There's no hope

**James Deuce** · 29th March 2005, 13:13

http://www.tpk.govt.nz/

**Hitcher** · 29th March 2005, 13:14

Kia ora, bro...

**Ixion** · 29th March 2005, 13:16

Originally Posted by Motu

...um,it's how I taught myself to ride and drive.I got pushed down the road on my Bantam and didn't stop till I ran out of gas,lucky it didn't have much in it,those things could run for a week on a tank full)

:roars with laughter:. EXACTLY how I learnt to ride my first bike, a bantam. Pushed it to the top of the hill outside our house, got on and away down the hill. My mate running along side yelling "change gear change gear - blip the throttle blip the throttle - shit slow down" . Bugger about the bend . Luckily the house on the outside of the bend didn't have a front fence, just straight up the kerb and off on the grass.

Lesson #2. How to stop.

Not to worry even if you did have a full tank, pretty certain to stop before long with a plug whisker

(Wonder how many of the peeps here know what a plug whisker is ? Let alone have ever had one )

**Lou Girardin** · 29th March 2005, 13:18

Originally Posted by outlawtorn

My heart goes out to the family of the kids who died, it is a tragedy to die at such as young age.

Once again this begs the question "If bikers have to sit through a graduation system for bikes, then so should kids in cars".

Tragic man....

Harry Duynhoven was asked this on TV this morning. Apparently it's too hard. The little darlings may have to use Mummy and Daddy's car so power/capacity restrictions are too onerous.

He did say they're looking at compulsory 3rd party insurance which will partly solve the problem. IF the Police enforce it.

NC · 29th March 2005, 13:23

The driver had admitted on national radio that he drives while disqualified, he got given a ticket for 160kms I think it was.

Just sick.

**jrandom** · 29th March 2005, 13:30

Originally Posted by Ixion

And even a "Mum's car" nowadays can probably hit 160+ kph.

My theoretical calculations carried out while sitting motionless beside a parked ambulance on the shoulder of a closed private road indicate that Mrs Random's '95 Camry will pull an indicated 200. More modern and more expensive Japanese toddlermobiles will undoubtedly get there faster than it does, too.

Originally Posted by Ixion

Whats the top speed of a 250cc sports bike? Over 200kph I think.

Yes, I believe an RS250 will reach 230-ish. Your stock spotty-teenager-next-door's CBR250RR will pull to within a whisker of 200 if the speedo restrictor is removed.

Originally Posted by Ixion

So the bike learner can still legally go out on a 200+ kph machine.

Indeed. The idea behind the UK's 125cc->33bhp->unrestricted graduated system is superior. Of course, DAS has made it a bit pointless.

**Lilmsrocker** · 29th March 2005, 13:35

Very interesting program in the United States Court sytem......for people who get arrested for drunk driving.......for kids who violate driving and speeding laws.....and I believe for people arrested on Domestic Violence too........is that as a part of their community service hours that they have to do they have to do an IMPACT AWARENESS class and put in so many hours towards their community service at the CITY MORGUE!........WOW!.....If that does not WAKE a PERSON the hell up..I dunno what will?.........And the Program works SWEET......As it was intended to.....Most who go through it..... DO NOT REPEAT THEIR OFFENCE.

**jrandom** · 29th March 2005, 13:38

Originally Posted by Lilmsrocker

Very interesting program in the United States Court sytem......for people who get arrested for drunk driving.......for kids who violate driving and speeding laws.....and I believe for people arrested on Domestic Violence too........is that as a part of their community service hours that they have to do they have to do an IMPACT AWARENESS class and put in so many hours towards their community service at the CITY MORGUE!........WOW!.....If that does not WAKE a PERSON the hell up..I dunno what will?.........And the Program works SWEET......As it was intended to.....Most who go through it..... DO NOT REPEAT THEIR OFFENCE.

I like that idea. My father-in-law has been cautious and uneasy about riding ever since he worked a stint at a funeral parlour many years back and saw a couple of dead bikers come through. It would be the perfect tonic for your average moronic teenage rider.

On another note, I'm wondering whether we should forcibly change your forum handle to 'ellipsisgirl'.

**vifferman** · 29th March 2005, 14:00

Originally Posted by jrandom

On another note, I'm wondering whether we should forcibly change your forum handle to 'ellipsisgirl'.

Yeah, the posts are rather dotty. (I was going to go '.....' there, as is my wont, but I'm feeling somewhat disinclined to do so now. I shall endeavour to keep my elliptical posts minimised.)

**Lou Girardin** · 29th March 2005, 14:54

Originally Posted by Ixion

The poroblem with this is that so many youngsters learn to drive (ie practice, once they have their learners) in the "family car". Even if they take driving school lessons they still do "extra time" in the family vehicle

So they would be limited to "Driving school only" time, which is undesireable. There are advantages to learners being able to put in a lot of time practicing (under supervision), more time than most could afford at a driving school.

With bikes it's different because you can assume that a learner biker will need to buy his/her own bike - not so with cars.

And even a "Mum's car" nowadays can probably hit 160+ kph.

Realistically anyway, does the graduated system on bikes serve any purpose ? Whats the top speed of a 250cc sports bike? Over 200kph I think.

So the bike learner can still legally go out on a 200+ kph machine. (Only supposed to do 70 on a L plate , but if they're going to speed anyway that's pretty irrelevant)

Mum and Dad teachers are part of our problem, passing on poor skills.
The problem is not so much with a cars top speed, but with how rapidly it gets there.
The graduated licence system has saved a great many lives, but 250 power outputs are far ahead of what the MOT beaurocrats dreamt of when they initiated the scheme. Power limits or power/weight limits are more sensible.

**Hitcher** · 29th March 2005, 14:57

Originally Posted by vifferman

as is my wont

Your wont? And here's me thinking you were a fant of knowledge and wisdom...

**vifferman** · 29th March 2005, 15:02

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Your wont? And here's me thinking you were a fant of knowledge and wisdom...

Yeah, my wont.

wont

( P ) Pronunciation Key (wônt, w

nt, w

nt)
adj.

Accustomed or used: “The poor man is wont to complain that this is a cold world” (Henry David Thoreau).
Likely: chaotic as holidays are wont to be.

n.

Customary practice; usage. See Synonyms at habit.

v. wont, or wont·ed wont·ing, wonts
v. tr.

To make accustomed to.

v. intr.

To be in the habit of doing something.

[Middle English, past participle of wonen, to be used to, dwell. See won¹.]

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But in any case, I'm neither knowledgeable nor wise; I just make shit up.

**Hitcher** · 29th March 2005, 15:11

Apogolies. I think the shock of seeing the words "your wont" devoid of apostrophes threw me completely.

**Sniper** · 29th March 2005, 15:18

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Apogolies. I think the shock of seeing the words "your wont" devoid of apostrophes threw me completely.

As does any misspelt word that should be correct for the reasons of upholding grammer correctness.

**vifferman** · 29th March 2005, 15:25

Originally Posted by Sniper_CBR

As does any misspelt word that should be correct for the reasons of upholding grammer correctness.

I'm not touching that one.
See if one of the voices in your wife's head can help you with grammatical and lexical correctitudinality.

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