Speed and the law

[speedpro]

I agree with his 2 cents worth

[Paul in NZ]

Oh yeah, and you're a big effen pussy as well. Enjoy your threesome, and dont forget to register them every year.

Bwahahahahahaha!

[Wolf]

I resent your insinuation that I voted for those bastards!

I agree. I voted for sum bugga called "No Confidence" - he didn't get in tho.

[Funkyfly]

Due to reaction time and braking distance travelling at 100kph is often safer than 160kph, and travelling at 80kph is safer than 100kph, travelling at 40kph is safer than 80kph, but even better yet is that going 10kph is safer again!

So if you want your family to be as safe as possible you should put them in a big strong car with 100 airbags, and PUSH them!

Dont waste your breath knocking bikers who hit 160kph on a long straight streatch of road with only one other car on it, casue your gonna need as much air as you can get pushin your family around.

[madboy]

You mean you and only you voted for them? :spudwhat:

Nobody else on this site appears to be admitting they did!

I most certainly did not vote for those useless twats holding power in parliament. But in saying that, I don't think the useless twats I did vote for would do a whole heap about reigning in the LTNZ anyway. They might get a few slackers paying tax instead of living off it and perhaps remove a few of the ethnic advantages a minority of the population has, but I doubt they'd be silly enough to remove the cash cow that the LTNZ has the HP working hard on.

[Wolf]

I have ridden a Triumph ST where I thought I was getting on a bit at 100kph when I realised the speedo was in mph (ie 160kph) Because the bike was (to me) so damn good, I was going way faster than I thought!

However, even on a dreadfull old shitter like my Guzzi, if I was blindfolded I'd be hard pressed to 'feel' the difference between 100 and 140....

I can well believe that from my own experience - on an old 1 litre beemer, not a modern race machine, I couldn't feel the difference between 80km/h and 128km/h - not in perceived acceleration, handling or braking. Yet I've also owned bikes where you could feel the difference between 90 and 100km/h.

I've never exceeded 140km/h - CB550, and I could feel each additional km/h over 130 - but I dare say if I had a BMW R100 or similar in good condition I would be tempted to give it a few turns of the throttle under the right conditions... just to see if 160 "feels like 100".

[Indoo]

Personaly thinking back to my younger/stupider days im kinda agreeing with a few of you guys, but literally having to pick whats left of knee joints and other body parts off roads after high speed 'accidents' has certainly changed my mind.

Everyone thinks that they are safe travelling at high speed, because of course we are all the worlds best drivers.

However since having a family i view the roads as having a purpose of travelling to my destination and back again with our lives stilll intact.

You may wanna travel at 160kmh + but the simple fact remains that your chance of having an accident or failing to avoid one, increases at an incredible rate the faster you go

As far as im concerned people who purposely put others lives at risk by travelling at excessive speed are nothing more than scum. Get your jollys or your kicks from doing something that doesn't have an effect on other people,

If you hit me or my family cos your riding like a cock theres definately gonna be an 'accident'....

[Ixion]

Due to reaction time and braking distance travelling at 100kph is often safer than 160kph, and travelling at 80kph is safer than 100kph, travelling at 40kph is safer than 80kph, but even better yet is that going 10kph is safer again!

So if you want your family to be as safe as possible you should put them in a big strong car with 100 airbags, and PUSH them!

Dont waste your breath knocking bikers who hit 160kph on a long straight streatch of road with only one other car on it, casue your gonna need as much air as you can get pushin your family around.

The guaranteed survival speed for a car, let alone a bike is *very* low. About 10mph from memory. *Any* speed over that is dangerous to some extent.

Anyone really hung up about it should not ride a bike. Full stop. Because 100 kph is *NOT SAFE*. I really can't understand why people can't grasp this. Hit a solid object at 100kph and you will die. Therefore if you do ride a bike the only thing you can do is *not hit things*.

This is why the "faster you go the bigger the mess" argument is flawed. Sure, impact energy at 160kph is greater then at 100kph. But impact energy at 100kph is not survivable anyway, and is greater than at 80kph. Which in turn is greaer than at 70 etc. If you accept that the reason for a speed limit is to "reduce the mess to guaranteed survival level", then the speed limit has to be about 10kph.

This is of course absurd, and no-one (I hope) is silly enough to seriously sugest it.

So the reality is that the speed limit is a trade off. On the one hand , greater risk of injury. On the other the practicality of life, wasted time, cost etc etc.

One can perfectly well argue that 100kph is the appropriate tradeoff point. But one can equally well argue that 80kph is the appropriate tradeoff point. Myrtle would probably argue that 40kph is the appropriate tradeoff point.

With complete validity, one could also argue that 120kph is the appropriate trade off point. 120kph is as valid an opinion as 100, or 80.

200kph would probbaly be considered as unrealistic as 40, but different people can have equally valid opinions for a wide range of tradeoff points between the extremes.

Which is also why I think the "no discretion" position of the HP is wrong

[RDJ]

Admitting you do 110 (which is already breaking the legal limit) and blagging someone that got pinged for 160. That means you have already ignored the legal limit and so physics aside are we are just talking about a sliding scale of comfort and illegality... Cheers

Too true. Once we go over the speed limit we really can no longer throw stones at other speeders... and on a bike the likelihood of collateral damage is far less than in a cage. Not to support speeding builtup areas / blind corners etc. but speeding is less of an absolute offence than some people may think.

As they say (and no offense to anyone with a drinking problem) "An alcoholic is a man who drinks more than his doctor" - so "you're speeding whenever you're going faster than me".

JMO...

[outlawtorn]

If you come from sa you should be use to speeding......

Why? Don't generalise that all people from SA are used to speeding.

Gee OUtlawtorn really knows how to bait a thread.
Here's my 2 cents.
Outlawtorn will soon either :
No longer ride bikes, (the first time he falls off)
Be dead at the side of the road.

Thanks for your vote of confidence, with bikers around like you no wonder most bikers have a reputation of being pricks.

Oh yeah, and you're a big effen pussy as well. Enjoy your threesome, and dont forget to register them every year.

Once again thank you for coming up with a constructive point to this discussion. If you are ever lying on the side of the road and on fire, please remind me to piss on you.

Personaly thinking back to my younger/stupider days im kinda agreeing with a few of you guys, but literally having to pick whats left of knee joints and other body parts off roads after high speed 'accidents' has certainly changed my mind.

Everyone thinks that they are safe travelling at high speed, because of course we are all the worlds best drivers.

However since having a family i view the roads as having a purpose of travelling to my destination and back again with our lives stilll intact.

You may wanna travel at 160kmh + but the simple fact remains that your chance of having an accident or failing to avoid one, increases at an incredible rate the faster you go

As far as im concerned people who purposely put others lives at risk by travelling at excessive speed are nothing more than scum. Get your jollys or your kicks from doing something that doesn't have an effect on other people,

If you hit me or my family cos your riding like a cock theres definately gonna be an 'accident'....

Finally someone who can actually see both sides of the story too.

What I gather from all the shit I have taken in this thread is that there are some bikers who believe speed doesn't kill, that's fine by me, speed by yourself and stay the fuck away from me and my family/friends and anyone else for that matter.
And there are some bikers who believe that there is nothing wrong with sticking to the speed limit and aboeying the rules of the road.

So I can see both points of view but I choose to not speed, so please children, enough of the insults and wishing my death etc etc.

I still somehow feel I'll get flack no matter what I say from no on....

[scumdog]

Dont waste your breath knocking bikers who hit 160kph on a long straight streatch of road with only one other car on it, casue your gonna need as much air as you can get pushin your family around.

Of course the rider doing 160kph just "knew" that there was absolutely NO other cars/bikes/stock etc in the area or likely to suddenly 'appear' and to 'impede' his/her progress?

[speedpro]

Of course the rider doing 160kph just "knew" that there was absolutely NO other cars/bikes/stock etc in the area or likely to suddenly 'appear' and to 'impede' his/her progress?

30 years riding and that's been the case so far. The only impediment to progress was a single car on a long straight otherwise deserted road on a nice sunny day who did a right turn just as I was overtaking. I was doing about 110Kmh, I'd slowed down to overtake the car, headlight on, and indicating. If I'd kept the speed up I would have been past before 'she' turned.

[Funkyfly]

Finally someone who can actually see both sides of the story too.

What I gather from all the shit I have taken in this thread is that there are some bikers who believe speed doesn't kill, that's fine by me, speed by yourself and stay the fuck away from me and my family/friends and anyone else for that matter.
And there are some bikers who believe that there is nothing wrong with sticking to the speed limit and aboeying the rules of the road.

So I can see both points of view but I choose to not speed, so please children, enough of the insults and wishing my death etc etc.

I still somehow feel I'll get flack no matter what I say from no on....

Dude most people here can see both sides, heck you really think your so much better, or experienced than most here to be the only one? Your statements indicate this, intentional or not.

In fact i would say its your lack of experience on the road/on a bike that blinds your thinking, thus compelling you to make some broad statements that categorize most riders here as wanton killers.

your fresh around these parts, if you dont want to invoke the wrath of the group open your eyes and realise there are riders here that have been around the block a couple of times, have familes also, and have seen first hand crashes.

If you still think you are some kind of special rider that makes the world a better place just keep it to yourself.

Better to be thought an idiot than opening your mouth and proving it.

[Funkyfly]

Of course the rider doing 160kph just "knew" that there was absolutely NO other cars/bikes/stock etc in the area or likely to suddenly 'appear' and to 'impede' his/her progress?

I read your reply then read your signature "life is not a rehearsal" , it made me laugh.

If you want to enjoy yourself riding you cant spend the entire time wondering what if? or trying to rehearse every possible little outcome!

Hell a jet could fall out of the sky, the only way to "know" one isnt is to keep looking up, but then you cant see the road.

no one "knows" anything, therefore you shouldnt have had driven to work this morning, a drunk could be driving home and hit you! after all you never know!

I suggest you change your sig.

[outlawtorn]

Obviously I must keep my opinions to myself then? Damn I wish I had known! How dare I say something from my point of view!

Dude most people here can see both sides, heck you really think your so much better, or experienced than most here to be the only one? Your statements indicate this, intentional or not.

In fact i would say its your lack of experience on the road/on a bike that blinds your thinking, thus compelling you to make some broad statements that categorize most riders here as wanton killers.

your fresh around these parts, if you dont want to invoke the wrath of the group open your eyes and realise there are riders here that have been around the block a couple of times, have familes also, and have seen first hand crashes.

If you still think you are some kind of special rider that makes the world a better place just keep it to yourself.

Better to be thought an idiot than opening your mouth and proving it.

I don't think I am any better than anyone in this group and I know I still have a lot to learn, but my experience draws from driving in cars and riding bikes.

If I am an idiot for opening my mouth and expressing my views then so be it, but I will always say what I feel, wrath of the group/certain individuals or not.