Instilling a sense of conscience.

[Mikkel]

at 200kph id be pretty close to being behind the fairing anyway, be easy and quickest to tuck fully behind the fairing, safe as.

Depends upon the type of hawk I suppose... if it was a Black Hawk then I'd probably chicken out!

[bogan]

Depends upon the type of hawk I suppose... if it was a Black Hawk then I'd probably chicken out!

good point, though even worse would be a black bird, those things can get some pace up!

[The Stranger:Me]

I'm regularly disturbed by the number of times I have read on here "Meh, life's full of risks. If you don't want to expose yourself to risks then stay in bed".

All very well to a point but at what point does that idea cross the line?

Imagine this - a motorcyclist decides to go for a good hard fang in order to satisfy their need for an adrenalin fix. They misjudge a corner and plow head on into another motorcycle killing the other rider.

Do we say "Ah well, life's full of risks. Bad luck for the other motorcyclist" or do we say "You stupid prick, what right do you have to take an innocent life?"

If someone posts a video of themselves riding in a reckless manner out on public roads should we say "Awesome video dude" or should we say "What the fuck are you doing imposing risks on other people?"

That's life - or death.
Every time you go out on the road you risk death. As I noted in another thread, a GN250 got taken out by a 4x4 running a red. Not a lot of speed involved.
Shit happens, The only answer if you don't want it to happen to you is to stay home.
There are numerous car forums you could join to help inform them of the dangers of running reds.
Do us all a favour and sort that one out for us will ya?

[Katman]

That's life - or death.
Every time you go out on the road you risk death.

Come on Noel, you're brighter than that.

I'm specifically talking about putting other people's lives at risk through our irresponsible behaviour. Surely you don't think that's acceptable.

[bogan]

Come on Noel, you're brighter than that.

I'm specifically talking about putting other people's lives at risk through our irresponsible behaviour. Surely you don't think that's acceptable.

theres different levels of risk, different people have different ideas on what is acceptable behaviour. To put another rider at significant risk, must mean the rider themself is also demed to be at risk. I dont know of any rider that routinely rides on the road in a manner they feel is of unacceptable risk.

It sounds like what you are trying to do is force your own ideas of whats an acceptable risk and behaviour onto other people, you would probly have better luck with a less abrasive stratergy.

[Katman]

you would probly have better luck with a less abrasive stratergy.

I never rely on luck.

[bogan]

I never rely on luck.

whooosh...

that was the sound of a perfectly good piece of advice going over katmans head

[Katman]

whooosh...

that was the sound of a perfectly good piece of advice going over katmans head

Really?

I thought it was the sound of the wind blowing through your ears.

[The Stranger:Me]

Come on Noel, you're brighter than that.

I'm specifically talking about putting other people's lives at risk through our irresponsible behaviour. Surely you don't think that's acceptable.

Come on Katman, you're brighter than that.

I'm specifically talking about putting other people's lives at risk through our irresponsible behaviour. Surely you you don't think that's acceptable.

Or are you suggesting running reds is responsible?

[Drew]

theres different levels of risk, different people have different ideas on what is acceptable behaviour. To put another rider at significant risk, must mean the rider themself is also demed to be at risk. I dont know of any rider that routinely rides on the road in a manner they feel is of unacceptable risk.

It sounds like what you are trying to do is force your own ideas of whats an acceptable risk and behaviour onto other people, you would probly have better luck with a less abrasive stratergy.

Spot on. Best post in the thread.

[Katman]

Come on Katman, you're brighter than that.

I'm specifically talking about putting other people's lives at risk through our irresponsible behaviour. Surely you you don't think that's acceptable.

Or are you suggesting running reds is responsible?

So cars running reds is the same as bikes using the road as a racetrack?

[beyond]

i would just hit the fucker, hide behind the fairing

That's the idea mate Except I have no fairing so I would just have to dodge it and tuck in behind the dials.

Oh.... just a thought. I ride and drive pissed all the time.


Pissed off at all the other morons out there who can't drive properly, don't know what indicators are for, brake hard or swerve to miss a furry bunny or errant possum, drive on your side of the road while they change a CD, try to play chicken with you while they are texting, run up your arse while doing their makeup, reading a map or even a book as has happened to me.

Yep, you're right yet again. Riding a motorbike is just downright bloody dangerous.... ban them I say!

[Drew]

So cars running reds is the same as bikes using the road as a racetrack?

BEt ya it kills more bikers, than other bikers collecting them.

[The Stranger:Me]

So cars running reds is the same as bikes using the road as a racetrack?

Ah this is a trick question right.
But I will lay money (actually I won't as that's a pretty childish way to try and make an argument and is just a figure of speech) that more "other people" are killed or injured through red light runners than your example of bike-bike head ons.

We are, as I understand it, talking specifically here about taking another life.
There are far bigger problems with people taking other lives on the road than bikes travelling at excess speed.
You are in that regard trying to solve what is essentially a non existent problem. Well done, it's now solved, time to move on.

If you truly do want to make a difference and are not just grandstanding again, tackle the real issues, you could start with red light runners and cell phones.

[Katman]

If you truly do want to make a difference and are not just grandstanding again, tackle the real issues, you could start with red light runners and cell phones.

You tackle what you think is the important issues Noel.

I'm sure there's enough needy causes to go around.