whatever you feel is warranted.
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"We need to reduce the number of irate drivers not create them." - Katman
Fair enough, but how do you propose to do this ? Fist waving ? Calling the cops ? A letter in the mail ? Roadside chemical neutering ? What ?
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